[techtalk] re: Where's your favorite place to get software?
i would highly suggest NOT buying software and getting it online . . . well, that's how i do it . . . go to www.freshmeat.net, www.linuxberg.com, do a search for software, it's absolutely amazing what you can find out there. i can recommend something for just about anything you might need! whooh!!! okay, i get a little enthusiastic and i also get a wee bit irritated at the whole distribution scene right now . . . way too microsofty . . . of course, i could be opening a whole can o' worms here . . . my point is, if you are poor (like me) then go get the software online! = what's the matter with me? i'm gay, i'm loveable, i've got nice teeth . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] hi, I'm brand spanking new
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 10:08:42PM -0700 or thereabouts, jboudell wrote: > Hi, > found linuxchix.org while surfing... Cool. Welcome :) > I'm an utter linux almost newborn. I've been using Winblows forever and > have recently decided to give Linux a try. This weekend I'd like to > install Red Hat on my Compaq Presario 5240. I have a new HP that I'm > keeping Winblows on due to my dependence on the applications that run on > the M$ platform. I picked up a copy of SE Using Red Hat Linux that > includes version 6.2. Tonight I've been looking up my hardware on the > compatibility list at Red Hat. Of course I can't find everything > listed, but I figured I'd try and install it anyway and see what > happens. :) > Can anyone give me some advice? I'm reading the manual, but we all know > that untold surprises await me. right? 6.2 was a good version of Red Hat, I think. Things to watch in the installation. Hmm. Random gotchas (horribly biassed in favour of "X gives me problems therefore it gives everyone problems" and similar things :) for RH and 6.2: Because I always manage to have at least one piece of hardware that it gets confused about, I always end up doing the text-mode install, and because I like to pick and choose, I have to go for the 'expert' one. So some of what I have here may not be applicable: I don't know how much the different installs vary. It asked me for my computer's name-to-be (easy), and then the IP address (not so easy -- I had to run upstairs and find my husband to find out what numbers I could use). When it knows the IP address, it makes an intelligent guess at netmask and broadcast addresses, at which point I gibbered. (wot's them? etc.) You should be able to accept the intelligent guess if you meet this. The graphical stuff in Linux is provided by X, (X Windows system) and you will certainly want to use that, with either KDE or GNOME on top of it because they're pretty, integrated, and have handy tools. But from my experience, when you are asked whether you want the computer always to boot straight into X: say no. You can change this later if X turns out to be happy. (To get X to start, you login and type, "startx"). Others will probably disagree with me. But I almost always have trouble configuring X, and starting from the command line and being able to get back there if things mess up is, to me, easier. If you get the choice between "disk druid" and "fdisk", pick "disk druid". fdisk is not a friendly tool on first sight. In fact, I think many of the installation options don't even offer fdisk: it's there for people who want more facilities than disk druid at the cost of being unfriendly to use. The two things that seem to be the worst headaches are setting up X correctly, and setting up PPP for the modem. You can do both of these after the installation. I don't have to worry about setting up PPP, which means take my advice with a grain of salt here. But Red Hat's PPP tool is "rp3" which is a graphical application. If it doesn't work, despite the fact that I use GNOME, I should mention the KDE tool, "kppp", which lots of people seem to recommend. (You can run it from GNOME. You can run GNOME programs in KDE, too.) I think you need to be root to use those. Red Hat have a "Using PPP" document (and others) at http://www.redhat.com/apps/support/ but I have no clue have good it is :) Setting up X can be a dream if you have hardware it recognises. I never have hardware it recognises, so I always take a deep breath before becoming root and typing "Xconfigurator". That's the Red Hat program for setting up X. It asks you about the name of your monitor, the sort of mouse you have and so on, and then tries X for you and you get to accept/reject the settings. XFree86 actually ships with another tool for setting it up: I think it's called XF86Setup or XF86Config. Come to think of it, I have never tried this. But I am told that there is a command you type at the command line, which is simply "setup". Other things you have to do after the installation include getting your printer talking to the machine, and I think some sound configuration (sndconfig, soundcfg, some command like that). If you want the crypto things which RH is not allowed to ship outside the US, then ftp.redhat.de is your friend! openssh and other crypto things live there, and whilst all the Europeans seem to know it, I've discovered most of the US folks just think "there is nowhere to get these rather important apps". Get them, rpm -K and check the key (good habit to get into) and install them if they pass. A related important one. Once you have installed your machine, bookmark the Red Hat site for updates and errata, and either check back there regularly, or get onto the updates mailing lists: redhat-watch or redhat-announce (you can subscribe to those at http://www.redhat.com/mailing-lists/) where fixes are announced. If you're going to connect to the net with it, you do need to care about s
[techtalk] RPMs
I was all set to install the new KDE2 and StarOffice. After getting instructions here...(very clear, btw, thank you!) I followed them to discover to my dismay the program to unpack (is that the right word) and install rpms didn't get installed during initial setup of my SuSE 6.4. So, I tried installing it...but it wouldn't do it! I'm going crazy here. The install kept telling me there were 3 packages that weren't associated (or something like that.) I recognized them from a couple of games I had attempted to install a few days ago and it said they needed. I thought they had been located and installed, but I guess not. Because of these 3 files, nothing else will install. Also, my CD-ROM drive, which hadn't given me any trouble before decided it wouldn't open while SuSE was running in KDE. I would have to exit out of KDE to open the drive. Kinda hard to change CDs to the one with the right program on it. Gr! I'm a newbie enough that this is baffling me and I don't know how to 1)get the rpms installed without reinstalling the entire program all over again, and 2)make my CD drive work again. I even tried the mount, unmount, but mounted wouldn't make it open either. Thanks for any suggestions. I doesn't help I haven't learned how to do much of anything from the command line yet. Carol ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] hi, I'm brand spanking new
> The graphical stuff in Linux is provided by X, (X Windows system) > and you will certainly want to use that, with either KDE or GNOME > on top of it because they're pretty, integrated, and have handy > tools. But from my experience, when you are asked whether you want > the computer always to boot straight into X: say no. You can change > this later if X turns out to be happy. (To get X to start, you > login and type, "startx"). Others will probably disagree with me. > But I almost always have trouble configuring X, and starting from > the command line and being able to get back there if things mess > up is, to me, easier. Just in case ther's someone here who didn't know this: if you're in X, and want to get to the console, Ctrl-Alt-F1 takes you to the first (and Alt-F2 - Alt-F6 take you to the other 5). To get back to X, you press Alt-F7. Then you can try and configure X, but if you got xdm, the hard part is killing X and getting it to restart with the nex config! You can only have one X-Server running at one time, and one of those xdm processes always restarts X, after you kill it - you have to kill that one, but I can't remember what it's called. I had a problem with a serial Microsoft Intellimouse: worked fine during install, but wouldn't work after that. I tried lots of protocols, and in the end swapped it for a PS/2 mouse - that nearly always works. But when my box is busy, my mouse does funny things... well, I'm surviving. Hope someone can use some of this... Britta -- /"\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign "Wer mit der Speckseite nach der Wurst wirft, X- NO HTML/RTF in e-mailmuss sich nicht wundern, wenn sie dem Fass / \ - NO Word docs in e-mail die Krone ins Gesicht schlägt." ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] RPMs
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 06:01:51AM -0500, WolfRyder wrote: > I was all set to install the new KDE2 and StarOffice. After getting > instructions here...(very clear, btw, thank you!) I followed them to > discover to my dismay the program to unpack (is that the right word) > and install rpms didn't get installed during initial setup of my SuSE > 6.4. Do you mean it is saying something like "Package Foo needs package Bar"? I'm not quite sure what you mean otherwise. > So, I tried installing it...but it wouldn't do it! I'm going crazy here. > The install kept telling me there were 3 packages that weren't associated > (or something like that.) I recognized them from a couple of games I had > attempted to install a few days ago and it said they needed. I thought they > had been located and installed, but I guess not. Because of these 3 files, > nothing else will install. Can you tell us the exact messages you are getting? > Also, my CD-ROM drive, which hadn't given me any trouble before decided it > wouldn't open while SuSE was running in KDE. I would have to exit out of > KDE to open the drive. Kinda hard to change CDs to the one with the right > program on it. Gr! I'll leave this one for the KDE experts, but I'd guess that something like a file manager has decided to watch the CDROM and doesn't want you just randomly changing CDs. If you type 'mount' in a terminal window, does it show the cdrom is mounted when you are in KDE? Cheers, Malcolm -- Malcolm Tredinnickemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CommSecure Pty Ltd PGP signature
Re: [techtalk] !@#$#$YT emachines and XF86
Do you have the gpm working in console? Beverly On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, alissa bader wrote: > okay, I have in front of me an emachines box. I > decided to put Slackware 7.1 on it. Installation > itself seemed to go well. But I am running into > problems when trying to configure xwindows. I'm using > the XF86Setup utility and I swear to god, I can't get > the mouse to work. I have tried all of the different > mouse protocols, as many device names as I could and > still the mouse is not recognized. > > Now I also have an internal modem in that machine (a > pcmia win modem, which means more fun for me later, i > hear) and i wonder if it's possible that there's a > conflict with the COM ports there. > > anyone run into a similar problem like this? I swear > to god, I have configured XF86 on many many *nix > platforms before and never have I come across > something like this. > > thanks in advance for all your help! > > --alissa > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.home.com/bguill ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] insmod, RH62 SMP
I'm having some trouble building a device driver on a RH62 SMP box and getting it to load. Apparently the symbols are named differently under SMP. I had seen a recommendation somewhere to use the kernel source tree makefiles to build the device driver, so I tried that, but it didn't help. (Perhaps this is because I never bothered to build my own kernel, just took the SMP kernel that came up automatically during the installation.) I think I have three options: (1) Reinstall RH62 with a non-SMP kernel. (2) Build and install a non-SMP kernel so I don't need any tricky makefiles. (3) Build and install a SMP kernel so that that makefiles in my /usr/src/linux area are properly configured for SMP, and I can borrow them to build the device driver. I don't really need the performance of two processors, so if my reasoning thusfar is reasonable, the easiest and least destructive thing to do is option 2. So I guess my question is, is my reasoning thusfar reasonable? Thanks for any insights. # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - # Resistance is futile. Capacitance is efficacious. # Will Ware email:wware @ world.std.com ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] re: Where's your favorite place to get software?
pheret werks: > i would highly suggest NOT buying software and getting it online . . . > well, that's how i do it . . . go to www.freshmeat.net, > www.linuxberg.com, do a search for software, it's absolutely amazing > what you can find out there. i can recommend something for just about > anything you might need! whooh!!! > > okay, i get a little enthusiastic and i also get a wee bit irritated at > the whole distribution scene right now . . . way too microsofty . . . of > course, i could be opening a whole can o' worms here . . . Programmers need food, too. > my point is, if you are poor (like me) then go get the software online! Of course. But any company or more wealthy person should buy a version of the distribution/program or give a donation to the folks developing them, in order to ensure they are able to continue the development. You may get good software also if the programmer works fulltime for a company and develop his/her own piece of software (that you use) in the weekends, but it's less likely compared to if the programmer can dedicate more time to the project. Free software isn't necessarily free as in "free beer". Magni :) -- ulimit is good for you. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Scrolling in xterm
My xterm is version 4.0.1b(104). I have the scrollbar showing up on the left side of my window. I am not able to interactively use the mouse to scroll back in the window. A mouse click in the scroll bar will position the view in the scroll buffer. How can I use the mouse button to move interactively through the scroll buffer (as in gnome-terminal). I have looked at the Xresourses but nothing was obvious about the mouse key bindings. Is this something more specific to the window manager or is isolated to the xresources file? Thank you in advance. Subba Rao [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= http://www.smcinnovations.com ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] insmod, RH62 SMP
Hi, How did you build your module? I think that you need to define "SMP" to compile a module for SMP-enabled kernel. If you look at some source, there are "#ifdef"s for SMP. I believe that you can define it as compiler option like "gcc -DSMP foo.c" HTH, :eito On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 09:30:56AM -0400, Will Ware wrote: > I'm having some trouble building a device driver on a RH62 SMP box and > getting it to load. Apparently the symbols are named differently under > SMP. I had seen a recommendation somewhere to use the kernel source > tree makefiles to build the device driver, so I tried that, but it > didn't help. (Perhaps this is because I never bothered to build my own > kernel, just took the SMP kernel that came up automatically during the > installation.) > > I think I have three options: (1) Reinstall RH62 with a non-SMP kernel. > (2) Build and install a non-SMP kernel so I don't need any tricky > makefiles. (3) Build and install a SMP kernel so that that makefiles > in my /usr/src/linux area are properly configured for SMP, and I can > borrow them to build the device driver. I don't really need the > performance of two processors, so if my reasoning thusfar is reasonable, > the easiest and least destructive thing to do is option 2. So I guess > my question is, is my reasoning thusfar reasonable? Thanks for any > insights. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] (no subject)
confirm 297864 = And now for something really spectacular...? __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] !@#$#$YT emachines and XF86
did at first, ,then i killed it and tried running XF86Setup and xf86config. Still no luck on the mouse. And yanked out the winmodem too. --alissa --- Beverly Guillermo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you have the gpm working in console? > > Beverly __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] [rms@gnu.org: Using the GNU FDL]
--- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) --- From: Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Using the GNU FDL Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 02:22:51 -0400 If you know someone who is writing a manual about free software, and looking towards commercial publication, you have a chance to help the Free Software Movement a great deal with a small amount of work: by suggesting the idea of publishing the manual under the GNU Free Documentation License. Until recently, commercial book publication almost always implied a non-free book. But just as free commercial software has been increasing for a while, now free commercial documentation is starting to take off as well. Some of the major commercial publishers of documentation about the GNU/Linux system, and about free software in general, are now willing to publish books under the GNU FDL, and pay the authors in the usual way--IF the authors are firm about this. But publishers are likely to first propose an ordinary proprietary book. And if the authors agree, that's what it will be. So it is essential for authors to take the lead; to say, "We want to use the GNU FDL for this book". So when your friend mentions writing a manual, you can influence the course of events simply by pointing out this possibility. If a publisher rejects the request at first, the GNU Project may be able to help the authors prevail. They can contact us at <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. There are other legitimate free documentation licenses, but sometimes using them requires care. For example, one license is equipped with two optional clauses that can be enabled; the license is free if neither optional clause is used, but enabling either of them makes the book non-free. (See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html.) Authors that want to publish free documentation, but using a license other than the GNU FDL, can contact us so we can check that the license really qualifies for free documentation. When a commercial manual is free and relates to the GNU system, the GNU Project can recommend it to the public. So if the authors or publisher set up a web page to describe it and/or sell copies, we can make a link to that page from www.gnu.org, provided the page meets our usual criteria (for instance, it should not link to other pages about non-free software or documentation, and should not be obnoxious about trying to persuade people to buy). Please inform <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> about such pages. --- end --- ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Scrolling in xterm
On Sat, Aug 19, 2000 at 01:20:54PM +, Subba Rao wrote: > My xterm is version 4.0.1b(104). I have the scrollbar showing up on > the left side of my window. I am not able to interactively use the > mouse to scroll back in the window. A mouse click in the scroll bar > will position the view in the scroll buffer. How can I use the mouse > button to move interactively through the scroll buffer (as in > gnome-terminal). Do you mean that when you left-click (button 1) in the scrollbar, it moves down one screen and when you right-click (button 3), it moves up? If that is the case, then middle-click (button 2) moves to where the pointer is in the scrollbar. You can use this (button 2) to mvoe about dynamically by holding down the button and dragging the mouse up and down. Cheers, Malcolm -- Malcolm Tredinnickemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CommSecure Pty Ltd PGP signature
[techtalk] Sum up of Apache problems
This problem is similar to the problem I had with proftpd on the same box. When my Windows/Mandrake box I cannot access any site on my Debian box when in Windows. The boxes CAN ping each other. From the Debian box I can access itself through either the local host address (127.0.0.1) or the assigned IP, 192.168.0.3. However, I can FTP and SSH in and when my Windows/Mandrake box is running Mandrake, I CAN access any website on the Debian box. Another quandry in this is if I type "apachectl status", I get the following error: Error: - Can't connect to host localhost on port 80. Error code 10061. - - Kathleen the Confused P.S. I checked already to see if it was the same problem that proftpd has (hostname lookups) and that is disabled in httpd.conf.
Re: [techtalk] Sum up of Apache problems (Ok, I am officially STUPID)
I figured out my problem. I had specified to use my ISP's proxy server in Internet Explorer and did not tell it to not use a proxy for my internal network. DUH KATHLEEN!!! - Kathleen - Original Message - From: Kath To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 9:33 PM Subject: [techtalk] Sum up of Apache problems This problem is similar to the problem I had with proftpd on the same box. When my Windows/Mandrake box I cannot access any site on my Debian box when in Windows. The boxes CAN ping each other. From the Debian box I can access itself through either the local host address (127.0.0.1) or the assigned IP, 192.168.0.3. However, I can FTP and SSH in and when my Windows/Mandrake box is running Mandrake, I CAN access any website on the Debian box. Another quandry in this is if I type "apachectl status", I get the following error: Error: - Can't connect to host localhost on port 80. Error code 10061. - - Kathleen the Confused P.S. I checked already to see if it was the same problem that proftpd has (hostname lookups) and that is disabled in httpd.conf.
Re: [techtalk] Where's your favorite place to get software?
jennyw wrote: > I'm just amazed at the number of places you can get Linux CDs at these days. > Anyone care to recommend a favorite place? > > It seems that the various sites have vastly different pricing schemes for > the various distributions. I'm kind of on the cheap side myself, but would > like to know what the difference is (e.g. Cheap*Bytes has Debian 2.2 binary > (3 CDs) for 6.99; it's 29.95 at Linux-CD). > > Thanks! > > Jen > You can get a lot of Linux images right here: http://www.linuxiso.org/ But I would recommend at least DSL or cable modem connection for downloading :-) Agata ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Re: [grrltalk] AOL for Linux
AOL is evil and must be stopped -Original Message- From: Shawn Ann Griffith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 19 August 2000 00:53 Subject: [grrltalk] AOL for Linux >Sorry, but I wasn't sure which mailing list to send this to, so I sent it to all 4 of them. Someone within the last few weeks was asking about using AOL for Linux and my husband gave me this url for me to post. Hope it helps the person(s) who were wondering. > >http://www.techpages.com/linux.htm > >Shawn Ann > >_ >Visit http://www.shawnann.com and don't forget to sign the guestbook. > > >___ >grrltalk mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/grrltalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
