Re: [techtalk] KDE / OpenSource
On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:44:14 -0400, Dan Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I understand, but I'm from the "throw the little kid into the pool" >if they sink jump in and rescue them, if the float great. :) That doesn't work when you're talking about a business client who doesn't care about learning anything; he just wants it to work. Kelly ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Problems booting from RAID
Hi, I decided to set up a completely RAID-based system using two identical IDE hard disks, each with 3 partitions (boot, swap and data). The setup is hda1 and hdc1 = 800Mb boot hda2 and hdc2 = 128Mb swap hda3 and hdc3 = 3Gb data I'm using kernel 2.4.0-test5 with Ingo's 'dangerous' raidtools and have successfully managed to get the data partitions running in RAID-1 as /dev/md2. Great :) But I am having appalling problems in getting the machine to boot from RAID! I've been through the Software-RAID-HOWTO so many times I can almost recite it, but still things aren't going as they should. Does anyone have any pointers as to where I'm going wrong? At the moment, all six paritions are set in 'cfdisk' to type 'fd'. What should I put in lilo.conf, etc. ? Any help / common problems would be most appreciated because this thing is driving me crazy! Kind regards, Jane ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] KDE / OpenSource
On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:12:07 -0400 , "Fan, Laurel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Maybe so. But another issue is that KDE has incorporated a lot of >non-KDE-written GPL'd code, without asking the authors if it was ok >to link their code with Qt. In essence, forcing their controversial >interpretation of the GPL on other peoples' "products". There was a rather loud screechfest back when Mattias showcased "Kimp": a very cheap hack of imbedding GIMP within a KDE wrapper. He was told, in no uncertain terms, that doing so was illegal and that he was not permitted to do so. He argued that he was allowed to on the grounds that Qt is "part of the operating system" (a position that essentially everyone outside of Troll Tech disputes), but he eventually backed down. The GIMP developers have made several overtures to KDE team members about making GIMP more compliant with KDE's environment, but those overtures have been ignored. Kelly ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] KDE / OpenSource
On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:01:01 +0200, Patricia Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >Of course not -- but as soon as you take GPLed code from KDE and >include it in your code, you agree with that it is OK that KDE is >GPLed and that there is no licencing problem. KDE can release its code under any license it chooses, including the GPL, without violating the law. The problem with Qt comes when you talk about the binaries. Source code is source code and can be distributed even if it doesn't work at all. But when you link a GPL program against some other library (other than a "major component" of the operating system), the resulting executable can only be distributed if every library to which it was linked is distributed under a license which grants the recipient of each copy of that license at least the same rights with respect to the source of that library as that recipient would have received had the library been licensed under the GPL. This inclusionary rule ONLY APPLIES to the distribution of executables. So, if you obtain a copy of KDE source under the GPL, that license is good and valid. However, it is quite probably true that KDE _executables_ are undistributable because they include Qt (or at least Qt runtime linkages, which are probably enough to violate the GPL) code. KDE's choice of license is ill-considered, not because it prevents them from distributing their source, but because it prevents them from distributing their executables. Kelly ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] *nix comparisons?
hmm, first of all, i'm sorry to flood the lists, but i just came back from the states, i was spending my honeymoon there and i was very much apart from any internet access. so i'm reading these ~600 now and answering a bit late to those i feel i have something to say to. and about the subject. i used to be a linux user very much (i was when i joined this list over a year ago) but then i started dating this guy, who's nowadays my husband and he turned me into using freebsd (he knows many of the freebsd developers and thus has been using always freebsd). and this is my perspective: first of all because i'm married to this guy, who knows like 'everything' about fbsd most of my problems are solved on it, unlike on linux. well ofcourse, i've learned much too, which also implicates that problems is more probable than before, but what ever. linux is more and more mainstream (at least here in finland, where is was originally made =) and thus it's been made more easy to use too. freebsd is still less userfriendly, which makes a kind of 'hardcore' to use it, rather than linux. well, linux is more sympathic in many ways. fbsd has this thing called ports, which makes life like zillion times easier. no looking for packets in the web, no more 'failed dependencies', no more wrong versions etc. when installing something from the ports, it installs everything you need with it and *most* of the time it's without problems. ok, it doesn't *always* work perfectly, nothing does, but yes, it has made things much easier. and updating the system has become also a whole lot more practical. debian has tried to do something a bit alike, but at least i was never as satisfied with it as with this fbsd cvsup currenting thing. linux was a bit more clear with its partition things and i think it's easier to get weird cards (fex weird soundcards) to work on linux, maybe i'm wrong. i tried to install freebsd on a free partition so that it would've dual booted with linux, but i was very unsuccesful. i think that's again because of some stupid boot manager of freebsd or something. and yet one thing that's concidered better in freebsd than linux. softupdate. softupdate increases the amount of data resotred when a power line on a computer is suddenly taken off. and it also makes the hd work faster. at least that is what they say. well anyway, this is my point of view. and yes, i still like linux! *whine* don't kick me out of the list :p sara ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Problems booting from RAID
Jane Dawson: > I decided to set up a completely RAID-based system using two identical IDE > hard disks, each with 3 partitions (boot, swap and data). > > The setup is > > hda1 and hdc1 = 800Mb boot > hda2 and hdc2 = 128Mb swap > hda3 and hdc3 = 3Gb data > > I'm using kernel 2.4.0-test5 with Ingo's 'dangerous' raidtools and have > successfully managed to get the data partitions running in RAID-1 as > /dev/md2. > > Great :) > > But I am having appalling problems in getting the machine to boot from > RAID! I've been through the Software-RAID-HOWTO so many times I can almost > recite it, but still things aren't going as they should. > > Does anyone have any pointers as to where I'm going wrong? At the moment, > all six paritions are set in 'cfdisk' to type 'fd'. What should I put in > lilo.conf, etc. ? > > Any help / common problems would be most appreciated because this thing is > driving me crazy! Could you post your lilo.conf? What version of LILO are you using? I installed RH6.2 on one IDE-disk last week, then "upgraded" to RAID-1 with another disk afterwords. I mostly followed Boot+Root+Raid-HOWTO about how to move stuff around and marking disks as failed/working etc. I then sat 'boot = /dev/md0' (which is my root-partition) in lilo.conf and then using /dev/md0 as root-partition further down in lilo.conf (if you have a separate /boot-partition, you should use that device in the "boot =" statement, and whereever your rootfilesystem is in the root-statement for the image. It is very important that you make a initrd (with mkinitrd) so the kernel know the RAID-modules if you compiled them as modules. I used mkinitrd --with=raid1 initrd-2.2.16 2.2.16 to make a suitable initrd. I then ran /sbin/lilo as usual and booted. You MUST have a new lilo-version with some patches applied (read the above HOWTO + the Software-RAID-HOWTO), but if you have RedHat 6.2 (or a similar system where RH6.2-RPMs can be used, I guess) the patches are already applied (the kernel also contains RAID-patches). This is LILO version 21. Magni :) -- ulimit is good for you. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] BASH command return value
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:34:07 -0400, Subba Rao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >In BASH, why does the "\u" and "whoami" make a big difference for the >$? value in PS1 string? The BASH version is 2.04. Because 'whoami' is a command, and running it resets $?. \u just looks up the username internally. Kelly ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] problems upgrading to gnome 1.2 and enlightenment 0.16.4
Well, you know what they say: If you think something's foolproof you've got to remember not to underestimate the ingenuity of the common fool... I have installed rpms from the command line before but not very often so I wasn't familiar with the options you can use which you don't in gnorpm etc.. In particular being able to query 'imlib' to get the version back rather than in gnorpm finding imlib-0.98 rpm or whatever, querying that and getting '0.98' which doesn't tell anything you didn't know already (least I'm assuming you can't do this - I didn't see an option anywhere). Anyways it's all working now, need to get my eterm and EFM installed so I can stop using the gnome tools (not a flamewar comment btw, I just want to get everything looking the same). Interestingly everything seems to be running a lot quicker although I can't say how much of this is the new version of enlightenment or the fact that I've upgraded to Xfree86 4.0 and have stopped running gnome at the same time as enlightenment - bit of a duplication of effort. Thanks again, Colin. >From: Malcolm Tredinnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [techtalk] problems upgrading to gnome 1.2 and enlightenment >0.16.4 >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:21:43 +1000 > >On Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 07:31:44AM -0700, colin parr wrote: > > Right on both counts! I was doing the install thru gnorpm and was >messing > > it up royally, the dot files bit was needed too. > >Oh dear! I would have thought (hoped?) it was harder to mess up the rpm >database >using gnorpm than using the command line. I didn't even think of mentioning >it >in my previous post because I tend to always use the command line for >installing stuff, but had I thought of it, I would have recommended you use >it. >Disappointing to know you can still mess up a sane installation with it. > >Cheers, >Malcolm > >-- >Malcolm Tredinnickemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >CommSecure Pty Ltd ><< attach3 >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] *nix comparisons?
On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, sara ruohotie wrote: > i used to be a linux user very much (i was when i joined this list over a > year ago) but then i started dating this guy, who's nowadays my husband > and he turned me into using freebsd (he knows many of the freebsd > developers and thus has been using always freebsd). and this is my > perspective: > > first of all because i'm married to this guy, who knows like 'everything' > about fbsd most of my problems are solved on it, unlike on linux. What we advise people is to "go with what you know". If you don't know anything, we suggest you pick one and stick to it. It helps if you pick something that folks around you are using as it will be easier to find help. In my case, my husband of nearly a decade started by patching the 0.11 kernel (to run on his bastard Tandy), so we're a Linux family. I am *so* happy to find this list as it gives me someplace to ask questions where he doesn't think I'm doing an end-run around him. (Is this a guy thing? I mean, if I ask someone else for advice on crocking an arm-roast, it's no big deal, but if he discovers I've asked someone else about something remotely technical, he's all bothered because he sees it as an indication that I think he's incompetent. Feh!) -- J-Mag Guthrie WWTD? ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] Debianaut Loses WindowMaker Menus!
On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, Nicole Zimmerman wrote: > Are you using the debian menu utility or do you build your own from > scratch? I will have to dig up the name of the package but the utility > makes it so your window manager's application menu is always up to date > with what's installed (every time I install a new package it updates > itself and rebuilds the menu). > do a dpkg -s to see if you have it installed, if so, try update-menus This didn't work. I can be more specific about what I get now. I get an empty menu (just a title that says "Applications"). I killed it again. > If not, I'd try the wmakerconf/wmprefs way of copying over a default menu > and then maybe restarting. Yup, this is my next step, as it were. - J-Mag WWTD? ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] Trying to Head Off Potential Problem...
Greetings. Keith here in the Depths of the Great Bergen Swamps of WNY... Before I get into the nuts&bolts and install Linux/Mandrake 7.1, I am trying to identify stumbling blocks in the path. A BIG one may be my on-board modem. Seeing that the modem driver looks suspiciously like a WinModem I may have a Linux box that can't "talk" to anyone. The only "spare" non-WinModem I have is a US Robotics Sportster 14.4K external modem, slow but it works. I also have a Lucent-chipset WinModem, A US Robotics internal (ISA-slot) 56K modem on the office computer, A Rockwell-chipset 28.8K modem/soundcard combo (and piles of other junque...) Methinks that the internal USR card is the one I want to try, or swap computers with the office and use the all-in-one motherboard on that computer or punt... Actually, I am enjoying this! I haven't put this much though into a project in aeons! 73, Wm. Keith Hibbert, WB2VUO, Technical Coordinator, WNY Section, ARRL ARRL Life Member, President/Brockport Amateur Radio Klub Ph - 716.494.1239 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
