[techtalk] using gnome-icons ??
Hi, I'm thinking of the possibility of using the gnome-stock icons as "menubuttons" on a website. I know they are released under the gpl, but does that cover websites ? Anyone have any thougths about this ? The site will (ofcource) be linux oriented... Now, I _could_ sit down and create my own icons, but I thought that using the gnome-icons would give the visitor a feeling of recognition and familiarity (if that's the correct word for it;-) Any thoughts on how I should do are greatly appreciated, /diffuze ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] using gnome-icons ??
Hi. Under GPL, you ought to be able to use the icons, so long as you make sure to give credit where credit is due. Find out from the gnome website who's responsible for designing the icons, if you can, and give them credit. If you can't determine a specific person, give credit to the gnome projects as a whole. Also, if you modify the icons in anyway, you have to clearly state that on the website, too, along with the credit to the original creator. Finally, to really live up the to the spirit of gnu, you probably should create a nifty icon or two of your own to contribute back to the gnome project. Unfortunately, I'm sure there are people out there who would disagree with what I've said here. If there's one thing everyone is sure about, it's that everyone has a different interpretation of the GPL. :( Ingrid On Sat, 20 May 2000, Tina Johnsson wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm thinking of the possibility of using the gnome-stock icons > as "menubuttons" on a website. I know they are released under > the gpl, but does that cover websites ? Anyone have any thougths > about this ? The site will (ofcource) be linux oriented... > > Now, I _could_ sit down and create my own icons, but I thought > that using the gnome-icons would give the visitor a feeling of > recognition and familiarity (if that's the correct word for it;-) > > Any thoughts on how I should do are greatly appreciated, > > /diffuze > > > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] using gnome-icons ??
Oh, and also, put on your website that you are using the icons under the GPL! On Sat, 20 May 2000, Tina Johnsson wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm thinking of the possibility of using the gnome-stock icons > as "menubuttons" on a website. I know they are released under > the gpl, but does that cover websites ? Anyone have any thougths > about this ? The site will (ofcource) be linux oriented... > > Now, I _could_ sit down and create my own icons, but I thought > that using the gnome-icons would give the visitor a feeling of > recognition and familiarity (if that's the correct word for it;-) > > Any thoughts on how I should do are greatly appreciated, > > /diffuze > > > > > ___ > techtalk mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk > ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] a good perl book
> "Elements of programming in Perl" by Andrew Johnson is also a good
> beginners book. It takes a lot of effort to explain programming
> concepts for non-programmers, whereas Schwartz's "Learning Perl" assumes
> a fair bit of previous programming knowledge.
>
> The "camel" book, "Programming Perl", is a good reference, but
> everything in it can also be found in the online manuals ("man perl"),
> and it is somewhat out of date now. I believe a 3rd edition is due
> sometime soon, which might be more useful.
>
> "Perl in a Nutshell" might be a good desktop reference for some. Check
> it out and see what you think.
>
> K.
Thanks so much for all of the references! I certainly have a great
place to start now. Thanks also for the O'Reilley alternatives. I like
them a lot, just nice to have some other references to look at before
buying!
-Clair
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[techtalk] perl modules
Can some of you perl ppl out there point me in the right direction? I decided I would like to install a perl module I downloaded from CPAN, that for some reason did not come with my install: Apache::Debug. Once before I just stuck a .pm file to use on an ISP's server, no problem. But this, I am trying to install on my own server, and in the tarball was a file 'Makefile.PL' with this in it: --- use ExtUtils::MakeMaker; # See lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm for details of how to influence # the contents of the Makefile that is written. WriteMakefile( 'NAME' => 'Apache::DebugInfo', 'VERSION_FROM' => 'DebugInfo.pm', # finds $VERSION ); and also a 'test.pl' file with this: # Before `make install' is performed this script should be runnable with # `make test'. After `make install' it should work as `perl test.pl' # We start with some black magic to print on failure. # Change 1..1 below to 1..last_test_to_print . # (It may become useful if the test is moved to ./t subdirectory.) print "no tests...\n"; # End of black magic. # Insert your test code below (better if it prints "ok 13" # (correspondingly "not ok 13") depending on the success of chunk 13 # of the test code): Typing either make or 'make test' gives me "no target" or "nothing to do" sorts of errors, and I really don't know what I'm doing at this point - I still feel lucky to get rpm's installed. I've used 'make install' on some apps before, but not with perl stuff. I tried just taking the file DebugInfo.pm, sticking it in the dir with all the other Apache *.pm's. I made sure it had same permissions as the other ones. Then when calling it I get a "undeclared variable" error from the module itself, when using it in a script. So at least perl can find the module, right? I'm trying to use it to debug another script that isn't working, but I don't understand this Makefile stuff. Do I really need to do it? Tune in next week when I try to get DSO modules working... if you know of a complete newbies guide to installing stuff like this let me know! TIA, Lori ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] In need of ideas to solve install problems
I am a linux newbie, and I need to be able to get files from the internet to fix some problems. How do I download stuff from the command line (or can I)? How do I install a new version of Xfree86? Basically the problems I am having (among other which are keeping me from these fixes) are on the following page (although I have a slightly different model. Any suggestions are welcome. Glen http://collective.cpoint.net/unix/laptops/satellite2595xdvd/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] downloading from the command line...
I am a linux newbie, and I need to be able to get files from the internet to fix some problems. How do I download stuff from the command line (or can I)? How do I install a new version of Xfree86? Basically the problems I am having (among other which are keeping me from these fixes) are on the following page (although I have a slightly different model. Any suggestions are welcome. Glen http://collective.cpoint.net/unix/laptops/satellite2595xdvd/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] downloading from the command line...
On Sat, 20 May 2000, glen wrote: >I am a linux newbie, and I need to be able to get files from the internet >to fix some problems. How do I download stuff from the command line (or >can I)? You probably have lynx installed, which you can use to access web and ftp sites from the command line. Just type: lynx http://www.altavista.com Lynx is pretty easy to use. The up and down arrows scroll through the available links on a page. The right arrow opens a link, and the left arrow backs out. ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] A question regarding POP3 and Inet..
I was browsing the net to find help for a linux situation I was having and found linuxchix.org.. I'm a member of several other mailing lists.. But, hadn't heard a reply from them yet.. So, I thought I'd try here.. I'm not a girl, but I'm gay does that count? :) I am configuring a new Linux mail server. I have an old server that I configured in the past (sendmail, smtp, pop, etc.). I have completed absolutely everything and it's working famously.. even the DNS MX records.. But, I can't remember how I got around a POP security problem. I have installed default Red Hat Linux 6.1. Clients on the box like elm can send and receive mail. But, I have not yet told inetd that pop3 can be used from other computers on the internet.. I have changed /etc/inetd.conf and uncommented out pop3 (entry copied below): pop-3 stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpd ipop3d My associated /etc/services file has these entries: pop-3 110/tcp # POP version 3 pop-3 110/udp I restarted inetd. I even rebooted the box. But, still the client that tries to connect to port 110 (pop3) fails with error number 0x800CCC0F. I used 'netstat -a | grep pop' to verify that the port was being listened on. I tried telnetting to the machine and port 110 to see if I received the standard 'OK Pop server ()' I would then know that my client is crazy. But, instead I'm immediately dropped out with "Connnection closed by foreign host". I know I need to make an entry somewhere to say go ahead and talk on the pop port, but I can't find it.. /etc/hosts.allow doesn't have anything but an unrelated portmapper entry on my original machine, so I don't think it's there. Any ideas? Glen http://glenjarvis.net ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] perl modules
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 May 2000, Lori wrote: > Can some of you perl ppl out there point me in the right direction? I > decided I would like to install a perl module I downloaded from CPAN, > that for some reason did not come with my install: Apache::Debug. > Once before I just stuck a .pm file to use on an ISP's server, no > problem. But this, I am trying to install on my own server, and in > the tarball was a file 'Makefile.PL' with this Makefile.PL is a handy way of creating a Makefile with perl. > and also a 'test.pl' file with this: > > # Before `make install' is performed this script should be runnable with > # `make test'. After `make install' it should work as `perl test.pl' > > # We start with some black magic to print on failure. > > # Change 1..1 below to 1..last_test_to_print . > # (It may become useful if the test is moved to ./t subdirectory.) > > print "no tests...\n"; Boy oh boy, isn't that cute! ;) I guess they are predicting they will need to test the system to make sure it works at some later date. Right now, it appears they don't have any tests to perform. You can safely ignore this file for now. > > # End of black magic. > > # Insert your test code below (better if it prints "ok 13" > # (correspondingly "not ok 13") depending on the success of chunk 13 > # of the test code): > > > Typing either make or 'make test' gives me "no target" or "nothing to > do" sorts of errors, and I really don't know what I'm doing at this > point - I still feel lucky to get rpm's installed. I've used 'make > install' on some apps before, but not with perl stuff. I tried just > taking the file DebugInfo.pm, sticking it in the dir with all the > other Apache *.pm's. I made sure it had same permissions as the other > ones. Then when calling it I get a "undeclared variable" error from > the module itself, when using it in a script. So at least perl can > find the module, right? I'm trying to use it to debug another script Right, so since it doesn't seem they put any configuration code in there, there is probably something wrong with the module itself. It sounds like someone `use strict;'ed and misspelled a variable name, or didn't use my() on the variable name. Go poke around and look to see where the variable should be defined, and define it. See what happens. :) > that isn't working, but I don't understand this Makefile stuff. Do I > really need to do it? Yes, you probably need to do the make stuff -- or at least to get into the habit, most modules actually use the Makefile to do configuration stuff or check for dependencies, this one doesn't seem to, but stil... Besides, Makefiles are actually rather cool things. Basically, make is a program that will run what is specified in the Makefile. The cool thing about Make is that it can tell which files have been updated and which ones haven't, which means when you are debugging a C program with lots of files, only the files you have changed get recompiled. You can also get it to do just about anything. In the Makefile, there are a bunch of definitions for `targets'. I've got some simple Makefiles if you want to see some good examples. make is an unbelievably handy tool, because you don't just have to use it for programming. to solve the problem you're having right now, try running (you might even want to untar the the archive again to get a fresh tree): perl Makefile.pl make make install > > Tune in next week when I try to get DSO modules working... if you know of a > complete newbies guide to installing stuff like this let me know! Just about everything comes with a README & INSTALL file. Learn to love reading them, because they will tell you what you need to know to get something installed. Also, learn how to use the tools the people distributing the software are using for installing, this means if what they wrote is boogered-up, doesn't work for your distro for some reason or another, you can get in there and fix it. This is the harsh reality of using tarballs and beta software. Jeff My Geekcode has moved to my .plan file. finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for that and other Junk My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75 iD8DBQE5JyNm7sVCtrzVTMERAjXmAJ0ZUTgOiehZsizte5rYNslclAl+fgCfVPoM Qf28Wysqq3chWLYpPfS61P8= =6xA8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] A question regarding POP3 and Inet..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 May 2000, Glen Jarvis wrote: > I was browsing the net to find help for a linux situation I was having and > found linuxchix.org.. I'm a member of several other mailing lists.. But, > hadn't heard a reply from them yet.. Probably because it is a heck of a problem. > > So, I thought I'd try here.. I'm not a girl, but I'm gay does that count? :) Glen, I'm a hetro guy, and they haven't kicked me out yet. ;) > > I have installed default Red Hat Linux 6.1. Clients on the box like elm > can send and receive mail. But, I have not yet told inetd that pop3 can > be used from other computers on the internet.. > > I have changed /etc/inetd.conf and uncommented out pop3 (entry copied > below): > > pop-3 stream tcp nowait root/usr/sbin/tcpdipop3d Hmm, that's the pop daemon shipped with Pine. Check to make sure that did get installed, but I don't see why it wouldn't have been on a default RH6.1 install... > > I know I need to make an entry somewhere to say go ahead and talk on the > pop port, but I can't find it.. /etc/hosts.allow doesn't have anything > but an unrelated portmapper entry on my original machine, so I don't think > it's there. > > Any ideas? > That's a tough one, you might want to check /etc/hosts.deny. Turning it on in inetd should be all you need to do to get it to work -- unless you have a restrictive hosts.access or hosts.deny. Also, not to be insulting, but check to make sure the binary is there, maybe run it manually from the command line, and good luck. It worked on my Slack 7 install, I'll try it at school on Monday if nobody else comes up with an answer, or it still isn't working then -- I've got a couple RH6.1 computers there. Jeff My Geekcode has moved to my .plan file. finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for that and other Junk My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.75 iD8DBQE5Jy2y7sVCtrzVTMERAlBkAJwMpo2CnYfyyQRo8bTkNN+xkAv/5wCgtTmY pgnvymbPsU+5BOAkfxCQRgs= =46Ey -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] A question regarding POP3 and Inet..
> > > > > So, I thought I'd try here.. I'm not a girl, but I'm gay does that count? :) > > Glen, I'm a hetro guy, and they haven't kicked me out yet. ;) > How in the heck did you slip through the cracks? -a very very curious LinuxChick ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] how do I get Netscape configured correctly?
I tried to enter in my mail/news server name and user name, etc. I am not sure what I'm missing. It's still not working. Is there something similar to eh-em...dial-up networking that I need to get going also? I'm stumped. Oh yeah, I'm running Mandrake 6.0 if that makes a difference. Finally got that working correctly. I ditched the Red Hat 5.2. We weren't seeing eye to eye. -Clair ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] how do I get Netscape configured correctly?
Also I should probably mention that I haven't set up my modem either...damn I'm schmoove! How do you do that? -Clair ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] A question regarding POP3 and Inet..
> Glen, I'm a hetro guy, and they haven't kicked me out yet. ;) Cool :) > Also, not to be insulting, but check to make sure the binary is > there, maybe run it manually from the command line, and good > luck. I'm not insulted at all. In fact, when I happened to find the log which recorded errors for inetd (secure instead of messages), I discovered that it indeed couldn't find the executable. It wasn't there. I saw listening on the port, but didn't realize it wasn't the ipop3 daemon listening, but inetd. Thanks for pointing this out to me! :) ...if nobody else comes up with an answer, or it still isn't working > then -- I've got a couple RH6.1 computers there. No need. I found my problem now -- I need to install the ipop3d daemon. Again, thanks for the help! :) Glen ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] In need of ideas to solve install problems
glen wrote: > > I am a linux newbie, and I need to be able to get files from the internet > to fix some problems. How do I download stuff from the command line (or > can I)? How do I install a new version of Xfree86? Basically the problems > I am having (among other which are keeping me from these fixes) are on the > following page (although I have a slightly different model. Any > suggestions are welcome. It depends partly on which flavour of Linux you're using. In debian, you can download stuff with 'apt-get'. In all flavours, you can use lynx (which someone else mentioned) or ftp. (ncftp is my favourite). There's lots of ways. Jenn V. -- "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion reactor. This is women's work!" Helix, Freefall. http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/ Jenn Vesperman[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simegen.com/~jenn ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] how do I get Netscape configured correctly?
Clair Mooza wrote: > > I tried to enter in my mail/news server name and user name, etc. I am > not sure what I'm missing. It's still not working. Is there something > similar to eh-em...dial-up networking that I need to get going also? > I'm stumped. Oh yeah, I'm running Mandrake 6.0 if that makes a > difference. Finally got that working correctly. I ditched the Red Hat > 5.2. We weren't seeing eye to eye. > > Also I should probably mention that I haven't set up my modem either...damn > I'm schmoove! How do you do that? This is probably going to sound patronising - I don't intend it, but I don't really know a good way of providing this theory without risking sounding patronising. If I do, please forgive me, and bear with me. Your second mail told me why you aren't getting mail and news. The theory: The internet runs on layers. * The top layer - the one visible to most end-users - is the actual 'good bits'. Mail, news, IRC, web.. all that neat stuff. * Under that is the stuff that does the connecting work - TCP/IP, domain name servers, gateway addresses, IP addresses. Most end users have a vague idea it's there, because they 'have to put all those numbers in' and 'have to pay some silly ISP just so I can get my mail'. * Under /that/ is the physical connection: the modem, ISDN line, microwave link, satellite link.. whatever. It's kind of like a postal network, if you want to think of it that way. * The inside of the parcel is the stuff you want - your books from Amazon.com, or your present from your great-aunt who knits you tea cosies every christmas. * Around that is the wrapping, with your address on it so they know which doorstep to put the parcel on. * But the wrapping won't get it to you without the actual deliverymen in their vans, and the road network, and so on. So what you have is the top layer - Netscape - configured. But you haven't run the TCP/IP program, or connected the modem. Most 'modem setup' or 'dial-up' or 'networking' software takes care of both the bottom two layers for end-users, which makes life considerably simpler (but means people don't get the theory!). So now the practical: I'm just going to do a web-search for a Mandrake 6.0 HowTo for modems. I don't know Mandrake at all, but I'm told it's an easy one to use. (and just as I'm about to do this, my link gives trouble. Wheee. Life is giving me a demonstration of your frustration!) I suspect that 'kppp' or 'pppd' will solve your problems. And given the difficulty I'm having websearching right now, I think I'll just send this with a request to someone who's actually got a /link/ at the moment to locate an appropriate HowTo, Jenn V. -- "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion reactor. This is women's work!" Helix, Freefall. http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/ Jenn Vesperman[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simegen.com/~jenn ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
[techtalk] More Theory: why could I send mail but not websearch?
I (Jenn V) wrote: > I'm just going to do a web-search for a Mandrake 6.0 HowTo for modems. I > don't know Mandrake at all, but I'm told it's an easy one to use. > (and just as I'm about to do this, my link gives trouble. Wheee. Life is > giving me a demonstration of your frustration!) > I suspect that 'kppp' or 'pppd' will solve your problems. And given the > difficulty I'm having websearching right now, I think I'll just send this > with a request to someone who's actually got a /link/ at the moment to > locate an appropriate HowTo. I realise people may be seriously - and rightly - confused about why I sent the mail, but claimed I was having trouble websearching. Those of the Chix who are sysadmins may delete this mail now (or heckle me if I get anything wrong!). The trick is in the different ways mail and web are handled. Mail is a 'slow' transaction, and can be held for up to three days at any point if the links give trouble. Web needs to be reasonably instant - a web transaction times out in less than a minute if nothing starts happening. So I sent the mail from here to my household server. That server sent it up the modem to the main simegen.com mail server, which patiently kept trying to send it to linuxchix.org. Which it did, within a matter of minutes. But meantime, my web transactions kept timing out. Jenn V. -- "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion reactor. This is women's work!" Helix, Freefall. http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/ Jenn Vesperman[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simegen.com/~jenn ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] how do I get Netscape configured correctly?
"Jenn V." wrote: > Clair Mooza wrote: > > > > I tried to enter in my mail/news server name and user name, etc. I am > > not sure what I'm missing. It's still not working. Is there something > > similar to eh-em...dial-up networking that I need to get going also? > > I'm stumped. Oh yeah, I'm running Mandrake 6.0 if that makes a > > difference. Finally got that working correctly. I ditched the Red Hat > > 5.2. We weren't seeing eye to eye. > > > > Also I should probably mention that I haven't set up my modem either...damn > > I'm schmoove! How do you do that? > > This is probably going to sound patronising - I don't intend it, but I > don't really know a good way of providing this theory without risking > sounding patronising. > If I do, please forgive me, and bear with me. > Your second mail told me why you aren't getting mail and news. > > The theory: > > The internet runs on layers. > * The top layer - the one visible to most end-users - is the actual 'good > bits'. Mail, news, IRC, web.. all that neat stuff. > * Under that is the stuff that does the connecting work - TCP/IP, domain > name servers, gateway addresses, IP addresses. Most end users have a vague > idea it's there, because they 'have to put all those numbers in' and 'have > to pay some silly ISP just so I can get my mail'. > * Under /that/ is the physical connection: the modem, ISDN line, microwave > link, satellite link.. whatever. > > It's kind of like a postal network, if you want to think of it that way. > * The inside of the parcel is the stuff you want - your books from > Amazon.com, or your present from your great-aunt who knits you tea cosies > every christmas. > * Around that is the wrapping, with your address on it so they know which > doorstep to put the parcel on. > * But the wrapping won't get it to you without the actual deliverymen in > their vans, and the road network, and so on. > > So what you have is the top layer - Netscape - configured. But you haven't > run the TCP/IP program, or connected the modem. Most 'modem setup' or > 'dial-up' or 'networking' software takes care of both the bottom two layers > for end-users, which makes life considerably simpler (but means people > don't get the theory!). > > So now the practical: > > I'm just going to do a web-search for a Mandrake 6.0 HowTo for modems. I > don't know Mandrake at all, but I'm told it's an easy one to use. > (and just as I'm about to do this, my link gives trouble. Wheee. Life is > giving me a demonstration of your frustration!) > I suspect that 'kppp' or 'pppd' will solve your problems. And given the > difficulty I'm having websearching right now, I think I'll just send this > with a request to someone who's actually got a /link/ at the moment to > locate an appropriate HowTo, > > Jenn V. > -- Jenn- Yeah, hence the "damn I'm schmoove" statement. Just poking a little fun at myself. Would probably help to have a protocol running and the modem too, and when I figured out that I hadn't even set up my modem and was trying to set up Netscape...well let's just say that I wasn't feelin too cool. This is my first successful install (third attempt) of Linux. It's like I have lost all brain cells. I appreciate you trying to help me get going! In the mean time, I think I will do a little scratching around on the web too to see if I can't find anything useful. Thought I would check in here first. Thanks and let me know if you find any references worth taking a peek at. -Clair ___ techtalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/techtalk
Re: [techtalk] perl modules
I don't know if this will help you but you might also want to install the module CPAN. What the CPAN module does is help you "query, download and build perl modules from CPAN sites" so instead of just downloading the module from a CPAN ftp site and untaring, running make, the CPAN module helps you do all of this and a whole load of other things from the command line. If you are just installing one module it may not be worth it but if you get to the point where you are using a lot of modules it will save you a lot of time and frustration. To learn more read this following documentation: http://theoryx5.uwinnipeg.ca/CPAN/data/perl/CPAN.html Enjoy! Melissa Plunkett Jeff Frasca wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sat, 20 May 2000, Lori wrote: > > > Can some of you perl ppl out there point me in the right direction? I > > decided I would like to install a perl module I downloaded from CPAN, > > that for some reason did not come with my install: Apache::Debug. > > Once before I just stuck a .pm file to use on an ISP's server, no > > problem. But this, I am trying to install on my own server, and in > > the tarball was a file 'Makefile.PL' with this > > Makefile.PL is a handy way of creating a Makefile with perl. > > > and also a 'test.pl' file with this: > > > > # Before `make install' is performed this script should be runnable with > > # `make test'. After `make install' it should work as `perl test.pl' > > > > # We start with some black magic to print on failure. > > > > # Change 1..1 below to 1..last_test_to_print . > > # (It may become useful if the test is moved to ./t subdirectory.) > > > > print "no tests...\n"; > > Boy oh boy, isn't that cute! ;) I guess they are predicting they will > need to test the system to make sure it works at some later date. Right > now, it appears they don't have any tests to perform. You can safely > ignore this file for now. > > > > > # End of black magic. > > > > # Insert your test code below (better if it prints "ok 13" > > # (correspondingly "not ok 13") depending on the success of chunk 13 > > # of the test code): > > > > > > Typing either make or 'make test' gives me "no target" or "nothing to > > do" sorts of errors, and I really don't know what I'm doing at this > > point - I still feel lucky to get rpm's installed. I've used 'make > > install' on some apps before, but not with perl stuff. I tried just > > taking the file DebugInfo.pm, sticking it in the dir with all the > > other Apache *.pm's. I made sure it had same permissions as the other > > ones. Then when calling it I get a "undeclared variable" error from > > the module itself, when using it in a script. So at least perl can > > find the module, right? I'm trying to use it to debug another script > > Right, so since it doesn't seem they put any configuration code in > there, there is probably something wrong with the module itself. It > sounds like someone `use strict;'ed and misspelled a variable name, or > didn't use my() on the variable name. Go poke around and look to see > where the variable should be defined, and define it. See what happens. > :) > > > that isn't working, but I don't understand this Makefile stuff. Do I > > really need to do it? > > Yes, you probably need to do the make stuff -- or at least to get into > the habit, most modules actually use the Makefile to do configuration > stuff or check for dependencies, this one doesn't seem to, but stil... > Besides, Makefiles are actually rather cool things. Basically, make is > a program that will run what is specified in the Makefile. The cool > thing about Make is that it can tell which files have been updated and > which ones haven't, which means when you are debugging a C program with > lots of files, only the files you have changed get recompiled. You can > also get it to do just about anything. > > In the Makefile, there are a bunch of definitions for `targets'. I've > got some simple Makefiles if you want to see some good examples. make > is an unbelievably handy tool, because you don't just have to use it for > programming. > > to solve the problem you're having right now, try running (you might > even want to untar the the archive again to get a fresh tree): > perl Makefile.pl > make > make install > > > > > Tune in next week when I try to get DSO modules working... if you know of a > > complete newbies guide to installing stuff like this let me know! > > Just about everything comes with a README & INSTALL file. Learn to love > reading them, because they will tell you what you need to know to get > something installed. Also, learn how to use the tools the people > distributing the software are using for installing, this means if what > they wrote is boogered-up, doesn't work for your distro for some reason > or an
