[techtalk] network speeds...

2000-05-15 Thread Walt

Can anyone tell me a network speed benchmark
site or utility? I'm curious what would be considered
'normal' transfer rates on a 100 BT network.

I'm using analogx's Netstat utility on my
win98 box. When transferring from my rhl server
I'm getting 6.3 MB per sec, when transferring
to the server I get 2.5MB. Is this fast? Slow? etc...
And why the massive difference in speed?

Also, what does the load average under uptime signify?

Thanks!
Walt

-~

In America, any boy may become president and I suppose that's just one
of the risks he takes.

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Re: [techtalk] stuck with TCP/IP, win98 and linux

2000-05-15 Thread Emily the visible

Thanks everyone :)

Now I just have to read enough to have a faint clue as to what I'm
doing.

Emily (and thanks for the info that a windows box can ping itself...
that let me know that the card is definitely installed correctly and is
working)


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[techtalk] laptops

2000-05-15 Thread Helena Verrill

Hi,

I just joined this list, and so I hope this is an appropriate
question to post here - if not let me know!

I've decided to buy a laptop which I want to use with linux.
(and keep windows on as well, since unfortunately I still
would like it for things I can't do with linux).
I've been reading the linux for laptops page, but there are so
many entries there it is still a difficult decision to work out
which one to get.

Is it correct that just about any laptop can be made to work with
linux, so it doesn't really matter too much which one I get, and
I might as well make the decision first, and just check the linux
lap top page at the last minute, just to check it won't be an
exceptional case where everything is impossible?

I have a friend who strongly recommends a Sony Vaio, - he uses
Sony Vaio PCG-505TR, with linux, of course, and recommends I get
the newer version, Sony Vaio PCG-Z505S.
However, I also thought the Toshiba Porteges (any of them) looked from
the descriptions on the linux laptops web pages that they would work
well with linux.

I would like to know if anyone has any additional comments on installing
linux on these laptops, especially if you've done it on both; or if you'd
particularly recommend something else.
This would help me make up my mind faster.

Thanks very much!

Helena

PS.  Since this is the first time I've posted to this list...
I've used linux for about 2 years, and Unix for about 8 or 9 years,
but I'm just a user, and there's a lot more I'd like to learn, 
which is why I joined the list. 
If anyone wants to know more about me, my home page is at
http://www.math.ku.dk/~verrill/



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RE: [techtalk] laptops

2000-05-15 Thread Davida Schiff

Hi Helena,

Having put RedHat 6.x on many different laptops I suggested a laptop that
comes pre-installed with Linux (either Dell or tuxtops (www.tuxtops.com).
The biggest problem (that I have found) with name brand notebooks is sound
configuration. You can check out the Linux for Laptops site at
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/

Hope this helps,

Davida

-Original Message-
From: Helena Verrill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 11:15 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [techtalk] laptops


Hi,

I just joined this list, and so I hope this is an appropriate
question to post here - if not let me know!

I've decided to buy a laptop which I want to use with linux.
(and keep windows on as well, since unfortunately I still
would like it for things I can't do with linux).
I've been reading the linux for laptops page, but there are so
many entries there it is still a difficult decision to work out
which one to get.

Is it correct that just about any laptop can be made to work with
linux, so it doesn't really matter too much which one I get, and
I might as well make the decision first, and just check the linux
lap top page at the last minute, just to check it won't be an
exceptional case where everything is impossible?

I have a friend who strongly recommends a Sony Vaio, - he uses
Sony Vaio PCG-505TR, with linux, of course, and recommends I get
the newer version, Sony Vaio PCG-Z505S.
However, I also thought the Toshiba Porteges (any of them) looked from
the descriptions on the linux laptops web pages that they would work
well with linux.

I would like to know if anyone has any additional comments on installing
linux on these laptops, especially if you've done it on both; or if you'd
particularly recommend something else.
This would help me make up my mind faster.

Thanks very much!

Helena

PS.  Since this is the first time I've posted to this list...
I've used linux for about 2 years, and Unix for about 8 or 9 years,
but I'm just a user, and there's a lot more I'd like to learn, 
which is why I joined the list. 
If anyone wants to know more about me, my home page is at
http://www.math.ku.dk/~verrill/



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Re: [techtalk] laptops

2000-05-15 Thread Saska

Helena,

I do know that the Sony Vaios can be loaded with Linux without a hitch.
I know several people who dual-boot their Vaios in Win98 and Linux (both
Debian and RedHat).  I also recently purchased a Dell Latitude from
their refurbished stock that's a real screamer for the $2200 and runs
RedHat 6.2 successfully.

If you don't need sound and serial support (just need application
support) you might look at Win4Lin (www.trelos.com) as a way to run
Windows apps with full commercial support, without having to dual-boot.
I won't get into a holy war about the virtues of WINE vs. other
solutions, but I personally use Win4Lin so that I can maintain all of my
files on my Linux filesystem and have access to them even when I'm not
running the Windoze emulator. :)  Since it just runs a shell with Win95
or Win98, I don't have to worry about porting individual apps or running
them each in their own memory space.  (I'm running Outlook Express in
RedHat right now, as a matter of fact.)

-Saska

From: Helena Verrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


| Hi,
|
| I just joined this list, and so I hope this is an appropriate
| question to post here - if not let me know!
|
| I've decided to buy a laptop which I want to use with linux.
| (and keep windows on as well, since unfortunately I still
| would like it for things I can't do with linux).
| I've been reading the linux for laptops page, but there are so
| many entries there it is still a difficult decision to work out
| which one to get.
|
| Is it correct that just about any laptop can be made to work with
| linux, so it doesn't really matter too much which one I get, and
| I might as well make the decision first, and just check the linux
| lap top page at the last minute, just to check it won't be an
| exceptional case where everything is impossible?
|
| I have a friend who strongly recommends a Sony Vaio, - he uses
| Sony Vaio PCG-505TR, with linux, of course, and recommends I get
| the newer version, Sony Vaio PCG-Z505S.
| However, I also thought the Toshiba Porteges (any of them) looked from
| the descriptions on the linux laptops web pages that they would work
| well with linux.
|
| I would like to know if anyone has any additional comments on
installing
| linux on these laptops, especially if you've done it on both; or if
you'd
| particularly recommend something else.
| This would help me make up my mind faster.
|
| Thanks very much!
|
| Helena
|
| PS.  Since this is the first time I've posted to this list...
| I've used linux for about 2 years, and Unix for about 8 or 9 years,
| but I'm just a user, and there's a lot more I'd like to learn,
| which is why I joined the list.
| If anyone wants to know more about me, my home page is at
| http://www.math.ku.dk/~verrill/
|
|
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Re: [techtalk] network speeds...

2000-05-15 Thread BobTFish

At 15:05 15/05/00, Walt wrote:

>Also, what does the load average under uptime signify?

Load average is the number of processes in the run queue at once. (ie those 
not stopped waiting for network, or IO but actually ready to do 
processing).. The three numbers are averages over the last 30 seconds, 5 
mins and 15 mins..

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RE: [techtalk] laptops

2000-05-15 Thread Samantha Jo Moore

Helena,

I recommend you go with Dell.  I have 6 engineers with either Insprion
7500 or 5000 laptops, running dual boot systems, either WinNT or 98 
with Red Hat 6.1 or 6.2.  Dell computers provides great support and 
they make available the device drivers necessary for their specific
hardware, something that other manufacturers don't do.  In these
other cases you need to go surf the net to find the proper drivers
for either ethernet cards or modems, etc.  Not with Dell.  You can
download them right off their web site.

Additionally the hardware is quality #1.  I've had only one problem
with a display which got replaced the next day.  Oh! And the displays
are great!  15+ inches!  I don't use an external monitor any more.

Samantha


> Hi,
> 
> I just joined this list, and so I hope this is an appropriate
> question to post here - if not let me know!
> 
> I've decided to buy a laptop which I want to use with linux.
> (and keep windows on as well, since unfortunately I still
> would like it for things I can't do with linux).
> I've been reading the linux for laptops page, but there are so
> many entries there it is still a difficult decision to work out
> which one to get.
> 
> Is it correct that just about any laptop can be made to work with
> linux, so it doesn't really matter too much which one I get, and
> I might as well make the decision first, and just check the linux
> lap top page at the last minute, just to check it won't be an
> exceptional case where everything is impossible?
> 
> I have a friend who strongly recommends a Sony Vaio, - he uses
> Sony Vaio PCG-505TR, with linux, of course, and recommends I get
> the newer version, Sony Vaio PCG-Z505S.
> However, I also thought the Toshiba Porteges (any of them) looked from
> the descriptions on the linux laptops web pages that they would work
> well with linux.
> 
> I would like to know if anyone has any additional comments on installing
> linux on these laptops, especially if you've done it on both; or if you'd
> particularly recommend something else.
> This would help me make up my mind faster.
> 
> Thanks very much!
> 
> Helena
> 
> PS.  Since this is the first time I've posted to this list...
> I've used linux for about 2 years, and Unix for about 8 or 9 years,
> but I'm just a user, and there's a lot more I'd like to learn, 
> which is why I joined the list. 
> If anyone wants to know more about me, my home page is at
> http://www.math.ku.dk/~verrill/
> 
> 
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RE: [techtalk] laptops

2000-05-15 Thread nicoya

Agreed - I use a Dell (though not currently with *ix)Latitude and 
have had great luck and performance from it, and I know 3 people 
who've installed RH with no problem on their Latitudes.  

~~~Nicoya...

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> Helena,
> 
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Re: [techtalk] laptops

2000-05-15 Thread Caitlyn Máire Maritn

Hi, Helena, and everyone else,

Another good choice with Linux is the IBM Thinkpad 600E, which is certified
to run with Linux by IBM.  Everything should work, and a number of companies
are selling them with Red Hat Linux preinstalled.  We use them here at work
(though not with *nix), and they are extremely reliable.

I've seen ads claiming the Thinkpad 1440 (I series) is also Linux
compatible, but I haven't seen an IBM certification for it so I'm not sure
that there isn't a Win-something in it.  I also haven't seen it offered
preinstalled with Linux yet.

I hope this helps.

All the best,
Caity



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Re: [techtalk] laptops

2000-05-15 Thread Lyta Alexander

i've an ibm thinkpad 380ed dual booting slackware and dos it was no
problem setting up (i don't use X though so can't say about that
part) except that ibm shipped it with the serial port disabled and i
need that for my braille display


On Mon, 15 May 2000, [iso-8859-1] Caitlyn Máire Maritn wrote:
> 
> Hi, Helena, and everyone else,
> 
> Another good choice with Linux is the IBM Thinkpad 600E, which is certified
> to run with Linux by IBM.  Everything should work, and a number of companies
> are selling them with Red Hat Linux preinstalled.  We use them here at work
> (though not with *nix), and they are extremely reliable.
> 
> I've seen ads claiming the Thinkpad 1440 (I series) is also Linux
> compatible, but I haven't seen an IBM certification for it so I'm not sure
> that there isn't a Win-something in it.  I also haven't seen it offered
> preinstalled with Linux yet.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> All the best,
> Caity



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[techtalk] cgi scripts & html output

2000-05-15 Thread Shelly L. Hokanson


hi all -

question. i've been pulling my hair out on this one (and essentially given
up on it). i'm about a two-week newbie to implementing cgi scripts written
in perl. after learning how they reference directories (system vs. url) and
setting correct permissions, i'm a happy camper. playing with cgi scripts
left and right.

found one that has me stuck.

it's a message forum script, called DForum. here's the link to the actual
script if anyone wants to look at it.
http://www.dansteinman.com/dforum/forum

i got the script and its admin script working (just go up one level in that
url above to get to the main page for the script), so it's configured
correctly. here's my problem.

the author uses the EOF command to tell the script to output html. (what
does EOF stand for, anyway?). according to him (and the other scripts i've
played with that use that command), whatever is typed in the EOF section is
read as html, so it's all typical html markup. good enough. well. one
particular step in the message forum posting process you input your message,
then click a "preview" button (form inputs in the html). all fine and dandy,
but for some reason, this script omits one entire line of the html, where it
would send the input text to the final post output process. on screen, i see
everything correctly except where that line would be, it shows
">
obviously the end of the line of html that's being omitted. i can't figure
out why it's doing it. there's no odd line breaks in the html, and all of
the variables seem to be referenced correctly in the script.

here's a link to what the problem is if you want to reproduce it. it's a
test of a message forum on my techchron.com site:
http://jove.prohosting.com/~tchron/dforum/forum.pl

pretend like you're going to post a message, and when you get to the
"preview" page (where you would click "submit") is where you'll see the odd
character. if you view the source, you'll see that the final input for the
body of the message is omitted, and only that last tag bit is shown. compare
that to the actual script, under the commented heading "prints the preview
page", you'll see that it looks to be correctly coded html for a form.

i dunno.

i've spent over 8 hours trying to figure it out, and it's driving me nuts! i
tried to give up but there's already such a huge time investment that i'm
irked by it.

if there's any programming gurus out there, this is probably a piece of
cake. unfortunately i only know enough about perl to make me dangerous.  =)

thanks all,

shelly
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[techtalk] Unsubscribe????

2000-05-15 Thread RSSri

Hello:
Would somebody please direct me to the website where I can ubsubcribe to this list?
I tried going to the linuxchix website but could not get to the account information...
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Re: [techtalk] cgi scripts & html output

2000-05-15 Thread GeekGrrl

Okay, the EOF comes from these statements:

print <<"EOF";
html blablahblaah
EOF

This means print all text from the print statement until the text matchs
"EOF"

If you are seeing EOF in the html, you need to be sure that the print
statement is in place referencing the EOF. If it is, run the script with
/path/to/perl -w /path/to/script.pl or /path/to/perl -d /path/to/script.pl

If you need to set variables, setenv QUERY_STRING
=\&=\&

That may not work if you are not using tcsh or csh as your shell. I forget
how to set environmental variables in bash.

On Mon, 15 May 2000, Shelly L. Hokanson wrote:

> 
> hi all -
> 
> question. i've been pulling my hair out on this one (and essentially given
> up on it). i'm about a two-week newbie to implementing cgi scripts written
> in perl. after learning how they reference directories (system vs. url) and
> setting correct permissions, i'm a happy camper. playing with cgi scripts
> left and right.
> 
> found one that has me stuck.
> 
> it's a message forum script, called DForum. here's the link to the actual
> script if anyone wants to look at it.
> http://www.dansteinman.com/dforum/forum
> 
> i got the script and its admin script working (just go up one level in that
> url above to get to the main page for the script), so it's configured
> correctly. here's my problem.
> 
> the author uses the EOF command to tell the script to output html. (what
> does EOF stand for, anyway?). according to him (and the other scripts i've
> played with that use that command), whatever is typed in the EOF section is
> read as html, so it's all typical html markup. good enough. well. one
> particular step in the message forum posting process you input your message,
> then click a "preview" button (form inputs in the html). all fine and dandy,
> but for some reason, this script omits one entire line of the html, where it
> would send the input text to the final post output process. on screen, i see
> everything correctly except where that line would be, it shows
> ">
> obviously the end of the line of html that's being omitted. i can't figure
> out why it's doing it. there's no odd line breaks in the html, and all of
> the variables seem to be referenced correctly in the script.
> 
> here's a link to what the problem is if you want to reproduce it. it's a
> test of a message forum on my techchron.com site:
> http://jove.prohosting.com/~tchron/dforum/forum.pl
> 
> pretend like you're going to post a message, and when you get to the
> "preview" page (where you would click "submit") is where you'll see the odd
> character. if you view the source, you'll see that the final input for the
> body of the message is omitted, and only that last tag bit is shown. compare
> that to the actual script, under the commented heading "prints the preview
> page", you'll see that it looks to be correctly coded html for a form.
> 
> i dunno.
> 
> i've spent over 8 hours trying to figure it out, and it's driving me nuts! i
> tried to give up but there's already such a huge time investment that i'm
> irked by it.
> 
> if there's any programming gurus out there, this is probably a piece of
> cake. unfortunately i only know enough about perl to make me dangerous.  =)
> 
> thanks all,
> 
> shelly
> techchron.com beta 2 - girls are techies too!
> http://jove.prohosting.com/~tchron
> 
> come write for us!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [techtalk] Unsubscribe????

2000-05-15 Thread WolfRyder

I copied and pasted this from my welcome email. you need your password from 
when you signed on to the list.

"You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to:

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You must know your password to change your options (including changing
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Hope this helps,
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RE: [techtalk] laptops

2000-05-15 Thread Linda Walsh

I'd speak up for Dell as well -- but with an important note -- get the
next business-day on-site servicing.  It's worth it!  I've a 7500 that's
fairly loaded, but it's with me everywhere. It's seen alot of repairs since
December.  Two keyboards, 2 new ethernet cards @ 1 new dongle (didn't know
the card they were selling me was a dongle card...hate those).  New power
supply (connector at computer became damanged -- possibly pulled in wrong
direction -- possibly puppy teeth)  New hard disk (Thank goddess I got a
2nd hard disk with a recent image).  The old hard disk had particular
sectors that failed in the system partition -- so I had the luxury of
backing up all the rest of the partitions (Header, Win32, /boot, swap, /tmp,
/var, /, /home).  I was able to boot off of the 2nd hard disk after modifying
it's lilo.conf via some distro-install-CD (dropped to shell) and copy
the latest and greatest from all partitions other than "/".  Also had the screws
in the lid replaced on one side (might have been fatigued from rough handling),
The lid hooks are currently broken (because of the lid being askew, they
got broken when the lid fell down.  I think I've also had a new battery pack
(one went mysteriously dead).  I also ordered the wizbang docking station which
has been replaced once.  

Some of those were sorta lame, but some are likely due to it being with me
everywhere!  On a flight across country
recently, the ability to throw in 2 power packs gave me a 6hr 40min battery
life.  I still had over 3 hours left when I touched down in Orlando.  I
just bought a 3rd in case I was on an international flight (got some
business trips coming up, though business class on continental has power
outlets).  With 3 batteries that's 10 hours.  Ok, so it weighs a ton.  I do
need a custom X-server -- the one Dell provided ran really slow.  Also --
another problem, Dell only sold certain configs with Linux.  I bought mine
before they offered pre-installed, but, for example, last time I looked,
you couldn't order the 15.4" 1280x1024 -- I think you could order the 15" 
1400x12??.  Many apps don't size well for that dot density.  Last I looked,
they didn't offer the 22.5G HD w/Linux -- just a measily 10G.  Memory
size was lower, Oh yeah, they also only sold the video card with 4M instead
of 8.  So if you want the higher powered machine, you'll need to order WIN98
and use partition magic or something similar to resize.

Anyway -- that's what I did -- just recently bought an extra 256M ram, bringing
it up to 512M.  I have the dos partition size down to about 5G and the rest
is linux.  The extra memory has made VMware run much more nicely -- especially
on a "Suspend" operation.  I *can* dual boot -- but usually it's Linux up
with windows running in VMware.  I have Exceed X software in Windows, so I
can have Linux windows from "below" in Windows -- Also my linux system is
fully available to my Windows system via Samba.  CTL-ALT-F7 = Linux desktop,
CTL-ALT-F8 = Windows desktop. Windows also runs as a window on the Linux desktop.
Choosing the 'Full-Screen' option in VMware gives the F8 desktop.  Right
now I give Windows 128M.  When I want to shut down, I usually suspend Windows
to be on the safe side.  Suspend/restore usually happens in seconds.  But
for the most part, I have both up nearly all the time.

The only time I need to boot into windows is to watch a DVD or correct a floating
point error in Money that hangs Windows in VMware.  

Right now I am needing to have access to the kernel source and do documenting,
so Word up with an X window to the host Linux machine works great.  Host
is running SuSE with a 2.2.15 kernel (latest PCMCIA release fixes a
problem with the card not re-initializing after coming out of sleep).  

So...overall, I'm pretty happy.  I do 90% of my work on my laptop and only
when I'm doing constant test-builds of kernels and such do I use another
machine (dual processor, faster disk).

Oh...two more downsides on this laptop -- price -- it set me back a bit, but
I looked at it as an investment in my career.  The 2nd --  it weighs a ton (ok,
more like 10lbs), even more if you carry around a spare battery (I usually
don't).  Recharge time is quick -- A full day in sleep mode (saved to memory,
not disk) drained battery <5%.  Oh a 3rd thing -- the built-in speakers have
poor sound.  They are squished between the battery on the right and the
DVD-floppy combo on the left and the outlets for the sound are on the side --
a good choice for ruggedization (crumbs and dust not dropping in from above
where palms rest) but not the best for fidelity  -- with external speakers
or earphones, it's fine though.

Sorry for chatting on...Guess I'm just pretty jazzed about having pretty close
to a portable workstation.  Even off the net I have enough work to keep
me busy for quite a whileoh yeah, like I have a language CD (Paris is
one of my speaking sites) -- I copied the CD's as iso's first and using
the loopback device mounted them

Re: [techtalk] cgi scripts & html output

2000-05-15 Thread Christian MacAuley

What geekgrrl said. :-)  Additionally, EOF litterally means "End Of File".

~Christian



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Re: [techtalk] cgi scripts & html output

2000-05-15 Thread Jenn V.



GeekGrrl wrote:
> 
> Okay, the EOF comes from these statements:
> 
> print <<"EOF";
> html blablahblaah
> EOF
> 
> This means print all text from the print statement until the text matchs
> "EOF"

EOF typically stands for 'End of File', btw.



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Re: [techtalk] Unsubscribe????

2000-05-15 Thread Jenn V.



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Re: [techtalk] cgi scripts & html output

2000-05-15 Thread Sean McAfee

"Shelly L. Hokanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>it's a message forum script, called DForum. here's the link to the actual
>script if anyone wants to look at it.
>http://www.dansteinman.com/dforum/forum

>here's my problem.
>the author uses the EOF command to tell the script to output html. (what
>does EOF stand for, anyway?).

As previously mentioned, "End Of File".  It's not a command, but simply the
delimiter of a construct called a "here document", a feature Perl borrowed
from the shell.  Try this at your shell prompt:

tr a-z A-Z played with that use that command), whatever is typed in the EOF section is
>read as html, so it's all typical html markup. good enough. well. one
>particular step in the message forum posting process you input your message,
>then click a "preview" button (form inputs in the html). all fine and dandy,
>but for some reason, this script omits one entire line of the html, where it
>would send the input text to the final post output process. on screen, i see
>everything correctly except where that line would be, it shows
>">
>obviously the end of the line of html that's being omitted. i can't figure
>out why it's doing it. there's no odd line breaks in the html, and all of
>the variables seem to be referenced correctly in the script.

>here's a link to what the problem is if you want to reproduce it. it's a
>test of a message forum on my techchron.com site:
>http://jove.prohosting.com/~tchron/dforum/forum.pl

I get a (rather extravagent) "Not Found" message when I try to view this
link.  I downloaded the forum.pl script and installed it locally, and I
can't see the behavior you describe.  For example, I entered the three
lines "Testing", "Testing", and "1, 2, 3.".  The "Submit Preview" page
presents the text just as I entered it; the page source looks like this:

Subject: Testing
Date: 05/16/2000
Testing
Testing
1, 2, 3.


What's the exact input you used that caused your problem?

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