[techtalk] vm?!?
I miss vm terribly! It was installed at GNU (yes, I know rms doesn't
support it) but it is *MUCH* better than rmail and I am dying in elm.
Where can I get the sources? I want it on my home system!
.Tami
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Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey Beverly, > What I meant by that (paths) was the proposed FSSTND. RH even publishes > it in their manuals and then deviates from it. It is a matter of personal > choice and from that vantage point I can understand. However, what keeps > poeple from easily following along is reading docs about things like > apache and trying to following their pathing structure on you RH box. In > general it's confusing and IMHO keeps linux out of the big picture for a > lot of software manufactures. I mean look at RH, it's like they are Linux. > Every major app builder is announcing support for RH and not "linux". > Subtle point but it makes an impact in the views of others. I guess I've been using a linux/unix system for awhile that I've always assumed people would know that there are multiple areas to find a binary or configuration files. It is confusing for most people who've asked me about installing new software on their system heh. I understand what you mean though... it's why I don't like packagers like rpm or debian packages. =) No offense meant!!! I know it makes it easier for everyone to install and upgrade their system but it doesn't help them understand the filesystem underneath. I know several programmers that dislike the proposed standards and package their software in rpm and debian packages to their personal tastes by default. It always screws people up when their trying to look for the software. Beverly - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.home.com/bguill/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Dan Nguyen wrote: > The "standard" way of doing it is to have the distribution install > everything in /usr, while leaving it up to the user to install stuff > in /usr/local I believe there is a way to change the installation directory using a RPM option, is there not? If not, you could always download the rpm-source file rather then a regular rpm file and rebuild it so it does go to any directory you want. > I really don't like /usr/local, infact I don't have any programs > installed there. I tend to use /opt/, that way a quick rm > -rf /opt/ will delete all trace of it. If it really is > deserving to be installed on my system... it get's packaged, that way > I can uninstall it when I get bored of it... I've never installed in the /opt directory. What about configuration files, how does that put into effect for /opt? Most of the configuration under /usr/local go into /usr/local/etc . Beverly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] A good intro textbook for Linux
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:39:58 -0800 (PST) Raven Damask <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The O'Reilly intro series are too basic (I was > pretty disappointed in their book on learning Debian, > which is a first for me and O'Reilly), and "Running > Linux" is too in-depth for this class, and presumes > too much basic knowledge. Maybe I'm confused then as to what you want. Running Linux is the book I shove at everyone who asks me about learning Linux and Unix (why do I include Unix here? because they're usually looking for an operating system for their computer, and have heard the Unix word). It has enough helpful information to fix many of the dumb errors that one finds in Mandrake, and encourages the reader to go try things out. So, since I appear to be confused, what exactly are you looking for in a Linux book? Emily, who is starting to think she likes Mandrake because it's so broken at times... it's very educational [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] vm?!?
Here you Tami, ask and ye shall receive.
http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/
Phil
At 05:48 22/02/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I miss vm terribly! It was installed at GNU (yes, I know rms doesn't
>support it) but it is *MUCH* better than rmail and I am dying in elm.
>Where can I get the sources? I want it on my home system!
>
>.Tami
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Re: [techtalk] Lisp (was: X Mail client recommendations)
Samantha Atkins wrote: > Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > > > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:58:14 +1100, "Jenn V." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > > >Correct me if I'm wrong, but 'you don't know of any Lisp > > >documentation besides what's in the Emacs distribution'? Are those > > >the missing adjectives? > > > > There are _lots_ of good books on LISP out there. The Little LISPer > > is a good guidebook, IMO. (I have both the Little LISPer and the > > Little Schemer -- they're good books.) For Emacs LISP, the FSF used > > to publish a Emacs LISP Programmer's Manual. Poke around their > > website, or just drop RMS a line and ask about it. I'm sure that they > > still have it, although it's possibly out of date at this point. > > > > Kelly > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > > O'Reilly publishes "Writing GNU Emacs Extensions" that covers a lot of > Emacs Lisp and many useful and wondrous things to do with it. Highly > recommended for Emacs hackers. > > - samantha > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org In the old GNU Emacs manual, the one with the cover with RMS as Arjuna riding down scaring away the Bell Guy with a wawsd of $$$ flying out of his pockets was a good EMACS LISP manual. It isn't too hard to learn. In fact I still LISP and SCHEME and don't do anywhere as much PERL. I haven't checked "Writing GNU Emacs Extensions" and haven't got on their review list. But somewhere if anyone wants me to dig them up I have extensions to "dissociated press" which uses the William S. Burrough's cut up technique in EMACS. If anyone wants I'll dig up and produce my paper where I state that it is human computer intervention that works best. I let the machine cut up and did further intervention by myself and that produced lots of neat stuff. Well, neat from my point of view.. Have Fun, Sends Steve P.S. The Little LIsper is great if you like Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwiches! :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] Drag 'n Drop recommendations
I'm implementing an app that uses drag 'n drop from the X window manager. Does anyone have a preferred (and hopefully non-window- manager-specific) method for this? Thanks. bob -- stop http://www.mainmatter.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] vm?!?
> I miss vm terribly! It was installed at GNU (yes, I know rms doesn't
> support it) but it is *MUCH* better than rmail and I am dying in elm.
> Where can I get the sources? I want it on my home system!
>
> ..Tami
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I'm not sure why RMS didn't support it officially; perhaps because it
uses RMAIL mode for its foundation functions, or perhaps because of
the way that Xemacs hogs the X server to display the bitmaps. In any
event, I've had experiences of VM munging mail when using both VM and
Gnus; but of course, ymmv. The home page of VM 6.75, the version
I have, is http://www.wonderworks.com/.
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Re: [techtalk] A good intro textbook for Linux
Well Raven, if you would like a students opinion. My college teaches it's Linux class with Mark G. Sobell's(www.sobell.com) "A Practical Guide to Linux". Our teacher who chose it was an Administrator for Sun, but decided to start teaching for a slightly slower paced job. Even though I had Linux installed on my laptop a year before the class, I still find the book very useful. The last chapter is almost 300 pages of documentation on common commands. I might also recomend letting all your students buy their own copy of RedHat, so they will all have a copy of the install booklet that comes with, which I also found very useful when I did my second few installs(being a typical male geek it never left the box at first). Chris Hargens [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] vm?!?
Not surprised you want to switch clients. Yours seems to be stuck in the past... > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 100 05:48:06 -0500 (EST) BTW, not only is that wrong, it's also illegal :( According to RFC822, the year part of a dates must be 2 digits (clever people wrote that one, eh ?) - but these days 4 digits is ok too. 3 isn't :) I'm only complaining cos you made the client I'm writing get it _completely_ wrong :) Rik -- Seek provisional truth. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] Mandrake NFS install
Ok...a friend is doing her first install on a Pentium Pro 200. She had a CD of Mandrake 6.5, but the burn was not good, so she FTP'd 7.0. Any suggestions as to how to do the NFS install (this is on a big, fast network (fiber backbone, 3Com NIC), so bandwidth will not be a problemJust need to know how to get the machine to look to the drive where the images are stored, and what exactly to load first. This machine has a 2GB drive, and the entire fileset that she downloaded is 1.6Gb...so she cannot copy it across form a DOS networdk bootdisk, unless there are particular files that she will needAny help is appreciated... Thanks in advance. ~JB __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Differences between linux distributions
On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 07:54:05AM -0500, Beverly Guillermo wrote: > On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Dan Nguyen wrote: > > > The "standard" way of doing it is to have the distribution install > > everything in /usr, while leaving it up to the user to install stuff > > in /usr/local > > I believe there is a way to change the installation directory using a RPM > option, is there not? Evul RPM > If not, you could always download the rpm-source file rather then > a regular rpm file and rebuild it so it does go to any directory you > want. I don't use RPMs... or SRPMs > > I really don't like /usr/local, infact I don't have any programs > > installed there. I tend to use /opt/, that way a quick rm > > -rf /opt/ will delete all trace of it. If it really is > > deserving to be installed on my system... it get's packaged, that way > > I can uninstall it when I get bored of it... > > I've never installed in the /opt directory. What about configuration > files, how does that put into effect for /opt? Most of the configuration > under /usr/local go into /usr/local/etc . Each package has a /opt//etc etc -- Dan Nguyen | It is with true love as it is with ghosts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | everyone talks of it, but few have seen it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| -Maxime De La Rochefoucauld 25 2F 99 19 6C C9 19 D6 1B 9F F1 E0 E9 10 4C 16 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Drag 'n Drop recommendations
#if Robert Kiesling > > I'm implementing an app that uses drag 'n drop from the X window > manager. Does anyone have a preferred (and hopefully non-window- > manager-specific) method for this? Thanks. bob XDnD - everything else is obsolete. Rik -- Watch your critical gaze slide into ironic self-consciousness. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Mandrake NFS install
Hi, Off the CD in the images dir you could rawrite the network.img to floppy and do it that way -- real easy just follow the prompts or go to : ftp://ftp.linux.tucows.com/pub/distributions/Mandrake/Mandrake/7.0/images/ and reteive it that way. hth, Phil At 16:21 22/02/00 +, you wrote: >Ok...a friend is doing her first install on a Pentium Pro 200. She had a >CD of Mandrake 6.5, but the burn was not good, so she FTP'd 7.0. > >Any suggestions as to how to do the NFS install (this is on a big, fast >network (fiber backbone, 3Com NIC), so bandwidth will not be a >problemJust need to know how to get the machine to look to the drive >where the images are stored, and what exactly to load first. This machine >has a 2GB drive, and the entire fileset that she downloaded is 1.6Gb...so >she cannot copy it across form a DOS networdk bootdisk, unless there are >particular files that she will needAny help is appreciated... > >Thanks in advance. >~JB >__ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > Phil V Savoie Sun Certified Sys Admin/Instructor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Learnix Ltd, a division of TMI 2650 Queensview Drive Suite 160, Ottawa, Ontario K2B 8H6 Tel: (613) 828-5007 ext. 4314 (Voice Mail Only) Fax: (613) 721-0599 http://www.learnix.com Remember! After we pull the pin, Mr. Grenade is *not* our friend. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] A good intro textbook for Linux
Heya -- > So, since I appear to be confused, what exactly are > you looking for in a Linux book? "Running Linux" is what I keep by my desk. I have nothing against the book at all; it's tremendously helpful. What I'm looking for is something that I can teach from in a systematic fashion. "Read Chapters Five and Six for next Monday" sort of thing. I am going to hold one class on how to find the answer when you don't know what to do next -- point them at some good online resources, and help them learn to diagnose and troubleshoot. But a lot of them are going to need a cohesive explanation of how the OS works, where it puts things when they're installed, what the filesystem's like, etc. I'm looking for a book that will explain that on a basic level. Some of the students in this class don't have much of a background beyond dial-up techsup -- and they haven't really gotten into why things work, just "make sure that TCP/IP is checked in that box" with no understanding of what TCP/IP is. One of the challenging things about this class is the wide range of backgrounds of my students. (The head of Tech Support, and some of the NOC gurus are in it -- and some really new people, too.) This has the possibility to be a great, dynamic environment for everyone. But I don't want to bore my gurus, or drown the newbies. I figured that one of the best ways to go about this is basic textbook, in-depth labs. They'll see the errors that occur, and why. I'm going to point them at "Running Linux" as a good reference, but I need something simple to start from. Hope that's a bit clearer. Thanks, all, for your interest and help. Cheers, Raven Alder = "And I know the world is cold but If you hold on tight to what you Find you might not mind too much though Even this must pass away..." -- The Sisters of Mercy, "Some Kind of Stranger" __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Drag 'n Drop recommendations
> XDnD - everything else is obsolete. Thanks, that looks like a good place to start. -- stop http://www.mainmatter.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Mandrake NFS install
On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 04:21:28PM +, J B wrote: > Ok...a friend is doing her first install on a Pentium Pro 200. She had a CD > of Mandrake 6.5, but the burn was not good, so she FTP'd 7.0. > > Any suggestions as to how to do the NFS install (this is on a big, fast > network (fiber backbone, 3Com NIC), so bandwidth will not be a > problemJust need to know how to get the machine to look to the drive > where the images are stored, and what exactly to load first. This machine > has a 2GB drive, and the entire fileset that she downloaded is 1.6Gb...so > she cannot copy it across form a DOS networdk bootdisk, unless there are > particular files that she will needAny help is appreciated... I recently helped with a bunch of network installs of MD7, and I think the easiest way to do this was using the ftp install. I'm assuming that because the box you are trying to install from can do NFS, it also probably has an ftp server (or could be set up for one in a pinch). You'll still need to make the boot disks for the install, but that should be in the documentation, I believe you just use the basic disks, but don't quote me on that one (someone else did this part of the installation, they weren't my boxes). -- Jeff -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/M/>P d-(pu) s+:- a17>? C++() L+++ UL@>$ P+ E--- W++@ N+ o? K++ w--- O? M V- PS+ PE(--)@ Y+@ PGP++ t+ 5 X++@ R++@ !tv@ b++ DI D- G e- h! r% y? --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- My Public Key -- http://24.5.73.229/pubkey.txt PGP signature
Re: [techtalk] Mandrake NFS install
#if J B > Any suggestions as to how to do the NFS install [...] Add the path to the mounted cdrom to /etc/exports on the server. Remember what it's called. Go to client, boot from installation floppy, tell it to install via NFS. Fill in IP and directory name. Boom ! Rik -- Integrate globally, disintegrate locally. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] Hmmm...
I'm a little new to the whole concept of linux etc. and I was wondering if it's always this overwhelming when trying to learn more about it through online communities? I'd post this question on the grrltalk mailing list, but I can't handle all of the emails from both that mailing list and this one. I hope this is specific enough for this forum. Ann __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Hmmm...
> I'm a little new to the whole concept of linux etc. and I was wondering if > it's always this overwhelming when trying to learn more about it through > online communities? I'd say as a rule, yes. No matter how much a list is aimed at the new user, a "newbie" is going to read most posts and say "What the fsck are they talking about?!? I just need to know what this whole disk partitioning thing is about." Or whatever. I know I did when I first joined a unix list. -- Jeramia Ory u·ni·ver·si·ty (n): Three square miles surrounded by reality [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Hmmm...
Hey Ann, It's like anything that's new. It always seems overwhelming at first, then you get the hang of out and BAM! it's as easy as pie. Harry Hoffman Product Systems Specialist Restaurants Unlimited Inc. 206.634.3082 x. 270 On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, lady crowe wrote: > I'm a little new to the whole concept of linux etc. and I was wondering if > it's always this overwhelming when trying to learn more about it through > online communities? I'd post this question on the grrltalk mailing list, > but I can't handle all of the emails from both that mailing list and this > one. > > I hope this is specific enough for this forum. > > Ann > __ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
