[techtalk] X emulator for X?
I know that the topic sounds wierd, but here's what I really meant: Some programs will only run in for example 604x480x8bpp. My screen works best in 1024x768x16bpp (it's a tft-screen), so is there a way to trick programs and make them run in a window, while believing that they run in full screen in their preffered resolution/color depth? I got Grim Fandango running (with very good speed and sound) with wine; but it only used the top left 640x480 pixels, and left the unused pixels blinking wildly. I would rather have it in a window, like quake.x11 does. Any other workarounds/solutions, like having a virtual extra screen that I can switch to? Thanks for reading, oxo Sunnan -- http://home.swipnet.se/sunnanvind Hjärtan och blomster etc etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] X emulator for X?
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Sunnanvind wrote: > I know that the topic sounds wierd, but here's what I really meant: > Some programs will only run in for example 604x480x8bpp. My screen works best > in 1024x768x16bpp (it's a tft-screen), so is there a way to trick programs and > make them run in a window, while believing that they run in full screen in > their preffered resolution/color depth? > I got Grim Fandango running (with very good speed and sound) with wine; but it > only used the top left 640x480 pixels, and left the unused pixels blinking > wildly. I would rather have it in a window, like quake.x11 does. You can start Xnest as an additional X server inside your X session, unfortunately you can only specify its geometry but not the color depth with XFree86 (I hope this changes with XF86-4.0): Xnest -geometry 640x480 :1 export DISPLAY=:1 program_you_want_to_run_in_640x480 & > Any other workarounds/solutions, like having a virtual extra screen that I can > switch to? You can easily run a second X server from a virtual console, but you can't specify a resolution for it (you have to configure /etc/X11/XF86Config to e.g. run 640x480 with 8bpp): Xwrapper -bpp 8 :1 # if you want, run a windowmanager: fvwm2 & program_you_want_to_run_in_8bpp & Hope this helps, Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Berliner Straße 39 / D-71229 Leonberg // +49.7152.209647 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] X emulator for X?
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote: > You can start Xnest as an additional X server inside your X session, > unfortunately you can only specify its geometry but not the color depth > with XFree86 (I hope this changes with XF86-4.0): > > Xnest -geometry 640x480 :1 > export DISPLAY=:1 > program_you_want_to_run_in_640x480 & Nn... I get the following error: [root@localhost Sunnan]# Xnest -geometry 640x480 :1 failed to set default font path '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/' Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' I hope this is a really silly problem that'll take 2 mins to solve? > Hope this helps, Thanks, and I'll check out the Xwrapper thingee later. Sunnan -- http://home.swipnet.se/sunnanvind Hjärtan och blomster etc etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] X emulator for X?
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Sunnanvind wrote: > [root@localhost Sunnan]# Xnest -geometry 640x480 :1 > failed to set default font path >'/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/' > Fatal server error: > could not open default font 'fixed' > > I hope this is a really silly problem that'll take 2 mins to solve? Err... it was. The embarrassing thing is that I solved it myself. Xnest has a -fp argument that needs to be set with unix/:-1 on my setup, dunno why. Sunnan (just posting trivia, it might help people in the future) -- http://home.swipnet.se/sunnanvind Hjärtan och blomster etc etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] Accessing multiple Samba shares
I have defined 2 shares in my smb.conf. When I try to access these shares from the NT box, I can access only USER1 home directory. For USER2, I always get the login dialog. I have used smbpasswd to add USER2, but still can't access it. How do I access USER2 account too? One other issue, is the umask for all the users on Linux is set to 027. All I can see for USER1, is some dot files. Nothing else. How do I get to list all the files in a share? This is my smb.conf # Global parameters [global] workgroup = TRAMP netbios name = myhost server string = myhost syslog only = yes log level = 2 log file = /var/log/samba.log max log size = 5 socket options = TCP_NODELAY IPTOS_LOWDELAY debug timestamp = yes security = user encrypt passwords = yes smb passwd file = /var/samba/private/smbpasswd unix realname = yes [homes] browseable = no map archive = yes map system = yes map hidden = yes create mask = 744 [user1] comment = %U Home Directory path = %H username = user1 valid users = user1 writeable = yes read only = no browseable = yes case sensitive = no [user2] comment = %U Home Directory path = %H username = user2 valid users = user2 writeable = yes read only = no Subba Rao [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pws.prserv.net/truemax/ => Time is relative. Here is a new way to look at time. <= http://www.smcinnovations.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] symlinks don't show up under windows...
Another question for anybody with Samba experience... I'm having trouble getting symbolic links to show up on my windows machines accessing my Samba shares. I'm also running netatalk+asun and the links show up fine on my mac as directories and seem to work perfectly. Any help? Thanks, Walt -~ Friendships, like marriages, are dependent on avoiding the unforgivable. John D. MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Generic Question
Folks How long does it take an average person to become a good systems and network administrator in Linux? I have pretty good understanding on general systems and network concepts. But, I am totally new to this unix world. I hope this is not a silly question. The irony is that I have got a job on Linux and I know nothing about it :-) I tried explaining this to the recruiter but he says he does not find any other hands and left with no other choice :-) I have just started off learning something on Linux. Any clues as to where I start, how I start, hours of work the experts here have put in to to reach that kind of techno. status? Cheers! Sriram _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Generic Question
Try Red Hat Linux for Dummies. It is by Maddog and is useful even for those if us who do know linux. Shirrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] X emulator for X?
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Sunnanvind wrote: > > I hope this is a really silly problem that'll take 2 mins to solve? > > Err... it was. The embarrassing thing is that I solved it myself. > Xnest has a -fp argument that needs to be set with unix/:-1 on my > setup, dunno why. Are you by chance using Red Hat Linux (if yes, which version? I ask because it uses the xfs font server by default in recent versions)? It should be configured to use the font server in /etc/X11/XF86Config, the relevant snippets are: --- 8< --- /etc/X11/XF86Config --- Section "Files" [...] FontPath "unix/:-1" [...] EndSection --- 8< --- All other font paths are commented out in mine. Xnest should use /etc/X11/XF86Config as well. Maybe you use an Xnest from a different version or a differently packages one (e.g. searching for XF86Config in /etc instead of /etc/X11 or vice versa). Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Berliner Straße 39 / D-71229 Leonberg // +49.7152.209647 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Generic Question
I have just started off learning something on Linux. Any clues as to where I start, how I start, hours of work the experts here have put in to to reach that kind of techno. status? You could try O'reilly's Running Linux and and Administrator's Guide Both are invaluable books for the newbie and the techno-god. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] X emulator for X?
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:06:13 +0100, Sunnanvind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >I know that the topic sounds wierd, but here's what I really meant: >Some programs will only run in for example 604x480x8bpp. My screen >works best in 1024x768x16bpp (it's a tft-screen), so is there a way >to trick programs and make them run in a window, while believing that >they run in full screen in their preffered resolution/color depth? You can probably do this with Xnest. Would be terribly inefficient, though. Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] X emulator for X?
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote: > Are you by chance using Red Hat Linux (if yes, which version? I ask > because it uses the xfs font server by default in recent versions)? Yep, 6.0. > It > should be configured to use the font server in /etc/X11/XF86Config, the > relevant snippets are: > > FontPath "unix/:-1" Yes, that's how I have it in my XF86Config - and that's how I figured what font path I should use for Xnest. > > All other font paths are commented out in mine. Xnest should use > /etc/X11/XF86Config as well. > > Maybe you use an Xnest from a different version or a differently packages > one (e.g. searching for XF86Config in /etc instead of /etc/X11 or vice > versa). Yes, probably... didn't have Xnest on my comp, but I installed it from the cd I installed RH from. Sunnan -- http://home.swipnet.se/sunnanvind Hjärtan och blomster etc et [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] X emulator for X?
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote: > You can probably do this with Xnest. Would be terribly inefficient, > though. That's how I'm doing it right now (hi, Nils!). Inefficient, how come? Works fine, I get my fave game (the best game ever, in my opinion) in a window, next to mail programs etc etc... Although slower in Xnest than it was when it screwed up my screen so how is a more efficient way of doing it? Only way is to start an Xsession with right resolution? I ran a top and wine had most of the percentage - Xnest not so much. Sunnan -- http://home.swipnet.se/sunnanvind Hjärtan och blomster etc etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Generic Question
"Tech Docs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The irony is that I have got a job on Linux and I know nothing about it :-) > I tried explaining this to the recruiter but he says he does not find any > other hands and left with no other choice :-) > > I have just started off learning something on Linux. Any clues as to where I > start, how I start, hours of work the experts here have put in to to reach > that kind of techno. status? I'm envious... :) I haven't been able to pass an interview for a computer related job, much less a system administration job, since I first graduated (must be that my degree isn't EE/CS). Early on there wasn't much documentation about Linux... so I had to use the standard Unix books to learn from. I seem to remember the Unix System V Administrators Guide by Stephen Kochan et al (I think to be pretty good)... A lot of the "Installation and Getting Started," the original Linux administrator's (it's on my web site, http://www.mainmatter.com, for free), deals with GNU/Unix commands, instead of the GNOME/KDE/Netscape type questions that are more common now. Olaf Kirch's Network Admin Guide has some pretty neat stuff in it, too. It's on the metalab.unc.edu archive or the LDP web site, http://www.linuxdoc.com/. I happen to like the Regular Expressions book from O'Reilly, because it provides some great examples of how to leverage text patterns to perform common tasks. Sort of like a "Tao of Regex's" Most of the other O'Reilly topics you can find free counterparts of if you look for them. Sorry, I sound like I'm rambling. You can pick up general system admin from any of the books out there. Linux is mostly System V-like in its user interface, with some BSD utilities (like the lpd suite of programs). Red Hat et al., have recently been veering of in some of the configuration details, but the system configurations still follows the System V conventions, basically. There are some skills that I'm not sure where they're documented... like telnetting in to a jammed-up POP server, or concocting a regular expression to adjust every users' ~/.profile. For specific, detailed differences between GNU utilities and the generic Unix counterparts, there are probably many more than anybody could enumerate... you just have to look at all of the relevant manual pages as they arise. Hope this gives you a start. At least you don't have to buy the whole O'Reilly catalog first. :) Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Generic Question
http://www.linuxdoc.org/ for LDP website. Hope everyone's Christmas was wonderful. Davida -Original Message- From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, December 27, 1999 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [techtalk] Generic Question > >"Tech Docs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> The irony is that I have got a job on Linux and I know nothing about it :-) >> I tried explaining this to the recruiter but he says he does not find any >> other hands and left with no other choice :-) >> >> I have just started off learning something on Linux. Any clues as to where I >> start, how I start, hours of work the experts here have put in to to reach >> that kind of techno. status? > >I'm envious... :) I haven't been able to pass an interview for a >computer related job, much less a system administration job, since I >first graduated (must be that my degree isn't EE/CS). > >Early on there wasn't much documentation about Linux... so I had to >use the standard Unix books to learn from. I seem to remember the >Unix System V Administrators Guide by Stephen Kochan et al (I think to >be pretty good)... A lot of the "Installation and Getting Started," >the original Linux administrator's (it's on my web site, >http://www.mainmatter.com, for free), deals with GNU/Unix commands, >instead of the GNOME/KDE/Netscape type questions that are more common >now. Olaf Kirch's Network Admin Guide has some pretty neat stuff in >it, too. It's on the metalab.unc.edu archive or the LDP web site, >http://www.linuxdoc.com/. > >I happen to like the Regular Expressions book from O'Reilly, because >it provides some great examples of how to leverage text patterns to >perform common tasks. Sort of like a "Tao of Regex's" Most of the >other O'Reilly topics you can find free counterparts of if you look >for them. > >Sorry, I sound like I'm rambling. You can pick up general system admin >from any of the books out there. Linux is mostly System V-like in its >user interface, with some BSD utilities (like the lpd suite of programs). >Red Hat et al., have recently been veering of in some of the configuration >details, but the system configurations still follows the System V >conventions, basically. > >There are some skills that I'm not sure where they're documented... >like telnetting in to a jammed-up POP server, or concocting a >regular expression to adjust every users' ~/.profile. > >For specific, detailed differences between GNU utilities and the >generic Unix counterparts, there are probably many more than anybody >could enumerate... you just have to look at all of the relevant >manual pages as they arise. > >Hope this gives you a start. At least you don't have to buy >the whole O'Reilly catalog first. :) > >Robert > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] odd problems
Remember my machine A and machine B problems of a couple weeks ago? I've got more *g*. Lots more. I'm sleepy, and there are a lot of problems so if something seems confused, ask. If nothing else, looking at the problems again with an eye to providing useful details would help me learn what to look for cause I'm sure to run into this kind of stuff again. As a refresher machine A has a modem working under Win95, runs linux, has an ethernet card that currently doesn't run under linux and now can mount vfat filesystems under linux. Oh and it runs X handily. Machine B has an ethernet card that currently doesn't run under linux, is linux only, and doesn't run X as well as I'd like. The current ultimate goal is to get these two lovely machines networked so various bits of software (like the kernel!) can be upgraded. Both systems are using Mandrake 6.0 on the linux side of the box. However, there are other goals, and thus other interesting problems. Machine B has 3 accounts set up (root, my personal account and an account for my sister to play games on). Root can run Gnome and Nethack for Gnome. I can run Gnome and Nethack for Gnome. My sister the nethack addict cannot run Gnome or Nethack for Gnome. This is kind of bad, because the entire reason I made an account for her is so she wouldn't pester me so she could play nethack. The original permissions on her account differed from the permissions on my personal account. Modifying the permissions to match those on my account did not allow her to play Nethack or run Gnome. I'm fresh out of ideas, so if anyone has suggestions, I'll gladly try them. I have a sneaking suspicion the skeleton files for creating new user accounts might not be set up right, but I could be totally wrong too. Error messages can be provided upon request. Machine B is also refusing to let my personal account access to the CDROM drive, at least under Gnome. This behavior started after the last reboot. Said reboot happened because X had a password protected screensaver up that wouldn't recognize my password, tho it had done so for several days previously... I switched to a console, logged in as root and told the machine to reboot properly. Now it recognizes my password but doesn't let me access the CDROM drive. Somehow, I'm not sure this is a good tradeoff. I haven't the faintest idea what I might have changed either... Before yesterday, I probably hadn't touched the poor machine for 4-6 days. Suggestions that don't result in urges to bang my head against poured concrete walls are welcome. Even suggestions on what to test would be useful. Don't tell me to do things like change setuid bits at random... I'm more interested in advice in tracking down what exactly is messed up. After all, I would *think* I could type the password on my personal account, so the screensaver should have let me in. Machine A has some problems too. The most pressing is printing. It's hooked up to two printers, an Epson LQ-570+ which prints beautifully no matter which printer port it is hooked up to, and a Hewlett Packard Deskjet 820 CSe which won't print no matter which printer port it is hooked up to. In fact, Linux does not appear to see the HP at all, and it seems to be refusing to see more than one printer port at a time. Under Win95 both printers will print. I've attempted to configure the printers using Redhat's printtool software (version numbers availible upon request), and gotten halfway to somewhere cause the Epson will print. I'd just like to get the rest of the way there. I have a sneaking suspicion that a) printtool will only handle one printer or b) the HP is a windows only printer and won't work under linux even like a stupider printer or c) there's some kind of hardware conflict involving the printer ports. Since the HP is due for retirement, news that it needs to be replaced with a not windows only printer will not be taken as cause for hari-kiri. News that it will work under linux would be nice tho *g*. I have yet to make any progress on Machine A's modem or ethernet card. I think I need to track down a manual for the modem. As for the ethernet card, I probably could use a manual, some sleep, and some time to mess around with it with the NET-3-HOWTO and Running Linux by my side. Machine B's ethernet card isn't working either. Some machine downtime to write down relevant bits and pieces off the card, plus some more of the same stuff as for the other card should fix it tho. Emily, who apologizes for the length and lack of organization of this post [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Generic Question
Tech Docs wrote: > > How long does it take an average person to become a good systems and network > administrator in Linux? > > The irony is that I have got a job on Linux and I know nothing about it :-) > I tried explaining this to the recruiter but he says he does not find any > other hands and left with no other choice :-) There's a major shortage of good personell in all computing fields - especially the truly technical. > I have just started off learning something on Linux. Any clues as to where I > start, how I start, hours of work the experts here have put in to to reach > that kind of techno. status? To be able to manage a system on my own: reading a good book on it (eg, one of the O'Rielly's) and having it to hand. To be a /good/ Unix person - to reach semi-guru status? A year or three. To reach guru status? Well, several years ago I was awarded that accolade by other local gurus. But I got sick, lost access to the machines, and got all rusty. I can knock the rust off, probably, but I expect it to take me a year or so to get up-to-date and pick up where I was. Your main tools, other than a good book on Linux administration (and you're entitled to demand a good small library on it from your employer!), include 'man -k' and top. Ping and traceroute and tracepath if you're networking (don't forget netstat, ifconfig and route!). A Unix system is designed from the ground up to be a multiuser system. This makes its core design quite different from basically single-user OSs. Exactly how is probably beyond the scope of a single email! Jenn V. -- "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion reactor. This is women's work!" Helix, Freefall. http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/ Jenn Vesperman[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simegen.com/~jenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] X emulator for X?
On Mon, 27 Dec 1999, Sunnanvind wrote: > > Maybe you use an Xnest from a different version or a differently packages > > one (e.g. searching for XF86Config in /etc instead of /etc/X11 or vice > > versa). > > Yes, probably... didn't have Xnest on my comp, but I installed it from > the cd I installed RH from. Hmm, what does `rpm -q XFree86 XFree86-Xnest` give? You could also run strace on Xnest: strace -o strace.out Xnest -geometry 640x480 :1 (the output will be in the file strace.out) But don't post the strace output directly to the list, it'll be quite huge. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Berliner Straße 39 / D-71229 Leonberg // +49.7152.209647 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
Re: [techtalk] Generic Question
thanks Robert and good luck to u :-) Cheers! Sriram - Original Message - From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [techtalk] Generic Question > > "Tech Docs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > The irony is that I have got a job on Linux and I know nothing about it :-) > > I tried explaining this to the recruiter but he says he does not find any > > other hands and left with no other choice :-) > > > > I have just started off learning something on Linux. Any clues as to where I > > start, how I start, hours of work the experts here have put in to to reach > > that kind of techno. status? > > I'm envious... :) I haven't been able to pass an interview for a > computer related job, much less a system administration job, since I > first graduated (must be that my degree isn't EE/CS). > > Early on there wasn't much documentation about Linux... so I had to > use the standard Unix books to learn from. I seem to remember the > Unix System V Administrators Guide by Stephen Kochan et al (I think to > be pretty good)... A lot of the "Installation and Getting Started," > the original Linux administrator's (it's on my web site, > http://www.mainmatter.com, for free), deals with GNU/Unix commands, > instead of the GNOME/KDE/Netscape type questions that are more common > now. Olaf Kirch's Network Admin Guide has some pretty neat stuff in > it, too. It's on the metalab.unc.edu archive or the LDP web site, > http://www.linuxdoc.com/. > > I happen to like the Regular Expressions book from O'Reilly, because > it provides some great examples of how to leverage text patterns to > perform common tasks. Sort of like a "Tao of Regex's" Most of the > other O'Reilly topics you can find free counterparts of if you look > for them. > > Sorry, I sound like I'm rambling. You can pick up general system admin > from any of the books out there. Linux is mostly System V-like in its > user interface, with some BSD utilities (like the lpd suite of programs). > Red Hat et al., have recently been veering of in some of the configuration > details, but the system configurations still follows the System V > conventions, basically. > > There are some skills that I'm not sure where they're documented... > like telnetting in to a jammed-up POP server, or concocting a > regular expression to adjust every users' ~/.profile. > > For specific, detailed differences between GNU utilities and the > generic Unix counterparts, there are probably many more than anybody > could enumerate... you just have to look at all of the relevant > manual pages as they arise. > > Hope this gives you a start. At least you don't have to buy > the whole O'Reilly catalog first. :) > > Robert > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org > __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[techtalk] sound woes
Hello, Perhaps some of you folks could help me out with my sound issue. I downloaded and installed the latest kernel, and now I have system sound, but I can't get mp3's to play. I can't get anything from any sound application except if I play the CD-rom. I've toyed with the settings and can't for the life of me figure it out. I am running corel/debian, and trying with xmms and mp123. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!! Join my new unofficial mailing list for corel linux users!!! Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List owner: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ SignUP For your CorelCity FREE email at http://www.corelcity.com Be one of the first to download the Corel® LINUX® desktop operating system! Goto http://Linux.corel.com today!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
