Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione numeri di telefono su Osmose
Francesco Ansanelli wrote > È attiva da ieri la validazione dei numeri di telefono su Osmose. > I numeri verdi (toll-free), gli 800, vengono segnalati come errati se in > formato internazionale... > Visto che non dovrebbero funzionare le chiamate da estero, ho pensato che > il +39 non è corretto, va bene per tutti? > Prima di iniziare a correggere, vorrei raccogliere qualche feedback... Un altro utile controllo di Osmose, grazie. Se i numeri verdi funzionano soltanto dall'Italia però leggendo in [1] non dovrebbe essere phone:IT=800xx? Inoltre, prendiamo ad esempio i punti Enel che erano stati importati; ha senso che ciascuno di essi abbia come phone il numero verde dell'Enel, che non è quindi relativo al singolo ufficio? Ciao, Gianluca [1] = https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone#Support_for_multiple_countries -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Italy-General-f5324174.html ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt
To whom it may concern,
Sorry I can't write in Italian.
We recently created a small Geneva based NGO called European Water Project
which has a mission to contribute to reducing single use plastic-waste at a
global level.
Our project is 100% open data, collaborative and a bit experimental. We
have developed a map based Progressive Web Application available in 8
languages (including Italian) which allows one to locate the nearest water
points. You will be able to fill your water bottle and drink for free,
without generating disposable plastic waste. We are starting with drinking
fountains, but will branch out to cafés, bars and restaurants willing to
refill reusable water bottles for free.
At European Water Project, we believe that everyone should have the ability
to drink water wherever they are without creating single use waste plastic.
This Progressive Web App, available in 8 languages, was purposefully
developed outside the Google / Apple store. You can download it here, if of
interest, https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT on your desktop or
telephone’s browser (Safari for IOS).
With the help of Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap Spain, France and Switzerland
and a bunch of friends we have developed instructions for adding photos
into Wikimedia Commons and new fountains into OpenStreetMap in 8 languages
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Project/European_Water_Project/it
The reason I am writing you is that with the foundation My-D.org, we are
organizing a drinking fountain hunt in late April in Rome and wanted to
know if anyone on the ground might want to participate - and help out. The
idea is to add photos of drinking fountains to Wikimedia Commons and link
them to either existing fountains already present in OpenStreetMap and add
with their photos any missing modern fountains ("amenity=drinking_water")
or older fountains ("amenity=fountain && drinking_water=yes") to
OpenStreetMap.
Best regards,¨
Stuart
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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione numeri di telefono su Osmose
Il dom 19 gen 2020, 18:54 totera ha scritto: > Francesco Ansanelli wrote > > È attiva da ieri la validazione dei numeri di telefono su Osmose. > > I numeri verdi (toll-free), gli 800, vengono segnalati come errati se in > > formato internazionale... > > Visto che non dovrebbero funzionare le chiamate da estero, ho pensato che > > il +39 non è corretto, va bene per tutti? > > Prima di iniziare a correggere, vorrei raccogliere qualche feedback... > > Un altro utile controllo di Osmose, grazie. Prego 😃 > > Se i numeri verdi funzionano soltanto dall'Italia però leggendo in [1] non > dovrebbe essere phone:IT=800xx? > Si. Ma visto che "phone" con uso generico, dovrebbe sempre andare bene... Non è obbligatorio usare phone:IT. Per phone:IT, al momento, si perde la validazione. Inoltre alcuni numeri verdi si possono chiamare solo da certi prefissi... Nemmeno da tutta Italia... > > > Inoltre, prendiamo ad esempio i punti Enel che erano stati importati; ha > senso che ciascuno di essi abbia come phone il numero verde dell'Enel, che > non è quindi relativo al singolo ufficio? > Si possono anche mettere entrambi... Ciao, > Gianluca > > [1] = > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:phone#Support_for_multiple_countries > > > > -- > Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Italy-General-f5324174.html > > ___ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it > ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt
Hello Stuart, I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what the project aims to. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt
Hi Giovanni, Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars. And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic. I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue. Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the wikidata item number added to the OSM node? Best regards, Stuart On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni wrote: > Hello Stuart, > > I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what the > project aims to. > > > ___ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it > ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt
Hi Stuart, Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Hi Giovanni, > > Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as > possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars. > > And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic. > > I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which > shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue. > > Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the > wikidata item number added to the OSM node? > How about using mapillary for your task? In future water taps could be automatically recognised... Cheers Francesco > Best regards, > > Stuart > > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni > wrote: > >> Hello Stuart, >> >> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what >> the project aims to. >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-it mailing list >> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >> > ___ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it > ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt
Hi Francesco, That's a good idea we should look into it. Thanks, Stuart On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 21:43 Francesco Ansanelli wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> Hi Giovanni, >> >> Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as >> possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars. >> >> And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic. >> >> I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which >> shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue. >> >> Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the >> wikidata item number added to the OSM node? >> > > How about using mapillary for your task? In future water taps could be > automatically recognised... > Cheers > Francesco > > > >> Best regards, >> >> Stuart >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Stuart, >>> >>> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what >>> the project aims to. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-it mailing list >>> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >>> >> ___ >> Talk-it mailing list >> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >> > ___ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it > ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt
European Water Project wrote: > https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT you may want to have the Italian translation checked, "zucca" means pumpkin: Adotta una zucca Riempire la zucca con fontanelle -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt
Daniele, That is funny :) A direct translation from "gourdes" in French. I thought we had that checked Thank you, Stuart On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 22:03 Daniele Forsi wrote: > European Water Project wrote: > > > https://europeanwaterproject.org?lang=IT > > you may want to have the Italian translation checked, "zucca" means > pumpkin: > Adotta una zucca > Riempire la zucca con fontanelle > > > -- > Daniele Forsi > > ___ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it > ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt
The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for refill as a cyclist and RV user. But still, since project aims to have a comprehensive map of drinking/refilling places, I wonder why a photo approach has been chosen. Maybe a point-click-upload is more sexy than a boring survey app? Or prospect to see your image online can trigger a sort of gamification? Or both? Of course photos (mapillary, openstreetcam, commons or whatever) are not an issue, but I don't think they will add more value to simple OSM nodes with approprieate tags (BTW bottle=yes|no is important). Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Hi Giovanni, > > Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as > possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars. > > And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic. > > I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which > shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue. > > Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the > wikidata item number added to the OSM node? > > Best regards, > > Stuart > > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni > wrote: > >> Hello Stuart, >> >> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what >> the project aims to. >> >> >> ___ >> Talk-it mailing list >> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >> > ___ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it > ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt
sent from a phone
> On 19. Jan 2020, at 18:55, European Water Project
> wrote:
>
> With the help of Wikimedia and OpenStreetMap Spain, France and Switzerland
> and a bunch of friends we have developed instructions for adding photos into
> Wikimedia Commons and new fountains into OpenStreetMap in 8 languages
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Project/European_Water_Project/it
>
great initiative, as a small note, you are distinguishing (Italian version)
between modern and antique fountains, but the common distinction in
OpenStreetMap is between decorative (amenity=fountain) and functional or at
least not really a fountain by size (amenity drinking water). I would also
encourage people to add the fountain=* subtag.
>
> The reason I am writing you is that with the foundation My-D.org, we are
> organizing a drinking fountain hunt in late April in Rome and wanted to know
> if anyone on the ground might want to participate - and help out. The idea is
> to add photos of drinking fountains to Wikimedia Commons and link them to
> either existing fountains already present in OpenStreetMap and add with their
> photos any missing modern fountains ("amenity=drinking_water") or older
> fountains ("amenity=fountain && drinking_water=yes") to OpenStreetMap.
I’ll try to be there.
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Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione numeri di telefono su Osmose
sent from a phone > On 19. Jan 2020, at 18:54, totera wrote: > > Inoltre, prendiamo ad esempio i punti Enel che erano stati importati; ha > senso che ciascuno di essi abbia come phone il numero verde dell'Enel, che > non è quindi relativo al singolo ufficio? forse in questo caso sarebbe meglio contact:phone visto che non è il loro telefono ma soltanto un numero per entrare in contatto. ;-) Ciao Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione numeri di telefono su Osmose
sent from a phone > On 19. Jan 2020, at 19:50, Francesco Ansanelli wrote: > > Per phone:IT, al momento, si perde la validazione. possono sempre migliorare ;-) > Inoltre alcuni numeri verdi si possono chiamare solo da certi prefissi... > Nemmeno da tutta Italia... potrebbe essere un secondo livello, per esempio chiamabile da Milano phone:IT:02=* (se va per prefisso telefonico) Ciao Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione numeri di telefono su Osmose
Il dom 19 gen 2020, 23:37 Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 19. Jan 2020, at 19:50, Francesco Ansanelli > wrote: > > > > Per phone:IT, al momento, si perde la validazione. > > > possono sempre migliorare ;-) > Quello sempre. Visto che non ero sicuro che si fosse tutti d'accordo, non l'avevo ancora gestito. > > > > Inoltre alcuni numeri verdi si possono chiamare solo da certi > prefissi... Nemmeno da tutta Italia... > > > potrebbe essere un secondo livello, per esempio chiamabile da Milano > phone:IT:02=* > (se va per prefisso telefonico) > Il numero verde è un centralino che indirizza le chiamate in base al prefisso del chiamante. Avevo scritto quello solo per dire che può essere ancora più stringente, meglio solo usare le note se si vuole indicare orario in cui chiamate o limitazioni per reti fisse o mobili. > > Ciao Martin > ___ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it > ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Segnalazione numeri di telefono su Osmose
Il dom 19 gen 2020, 23:34 Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 19. Jan 2020, at 18:54, totera wrote: > > > > Inoltre, prendiamo ad esempio i punti Enel che erano stati importati; ha > > senso che ciascuno di essi abbia come phone il numero verde dell'Enel, > che > > non è quindi relativo al singolo ufficio? > > > forse in questo caso sarebbe meglio contact:phone visto che non è il loro > telefono ma soltanto un numero per entrare in contatto. > ;-) > Ma "contact:" non è solo un namespace del tag? Come "addr:" che di per sé non aggiunge nulla, ma da un contesto ai tag e li raggruppa. Ad esempio: "housenumber" non è meno indicativo di "addr:housenumber". Ciao Francesco Ciao Martin > ___ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it > ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] European Water Project -- Rome April 24th Fountain Hunt
Dear Giovanni, A bit of feedback on the genesis of the project - I am sorry if this email rambles and is off topic. I promise not to repeat as this forum is for OSM. In Divonne-les-bains, France, our mayor and a developer from Perpignan had a project to build a water bottling project to bottle 400 million bottles of water in PET for export to Asia. About 1-year ago, I got very involved and with a couple of others we created a non-profit association called StopEmbouteillage. Initally, the vast majority of Divonnais and everyone from the municipal council supported the project. After months of hard work by a large group of active members (more than 7000 flyers passed out), legal action from Swiss authorities just across the border, and a media presence (TV, radio, press, social media) we were successful in changing the opinion dramatically. The mayor had no choice but to kill the project or deal with a riot among the citizens and council members. Through the process of managing the FB page for the association, I learned how critical the plastic situation on our planet really is. I won't go on too long on this subject, but in addition to multiple 7th continents of plastic in the Pacific which everyone talks about, the micro-plastics in the Mediterranean are rivers and lakes is incredibly high. According to recent studies, on average everyone of us is ingesting about 5 grams of plastic per week, in our fish, meat, vegetables and water. I decided to try to help make a difference with this project ... even in a small symbolic way. In September, when visiting my son graduating from the University of Bristol, inn the UK, we noticed water fountains everywhere with a Refill label and many cafés which had the same. After many discussions, we decided not to partner with Refill due to their insistence on keeping all data proprietary and being obliged to sell Chilly bottles. I believe that an open data collaborative model is better suited for the task of building and maintaining a global database of potable water bottle refill stations. On the 8th of January, we had the chance to be able to launch our project and application at the United Nations in front of 800 students for 32 countries in the presence of Fabrizio Hochshild, Assistant Secretary-General of the United Nations and Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Doreen Bogdan-Martin, Director of the Telecommunication Development Bureau of the ITU. Now, to answer your question - which is a very good one. The photo approach has been chosen in large part to build user engagement and make the application more interactive. Adding hundred's of photos of standard fountains is not the goal... But here in France and across the border in Switzerland we have quite a few beautiful stone ones with enormous character. I have heard wonders about the fountains in Italy and I am looking forward to discovering for myself. We plan to visit Zaragoza, Spain later this year. Zurich, Lucerne and Bern, Switzerland are very active as well. Best regards, Stuart On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 23:11, Cascafico Giovanni wrote: > The project is really interesting: I often needed to find places for > refill as a cyclist and RV user. But still, since project aims to have a > comprehensive map of drinking/refilling places, I wonder why a photo > approach has been chosen. > Maybe a point-click-upload is more sexy than a boring survey app? Or > prospect to see your image online can trigger a sort of gamification? Or > both? > > Of course photos (mapillary, openstreetcam, commons or whatever) are not > an issue, but I don't think they will add more value to simple OSM nodes > with approprieate tags (BTW bottle=yes|no is important). > > > > > > > Il dom 19 gen 2020, 21:37 European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> Hi Giovanni, >> >> Our main goal is to get as many refill points for water bottles as >> possible on the map, either fountains or participating café and bars. >> >> And then to get people to use them and stop buying plastic. >> >> I am not sure why adding photos of fountains to Wikimedia commons which >> shows the fountain in its spacial context is an issue. >> >> Would you prefer the photos be linked to wikidata items and then have the >> wikidata item number added to the OSM node? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Stuart >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 19, 2020, 20:52 Cascafico Giovanni >> wrote: >> >>> Hello Stuart, >>> >>> I think collecting hundreds of (similar) photos is not useful for what >>> the project aims to. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-it mailing list >>> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >>> >> ___ >> Talk-it mailing list >> Talk-it@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it >> > ___ > Talk-it mailing list > Talk-it@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/l
