Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

[Gerd Petermann]

good points, I should have written traffic_information=* instead of 
information=*


I also like the idea to separate advisory traffic signs from others, presuming 
that the laws

are clear about this.

We have several different tags like highway=distance_sign, highway=rock_slide, 
highway=motorway_sign

etc. on nodes which are probably all informational traffic signs.


Maybe we should move this discussion to the "More human readable values for 
traffic sings" thread?


Gerd


Von: johnw 
Gesendet: Montag, 2. November 2015 08:52
An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Betreff: Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?


I think the first group is not a traffic_sign=*, it is information=*

Considering the sign is purely for motorist, not tourists, I think it is still 
very much a traffic sign. But traffic_sign has no framework for non-law signs.

no one is going to go find this sign to check something - it is only relevant 
information for passing motorists.

A rest stop with a map of the area and tourist pamphlets is most certainly 
information=*



There are all kinds of non-speed road condition traffic signs - slippery when 
wet, beware falling rock, warning animal crossing (deer boar, monkey, and 
Tanuki in Japan), and other static traffic signs we would see on a motorway, 
but I don't think anyone would put them in information=*  - these matrix signs 
are the same thing, but updated to show current conditions. They are still very 
much traffic signs.


Perhaps traffic_sign:advisory=* needs to be made.
Those signs I mentioned are not in the wiki, nor are the common temperature 
signs found on roadways in the mountains (which seem to be very different from 
the information=* ones.
these matrix displays can go in there too.

Traffic_sign:advisory=digital_signboard (no acronyms).


Something like that.

and the rest of the advisory signs can have a home too, for the micromappers.

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

I propose to use some "area:highway" value for these diagonally hatched parts 
of the asphalt, e.g. keep_off

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-11-01 23:00 GMT+01:00 Andrew MacKinnon :

> I have being using guidepost=vms



isn't a guidepost a sign that indicates directions for specific
destinations, eventually with distance indications? The matrix signs I had
in mind show information like "travel time to XY 20 minutes" (there's some
of these on major arterial roads in Rome to give you an indication about
the current traffic density), or the say stuff like "don't drink and
drive", "drive careful", "use seat belts", "happy christmas", etc.

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Re: [Tagging] Often seen tagging problems regarding junctions

[Richard Mann]

It's been the advice for a long time to use a node. Some data users will
expect a node.

I use both a way and a node, because I can make good use of the way.

Looks like someone has set up a preset that does the way and not the node.
That's not ideal, because some data users will expect the node to be marked.

The normal response is to leave data users to figure it out.

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

[Dave Swarthout]

There are risky pedestrian controlled signals here too. The way they work
is that if and only if there is a pedestrian waiting to cross, you slow
down or stop your vehicle to let him or her cross the street. Then, without
waiting for the green light to appear or the audio tones to end, you
immediately start going again. Crazy, but it does seem to work. In the
U.S., as in Germany I gather from Gerd's comment, you would be ticketed and
fined heavily for that sort of behavior.

As for the painted "islands", I have always ignored those completely
because IMO it would serve no useful purpose to map them. Maybe I'm wrong.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
wrote:

> I propose to use some "area:highway" value for these diagonally hatched
> parts of the asphalt, e.g. keep_off
>
> cheers
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Re: [Tagging] Often seen tagging problems regarding junctions

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-11-02 8:15 GMT+01:00 Gerd Petermann :

> okay, what do you use when there are traffic lights at a zebra crossing?
> Or let's say what would you recommend?
>


I use the traffic lights value. It is very common here (if not all
crossings are like that) to have zebra markings at traffic light controlled
pedestrian crossings. Unless your router knows whether the traffic lights
are on or off, it doesn't matter, and even if you knew the lights were off,
they still  might have a similar meaning then a zebra crossing (i.e. with
the yellow light flashing).

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

[GerdP]

Dave Swarthout wrote
> As for the painted "islands", I have always ignored those completely
> because IMO it would serve no useful purpose to map them. Maybe I'm wrong.

+1

As I wrote before in other threads, I try to clean up the highway tags,
so my primary goal is to change those ways which are tagged 
highway=*, so I'd be happy to find a good replacement instead of 
removing them all.

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-11-02 10:36 GMT+01:00 GerdP :

> +1
>
> As I wrote before in other threads, I try to clean up the highway tags,
> so my primary goal is to change those ways which are tagged
> highway=*, so I'd be happy to find a good replacement instead of
> removing them all.
>


these are clearly areas, so the highway-tag seems inappropriate (is about
linear connection graphs), but these are details that might be interesting
when mapping highways (additionally) as areas...

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-11-02 10:26 GMT+01:00 Dave Swarthout :

> In the U.S., as in Germany I gather from Gerd's comment, you would be
> ticketed and fined heavily for that sort of behavior.



it depends. One of the very few things western Germany took from the
eastern German inventions after the reunification was the "green arrow", a
sign that let's you pass the red light if you turn right and there are no
pedestrians (and not crossing traffic).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Gr%C3%BCner_Pfeil.jpg
http://www.ruhrnachrichten.de/storage/pic/mdhl/artikelbilder/lokales/rn/dolo/do-luedo/1468315_1_grner_pfeil_dpa.jpg?version=1386810308

Germans are typically very disciplined towards rules anyway, (almost)
nobody will cross a red light on purpose, not even at 3 a.m. with noone
around and in the middle of nowhere.

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag a "overhead electronic display" ?

[johnw]

> On Nov 2, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
>  "travel time to XY 20 minutes"


On Japan’s tollways, this is often done with a single-purpose sign with a 
variable number, and different color of the numbers to indicate delay time. 

As Japan’s tollway system is really built up, there are a lot of variable and 
and matrix signs that I have not really seen in the US, (and I have no idea 
about Europe), so here’s some examples of signs I see every time on the tollway 
- these are from a small section of tollway coming out of Tokyo. 

so if we are going to have “variable” be a value, these are the kinds of signs 
that I would expect to find (and have =variable if quantitative data). 

 - static motorway signs displaying variable information

Upcoming traffic jams (between exit 4 and 1).
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.978574,139.380073,3a,19y,181.36h,94.25t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s-lAuTWLqqcp3icYdDNdWkQ!2e0
 


traffic on the Tokyo downtown expressways
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.803439,139.53568,3a,55.7y,128.85h,99.19t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sjCYjDLHWm2WjvgAtmY-qeQ!2e0
 

 

Upcoming service area & parking areas status ( empty / busy / full )
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.958085,139.382156,3a,23.7y,327.77h,100.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sm6vOYbSACGMdcat0meaqQw!2e0
 


Travel time to the next exits:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.956195,139.383457,3a,55.4y,318.43h,104.41t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sImGDgsiePLYiDKhw0nlwiA!2e0
 

#11 Maebashi:  40 minutes - green - so no delay.

Speed limit sign 
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.908155,139.44802,3a,37y,307.75h,92.21t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s9-I1yl--QbxjMsYgbYzrNA!2e0
 



- Matrix / digital display signs. 

Digital display sign (with yellow and red flashing lights)
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.949678,139.393634,3a,67.2y,125.52h,87.62t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sSQkcM7iVZoz8xDu6dFZksw!2e0
 


2 in a set, one for each direction of upcoming junction
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.923416,139.412672,3a,67.2y,339.09h,92.34t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxHnCHMPFZTqfOfvJn04-ag!2e0
 

 



- other electronic signs in places around east Japan: 

“left tunnel” and “right tunnel” status
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.34082,139.160737,3a,67.2y,312.15h,81.81t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1seTaA7hC3o6TzDeTMpl6GZA!2e0
 


(tunnel status signs are a big thing here, almost every tunnel over a 1KM has 
one, and thats a ton of tunnels... 

Also - traffic signals on a motorway (usually green or off) for tunnel access 
control - they can stop traffic if there is an earthquake / severe accident / 
tunnel fire. 
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.472914,138.197014,3a,23.7y,289.94h,92.11t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1seJ-2pfwU2WN0q6snyDf0uw!2e0
 


Stand-alone Temperature on mountain trunk roads
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.614074,138.589968,3a,23.7y,190.21h,95.3t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sqXlkT8epGouYgCGG72cd5A!2e0
 


being replaced by matrix signs on the same trunk road 
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.55772,138.612004,3a,79.3y,295.48h,86.11t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdW18Ryk5k4D7E8jO_vqi5g!2e0
 

 

And a radiation measurement sign (from Fukushima disaster) on the Joban 
expressway.
http://www.fukushimaminponews.com/news.html?id=438 


And for fun, a (static) monkey warning sign
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.343032,138.735866,3a,29.6y,270.73h,93.81t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sfvQZvOYh2QgqSllBRICrkQ!2e0
 



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Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

[johnw]

> On Nov 2, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  
> wrote:
> 
> a sign that let's you pass the red light if you turn right and there are no 
> pedestrians (and not crossing traffic).

In America, turning right on a red signal is usually allowed (unless you spot a 
rare “no turn on red sign”), and in California there is very little pedestrian 
traffic, so people turning right do rolling stops into most intersections 
hoping it is clear so they can make the turn without stopping at all - just 
like they do at all stop signs. 

In Japan, there is no moving on red signals ever, as the narrow roads and huge 
numbers of people walking and biking (the wrong way in the road) make it super 
dangerous. 

As a California driver, waiting infuriated me at first, but once you feel the 
pressure of having to “move” (for the other people trying to also turn right) 
lifted off of you, it is quite relaxing - red is stop, and there is nothing I 
can do about it, so take a sip of water and relax. 

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

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On Mon Nov 2 07:35:03 2015 GMT, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> off topic:
> Yes, I also learned that in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. 
> Zebra crossing seem to have no meaning, red lights
> at pedestrian crossings are ignored as long as it possible
> to cross before or after the pedestrian. Sounds dangerous, 
> but seemed to work fine for everybody ;-)
> 
> I think there is a general pattern:
> In Germany almost no one dares to ignore a traffic light,
> most people also stop at a stop sign, at least they slow down
> to ~ 5 kmh. 
> I cycled a lot of countries in Europe, and I noticed that 
> in other countries a stop sign is  placed nearly everywhere,
> which seems to have the effect that everybody treats it like
> a "watch out" hint, not more.
> 
Stop signs are relatively rare in the UK and are only used on difficult/more 
dangerous junctions. The most common sign used at junctions is a give way. When 
driving in other countries I have found stop to be over used.

Phil (trigpoint)
> 
> 
> 
> Von: Martin Koppenhoefer 
> Gesendet: Montag, 2. November 2015 08:15
> An: daveswarth...@gmail.com; Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?
> 
> sent from a phone
> 
> > Am 02.11.2015 um 00:36 schrieb Dave Swarthout :
> >
> > Pedestrians are pretty much on their own here in Thailand. Even where there 
> > are zebra crossings motorists don't stop or even slow down.
> 
> 
> it's the same in Italy, at least in the central and southern parts. You 
> better watch out when crossing a road at a zebra crossing (sometimes also at 
> traffic light controlled crossings, e.g. in Naples)
> 
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - aeroway=heliport

[Dave F.]

I'm not convinced that the perfect tag for this place is helipad. If there is 
no H-painting and (like I understand you), no lights or any other signs, I'd 
not use the helipad tag. Are there vertical signs for people (s.th. like: 
careful while helicopters land / no access or similar) near the spot? What 
makes this spot a helipad then in your eyes, helicopters landing frequently?


With the truly awful driving skills in the area, yes, all too frequently.

Just because it has no H marking or other signage doesn't mean 
helicopters don't land there. As it's clearly used as a landing space by 
helicopters what do your suggest as an alternative?


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - aeroway=heliport

[Dave F.]

On 01/11/2015 20:50, Daniel Koć wrote:


I was just wonder if we could turn the aeroway=helipad wih "heliport" 
in name into aeroway=heliport (not all of them, because helipad is 
different beast, as you just wrote), but after more research I am now 
more cautious: looks like many "heliports" are in fact just helipads, 
even here (using CIA World Factbook data):


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_heliports


I'm glad you've decided to review this proposal.

That wikipedia page is so restrictive in its definition: Just one 
heliport in the whole of Australia? I just don't believe it.


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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - aeroway=heliport

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-11-02 15:17 GMT+01:00 Dave F. :

> Just because it has no H marking or other signage doesn't mean helicopters
> don't land there. As it's clearly used as a landing space by helicopters
> what do your suggest as an alternative?
>



helicopters, by principle, can land on an awful lot of places, shall we tag
all of them as helipads? I must admit I find it strange that a hospital
with frequent landings of helicopters doesn't have a dedicated signed
helipad (neither FATO nor TLOF, nor safety areas(1), right? No floodlights
or signal lights for night operation either?), but if this is typical in
some places (or exceptionally occuring) we might consider to tag such
places as helipads anyway. I've researched this a bit (but am not an expert
in the field), and according to ICAO, Annex 14 Vol 2, 3.1.1, "a surface
level heliport shall be provided with at least one final approach and
take-off area (FATO)." and 3.1.13 "At least one TLOF shall be provided at a
heliport." As this is a document about aerodromes, it focuses on heliports
and doesn't provide a definition for helipad, unfortunately. I believe we
can agree that areas like the one you described, should not be mapped as
heliports. If someone can come up with an official definition for a helipad
that would be appreciated.


Cheers,
Martin

(1) FATO=Final approach and take-off area
TLOF= Touchdown and liftoff area

btw., I've just found these standards documentation for aerodromes which
might be interesting for other mappers as well:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2u8czVndcm6ckVKZ1RsYUtoT1U/edit  (Vol 1,
aerodromes)

http://dcaa.trafikstyrelsen.dk:8000/icaodocs/Annex%2014%20-%20Aerodromes/Annex%2014%20Volume%202,%20Helipors%20-%20Edition%20no%203.PDF
(Vol. 2, Helicopters, is from 2009 and might be old)
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[Tagging] traffic_sign:forward=*

[Gerd Petermann]

Hi all,


it seems that the wiki

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign

is too confusing. The overpass query

  node[ "traffic_sign"="maxspeed"]["source:maxspeed"="sign"];
shows 831 nodes. My understanding is that one tag is for the
node, the other for the way.
Also funny:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/traffic_sign%3Aforward#values
shows 1050 entries for the tag traffic_sign:forward=*
(yes, "*" as value)

My understanding so far is that I should see e.g. these tags on a node
which is part of a highway:
traffic_sign:forward=maxspeed
maxspeed=60

The corresponding way would start at this node and have
tags
maxspeed=60
source:maxspeed=sign

Am I right?

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Re: [Tagging] "What can I ask ..." list for browsing people

[André Pirard]

On 2015-11-01 23:25, Simon Poole wrote :
>
> You click on "Help" then on "Beginners Guide"

> This *Beginners' Guide* will show you how to add data to OpenStreetMap.
> You need a computer connected to the Internet and some time to gather
> information and then enter it. A GPS unit and connecting cable are
> purely optional, but will be required if you want to collect data that
> way. Given the excellent aerial photography available in the editors
> these days, a GPS is less important than in the early days of the
> project
>
Are you sure that this is information helping the owner/runner/... of
some feature, let us say a shop, to tell a mapper which available tags
he would like to see, like I explained?

It seems that there is no such information and that doesn't help the
public composing Notes to improve their elements.
> Am 01.11.2015 um 19:10 schrieb André Pirard:
>> ...
>>
>> What can I show to Mr X?
>>
> This is extremely off topic btw.
*you* are perfectly off topic.
You seem to confuse the mappers and the public.
And, btw the correct, fully meaningful quote is
> X
;-)

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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Joan]

The tag has already been used a few times (there was four tags in different
places of the world) see it here
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/office=power_utility#overview,
Its counterpart, the water_utility has 35 ocurrences in the map
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/office=water_utility#overview

2015-10-24 0:22 GMT+02:00 Joan :

> This is a proposal for tagging power utility offices, i.e. the place where
> you go to sign up for power & light / electricity services, pay your power
> bill, or apply for permits. There is already a whole category for power
> related infrastructure at WikiProject_Power_networks
> , but
> there's no current tag for the offices. This is an important feature to
> show on maps since everyone who lives in a city will probably have to visit
> it at least once to sign up for power services. I created this proposal
> starting from the Tag:office=water_utility
>  because
> the need for it is quite the same and it would make sense to have both.
>
>
> The proposal page is at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_utility_office
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Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

[Dave Swarthout]

Here's a little story, completely off topic, that might amuse you. Back in
the 70s when the U.S. DOT decided to make right turns on red legal, the
Massachusetts DOT decided they didn't like it and refused to go along. The
federal government said, fine, you don't have to agree but you won't get
any more federal highway funds until you cooperate. Massachusetts quickly
passed the law but then posted almost every intersection in the entire
state with those "No Right Turn on Red" signs that are, as John observed,
quite rare everywhere else. Ridiculous but true. I was living in Boston at
the time and can attest to the fact that there were only a very few places
where you could go right on red.

Cheers,
Dave

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Philip Barnes  wrote:

> On Mon Nov 2 07:35:03 2015 GMT, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> > off topic:
> > Yes, I also learned that in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
> > Zebra crossing seem to have no meaning, red lights
> > at pedestrian crossings are ignored as long as it possible
> > to cross before or after the pedestrian. Sounds dangerous,
> > but seemed to work fine for everybody ;-)
> >
> > I think there is a general pattern:
> > In Germany almost no one dares to ignore a traffic light,
> > most people also stop at a stop sign, at least they slow down
> > to ~ 5 kmh.
> > I cycled a lot of countries in Europe, and I noticed that
> > in other countries a stop sign is  placed nearly everywhere,
> > which seems to have the effect that everybody treats it like
> > a "watch out" hint, not more.
> >
> Stop signs are relatively rare in the UK and are only used on
> difficult/more dangerous junctions. The most common sign used at junctions
> is a give way. When driving in other countries I have found stop to be over
> used.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
> >
> >
> > 
> > Von: Martin Koppenhoefer 
> > Gesendet: Montag, 2. November 2015 08:15
> > An: daveswarth...@gmail.com; Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> > Betreff: Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?
> >
> > sent from a phone
> >
> > > Am 02.11.2015 um 00:36 schrieb Dave Swarthout  >:
> > >
> > > Pedestrians are pretty much on their own here in Thailand. Even where
> there are zebra crossings motorists don't stop or even slow down.
> >
> >
> > it's the same in Italy, at least in the central and southern parts. You
> better watch out when crossing a road at a zebra crossing (sometimes also
> at traffic light controlled crossings, e.g. in Naples)
> >
> > cheers,
> > Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[johnw]

> On Nov 3, 2015, at 7:38 AM, Joan  wrote:
> 
> The tag has already been used a few times (there was four tags in different 
> places of the world) see it here 
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/office=power_utility#overview 
> , 
> Its counterpart, the water_utility has 35 ocurrences in the map 
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/office=water_utility#overview 
> 
> 
> 2015-10-24 0:22 GMT+02:00 Joan mailto:aseq...@gmail.com>>:
> This is a proposal for tagging power utility offices, 

I wanted a landuse=civic (or similar) to go with building=civic - and have a 
civic=* subkey to define all the various governmental and civic offices. 
(townhalls, community centeres, tax offices, water district offices, etc. 

I would like to actually have something more umbrellaish than doing these one 
office at a time and coming up and doing voting for each one. we need each one, 
so lets make a subkey and define them all. the different utilitiy offices 
(which are usually state run, or state sanctioned monopolies for basic 
services) can easily be added. 

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landuse%3Dcivic

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag traffic islands ?

[johnw]

> On Nov 3, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Dave Swarthout  wrote:
> 
>  I was living in Boston at the time and can attest to the fact that there 
> were only a very few places where you could go right on red.


From what I have heard of boston, the narrow streets with limited visibility 
seem very similar to Japan. 

Many intersections have limit lines well back from the intersection to allow 
trucks to turn. going past the limit line means possibly getting clipped from a 
turning delivery van. You cant even advance up to take a peek without risking 
an accident.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.414601,139.328735,3a,105.3y,228.67h,47.04t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s-vjoThqF9l4mT0xb87OmmQ!2e0
 

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.421324,139.312132,3a,66.8y,137.87h,85.44t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sSO2LvIsMkq3igdHivlQVCg!2e0
 



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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - aeroway=heliport

[Warin]

On 3/11/2015 1:43 AM, Dave F. wrote:

On 01/11/2015 20:50, Daniel Koć wrote:


I was just wonder if we could turn the aeroway=helipad wih "heliport" 
in name into aeroway=heliport (not all of them, because helipad is 
different beast, as you just wrote), but after more research I am now 
more cautious: looks like many "heliports" are in fact just helipads, 
even here (using CIA World Factbook data):


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_heliports


I'm glad you've decided to review this proposal.

That wikipedia page is so restrictive in its definition: Just one 
heliport in the whole of Australia? I just don't believe it.




Heipads in Australia...  http://www.helipads.org ..
 A little more than one. Most major hospitals have one.
Dick Smith has one ... though it is private.

And the wikipedia definition is fairly broad ..

total number of heliports with

 * hard-surface runways,
 *   helipads, or
 * landing areas that /support routine sustained helicopter operations
   exclusively/ and have support facilities including one or more of
   the following facilities: lighting, fuel, passenger handling, or
   maintenance


The last one would accept a dirt helipad near the Bungle Bungles - a 
dirt strip that refuels and accepts passengers.


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[Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[johnw]

I assume there are many around the world, But I am trying to tag a group of 
flower fields that are used year round to create a decoration by growing vast 
fields of a single type of flower.  They are not harvested or sold, they are 
there merely for the visitors of a very large 3sq KM mixed-use park to see 
large fields of pretty flowers growing over a small set of hills near the 
seaside.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/〒312-0012+茨城県ひたちなか市馬渡+大字馬渡大沼605−4+Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.403663,140.598901,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf

it is bigger than it looks int he picturees. This isn’t farmland, nor is it a 
(normal) garden or a grazing meadow. is there some tag or sub-tag for 
decorative flower fields?

The blue flowers in the google street view above will be removed and other 
flowers planted to grow for the next season. 

The hill looked like this last week. http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/kochia.html 
, with cosmos too 
http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/cosmos.html 
 


is there some gardenish tag for these fields?


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Re: [Tagging] "What can I ask ..." list for browsing people

[Marc Gemis]

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 8:26 PM, André Pirard 
wrote:

> What can I show to Mr X?
>
> This is extremely off topic btw.
>
> *you* are perfectly off topic.
> You seem to confuse the mappers and the public.
> And, btw the correct, fully meaningful quote is
>
>
What Simon probably means is that this topic does not belong on the tagging
mailing list.
It belongs on the general talk mailing list IMHO.

regards

m
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Dave Swarthout]

Thailand has sunflower fields - actually a Japanese variety if I recall
correctly.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sunflowers+mae+hong+son

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:36 AM, johnw  wrote:

> I assume there are many around the world, But I am trying to tag a group
> of flower fields that are used year round to create a decoration by growing
> vast fields of a single type of flower.  They are not harvested or sold,
> they are there merely for the visitors of a very large 3sq KM mixed-use
> park to see large fields of pretty flowers growing over a small set of
> hills near the seaside.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/〒312-0012+茨城県ひたちなか市馬渡+大字馬渡大沼605−4+Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.403663,140.598901,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf
>
> it is bigger than it looks int he picturees. This isn’t farmland, nor is
> it a (normal) garden or a grazing meadow. is there some tag or sub-tag for
> decorative flower fields?
>
> The blue flowers in the google street view above will be removed and other
> flowers planted to grow for the next season.
>
> The hill looked like this last week.
> http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/kochia.html, with cosmos too
> http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/cosmos.html
>
>
> is there some gardenish tag for these fields?
>
>
> Javbw
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Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Dave Swarthout]

On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 7:42 AM, johnw  wrote:

> I wanted a landuse=civic (or similar) to go with building=civic - and have
> a civic=* subkey to define all the various governmental and civic offices.
> (townhalls, community centeres, tax offices, water district offices, etc.


I want that too. It makes sense, and it's logical but that's no guarantee
it'll make out of this "committee" where unanimity is so very elusive. LOL


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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Marc Gemis]

John,

I would use leisure=garden, but I assume I must be missing something as you
didn't pick this (obvious) tag. Can you explain why you don't want to
use/think abotu/like  this tag ?
The wiki page [1] starts with "A garden is a distinguishable planned space,
usually outdoors, set aside for the display, cultivation, and enjoyment of
plants and other forms of nature. " This seems like a good match to me.

regards

m

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden


On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:36 AM, johnw  wrote:

> I assume there are many around the world, But I am trying to tag a group
> of flower fields that are used year round to create a decoration by growing
> vast fields of a single type of flower.  They are not harvested or sold,
> they are there merely for the visitors of a very large 3sq KM mixed-use
> park to see large fields of pretty flowers growing over a small set of
> hills near the seaside.
>
>
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/〒312-0012+茨城県ひたちなか市馬渡+大字馬渡大沼605−4+Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.403663,140.598901,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf
>
> it is bigger than it looks int he picturees. This isn’t farmland, nor is
> it a (normal) garden or a grazing meadow. is there some tag or sub-tag for
> decorative flower fields?
>
> The blue flowers in the google street view above will be removed and other
> flowers planted to grow for the next season.
>
> The hill looked like this last week.
> http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/kochia.html, with cosmos too
> http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/cosmos.html
>
>
> is there some gardenish tag for these fields?
>
>
> Javbw
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Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

[Gerd Petermann]

My understanding was that John wants to point out that this part

of the nature is very beautiful at a certain time and

without the "help" of humans.

A garden seems to imply that it is man_made.


Gerd



Von: Marc Gemis 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. November 2015 08:03
An: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Decorative flower fields? (not as a crop?)

John,

I would use leisure=garden, but I assume I must be missing something as you 
didn't pick this (obvious) tag. Can you explain why you don't want to use/think 
abotu/like  this tag ?
The wiki page [1] starts with "A garden is a distinguishable planned space, 
usually outdoors, set aside for the display, cultivation, and enjoyment of 
plants and other forms of nature. " This seems like a good match to me.

regards

m

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:leisure%3Dgarden
[http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/thumb/9/9a/SF_Japanese_Garden.JPG/200px-SF_Japanese_Garden.JPG]

Tag:leisure=garden - OpenStreetMap Wiki
Description See garden on Wikipedia. A garden is a distinguishable planned 
space, usually outdoors, set aside for the display, cultivation, and enjoyment 
of plants ...
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 3:36 AM, johnw mailto:jo...@mac.com>> 
wrote:
I assume there are many around the world, But I am trying to tag a group of 
flower fields that are used year round to create a decoration by growing vast 
fields of a single type of flower.  They are not harvested or sold, they are 
there merely for the visitors of a very large 3sq KM mixed-use park to see 
large fields of pretty flowers growing over a small set of hills near the 
seaside.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/?312-0012+???+??605?4+Kokuei+Hitachi+Seaside+Park/@36.403663,140.598901,3a,66.8y,58.23h,73.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sdFkpXra77eNjJofBUdZ4gQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x60222e737d51437f:0x369e485be0b9dbf

it is bigger than it looks int he picturees. This isn't farmland, nor is it a 
(normal) garden or a grazing meadow. is there some tag or sub-tag for 
decorative flower fields?

The blue flowers in the google street view above will be removed and other 
flowers planted to grow for the next season.

The hill looked like this last week. http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/kochia.html, 
with cosmos too http://hitachikaihin.jp/hana/cosmos.html


is there some gardenish tag for these fields?


Javbw

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