Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

[Marc Gemis]

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brad Neuhauser 
wrote:

> a photo of a stone cross over 5m tall


since you cannot walk in it/over it (cfr. monument is large ... as in you
can walk inside it, over it.) it is a memorial.
a monument is often a building IMHO


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Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-05-08 10:15 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis :

> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brad Neuhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> a photo of a stone cross over 5m tall
>
>
> since you cannot walk in it/over it (cfr. monument is large ... as in you
> can walk inside it, over it.) it is a memorial.
> a monument is often a building IMHO
>



5 meters is large ;-)
a monument can be a building, but it can also be something else.

IMHO it also depends on context, if you are in a monumental setting with
everything huge, a 5 meter stone cross might be just a small insignificant
part of it, and could eventually be considered a memorial by the mapper, if
instead this is an isolated feature I would be more inclined to map it as
monument.

Cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

[Tom Pfeifer]

pmailkeey . wrote on 2015-05-06 23:13:


On 6 May 2015 at 20:40, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:



if they're static I'd probably tag them like other huts you can rent for 
vacation.

As in 'alpine_hut' ?


No, an alpine_hut is more like a hostel in a remote location,
it is managed by staff and you would book just a place to sleep in the hut,
not the full building.

tom


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Re: [Tagging] Tagging village sign

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 7 May 2015 at 23:11, pmailkeey .  wrote:
> Tips on tagging a village sign please.
>
> Village sign: an ornate sign located fairly central to the village - such as
> on the village green.

There are lots of these signs near where I live. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_sign for examples.

I've always used man_made=village_sign to tag them -- which seems to
have a number of uses according to
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=village+sign#values
(although a good proportional of them are probably down to me).

The village name shown on the sign should also be recorded, and for
that I've used name=*. I know that perhaps doesn't quite fit with the
usual use of name=*, as here it's the name being shown, rather than
the name of the sign, but I thought it was close enough. But if anyone
has any better suggestions there...

Robert.

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Re: [Tagging] How to model sidewalks, crossings and kerbs with respect to routing applications?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2015-05-07 17:57 GMT+02:00 Stefan Hahmann <
stefan.hahm...@geog.uni-heidelberg.de>:

> My current favourite would be either solution 3 (which is easiest to
> implement in current routing engines) or solution 1 (for the sake of actual
> correct modeling). Maybe there are even more (better?) solutions?
>


If you want to stay on this model with kerbs as a node, solution 1 seems
the easiest. Alternatively I can imagine having the kerbs modeled as ways
as well, and model the true topology (i.e. the highway=footway in the
centre of the footway/sidewalk). This way you could use area-relations
(type=area) to make actual area:highways for the road (from kerb to kerb)
and the sidewalks (from kerb to the border), hereby having an additional
benefit.

The mapping as shown in the problem description is definitely wrong,
considering the conventions we use (highway-ways are in the centre of the
highway, hence their crossings cannot be the kerbs).

Cheers,
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging of historic=monument

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:15 AM, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> since you cannot walk in it/over it (cfr. monument is large ... as in you
> can walk inside it, over it.) it is a memorial.
> a monument is often a building IMHO
>

US usage frequently disagrees on an almost biblical scale.  This one used
to leave significant sulfuric ash on my truck most of last decade on a
fairly regular basis when I was living in Wood Village, Oregon
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2455766
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging of pitches within a campsite

[John Willis]

Sometimes it is a single building with people stacked in like logs, like the 
alpine "lodges" on the Mt Fuji hiking routes. There were 80 people inside what 
is about the size of a 2 car garage. 

You are basically renting 1sq m (it's tight) and a sleeping bag for 5 hours. 

Javbw. 

> On May 8, 2015, at 6:37 PM, Tom Pfeifer  wrote:
> 
> pmailkeey . wrote on 2015-05-06 23:13:
>> 
>>> On 6 May 2015 at 20:40, Martin Koppenhoefer >> > wrote:
>> 
>>if they're static I'd probably tag them like other huts you can rent for 
>> vacation.
>> 
>> As in 'alpine_hut' ?
> 
> No, an alpine_hut is more like a hostel in a remote location,
> it is managed by staff and you would book just a place to sleep in the hut,
> not the full building.
> 
> tom
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[Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[Andrew MacKinnon]

I propose to create the tag "shop=wholesale" for stores that sell
large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
. This tag has 320 uses
in taginfo already.

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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On Fri, 2015-05-08 at 12:04 -0400, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
> I propose to create the tag "shop=wholesale" for stores that sell
> large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
> Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
> . This tag has 320 uses
> in taginfo already.

I agree with the general concept, but there needs to be a way to
differentiate Costco/Sam's/BJ's from other types of wholesalers. I can't
think of anything better besides something like shop=department_store
and some additional tag(s) to indicate membership is required to do
business there (access=members maybe?).


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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[Stefano]

2015-05-08 18:04 GMT+02:00 Andrew MacKinnon :

> I propose to create the tag "shop=wholesale" for stores that sell
> large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
> Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
> . This tag has 320 uses
> in taginfo already.
>

Hi,
I described (and proposed) the tag in 2011 with a wholesale key to specify
the items sold

http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wholesale

Feel free to edit the page or improve it :-)

Regards,
Stefano


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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[Clifford Snow]

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Andrew MacKinnon 
wrote:

> I propose to create the tag "shop=wholesale" for stores that sell
> large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
> Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
> . This tag has 320 uses
> in taginfo already.
>

A wholesale merchant sells to retailers and service businesses, usually not
to consumers. Warehouse clubs are a better description of Costco and Sam's
club.


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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[Matthijs Melissen]

Note that we also have shop=trade. It would be good to make the
difference between both tags clear (of deprecate shop=trade, which I
wouldn't oppose).

-- Matthijs

On 8 May 2015 at 17:04, Andrew MacKinnon  wrote:
> I propose to create the tag "shop=wholesale" for stores that sell
> large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
> Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
> . This tag has 320 uses
> in taginfo already.
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging village sign

[althio]

Please have a look at:
man_made=village_sign
+ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:inscription

- althio

On 8 May 2015 at 11:50, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)
 wrote:
> On 7 May 2015 at 23:11, pmailkeey .  wrote:
>> Tips on tagging a village sign please.
>>
>> Village sign: an ornate sign located fairly central to the village - such as
>> on the village green.
>
> There are lots of these signs near where I live. See
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_sign for examples.
>
> I've always used man_made=village_sign to tag them -- which seems to
> have a number of uses according to
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=village+sign#values
> (although a good proportional of them are probably down to me).
>
> The village name shown on the sign should also be recorded, and for
> that I've used name=*. I know that perhaps doesn't quite fit with the
> usual use of name=*, as here it's the name being shown, rather than
> the name of the sign, but I thought it was close enough. But if anyone
> has any better suggestions there...
>
> Robert.
>
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging village sign

[pmailkeey .]

Cheers, I'll have a think on this one :)

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& pets*

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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[John Willis]

> On May 9, 2015, at 4:00 AM, Clifford Snow  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Andrew MacKinnon  wrote:
>> I propose to create the tag "shop=wholesale" for stores that sell
>> large quantities of merchandise in bulk, such as Costco and Sam's
>> Club. Many such stores require a membership to join. See
>> . This tag has 320 uses
>> in taginfo already.
> 
> A wholesale merchant sells to retailers and service businesses, usually not 
> to consumers. Warehouse clubs are a better description of Costco and Sam's 
> club. 


+1 price club started out as restaurant and convince store supply. It slowly 
grew into a consumer outlet.

But there are many stores open to he public that cater to professionals in that 
business - meaning their *stock* is tailored to the professional vs the 
consumer - a consumer doesn't have the need nor the knowledge to shop at a 
professional shop, though they can enter and buy if they want. 

These stores are valuable but uncommon, and are usually really focused on a 
specific industry. I used to got to an industrial supply store - high end 
tools, high end consumables, and high-end hardware (bolts, fasteners, etc) that 
are not house building bolts and screws like you'd find at Home Depot. 
http://goo.gl/maps/isNqa

That shop is not meant for a consumer, but consumers can shop there.

Costco and SAMs club are totally meant for consumers - they just require a 
membership. 

Javbw. 



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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[Bryce Nesbitt]

On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Matthijs Melissen 
wrote:

> Note that we also have shop=trade. It would be good to make the
> difference between both tags clear (of deprecate shop=trade, which I
> wouldn't oppose).
>

"trade" is an attribute.

Any type of shop (plumbing, electrical, lumber, restaurant supplies) could
be trade focused.
Such shops do not cater to walk in consumer traffic, and may be hostile to
customers
who come in without trade knowledge.
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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[Warin]

On 9/05/2015 11:10 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Matthijs Melissen 
mailto:i...@matthijsmelissen.nl>> wrote:


Note that we also have shop=trade. It would be good to make the
difference between both tags clear (of deprecate shop=trade, which I
wouldn't oppose).


"trade" is an attribute.

Any type of shop (plumbing, electrical, lumber, restaurant supplies) 
could be trade focused.
Such shops do not cater to walk in consumer traffic, and may be 
hostile to customers

who come in without trade knowledge.



Wholesale implies a large quantity of goods, they sell in quantity (the 
quantity may be over some time, say a year).


A 'Trade' shop implies specialist goods and specialist knowledge, not 
things that are present in supermarkets.
An Electronics trade shop will know what a 12 puff capacitor is and have 
several types available, high Q please.
A Plumbers trade shop will have several types of stop cocks available... 
etc.


A trade shop may accept walk in customers .. but give them retail prices 
where as a trade person would get trade price.
Some trades are protected by law and a trade shop may refuse sales based 
on that .. usually safety related.
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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[John Willis]

> On May 9, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wholesale implies a large quantity of goods, they sell in quantity (the 
> quantity may be over some time, say a year).

Then wholesale is an subtag on the shop, since it doesn't describe what they 
are selling, right?

There are wholesale trade shops, wholesale food shops, wholesale lumber shops, 
etc...

Is there some tag for membership, or is that assumed knowledge if you live in 
the region? (Most people in Japan know costco is membership, for example). 

Thinking about it reminds me I have no idea how to tag them, along with the 
sub-businesses inside (food court, pharmacy, tire shop, etc). I just put shop 
nodes in the building, but maybe that's not the best way to do it. 

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Re: [Tagging] Proposed tag shop=wholesale

[Warin]

On 9/05/2015 1:35 PM, John Willis wrote:



On May 9, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wholesale implies a large quantity of goods, they sell in quantity (the 
quantity may be over some time, say a year).

Then wholesale is an subtag on the shop, since it doesn't describe what they 
are selling, right?


Hummm ... I'd not want a wholesaler identified as a shop ... let me put it this 
way?

If a gasoline wholesaler were identified as a fuel station and you drove your 
car in there .. they'd sell you gasoline ... say 250 gallons of it minimum.  :-D





There are wholesale trade shops, wholesale food shops, wholesale lumber shops, 
etc...

Is there some tag for membership, or is that assumed knowledge if you live in 
the region? (Most people in Japan know costco is membership, for example).


access = membership ?



Thinking about it reminds me I have no idea how to tag them, along with the 
sub-businesses inside (food court, pharmacy, tire shop, etc). I just put shop 
nodes in the building, but maybe that's not the best way to do it.


I've not looked at it hard. I have tagged nodes and buildings (closed way) as 
shops .. they do appear on the rendered maps.


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