[Tagging] Ablution area

[Mishari Muqbil]

Hi,

I would like to propose a new tag for Ablution (ritual purification).
Wikipedia says that that there's Ablution in Islam, Christianity and
Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablution and worship sites usually
have an area set aside for this.

Islam:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ablution_area_inside_Eastern_wall_of_Badshahi_mosque.JPG

Judaism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_washing_in_Judaism#mediaviewer/File:Ramban_Synagogue_IMG_0027.JPG

I would like to tag it as amenity=ablution for a stand alone facility as
pictured above or ablution=yes if a toilet has facilities specifically
for performing ablution.

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[Tagging] Archway

[Mishari Muqbil]

Hi,

In this photo http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/idFfQ3kADwqnRL25JEF78g
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/j_Uwf2UAiHjKi_ovtcu_LQ there's a
landmark up ahead at the entrance to the housing project that resembles
an arch. It's quite a prominent landmark in an area which is otherwise
devoid of any distinct features. Does anyone have an idea as to how to
tag this?

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Re: [Tagging] aeroway=taxiway as area

[Janko Mihelić]

If you want to map the whole area, maybe the best way is to use this
proposal:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/area:highway

and tag with area:aeroway=taxiway

Janko


2014-08-29 22:59 GMT+02:00 Jean-Marc Liotier :

> On 08/29/2014 10:38 PM, Nelson A. de Oliveira wrote:
>
>> Why the value description table of
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aeroway%3Dtaxiway states that
>> aeroway=taxiway should not be used on areas?
>>
>> Is there a valid point for this ?
>>
>
> If you are going to perform airport routing (now that would be quite
> exotic), my understanding is that typical routing engines don't take
> surfaces into account in their calculations. Otherwise, just make sure that
> you are not confusing aeroway=taxiway with aeroway=apron - most airport
> surfaces that you might be tempted to model as surfaces are actually aprons
> rather than taxiways.
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Re: [Tagging] Archway

[Dave Swarthout]

That is an excellent question. This arch is quite large but there are many
other similar structures in villages all over Thailand. I have seen many of
them but have never tagged any. There is a barrier=archway used twice in
Taginfo but the ones I've seen are not barriers in the usual sense of that
word.

The key landmark might be a possibility, for example, landmark=archway?


On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Mishari Muqbil  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In this photo http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/idFfQ3kADwqnRL25JEF78g
> http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/j_Uwf2UAiHjKi_ovtcu_LQ there's a
> landmark up ahead at the entrance to the housing project that resembles
> an arch. It's quite a prominent landmark in an area which is otherwise
> devoid of any distinct features. Does anyone have an idea as to how to
> tag this?
>
> --
> Best regards
> Mishari Muqbil
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> EE32 64BD 7D1F 5946
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Re: [Tagging] Ablution area

[Dave Swarthout]

FWIW, I traveled extensively in New Zealand a few years ago and there an
"ablution block" (or ablution area) is a place in a campground where one
washes things — dishes, clothing, etc. That definition of ablution is also
a sort of "purification", I reckon.

Cheers
Dave


On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Mishari Muqbil  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to propose a new tag for Ablution (ritual purification).
> Wikipedia says that that there's Ablution in Islam, Christianity and
> Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablution and worship sites usually
> have an area set aside for this.
>
> Islam:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ablution_area_inside_Eastern_wall_of_Badshahi_mosque.JPG
>
> Judaism:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_washing_in_Judaism#mediaviewer/File:Ramban_Synagogue_IMG_0027.JPG
>
> I would like to tag it as amenity=ablution for a stand alone facility as
> pictured above or ablution=yes if a toilet has facilities specifically
> for performing ablution.
>
> --
> Best regards
> Mishari Muqbil
> Twitter: @mishari Skype: misharim Phone: +66 81 8240629
> EE32 64BD 7D1F 5946
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[Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

[Paul Hartmann]

Hi,

there have been requests to include the tag smoothness=* in the JOSM 
presets [1]. Everywhere the user can fill in surface=*, we would add an 
additional option for smoothness=*. Apart from the value (excellent, 
good, ...) we would include the explanation from the wiki into the 
selection combo box.


Do you think this tag is considered mainstream by now or are there still 
many people who oppose the usage of this tag?


I know there have been lengthy discussions on this topic before and I 
don't want to start another one. This is supposed to be something like a 
quick poll.


[1] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6881

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Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

[Andy Mabbett]

On 30 August 2014 12:54, Paul Hartmann  wrote:
> there have been requests to include the tag smoothness=* in the JOSM presets
> [1]. Everywhere the user can fill in surface=*, we would add an additional
> option for smoothness=*. Apart from the value (excellent, good, ...) we
> would include the explanation from the wiki into the selection combo box.

That seems like a very arbitrary classification system. What's
"excellent" for me on my pushbike might be awful for someone walking
in wet or or icy weather.

A choice of

   *   very rough
   *   rough
   *   medium
   *   smooth
   *   very smooth

or suchlike might be better, but even then I doubt three mappers would
always agree on which to use for a given place.

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Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

2014-08-30 13:54 GMT+02:00 Paul Hartmann :

> Hi,
>
> there have been requests to include the tag smoothness=* in the JOSM
> presets [1]. Everywhere the user can fill in surface=*, we would add an
> additional option for smoothness=*. Apart from the value (excellent, good,
> ...) we would include the explanation from the wiki into the selection
> combo box.
>
> Do you think this tag is considered mainstream by now or are there still
> many people who oppose the usage of this tag?
>
> I know there have been lengthy discussions on this topic before and I
> don't want to start another one. This is supposed to be something like a
> quick poll.
>
> [1] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6881
>
> Paul
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I use smoothness and I would welcome it in JOSM. I am not really happy
about it, but I was unable to invent something better and it
not as bad as say maxspeed:practical.
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Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

[Volker Schmidt]

I agree with Mateusz

Volker


On 30 August 2014 18:01, Mateusz Konieczny  wrote:

>
>
>
> 2014-08-30 13:54 GMT+02:00 Paul Hartmann :
>
> Hi,
>>
>> there have been requests to include the tag smoothness=* in the JOSM
>> presets [1]. Everywhere the user can fill in surface=*, we would add an
>> additional option for smoothness=*. Apart from the value (excellent, good,
>> ...) we would include the explanation from the wiki into the selection
>> combo box.
>>
>> Do you think this tag is considered mainstream by now or are there still
>> many people who oppose the usage of this tag?
>>
>> I know there have been lengthy discussions on this topic before and I
>> don't want to start another one. This is supposed to be something like a
>> quick poll.
>>
>> [1] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6881
>>
>> Paul
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> I use smoothness and I would welcome it in JOSM. I am not really happy
> about it, but I was unable to invent something better and it
> not as bad as say maxspeed:practical.
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Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

[Bryan Housel]

We are supporting `smoothness` in iD.  Now as of a month ago, we display 
friendlier (and translatable) text descriptions for these kinds of dropdown 
fields. (e.g. sac_scale, track type, trail_visibility, etc)

When I added these last month, I did borrow heavily from the descriptions on 
the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:smoothness.
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/blob/master/data/presets/fields/smoothness.json

thanks, Bryan



On Aug 30, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Mateusz Konieczny  wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 2014-08-30 13:54 GMT+02:00 Paul Hartmann :
> Hi,
> 
> there have been requests to include the tag smoothness=* in the JOSM presets 
> [1]. Everywhere the user can fill in surface=*, we would add an additional 
> option for smoothness=*. Apart from the value (excellent, good, ...) we would 
> include the explanation from the wiki into the selection combo box.
> 
> Do you think this tag is considered mainstream by now or are there still many 
> people who oppose the usage of this tag?
> 
> I know there have been lengthy discussions on this topic before and I don't 
> want to start another one. This is supposed to be something like a quick poll.
> 
> [1] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/6881
> 
> Paul
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> I use smoothness and I would welcome it in JOSM. I am not really happy about 
> it, but I was unable to invent something better and it 
> not as bad as say maxspeed:practical.
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Re: [Tagging] Ablution area

[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2014-08-30 10:55, Dave Swarthout
  wrote :


  FWIW, I traveled extensively in New
Zealand a few years ago and there an "ablution block" (or
ablution area) is a place in a campground where one washes
things — dishes, clothing, etc. That definition of ablution is
also a sort of "purification", I reckon.
  

In French, "ablution" means hygienic body washing. Misleading.
Purification is a secondary meaning.

  
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM,
  Mishari Muqbil 
  wrote:
  Hi,

I would like to propose a new tag for Ablution (ritual
purification).
Wikipedia says that that there's Ablution in Islam,
Christianity and
Judaism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ablution
and worship sites usually
have an area set aside for this.

Islam:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ablution_area_inside_Eastern_wall_of_Badshahi_mosque.JPG

Judaism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_washing_in_Judaism#mediaviewer/File:Ramban_Synagogue_IMG_0027.JPG

I would like to tag it as amenity=ablution for a stand alone
facility as
pictured above or ablution=yes if a toilet has facilities
specifically
for performing ablution.

  

  


  


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Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

> Il giorno 30/ago/2014, alle ore 14:46, Andy Mabbett 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> I doubt three mappers would
> always agree on which to use for a given place.


I think complete agreement is not necessary, it would be sufficient if it were 
+-1, similar to road classification with the highway key
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Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

[Dave Swarthout]

I also agree with Mateusz. I would like to see use of the smoothness tag
become more universal so building it into a JOSM preset sounds like a good
idea.

However, as others have said, the topic has had much discussion but little
agreement on exactly how to determine the value. A highway that has
"excellent" smoothness for automobiles may be not so smooth for a
bicyclist. It is a subjective tag and there's no getting around that fact
therefore you can expect some criticism for this addition.

Cheers,
Dave


On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

>
>
> > Il giorno 30/ago/2014, alle ore 14:46, Andy Mabbett <
> a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto:
> >
> > I doubt three mappers would
> > always agree on which to use for a given place.
>
>
> I think complete agreement is not necessary, it would be sufficient if it
> were +-1, similar to road classification with the highway key
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Re: [Tagging] include smoothness=* in JOSM presets?

[Simon Poole]

As somebody who participates in at least two outdoor activities in which
road conditions are an important comfort factor* (inline skating and
riding a road bike) it would be great to have a reasonably reliable
indication of what to expect on a certain road segment additionally to
the pure mechanical restrictions that can be indicated by the surface tag.

However the smoothness tag does not fulfil the role, its current
definition makes it not only subjective, it is explicitly dependent on
the skill level of the person surveying.

At best the extreme values are meaningful and I would suggest that the
value space at least be reduced (something along the lines of good, bad,
impassable) in any preset.

Simon

* comfort is not the same as "usable"

Am 31.08.2014 04:11, schrieb Dave Swarthout:
> I also agree with Mateusz. I would like to see use of the smoothness tag
> become more universal so building it into a JOSM preset sounds like a
> good idea.
> 
> However, as others have said, the topic has had much discussion but
> little agreement on exactly how to determine the value. A highway that
> has "excellent" smoothness for automobiles may be not so smooth for a
> bicyclist. It is a subjective tag and there's no getting around that
> fact therefore you can expect some criticism for this addition.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
> mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Il giorno 30/ago/2014, alle ore 14:46, Andy Mabbett
> mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>> ha
> scritto:
> >
> > I doubt three mappers would
> > always agree on which to use for a given place.
> 
> 
> I think complete agreement is not necessary, it would be sufficient
> if it were +-1, similar to road classification with the highway key
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