[Tagging] How to tag: road in Luxembourgish park with unclear status

2012-10-21 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all,

There is some unclarity about how to tag the roads in Vallée de la
Petrusse, a park in Luxembourg-City.

Luxembourg seems to be less rigid in using traffic signs than, for
example, Germany and the Netherlands, and relies more on common sense
of traffic participants. However, this also means that some roads
cannot be tagged unambigiously. The road through the Vallée de la
Pétrusse, the green line on the following map, is an example of this.

An explanation of this road, including pictures, can be found here:
http://www.matthijsmelissen.nl/osm/vallee/

I wonder how (the segments of) this road could be tagged. In particular:

1) At which point should the tag highway=residential (or
highway=service) change into highway=path (or highway=footway /
highway=cycleway)? Note that the traffic signs do not make clear where
this transition should be. So it seems the decision needs to be made
based either on the road width, or on the actual use of the path.
2) For the final part of the road, would you use highway=footway,
highway=cycleway, or highway=path? Which bicycle/foot tags would you
use?

At the moment, there is no clear consensus in the Luxembourgish community.

Thank you for any input.

Best regards,
Matthijs

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Re: [Tagging] How to tag: road in Luxembourgish park with unclear status

2012-10-21 Thread Eric SIBERT

Road classification... such a difficult subject in many countries.

For the part that inhabitants can use, highway=residential and 
access=destination.


After, for me, the road is large enough for a car but motor vehicles are 
prohibited -> highway = pedestrian. Don't care about park maintenance.


until picture 9.

At this point, a car can't use it.

highway=footway : a intentionally organized way for pedestrians. 
(opposite to highway=path for way that appears after repeated use by 
pedestrians but not intentionally made for).


In booth cases (pedestrian and footway), bicycle status is not clear by 
default. Clear indication is welcome : bicycle = yes (assuming that the 
way is mostly designed for pedestrian).


Photo11 : I never now if it is mostly designed for bicycle 
(highway=cycleway) or for pedestrians (highway=footway).


segregated=no to indicate mixing of both type of users.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:segregated

Eric

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Re: [Tagging] Status of building=stable

2012-10-21 Thread Martin Vonwald
As the massive objection-storm has settled down a little I'll document
that tag. ;-) Thanks to Martin and Alberto for their feedback.

Martin

2012/10/17 Martin Vonwald :
> 2012/10/17 Alberto :
>>>You're right. I'll change the proposal in the following way:
>>>a) building=stable, no building:use: looks like a stable, used as a stable
>>>b) building=stable, building:use=: looks like a stable,
>>>but used for something different
>>>c) building=, building:use=stable: looks like ,
>>>but is used as stable
>>>I assume, that the majority of who used building=stable in the past
>>>meant "it is used as a stable".
>>>Better?
>>>Martin
>>
>> +1. Since this tag is already used, I think that you should also create a
>> page in active map features, not only in proposed features.
>> cheers
>> Alberto
>
> That's exactly what I want to do, but only after I'm sure that no one
> objects (too much).
>
> Martin

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