Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics recording of LOUD night club or venue?
Eric Carmichel wrote: Greetings Everyone,I haven't posted in ages--a move to Silicon Valley over a year ago has occupied my time.Does anybody have a Soundfield recording of a loud nightclub or live music venue? I mean really LOUD electronic dance or rock music. I understand this isn't something you'd normally take a high-end mic to, but I need an accurate representation of the atmosphere. I have live recordings taken from feeds, but these aren't representative of what the "sound" is really like. A binaural or monaural recording (with quality mics) would help, too, but marginal quality recordings made with a Smartphone won't work (otherwise I'd go to YouTube and find tons of $%#@).I checked uploaded recordings linked to the ambisonic net site: Very cool stuff, but not what I need for a particular study.Best regards,Eric http://www.core-sound.com/sampler.php Has some Binaural one of which claims to be very loud - real head though. ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Sursound Digest, Vol 83, Issue 2
Thanks, Sampo and Andy,I didn't think to check Core Sound's site. (Side: coincidentally, I just ordered a Jecklin disk from them.) I wonder if my head is shaped like Len M's -- the sampled recordings could be a real binaural treat! Both the deafeningly loud club and motorcycles ought to work. Thanks again for suggesting.Sampo, I agree. I often work with MEMS mics. SNR getting better, but the overall response is so affected by the net acoustic path (air-mass loading) that there's always a peak in response. Low frequency generally rolls off below 100 Hz without electric filtering, though this can be set by manufacturer (f3 = 5 Hz entirely possible, but low freq energy saturates system). Regardless of uniform response or SNR, sound quality of microacoustic mics is inferior to good studio mics.Best regards,Eric From: "sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu" To: sursound@music.vt.edu Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2015 9:00 AM Subject: Sursound Digest, Vol 83, Issue 2 Send Sursound mailing list submissions to sursound@music.vt.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu You can reach the person managing the list at sursound-ow...@music.vt.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Sursound digest..." You are receiving the digest so when replying, please remember to edit your Subject line to that of the original message you are replying to, so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Sirsound-list digest� the subject should match the post you are replying to. Also, please EDIT the quoted post so that it is not the entire digest, but just the post you are replying to - this will keep the archive useful and not polluted with extraneous posts. Today's Topics: 1. Ambisonics recording of LOUD night club or venue? (Eric Carmichel) 2. Re: Ambisonics recording of LOUD night club or venue? (Sampo Syreeni) 3. Re: Ambisonics recording of LOUD night club or venue? (Andy Furniss) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 00:05:19 + (UTC) From: Eric Carmichel To: "sursound@music.vt.edu" Subject: [Sursound] Ambisonics recording of LOUD night club or venue? Message-ID: <1261780876.6102999.1433549119381.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Greetings Everyone,I haven't posted in ages--a move to Silicon Valley over a year ago has occupied my time.Does anybody have a Soundfield recording of a loud nightclub or live music venue? I mean really LOUD electronic dance or rock music. I understand this isn't something you'd normally take a high-end mic to, but I need an accurate representation of the atmosphere. I have live recordings taken from feeds, but these aren't representative of what the "sound" is really like. A binaural or monaural recording (with quality mics) would help, too, but marginal quality recordings made with a Smartphone won't work (otherwise I'd go to YouTube and find tons of $%#@).I checked uploaded recordings linked to the ambisonic net site: Very cool stuff, but not what I need for a particular study.Best regards,Eric -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20150606/1d3221e5/attachment.html> -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 04:01:26 +0300 (EEST) From: Sampo Syreeni To: Eric Carmichel , Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics recording of LOUD night club or venue? Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On 2015-06-06, Eric Carmichel wrote: > Does anybody have a Soundfield recording of a loud nightclub or live > music venue? I mean really LOUD electronic dance or rock music. I > understand this isn't something you'd normally take a high-end mic to, > but I need an accurate representation of the atmosphere. I don't have one. But from what I understand, SoundFields, especially of the classical kind, can take one hell of a beating without even distortin too much. I seem to remember you can take a Mark V into an environment close to 130dB(A), while still being so-and-so on the safe side. With the newer ones, your mileage may vary. But not too much even there. All of the miniaturized mics are of course shit, as they always were. -- Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - de...@iki.fi, http://decoy.iki.fi/front +358-40-3255353, 025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2 -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2015 09:51:49 +0100 From: A
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics recording of LOUD night club or venue?
I have a few loud bands. How about this one in B-format? Small venue with rowdy people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqxd5KnN8ns You can also find quite a few Soundfield and TetraMic sources on https://archive.org/details/etree, but they're generally only published in stereo downmix, and you'd have to contact the recordists. Hugh On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:05 PM, Eric Carmichel wrote: > Greetings Everyone,I haven't posted in ages--a move to Silicon Valley over > a year ago has occupied my time.Does anybody have a Soundfield recording of > a loud nightclub or live music venue? I mean really LOUD electronic dance > or rock music. I understand this isn't something you'd normally take a > high-end mic to, but I need an accurate representation of the atmosphere. I > have live recordings taken from feeds, but these aren't representative of > what the "sound" is really like. A binaural or monaural recording (with > quality mics) would help, too, but marginal quality recordings made with a > Smartphone won't work (otherwise I'd go to YouTube and find tons of $%#@).I > checked uploaded recordings linked to the ambisonic net site: Very cool > stuff, but not what I need for a particular study.Best regards,Eric > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20150606/1d3221e5/attachment.html > > > ___ > Sursound mailing list > Sursound@music.vt.edu > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, > edit account or options, view archives and so on. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20150606/f25f162f/attachment.html> ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
Re: [Sursound] Ambisonics recording of LOUD night club or venue?
On 2015-06-06, Hugh Pyle wrote: I have a few loud bands. How about this one in B-format? Small venue with rowdy people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqxd5KnN8ns +1 Now that I thought about it, a couple of (purely theoretical) words on mic care in loud conditions... Try to keep your soundfield mic away from the near field of small, reflex type subs/bass speakers. Especially the traditional, large capsule surface area, low noise types like Mark IV/V. That's because while they can take huge amounts of radiative flux, they might not be so great with the near field where radiatively speaking small speaker have to actually move air. Leading to "flapping trousers" an such; flapping wind shields and such, with microphones. If you have to park your mic in the radiative near field, then the design should be miniaturized, and shouldn't involve membrane based capsules. Despite the fact that that will yield higher inherent noise levels. Only designs based around electret capsules and the like will withstand the mechanical forces caused by a near field where air is actually moving about. But then you shouldn't park your microphone there to begin with. The reactivity of such fields breaks the assumptions of the usual, passive ambisonic decoder to begin with. And while in a typical club space the field will be rather reactive even at the center of the space, it won't have the specific reactivity of any one source's near field; picked up from the center, or "the sweet spot", any reactivity rather contributes to spaciousness, and can even be actively decoded to greater envelopment, using measures such as DirAC. Thus, stay away from the bass speakers. Try to get as far into the radiative far field as the space allows. Then use an old style, high phantom voltage fed condenser design, if you can, leading to low noise. Those can take the beating, too, while at such a placement offer lower inherent self-noise. -- Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - de...@iki.fi, http://decoy.iki.fi/front +358-40-3255353, 025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2 ___ Sursound mailing list Sursound@music.vt.edu https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
