Re: CS>Storage of CS

[Ode Coyote]

In a test tube, yes.
In a body, lots and lots of evidence...so... what is "proof" ?

ode


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Ode
  far as you are aware is there any modality which has been proved to KILL a 
virus ?

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On Nov 28, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:

There are a few clinical studies around, but the FDA doesn't see that as "proof"
Google colloidal silver + CYSTIC FIBROSIS..interesting, but "proof"?

ode




On 11/27/2014 8:01 PM, Reece Maxey wrote:
I would have to buy some beer to try what you say, ode! I'll take you at your 
word.
I do have questions, but would take up to much time/space to discuss.

On another tack, my grandson wants "scientific proof" colloidal silver "works". 
Got
any good sources?
Reece

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On Nov 27, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:

Be aware that glass is not 'waterproof' and may leave residues impregnating the 
glass that will leach out over time and contaminate your EIS.
..just try and get the stink out of an old beer bottle ?


Boil the glass in distilled water to pre-leach contaminants.

Ode



On 11/27/2014 12:13 PM, Reece Maxey wrote:
Thanks Ode. I will use only silver and water, and try to find a glass gallon 
jug such as used
for cider years ago.

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 27, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:



On 11/26/2014 7:13 PM, Reece Maxey wrote:
I hope to begin producing my own CS soon. I would appreciate advice on the 
following as
pertains to storage: container material; exposure to light; ambient temperature 
and anything
else of importance.

If made using only silver and water, there is no limitations as to light 
exposure.
Air exposure can eventually oxidize some of the ionic content and turn it 
yellow..bottles are better than jars as the narrow neck limits surface area 
exposed to the air.

A various assortment of AC/DC converters can be found at Thrift stores; some 
might be suit-
able for a CS generator with observing safety in mind. Many computer speaker 
systems have
adapters with 18-20 volt DC output. Would take longer than the 3 nine volt 
battery setup, but
should be successful.

Voltage is nearly irrelevant...current and current density on the electrodes is 
what is important.
Voltage is a function of current across a conductive medium.  That's 3 
inter-related and changing factors to consider, control and monitor.
Constant voltage is a set up for 'runaway' current and the higher the voltage 
the faster it'll run away...which makes high concentration zones at the 
electrode surface and in the water between the electrodes where large particles 
and oxides form...and makes it impossible to tell how strong you made it.

To  make EIS fast and still be predictable takes VERY large electrodes to keep 
the current density spread out.

ONE nine volt battery would be preferable...even 1 or 2 AA batteries.

Ode

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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[Terry Lee Gonzalez]

Re CS>MSM rids Parasites

Harsha, I take my MSM with my morning coffee because unlike a lot of 
supplements/nutrients it crosses the blood brain barrier and has an 
energizing effect (at about 5g).  In fact, I usually recommend to people 
that they NOT take MSM before they go to bed, because your brain will be 
so active you won't be able to fall asleep.  But back to your original 
question, MSM powder can be taken with either hot or cold liquid.  It is 
not degraded by heat.  So you could take it with hot tea, hot coffee or 
cold orange juice.  It can be added to a protein shake, apple sauce, 
yogurt or even soup!  The options are endless. Those of us who are truly 
hardcore put the powder on our tongues and wash it down with water.


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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[sol]

I tried for at least a couple years to take MSM, but it gives me serious 
diarrhea. I could never build up to the doses anecdotally said to be 
effective. I still have some, and do use it with CS in eye and nose 
drops and have used some topically at times. But I just can't take it 
orally.
This might be somehow connected to my inablility to take any oral 
magnesium without diarrhea. Something amiss in my guts I have never been 
able to fix.

sol

Terry Lee Gonzalez wrote:
Harsha, I take my MSM with my morning coffee because unlike a lot of 
supplements/nutrients it crosses the blood brain barrier and has an 
energizing effect (at about 5g).  In fact, I usually recommend to 
people that they NOT take MSM before they go to bed, because your 
brain will be so active you won't be able to fall asleep.  But back to 
your original question, MSM powder can be taken with either hot or 
cold liquid.  It is not degraded by heat.  So you could take it with 
hot tea, hot coffee or cold orange juice.  It can be added to a 
protein shake, apple sauce, yogurt or even soup!  The options are 
endless. Those of us who are truly hardcore put the powder on our 
tongues and wash it down with water.


Terry




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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[Lena Guyot]

Hi Sol,
Who knows? Marc Fett's adjunct of taking it with CS sublingually might work for 
you, as a small dose would circulate through the entire body via the blood 
vessels under the tongue, without so much contact with the digestive tract.
Be well,
Léna
On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:21 AM, sol wrote:

> I tried for at least a couple years to take MSM, but it gives me serious 
> diarrhea. I could never build up to the doses anecdotally said to be 
> effective. I still have some, and do use it with CS in eye and nose drops and 
> have used some topically at times. But I just can't take it orally.
> This might be somehow connected to my inablility to take any oral magnesium 
> without diarrhea. Something amiss in my guts I have never been able to fix.
> sol
> 
> Terry Lee Gonzalez wrote:
>> Harsha, I take my MSM with my morning coffee because unlike a lot of 
>> supplements/nutrients it crosses the blood brain barrier and has an 
>> energizing effect (at about 5g).  In fact, I usually recommend to people 
>> that they NOT take MSM before they go to bed, because your brain will be so 
>> active you won't be able to fall asleep.  But back to your original 
>> question, MSM powder can be taken with either hot or cold liquid.  It is not 
>> degraded by heat.  So you could take it with hot tea, hot coffee or cold 
>> orange juice.  It can be added to a protein shake, apple sauce, yogurt or 
>> even soup!  The options are endless. Those of us who are truly hardcore put 
>> the powder on our tongues and wash it down with water.
>> 
>> Terry
>> 
> 
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[PT Ferrance]

It may just mean you have good levels without supplementation.
PT

 



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Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281
 

I tried for at least a couple years to take MSM, but it gives me serious 
diarrhea. I could never build up to the doses anecdotally said to be 
effective. I still have some, and do use it with CS in eye and nose 
drops and have used some topically at times. But I just can't take it 
orally.
This might be somehow connected to my inablility to take any oral 
magnesium without diarrhea. Something amiss in my guts I have never been 
able to fix.
sol

Terry Lee Gonzalez wrote:
> Harsha, I take my MSM with my morning coffee because unlike a lot of 
> supplements/nutrients it crosses the blood brain barrier and has an 
> energizing effect (at about 5g).  In fact, I usually recommend to 
> people that they NOT take MSM before they go to bed, because your 
> brain will be so active you won't be able to fall asleep.  But back to 
> your original question, MSM powder can be taken with either hot or 
> cold liquid.  It is not degraded by heat.  So you could take it with 
> hot tea, hot coffee or cold orange juice.  It can be added to a 
> protein shake, apple sauce, yogurt or even soup!  The options are 
> endless. Those of us who are truly hardcore put the powder on our 
> tongues and wash it down with water.
>
> Terry
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CS>Re: MSM ( was >MSM rids Parasites)

[HARSHA GODAVARI]

Hi terry:
   Thanks for the information. I have to try that coffee thing :-) Usually I 
drink a glass of water and then begin the coffee manufacture So far I have 
taken MSM (about a gram 1/4 tsp) crystals engulfed in something or the other 
soft mush.I found the crystal taste not very palatable. Thats why I was looking 
for masking agent. I wonder what it does to the taste of coffee..

my feeling is there is no info on optimum quantity or time to take it, with or 
without solid food etc. thats why I posted a message under the header "MSM: 
Dosage".Have not seen too many reponses yet.

Regards
hg
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Sent: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:52:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

Re CS>MSM rids Parasites

Harsha, I take my MSM with my morning coffee because unlike a lot of 
supplements/nutrients it crosses the blood brain barrier and has an 
energizing effect (at about 5g).  In fact, I usually recommend to people 
that they NOT take MSM before they go to bed, because your brain will be 
so active you won't be able to fall asleep.  But back to your original 
question, MSM powder can be taken with either hot or cold liquid.  It is 
not degraded by heat.  So you could take it with hot tea, hot coffee or 
cold orange juice.  It can be added to a protein shake, apple sauce, 
yogurt or even soup!  The options are endless. Those of us who are truly 
hardcore put the powder on our tongues and wash it down with water.

Terry

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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[sol]

Lena Guyot wrote:

Hi Sol,
Who knows? Marc Fett's adjunct of taking it with CS sublingually might 
work for you, as a small dose would circulate through the entire body 
via the blood vessels under the tongue, without so much contact with 
the digestive tract.

Be well,
Léna

Lena,
I never thought of trying it sublingually. But honestly, I can't imagine 
taking something so incredibly bitter that way, LOL. Another thing I've 
run across is the idea of taking a small pinch of flowers of sulfur a 
day for 2-3 days to get rid of endotoxin producing gut bacteria. I'm 
wondering if MSM can do the same thing.


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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[sol]

PT Ferrance wrote:

It may just mean you have good levels without supplementation.
PT
 
That is an interesting idea. I have always craved onions and ate them 
almost daily. Lately they have been bothering me though.

sol




I tried for at least a couple years to take MSM, but it gives me serious
diarrhea. I could never build up to the doses anecdotally said to be
effective. I still have some, and do use it with CS in eye and nose
drops and have used some topically at times. But I just can't take it
orally.
This might be somehow connected to my inablility to take any oral
magnesium without diarrhea. Something amiss in my guts I have never been
able to fix.
sol



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Re: CS>Re: MSM ( was >MSM rids Parasites)

[sol]

HARSHA GODAVARI wrote:

Hi terry:
   Thanks for the information. I have to try that coffee thing :-) Usually I 
drink a glass of water and then begin the coffee manufacture So far I have 
taken MSM (about a gram 1/4 tsp) crystals engulfed in something or the other 
soft mush.I found the crystal taste not very palatable. Thats why I was looking 
for masking agent. I wonder what it does to the taste of coffee..
  

For me it ruined the taste of coffee.
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[Lena Guyot]

Hi Sol,
I agree completely on the bitterness, which is why I wrote this, Nov. 27:

One adjunct that Marc Fett has suggested over at lymestrategies, is to take an 
MSM capsule, open it, drip in some CS to dissolve it, recap, pierce the side 
with a pin and tuck it under your tongue for 15 to 30 min. By keeping your 
tongue plastered to the roof of your mouth, your taste-buds won't even notice, 
and the blood vessels beneath your tongue will transport the benefits of the 
capsule to your entire body without being altered by your digestive tract. Then 
swallow fast and chase with water or juice. This is almost as good as I.V. MSM 
and I've used it when in crisis.

Be well,
Léna
On Nov 29, 2014, at 1:07 PM, sol wrote:

> Lena Guyot wrote:
>> Hi Sol,
>> Who knows? Marc Fett's adjunct of taking it with CS sublingually might work 
>> for you, as a small dose would circulate through the entire body via the 
>> blood vessels under the tongue, without so much contact with the digestive 
>> tract.
>> Be well,
>> Léna
> Lena,
> I never thought of trying it sublingually. But honestly, I can't imagine 
> taking something so incredibly bitter that way, LOL. Another thing I've run 
> across is the idea of taking a small pinch of flowers of sulfur a day for 2-3 
> days to get rid of endotoxin producing gut bacteria. I'm wondering if MSM can 
> do the same thing.
> 
> sol
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[sol]

Lena Guyot wrote:

Hi Sol,
I agree completely on the bitterness, which is why I wrote this, Nov. 27:

One adjunct that Marc Fett has suggested over at lymestrategies, is to 
take an MSM capsule, open it, drip in some CS to dissolve it, recap, 
pierce the side with a pin and tuck it under your tongue for 15 to 30 
min. By keeping your tongue plastered to the roof of your mouth, your 
taste-buds won't even notice,

Lena,
 I saw your post, but just don't think I can do it.
sol

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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[Lena Guyot]

My tongue is the biggest wuss, but I discovered that in this position, it 
really notices nothing. Then one hard swallow at the end, after the capsule has 
dissolved, chased by a gulp of some favorite liquid that you have handy, and 
you've just given your whole body a tremendous benefit. L
On Nov 29, 2014, at 2:26 PM, sol wrote:

> Lena Guyot wrote:
>> Hi Sol,
>> I agree completely on the bitterness, which is why I wrote this, Nov. 27:
>> 
>> One adjunct that Marc Fett has suggested over at lymestrategies, is to take 
>> an MSM capsule, open it, drip in some CS to dissolve it, recap, pierce the 
>> side with a pin and tuck it under your tongue for 15 to 30 min. By keeping 
>> your tongue plastered to the roof of your mouth, your taste-buds won't even 
>> notice,
> Lena,
> I saw your post, but just don't think I can do it.
> sol
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Re: CS>Storage of CS

[Sandra George]

Thanks Ode, which evidence is the most possible because I want to rid my body 
of this chickenguyna virus as soon as possible, am taking MMS, MSM, EIS and 
anything suggested which may do the trick, I do not want to have this ongoing
madness for the next four years, which research is suggesting to be the life of 
this one !Had enough with herpes for over 40 years !!  Too olde 
for this now 
Cheers
Sandee🐬
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On 29 Nov 2014, at 08:34, Ode Coyote  wrote:

In a test tube, yes.
In a body, lots and lots of evidence...so... what is "proof" ?

ode


On 11/28/2014 9:28 AM, Sandra George wrote:
> Ode
>  far as you are aware is there any modality which has been proved to KILL a 
> virus ?
> 
> Sandee🐬
> Attitude is everything
> Alive Again Colloidal Silver
> Eye drops & Topical Gel
> aliveagai...@yahoo.com
> 
> On Nov 28, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:
> 
> There are a few clinical studies around, but the FDA doesn't see that as 
> "proof"
> Google colloidal silver + CYSTIC FIBROSIS..interesting, but "proof"?
> 
> ode
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/27/2014 8:01 PM, Reece Maxey wrote:
>> I would have to buy some beer to try what you say, ode! I'll take you at 
>> your word.
>> I do have questions, but would take up to much time/space to discuss.
>> 
>> On another tack, my grandson wants "scientific proof" colloidal silver 
>> "works". Got
>> any good sources?
>> Reece
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 27, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Be aware that glass is not 'waterproof' and may leave residues impregnating 
>>> the glass that will leach out over time and contaminate your EIS.
>>> ..just try and get the stink out of an old beer bottle ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Boil the glass in distilled water to pre-leach contaminants.
>>> 
>>> Ode
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11/27/2014 12:13 PM, Reece Maxey wrote:
 Thanks Ode. I will use only silver and water, and try to find a glass 
 gallon jug such as used
 for cider years ago.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Nov 27, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Ode Coyote  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 11/26/2014 7:13 PM, Reece Maxey wrote:
>> I hope to begin producing my own CS soon. I would appreciate advice on 
>> the following as
>> pertains to storage: container material; exposure to light; ambient 
>> temperature and anything
>> else of importance.
> If made using only silver and water, there is no limitations as to light 
> exposure.
> Air exposure can eventually oxidize some of the ionic content and turn it 
> yellow..bottles are better than jars as the narrow neck limits surface 
> area exposed to the air.
>> A various assortment of AC/DC converters can be found at Thrift stores; 
>> some might be suit-
>> able for a CS generator with observing safety in mind. Many computer 
>> speaker systems have
>> adapters with 18-20 volt DC output. Would take longer than the 3 nine 
>> volt battery setup, but
>> should be successful.
> Voltage is nearly irrelevant...current and current density on the 
> electrodes is what is important.
> Voltage is a function of current across a conductive medium.  That's 3 
> inter-related and changing factors to consider, control and monitor.
> Constant voltage is a set up for 'runaway' current and the higher the 
> voltage the faster it'll run away...which makes high concentration zones 
> at the electrode surface and in the water between the electrodes where 
> large particles and oxides form...and makes it impossible to tell how 
> strong you made it.
> 
> To  make EIS fast and still be predictable takes VERY large electrodes to 
> keep the current density spread out.
> 
> ONE nine volt battery would be preferable...even 1 or 2 AA batteries.
> 
> Ode
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[Dan Nave]

Why in the world would you want to extend the bitter taste by mixing MSM
into anything?

Just dump the crystals in your mouth, quick take a mouthful of water, swish
it around quickly to surround the crystals, and swallow.  Take another
mouthful of water.  Then go ahead and have your apple sauce, coffee, or
whatever.  Coffee might be good, after the fact.  It will either make it
taste less bitter by contrast, or make it more bitter, not sure.

Dan

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Terry Lee Gonzalez <
tampa-te...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> Re CS>MSM rids Parasites
>
> Harsha, I take my MSM with my morning coffee because unlike a lot of
> supplements/nutrients it crosses the blood brain barrier and has an
> energizing effect (at about 5g).  In fact, I usually recommend to people
> that they NOT take MSM before they go to bed, because your brain will be so
> active you won't be able to fall asleep.  But back to your original
> question, MSM powder can be taken with either hot or cold liquid.  It is
> not degraded by heat.  So you could take it with hot tea, hot coffee or
> cold orange juice.  It can be added to a protein shake, apple sauce, yogurt
> or even soup!  The options are endless. Those of us who are truly hardcore
> put the powder on our tongues and wash it down with water.
>
> Terry
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[PT Ferrance]

How do you get the hole in the capsule without destroying it, Lena?
Thanks. PT

 



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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281
 


My tongue is the biggest wuss, but I discovered that in this position, it 
really notices nothing. Then one hard swallow at the end, after the capsule has 
dissolved, chased by a gulp of some favorite liquid that you have handy, and 
you've just given your whole body a tremendous benefit. L




On Nov 29, 2014, at 2:26 PM, sol wrote:

Lena Guyot wrote:
>
>Hi Sol,
>>
>I agree completely on the bitterness, which is why I wrote this, Nov. 27:
>>
>
>>
>One adjunct that Marc Fett has suggested over at lymestrategies, is to take an 
>MSM capsule, open it, drip in some CS to dissolve it, recap, pierce the side 
>with a pin and tuck it under your tongue for 15 to 30 min. By keeping your 
>tongue plastered to the roof of your mouth, your taste-buds won't even notice,
>>Lena,
>I saw your post, but just don't think I can do it.
>sol
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[sol]

Lena Guyot wrote:
My tongue is the biggest wuss, but I discovered that in this position, 
it really notices nothing. Then one hard swallow at the end, after the 
capsule has dissolved, chased by a gulp of some favorite liquid that 
you have handy, and you've just given your whole body a tremendous 
benefit. L
It is mainly that I am a lifelong mouth breather, I just don't think I 
can hold my tongue in that position for any length of time. I can't even 
do oil pulling for more than about 5 min.
What are the benefits you get from MSM? Are they definitive--i.e. you 
can say that MSM has fixed condition Z or symptom X?

thanks,
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[sol]

Dan Nave wrote:
Why in the world would you want to extend the bitter taste by mixing 
MSM into anything? Â 

Just dump the crystals in your mouth, quick take a mouthful of water, 
swish it around quickly to surround the crystals, and swallow.  Take 
another mouthful of water.  Then go ahead and have your apple sauce, 
coffee, or whatever.  Coffee might be good, after the fact.  It will 
either make it taste less bitter by contrast, or make it more bitter, 
not sure.



Dan, that was exactly my feeling!
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[sol]

Dan Nave wrote:
Why in the world would you want to extend the bitter taste by mixing 
MSM into anything? Â 

Just dump the crystals in your mouth, quick take a mouthful of water, 
swish it around quickly to surround the crystals, and swallow.  Take 
another mouthful of water.  Then go ahead and have your apple sauce, 
coffee, or whatever.  Coffee might be good, after the fact.  It will 
either make it taste less bitter by contrast, or make it more bitter, 
not sure.



Dan, that was exactly my feeling!
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[Lena Guyot]

I just stick a push-pin in the side. The gelatin keeps its structure long 
enough to get under my tongue and the hole then accelerates its dissolving. 
Marc never mentioned a hole, but I wanted to make sure that it would dissolve 
in a timely way: not too enthusiastic about holding it under my tongue for 
longer than necessary. L
On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:11 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

> How do you get the hole in the capsule without destroying it, Lena?
> Thanks. PT
>  
> 
> From: Lena Guyot 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281
> 
> My tongue is the biggest wuss, but I discovered that in this position, it 
> really notices nothing. Then one hard swallow at the end, after the capsule 
> has dissolved, chased by a gulp of some favorite liquid that you have handy, 
> and you've just given your whole body a tremendous benefit. L
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 2:26 PM, sol wrote:
> 
>> Lena Guyot wrote:
>>> Hi Sol,
>>> I agree completely on the bitterness, which is why I wrote this, Nov. 27:
>>> 
>>> One adjunct that Marc Fett has suggested over at lymestrategies, is to take 
>>> an MSM capsule, open it, drip in some CS to dissolve it, recap, pierce the 
>>> side with a pin and tuck it under your tongue for 15 to 30 min. By keeping 
>>> your tongue plastered to the roof of your mouth, your taste-buds won't even 
>>> notice,
>> Lena,
>> I saw your post, but just don't think I can do it.
>> sol
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[Lena Guyot]

Sub-lingually, it sees to give my immune system a major boost when I'm fighting 
an infection, and it always amplifies the other protocols I do. When I feel 
relatively fine, I just take a capsule by mouth with my other supplements.
As for being a mouth breather, you might find that misting CS up your 
nose/sinuses could perhaps change the underlying problem with that, as 
mouth-breathing is tough on the teeth and not really the way we were meant to 
breathe, especially in winter with dryness, etc.
Be well,
Léna
On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:20 PM, sol wrote:

> Lena Guyot wrote:
>> My tongue is the biggest wuss, but I discovered that in this position, it 
>> really notices nothing. Then one hard swallow at the end, after the capsule 
>> has dissolved, chased by a gulp of some favorite liquid that you have handy, 
>> and you've just given your whole body a tremendous benefit. L
> It is mainly that I am a lifelong mouth breather, I just don't think I can 
> hold my tongue in that position for any length of time. I can't even do oil 
> pulling for more than about 5 min.
> What are the benefits you get from MSM? Are they definitive--i.e. you can say 
> that MSM has fixed condition Z or symptom X?
> thanks,
> sol
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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #282

[Sara Mandal-Joy]

On 11/29/2014 9:52 AM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:

Also if memory serves our body produces MSM.


Yes, the body does produce MSM, but the amount produced lessens from 
late puberty on,  none or almost none by senior years.  I take it every 
day.   Am shortly in severe pain when I don't.  Its a life saver.  It 
doesn't "fix" my arthritis.  When I stop taking it, which I try out from 
time to time, the pain comes back.  I'm not completely pain free with 
it, but do far better, and maintain my flexibility, keeping the joints 
from swelling and becoming rigid and distorted.



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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks, Lena.
PT

 



 From: Lena Guyot 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281
 


I just stick a push-pin in the side. The gelatin keeps its structure long 
enough to get under my tongue and the hole then accelerates its dissolving. 
Marc never mentioned a hole, but I wanted to make sure that it would dissolve 
in a timely way: not too enthusiastic about holding it under my tongue for 
longer than necessary. L



On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:11 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

How do you get the hole in the capsule without destroying it, Lena?
>Thanks. PT
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> From: Lena Guyot 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:03 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281
> 
>
>
>My tongue is the biggest wuss, but I discovered that in this position, it 
>really notices nothing. Then one hard swallow at the end, after the capsule 
>has dissolved, chased by a gulp of some favorite liquid that you have handy, 
>and you've just given your whole body a tremendous benefit. L
>
>
>
>
>On Nov 29, 2014, at 2:26 PM, sol wrote:
>
>Lena Guyot wrote:
>>
>>Hi Sol,
>>>
>>I agree completely on the bitterness, which is why I wrote this, Nov. 27:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>One adjunct that Marc Fett has suggested over at lymestrategies, is to take 
>>an MSM capsule, open it, drip in some CS to dissolve it, recap, pierce the 
>>side with a pin and tuck it under your tongue for 15 to 30 min. By keeping 
>>your tongue plastered to the roof of your mouth, your taste-buds won't even 
>>notice,
>>>Lena,
>>I saw your post, but just don't think I can do it.
>>sol
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CS>nebulizer

[PT Ferrance]

Maybe I'm just being a wuss about this but no one in my family growing up ever 
had breathing problems so I never saw a nebulizer being used.

I'm trying to get some EIS into my system without having to go through the GI 
system so I thought nebulizing would work.
I would appreciate any guidance people who have used this method can give.
Thanks.
PT

Re: CS>nebulizer

[Deborah Gerard]

I've done it plenty of times..Deb 

 On Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:53 PM, PT Ferrance 
 wrote:
   

 Maybe I'm just being a wuss about this but no one in my family growing up ever 
had breathing problems so I never saw a nebulizer being used.
I'm trying to get some EIS into my system without having to go through the GI 
system so I thought nebulizing would work.I would appreciate any guidance 
people who have used this method can give.Thanks.PT
 


   

Re: CS>Storage of CS

[123 456]

Hi Sandee
Have you tried oregano oil for the virus?
It's the strongest natural virus killer there is.
Very strong taste and burns a bit so put a few drops in a glass of
juice and knock it back.
You can also paint it on your throat or lung area but it will burn and
tingle so go slowly with it until you find what you can tolerate. It
can be nasty, when my cat bad a virus last s.er I put some on her ears
to help boost her immune systemit burned them or else she detoxed
out her ears. Hard to say which but I spent a week cleaning the
hardened crustys off. Her ears were OK though and she recovered from
her symptoms very fast.
 Best wishes.
Tara

On 11/29/14, Sandra George  wrote:
> Thanks Ode, which evidence is the most possible because I want to rid my
> body of this chickenguyna virus as soon as possible, am taking MMS, MSM, EIS
> and anything suggested which may do the trick, I do not want to have this
> ongoing
> madness for the next four years, which research is suggesting to be the life
> of this one !Had enough with herpes for over 40 years !!
> Too olde for this now 
> Cheers
> Sandee🐬
> Attitude is everything !!!
> Sandra George
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> Eye Drops & Topical Gel
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>
>
>
> On 29 Nov 2014, at 08:34, Ode Coyote  wrote:
>
> In a test tube, yes.
> In a body, lots and lots of evidence...so... what is "proof" ?
>
> ode
>
>
> On 11/28/2014 9:28 AM, Sandra George wrote:
>> Ode
>>  far as you are aware is there any modality which has been proved to KILL
>> a virus ?
>>
>> Sandee🐬
>> Attitude is everything
>> Alive Again Colloidal Silver
>> Eye drops & Topical Gel
>> aliveagai...@yahoo.com
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Ode Coyote 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There are a few clinical studies around, but the FDA doesn't see that as
>> "proof"
>> Google colloidal silver + CYSTIC FIBROSIS..interesting, but "proof"?
>>
>> ode
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 11/27/2014 8:01 PM, Reece Maxey wrote:
>>> I would have to buy some beer to try what you say, ode! I'll take you at
>>> your word.
>>> I do have questions, but would take up to much time/space to discuss.
>>>
>>> On another tack, my grandson wants "scientific proof" colloidal silver
>>> "works". Got
>>> any good sources?
>>> Reece
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
 On Nov 27, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Ode Coyote 
 wrote:

 Be aware that glass is not 'waterproof' and may leave residues
 impregnating the glass that will leach out over time and contaminate
 your EIS.
 ..just try and get the stink out of an old beer bottle ?


 Boil the glass in distilled water to pre-leach contaminants.

 Ode


> On 11/27/2014 12:13 PM, Reece Maxey wrote:
> Thanks Ode. I will use only silver and water, and try to find a glass
> gallon jug such as used
> for cider years ago.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 27, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Ode Coyote 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 11/26/2014 7:13 PM, Reece Maxey wrote:
>>> I hope to begin producing my own CS soon. I would appreciate advice
>>> on the following as
>>> pertains to storage: container material; exposure to light; ambient
>>> temperature and anything
>>> else of importance.
>> If made using only silver and water, there is no limitations as to
>> light exposure.
>> Air exposure can eventually oxidize some of the ionic content and turn
>> it yellow..bottles are better than jars as the narrow neck limits
>> surface area exposed to the air.
>>> A various assortment of AC/DC converters can be found at Thrift
>>> stores; some might be suit-
>>> able for a CS generator with observing safety in mind. Many computer
>>> speaker systems have
>>> adapters with 18-20 volt DC output. Would take longer than the 3 nine
>>> volt battery setup, but
>>> should be successful.
>> Voltage is nearly irrelevant...current and current density on the
>> electrodes is what is important.
>> Voltage is a function of current across a conductive medium.  That's 3
>> inter-related and changing factors to consider, control and monitor.
>> Constant voltage is a set up for 'runaway' current and the higher the
>> voltage the faster it'll run away...which makes high concentration
>> zones at the electrode surface and in the water between the electrodes
>> where large particles and oxides form...and makes it impossible to
>> tell how strong you made it.
>>
>> To  make EIS fast and still be predictable takes VERY large electrodes
>> to keep the current density spread out.
>>
>> ONE nine volt battery would be preferable...even 1 or 2 AA batteries.
>>
>> Ode
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Re: CS>Storage Of CS

[Phil Morrison]

PET bottles are loaded with antimony, which is a hormone disruptor with
long term cardiotoxicity implications.

Antimony is a trace nutrient:  a little goes a long way and
too much can be lethal.

Plastics are filled with surprises.

Best to store CS in glass only.

Re: CS>Re: MSM ( was >MSM rids Parasites)

[John Popelish]

On 11/29/2014 12:39 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI wrote:

Hi terry: Thanks for the information. I have to try that
coffee thing :-) Usually I drink a glass of water and
then begin the coffee manufacture So far I have taken MSM
(about a gram 1/4 tsp) crystals engulfed in something or
the other soft mush.I found the crystal taste not very
palatable. Thats why I was looking for masking agent. I
wonder what it does to the taste of coffee..

my feeling is there is no info on optimum quantity or
time to take it, with or without solid food etc. thats
why I posted a message under the header "MSM:
Dosage".Have not seen too many reponses yet.


In my experience, the MSM granules have a lot more taste 
than they have when dissolved in anything liquid.  When I 
open a bottle of wine, I add a half teaspoon or so to the 
bottle.  I add a few tablespoons to my restaurant type sugar 
dispenser, when I refill it with a couple cups of sugar.  I 
also add a teaspoon of salt substitute (potassium salt) but 
that is a different topic. That way, my tea always has a 
little MSM.  I also put it in soup.  I keep a shaker type 
spice bottle of it handy, so I can add it to anything wet. 
I also shake a little on my dog's meals to help with her 
joint damage.


It is nice that there is almost no way to overdose on MSM. 
It is less toxic than sugar.  A cup a day probably wouldn't 
hurt you.  But a teaspoon or so a day is all you need.


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Re: CS>Re: MSM ( was >MSM rids Parasites)

[John Popelish]

On 11/29/2014 01:10 PM, sol wrote:

HARSHA GODAVARI wrote:

Hi terry: Thanks for the information. I have to try
that coffee thing :-) Usually I drink a glass of water
and then begin the coffee manufacture So far I have
taken MSM (about a gram 1/4 tsp) crystals engulfed in
something or the other soft mush.I found the crystal
taste not very palatable. Thats why I was looking for
masking agent. I wonder what it does to the taste of
coffee..



For me it ruined the taste of coffee. sol


The ability to taste MSM must vary widely, from person to 
person.  I can taste the solid granules on my tongue (bitter 
taste), but a quarter teaspoon in a cup or a half teaspoon 
in a bottle of wine has no taste, as far as I can tell.


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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[sol]

Lena Guyot wrote:
Sub-lingually, it sees to give my immune system a major boost when I'm 
fighting an infection, and it always amplifies the other protocols I 
do. When I feel relatively fine, I just take a capsule by mouth with 
my other supplements.
As for being a mouth breather, you might find that misting CS up your 
nose/sinuses could perhaps change the underlying problem with that, as 
mouth-breathing is tough on the teeth and not really the way we were 
meant to breathe, especially in winter with dryness, etc.
Thanks, I do mist CS and or dropper it up my sinuses, and have done for 
about 10 years. I do know that mouth breathing is bad, I've just failed 
at every attempt to correct it, and I have tried lots of remedies, even 
taping my mouth shut.

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Re: CS>Re: MSM ( was >MSM rids Parasites)

[sol]

John Popelish wrote:


The ability to taste MSM must vary widely, from person to person.  I 
can taste the solid granules on my tongue (bitter taste), but a 
quarter teaspoon in a cup or a half teaspoon in a bottle of wine has 
no taste, as far as I can tell.
A few years ago when the idea of some people being "super tasters" was 
making the rounds, I did the test and supposedly I am a super taster. 
Also some years ago, I knew online people who could put bare steroid 
tablets in their mouth and could eve chew them. Not a good idea at all, 
BTW, but once when caught out without anything to wash my (cut) tablet 
down with, I tried dry swallowing it, and it took well over 4 hours for 
the gawdawful bitter nasty taste to fade. Ever after, I put the cut 
tablet pieces in gelatin capsules, was the only way I could get them 
down without them contacting my tongue, LOL.

sol


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Re: CS>Re: MSM ( was >MSM rids Parasites)

[John Popelish]

On 11/29/2014 09:02 PM, sol wrote:


A few years ago when the idea of some people being "super
 tasters" was making the rounds, I did the test and
supposedly I am a super taster. Also some years ago, I
knew online people who could put bare steroid tablets in
their mouth and could eve chew them. Not a good idea at
all, BTW, but once when caught out without anything to
wash my (cut) tablet down with, I tried dry swallowing
it, and it took well over 4 hours for the gawdawful
bitter nasty taste to fade. Ever after, I put the cut
tablet pieces in gelatin capsules, was the only way I
could get them down without them contacting my tongue,
LOL.


I don't think it is a matter of being a super taster or 
having a not sensitive palette.  It is a case of specific 
chemicals having a strong taste or no taste, at all, 
depending on the genetics that built your taste buds.


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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #283

[Terry Lee Gonzalez]

Sol, try taking your MSM with food.  Doing so is supposed to reduce the 
gastrointestinal side effects that some people experience.  You could 
start with 1/2 gram (or even less!) three times a day.  MSM is just a 
highly bioavailable form of sulfur.  Protein, eggs, and veggies in the 
allium family (garlic, onions, leeks and chives) are also high in 
organosulfur compounds.


My good advice and intentions aside, listen to your body.  What's good 
for one person isn't always good for the next.


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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #283

[Terry Lee Gonzalez]

Harsha, I take 1 teaspoon of MSM (5g) in a cup of coffee and don't 
notice the taste one way or the other.  My husband insists that I NOT 
add MSM to his coffee because he doesn't like the taste.  He can tell, I 
can't.


A few things (amino acids in particular, proteases (protein-digesting 
enzymes) used to reduce inflammation and some herbs) are better taken on 
an empty stomach.  But the majority of vitamins and minerals are better 
taken with food.  MSM falls into the latter category of being better 
taken with food.  My bet is that Sol will be able to work up to 
higher/therapeutic levels of MSM if he takes it in divided doses with food.


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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[Lena Guyot]

Hi Sol,
I'm so sorry! That must be very frustrating for you. When I studied yoga I 
learned pranayama (google it: many good sources) and it was essentially for 
increased life force, spirituality, etc. but after having done physical therapy 
for my broken ankle, I'm wondering if pranayama could be used as a kind of 
physical therapy for breathing: something done for a short spell every day, to 
encourage the natural breathing to become easier over time, with no immediate 
expectations of change.
I can sympathize with the taping idea, as I do mouth breathe when sleeping on 
my back and I'd awaken with a tongue that felt like a dried loofah and all my 
membranes felt like a snail desiccated in hot sun,  I've had to train myself to 
sleep only on my sides, something that was very difficult when I was in a heavy 
leg cast. I can imaging how challenging this must be for you.

In the next couple of days, I'll try my MSM capsule trick with my nose 
stoppered, to see if it's even possible to keep the tongue up and breathe at 
the same time. I'd imagine you probably aren't a fan of wasabi, as I've noticed 
if I open my mouth or speak with wasabi in it, it's hotness is much fiercer 
than when I breathe only through my nose.
You have my sympathies!
Be well,
Léna 
On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:54 PM, sol wrote:

> Lena Guyot wrote:
>> Sub-lingually, it sees to give my immune system a major boost when I'm 
>> fighting an infection, and it always amplifies the other protocols I do. 
>> When I feel relatively fine, I just take a capsule by mouth with my other 
>> supplements.
>> As for being a mouth breather, you might find that misting CS up your 
>> nose/sinuses could perhaps change the underlying problem with that, as 
>> mouth-breathing is tough on the teeth and not really the way we were meant 
>> to breathe, especially in winter with dryness, etc.
> Thanks, I do mist CS and or dropper it up my sinuses, and have done for about 
> 10 years. I do know that mouth breathing is bad, I've just failed at every 
> attempt to correct it, and I have tried lots of remedies, even taping my 
> mouth shut.
> sol
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2014 #281

[ASL raVen]

I,too, suffer from dry mouth snoring/mild apnea issues. Recently tried this
oral appliance device and it's awful.  I refuse to use the CPAP.  I was
hoping the Colloidal Silver would reduce the inflammation in my throat but
that wasn't the case.
Been reading about self-care of apnea with toning the inner throat by using
a
Didgeridoo
​… looking for a cheap one - as I refuse to use plastic models.


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On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Lena Guyot  wrote:

> Hi Sol,
> I'm so sorry! That must be very frustrating for you. When I studied yoga I
> learned pranayama (google it: many good sources) and it was essentially for
> increased life force, spirituality, etc. but after having done physical
> therapy for my broken ankle, I'm wondering if pranayama could be used as a
> kind of physical therapy for breathing: something done for a short spell
> every day, to encourage the natural breathing to become easier over time,
> with no immediate expectations of change.
> I can sympathize with the taping idea, as I do mouth breathe when sleeping
> on my back and I'd awaken with a tongue that felt like a dried loofah and
> all my membranes felt like a snail desiccated in hot sun,  I've had
> to train myself to sleep only on my sides, something that was very
> difficult when I was in a heavy leg cast. I can imaging how challenging
> this must be for you.
>
> In the next couple of days, I'll try my MSM capsule trick with my nose
> stoppered, to see if it's even possible to keep the tongue up and breathe
> at the same time. I'd imagine you probably aren't a fan of wasabi, as I've
> noticed if I open my mouth or speak with wasabi in it, it's hotness is much
> fiercer than when I breathe only through my nose.
> You have my sympathies!
> Be well,
> Léna
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:54 PM, sol wrote:
>
> Lena Guyot wrote:
>
> Sub-lingually, it sees to give my immune system a major boost when I'm
> fighting an infection, and it always amplifies the other protocols I do.
> When I feel relatively fine, I just take a capsule by mouth with my other
> supplements.
>
> As for being a mouth breather, you might find that misting CS up your
> nose/sinuses could perhaps change the underlying problem with that, as
> mouth-breathing is tough on the teeth and not really the way we were meant
> to breathe, especially in winter with dryness, etc.
>
> Thanks, I do mist CS and or dropper it up my sinuses, and have done for
> about 10 years. I do know that mouth breathing is bad, I've just failed at
> every attempt to correct it, and I have tried lots of remedies, even taping
> my mouth shut.
> sol
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