Re: [RE-wrenches] Retail price lists
Here is how I explain it to customers. Straight out of college, I was a financial analyst for an aerospace company working on government contracts. We did "cost-plus" contracts, which is what the client is essentially looking for. The government ended up paying too much for things this way. A fixed-price competitive contract is all the transparency a client needs. Another way I put it is that we charge what the market allows, and if that is not enough for us to provide an excellent customer experience, we simply pass on the job. No line item prices. The only things we might line item are permit costs and engineering fees for non-standard projects. Jason Szumlanski Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP) Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956 On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 6:56 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Wrenches > Bottom line package price, all inclusive one number, I list all the major > components inverter, modules ect. and all of what is included permits > engineering thats it system cost, tax incentive, rebate (if any) no a la > carte here sorry. > But thats just me! > > On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 8:11 AM Jay via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> I have a question about how wrenches are dealing with charging for >> equipment as most prices of most equipment on line at or below wholesale. >> >> If people are marking it up, how much? what metric are people using? I >> think victron might be the only company I’ve actually seen a retail price >> list for in years. >> Maybe it’s just marking up labor costs a lot? >> >> I’m not doing all that much work these days but enough that I’m trying to >> figure this out. >> >> Thanks >> Jay >> >> >> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the >> other: >> https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> http://www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > > ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org
Re: [RE-wrenches] Retail price lists
My question is: how/why is it that NAZ and the likes sell equipment for less than what I pay wholesale? On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:15 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Here is how I explain it to customers. Straight out of college, I was a > financial analyst for an aerospace company working on government contracts. > We did "cost-plus" contracts, which is what the client is essentially > looking for. The government ended up paying too much for things this way. A > fixed-price competitive contract is all the transparency a client needs. > > Another way I put it is that we charge what the market allows, and if that > is not enough for us to provide an excellent customer experience, we simply > pass on the job. > > No line item prices. The only things we might line item are permit costs > and engineering fees for non-standard projects. > > Jason Szumlanski > Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group > NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP) > Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956 > > > On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 6:56 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > >> Wrenches >> Bottom line package price, all inclusive one number, I list all the major >> components inverter, modules ect. and all of what is included permits >> engineering thats it system cost, tax incentive, rebate (if any) no a la >> carte here sorry. >> But thats just me! >> >> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 8:11 AM Jay via RE-wrenches < >> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> I have a question about how wrenches are dealing with charging for >>> equipment as most prices of most equipment on line at or below wholesale. >>> >>> If people are marking it up, how much? what metric are people using? I >>> think victron might be the only company I’ve actually seen a retail price >>> list for in years. >>> Maybe it’s just marking up labor costs a lot? >>> >>> I’m not doing all that much work these days but enough that I’m trying >>> to figure this out. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Jay >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>> >>> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try >>> the other: >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List rules & etiquette: >>> http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>> >>> Check out or update participant bios: >>> http://www.members.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the >> other: >> https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> http://www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> ___ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the > other: > https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List rules & etiquette: > http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > http://www.members.re-wrenches.org > > -- Michael Morningstar Morningstar Electric PO Box 1494 Mount Shasta, CA 96067 530-921-0560 mjmornings...@gmail.com ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.membe
Re: [RE-wrenches] Retail price lists
If a customer wants to use some of their own parts, I'll need to add some amount of hours for managing them and their purchase list, and make it clear in the contract that issues arising from incomplete or incorrect parts is on them. Or you can do what I saw at my mechanic shop the other day: Labor = $120/hr. If you bring your own parts, labor = $150/hr. Cheers, Dave On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:43 AM Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > My question is: how/why is it that NAZ and the likes sell equipment for > less than what I pay wholesale? > > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:15 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches < > re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > >> Here is how I explain it to customers. Straight out of college, I was a >> financial analyst for an aerospace company working on government contracts. >> We did "cost-plus" contracts, which is what the client is essentially >> looking for. The government ended up paying too much for things this way. A >> fixed-price competitive contract is all the transparency a client needs. >> >> Another way I put it is that we charge what the market allows, and if >> that is not enough for us to provide an excellent customer experience, we >> simply pass on the job. >> >> No line item prices. The only things we might line item are permit costs >> and engineering fees for non-standard projects. >> >> Jason Szumlanski >> Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group >> NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP) >> Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956 >> >> >> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 6:56 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches < >> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: >> >>> Wrenches >>> Bottom line package price, all inclusive one number, I list all the >>> major components inverter, modules ect. and all of what is included permits >>> engineering thats it system cost, tax incentive, rebate (if any) no a la >>> carte here sorry. >>> But thats just me! >>> >>> On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 8:11 AM Jay via RE-wrenches < >>> re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: >>> Hi All I have a question about how wrenches are dealing with charging for equipment as most prices of most equipment on line at or below wholesale. If people are marking it up, how much? what metric are people using? I think victron might be the only company I’ve actually seen a retail price list for in years. Maybe it’s just marking up labor costs a lot? I’m not doing all that much work these days but enough that I’m trying to figure this out. Thanks Jay ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ >>> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >>> >>> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> Change listserver email address & settings: >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try >>> the other: >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ >>> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >>> >>> List rules & etiquette: >>> http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >>> >>> Check out or update participant bios: >>> http://www.members.re-wrenches.org >>> >>> ___ >> List sponsored by Redwood Alliance >> >> Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org >> >> List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org >> >> Change listserver email address & settings: >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the >> other: >> https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ >> http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org >> >> List rules & etiquette: >> http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm >> >> Check out or update participant bios: >> http://www.members.re-wrenches.org >> >> > > -- > > Michael Morningstar > > > Morningstar Electric > > PO Box 1494 > > Mount Shasta, CA 96067 > > 530-921-0560 > > mjmornings...@gmail.com > > >
Re: [RE-wrenches] Retail price lists
NAZ is an extremely well run company ! Love those guys! On 2023-05-18 8:42 am, Michael Morningstar via RE-wrenches wrote: My question is: how/why is it that NAZ and the likes sell equipment for less than what I pay wholesale? On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 4:15 AM Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches wrote: Here is how I explain it to customers. Straight out of college, I was a financial analyst for an aerospace company working on government contracts. We did "cost-plus" contracts, which is what the client is essentially looking for. The government ended up paying too much for things this way. A fixed-price competitive contract is all the transparency a client needs. Another way I put it is that we charge what the market allows, and if that is not enough for us to provide an excellent customer experience, we simply pass on the job. No line item prices. The only things we might line item are permit costs and engineering fees for non-standard projects. Jason Szumlanski Principal Solar Designer | Florida Solar Design Group NABCEP Certified Solar Professional (PVIP) Florida State Certified Solar Contractor CVC56956 On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 6:56 PM Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches wrote: Wrenches Bottom line package price, all inclusive one number, I list all the major components inverter, modules ect. and all of what is included permits engineering thats it system cost, tax incentive, rebate (if any) no a la carte here sorry. But thats just me! On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 8:11 AM Jay via RE-wrenches wrote: Hi All I have a question about how wrenches are dealing with charging for equipment as most prices of most equipment on line at or below wholesale. If people are marking it up, how much? what metric are people using? I think victron might be the only company I've actually seen a retail price list for in years. Maybe it's just marking up labor costs a lot? I'm not doing all that much work these days but enough that I'm trying to figure this out. Thanks Jay ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org -- Michael Morningstar Morningstar Electric PO Box 1494 Mount Shasta, CA 96067 530-921-0560 mjmornings...@gmail.com ___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org There are two list archives for searching. When one doesn't work, try the other: https://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/ http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm Check out or update participant bios: http://www.members.re-wrenches.org___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance Pay optional member dues here: http://re-wrenches.org List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address & sett
