Re: [RBW] Fall Riding in Alberta

[Stephen]

These are so good Mack, missed the first one back in august. Makes me want 
to go ride my bike.

-stephen

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 7:15:22 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> For those inclined to follow along, here's my "tale of fall 
> <https://youtu.be/QHYWEnqN7s4?si=i8Ymj1yL6kf62I_v>," which in southern 
> alberta is now all but over, snow on the ground and still falling, 
> something like -10 degrees Celsius today. If you're hardcore, you might 
> also consider this semi-absurd overnighter 
> <https://youtu.be/g5Wgyit7vYs?si=2iADWpUXSwrEZw4m> I took my poor brother 
> on at the end of September. 
> Mack
>
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:20:18 PM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> Great looking rides. Been a while since I explored that part of the 
>> world. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 6:40:53 PM UTC-4 Andrew Letton wrote:
>>
>>> Love it!  Especially the butterfly cameo!
>>> cheers from Oz,
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 01:36:32 AM GMT+10, Mack Penner <
>>> penne...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi people,
>>> I have been on a small eric rohmer kick this year, and when I started 
>>> watching the tales of the four seasons it occurred to me that it would be 
>>> fun to document a week of riding in every season. I had the idea in the 
>>> summer, so first up is my tale of the summer. Nothin' fancy, I just perched 
>>> my phone on my water bottle like a hundred times during my daily rides in 
>>> the week from 14-18 August. I was gonna put it to music, but then I thought 
>>> that if the goal is to document seasonal riding vibes the sounds that the 
>>> season makes are important! Filmed in southern alberta on my atlantis, my 
>>> joe, my homer, and finally my quickbeam. 
>>> Vid's here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR01_FmkQOE>. Hope you find 
>>> it fun!
>>> Enjoy the rest of August,
>>> Mack 
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[RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[Stephen]

I’ll throw out another rec for VO fenders. Mounted the 65 fluted on my 
appaloosa with 50mm gravel kings, which seems to be maxxed out in my 
opinion. The install was difficult because i didnt have a nice space to do 
it in, but after the fact i think it wasn’t that much harder than plastic. 
I got my fenders on sale recently, itd be worth checking the price on them 
because i think theyre a bit cheaper than honjos. 

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:08:09 PM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Installation of the aluminum fenders is more challenging but achievable if 
> you have some patience and have all the hardware needed for a proper 
> install on your bike.
>
> The Honjos are superior: just a quality product, sturdy and solid, and 
> beautiful on the bike. I opted not to use fender tabs and bolted the 
> fenders into the fork crown (front - some would use a daruma but my fork 
> has an dedicated interior fender mount) and the seat stay bridge (rear) 
> with the extra fender reinforcements on the inside. That makes for a solid 
> primary mount. I used leather washers where the fender touched a bolt or 
> nut.
>
> Here's the blog post on RH fenders. I think the differences are they spec 
> a longer fender and have different fender bolts. They offer hollow stays 
> for extra money.
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/we-love-fenders/
>
> --Ed C.
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 7:27:48 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow RBW owners!
>>
>> Now that I've happily found narrower tires for my Appaloosa, I'm looking 
>> at fenders. I have three other bikes with fenders, two of them have the 
>> plastic SKS fenders that Riv sells (the older models) and one has a set of 
>> Planet Bike, aluminum fenders. Personally, I'm a big fan of the aluminum 
>> fenders over the plastic ones, they just feel more solid. The Planet Bike 
>> fenders, however, leave a little to be desired. They use the same flimsy 
>> struts found on the plastic versions which, combined with their heavier 
>> weight, cause them to wiggle quite a bit more than the plastic fenders.
>>
>> This time around I went looking at some of the fenders made by Honjo, 
>> both the SimWorks branded and the Rene Herse branded models. It looks like 
>> these require more work to mount but may result in a more sturdy fixture to 
>> the bike. I'm not terribly worried about my ability to mount them as I've 
>> got a well equipped shop and have done metalwork before. I'm curious to 
>> learn what folks on the list think of them, though. How easy or difficult 
>> did you find them to install? Were you happy with how you installed them? 
>> How has your experience been riding with them after some time? Also, RH 
>> claims their Honjo fenders are designed differently than the standard Honjo 
>> fenders, is there any merit to their claims? Do they actually do a better 
>> job of channeling water than the non-RH versions? Worth the extra $30?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -- 
>> Ted Wood < ted.l...@gmail.com >
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Options for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to thumbies?

[Stephen]

ooh, I thanks for the tip on the microshift mounts. Think I'll try some of 
those out, I don't like how fat the riv silver thumbie mounts are. The 
versatility and hinge are useful, but I'd rather have something less 
obtrusive.

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 3:57:13 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> If they work with Silver-2, they will work with Silver-1.  The mounting 
> interface for both variants is the same.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 4:37:53 AM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Do these work with Silver-1 shifters?  I don't have -2's, I have -1s.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 12:15:12 PM UTC-5 reca...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I use the MicroShift road thumb shifter mounts with the silver shifters. 
>>>
>>> https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=106560
>>>
>>> They are very nicely made, work great, and the pair comes in at less 
>>> than $40. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 7:46:05 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 If you are eager to acquire the X and O thumbie mounts that Rivendell 
 sells and want to pay less than 45 dollars each for them, maybe just say 
 how much you want to spend, and maybe somebody who has a set will sell 
 them 
 to you.  Or maybe you have something that retails for $90 that you no 
 longer want and you could trade?  There are ways to shake things loose in 
 this community.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 11:53:51 AM UTC-8 modemm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Yeah, the Riv ones I knew about. 90 bucks just to mount shifters is 
> really expensive, though. I was hoping there was another option LOL. 
> Maybe 
> some will come up used. 
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 11:26:47 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> As near as I know the only game in town are the mounts sold by Riv 
>> for that exact purpose, which you must be familiar with but I’ll link 
>> here 
>> anyhow: https://www.rivbike.com/products/z558mz-cnv-oialk. Paul used 
>> to sell adapters for their Thumbie mounts, but they are neither 1. cheap 
>> nor 2. currently in production, so would require some scrounging. 
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Jon Craig (Vendraen) <
>> modemm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> So what options exist for converting Silver-1 barend shifters to 
>> thumbies? That don't cost a fortune - $60-$70 per shifter seems just 
>> crazy 
>> honestly. Is there anything more reasonable? 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Stephen]

Nice eric!

I’m just working my way through a new roll of b/w in my rollei, excited to 
see how they eventually come out. What are you using for your fotos? they 
always look so good I’m guessing its not your phone

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 3:08:46 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> The colors are mostly gone from the trees and my photos. 
>
> [image: 231209 Ride 02.jpg]
>
> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 7:46:05 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Since the leaves fell around Halloween work and weather have curtailed my 
>> adventures. I have mostly done this (commuting before and after dark) twice 
>> a day.
>> [image: 6D35E6BE-911E-4E21-836E-F046C00103D8.jpg]
>> Afficianados will notice Kraynick's Bike Shop 
>>  (now under 
>> Rocky's hands) on the right and offer that my headlight casts a huge front 
>> wheel and fender shadow. 
>>
>> It's my new B&M Eyc on its OEM fork crown mount which replaced my 
>> decrepit, weather rotted Luxos which finally let go of one of the two 
>> spades for the tail light output leads. Much smaller unit but that doesn't 
>> preclude the need to shine over the rest of the wheel and fender when 
>> mounted in the stock fork crown hole position. I'm going to try the mount 
>> off the Luxos to see if I gain some elevation of the light and project less 
>> shadow. 
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:34:53 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Carrying on with Ted's seasonal riding photos threads, it's now fall.
>>>
>>> Around here the leaves are starting to change, but today was summer-like 
>>> in temperature; a beautiful day for a mostly roadish ride on a singlespeed.
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20231005_165659199-1800.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20231005_171538228-1800sm.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20231005_171618980_volpe-bog-1800sm.jpg]
>>>
>>> Looking forward to seeing where you all are riding this season.
>>>
>>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

[Stephen]

I'm up for a ride! Any of the ideas mentioned so far are great. I like 
getting north of the city, I like rockaways w/ roll n' roaster, hitting all 
the bridges... really can't go wrong.

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024 at 5:05:33 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Sounds fun!
> The Putnam trail North of Van Cortland is pretty, and ridiculously safe 
> with decent enough parking for those carventuring in. 
> But I f it’s excitement and real city feels everyone’s craving, maybe a 
> “every bridge (with bike access) from the Henry Hudson down to the 
> Brooklyn” ride? That’s a fun zipper to zip.
> -Kai
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:
>
>> Seeing the LA Riv Ride post got me thinking! Anyone in the NYC area 
>> interested in a weekend ride this month? It's chilly, but we can handle it!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: lowrider rack advice / recommendations

[Stephen]

I appreciate this thread, was having the same question/thought process for 
my appaloosa too and was thinking of starting a similar thread. Any users 
of the marks hub area rack- does it only work for mini panniers or could 
you mount regular back o bike bags to it? any favorite dedicated lowrider 
racks? in my research i found the tubus variety, marks, nitto s rack..

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:21:12 AM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> Oh, photo for proof - in an area that was burned not 1 month later from 
> the Mosquito Fire :(
> [image: PXL_20220723_235920416.jpg]
> Collin in Burntown
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

[Stephen]

I thought this video came out so good, wish they made a longer cut of it.. 
feel like i could watch that 16mm film all day

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 9:21:37 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Fun video. The way they are "shredding" the trails is my kind of riding. 
> Doug
>
> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:40:09 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> That was great! Thanks for posting Eric!
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>> I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and sweet. 
>>> And  they all having such a good time. 
>>>
>>> Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
>>> This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd I 
>>> suppose. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).

 On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> [image: 
> VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]
>
> Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell staff 
> :0) Quite fun! 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc
>
> The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html
>
> I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
> Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived saddle. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Stephen]

I have basically the same reasoning as Ian, and also live in a city and 
dont want to leave bags on my bike when I lock up, plus i like my daily bag 
to not look too bikey (I use the shopsacks). Convenient and easy, easier to 
pile up with whatever shit i want, take a jacket or sweater off if i get 
hot, sling my lock into it. Does it affect handling? yep, but i dont really 
mind that much for riding around town. If my situation was different maybe 
id do things differently, but I tend to like having a at least a small 
basket available for an around town bike. I like the way it looks too.

-stephen

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:47:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> IMO, baggage ought to complement the handling characteristics of the 
> bicycle. My benchmark idea of handling has been formed by 30 years of 
> riding Rivendells which, IME, do best with rear loads, or at least loads 
> biased toward the rear and not the front.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 5:18 PM ian m  wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure how it makes more sense to put a bag into another bag than 
>> into a baske
>
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Trail Bike

[Stephen]

Jones bikes were being discussed in another thread, they have some pretty 
steep discounts at the moment. If your brother fits either a small or large 
(seems theyre out of mediums) he could get a SWB v2 for $1295.

 https://jonesbikes.com/jones-plus-swb-v2-complete-bike/

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 9:46:49 AM UTC-5 John wrote:

> Trigger warning: opinions regarding "modern mountain bikes."
>
> For $1400 I'd watch the local Craigslist and Facebook marketplace listings 
> for a used hardtail from 2016ish or later. Something with 69 to 66 (ish) 
> HTA. 29er/700 tubeless ready wheels (27.5/650 is OK too) at least 2.3" 
> wide. 1x drive train (46T or more big cog in the rear, clutched 
> derailleur). Dropper post. Wide (650mm or more) handlebars. Short (<60mm) 
> stem. Disc brakes (these will probably end up being hydraulic because 
> that's become standard, although IMO cable actuated is fine for most 
> people). That would cover riding a lot of mountain bike trails/singletrack 
> in and around AZ as well as bikepacking routes on forest and jeep roads, 
> doubletrack, etc.
>
> Modern mountain bikes are really good. The geo works extremely well with 
> the longer top tubes, shorter stems and wider bars. Big wheels have amazing 
> ability to roll over trail obstacles. With a little technique and proper 
> setup these bikes are incredibly comfortable, safe and capable. These bikes 
> also cost more than fully rigid mountain bikes, ATBs, hillibikes 
> (sometimes), whatever you want to call them. They have suspension forks, 
> dropper posts and possibly hydraulic brakes that need to be serviced and 
> maintained (i.e. complicated)
>
> A Surly Karate Monkey or Krampus both fit the bill and could potentially 
> be had for under $1400. A Sklar or Crust is pretty unlikely. Kona Honzo or 
> a Marin are also good bang for the buck. Here's a list of budget hardtails 
> The 
> Radavist  
> published recently. Any used model would be fine. I wouldn't be too worried 
> about the brand, so long as it's a legitimate bike company and checks the 
> boxes above. A mid tier Shimano or Sram group (or at least 
> shifter/derailleur) wold be ideal. The new Microshift 1x drivetrains are 
> cool too. 
>
> All that said, it may be worth honing in on what your brother means to do 
> with the bike. I hate to say it but "trails and bikepacking" is pretty 
> broad by today's standards, especially in AZ and the Four Corners region. 
> Does he plan on riding rocky, steep, technical trails that require you to 
> lift a front wheel or roll down obstacles? There can be lots of that in AZ. 
> But if he has no intention of ever doing that, a fully rigid bike with 
> biggish tires may fit the bill just fine!
>
> Laying it all on the line,
> John in Minnesota
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] NorCal Coast Tour Route Feedback

[Stephen]

Hey All,

This week I've been fantasizing about a tour route from Eureka to SF that 
follows the PCH but avoids riding on it as much as possible (within 
reason). So I've been playing around in rwgps and Gaia Gps maps to make 
some route drafts, trying to stay close to the coast but choosing alternate 
roads and dirt roads as much as possible to avoid traffic. 

For the beginning of the route I used part of a Lost Coast tour route that 
ends and begins in Eureka. As for the end, I've done a fair bit of riding 
in Marin and have familiarity with the roads and trails up to Sir Francis 
Drake Road. Will probably make two different route endings, one for east 
bay and one for SF. (the route draft I have now is for eastbay) 

I was wondering if anyone on the list had experience in the other areas up 
the coast, or has done a similar ride, or been on any of the roads I've 
routed or had recommendations? Sometimes you see a road on a map and in 
reality its private access or washed away. Would appreciate any thoughts or 
feedback or anybody who wants to nerd out on maps and routemaking.

Playing with the idea of riding this on my appaloosa in April.

ROUTES:
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561107
https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561484

Let me know if theres trouble accessing those.

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] NorCal Coast Tour Route Feedback

[Stephen]

Thanks for the input Andrew! 
What a place to grow up! I've been up along the Usal Road to camp once 
before and I remember it being pretty rugged.. Don't mind a little extra 
dirt. I am curious just how wet it will be up thataways, and if itll be so 
muddy as to be problematic. Hard to say I guess, April is apparently the 
tail end of the rainy season. I always think of california as such a dry 
place I kind of forget that this whole route is basically riding through a 
rain forest.
On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 5:22:42 PM UTC-5 Andrew Letton wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
> Looks like a great ride!
> I grew up in the Lost Coast area (Whale Gulch), so your first route goes 
> right through my home turf.
> One thing that I find suspicious is that RWGPS seems to show some paved 
> road between Four Corners and Dutchman's Flat, and I don't believe that's 
> true. The Usal Road is pretty remote and depending on the time of year, not 
> well maintained. I believe the county only maintains it during summer 
> months, so in winter it is sometimes unpassable in a car. That shouldn't 
> stop a bicycle, but you may find areas pretty rutted. YMMV! I've ridden it 
> only once, in summer, and my problem was not bringing enough water, so plan 
> accordingly. It's only about 26 miles, but as you can see from RWGPS, it's 
> a pretty intense 26 miles! Don't let that scare you off, just be prepared. 
> You will be rewarded by some spectacular country.  You can probably fill 
> water bottles at the Whale Gulch School, just before you get to Four 
> Corners. After Four Corners, you'll be heading off into truly unpopulated 
> areas and are unlikely to find much water. (Filter what you do find!) Oh, 
> and if it is dust season (June-Sep), you may want to have a bandana around 
> your neck, ready to pull up over your mouth/nose for when cars (very 
> occasionally) pass. Ah, I just saw that you're thinking of April, so dust 
> will not likely be an issue, but rain may be; you'll be riding through one 
> of the wettest regions in the whole state! ;-)  
> https://www.eldoradoweather.com/calprecip-full-size.html
> Have a great ride, and I look forward to your ride report...
> cheers,
> Andrew, from Whale Gulch; now in Sydney
>
> [image: Inline image]
> (Image from Google Street View at Four Corners)
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2024 at 07:39:01 AM GMT+11, Stephen <
> cavell@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hey All,
>
> This week I've been fantasizing about a tour route from Eureka to SF that 
> follows the PCH but avoids riding on it as much as possible (within 
> reason). So I've been playing around in rwgps and Gaia Gps maps to make 
> some route drafts, trying to stay close to the coast but choosing alternate 
> roads and dirt roads as much as possible to avoid traffic. 
>
> For the beginning of the route I used part of a Lost Coast tour route that 
> ends and begins in Eureka. As for the end, I've done a fair bit of riding 
> in Marin and have familiarity with the roads and trails up to Sir Francis 
> Drake Road. Will probably make two different route endings, one for east 
> bay and one for SF. (the route draft I have now is for eastbay) 
>
> I was wondering if anyone on the list had experience in the other areas up 
> the coast, or has done a similar ride, or been on any of the roads I've 
> routed or had recommendations? Sometimes you see a road on a map and in 
> reality its private access or washed away. Would appreciate any thoughts or 
> feedback or anybody who wants to nerd out on maps and routemaking.
>
> Playing with the idea of riding this on my appaloosa in April.
>
> ROUTES:
> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561107
> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561484
>
> Let me know if theres trouble accessing those.
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Stephen]

Hey Eric,

Great ride report, really enjoyed reading it along with the previous day 
ride you posted! Love seeing reports of Appalachian overnighters. Having 
all that weight sure makes the ride harder, I got spanked last year taking 
my Joe on the Wilson's ramble in nc by naively planning my daily mileage 
based on how fast I ride unloaded.. ended up running low on food and 
shortening the route. Good for you getting out in the cold weather!

cheers,

Stephen

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:11:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. 
>
> Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for anything 
> more than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the handling but 
> I got used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times while climbing when 
> I was trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and ended up kinda 
> tipping over, no big deal. 
>
> I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've attached a 
> packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a lot. I'd also 
> love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my saddle but couldn't 
> get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around for a bootlegged Pec 
> Deck for some time. 
>
> Randy — It was certainly different than my last trip out of town with a 
> fancy hotel stay for a wedding and paid for by my in-laws! 
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:05:11 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Intoxicating read! Now I have the “itch” real bad.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>>
>>
>>
>> 14-15 November 2022
>> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 
>>
>> [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]
>>
>> This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight trips 
>> by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I booked a 
>> primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a 
>> loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the 
>> night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R. 
>> to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night 
>> out. 
>>
>> Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down 
>> well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and snow 
>> were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With bad 
>> weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We 
>> would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a 
>> late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final 
>> check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts 
>> shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed the 
>> wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our 
>> way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s. 
>>
>> [image: 02 Syria SM.jpg]
>>
>> The first eight miles took us through beautiful rolling countryside with 
>> cattle grazing, old brick houses on hills and the last rusty brown vestiges 
>> of crumbling foliage. We were on a mix of pavement and well-maintained 
>> gravel roads. The route took us through a neighborhood of small beautiful 
>> farms on a road that runs parallel to a stream. The road continued on in a 
>> way that felt like trespassing as we rode between barns, over corn and soy 
>> fields, past a tractor shed and through fields cut for hay. 
>>
>> Next we turned onto a painted highway with a posted speed of 45mph and 
>> rode along for about two miles. During our first day this was our only 
>> stretch of riding with paint on the road. We skirted around a mountain and 
>> had our first fun and short descent on a twisty paved road. We pulled into 
>> a neighborhood of old apple-packing warehouses and a convenience store with 
>> a deli, likely a good place to stop, according to Paul who ran inside. Bulk 
>> candy, camping goods, deli sandwiches and the rest. We surveyed a few bins 
>> full of local apples that were stationed out on the road. I found my local 
>> favorite, the Black Twig and we got four apples for $2. They were 
>> fantastically good. 
>>
>> [image: 03 Road SM.jpg]
>>
>> We enjoyed some more lovely country riding before starting on a long 
>> climb that took our elevation from 600 feet to 3,500 feet over 18 miles 
>> without interruption. 
>>
>> 

[RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

[Stephen]

I have two and fall into the category of having bikes on the further ends 
of the spectrum. My first was a '21 appaloosa, which I craved for a while 
and wanted above other models because I was obsessed with its unique fork 
crown in addition to its tire clearance and capabilities. Then secondly, I 
was fortunate enough to find a ramboulliet in my size on the used market. I 
really enjoy both bikes, however, in the spirit of just keeping two (as I 
don't even have enough room for the bikes I currently own as it is.. ) and 
as the mixte/stepover bike styles keep invading my brain sometimes I wonder 
if I shouldn't have gotten a platypus instead of the Joe, or I think that 
I'd want to get clem or susie/gus for even more tire clearance. But, I have 
to say every time I ride the Joe I'm reminded how much I like it and how 
well it fits my needs. Both these bikes ride better than I remember every 
time I get on them.

Stephen

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:10:29 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:

> It's really interesting to read how people are enjoying/planning to ride 2 
> Rivendells! 
> It seems like most of you have 2 different type Rivs for different 
> occasions as I was vaguely imaging for my future as well.
>
> As Keith pointed out the tricky point is that if you get second bike for a 
> different purpose which you barely have chances to go, you will end up to 
> ride just one but not both of them. 
> That made me think that I should get the second Riv if I "need" it while I 
> got my first one mostly because I did "want" it.
> (Well it's really hard to separate these feelings though)
> Anyway I am going to ride my Platypus as much as possible for now and will 
> see if I need another one:)
>
> Otherwise actually it's a really simple thing. Having 2 bikes you really 
> love and "ride all the time and alternate daily" as John said.
> John, if I'm not mistaken I have seen your Hunq on Blue Lug's blog before. 
> You have lived in Japan? The Hunq and the Atlantis are both so beautiful!
>
> Masa 
> 2022年12月7日水曜日 17:55:05 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson:
>
>> John,
>>
>> What a two bike collection you have! Since I have the Riv I’ve always 
>> wanted (Atlantis), now I’m yearning for a Hunq. Such a lovely, lugged 
>> beaut. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:34:11 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Masa, 
>>>
>>> I'm stoked to own two Rivs- a Waterford Hunqapillar and a Toyo Atlantis. 
>>>
>>> The Hunq was my first bike from Rivendell which I bought new in 2015. I 
>>> had the great pleasure of working with Keven M on ordering and dialing the 
>>> bike in. Right out of the box it was a go-anywhere, do-anything bike, and 
>>> it has been tested to its limits all over the world. Or, should I say, it 
>>> has tested my limits! This is the One-Bike-To-Rule-Them-All as far as I'm 
>>> concerned. 
>>> [image: IMG_6440.jpeg]
>>>
>>> I was fortunate enough to find a Toyo Atlantis a couple of summers ago 
>>> in this group. I chose the Atlantis because I still wanted a trail-worthy 
>>> bike that could handle a load, but also one that could be pared down for a 
>>> lighter, more nimble ride. Further, I wanted a bike made in Japan by Toyo 
>>> because...well...because of my love affair with Japanese dedication to 
>>> craftsmanship. It's a beautiful bicycle that provides a dreamy ride. 
>>> [image: Atlantis in the Snow.JPG]
>>>
>>> As far as the problem of bikes not being ridden enough is concerned, my 
>>> solution has been to ride all the time and alternate daily- when the Hunq 
>>> rolls on Monday, then the Atlantis rocks on Tuesday.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:27:33 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I feel very happy with my 2 Rivendell bikes stable. I use my Clem H 
>>>> everyday for groceries and towing my daughter around (studded tires with 
>>>> fenders now). It could easily be stripped down and be a fantastic dirt 
>>>> road 
>>>> exploration bike, but I am fortunate to have a Susie for that and the 
>>>> Susie 
>>>> has an incredible ride!I’d love to add something like a Sam for lighter, 
>>>> quicker rides, but I’m slow on any bike so I doubt it would make a big 
>>>> difference.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:33:38 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes...indeed we do, Bill. And all of them have a story
>>>>>
>>>>> I do like your

[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Stephen]

Eric! Done it again, looks great! 

I really dug seeing your process with patina-ing the steel and brass bits. 
Reminds of a residential construction project I worked on that had a steel 
retaining wall that was treated (maybe with a similar acid wash.. not sure) 
to accelerate the rusting/patina. It turned a really nice purple. The 
intentional metal oxidation plus the thoughtfulness/cleanness of the build 
creates a really beautiful dynamic. I agree silver parts just look right on 
this bike.

How are you liking it and the ride so far? How does it compare to your 
hillborne and appaloosa? Planning to take it on some overnighters? Anything 
you wish you had done differently?

Definitely giving me the bug to do another bike build myself... hopefully 
sometime soon.

Cheers,

Stephen

On Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at 1:02:55 PM UTC-5 Greg Simmons wrote:

> Eric, 
>
> Very nicely done! Provides a great example of the vast continuum of 
> choices available when you approach a build. I really need to make the leap 
> to a generator hub; the lighting looks great also! This one especially 
> spoke to me, as I found an MB/2 some years back that eventually also became 
> a project (In 1988, it was MB/2, not MB-2, strangely enough). It's been my 
> daily commuter for  six years come February. Where did those 6 years 
> go? *Tempus fugit, vita brevis, ars longa,* all that. Not that it is 
> anything special, but if you wanted to compare to your '85, here's an album 
> link that I hope will work and not make a mess: 1988 Bridgestone MB/2 
> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/MDAIyNhATgwuzGlR2>
>
> Thanks for sharing, much enjoyed the video (and the earlier ones)!
>
> Greg Simmons
> Boone, NC
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>>
>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have 
>> a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>>
>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for 
>> the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to 
>> Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
>> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
>> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
>> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>>
>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
>> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>>
>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
>> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
>> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
>> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
>> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>>
>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
>> which I shaped and finished. 
>>
>> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>>
>> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
>> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
>> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
>> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>>
>> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
>> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>>
>> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
>> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
>> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
>> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
>> • Kasai 32H front hub
>> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
>> • Busch + Müller light mount
>> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
>> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
>> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
>> • Suntour Superbe levers
>> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
>> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
>> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
>> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
>> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
>> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
>> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
>> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
>> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
>> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
>> • M

[RBW] Re: Susie Lugged

[Stephen]

I noticed the lugged susie too! Wonder how it will look, Ive been resisting 
the temptation for the dark gold Susies so far but my brain keeps circling 
back to them.. I keep toying with the idea of letting my Joe go to get a 
susie.

On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:23:47 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> What about purple Roadunos in September?
>
> Laing
>
> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 5:13:11 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> What you say?? I say! The Riv email newsletter says there's something 
>> called Susie Lugged in dark gold coming June 2023. Well ok! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB Albatross Bar, NYC area

[Stephen]

Been wanting to switch to less wide bar for city riding, anybody local have 
one they might like to sell? Thought Id check before I eventually end up 
ordering from riv.

Thanks for lookin!

Stephen

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Build Opinions

[Stephen]

Also, I recommend looking at whatbars.com to compare handlebar shapes! 

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:16:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> I'm a joe appaloosa rider and I've had mine set up at different times 
> with: Loscos, Riv Bullmoose, Nitto B802AA, and currently its got the 
> classic albatross.
>
> [image: appaloosa.jpg]
> Pic for reference because all threads need bike pictures :)
>
> I'm going to be devil's advocate and support shortening the stem and 
> making your drops work. 
>
>- First off its the most affordable and quickest solution, granted you 
>are pleased with all other aspects of the handlebar setup. Also, you can 
>get a pretty good idea of how much to shorten your stem since its the only 
>variable changing. 
>- Secondly, I selfishly want to see some more drop bar set up 
>appaloosas. It seems really rare to do so, but lately I've been thinking 
> it 
>could work really well on the bike. I've seen more modern atlantis' with 
>drops, and if anything the Joe is a slightly more road oriented version of 
>that bike. List member Takahashi's Hunqapillar set up with drops also 
> comes 
>to mind.
>- Thirdly, I don't think the Joe is so super long that it needs to be 
>dedicated to swept back bars. This depends on your body's relation to your 
>frame size of course, but on my 60cm, loscos + 11cm stem felt too 
>short/cramped. For myself I've realized that if I go with swept back bars 
> I 
>need ones that sweep forward too, like the albatross.
>
> Another opinion with regards to albastache/mustache bars: if you are 
> thinking of running them with flat bar type levers I'd say scrap that idea 
> and just get albatrosses. thats a case of using something in a way it 
> wasn't designed to be used and i think youd be happier with albatrosses. I 
> have a set of albastache and I'd say it works best with the classic road 
> brake lever setup and bar end shifters, or possibly bar end brake levers. 
> and as previously stated they require a slightly shorter stem than an 
> equivalent drop bar setup.
>
> And finally, to devil's advocate my devil's advocate... Rivendells are 
> such fun bikes to experiment with different setups on. I love playing 
> around with different handlebars and parts to spice up my bike and make it 
> feel new again. Different handlebars are better at different things, and 
> I've learned theres no perfect pick. I'm always gonna be swapping 
> handlebars, sometimes to meet a certain situation, or just because I'm 
> bored. if swept backs are calling your name, you might as well answer (i 
> vote albatross or billie). 
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 4:48:01 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> I take all claims of a certain frame supposedly being designed for a 
>> certain type of bar with a grain of salt as there are endless variables 
>> that come in to play. The first is the rider themselves, not just body 
>> proportions but flexibility, core strength and their ability to ride in a 
>> position suitable for them. Same with bars and stems, none are limited to 
>> or by each other, a given frame or rider. It's really up to the rider to 
>> play around with their bike as no one else experiences your bike from your 
>> unique perspective. I realize this is a online group to talk about stuff 
>> and throw ideas around though, so playing a game of "what if" inevitable. 
>>
>> All that said, I looked at the geo charts @ bikeinsights and I don't see 
>> the Appa as being particularly long in reach at all. I compared it to a 
>> bike I have, a 60 Bomba, and a road frame I do not have, the Sam. the sizes 
>> can be changed of course. The Bomba has 24mm reach than a Appa to for me 
>> running a drop bar would be easy. Ted says the reach was too far, but I'd 
>> want to know if the saddles were int he same relative position ? The Appa 
>> has a 71.5d STA and the Bomba a 72. That equates to about a 6.5mm 
>> difference. So if you didn't know and just set up your saddles on the same 
>> positions on the rails you wouldn't even know that one was further back by 
>> 6.5mm. While that may not seem like much, it does all add up. 
>>
>> If you do choose a swept back bar nay to the Billie in my opnion, it's 
>> too long rearward for your modest needs. An Albastache bar would also 
>> require a very short stem to get a shorter reach, so if you're gonna do 
>> that you may as try a shorter stem for the drop bars first. I've had both 
>> steel and AL Albatross bars and I prefer the steel as I use it with bar

[RBW] Re: Ebike Clem

[Stephen]

Hey Joe,

That would be because of too much torque on a weak fork I presume? I'd be 
curious to hear more about your experiences with eRivs, and is that a 
determination you've made based on a bad experience? Have you done both 
front and rear type motors? I have to admit I'm pretty clueless when it 
comes to the details of ebikes in general, but I hope that since this kit 
is intended to be universal it will be safe enough for the type of riding 
my father will be doing and that the company would be responsible enough to 
highlight potential incompatibilities. It does seem like eBikes are still a 
bit of a wild west of little to no regulation.. Unfortunately the kit 
website is pretty limited in describing its technical specifications (it is 
very much designed for non technical people) and I can't find a spec as to 
whether its a 250w or 500w motor, but it does list a 40nm torque. How does 
that speak to your experience?

I didn't notice anything bad on my test ride yesterday, but I suppose I'll 
give it a longer ride today and see if I notice any dangerous fork flex...

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:02:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Looks fun but - as a fellow who's built a few eRivs - I gotta throw in a 
> warning here about wattage. If that's a 250W hub you're good, I would worry 
> about 500W on Riv's spindly forks. 
>
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:33:14 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Thought I'd share my project of the day: electrifying this clem L for my 
>> Dad.
>>
>> A little backstory:
>>
>> My family and I all chipped in a few years ago to get my Dad a Clem 
>> complete in an effort to give him a fun and healthy exercise activity 
>> following a near death heart attack in 2020. Despite really liking the look 
>> and comfort of the bike, his level of fitness was really limiting the 
>> amount of time he could spend on it. He'd be wiped in under 30 minutes, and 
>> unfortunately living in the suburban south, safe and accessible riding is 
>> fairly limited and largely unexciting unless you're covering big miles out 
>> on country roads. Add to that the fact that his main riding partner, my 
>> mom, has been a long time road cyclist with a much higher level of fitness, 
>> they ended up getting him an ebike from rei. Its made a huge difference in 
>> how much he's able to ride and his willingness to ride, but he's still been 
>> partial towards the Clem. 
>>
>> So my folks ordered an ebike conversion kit, gosh, like a year ago and it 
>> finally arrived recently. Its a front wheel motor with a handlebar mounted 
>> battery pack, and supposedly a pretty simple install. However, for some 
>> reason the axle on the wheel was 10mm as opposed to the 9mm clem fork drop 
>> outs so I had to do a bit of filing (on the axle) to get it to fit. Took it 
>> for a spin and it really goes! Feels a little less jarring/unnatural than 
>> other ebikes I've tried. I'm curious to see how it holds up.
>>
>> Please excuse the messy cables in the pics, still got some neatening up 
>> to do. And for those curious, the kit is the swytch bike kit.
>>
>> [image: IMG_5909.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_5910.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_5911.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_5912.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ebike Clem

[Stephen]

ahh, thanks for the info Johnny! Yes, I'm now seeing that listed in the 
instruction manual..

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:55:59 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> If its the Swytch kit then they state its 250W
>
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:46:52 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Hey Joe,
>>
>> That would be because of too much torque on a weak fork I presume? I'd be 
>> curious to hear more about your experiences with eRivs, and is that a 
>> determination you've made based on a bad experience? Have you done both 
>> front and rear type motors? I have to admit I'm pretty clueless when it 
>> comes to the details of ebikes in general, but I hope that since this kit 
>> is intended to be universal it will be safe enough for the type of riding 
>> my father will be doing and that the company would be responsible enough to 
>> highlight potential incompatibilities. It does seem like eBikes are still a 
>> bit of a wild west of little to no regulation.. Unfortunately the kit 
>> website is pretty limited in describing its technical specifications (it is 
>> very much designed for non technical people) and I can't find a spec as to 
>> whether its a 250w or 500w motor, but it does list a 40nm torque. How does 
>> that speak to your experience?
>>
>> I didn't notice anything bad on my test ride yesterday, but I suppose 
>> I'll give it a longer ride today and see if I notice any dangerous fork 
>> flex...
>>
>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:02:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Looks fun but - as a fellow who's built a few eRivs - I gotta throw in a 
>>> warning here about wattage. If that's a 250W hub you're good, I would worry 
>>> about 500W on Riv's spindly forks. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:33:14 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thought I'd share my project of the day: electrifying this clem L for 
>>>> my Dad.
>>>>
>>>> A little backstory:
>>>>
>>>> My family and I all chipped in a few years ago to get my Dad a Clem 
>>>> complete in an effort to give him a fun and healthy exercise activity 
>>>> following a near death heart attack in 2020. Despite really liking the 
>>>> look 
>>>> and comfort of the bike, his level of fitness was really limiting the 
>>>> amount of time he could spend on it. He'd be wiped in under 30 minutes, 
>>>> and 
>>>> unfortunately living in the suburban south, safe and accessible riding is 
>>>> fairly limited and largely unexciting unless you're covering big miles out 
>>>> on country roads. Add to that the fact that his main riding partner, my 
>>>> mom, has been a long time road cyclist with a much higher level of 
>>>> fitness, 
>>>> they ended up getting him an ebike from rei. Its made a huge difference in 
>>>> how much he's able to ride and his willingness to ride, but he's still 
>>>> been 
>>>> partial towards the Clem. 
>>>>
>>>> So my folks ordered an ebike conversion kit, gosh, like a year ago and 
>>>> it finally arrived recently. Its a front wheel motor with a handlebar 
>>>> mounted battery pack, and supposedly a pretty simple install. However, for 
>>>> some reason the axle on the wheel was 10mm as opposed to the 9mm clem fork 
>>>> drop outs so I had to do a bit of filing (on the axle) to get it to fit. 
>>>> Took it for a spin and it really goes! Feels a little less 
>>>> jarring/unnatural than other ebikes I've tried. I'm curious to see how it 
>>>> holds up.
>>>>
>>>> Please excuse the messy cables in the pics, still got some neatening up 
>>>> to do. And for those curious, the kit is the swytch bike kit.
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_5909.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_5910.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_5911.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_5912.jpg]
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Ebike Clem

[Stephen]

Hey Patrick,

Yeah, its all in all pretty easy to get set up and going, and it would be 
easy to remove and return to just a regular bicycle. The Kit actually came 
with the hub motor already prebuilt into a wheel. If you are savvy I 
suppose you could unlace the rim and build the hub into a different wheel. 
That thought crossed my mind since the included rim is a fair bit narrower 
than the alex rims of the stock clem... 

I'll have to give another update on the run and charging times, I took it 
for a couple rides today and there are discrepancies between the battery 
reading on the battery vs. on the handlebar display. According the 
handlebar display I just about used up all my power on a 45 minute ride 
today, but on the battery itself it indicated I still had over half the 
power. I think I'll try and see how long I can go before it totally shuts 
down sometime in the next few days.

To me it seems like a lot of power. I've been running it on the lower power 
mode and supposedly with the speed limited to 15 mph.

And yes, the disc on the bb spindle is used to sense your pedaling. You can 
see the magnets in the disc, which pass by the sensor mounted on the 
downtube.

Hey Joe, good to know I'm in safe territory! Makes good sense, I feel like 
this 250w motor moves pretty good so I imagine there would be quite a bit 
of torque with 500w, definitely too much for the slender fork blades. 
Interesting to hear about your different experiments, did you have a 
favorite? I have to admit there is something alluring about riding a clem 
as fast as my road bike with only a little effort..

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 2:03:34 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Looks like you're good there, Stephen, 250W is pretty mellow. Yes it's the 
> torque that would concern me with a more powerful hub motor; no bad 
> experiences (I used 250W on an Appaloosa), I just try not to be too crazy 
> with slim fork blades not designed with a motor in mind. Most 
> front-hub-motor bikes I see are running really beefy forks. 
>
> My first build was a ridiculously powerful rear-hub Clem, Grant rode it! 
> Then I did a few with even more ridiculously powerful mid-drives, those 
> were tons of fun. But I'm out of the ebike game these days. Maybe in the 
> future I'll try one again. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 6:46:52 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Hey Joe,
>>
>> That would be because of too much torque on a weak fork I presume? I'd be 
>> curious to hear more about your experiences with eRivs, and is that a 
>> determination you've made based on a bad experience? Have you done both 
>> front and rear type motors? I have to admit I'm pretty clueless when it 
>> comes to the details of ebikes in general, but I hope that since this kit 
>> is intended to be universal it will be safe enough for the type of riding 
>> my father will be doing and that the company would be responsible enough to 
>> highlight potential incompatibilities. It does seem like eBikes are still a 
>> bit of a wild west of little to no regulation.. Unfortunately the kit 
>> website is pretty limited in describing its technical specifications (it is 
>> very much designed for non technical people) and I can't find a spec as to 
>> whether its a 250w or 500w motor, but it does list a 40nm torque. How does 
>> that speak to your experience?
>>
>> I didn't notice anything bad on my test ride yesterday, but I suppose 
>> I'll give it a longer ride today and see if I notice any dangerous fork 
>> flex...
>>
>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 10:02:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Looks fun but - as a fellow who's built a few eRivs - I gotta throw in a 
>>> warning here about wattage. If that's a 250W hub you're good, I would worry 
>>> about 500W on Riv's spindly forks. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 4:33:14 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thought I'd share my project of the day: electrifying this clem L for 
>>>> my Dad.
>>>>
>>>> A little backstory:
>>>>
>>>> My family and I all chipped in a few years ago to get my Dad a Clem 
>>>> complete in an effort to give him a fun and healthy exercise activity 
>>>> following a near death heart attack in 2020. Despite really liking the 
>>>> look 
>>>> and comfort of the bike, his level of fitness was really limiting the 
>>>> amount of time he could spend on it. He'd be wiped in under 30 minutes, 
>>>> and 
>>>> unfortunately living in the suburban south, safe and accessible riding is 
>>>> fairly limited and l

Re: [RBW] Re: Early 80's Specialized Sequoia

[Stephen]

Hey Erik!

Fun to see that old sequoia pop up on here, still got a soft spot in my 
heart for that bike! Good memories..

Cheers,

Stephen

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 2:04:33 PM UTC-4 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 11:09:06 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
> Just so y’all know, TD is kind of a local legend. He is, after all, one of 
> Richard Schwinn’s best pals.
>
>
> Anyone who read Grant's Blahg entry on the closing of Waterford will know 
> that Richard Schwinn has more best pals than just about anyone you can 
> name. I happen to be lucky enough to live near him and his true best pal, 
> his wife, Shoe. And I get to see them regularly at Milwaukee Symphony 
> Orchestra concerts.
>
> Regarding my Waterford  keep your eyes out for the next issue of 
> American Randonneur.
>
>  Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report + Film photos

[Stephen]

Thanks Jamin and John! Also appreciate your recent ride report John, and 
feeling envious of all those swimming holes.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:40:20 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Sorry to hear your ride was cut short, especially since your bike looks 
> perfectly set for a long, comfortable ride. Very nice! I really love that 
> last photo of the reservoir's edge. Makes me want to walk that lip to its 
> end. Thanks for sharing these.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 7:49:24 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Want to share some film photos from a recent bikepacking (mis)adventure. 
>> I departed from brooklyn, ny early June with the intention of getting to 
>> poultney, VT for the analog 4x4 ride in about 4 days. Due to bad luck, this 
>> was right when canadian wildfire smoke rolled in super heavily to ny. By 
>> the evening of my first day the smoke was pretty thick, and on day 2 it was 
>> so intense that you couldn't see across the hudson. After sleeping out in 
>> that mess I was feeling pretty unwell on day 2 and decided to ditch the 
>> ride, head to the metro north in Beacon and get home. 
>>
>> Despite the disappointment, I really enjoyed that first day of riding and 
>> had a nice little overnighter adventure. My route followed the old croton 
>> aqueduct trail north from the city, cut through peekskill and finished up 
>> high in Fahnestock state park. 
>>
>> I'm new to film, using a rollei 35 led with fuji 400 color, slowly 
>> figuring it out. Each roll I get developed there are happy surprises and 
>> let downs, but I like how it makes me more intentional than using a phone 
>> camera. Didn't take as many photos as I could've, these are mostly from the 
>> OCA and finish off at the reservoir itself which was quite impressive.
>>
>> [image: 14990001.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 14990002.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 14990003.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 14990004.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 14990007.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 14990008.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 14990009.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 14990010.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 14990011.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 14990012.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Stephen]

Hey Eric,

Been loosely following along. Glad you were ok in the accident but sheesh, 
what a bummer it did so much damage. Id vote along with others for getting 
a hanger alignment tool, or figuring out how to make one for yourself. i 
bought a wolf tooth variety ( i prefer the way it references to the hub vs 
rim) not too long ago and dont regret the investment. I bought after 
knocking my appaloosa over on the drive side. 

I will say i am curious too whether there might be something else going on 
to cause the skipping.. when my hanger was bent it was only noticeable that 
when in my biggest cassette ring the derailer would go into the wheel. may 
depend on what way its bended. I’m curious if the derailer may have any 
wiggle in the elongated hole. have you tried subbing in another derailer or 
chain to test the system? 

I encourage you to keep trying to solve on your own before reaching the 
final solution of frame repair or sending cross country, which would be 
time consuming and expensive. I can’t imagine what antonio or mark would do 
that you or someone more experienced on the east coast couldnt achieve. 

-stephen
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-4 CJ wrote:

> Can you elaborate on "the chain skips"? A misaligned derailleur hanger 
> will cause shifting to be sub-optimal, but unless the hanger is so bent 
> that the derailleur is way, way out of whack, it can't make the chain skip. 
> Skipping chains are caused by worn or damaged chains and/or cogs. Have you 
> checked your cassette cogs for damage? Try a new chain and cassette? 
>
> Another thing to check, are your dropouts aligned? Is the wheel still 
> sitting straight in the frame? Dropout alignment tools are nice to have, 
> but pricey and you shouldn't need them often. You can improvise with 
> threaded rod and a handful of hardware. Google is your friend.
>
> If you own multiple bikes, you should own a derailleur hanger alignment 
> tool. I have an inexpensive "Cyclospirit" one, and it's paid for itself 
> many times over. It's maybe a little more fiddly to use than an expensive, 
> name-brand tool, but it works.
>
> CJ
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:20:22 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Okay, some mild updates. 
>
> I've bent and tweaked the hanger with crescent wrenches at least two dozen 
> times now. Worked on it during the miserable heat wave here and during 
> nicer weather yesterday. During the process I remove the chain and the 
> derailer, tweak the hanger, re-install the chain and derailer, test ride. 
> Repeat. Over and over! Every time I ride the bike the chain skips. 
>
> I've tried aligning by hand and eye. I've used a series of straight edges, 
> trying to reference off the cassette to the face of the derailer hanger 
> where the derailer sits. I can get the straight edges into plane with one 
> another but evidently that's not enough because the chain still jumps. 
>
> I feel like I can finesse this thing back into working order but I have so 
> far been unsuccessful. The hanger is relatively flat considering how 
> mangled it got. It's considerably better than it was. The bolt hole is 
> elongated but fortunately derailer bolts screw in nicely and the threads 
> feel good. Through all my uninstalling/reinstalling the bolts thread in 
> nicely each time. 
>
> One problem is that the guys at the LBS have put their dropout and hanger 
> alignment tools on the bike and they say the tools show things are aligned. 
> *But* they are also audibly and visibly weary of putting too much torque 
> on the hanger and seem to think it's going to shear off the frame if they 
> look at it funny. I don't think that's going to happen. I talked to Grant 
> about this twice now and he doesn't think that's going to happen, either. 
> He shared an acedote wherein he bent a derailer hanger through 180º of 
> motion several times before the hanger sheared off. I'm not moving mine 
> nearly as much, just a bit at a time. And today I heard Grant Petersen say 
> "Steel is magical." So I'm adding that to my lifetime book of memorable 
> quotes by notable people. 
>
> There's another shop in town but I get bad vibes every time I go in there 
> so I'm going to spare myself and stay away. I know if I go in there it'll 
> end up being a bad scene and I'll regret it. 
>
> I'm open to having a builder try to align the hanger, heat it up and shape 
> it or braze a new dropout onto the frame. But the builder I know and have 
> worked with before on three other bikes (this Hillborne included) has sold 
> his tools and retired. Two other nearby builders haven't returned my 
> messages. 
>
> Now I'

[RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Stephen]

https://www.jensonusa.com/Wolf-Tooth-Hanger-Alignment-Tool

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:41:54 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Hey Eric,
>
> Been loosely following along. Glad you were ok in the accident but sheesh, 
> what a bummer it did so much damage. Id vote along with others for getting 
> a hanger alignment tool, or figuring out how to make one for yourself. i 
> bought a wolf tooth variety ( i prefer the way it references to the hub vs 
> rim) not too long ago and dont regret the investment. I bought after 
> knocking my appaloosa over on the drive side. 
>
> I will say i am curious too whether there might be something else going on 
> to cause the skipping.. when my hanger was bent it was only noticeable that 
> when in my biggest cassette ring the derailer would go into the wheel. may 
> depend on what way its bended. I’m curious if the derailer may have any 
> wiggle in the elongated hole. have you tried subbing in another derailer or 
> chain to test the system? 
>
> I encourage you to keep trying to solve on your own before reaching the 
> final solution of frame repair or sending cross country, which would be 
> time consuming and expensive. I can’t imagine what antonio or mark would do 
> that you or someone more experienced on the east coast couldnt achieve. 
>
> -stephen
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-4 CJ wrote:
>
>> Can you elaborate on "the chain skips"? A misaligned derailleur hanger 
>> will cause shifting to be sub-optimal, but unless the hanger is so bent 
>> that the derailleur is way, way out of whack, it can't make the chain skip. 
>> Skipping chains are caused by worn or damaged chains and/or cogs. Have you 
>> checked your cassette cogs for damage? Try a new chain and cassette? 
>>
>> Another thing to check, are your dropouts aligned? Is the wheel still 
>> sitting straight in the frame? Dropout alignment tools are nice to have, 
>> but pricey and you shouldn't need them often. You can improvise with 
>> threaded rod and a handful of hardware. Google is your friend.
>>
>> If you own multiple bikes, you should own a derailleur hanger alignment 
>> tool. I have an inexpensive "Cyclospirit" one, and it's paid for itself 
>> many times over. It's maybe a little more fiddly to use than an expensive, 
>> name-brand tool, but it works.
>>
>> CJ
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 11:20:22 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, some mild updates. 
>>
>> I've bent and tweaked the hanger with crescent wrenches at least two 
>> dozen times now. Worked on it during the miserable heat wave here and 
>> during nicer weather yesterday. During the process I remove the chain and 
>> the derailer, tweak the hanger, re-install the chain and derailer, test 
>> ride. Repeat. Over and over! Every time I ride the bike the chain skips. 
>>
>> I've tried aligning by hand and eye. I've used a series of straight 
>> edges, trying to reference off the cassette to the face of the derailer 
>> hanger where the derailer sits. I can get the straight edges into plane 
>> with one another but evidently that's not enough because the chain still 
>> jumps. 
>>
>> I feel like I can finesse this thing back into working order but I have 
>> so far been unsuccessful. The hanger is relatively flat considering how 
>> mangled it got. It's considerably better than it was. The bolt hole is 
>> elongated but fortunately derailer bolts screw in nicely and the threads 
>> feel good. Through all my uninstalling/reinstalling the bolts thread in 
>> nicely each time. 
>>
>> One problem is that the guys at the LBS have put their dropout and hanger 
>> alignment tools on the bike and they say the tools show things are aligned. 
>> *But* they are also audibly and visibly weary of putting too much torque 
>> on the hanger and seem to think it's going to shear off the frame if they 
>> look at it funny. I don't think that's going to happen. I talked to Grant 
>> about this twice now and he doesn't think that's going to happen, either. 
>> He shared an acedote wherein he bent a derailer hanger through 180º of 
>> motion several times before the hanger sheared off. I'm not moving mine 
>> nearly as much, just a bit at a time. And today I heard Grant Petersen say 
>> "Steel is magical." So I'm adding that to my lifetime book of memorable 
>> quotes by notable people. 
>>
>> There's another shop in town but I get bad vibes every time I go in there 
>> so I'm going to spare myse

Re: [RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Stephen]

huzzah!

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:12:15 AM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com wrote:

> What a great outcome 
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:09 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ryan and Danny. Just rode another 3 miles on a quick bank errand, 
>> no skips. Will have to try a longer ride when it dries out. 
>>
>> Also installed a Brooks Pro I purchased from Two Wheeled Texan's Grand 
>> Relocation Parts Blowout and I liked it! 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:15:42 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Glad this saga had a happy ending!I bet you're relieved
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:20:22 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ooops, didn't see your update just before I posted. Glad you got it 
>>>> worked out!
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:16:54 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm curious to hear what ends up resolving the issue. I hope it's as 
>>>>> easy as a new cassette, but I'm most intrigued by it being related to the 
>>>>> elongated hole.
>>>>>
>>>>> Re: alignment tools, after borrowing my friend's Park DAG a handful of 
>>>>> times over a few months, I decided to buy my own tool. Ended up with the 
>>>>> Wolf Tooth one that Stephen linked to. Have only used it once so far, but 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> found it to work quite well. Doesn't take up much room in the drawer, and 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> don't have to endure the frequent screeching of metal sliding on metal 
>>>>> that 
>>>>> I experienced with the Park tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Danny
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:52 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> George: Thanks for reading along! Yes, the Helicoil seems like a more 
>>>>>> robust solution, I agree. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jason: Noted! If only Riv would bring back those beefy headset 
>>>>>> presses they got a super limited run of a few years ago. Never need one 
>>>>>> but... they seemed awesome. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:21:45 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric, you've *got* to get a DAG alignment tool!  The heavy steel 
>>>>>>> one, avoid the new lighter one. It's a must have for the home mechanic 
>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>> fine steel frames that do not have replaceable hangers.  I use it every 
>>>>>>> time the derailleur is pulled off for any reason, or if I'm having any 
>>>>>>> stubborn shifting issue - it's amazing how often it's just because the 
>>>>>>> alignment was out slightly. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 12:17:13 UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is one of the more interesting posts/threads having to do with 
>>>>>>>> bike repairs that has come along in awhile (with no intention to 
>>>>>>>> downplay 
>>>>>>>> the unfortunate accident!).  I like the final post about a Helicoil or 
>>>>>>>> dropout saver recommendation.  My own preference would likely be the 
>>>>>>>> Helicoil because you have to tap in new larger diameter threads in 
>>>>>>>> order to 
>>>>>>>> install the coil, which seems like it would stabilize the damaged 
>>>>>>>> hanger 
>>>>>>>> better.  Having view the dropout saver at the Wheels Mfg. website, I'm 
>>>>>>>> not 
>>>>>>>> sure how well that would work in this case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:21:37 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Further ideas: Antonio at Riv suggested getting a Helicoil tool in 
>>>>>>>>> the M10x1.0 size to repair the bolt hole. Brian Chapman recommended 
>>>>>>>>> installing a Wheels Mfg. dropout saver. Either would attempt to 
>>>>>>>>> repair the 
>>>>>>>>> bolt hole. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 

[RBW] Stubby Sand Lot Hats

[Stephen]

Dang those sold out quick, bummed I missed it. I was looking out for these 
since Will mentioned they were getting them made. If anybody here got one 
and decides they dont like it I'd love to take it off your hands.

Thanks,

 Stephen

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report + Film photos

[Stephen]

Thank you Josh, Kyle, and Chris!

Adam, not sure yet but I would like to! I've been looking at their pics 
from the Gorey hollows rides for the past few years and been wanting to 
join but it seems like something always gets in the way. Might go ahead and 
grab a registration and just hope I can make it happen. Are you gonna do 
their 40 miler?

-Stephen
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 2:54:18 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Too bad it was cut short but beautiful photos. 
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 6:14:52 AM UTC-4 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> sweet photos! keep shootin!
>>
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:58:44 PM UTC+2 lyon...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen! Will you try again for Analog's October ride? It would be great 
>>> to see another Riv-person there (other than just me and Miggy).
>>>
>>> For the 4x4 this year, even Scott (who makes all the 5th Season bags and 
>>> rides across from Central Maine to get to Analog) got picked up in White 
>>> River Junction due to all the smoke, wind, and rain that was in the air 
>>> that weekend...
>>>
>>> Adam in Maine
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations

[Stephen]

I'm partial to panaracer gravelkings, though I haven't used them in that 
size before:

https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel/products/gravelking-sk-knobby-folding-gravel-tires?variant=34487816978594

Comes in black.

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 4:45:10 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> That may go a good way towards explaining the $43 price differential 
> between the Overland at $88 and the Hurricane at $45
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-5 Irving wrote:
>
>> I went through a similar exercise looking for tires to fit under SKS P65 
>> fenders on my Rivendell Hunqapillar. I ended up with Maxxis Torch 29x2.1's 
>> but they didn't offer me enough fender clearance. They felt like a high 
>> quality tire though from my initial rides around the city to test 
>> clearance. I ended up replacing them with Schwalbe Marathon Almotion's 
>> (VGuard's)  
>> and those measure closer to 700x48 and feel slightly more durable but less 
>> grippy. Note they have a reflective sidewall, so that may disqualify them 
>> from your "no gumwalls or stripes!" disclaimer.
>>
>> Maybe the Vittoria Terreno Dry (comes in 700x50) 
>>  or the G-One 
>> Superground 
>>  as other 
>> alternatives. The G-One overland seems fine if you're riding more dirt than 
>> pavement. I would recommend against the Hurricane just because it's a wire 
>> bead tire, which are generally less fun to ride in my opinion.
>>
>> -Irving
>> SF, CA
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:04:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, 
>>>
>>> I need a new set of durable-ish, puncture-resistant tires.
>>>
>>> Type of ride: Mostly long-distance rides on asphalt and concrete, and 
>>> the occasional gravel or dirt path. 
>>>
>>> Size: 700 x 50
>>>
>>> Dealbreakers: I use tubes, and all-black sidewalls. No gumwalls or 
>>> stripes!
>>>
>>> I’m curretly looking at these two Schwalbe options:
>>>
>>> G-One Overland:
>>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Schwalbe-G-One-Overland-11654399
>>>
>>> Hurricane:
>>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Hurricane-11159185
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with either of these tires? Are these good 
>>> options? Or, can you make a recommendation for another tire that would work 
>>> for me?
>>>
>>> As always, your experience, wisdom, and advice are welcomed and 
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini Shifting Problems

[Stephen]

Hi Cat, whereabouts new york are you? I'm in Brooklyn and would be down to 
help troubleshoot. I'm by no means a professional, but have done lots of 
futzing with my friction drivetrains and solving odd problems. 

-Stephen

On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 4:16:42 PM UTC-4 Wesley wrote:

> Hi Cat,
> Sorry to hear about your frustrations. The last time this happened to me, 
> I futzed with it for too long before giving up and replacing the cassette, 
> chain rings, and chain all together. That solved it. Just for the record: 
> you have replaced the cracked rim, yes?
>
> As for 1x, in my opinion you should keep the front derailer. Maybe just 
> don't shift the front for a while (until you're satisfied that everything 
> is working properly at the back).
> -Wes
>
> On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:04:57 PM UTC-7 Catherina Gioino wrote:
>
>> Hi RBW group!
>>
>> My name’s Cat and I posted a few months ago about an earlier iteration of 
>> the same problem I’m still having: my Roadini has had trouble shifting both 
>> front and rear since I first acquired it over a year ago. I purchased it 
>> from the original owner, who had built it up with nice Campy components-- 
>> some 
>> pictures of the initial setup and the current configuration are below.
>>
>> It’s set up 2x8, and at first, the front would barely shift to the small 
>> ring at all (often not at all), and the chain would pretty frequently jump 
>> off if I even lightly overshifted. Then, the rear wheel (Velocity A23) 
>> developed a series of large cracks on the rim.
>>
>> My partner and his dad (who both have Rivs and got me into this mess, 
>> haha) tried to fix the problems by first adjusting the limit screws, and 
>> when that only made things worse and we discovered the cracked rim, we put 
>> on a Shimano cassette, replaced the wheelset with a Shimano-compatible set 
>> of A23s, and replaced the chain, on the theory that the original chain was 
>> too narrow for the original Campy cassette, letting it slip between the 
>> rings. This marginally helped, but still didn’t solve the issues, so then I 
>> had my local bike shop put in a wider bottom bracket, because they noticed 
>> that the front crank was essentially scraping the front derailleur and 
>> couldn’t be adjusted any further— they suggested the bottom bracket 
>> replacement.
>>
>> This didn’t work because on my first real ride post the fixes, (on the 
>> OCA coming back from the Tappan Zee for that guy on a Homer who waved!) the 
>> front derailleur cage snapped. I was able to ride home, but now I need to 
>> at minimum replace my front derailleur, and while I’m at it, would like to 
>> fix the larger problems— the rear and front shifting. I love my bike, and 
>> tend to ride through issues, but it would be great to be able to shift 
>> properly. I’m wondering:
>>
>> 1) If anyone has any general or specific advice given what I’ve detailed, 
>> or any questions that might help diagnose the problem
>>
>> 2) If anyone in New York would be willing to come take a look at it and 
>> try to help figure out the problem— it could be a fun project, and I’m 
>> happy to provide refreshments :)
>>
>> 3) If I do need to switch the entire drivetrain, should I move to a 1x so 
>> I don’t run into more front derailleur problems? I tend to ride mostly in 
>> my higher gears anyway, so I could just move to a 1x with a wider-range 
>> cassette and stick with my 44 in front. I know 1x can come with its own 
>> issues, but this might be easier
>>
>> 4) I’m Italian, and so I have a slight but unavoidable aesthetic 
>> preference for sticking with Campy parts; does anyone have thoughts about 
>> how I might do this, or should I give up and switch to more standard 
>> Shimano or SRAM, which won’t look as nice but might function better
>>
>> Thanks so much for reading and for any help or advice! I’m kind of at a 
>> loss, and would love to ride my beloved Leo without worrying about whether 
>> my front derailleur will blow up again.
>>
>> Cat
>>
>> [image: IMG_1018.jpg][image: 715737051.jpg]
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Panaracer GravelKing SK 700 x 50 tires

[Stephen]

Sent ya an email

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:15:07 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Bumping this again, dropping the price.
>
> 2 Panaracer GravelKing SK tires, knobbies with black sidewalls
> Very gently used with tubes
> Nearly new, less than 100 miles and only ridden on asphalt and concrete
> One tire had a punture, repaired with silicone.
>
> $50 for the pair, or best offer.
> Free shipping anywhere in the US of A
>
>
>
> [image: IMG_3454.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: WTB: large sackville saddlesack

[Stephen]

sent ya a PM

On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:02:19 PM UTC-4 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> Looking for a large saddlesack for touring. Anybody have one they no 
> longer need? Please send PM - thanks!
>
> Jeff
> (Alabama)
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[RBW] Re: Riv Sand Lot Stubby short billed baseball cap

[Stephen]

will send pm dibs pls 

-stephen

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 5:19:11 PM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Y'all,
>
> I got one of the white short billed baseball caps before they sold out, 
> worn it maybe a total of 15 minutes, and just don't think I've got the head 
> shape for it. Would love it to go to someone who missed out!
>
> Happy to send photos to verify the condition.
>
> Not trying to make any cash on scarcity, but would love to make my $35 
> back + shipping. 
>
> First to hit DM me can claim it!
>
> - Drew
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto/riv stuff

[Stephen]

Throwing out a bump, I've had no interest on anything, maybe its the wrong 
time of year to sell parts? I'm open to offers.

thanks,

Stephen

On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 9:42:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Got a few items I'm not using and don't see myself needing anymore. 
> Hopefully some of yall could use this stuff.
>
> Nitto Noodle 46cm - $80 + shipping (cleaned, but has a few tape spots, i 
> love 46cm noodles but already have another pair on my ram)
>
> Nitto Losco 54cm - $80 + shipping (used for 6 months ish, cleaned but has 
> a few tape spots) 
>
> Nitto Fillet Faceplater 135mm 225 quill - $120 + shipping (basically new, 
> i dry installed on a build once and otherwise its been sitting, never 
> ridden)
>
> MKS Bear traps black/silver - $30 bucks + shipping, (or less make me an 
> offer, these didnt get nibbled the last time i posted.. seriously if you're 
> at all interested shoot me a message) (a little dirty, but only lived on a 
> bike for a month or two)
>
> Pletscher Single leg kickstand - $10 + shipping (used for a month or two, 
> feel like a two leg would work better for my appaloosa)
>
> I'm located in NYC, if you're nearby we can maybe arrange local handoff.
>
> thanks for looking,
>
> Stephen
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Stephen]

I’ll be there on the appa!

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Some day…
> Have fun!
> -Kai
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>>
>>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
 Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there this 
 year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid Platy.

 Cheers-

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Stephen]

Yep that was me!

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

>
> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Some day…
>>> Have fun!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be there this 
>>>>>> year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my mermaid Platy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers-
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto/riv stuff

[Stephen]

Sale Pending on the Pedals and the Stem!

No interest in the handlebars or kickstand yet

On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:30:37 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Cannot believe that FacePlater has not been snapped up. Best stem ever @ a 
> great price & getting very hard to find. Did you post pics? That always 
> seems to help.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 13, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>
> Throwing out a bump, I've had no interest on anything, maybe its the 
> wrong time of year to sell parts? I'm open to offers.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 9:42:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Got a few items I'm not using and don't see myself needing anymore. 
>> Hopefully some of yall could use this stuff.
>>
>> Nitto Noodle 46cm - $80 + shipping (cleaned, but has a few tape spots, i 
>> love 46cm noodles but already have another pair on my ram)
>>
>> Nitto Losco 54cm - $80 + shipping (used for 6 months ish, cleaned but has 
>> a few tape spots) 
>>
>> Nitto Fillet Faceplater 135mm 225 quill - $120 + shipping (basically new, 
>> i dry installed on a build once and otherwise its been sitting, never 
>> ridden)
>>
>> MKS Bear traps black/silver - $30 bucks + shipping, (or less make me an 
>> offer, these didnt get nibbled the last time i posted.. seriously if you're 
>> at all interested shoot me a message) (a little dirty, but only lived on a 
>> bike for a month or two)
>>
>> Pletscher Single leg kickstand - $10 + shipping (used for a month or two, 
>> feel like a two leg would work better for my appaloosa)
>>
>> I'm located in NYC, if you're nearby we can maybe arrange local handoff.
>>
>> thanks for looking,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto/riv stuff

[Stephen]

Pedals and stem are sold.

handlebars and kickstand still available.

Thanks!
On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:58:40 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Sale Pending on the Pedals and the Stem!
>
> No interest in the handlebars or kickstand yet
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:30:37 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Cannot believe that FacePlater has not been snapped up. Best stem ever @ 
>> a great price & getting very hard to find. Did you post pics? That always 
>> seems to help.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 13, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>>
>> Throwing out a bump, I've had no interest on anything, maybe its the 
>> wrong time of year to sell parts? I'm open to offers.
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 9:42:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Got a few items I'm not using and don't see myself needing anymore. 
>>> Hopefully some of yall could use this stuff.
>>>
>>> Nitto Noodle 46cm - $80 + shipping (cleaned, but has a few tape spots, i 
>>> love 46cm noodles but already have another pair on my ram)
>>>
>>> Nitto Losco 54cm - $80 + shipping (used for 6 months ish, cleaned but 
>>> has a few tape spots) 
>>>
>>> Nitto Fillet Faceplater 135mm 225 quill - $120 + shipping (basically 
>>> new, i dry installed on a build once and otherwise its been sitting, never 
>>> ridden)
>>>
>>> MKS Bear traps black/silver - $30 bucks + shipping, (or less make me an 
>>> offer, these didnt get nibbled the last time i posted.. seriously if you're 
>>> at all interested shoot me a message) (a little dirty, but only lived on a 
>>> bike for a month or two)
>>>
>>> Pletscher Single leg kickstand - $10 + shipping (used for a month or 
>>> two, feel like a two leg would work better for my appaloosa)
>>>
>>> I'm located in NYC, if you're nearby we can maybe arrange local handoff.
>>>
>>> thanks for looking,
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Stephen]

Hey Max,

I currently have a Ram, and used to have a SS Breakaway lighting bolt. Ram 
in ~62 or 63, LB in xl. I really liked both, but let the LB go because I 
was just trying to thin things out. Its not a perfect comparison tubeset 
wise, because they used beefier stuff on the breakaway versions, but i 
think the geometry is supposed to be the same, I rode it with 650b x 42 
tires w fenders, fairweather 'for cruise'. The handling on the LB is 
definitely 'quicker' than the ram, or other rivs. It was most noticeable 
when I had been riding riv geometry for a bit and then switched back, but 
when I road the LB exclusively I quickly got used to it. As I write this 
I'm thinking about how much I liked the bike and miss it a little bit. It 
was light (ish), and springy (though that may have been tires).  650 b felt 
quick. to accelerate. I had some difficulty achieving my preferred 
handlebar height since I cut the steerer too low and the level top tube. 
Wish I had set it up with drop bars while I had it, but was in a little bit 
of an anti drop phase. I'm starting to ramble.

Both bikes are awesome, but the rambouillet might be one of my all time 
favorites right now. Maybe I just wasn't a singlespeed guy. It is really 
nice to have a bike that handles differently than riv's in my opinion, fun 
to ride different things. If I were you I'd try to be patient and see if I 
could find someone to let me try theirs out, or try to land a used deal on 
crust classifieds. 

best,

stephen
On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 10:42:13 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The Ram 
> is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from my 
> experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, with 
> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a bike 
> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.
>
> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
> wrote:
>
>> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
>> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust
>>
>>
>> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s review 
>> in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS who owns 
>> one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike he’s ever 
>> ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.
>>
>> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to make 
>> room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and the 
>> Ram which would be the one to go? 
>>
>> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds with 
>> no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
>> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.
>>
>> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I don’t 
>> want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about the LB? Or 
>> about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few options on the 
>> more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in the middle 
>> a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying weight or to 
>> go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
>> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.
>>
>> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to replace 
>> my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I can get a 
>> more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though I love 
>> it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from my 
>> Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.
>>
>> Thanks for your thoughts
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Stephen]

You would probably need Paul Racers, or some other long reach caliper like 
the tektro r559 (which is on major sale at velo orange right now i think). 
The medium racers would theoretically fit 700c rims on the ram.

Sounds like a good plan Max. I feel like I tend to get caught up 'chasing 
the dragon', always wanting, unrelenting bike desire. Switching things up 
on the current bike tends to scratch the itch for me, at least for a little 
while.

cheers,

Stephen

On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 10:37:15 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> Well, I totally agree with Patrick.
>
> Jock
>
> [image: RAMB.png]
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 7:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I caution selling a proven nice Ram to buy a speculative nice LB. The Ram 
>> is a very nice handling sport-tourer (I use the term lightly, but from my 
>> experience with a 2nd gen blue Ram it rode very nicely unladen and, with 
>> stiff racks, handled modestly heavy loads with sufficient aplomb for a bike 
>> that is principally meant as a road bike. The Ram, or at least my Ram, 
>> exhibits that signature Grant handling quality: unerring straight line 
>> stability with "intuitive" turn-in; not twitchy, not sluggish.
>>
>> But yah pays yer money and yah makes yer choice.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:13 PM Max Faingezicht  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Recently I’ve been getting low trail curious or more specifically I’ve 
>>> become very interested in the Lightning Bolt canti frame from Crust
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve read some reviews in the 650b and Bob groups, also read Jan’s 
>>> review in BQ (thanks Eric!) and after speaking with a friend at the LBS who 
>>> owns one I think it’s a worthy option. He said it’s the most fun bike he’s 
>>> ever ridden and he’s got some nice rides to compare.
>>>
>>> Sadly the deal at home is that one has to go out (Ram or Gallop) to make 
>>> room for a new bike. Anyone here has experience with both the LB and the 
>>> Ram which would be the one to go? 
>>>
>>> How would it compare with my orange Ram (the lightest of my builds with 
>>> no racks and 33.33 tires)? I have a 60 Ram and would buy a large LB 
>>> although I could straddle an XL for a more French fit.
>>>
>>> Im interested in hearing your impressions other than trail which I don’t 
>>> want to get into a discussion about. What do you love/hate about the LB? Or 
>>> about the Ram? I should also mention that I have quite a few options on the 
>>> more burly side of things in my quiver: hunqa, bomba and more in the middle 
>>> a wilbury. This is not a bike that I plan to use for carrying weight or to 
>>> go single track riding. It’s mostly a road / pavement bike with the 
>>> occasional gravel. I would use 42’s RH on it.
>>>
>>> The other alternative I could try is getting RH extra lights to replace 
>>> my jack browns on the Ram to give it another shot and see if I can get a 
>>> more spirited feel. So far, it’s been a great bike but even though I love 
>>> it: feel, color, weight, setup… I don’t think it’s far enough from my 
>>> Gallop or even my Wilbury to make it the go-fast, no racks bike for me.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Nitto/riv stuff

[Stephen]

Kickstand sold!

Just the handlebars left.

Nitto Noodle 46cm - $80 + shipping (cleaned, but has a few tape spots, i 
love 46cm noodles but already have another pair on my ram)

Nitto Losco 54cm - $80 + shipping (used for 6 months ish, cleaned but has a 
few tape spots) 
On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:14:36 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> Pedals and stem are sold.
>
> handlebars and kickstand still available.
>
> Thanks!
> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:58:40 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Sale Pending on the Pedals and the Stem!
>>
>> No interest in the handlebars or kickstand yet
>>
>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 9:30:37 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Cannot believe that FacePlater has not been snapped up. Best stem ever @ 
>>> a great price & getting very hard to find. Did you post pics? That always 
>>> seems to help.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 13, 2023, at 7:53 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>>>
>>> Throwing out a bump, I've had no interest on anything, maybe its the 
>>> wrong time of year to sell parts? I'm open to offers.
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2023 at 9:42:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Got a few items I'm not using and don't see myself needing anymore. 
>>>> Hopefully some of yall could use this stuff.
>>>>
>>>> Nitto Noodle 46cm - $80 + shipping (cleaned, but has a few tape spots, 
>>>> i love 46cm noodles but already have another pair on my ram)
>>>>
>>>> Nitto Losco 54cm - $80 + shipping (used for 6 months ish, cleaned but 
>>>> has a few tape spots) 
>>>>
>>>> Nitto Fillet Faceplater 135mm 225 quill - $120 + shipping (basically 
>>>> new, i dry installed on a build once and otherwise its been sitting, never 
>>>> ridden)
>>>>
>>>> MKS Bear traps black/silver - $30 bucks + shipping, (or less make me an 
>>>> offer, these didnt get nibbled the last time i posted.. seriously if 
>>>> you're 
>>>> at all interested shoot me a message) (a little dirty, but only lived on a 
>>>> bike for a month or two)
>>>>
>>>> Pletscher Single leg kickstand - $10 + shipping (used for a month or 
>>>> two, feel like a two leg would work better for my appaloosa)
>>>>
>>>> I'm located in NYC, if you're nearby we can maybe arrange local handoff.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for looking,
>>>>
>>>> Stephen
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] 2.25 Thunder Burt on a Platypus?

[Stephen]

Hey Justin,

I have a set of 2.25 schwalbe g-ones sitting around if you want to do a 
test fit. Not quite as knobby so maybe not informative enough. Fit fine on 
my appaloosa w cliffhangers, again not a perfect comparison. 

On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 7:58:34 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> I have a bike with a 29x2.25 Thunder Burt on an i29mm rim, on which the 
> casing measures wider than the knobs and is 56mm / 2.2" @ ~20psi. Variances 
> in individual tires aside that should be a good max as the Cliffhangers are 
> i25mm. I'm pretty sure this would work on my Platypus (60cm) if I didn't 
> have fenders installed which limit me to a 50mm tire.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 5:54:37 PM UTC-4 penne...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Justin,
>> FWIW, the April 28 email newsletter featured a 60cm web special platy 
>> with 2.3" Teravail Ehlines. Will said: "It clears easily, although I 
>> wouldn't go any bigger. I suspect these tires are measured knob to knob, 
>> because calipers showed them as closer to 2.1 than 2.3. Still good!"
>> Mack 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 3:29:05 PM UTC-6 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I would say it isn’t likely. I have the Soma Cazadero 700x50mm on my 
>>> wife’s 55 with Cliffhanger rims and there is no room to spare. 
>>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No specific experience mounting that combo but I can tell you that 
 2.25" tires on Cliffhanger rims, for me, measured 60mm. If you've got 
 calipers, you could check the spacing between tubes and get an idea from 
 that.

 On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 10:04 AM Justin Kennedy  
 wrote:

> I know it's beyond the official max tire size but wondering if anyone 
> has experience with big ol' tires on your Platy. Specifically, a 29'er 
> 2.25 
> Thunder Burt (mounted on a Cliffhanger) on a 60cm Platypus. Thanks!  
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[RBW] Re: NorCal Coast Tour Route Feedback

[Stephen]

Thanks for the input Zac and Drurad!

I forgot to list that those routes are part 1/2 and part 2/2. My intention 
would be to skip 101 entirely on the Lost coast detour. Also, part of my 
intention in all of my reroutes that parallel hwy 1 were partly to make the 
route a little more of a 'dirt tour.' The elevation change does look wild 
on the rwgps plot but the nice thing is you can always detour back onto hwy 
1 if it isnt working out or gets too tough. 

Drurad, thanks for the recommendation on the maps and starting in Eugene. 
The motivation for making this route was that I have a friend living in 
Eureka that I'd like to visit before starting a new job in the bay. If I 
end up doing it I'd take the greyhound up there directly. I'll look into 
those maps. The info on shops, foods, and camps sounds quite helpful and I 
am partial to having a physical map when I can.

-stephen
On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 9:42:20 PM UTC-5 Drurad (Sacramento) 
wrote:

> My cousin and I did Eugene to SF a few years ago.  Eugene is nice because 
> you can take the amtrak there with your bike to start the tour.  We bought 
> the Adventure Cycling Maps.  $30 well spent.  The maps provide a number of 
> quiet side roads that keep you off the freeway as much as possible, and 
> they also include detailed information about bike shops, food, and 
> hiker/biker camps along the way.  Here is the link:
>
> https://www.adventurecycling.org/cyclosource-store/route-maps/?p:current=7
>
> You may need Pacific Coast #2 and #3.  I may be able to dig around and 
> find my old maps, but mine may be out of date. 
>
> -Andrew
> On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 8:53:29 AM UTC-8 Zac wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>> I did this years ago and had a blast, despite one full day of rain on our 
>> way to Leggett, which also coincided with stretches along Hwy 101. People 
>> have different comfort levels regarding riding with traffic, but if—and 
>> when!—I do this trip again I would probably look for side routes along that 
>> stretch, say, between Garberville and Leggett; and maybe around Fort Bragg, 
>> unless folks there have changed their attitude towards bike touring since I 
>> last rode through. Other than those areas, I have fond memories of weaving 
>> down Hwy 1 with barely a soul in sight for miles and miles. So I would 
>> stick to the coast mostly, as in your second itinerary. Also, in my 
>> experience, many of the roads that head inland in that area are significant 
>> climbs, have little to no shoulder and lots of twists and turns that some 
>> drivers like to race through. 
>>
>> You're gonna love it.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 12:38:21 PM UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> This week I've been fantasizing about a tour route from Eureka to SF 
>>> that follows the PCH but avoids riding on it as much as possible (within 
>>> reason). So I've been playing around in rwgps and Gaia Gps maps to make 
>>> some route drafts, trying to stay close to the coast but choosing alternate 
>>> roads and dirt roads as much as possible to avoid traffic. 
>>>
>>> For the beginning of the route I used part of a Lost Coast tour route 
>>> that ends and begins in Eureka. As for the end, I've done a fair bit of 
>>> riding in Marin and have familiarity with the roads and trails up to Sir 
>>> Francis Drake Road. Will probably make two different route endings, one for 
>>> east bay and one for SF. (the route draft I have now is for eastbay) 
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone on the list had experience in the other areas 
>>> up the coast, or has done a similar ride, or been on any of the roads I've 
>>> routed or had recommendations? Sometimes you see a road on a map and in 
>>> reality its private access or washed away. Would appreciate any thoughts or 
>>> feedback or anybody who wants to nerd out on maps and routemaking.
>>>
>>> Playing with the idea of riding this on my appaloosa in April.
>>>
>>> ROUTES:
>>> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561107
>>> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/45561484
>>>
>>> Let me know if theres trouble accessing those.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Bars FS

[Stephen]

Sale pending

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 10:01:50 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> I've posted these for sale before and they are still hanging around, would 
> really love to move them along as I am moving in a month.
>
> One Nitto Losco, 54cm
> One Nitto Noodle, 46cm
>
> [image: bars.jpg]
>
> Lets say $50 + shipping for either, $80 + shipping for both. If you are in 
> the nyc or even upstate areas we can forgo the shipping (I'm in brooklyn), 
> maybe even price cut since I am really looking to let these go and I've 
> gotten no nibbles the two times i've posted before. 
>
> Also, anybody in ny have a good recommendation for a parts donation 
> location/organization here? I have a few other things that just don't seem 
> worth the energy to sell.
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> -Stephen
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[RBW] Re: Nitto Bars FS

[Stephen]

sold!

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 10:28:46 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Sale pending
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 10:01:50 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I've posted these for sale before and they are still hanging around, 
>> would really love to move them along as I am moving in a month.
>>
>> One Nitto Losco, 54cm
>> One Nitto Noodle, 46cm
>>
>> [image: bars.jpg]
>>
>> Lets say $50 + shipping for either, $80 + shipping for both. If you are 
>> in the nyc or even upstate areas we can forgo the shipping (I'm in 
>> brooklyn), maybe even price cut since I am really looking to let these go 
>> and I've gotten no nibbles the two times i've posted before. 
>>
>> Also, anybody in ny have a good recommendation for a parts donation 
>> location/organization here? I have a few other things that just don't seem 
>> worth the energy to sell.
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>

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[RBW] Friend in SF Bay Area Selling Roadini

[Stephen]

Hey all,

My friend in the east bay is selling a nice older blue roadini (medium 
reach brake version). 

Heres the craigslist listing:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/emeryville-rivendell-leo-roadini/7720529232.html

He's had it up for a little bit so I'm helping out posting here to get him 
a little more visibility.

To note: 
he is not interested in parting it out.
Strongly prefers local sale

thanks for looking

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[RBW] Re: FS: MTS-100 slingshot stem and cromo bars

[Stephen]

extra info forgot to mention: Stem is aluminum, bars are cromo.

On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 1:01:38 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> A very cool stem and corresponding bars for your consideration, taken off 
> of a recent acquisition to my stable (you know which one?). Still doing a 
> little purging before moving and don't imagine I'll use these on any bikes 
> in the future until someday when I can keep an ungainly collection of 
> bicycles and who knows if thatll ever happen. I love letting things go, 
> sometimes to my own detriment.
>
> Anywho, bars are about 27" wide. 22.2 clamp diameter, so it doesn't work 
> with your typical nitto bar if you are desiring to switch it up. Could be 
> cool to use this with something like DOOM bars. integrated canti brake 
> hanger. 
>
> asking $80 plus shipping, or local nyc handoff. PP FF preferred.
>
> (also i know the tape measure doesn't looked lined up in the photos but i 
> swear its just a camera perspective trick)
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> [image: IMG_6527.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6528.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Racks and a Brooks

[Stephen]

Brooks and rbw52f sold

R14 pending

On Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 8:02:41 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Stephen, 
> Can you tell me the length of the longer struts? Also, have the shorter 
> struts been cut or just bent? 
> Thanks, 
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va. 
>
> On Sunday, April 7, 2024 at 5:21:00 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> *Brooks B67 in Honey *- $120 + shipping
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/brooks-b67-honey-11043
>> Condition: Very Good, nearly new. Ridden maybe a maximum of 10 times, 
>> short rides. Not broken in, leather is still stiff. I applied Obenaufs at 
>> one point, as you can see on the bottom of the saddle.
>>
>> [image: IMG_6576.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6575.jpg]
>>
>>
>> *Nitto/RBW Front Basket Rack (RBW52F)* - $200 + shipping
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/a7s5klhjwe-oith-lk5465a
>> Condition: Very Good, have used this rack in conjunction with a wald 
>> basket quite regularly. There are marks on the top of the rack from the 
>> laden baskets, but otherwise very clean. All original hardware, 
>> nuts/bolts/darumas and stays included. Everything freshly cleaned/wiped 
>> down. 
>> [image: IMG_6568.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6569.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6570.jpg]
>>
>> *Nitto R-14 Rear rack with load stop* - $100 + Shipping
>> https://crustbikes.com/products/nitto-r14-rear-rack
>> Condition: Very good, except the stays have been shortened and (in the 
>> case of the uppers) bent by me. The longer set were shortened to work with 
>> the mid seatstay braze ons for my appaloosa. depending on your set up you 
>> will need new stays.
>>
>> [image: IMG_6572.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6573.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Thats all for now. Feel free to reach out w/questions. I think shipping 
>> usually ends up around $10-15. Can forgo shipping and arrange local hand 
>> off if you are close to charlotte/gastonia NC.
>>
>> thanks for looking,
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Stephen]

JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember what 
the third m stood for... loving the bike!

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Massive mountain mixte!
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> Love it!!!
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
>>> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
>>> Happy shredding!
>>> -Kai
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Couple more:
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Howdy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as I 
>>>>> settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
>>>>> really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv 
>>>>> mixte 
>>>>> propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling this 
>>>>> thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help myself. 
>>>>>
>>>>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
>>>>> cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city scuzz 
>>>>> /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new things 
>>>>> with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using 
>>>>> what 
>>>>> I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>>>>
>>>>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
>>>>> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' 
>>>>> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
>>>>> cables.. 
>>>>> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these big 
>>>>> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
>>>>> couple 
>>>>> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
>>>>> clamp 
>>>>> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
>>>>> working. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>>>>>
>>>>> Build notes:
>>>>> 60cm Tosco's
>>>>> old ass oury grips
>>>>> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
>>>>> riv silver 2 thumbies 
>>>>> nitto 11cm talux
>>>>> stock fsa headset
>>>>> stock kalloy seatpost
>>>>> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
>>>>> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
>>>>> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
>>>>> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
>>>>> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
>>>>> mismatchy monarch pedals
>>>>> XTR M9sumthin FD
>>>>> XTR Rapid Rise RD
>>>>> XT 11-34 cassette
>>>>> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_6619.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_6622.jpg]
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Stephen]

Thanks Johnny!

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
> what the third m stood for... loving the bike!
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Massive mountain mixte!
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> Love it!!!
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
>>>> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
>>>> Happy shredding!
>>>> -Kai
>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Couple more:
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
>>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Howdy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco as I 
>>>>>> settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. I 
>>>>>> really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the riv 
>>>>>> mixte 
>>>>>> propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was selling this 
>>>>>> thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't help 
>>>>>> myself. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle spring 
>>>>>> cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter city scuzz 
>>>>>> /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some new things 
>>>>>> with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. Just using 
>>>>>> what 
>>>>>> I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
>>>>>> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big o' 
>>>>>> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
>>>>>> cables.. 
>>>>>> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these big 
>>>>>> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
>>>>>> couple 
>>>>>> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
>>>>>> clamp 
>>>>>> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to shim 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
>>>>>> working. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Build notes:
>>>>>> 60cm Tosco's
>>>>>> old ass oury grips
>>>>>> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
>>>>>> riv silver 2 thumbies 
>>>>>> nitto 11cm talux
>>>>>> stock fsa headset
>>>>>> stock kalloy seatpost
>>>>>> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
>>>>>> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
>>>>>> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
>>>>>> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
>>>>>> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
>>>>>> mismatchy monarch pedals
>>>>>> XTR M9sumthin FD
>>>>>> XTR Rapid Rise RD
>>>>>> XT 11-34 cassette
>>>>>> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_6619.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: IMG_6622.jpg]
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Stephen]

Nice to meet you too Roberta!

Eric, the WI/Sugino cranks have definitely become a favorite, especially 
with extra fat tires. Its nice to have the smaller bcd for that super 
granny ring. I think I read somewhere that these frames were built around 
some leftover/never made 64 hunqapillar forks, not sure of the truth of 
that, got to ask will for the details sometime. Yeah, i'm gonna throw the 
mark's rack back on and put the dyno on it. Planning on this being my daily 
driver when in SF this summer.

Nolan, yes I agree! A big part of the appeal of this bike for me was that 
it was sort of like a susie with the dropped tube and big tire clearance 
(though not quite as big I think) but while being a bit shorter in the rear 
end. Its still got long chainstays, just not super duper long.

And thanks Armand! I do have a fondness for the riv tigged frames, and they 
still look so good in my opinion. Happy to have both lugged and tigged rivs.



On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 3:03:48 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> Very nice! That main triangle is begging for a frame bag. It is massive! 
> Enjoy your wonderfully functional bicycle. 
>
> I was so close to getting a Rosco in my size last summer. Gave up waiting 
> for one and got a Platypus. I really think most of Riv's bikes should just 
> be tig'd like this. I never thought it made sense to have such a beautiful 
> and ornate frame with (typically) very cheap components. The Rosco's simply 
> feel more in line with the Riv philosophy (why do they value 
> labor-intensive pretty lugs but basically not be concerned with aesthetics 
> elsewhere?). Would be nice to have the more discreet Rosco to attract less 
> attention and be less concerned with beating the frame up. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:45:36 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:
>
>> Always loved this run, I selfishly hope they use it as a way to bring the 
>> Susie/Mtn bike back in the future. You can tig 'em, but please, make 'em.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:36:44 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> This is a sweet build! I'd like to get one of those White Industries / 
>>> Sugino cranks some day. 
>>>
>>> Is there any write-up or an ancient email about the idea behind the 
>>> frame design? Will's Massive Mountain Mixte. Do we have an oral history at 
>>> least? 
>>>
>>> Are you gonna wire up a dynamo back up in the future? 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nope! Mmmassive it is!! Glad it’s tasting proper trail dirt with those 
>>>> knobbies. And so beautifully blue? I thought it was brown!
>>>> -Kai
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
>>>>> what the third m stood for... loving the bike!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Massive mountain mixte!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love it!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>>>>>> NY wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
>>>>>>>> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
>>>>>>>> Happy shredding!
>>>>>>>> -Kai
>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Couple more:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6627.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6629.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Howdy,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco 
>>>>>>>>>> as I settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I bought this bike from list memb

Re: [RBW] Nitto/Riv Bullmoose thoughts

[Stephen]

I have a pair that i used to have on my appaloosa. I’m around 6’1-2” and i 
really like the width and sweep. On my ‘21 appaloosa the reach was good, 
some might consider it too long. i think itd probably be nice on an older 
atlantis, just assuming that it would have a shorter top tube. very solid 
bars of course, no flexy. One of the coolest looking bars, I’ll always have 
them in the collection i think, I’m a perpetual bar swapper. I have the tig 
version, wish they were the fillet but both are good. 

On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:47:03 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Max,
>
> I was just about to say your SimpleOne is the perfect bike.
>
> Clearly we have overlapping tastes!
>
> Our green bikes should be friends.
>
> - Philip
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2024, at 7:39 PM, Max S  wrote:
>
> I've tried them on my (dearly departed) SimpleOne, my QuickBeam, and even 
> my Serotta. Great bars, and I could even use the forward extension to get 
> low and fast. I still have these bars, waiting to be put back on the QB to 
> make it into the tracklocross hoon wagon that it wants to be. At a hair 
> over 6' tall, I felt the bar was a little too wide for me, and I've been 
> tempted to cut it down a bit. For you, the width might be perfect. As far 
> as commuting goes, I'm of the opinion that for commuting involving city 
> streets, a narrow bar is better. If your commute involves some dirt, or the 
> bike gets used for different things and the commute doesn't involve cars 
> passing close, then bar width is maybe of less consequence. Also, if you're 
> running a loaded front bag or basket, and the head tube angle is < 72 and 
> trail is >45 mm, IMO, the wider bar and rearward position really help with 
> steering. 
>
> - Max "the ghosts of bikes past" in A2
>
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 10:03:43 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> Hi exliontamer. I'm a little bit taller than you, also with broad 
>> shoulders, burly, and I have a Toyo Atlantis (61) with a Nitto-Riv 
>> Bullmoose. I like the bar, it looks great, and I love the integrated stem. 
>> Aesthetically I think the Bullmoose looks badass on the Atlantis. I had to 
>> raise the bar up as high as I can get it it's probably a couple of 
>> inches higher than saddle height. Otherwise the reach is too long *for the 
>> riding I have been doing*. It makes me stretch out more than is comfortable 
>> for my wrists and shoulders. 
>>
>> So this is where my opinion starts diverging from other respondents on 
>> this thread: I'm honestly getting sick of the Bullmoose. Every time I ride 
>> it I wish it were a Chocomoose or a Boscomoose. I run a Boscomoose on my 
>> Hunqapillar and love and prefer it. In other words, I have direct 
>> experience with both bars on *roughly* similar bikes that makes 
>> comparing the bars pretty easy. For commuting, bopping around town,  riding 
>> paved trails and on straightforward gravel, nothing overly "technical," for 
>> me the Boscomoose is hands down preferable to the Bullmoose. I am looking 
>> at my actual riding as opposed to aspirational riding. 
>>
>> But clearly a lot of people love the Bullmoose. It's just not working for 
>> me, my body, my riding, now.
>>
>> *If anyone reading this has a Chocomoose or Boscomoose they want to sell 
>> me or trade for the Bullmooose, please reach out to me directly so we can 
>> make a deal.* If I can't find one I might just go with an old Albatross 
>> bar and a lugged stem instead of the Bullmoose, even though I prefer bars 
>> with integrated stems.
>>
>> I'd be curious to know what setup(s) you're riding now. I hope this is 
>> helpful, but don't hesitate to let me know if any questions come up. Here's 
>> a photo to give you a sense of height and reach.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> [image: Atlantis.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 8:42:47 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve got them and I love them. They’re solid and I never have to worry 
>>> about them suddenly slipping.
>>>
>>> I’m 6’-0” and the reach is perfect—all of my bikes have had 
>>> straight-across or cruiser bars (as opposed to drops or the swept-back 
>>> style) so these are a natural, comfortable, familiar fit for me. I’ve 
>>> probably got them mounted at--or just below--the height limit. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9209.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 4:55 PM, exliontamer  wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have opinions/real world experience with the Nitto/Riv Bullmoose 
>>> bars? I've been thinking of putting them on my old Toyo Atlantis since they 
>>> came out. I'm a pretty broad shouldered 6'2" so the width would likely work 
>>> for me. Mostly curious about the reach, how high they can get, & if they're 
>>> comfortable for commuting.  
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Stephen]

For your reference I’m about 6’1 with a 92 pbh and i ride a 60 appaloosa 
w/swept backs, and would not want to go smaller. However i have no interest 
in putting drops on that bike, I’m guessing sam might have a slightly 
shorter top tube than Joe. hesitant to tell you what you should do, 
hopefully someone has something you can test ride. 

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 4:56:00 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride 
> with swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. 
> Based on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If 
> someday you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a 
> short stem. 
>
> My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I 
> sized down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar 
> road bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach 
> for my situation. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: East Bay Dirty Route Recs

[Stephen]

Hey Patch,

I used to go up and ride the loop around redwood regional park, definitely 
some challenging hills in there but I remember it being fun. I've just made 
it out to Marin, been here a week. Would love to link up for a ride and 
join you for a mixed terrain adventure out thataways, and itd be fun to get 
some rides going over here if you have the time. I've got the ram here too, 
gotta get some good road rides in out there where it aint foggy!

Best,

Stephen currently in Marin

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 8:25:45 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Have a look at the Routes page for the Grizzly Peak Century.  They have 
> two gravel routes and they are right there on ridewithgps for you to follow
>
> https://www.grizz.org/century/routes/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:07:03 PM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Looking for some ride & route recommendations in the East Bay; rides that 
>> mix paved and unpaved roads that smartly link & loop together nice 
>> sections, great scenery, challenging bits and chill bits. 
>>
>> Preferences that are in no way fixed requirements:
>>
>> - any length, but ideally in the 35-65 mi range (but open to longer!)
>>
>> - starting/ending: ideally somewhere near a BART station. 
>>
>> - doable with 650b x 48mm knobbies (ie not a mountain bike) 
>>
>> - bonus points for food/beverage related pit stop/s
>>
>>
>> Thanks so much!
>> Patch in Oakland
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: East Bay Dirty Route Recs

[Stephen]

Another idea: I think you can ride fire roads down the ridge all the way to 
lake chabot

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 12:25:45 PM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:

> Hey Patch,
>
> I used to go up and ride the loop around redwood regional park, definitely 
> some challenging hills in there but I remember it being fun. I've just made 
> it out to Marin, been here a week. Would love to link up for a ride and 
> join you for a mixed terrain adventure out thataways, and itd be fun to get 
> some rides going over here if you have the time. I've got the ram here too, 
> gotta get some good road rides in out there where it aint foggy!
>
> Best,
>
> Stephen currently in Marin
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 8:25:45 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Have a look at the Routes page for the Grizzly Peak Century.  They have 
>> two gravel routes and they are right there on ridewithgps for you to follow
>>
>> https://www.grizz.org/century/routes/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, May 11, 2024 at 6:07:03 PM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> Looking for some ride & route recommendations in the East Bay; rides 
>>> that mix paved and unpaved roads that smartly link & loop together nice 
>>> sections, great scenery, challenging bits and chill bits. 
>>>
>>> Preferences that are in no way fixed requirements:
>>>
>>> - any length, but ideally in the 35-65 mi range (but open to longer!)
>>>
>>> - starting/ending: ideally somewhere near a BART station. 
>>>
>>> - doable with 650b x 48mm knobbies (ie not a mountain bike) 
>>>
>>> - bonus points for food/beverage related pit stop/s
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks so much!
>>> Patch in Oakland
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Ebike Clem

[Stephen]

Hey Hoch,

To be honest, it hasn't been the best. Even though he hasn't been riding 
that much since getting it, the times he does ride it still tends to be his 
REI ebike. The downsides of the swytch kit are the limited battery range 
and being forced to have the battery mounted to the handlebar. Its a fair 
bit of weight to have up on the quill stem, and I think it puts the bike 
into flexy noodle territory. I imagine a betty foy would be affected 
similarly, and again it just doesn't go that far. I think it lasts maybe 45 
minutesish.

 I think the better option is to try and riv-ify an ebike rather than 
ebike-ify a rivendell.
On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 8:33:13 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:

> This is an old topic. But curious how your dad has liked the Swytch kit. 
>
> I was originally thinking of getting my wife a Specialized ebike. As she 
> has troubles riding the hills around here. But she loves her Betty. I 
> figure if this Swytch will work, that would be great for her. Hopefully 
> they make a 650b kit. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 9:10:06 AM UTC-6 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> I can see why you feel that way. If a bike is designed from the ground up 
>> to be electric it can't help but work better as a complete system than a 
>> converted bike, and theres been so much work done in the field in the last 
>> few years. In the future, I could see myself being interested in some type 
>> of cargo electric bike.
>>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> So I did another test ride yesterday and rode till the battery was pretty 
>> much completely drained. Heres a link to the rwgps recording:
>> https://ridewithgps.com/trips/128471987
>>
>> It appears the handlebar indicator is the more accurate indication of 
>> battery level. On the flats and downhills I rode on the lowest power 
>> setting, 1/5, and on the uphills would goose it up to 3/5. I tried to keep 
>> it so I was pedaling very conservatively to try and imitate what my 
>> father's fitness level may be. That said, with this set up I think I should 
>> put a bigger front chainring on the bike as I would too quickly top out of 
>> my gears on any downslope. Right around mile marker 12 is where the battery 
>> first started to give out on me, which is consistent with the company 
>> stated range of 15k(they also have an optional bigger battery pack listed 
>> at 30k). 
>>
>> As the battery got low on power, the motor would quit pushing and the 
>> indicator would flash, and then it would kick back in for a while before 
>> doing so again. How quickly depended on how hard you were pushing the 
>> motor. After the first shut off I kept the power level to 1/5. When the 
>> motor would shut off the sensation was similar to riding in sand or some 
>> other resistant surface on a normal bicycle. You get used to the motor 
>> assistance and when it disappears you get the illusion of riding through 
>> some sort of resistance. 
>>
>> Charging time took approximately 3 hrs, potentially less. Put it on 
>> around 7pm, checked around 9 wasn't done, remembered again at 10:30.
>>
>> Another note on handling, it is a significant weight to have hanging off 
>> of your handlebars. I flipped the battery mount around to have the weight 
>> more centered over the steerer which was helpful, but I'd say it still 
>> loosened up the feel of the bike though not in any seriously detrimental 
>> way. And I imagine the exaggerated length of the clem contributes to that 
>> feeling. For extra reference I'm 6'2 170 lbs and its a 59cm clem (also a 
>> liter of water on there).
>>
>> [image: IMG_5918.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:30:37 AM UTC-4 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I had our Clem converted to an Ebike with the Bafabg mid motor kit. 750W 
>>> system. We got the rack mounted battery. I did it for my 85 year old dad, 
>>> who only rides ebikes now. He found it too hard to get on and off the Clem 
>>> and stuck with his small-wheeled ebike.
>>> I’ve ridden it several times.
>>> 1. The added weight does not affect the bike handling.
>>> 2. I generally pedal faster than the motor on the flats, so it is still 
>>> a workout
>>> 3. It is fun to go up steep hills at 15mph.
>>> 4. The wires and motor hanging off the bike kills my OCD, its ugly and 
>>> my was done by a professional.
>>> 5. You have to be careful when making tight turns, have the motor off or 
>>> in the lowest setting, else the bike will throw you.  
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2023, at 5:02 AM, Andy Beichler

Re: [RBW] film photos on bike rides

[Stephen]

Great photos Nick and Jamin! Jamin I really like the one with the dog pokin 
his head out of the car.

George, sorry to hear about your rollei. I have been really enjoying mine 
since getting it a year or two ago. Recently it fell out of my musette 
while riding over a windy bridge and something has come loose in the 
viewfinder, maybe the light meter indicator... but so far still seems to be 
shooting ok. I'm a little sad to beat it up but also don't want to be 
scared to use it. Not putting it in the musette anymore.



On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 4:56:06 PM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Nick, enjoyed both groups of pictures, thanks for sharing.
>
> Steven Sweedler
> Plymouth, New Hampshire
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM Nick Payne  wrote:
>
>> I don't use film cameras any more, but I've been habitually cycling with 
>> a camera for almost 50 years. Some examples from film days, mostly taken 
>> with small cameras such as Olympus XA, but some taken with a Makina 67 
>> rollfilm camera:
>>
>> Various touring rides in the 1980s: 
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GvbfFA7FMuTqbshL7.
>>
>> These days I still photograph rides, but with digital cameras. I usually 
>> cycle with both a dedicated camera and a phone, but phone cameras are good 
>> enough these days that unless I need the extra reach of a camera lens, I 
>> mostly use the phone. Here's our last tour in Europe, where apart from the 
>> cycle racing in Innsbruck (2018 world championships), where the longer 
>> focal length and fast burst mode of the camera came into their own, I took 
>> nearly all the photos with my phone.
>>
>> Europe 2018: https://photos.app.goo.gl/B2RriY2XXGPfh6VaA.
>>
>> NIck Payne
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB Albatross Bar, NYC area

[Stephen]

JS - Yeah, Mass would be a stretch and I figured shipping would cost more 
than its worth for used bars. Thanks for reaching out.

Justin - Hey that'd be great if the albatross end up being available. 
There's someone else local checking their parts bin today for me. I'm a bit 
dead set on going albatross, bosco's would sweep back a little too much I 
think and id miss that little forward bend of the albas.



On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:54:34 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> I'm in Brooklyn and may have a pair. But i think I loaned them to a 
> friend. Let me see if he's still using them. If not, they're yours. 
>
> I def have a pair of CroMo Boscos that are the same width (55cm), just a 
> little more rise and uprightedness. 
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Stephen, I an in Massachusetts so a bit far.  I have the cro mo version I 
>> am no longer using.  Shipping is a bit high on a box to fit (if I could 
>> find one). 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:17:52 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Been wanting to switch to less wide bar for city riding, anybody local 
>>> have one they might like to sell? Thought Id check before I eventually end 
>>> up ordering from riv.
>>>
>>> Thanks for lookin!
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Albatross Bar, NYC area

[Stephen]

Hey thanks for checking Justin! I'll let you know if I change my mind.

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:47:10 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:

> Sounds like the Albatrosses currently housed on a Clem, so not available 
> at the moment. Let me know if you change your mind about the Boscos!
>
> J. 
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:36:53 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> JS - Yeah, Mass would be a stretch and I figured shipping would cost more 
>> than its worth for used bars. Thanks for reaching out.
>>
>> Justin - Hey that'd be great if the albatross end up being available. 
>> There's someone else local checking their parts bin today for me. I'm a bit 
>> dead set on going albatross, bosco's would sweep back a little too much I 
>> think and id miss that little forward bend of the albas.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:54:34 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
>> NY) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>
>>> I'm in Brooklyn and may have a pair. But i think I loaned them to a 
>>> friend. Let me see if he's still using them. If not, they're yours. 
>>>
>>> I def have a pair of CroMo Boscos that are the same width (55cm), just a 
>>> little more rise and uprightedness. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stephen, I an in Massachusetts so a bit far.  I have the cro mo version 
>>>> I am no longer using.  Shipping is a bit high on a box to fit (if I could 
>>>> find one). 
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:17:52 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Been wanting to switch to less wide bar for city riding, anybody local 
>>>>> have one they might like to sell? Thought Id check before I eventually 
>>>>> end 
>>>>> up ordering from riv.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for lookin!
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB Albatross Bar, NYC area

[Stephen]

Found a bar, thanks everyone!

-Stephen

On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:10:25 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Hey thanks for checking Justin! I'll let you know if I change my mind.
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 11:47:10 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
> NY) wrote:
>
>> Sounds like the Albatrosses currently housed on a Clem, so not available 
>> at the moment. Let me know if you change your mind about the Boscos!
>>
>> J. 
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:36:53 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> JS - Yeah, Mass would be a stretch and I figured shipping would cost 
>>> more than its worth for used bars. Thanks for reaching out.
>>>
>>> Justin - Hey that'd be great if the albatross end up being available. 
>>> There's someone else local checking their parts bin today for me. I'm a bit 
>>> dead set on going albatross, bosco's would sweep back a little too much I 
>>> think and id miss that little forward bend of the albas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 9:54:34 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>
>>>> I'm in Brooklyn and may have a pair. But i think I loaned them to a 
>>>> friend. Let me see if he's still using them. If not, they're yours. 
>>>>
>>>> I def have a pair of CroMo Boscos that are the same width (55cm), just 
>>>> a little more rise and uprightedness. 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 8:13:10 AM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Stephen, I an in Massachusetts so a bit far.  I have the cro mo 
>>>>> version I am no longer using.  Shipping is a bit high on a box to fit (if 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> could find one). 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 7:17:52 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Been wanting to switch to less wide bar for city riding, anybody 
>>>>>> local have one they might like to sell? Thought Id check before I 
>>>>>> eventually end up ordering from riv.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for lookin!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PONCHOS!!!

[Stephen]

I just got my first bike poncho recently from a list member after being 
poncho curious for awhile. Its the yellow grundens variety that Rivendell 
used to sell but I do not think it is made anymore. It has served me very 
well in the few pours I've worn it in, along with fenders being crucial. 
When I was looking at purchasing a poncho new I was leaning towards the 
waxed canvas one made by Carradice as I try to avoid plastics and 
synthetics, the only downsides to it being a drab and dark color for urban 
riding, and potentially a little heavier. For my basket I've just used my 
sackville shop sack, and haven't had anything too important in the bag. 
Water definitely gets in the zipper opening. I've thought a shop sack 
combined with a smaller backpack style rain cover over the top like a 
shower cap would be a good combo for keeping things dry.

-Stephen

On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 10:02:10 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dazzle camo on a rain cape is a bold move! I love it! Those drivers can’t 
> tell how big or small you are, or what direction you’re headed… might as 
> well mess with ‘em!
>
> On Mar 6, 2023, at 8:42 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> More riding to you!  ponchos are great for short jaunts.
>
>
>  I don’t like riding in the rain but if it’s not too bad I’ll ride home 
> from work wearing my CleverHood Cape, dazzle print in the tall size for 
> more coverage 
> https://cleverhood.com/products/rover-rain-cape?variant=40416266715341  
>
> Roberta
>
>
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 5:57:13 PM UTC-5 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey all, 
>> Rainy season is almost over in the Bay Area, but I'm going to be try and 
>> be more prepared next year.  I am looking at ponchos, and I have decided 
>> that the PEOPLE'S PONCHO is the one I'm going to buy.  But, I'd love to 
>> hear/see what everybody else is rocking for their rainy day full coverage 
>> (including front basket and bag) rain gear.  I know there are going to be 
>> varied responses here, but I'm hoping we can focus on PONCHOS
>>
>> Thanks for reading,
>> Alex
>>
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[RBW] Re: Crust Harvey Mushman Bars?

[Stephen]

Haven't used the mushman's, but I recently had the Nitto b802AA 720mm on my 
lighting bolt in the city.  Similarish, but they have a 15ish degree sweep 
and only 2" of rise. I really like this style of swept riser bar, but 
switched out because I would get stuck in traffic sometimes since they were 
so wide. The 15ish degree sweep feels very similar to riv bullmooses, and I 
personally find it very comfy. Planning on putting these bars on my Joe 
since I think they'd be great for trail riding.

soma also has them in a 660 width for 
$80.. 
https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/nitto-handlebar-b802aa-2748?page=3&category=977#attr=3935,3356,1693

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 10:26:29 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:

> I did that exact thing on my Xtracycle Stoker. I went with the 24 degree 
> bars and trimmed maybe 2-3cm(?) from either end. I don't remember how long 
> the stem is but its more than 5cm. Maybe 8-10cm. I love 'em. I think you 
> will too. I also have another pair I plan on using for a future MTB 
> build someday.
>
> Bones
>
> On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 9:04:41 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
> NY) wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for some bars for a new cargo bike build (Surly Big Dummy) 
>> and was intrigued when I saw Will was using Crust's Harvey Mushman bars 
>>  on his new 
>> tandem 
>> 
>> . 
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with these bars, particularly the 24 degree 
>> backsweep version? I think I would want to cut them down to 680-ish rather 
>> than the stock 800mm as that seems entirely too wide for urban riding. I'm 
>> also concerned about getting enough backsweep. Assuming I"ll use a stubby 
>> stem (50mm or shorter). 
>>
>> Would love to hear your thoughts if you've used these bars. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: 173 v. 178 Crank Arms?

[Stephen]

My experience with crank length is that it is not very noticeable. I think 
I have the 173 silvers on my appaloosa, have 175's on my ram, and also have 
165's on another bike. I ride flat pedals all the time and tend to adjust 
my foot position slightly throughout rides, probably more noticeable 
clipped in. At this point I'd say I'm partial towards a shorter crank (I 
like the 165-170 range, personally I would'nt go above 175) to avoid more 
pedal strike, but it also depends a little on the bike. Shorter cranks 
raises your saddle a little, but again, its all very slight. I think I've 
even seen Will in a riv email say that crank length doesn't matter that 
much/don't overthink it..

for reference I'm around 6'2 with a 92ish pbh, I ride the 60cm Joe. 

-Stephen 

On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:55:31 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Save your cash . 
>
> I'd ask why are you considering longer arms ?  
>
> My experience with longer cranks(up to 185mm) is that they didn't live up 
> to the promise the crank length theories based on leg dimensions claimed. 
> Theories are theories after all. The opposite way works for me. Foot 
> further forward of the axle and much shorter arms(150mm) works brilliant 
> for me. Ease of leg speed and leverage. I'm not alone in this discovery of 
> course, it's just that it doesn't fit into any of the en-vogue formulas, so 
> few bother to challenge it. 
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:55:02 AM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I'm 6' 1" give or take with a 89.5pbh. 've ridden 165-180mm cranks. My 
>> preference is typically 165-170. I like the pedal clearance and prefer 
>> higher cadence riding. I generally get used to whatever I am riding though. 
>> No science based or anatomical insight, but I feel like outside of marginal 
>> gains and maybe physiological anomalies ones body will adapt to whatever. 
>>
>> I wouldn't over think it. If you want some new cranks and got the cash, 
>> why not give it a try. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:26:28 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, 
>>>
>>> I am considering switching my crank arms. My existing arms are 173; I’m 
>>> thinking about going to 178. Here are the existing specs: 
>>>
>>> Bike: Appaloosa 58cm with 700c wheels 
>>> PBH: 90.5 
>>> I’m 6’ tall and I have long legs. 
>>>
>>> Here are my questions: 
>>>
>>> 1: Will 178 arms work on my bike, or will I not have enough ground 
>>> clearance? 
>>>
>>> 2: Why was the bike originally built with 173 arms? Is it a 
>>> standard/average size, better ground clearance, better fit for the average 
>>> user, toe-hitting-the-front-wheel, or another reason? 
>>>
>>> 3: Is the 173 v. 178 difference so minimal that I won’t notice it? 
>>>
>>> As always, your experience, wisdom, advice, and opinions are 
>>> appreciated. Thanks, everyone. 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling

[Stephen]

I'm planning on going for the atb route, driving from NYC. I've got room 
for one more person+bike if someone wants to hop in for the ride. 

On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 2:31:21 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Gary,
>
> I saw that! I've got it on my calendar now. Let me know as I'd love to 
> drive up and go on a ride with y'all.
>
> - Drew
>
> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 6:01:34 PM UTC-4 Gary L wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>> Saw your post about a Southeastern ride - we've been talking on the forum 
>> about a Riv weekend in asheville July 7-9. Let me know if you're interested 
>> and we'll keep you posted on planning as it gets more dialed in.
>> Gary
>>
>> On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 11:49:18 AM UTC-4 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Been mulling it over too Eric, but the drive up from Atlanta... little 
>>> bit spicy! 
>>>
>>> Maybe some of us in this neck of the woods can put together some sort of 
>>> Sou'Easter event that's similar? 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 1:18:04 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I'm giving attendance some serious consideration and if I come up, I'll 
 do the ATB route. 

 Scott — I think the road route for the 2023 Fling is considered the 
 bailout option. 

 More on the routes here from the 2022 edition, which follows the same 
 routes: 
 https://ronsbikesblog.com/2022/04/03/2022-nutmeg-country-spring-fling/

 On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:00:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> I'm also considering the ATB route, not sure if I'm up for a full 50 
> miles, wondering if there are any bailouts?
>
> Scott
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:46:25 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Awesome! Based on J's post and the fact that you're going for the ATB 
>> route, I think I'm going to switch and do that with my Hunqa (I will 
>> need 
>> to reinstall my rear rack so I can bring a saddlebag on it)
>>
>> Glad to hear that gorgeous black Sam is still bringing you joy - I 
>> love that color scheme and you can't beat a Sam...
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 8:37:01 AM UTC-6 charlie...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Max,
>>>
>>> I'm planning on making the trip down from Portsmouth, NH and will 
>>> attempt the ATB route. 
>>>
>>> Not sure if you remember, but I'm the guy who bought your Sam 
>>> Hillborne back in February 2020. Still got it and it's still awesome!
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 10:55:41 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Who's going to the 2023 Nutmeg Country Spring Fling in May?

 I've never done it but this might be the year! It seems like I 
 might actually be able to make the drive up from Boston.

 Debating which route to choose: ATB route with the fenderless Hunqa 
 on 2.1" tubeless Thunderburts or Rando route with the newly appointed 
 Bombadil on 2" Schwalbe Marathons and fenders?

 Details here: 
 https://ronsbikesblog.com/2023/04/11/2023-nutmeg-country-spring-fling-info-and-reg/

 Let me know if you're planning to go, I'd love to meet some folks 
 from the group in person.

 Max 

>>>

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[RBW] FS Cranks, pedals, sweater..

[Stephen]

Spring cleaning, got a couple things I'm looking to let go of:

MKS XCIII pedals, black body silver cage - $40, or trade for some monarchs

Ultegra FC-6503 Triple Road Crankset (octalink bottom bracket included), 
175mm - $50
-crankset is a little dirty but in decent condition, and the bottom bracket 
spins super smooth. I took it off my ram I got secondhand because I wanted 
to play around with other square taper cranks.

Wooly warm Cardigan Size Large - $50

Sealskin waterproof cycling cap - $10 or free with any other item (if you 
want it).

Not using or going to use any of these things in the future, would love to 
pass them along. I think I've priced to sell,  but make me an offer if 
something is a little too high.

Local pickup in NYC, otherwise add shipping. PayPal F/F payment preferred.

Thanks for looking!

-Stephen

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[RBW] Re: FS Cranks, pedals, sweater..

[Stephen]

Cardigan Sold

On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 10:30:50 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Forgot Photos!
> [image: pedals.jpg]
> [image: ultegra.jpg]
>
> [image: bb.jpg]
>
> [image: crank specs.jpg]
>
> [image: sweater.jpg]
>
> [image: sweatertag.jpg]
>
> [image: hat 1.jpg]
> On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 10:28:14 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Spring cleaning, got a couple things I'm looking to let go of:
>>
>> MKS XCIII pedals, black body silver cage - $40, or trade for some monarchs
>>
>> Ultegra FC-6503 Triple Road Crankset (octalink bottom bracket included), 
>> 175mm - $50
>> -crankset is a little dirty but in decent condition, and the bottom 
>> bracket spins super smooth. I took it off my ram I got secondhand because I 
>> wanted to play around with other square taper cranks.
>>
>> Wooly warm Cardigan Size Large - $50
>>
>> Sealskin waterproof cycling cap - $10 or free with any other item (if you 
>> want it).
>>
>> Not using or going to use any of these things in the future, would love 
>> to pass them along. I think I've priced to sell,  but make me an offer if 
>> something is a little too high.
>>
>> Local pickup in NYC, otherwise add shipping. PayPal F/F payment preferred.
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Stephen]

Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was surprised 
when you let it go. Makes me want one, if only production models had canti 
posts... Its nice having a dedicated fendered and racked bike. I recently 
took off the front basket rack from my Joe to take it on some single track 
adventures. It was meant to be temporary but the lightened front end feels 
so good.. makes me want to have a different dedicated basket rack/fender 
city bike. Bikesnob had some similar musings about his rock combo and homer 
recently.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Thanks Dustin, Eric - indeed it's an Abus Bordo lock.  A little heavier 
> than a similar strength U-lock but it's handy having it on the frame where 
> I can't forget it.  I'm glad to hear the production run is secured it 
> sounds like, I suppose the quietness is just because they're in the waiting 
> phase now. 
>
> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 08:28:07 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your other 
>> bikes. It's cool to have your rigs squared and sorted for particular 
>> purposes. 
>>
>> Dustin — I'm not 100% but I think that might be a seat-tube mounted 
>> folding lock that has a cage that mounts to the bottle bosses. 
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:13:33 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote:
>>
>>> I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie project 
>>> and he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. Hopefully this 
>>> will happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a daily commuter to 
>>> complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy hauler, whereas 
>>> the Charlie would be my "fast" commuter.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:11:56 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold 
 mine around the time of the last post, but recently bought it back from 
 the 
 friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it similarly to 
 before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 saddle, triple 
 crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the same bars plugged 
 back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly ideal for my 
 everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first place - now 
 the 
 Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be reconfigured 
 to focus on adventure and bikepacking. 

 I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's still on 
 the books?? 


 [image: PXL_20230423_164506068.jpg]

 On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm 
> extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the 
> the minimum insertion line 
>
> Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so 
> maybe that will work better for me.
>
> Max
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_2063.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_2076.jpg]
>> FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and will 
>> again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in the mail too 
>> which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar ends are 
>> pretty cozy so I'll try them both.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, changed stems:
>>> Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic
>>> Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic
>>>
>>> Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the 
>>> minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy of 
>>> min 
>>> insertion line. 
>>>
>>> I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 saddle 
>>> almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. 
>>>
>>> The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my 
>>> Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach to 
>>> pull 
>>> on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least 11cm 
>>> of 
>>> stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry about 
>>> knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this low. 
>>> And I 
>>> wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam 
>>> reason. 
>>>
>>> My next move is to try swapping the Nexus rd for an XT rapid rise rd 
>>> with a 13t lower pulley wheel (replacing the 11t original). The Nexus 
>>> doesn’t take kindly to heavy pedaling pressure uphill in a low gear, it 
>>> starts to skip. This is probably because I’ve got it way past the max 
>>> gear 
>>> size and chain wrap capacities (46/30t crankset, 11-40t cassett

[RBW] Re: Rivendells of Nutmeg

[Stephen]

Such a good ride! It was great meeting you Eric, Max, Adam, Miguel and 
everyone else on the ride!

On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 12:43:59 PM UTC-4 RichS wrote:

> Thank you too for the pictures; looks like a blast! And how fortunate to 
> have such beautiful weather. What a bonus to be able to visit the JPW shop.
>
> Best.
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:10:27 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the pictures.  Love them!  Beauties.  No Riv sisters
>>
>> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> The visit to J.P Weigle's shop was a treat:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0231.jpeg]
>>>
>>> And here's a couple more pics attached
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 9:29:25 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Correction: Stephen's bike is obviously an Appaloosa, I have the same 
 frame in the same color. 

 Didn't grab a pic of Ted's Platypus or Miggy's Susie but they were out 
 and about as well! 

 On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 8:40:09 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Nice day for bike ride in the NordEast !!!
>
> I think my first bike I bought as a teenager had a kickstand. I 
> quickly realized, kickstands weren't for me for a host of reasons. Just 
> being honest. 
>
> I know lots of readers have them and love them and go on about their 
> virtues,  but lots of readers also don't. There's room for everybody 
> after 
> all .
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto x Crust 1" Threadless stem

[Stephen]

Hey Paul,

According to the product page, it is 60mm from bottom of the stem to the 
center of the clamp, and by my measurements about 3 3/16" inches/~80mm from 
the bottom all the way to the top of stem. So I think 60mm would be your 
minimum.

https://crustbikes.com/collections/stems/products/nitto-x-crust-1-threadless-stem

-Stephen

On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 9:34:40 AM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:

> How much steer tube does this require above the headset?
>
> I think it might work on my Boulder All Road.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Monday, June 19, 2023 at 1:39:13 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Got a stem I'm looking to pass along, maybe someone here could use it?
>>
>> NittoxCrust Fillet Brazed threadless 1" Steerer stem
>> 60mm extension, 26.0 Clamp Diameter
>>
>> Asking for $100 + shipping (~$10) or local hand off in nyc.
>> Original retail was $150, and i don't believe they make them anymore..
>>
>> Anyways, lovely stem, kind of specific use case. Always open to offers, 
>> experience has taught me that this shorty will never work with my lanky 
>> body.
>>
>> Thanks for lookin!
>>
>> [image: stem 4.jpg][image: stem 2.jpg][image: stem 1.jpg][image: stem 
>> 3.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Summer 2024 Photos

[Stephen]

Lovin the film shots matthew! The susie looks great. 

On Tuesday, August 20, 2024 at 5:29:09 PM UTC-7 Steve wrote:

> Matthew, great shots!  Looks like Catalina must be a magical place to 
> knock around.
>
> Steve in AVL
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2024 at 7:59:41 PM UTC-4 Matthew Miller wrote:
>
>> bunch of 35mm shots from recent bike camping trip to Catalina Island, CA. 
>> They give you an orange deer vest for visibility but that thing was driving 
>> me nuts so I tied it to my rear bag. however a few too many bumps sent that 
>> thing straight into my cassette, hence the roadside repair photo haha. 
>> -matt[image: 66440017 Large.jpeg][image: 66440019 Large.jpeg][image: 
>> 66440002 Large.jpeg] [image: 66440011 Large.jpeg][image: 66440006 
>> Large.jpeg][image: 57260034 Large.jpeg][image: 66440007 Large.jpeg][image: 
>> 66440023 Large.jpeg]
>> On Saturday, August 17, 2024 at 7:56:50 AM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>>
>>> @Nicholas,
>>>
>>> What part of the country are you in?
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 17, 2024, 6:29 AM Nicholas A  wrote:
>>>
 Exploring on Homer..

 [image: IMG_9708.jpg]



 On Saturday 17 August 2024 at 14:27:14 UTC+1 Josh C wrote:

>
> Down by the river, Indianapolis, IN
>
> [image: IMG_1531 Large.jpeg][image: IMG_1532 Large.jpeg]
> On Friday, August 16, 2024 at 5:27:04 PM UTC-4 Chester wrote:
>
>> Very un-scenic picture...or maybe very scenic, I guess, depending on 
>> how you look at it. 
>>
>> Have a rectangular handlebar bag on my wife's Clem, but my Roadini 
>> has a barrel/burrito-shaped bag and sometimes I fantasize about riding 
>> around with an actual burrito in it, in lieu of traditional caloric fuel.
>>
>> [image: PSX_20240816_141917.jpg]
>>
>> Chester
>> SF Bay Area
>>
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[RBW] Re: The Lightest Rivendell

[Stephen]

I'm sure I don't have the lightest one, but I've put a little effort into 
turning my ram into a lightweight road bike. Splurged for king Ti bottle 
cages, ti brooks, and ebay curated the drivetrain to be a STI shimagnolo. 
Only things to lighten up at this point I think would be to switch to a 
titanium seatpost and switch up the wheelset. I'll try and take an updated 
photo today.

On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 9:03:14 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Who's got it? 
>
> I've seen beautiful lightweight lugged road bikes with super light modern 
> components, but they usually are not Rivs. Has anyone gone full out shaving 
> grams off a Roadeo, Roadini, or older Riv model?
>
> I know we're not weight weenies here, I'm certainly not. I did get the 
> itch after building up my Roadini to make it even lighter (and faster?). 
> However, the reason I love Rivs is that they are IMO the best blend of 
> aesthetic beauty, reliable, durable, (fast seems to come last which is 
> fine). My build was a tightly budgeted mix of parts bin, eBay NOS, and new 
> parts. Would I try carbon wheels on it? Yes! Would I spend a bunch of 
> money? No.
>
> It does seem like in the last decade, the gravel itch has spread, and 
> there could be some high end road bike parts floating around for low 
> prices. I'm just brainstorming about what my winter project will be. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Finally, a Roadeo!

[Stephen]

Wow, excellent! I also really like the look of the black components. I was 
feeling tempted recently by a roadeo on sale here but since i have my 
lightweight ram I felt like it would be too similar. I do wonder how 
different the frames would feel and what the weight differences are. 
Anyways well done, now i want to go ride my road bike!

On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 7:05:12 PM UTC-7 Craig B. wrote:

> Glad to know that history — it’s survived those travels remarkably well! 
>  I was conflicted about the black components and generally prefer silver as 
> well, but I wanted 12-speed, rim brake, mechanical components and that 
> rules out silver.  The only silver rim brake road components from the big 3 
> I know of that are still available new are 11-speed Shimano 105 (not sure 
> if it’s all NOS or still being made but silver R7000 is out there) and 
> 11-speed Centaur (silver becoming harder to find, and silver Potenza has 
> been discounted)   Interestingly, SRAM has incorporated more silver into 
> its latest Red groupset, which is probably just an inevitable swing of the 
> pendulum back in that direction (but still electronic and disk brake).  In 
> any event, I think with the white frame, saddle, and bar tape, the black 
> components work fine.  I’m still not crazy about the look of the Chorus 
> crank, but I do like the gearing (48/32) and the shifting is excellent.  
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 29, 2024, at 6:39 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
> Hmmm, 61 cm white Roadeo with blue accent, from James in Santa Barbara?  
> From Redwood City to Nipomo, to San Luis Obispo, to Barnstable area 
> Massachusetts, to San Luis Luis Obispo, to Santa Barbara, to LA.  When I 
> got the bike the first time, it had a similar black 105 crank and black FD 
> and RD. Its a partial boomerang bike, well travelled for sure. 
>
>
> Mike "currently no Rivs" SLO CA
>
> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 5:34:32 PM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Normally. I prefer silver components on my own bikes...but I've seen some 
>> builds where the murder look rocks. This bike is one of them. And I think 
>> that black carbon cage is really elegant ...unlike many fugly ones I've 
>> seen.
>>
>> But like they say on the cooking shows...it's all in the taste, and 
>> clearly this Roadeo is a hit.
>>
>> I'll beat Bill to it and APPROVE!
>>
>> On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 7:17:03 PM UTC-5 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll be honest, I absolutely love that!
>>>
>>> So nice to see a go fast Riv.
>>>
>>> You did a great job on a really unexpected build, too.
>>>
>>> Nailed your intentions, I would say. 10/10. No notes. Etc.
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2024, at 4:55 PM, 'C B' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 40yahoo.com.
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] The Lightest Rivendell

[Stephen]

Bernard, I'm not sure what the weight is actually. Haven't had the 
opportunity to weigh it but I'd be interested to find out.
On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 2:38:06 PM UTC-7 char...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh ho! I'm actually attempting to build a (relatively) lightweight Roadeo 
> but with 2 caveats – as much silver and no carbon. I built it originally up 
> with a Nitto lugged cockpit, racks, and a dynamo setup but wanted to change 
> it up. I took inspiration from this build:
>
> https://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105552
>
> I had an old RB1 with a mix Suntour Superbe/Shimano 600 parts (which would 
> satisfy the silver and no carbon) but the short reach brakes won't work and 
> the ergonomics of those old Suntor Superbe Pro didn't outweigh the weight 
> savings of my old brake levers.
>
> All that said, here's a partial build list (not quite done):
>
> Handlebar: Whisky 12F in Polished Silver
> Stem: Ritchey C220 in silver
> Seatpost: Thomson Masterpiece in silver
> Levers: TRP RRL in silver/black hoods
> Shifters: Silver downtubes
> Brakes: Paul Medium Racers
> Crankset: White Ind R30 crank but black VBC chainrings 44/28  (I haven't 
> been able to find these in silver)
> Derailleur: Shimano CX70 and Deore M591 - all black so looking to change 
> them.
> Wheels: Boyd Altamount with 11-32 8 speed cassette (in the picture is a 
> 11-36 that I already swapped out)
>
> I've gotten it to about 21 1/2 pounds but aiming for sub 20. I know I can 
> do it by taking the frame pump (that's about half a pound already), 
> swapping pedals and getting some lighter wheels. 
>
> I was looking at getting an old campy groupset in all alloy/non-carbon (so 
> I figure that's around the 8 speed generation).
>
> Appreciate any thoughts/suggestions.
>
> [image: IMG_1293.jpeg]
> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:53:54 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Hah! The very standard 26" wheels for my 2003 Curt -- Sun M14A 
>> "semi-aero" rims + 32 Revolution spokes with alum nipples and 8 speed 
>> Ultegra hubs + Velox -- came in at under 1550 w/o QRs.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 2:50 PM Bernard Duhon  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Because of the rush to carbon wheels & disc brakes the Ebay market for 
>>> rim brake “racing” wheels if very soft. 
>>>
>>> I have seen 1,500gram wheelsets that were $1,100.00 new selling for 
>>> $400.00.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> OF course with wheels you are taking a chance on the wear they may have 
>>> been thru.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I have some lightly used campy protons I could let go if you are 
>>> interested. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bernard
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
>>> Behalf Of *Brent Eastman
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 25, 2024 11:03 AM
>>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> *Subject:* [RBW] The Lightest Rivendell
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Who's got it? 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I've seen beautiful lightweight lugged road bikes with super light 
>>> modern components, but they usually are not Rivs. Has anyone gone full out 
>>> shaving grams off a Roadeo, Roadini, or older Riv model?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I know we're not weight weenies here, I'm certainly not. I did get the 
>>> itch after building up my Roadini to make it even lighter (and faster?). 
>>> However, the reason I love Rivs is that they are IMO the best blend of 
>>> aesthetic beauty, reliable, durable, (fast seems to come last which is 
>>> fine). My build was a tightly budgeted mix of parts bin, eBay NOS, and new 
>>> parts. Would I try carbon wheels on it? Yes! Would I spend a bunch of 
>>> money? No.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> It does seem like in the last decade, the gravel itch has spread, and 
>>> there could be some high end road bike parts floating around for low 
>>> prices. I'm just brainstorming about what my winter project will be. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Silver shifter surgery and corrosive metal welding

[Stephen]

Hey eric, 

Yeah ive had similar issues. Had a mildly stuck cable end in a silver 2, 
think i was able to get it out with a needle and small hammer, basically 
punched it out. Noticed the brass ferrule corrosion too. I’m still working 
through a stash of them, but ive also been getting over my brass preference 
in favor of lightweight aluminum where reasonable, like headset spacers. 
I’ll have to check my brass crank extractor caps as mentioned by others…
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 2:17:25 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:

> Thanks for the write-up Eric. I'll give my brass parts a once over a 
> couple times a year after reading this. Did you grease your ferrule 
> exteriors before installing?
>
> I typically give any brass part a liberal greasing before installing, 
> which in theory should help prevent, or at least slow galvanic corrosion. 
> But maybe areas that see more moisture like crank caps/extractors need more 
> frequent attention.
>
> -Danny
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 4:07 PM AppaLanta  wrote:
>
>> @Patrick, perhaps these kind of products...
>>
>>
>> https://www.cytech.training/uploaded_files/study_documents/7.%20Lubricants%20and%20Greases.pdf
>>
>> ...suggesting a copper-based grease to be used between dissimilar 
>> metals.  This seems like a prevention of the symptom (corrosion) rather 
>> than the cause (using dissimilar metals when similar could be used in the 
>> first place)?
>>
>> @Eric, thanks for this post.  I forgot to say - I really appreciate your 
>> videos!
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 4:45:27 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A friend swore off the brass self extractors (White Industries, Blue 
>>> Lug, Etc.) for exactly these same reasons. 
>>>
>>> He’s been encouraging me to do the same for over a year now.
>>>
>>> I really should replace the two sets I have, even here in arid Southern 
>>> California.
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2024, at 1:29 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Eric: Thanks for the clear and comprehensive description and the warning 
>>> about brass-on-aluminum.
>>>
>>> Remark: I am so very glad that high humidity where I live is 50% and 
>>> that's seasonal and rare.
>>>
>>> Question (to all): are there not marine greases or applications made 
>>> precisely to prevent such corrosion?
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, who had a very nice late "monsoon" mid-afternoon ride 
>>> just now at an about-normal 90*F and 23% humidity in a very comfortable ss 
>>> wool jersey.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 9:58 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> *Before we begin I must admit that I should have documented the process 
 below in greater detail. I realize it would have made for video content 
 that at least a few people here would have found worthwhile. This 
 mechanical occurred as I was trying to sneak in a 90 minute ride before it 
 got dark and I was determined to get it resolved as quickly as I could 
 without stopping for pictures or documentation. *

 *I have a few questions about the problems I encountered. Rather than 
 searching the Web for answers I've included my questions below, hopeful 
 that forum members can share their knowledge. In addition to expertise on 
 bicycles I'm aware that some members are scientists and engineers who 
 might 
 have fun pockets of information to share with the group. *

 I run Silver bar end shifters on my Sam Hillborne. Recently I left for 
 a ride and once I got a few blocks from my house I realized the front 
 derailer was rubbing the chain. When I went to trim the gear the shift 
 lever slipped into the relaxed position and dropped the chain to the small 
 ring up front. I tightened the wingnut to restore tension but there was no 
 tension to be found. I had an idea of what was going on: the ratchet was 
 clogged with corrosion, preventing the spring from engaging the pawl. I 
 rode home in a very easy gear. 

 Back in the shop I loosened the clamp bolt on the front derailer to 
 free the cable. When I went to pull the cable out of the shifter lever it 
 wouldn't budge. The head of the shifter cable had chemically bonded to the 
 lever itself. I removed the nuts and bolts that hold the lever to the 
 bar-end shifter pod. I should note that I had previously replaced the 
 external plastic nut cover with a brass counter-sink washer. I think the 
 presence of the brass encouraged corrosion. I then struggled to get the 
 cable out even with the lever freed from the pod. 

 I then noticed that the brass ferrule I'd used at the end of the shift 
 cable housing had bonded to the bar-end pod. I now had two instances of 
 dissimilar metals bonding together. 

 I snipped the shift cable, pinched the loose end with pliers and tried 
 to wiggle and finesse it free. No luck! I tried to drill out the head of 
 the cable, that

[RBW] FS: BXB Bags

[Stephen]

-Medium Goldback Charcoal Waxed Canvas, includes 6 foam spacers for 
fuzziing out from your handle bar. -- $100 + Shipping

-Large size of the Better half frame bag in the coyote xpac. -- $50 + 
shipping

Bought these both some time ago, and found myself preferring my Sackville 
bags. They have both been used and are a little dirty, but are otherwise in 
very solid condition. Hoping someone else could make some better use of 
them. Paypal FF preferred, and located in Gastonia NC

Thanks for lookin, 
Stephen


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[RBW] Re: FS: BXB Bags

[Stephen]

Hey all,

Sale pending, I've gotten a lot of interest on these. I'll try to get back 
to everyone who emailed me, thanks!

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 J wrote:

> I could be interested in the better half. I'll send an email over.
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:39:36 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:39:11 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:38:12 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Medium Goldback Charcoal Waxed Canvas, includes 6 foam spacers for 
>>>> fuzziing out from your handle bar. -- $100 + Shipping
>>>>
>>>> -Large size of the Better half frame bag in the coyote xpac. -- $50 + 
>>>> shipping
>>>>
>>>> Bought these both some time ago, and found myself preferring my 
>>>> Sackville bags. They have both been used and are a little dirty, but are 
>>>> otherwise in very solid condition. Hoping someone else could make some 
>>>> better use of them. Paypal FF preferred, and located in Gastonia NC
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for lookin, 
>>>> Stephen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: BXB Bags

[Stephen]

Both bags sold.

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:34:42 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Sale pending, I've gotten a lot of interest on these. I'll try to get back 
> to everyone who emailed me, thanks!
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 J wrote:
>
>> I could be interested in the better half. I'll send an email over.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:39:36 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:39:11 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:38:12 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Medium Goldback Charcoal Waxed Canvas, includes 6 foam spacers for 
>>>>> fuzziing out from your handle bar. -- $100 + Shipping
>>>>>
>>>>> -Large size of the Better half frame bag in the coyote xpac. -- $50 + 
>>>>> shipping
>>>>>
>>>>> Bought these both some time ago, and found myself preferring my 
>>>>> Sackville bags. They have both been used and are a little dirty, but are 
>>>>> otherwise in very solid condition. Hoping someone else could make some 
>>>>> better use of them. Paypal FF preferred, and located in Gastonia NC
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for lookin, 
>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

[Stephen]

Man, thats a good looking bike. I love the dark green joe's. I got a 
mermaid last year and have been loving it, its a blast on flowy 
singletrack. Congrats on the bicycle.

-stephen

On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: E986D2B1-4A98-4B9A-B7C7-C523BF1A7922.jpeg]Hey everyone! I am two 
> months in to being a Rivendell owner, a 2TT dark green Appaloosa, and 
> thought I would give my initial impressions. I live in the hilly Driftless 
> area of southwestern Wisconsin, ride about 3000+ miles/year and am in my 
> upper 50s. Only about 250 miles on the Appaloosa because of a cold, wet 
> early Spring.
>
> The build is pretty straight forward, based on information from this forum 
> and the help from Candice at Analog Cycles. I think I had only seen two 
> Rivs in the wild, with one being on a car rack. Had a nice road-trip late 
> last Summer to Ames IA to pick up the frame (thanks Brent!) This is the 
> first bike I have built myself. I wanted a bike for mixed road day rides 
> and short tours. Originally I was stuck on a Hunqapillar, but had no luck 
> finding one. Then the Sam, but couldn’t find one of those either that would 
> work for me. In retrospect, the Appaloosa is probably the best choice for 
> me, situated between my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross and my Salsa 
> Fargo, both of which I love. I expected Joe to ride like a Cadillac, 
> comfortable and stable, and it does. What has surprised me is that the bike 
> feels lively, and does not ride at all like a heavy touring bike. The 
> comfortable position with the Billie bars, upright but with a very nice 
> position at the front curves, works well for me. I appreciate the 
> simplicity and the ease of working on the bike. I like the practicality of 
> buying a very good frame and putting modest level parts. I also have come 
> to understand some of the Rivendell philosophy of riding.
>
> I have ridden the bike on good and bad paved roads, gravel and a couple of 
> farm field roads. In another month I will get to try the bike on some 
> single/double track, and have several overnighters and a week tour planned. 
> The Appaloosa is fun, capable and puts a smile on my face! Thank you to 
> this forum for all the information I have gleaned in the last two years.
> Randy
>

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[RBW] FS/Interest Gauging: Specialized Sequoia 61cm

[Stephen]

Hey all, 

I'm looking to pass on my beloved 61 cm (center of bottom bracket to TOP of 
seat lug) Specialized Sequoia (1987? definitely late 1980's but im not 
exactly sure of the year). Its been an awesome bike to tinker on, take on 
some overnighters, and has been a big part of my journey to and obsession 
with rivs. I need to let it go because I recently found a rambouillet with 
a better fit (I'll have to do a NBD post for that bike once I get it into 
shape). 

I originally bought the sequoia as a stripped frameset with some assorted 
parts a few years ago. I painted it myself and originally had it built up 
as a 650b conversion which was really fun. It fit rene herse 42mm slicks 
and fenders, and then I switched to the treadier fairweather for cruise 42 
tires. In recent months I switched it to 700cx33 and also had it powder 
coated black as my flimsy paint job was eroding and I wanted something more 
durable to prevent rusting. Before I came across the Ram I fully intended 
this to be my perfect zippy town bike.

I wanted to gauge interest in the bike/in what way someone would want to 
buy it. I'm including pictures from the various ways Ive had it set up, 
with the black paint/bullmoose bars being its current iteration. I thought 
of switching it back to drops since I don't want to part with the bullmoose 
bars, but I know that I rarely want to buy a bike in a specific setup 
already because I like to dial in my own fit and preferences. 

I will say that I just built it up in its latest configuration within the 
last week or two (first build since new paint), so the chain, cables and 
housing are all brand new and working wonderfully. In my head it maybe 
makes the most sense to sell it as is minus the handlebars, saddle, bottle 
cages, rack, and pedals.

build details:
Velo Orange Grand Cru short pull brake levers
Silver medium reach brakes
Silver 1 Friction shifters
Italmanubri 26.4 250mm seatpost
FSA duron headset
Shimano BB
Sugino AT Triple Crankset 175mm 46/38/?24 i think, no number on the tiny 
ring
Shimano cassette 11-32 9spd
Shimano deore derailer
shimano 500 exagelx front derailer
suzue hubs to mavic open pro rims, 32H Front and rear
Jackbrown normal 33.3 tires
All cables and housing are nice jagwire stuff.

Other things to note
- I'm considering keeping the wheelset and tires for the Ram, and could 
swap the wheels from that bike (ultegra hubs, not sure of the name of rim, 
seem to be in good condition and are true).
- brake style is older bolt on style, not recessed nut. Additionally if you 
are interested in going the 650b route I could swap on the tektro r559's 
that I still have for it.
- I can include 46cm noodles w/shimano slr levers like shown in some of the 
builds if preferred, + stem.
- My PBH is around 92-93cm, and I'm 6'2". this bike was always maybe just a 
smidge small for me. The 250mm seatpost is maxxed out heightwise, as are 
the stems in the photos. 
- TO NOTE: there is a very small dent on the down tube, not sure of how 
exactly I did that. It might've happened when I had it locked up around SF 
one day. You can kinda see it in one of the older pictures where I smeared 
glitter nailpolish over the damaged paint. I used to be more concerned with 
dents, but it really hasn't been an issue and is quite small.
- PICTURES: https://photos.app.goo.gl/doqJjQRws9TdNPdS7
I can add more specific ones as people are interested.

I think thats it, hit me up if you are interested and we can try to hash 
out a price for what you may want. Will probably have to ship. I'm 
currently located in Gastonia NC where the bike market is abysmal, but am 
planning to move to nyc in the next week or so. 

Cheers,

Stephen


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[RBW] Re: ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Stephen]

Hey,

I've just moved up to brooklyn with a ram, would love to get in on rides 
and to connect with riders here. Maybe its best to get a ride organized 
through this thread first and then figure out a good way to keep connected? 
I'm up for anything from that big bridge route kai suggested way back to 
just doing a lap around prospect park. I rode out to forest park yesterday 
while the weather was nice. 

-stephen
On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 3:15:05 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> It’s too hot now, we’ve missed our one day of comfort…😩
> -Kai (on the clem of late, as rosco’s brake track has worn out. Ram’s in 
> the spa)
>
> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:32:07 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>
>> hey all, sorry for letting this post sleep, now that weather is warming 
>> up i'm building up courage to commute to work!   here's the list of folks 
>> that responded (hope this is ok, you all posted publicly above):
>>
>> Adam / BedStuy / Joe Appaloosa
>> Chase / BedStuy / Clem L & Sam
>> Patch / E. Wiliamsburg / Quickbeam
>> Alan / UWS /
>> Kai / E. Williamsburg / Mixte + (bargain) Ram!
>> Austin / ** / Roadini
>> Minh / Park Slope / Quickbeam
>>
>> Now that weather is warming up, anyone want to start arranging/proposing 
>> rides, i dunno if it needs to be super formal.  As far as organizing 
>> methods, any votes?  keep it in this post, create a sub-group?   private 
>> email list?
>>
>> And for any new folks that didnt see this originally, feel free to jump 
>> in, we are not trying to replace the group, but trying to create a smaller 
>> thread for hyper-local stuff like rides, parts swap etc.  
>>
>> weather is breaking so lets get out there!  maybe Kai will bring that new 
>> Ram!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 9:29:41 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also interested! Also in Bed Stuy with my Joe Appaloosa!
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:29:45 AM UTC-5 chase@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Keep me posted if some rides get organized, for sure interested. I am 
>>>> in Bed Stuy with a Clem L and a Sam. Sounds fun! Chase
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:11:40 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I cannot do any riding with the group on a regular basis, seeing that 
>>>>> I live about 90 miles south in Philadelphia, but if the group comes over 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> the NJ side for a ride or part of ride, I'd join you.  It's always nice 
>>>>> meeting like minded people.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kai, I love your Roscoe mixte, and especially your homemade weaved 
>>>>> basket.  That is art to my eyes.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Roberta
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 7:41:51 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>>>> NY wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cold rubber is fast rubber, let's shred! (says the guy with two kids 
>>>>>> and a job that burns the present daylight hours away)
>>>>>> I'd like to do a ride that started with a ferry across the river to 
>>>>>> Jersey City, winding our way up to the George Washington bridge. From 
>>>>>> there 
>>>>>> we could head north over the Hudson bridge to the Bronx, then weave our 
>>>>>> way 
>>>>>> down the Harlem River and East river, crossing every bridge we can. 
>>>>>> Every 
>>>>>> crossing possible might be fun? Or something less ridiculous would be 
>>>>>> fine, 
>>>>>> if you're into that sort of thing...
>>>>>> Shirley Chisholm gravel grinder! (or hoagies, heros, subs, whatevs)
>>>>>> -Kai, of Williamsburg East and a sloppily dressed Mixte, among others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 10:25:01 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all, my name is Minh and i'm on the lookout for other Brooklyn 
>>>>>>> Riv'sters, maybe we can start a gang, and by gang i mean a bunch of 
>>>>>>> slow 
>>>>>>> riders that will use our age, wisdom and sharply appointed bikes to 
>>>>>>> intimidate the go-fast riders in Prospect Park.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In all seriousness, i've got a Quickbeam here that i am desperately 
&

[RBW] Re: ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Stephen]

I'd be up for the velodrome, but it sure looks like its a ways out there. 
who else is up for it?

-stephen

On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:39:11 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

>
> Here’s an idea- a meet up at the Kissena Velodrome and some cruising 
> around the trails that surround it. Would be fun to get in some races with 
> baskets and saddlesacks flying around. Plus, Queens is neutral territory 
> for the Brooklyn and Manhattan gangs.
> -Kai
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:52:17 AM UTC-4 Jacob wrote:
>
>> Good morning
>>
>> I'd like to get in on this as well.
>> Murray Hill // Clem H
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jacob
>>
>> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 11:39:21 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd be in for a ride. I'm on the UWS and I have an Appaloosa.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 9:52:43 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> I've just moved up to brooklyn with a ram, would love to get in on 
>>>> rides and to connect with riders here. Maybe its best to get a ride 
>>>> organized through this thread first and then figure out a good way to keep 
>>>> connected? I'm up for anything from that big bridge route kai suggested 
>>>> way 
>>>> back to just doing a lap around prospect park. I rode out to forest park 
>>>> yesterday while the weather was nice. 
>>>>
>>>> -stephen
>>>> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 3:15:05 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It’s too hot now, we’ve missed our one day of comfort…😩
>>>>> -Kai (on the clem of late, as rosco’s brake track has worn out. Ram’s 
>>>>> in the spa)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 12:32:07 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hey all, sorry for letting this post sleep, now that weather is 
>>>>>> warming up i'm building up courage to commute to work!   here's the list 
>>>>>> of 
>>>>>> folks that responded (hope this is ok, you all posted publicly above):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam / BedStuy / Joe Appaloosa
>>>>>> Chase / BedStuy / Clem L & Sam
>>>>>> Patch / E. Wiliamsburg / Quickbeam
>>>>>> Alan / UWS /
>>>>>> Kai / E. Williamsburg / Mixte + (bargain) Ram!
>>>>>> Austin / ** / Roadini
>>>>>> Minh / Park Slope / Quickbeam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that weather is warming up, anyone want to start 
>>>>>> arranging/proposing rides, i dunno if it needs to be super formal.  As 
>>>>>> far 
>>>>>> as organizing methods, any votes?  keep it in this post, create a 
>>>>>> sub-group?   private email list?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And for any new folks that didnt see this originally, feel free to 
>>>>>> jump in, we are not trying to replace the group, but trying to create a 
>>>>>> smaller thread for hyper-local stuff like rides, parts swap etc.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> weather is breaking so lets get out there!  maybe Kai will bring that 
>>>>>> new Ram!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 9:29:41 AM UTC-5 adamc...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also interested! Also in Bed Stuy with my Joe Appaloosa!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:29:45 AM UTC-5 chase@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keep me posted if some rides get organized, for sure interested. I 
>>>>>>>> am in Bed Stuy with a Clem L and a Sam. Sounds fun! Chase
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:11:40 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I cannot do any riding with the group on a regular basis, seeing 
>>>>>>>>> that I live about 90 miles south in Philadelphia, but if the group 
>>>>>>>>> comes 
>>>>>>>>> over to the NJ side for a ride or part of ride, I'd join you.  It's 
>&

Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Stephen]

Tonight is no good for me either, but I could probably make it next week or 
another day.

stephen

On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:06:32 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> Okay, got it.
>
> On Apr 20, 2022, at 9:56 AM, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
> thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This week is no good for me as I'm on kid pickup duty in the 
> afternoons/evenings. Possibly one afternoon/evening next week, though.
>
> Coincidentally, I ran into two separate Riv riders in Williamsburg 
> yesterday. Joe, who said he isn't on this Group, was on an orange Cheviot 
> headed to Ridgewood. And while we were stopped chatting, someone on an 
> orange Sam passed up. Wasn't Chase, but maybe someone else in the Google 
> Group? Anyway, kinda neat seeing more and more Rivs around NYC. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:42:14 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> Is anyone available tomorrow to meet at the Spritzenhaus 33 in 
>> Greenpoint? Say 4 or 5ish?
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 10:12:13 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
>> NY) wrote:
>>
>>> Always up for meeting up for a beer! That's easy. 
>>>
>>> Also, Minh - there is a bike lane all the way down Bedford from Eastern 
>>> Parkway to where it ends at Emmons. And then the Jamaica Bay Greenway 
>>> around to Floyd Bennett and across the Marine Parkway Bridge. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 6:34:51 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
>>>> For me also, Kissena is a bit out of the way, but I would make it if 
>>>> everyone else could.
>>>> Another option is just an informal meet up, say at a beer garden in 
>>>> Brooklyn, before we organize a ride.
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>> UWS
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Minh  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We're still organizing so anything is up for discussion.  i've done the 
>>>> ride down to Ft Tilden, its not too bad even tho there are no bike lanes 
>>>> along Bedford.  Roll n Roaster gives you a free water if you wear your 
>>>> helmet inside :)
>>>>
>>>> in a few weeks once weather and places open up, we could keep riding 
>>>> pass ft tilden into town.
>>>>
>>>> i like the velodrome idea, but we should plan that for later in the 
>>>> summer and make it big cross group thing, like Battle of the Boroughs
>>>>
>>>> as far as getting things going sooner, my proposal would be to keep 
>>>> things light and loosely organized, so if folks have something planned 
>>>> e.g. 
>>>> "riding to brighton beach this weekend for kachapuri anyone wanna come." 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 9:39:10 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
>>>> NY) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is there a date? I'd be up for something soon-ish but away camping and 
>>>>> biking in the Gunks this weekend. 
>>>>>
>>>>> One super chill Brooklyn/Queens ride is like is down Bedford Ave to 
>>>>> Sheepshead Bay and then over the bridge to Fort Tilden. There are a few 
>>>>> trails through there and semi-private beaches all around. Could pick up 
>>>>> lunch en route at Roll N Roaster ;-) 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, April 17, 2022 at 5:39:59 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be up for the velodrome, but it sure looks like its a ways out 
>>>>>> there. who else is up for it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -stephen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 5:39:11 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>>>>> NY wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here’s an idea- a meet up at the Kissena Velodrome and some cruising 
>>>>>>> around the trails that surround it. Would be fun to get in some races 
>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>> baskets and saddlesacks flying around. Plus, Queens is neutral 
>>>>>>> territory 
>>>>>>> for the Brooklyn and Manhattan gangs.
>>>>>>> -Kai
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 8:52:17 AM UTC-4 Jacob wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good morning
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to get in on this as well.

Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Stephen]

I'm in for the meetup, looking forward to it!

-Stephen

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:04:46 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Might be a little late, coming from the dentist, hopefully not numb, maybe 
> with drop bars...
> -Kai
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:27:46 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> Good Morning All,
>> I'm hoping that tomorrow will be better for some of you, at least. I 
>> suggest meeting at the Spritzen House, 33 Nassau st, Greenpoint, around 5-6 
>> pm. Not sure where a good ride would be in late afternoon NYC traffic, but 
>> we can discuss ideas for future rides depending on when folks are 
>> available. I'm thinking tomorrow as meet and greet thing...the beer and 
>> sausage selection is excellent. 
>> I also think it would be fun to bring a list, written or mental, of 
>> parts/bikes wanting to sell/exchange/give away/etc. We all have stuff lying 
>> around waiting for a better life. For me, its drop bars.
>>
>> Let's see a show of hands!
>>
>> Alan UWS
>>
>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 11:55:55 AM UTC-4 jakob.b...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brooklyn Riv riders. I just moved here from San Francisco 3 weeks 
>>> ago, game for some rides! Looks like one is in the works next Wednesday, 
>>> 27th? 
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jake/ Mustard Clem H/ Crown Heights
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 7:18:42 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure, we can do later on Wednesday. The last meetup was about 3 years 
>>>> ago, I think. Maybe more. We were just a handful, and in fact I’ve bought 
>>>> and sold a few small items with a couple of them…don’t me ask names! We 
>>>> could each bring a mental list of things we want to either buy or sell, 
>>>> could be fun.
>>>>
>>>> Working on the Cheviot. See you next week! Come one come all.
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 20, 2022, at 11:11 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Currently in Beantown, next Wednesday may work, but I’m coming from 
>>>> Uptown. 6pm? Brown bags at the top of the Williamsburg Bridge? 
>>>> Alan, what year was the last beerhall meet up? Sunnyside Chris was 
>>>> there on a righteous Bruce Gordon if I recall.. Maybe I can get my new old 
>>>> Ram rolling, and Alan, bring the new Cheviot? 
>>>> -Kai
>>>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 11:30:13 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, sorry for the short notice, but I’m in the area anyway on 
>>>>> Wednesdays so I thought I’d ask.
>>>>> Let’s all think about next Wednesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2022, at 10:11 AM, Stephen  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Tonight is no good for me either, but I could probably make it next 
>>>>> week or another day.
>>>>>
>>>>> stephen
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2022 at 10:06:32 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, got it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2022, at 9:56 AM, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
>>>>>> thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This week is no good for me as I'm on kid pickup duty in the 
>>>>>> afternoons/evenings. Possibly one afternoon/evening next week, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coincidentally, I ran into two separate Riv riders in Williamsburg 
>>>>>> yesterday. Joe, who said he isn't on this Group, was on an orange 
>>>>>> Cheviot 
>>>>>> headed to Ridgewood. And while we were stopped chatting, someone on an 
>>>>>> orange Sam passed up. Wasn't Chase, but maybe someone else in the Google 
>>>>>> Group? Anyway, kinda neat seeing more and more Rivs around NYC. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 9:42:14 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anyone available tomorrow to meet at the Spritzenhaus 33 in 
>>>>>>> Greenpoint? Say 4 or 5ish?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 10:12:13 AM UTC-4 Justin 

Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

[Stephen]

Hey,

Was glad to meet you yesterday Alan, Michael and Kai. I'd be interested in 
being a part of a shared workspace, its something I've thought about since 
moving up. I'm subscribed to the listings project too, i haven't looked at 
the workspace listings but I bet there might be something that could work 
there. Budget is a constraint of course. Can't say for certain what I can 
manage till my feet find their stride up here, but count me interested.

stephen

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 11:09:01 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

> I am not familiar with it but will subscribe.
>
> On Apr 28, 2022, at 10:06 AM, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
> thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> hey all, sorry I missed it. i had an ankle injury late last week and still 
> kind of recovering. i should be back to normal by next week.
>
> love the idea of a shared workshop space! does anyone else subscribe to the
>  Listings Project <https://www.listingsproject.com/>? They often have 
> art/studio spaces listed. I can take a look and see if there's anything 
> viable. price/cost is probably going to be an issue but maybe there's 
> something out there. 
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> We had a nice meet up yesterday at the Spritzenhaus (gotta love that 
>> name): Kai, Michael, Stephan and me, all on Rivendells from various eras.
>> To all New Yorkersanyone interested in sharing some rental space to 
>> set up as a workshop? My guest bedroom is becoming overrun with stuff. 
>> Could be in Brooklyn, upper Manhattanjust need easy access via bike. 
>> I'm envisioning a bike shop like atmosphere, work bench with vise (Yeh), 
>> shared tools and spare parts. Small frig with libations, used couch for a 
>> nap, etc.
>>
>> Anyone else have this pipe dream? Or a lead on some space?
>>
>> Alan
>> UWS
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>
>>>  (sorry if this is a double send).  
>>>
>>> hey all,
>>>
>>> i'm sad to miss this get together, sounds like there is a decent 
>>> number!   as far as organizing, i'd propose a sheet like this 
>>> <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AA-OoyAF6t9ais0HhXzQR8hmOIOKIyUl-pIlOM9bC54/edit#gid=634347005>,
>>>  
>>> where people can add their names and links to parts swap, etc. we can also 
>>> use it as a shared calendar for activities.
>>>
>>> if you wanna test it, here's the link to the form 
>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdkHWX27Bqkr2M344BLFUHyptbjKCO81teVqZOeM_-VRhtXZQ/viewform>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:41:40 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm in for the meetup, looking forward to it!
>>>>
>>>> -Stephen
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:04:46 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Might be a little late, coming from the dentist, hopefully not numb, 
>>>>> maybe with drop bars...
>>>>> -Kai
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:27:46 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good Morning All,
>>>>>> I'm hoping that tomorrow will be better for some of you, at least. I 
>>>>>> suggest meeting at the Spritzen House, 33 Nassau st, Greenpoint, around 
>>>>>> 5-6 
>>>>>> pm. Not sure where a good ride would be in late afternoon NYC traffic, 
>>>>>> but 
>>>>>> we can discuss ideas for future rides depending on when folks are 
>>>>>> available. I'm thinking tomorrow as meet and greet thing...the beer and 
>>>>>> sausage selection is excellent. 
>>>>>> I also think it would be fun to bring a list, written or mental, of 
>>>>>> parts/bikes wanting to sell/exchange/give away/etc. We all have stuff 
>>>>>> lying 
>>>>>> around waiting for a better life. For me, its drop bars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's see a show of hands!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan UWS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 11:55:55 AM UTC-4 jakob.b...@gmail.com
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Brooklyn Riv riders. I just moved here from San Francisco 3 weeks 
>>>>>>> ago, game for some rides! Looks like one is in the works next 
>>>>>>>

[RBW] Re: The confounding politics of camping

[Stephen]

Thanks for sharing, gave me some new perspective on 'camping' and the 
historical context is interesting. Reminds me of an anecdote my uncle in 
the bay area related to me once of commenting on a stranger's backpack 
'going camping?' and them responding along the lines of 'i camp every 
night.' 

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:49:56 PM UTC-4 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> My wife and I used hipcamp.com this past summer with good results.
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:02:15 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Here's a very interesting article about camping I just read:
>>
>>
>> https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-confounding-politics-of-camping-in-america
>>
>> This summer we are struggling to book a campsite for a week - all are 
>> sold out 6 months in advance. In the past, I would always just show up and 
>> be offered a small spot.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Stephen]

I also think your setup looks good Minh, I'm a big fan of the shop sack & 
137 combo, however I use the nitto m1 rack. In my experience i think there 
is always going to be some degree of flex when you have a rack&basket 
combined with swept back bars and a quill stem, especially as your load 
weight goes up. I think of it as compounding flex points: a little in the 
rack struts, a little in the quill length, and a little in the bar. It gets 
more noticeable as each of these lengths get longer. I have a basket setup 
on my ram with albastache bars and a really short 50mm technomic and the 
flex isn't noticeable unless im carrying a lot of weight. 

I also have an appaloosa set up with a large basket rack and a 139. I 
initially ran losco's with an 11cm stem, which felt really noodly with any 
decent weight in it, switched to the riv bull moose and it stiffened up 
considerably. 

I've also tried the carradice/bxb/fabs style bag up front and I'd say it 
reduces wobble. It may effect handling in other ways but it seems to me to 
be less flexy since you are torquing the front load directly through the 
handlebars instead of handlebars -> stem -> steer tube/fork -> rack. 
however, I still tend to prefer the shopsack basket combo because I like to 
just pick up the bag and go whenever I park the bike.

...

I just read your post again and maybe this isn't really addressing the 
issue, if its more a problem of the bike shimmying at higher speeds. I've 
experienced that on some lighter tubed bikes, i never really had a solution 
beyond carrying less weight. 
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> Another thing to try and eliminate shimmy is to use a fork crown mounted 
> brake cable stop instead of the one at the headset. Its worked for me on 
> several bikes and now its all I use. Steve
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:27 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> From your pictures, your front rack/basket seems to be set up as good as 
>> it can be, i.e., the rack is as low as possible and all the weight is on 
>> the rack, none is on the bars.  I do not see any improvements there
>>
>> So the shimmy is likely caused by the amount of weight on the front and 
>> the high trail & flop inherent in you QB.  The QB seems to be a 56 or 58cm 
>> frame and per the RBW specs on Cyclofiend ( Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame 
>> Geometry Archive Info 
>>  ) HTA is 72.5°, 
>> rake is 4.5cm & with 32-622 tires, giving a 62mm trail and 18mm flop.  The 
>> trail and flop are both high, and combined with the front weight, is a 
>> likely cause of the shimmy.
>>
>> Suggestions
>> Shift some of the front weight to the rear saddle bag to reduce front 
>> weight, and balance the load better
>>
>> Use a needle bearing headset, or a HS with needle bearings on the 
>> bottom.  
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ 
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:00:22 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:
>>
>>> hey all, i've been using my QB more now, and started to think about how 
>>> i carry things on the front of my bike.  i'm pretty settled on a rivy 
>>> shopsack+ wald137 basket + nitto mini front (with a safety strap!).  I know 
>>> this is a little perilous according to the stated specs, so would consider 
>>> other options.  
>>>
>>> I'm mostly happy with this, i do get a little bit of wobble or shimmy.  
>>>  But i also feel like this is how i've always done things so curious how 
>>> other people are carry things--particularly on front of teh bike.  For 
>>> example i see all these Fabio's Chest running around, is it better to carry 
>>> stuff off the bar?   Larger porter racks and bags?
>>>
>>> This bike is my high security storage only bike, so i'm not too worried 
>>> about leaving bags on the bike.   Would appreciate peoples thoughts, 
>>> opinions, philosophy on this!  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: How Many Bars on the Appaloosa?

[Stephen]

I'm 6'2, 92-93 pbh. I ride one of the newer 60cm appaloosa's. I have the 
55mm reneherse knobby fleecer ridge, no toe overlap problems at all. I've 
only run the bike so far with two setups - losco's on a 11cm tallux, and a 
the riv bull moose. I really like both depending on my mood or situation. 
The bullmoose is great when I'm riding more rough off road stuff, and I 
feel like it allows a more aggressive position. Even with the rise I can 
have them set up level with my saddle height, maybe even a little lower 
than. I recently got a pair of bosco's I'd like to try out for an even more 
laidback position than the losco's. The chocomooses look awesome to me, 
maybe one day I'll snag a pair. I'd love to try all the riv handlebars out 
on that bike, just trying to resist the urge to empty my bank account for a 
pair of each...

On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 2:23:38 PM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I'm 6'1" (93 PBH) and ride a 2TT 62. I currently have just about maxed it 
> out with 2.25 Thunderburts and have zero overlap. I also wanted to comment 
> on bar swapping. I started with Albatross bars with bar ends. Didn't feel 
> like I had enough hand positions. Moved to Billie's which were excellent. I 
> currently have the Jones Loop Bar with a 31.8 clamp stem. This bar stem 
> combo did a great job of stiffening the front end but I never liked the way 
> they look. I had a desire to return to a traditional Riv aesthetic and will 
> put the Billie's back on. I had sold my Billie bars to a fellow forum 
> member who lives locally. Fortunately for me he has been gracious enough to 
> sell them back to me! This time when I reinstall the Billie's I am going to 
> Paul Thumbies and will try my Fabio's chest on the bars to see how I like 
> that set up. This to me is one of the joys of riding a Rivendell. Always 
> lots of options as to how you set them up. 
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:19:52 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>
>> 6'1" with long legs (92pbh). I had a 62 Appaloosa and currently have a 60 
>> Appaloosa. I've never had toe overlap on either. I've used 38's on up to 
>> 57's (and 50's with fenders). I would size the frame based on your riding 
>> style. If you are thinking drops or either moose and you don't like the 
>> bars very upright, I would probably size down. The mooses have a lot of 
>> rise built in and you may be limited on how far down you can push them. Not 
>> an issue if you want them more upright. Also, in my experience, the 
>> Appaloosa prefers tires 50mm+.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 1:01:44 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>
>>> Resurrecting an old thread, as I'm lazily pondering an Appaloosa with a 
>>> ChocoMoose set-up (if I can find one). How's the toe overlap on this with 
>>> ~50 mm tire? 42 mm tire? Folks who are ~6' tall, what size frame are you 
>>> riding? Drop-bar or BullMoose or ChocoMoose? 
>>>
>>> - Max "who can't stop tinkering" in A2 
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:51:09 PM UTC-5 James wrote:
>>>
 I used to ride with the Albatross but the bends in the bars were 
 uncomfortable when I wanted to put my hands in a more forwards position.  
 I 
 switched to Bosco bars and love them but I am ridiculously upright.  I can 
 lean forwards and rest my elbows on by bar grips, with my hands in the 
 center of the bar.  I can hardly stand and pedal though, as my hands will 
 basically be at my hips.  I'l like to switch and am considering the 
 choco-moose based off this thread.
 On Sunday, February 20, 2022 at 12:15:49 AM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> Yeah I'm a handlebar fiend. The first bar I became obsessed with was 
> the Albatross with bar-end shifters. Truly a perfect cockpit. The second 
> handlebar obsession was the Nitto B135 in the 45cm flavor... but then I 
> discovered my preference for shorter reach, which led me to my third and 
> maybe-latest favorite: Ritchey's Butano handlebar. Another perfect one: 
> it's ridiculously comfortable with just a single layer of Green Grips 
> cotton bar tape. HOWEVER. I'm waiting on a new pair of Albatross bars to 
> come in the mail from Riv, so I'm going back to the beginning to see how 
> that feels. 
>
> Going from drops to alt-bars is the biggest swap for me because it 
> usually means I've completely changed the intention of the build from an 
> endurance-focused bike (drops) to a fun, smell the roses, 
> better-all-terrain bike (alt-bars). It's on like a 1.5-2 year rotation it 
> seems. I romanticize spending all day on the saddle, try it, get 
> progressively more bored for the next year and a half, then revert and/or 
> graduate to Albatross bars until I get sick of the headwind on a paved 
> ride 
> in another year and a half!   
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 8:04:27 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Yep!
>>
>>
>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/135532314029/the-joe-appaloo

Re: [RBW] Bars and more bars...

[Stephen]

Hey John,

I'm surprised no one's talked about choco bars yet. Personally I have yet 
to try them, but I think they look great. Riv describes them as being good 
for roadish bikes as an alternative to drop bars. Bikesnobnyc has them on 
his homer.

Paul brakes are incredible. I haven't used the dia compe canti's, but the 
paul's ease of setup and adjustibility allow you to dial in such a perfect 
brake feel in my experience. Painfully expensive but they'll last forever!

stephen

On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 8:33:32 AM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: 3CF862D8-6758-4A8F-92A3-23A113CC1071.jpeg]
>
> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 7:32:03 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have always been more of a drop bar guy, but after 500 miles on Billie 
>> bars I am starting to change my thinking. I do not like a too upright 
>> position - the front curves, which I use a lot, are about saddle level. The 
>> ends are angled slightly down which I like for descending or on the trail. 
>> The front curves feel similar to riding on the hoods of a drop bar. I keep 
>> thinking that  as my rides get longer I will wish for drop bars, but I have 
>> not found that to be the case. I feel like by flexing my elbows I can get a 
>> low enough position for a headwind, though obviously not as low as drops. 
>> Yesterday I rode 40+ miles in complete comfort with no hand, neck or 
>> shoulder (I’m rehabbing a rotator cuff injury)pain, and feel that 50-60 
>> miles would be no problem. These days I do not ride longer than that very 
>> often. The Joe Appaloosa with Billie bars is making me rethink my ideas on 
>> comfort.
>>
>> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 6:52:54 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I will definitely second being less comfortable when I am too upright. I 
>>> still haven't found a bar with back sweep and rise (albatross, boscos, 
>>> etc.) that I feel comfortable on. My bikes are all pretty much drops or 
>>> flat bars (wavies, bullmoose, Jones). I can only descend hills at any sort 
>>> of speed on drop bars. My favorite drops are Randonneur Bars (which Riv 
>>> does not sell) - the bars sweep up at the outside so that the ramps are 
>>> above the stem. I have been riding drops for 52 years since that first 
>>> Varsity Sport, the Super Sport a year later introduced me to Randonneur 
>>> bars (and Chrome-Moly frames and alloy rims and Brooks saddles). The top of 
>>> my bars are above the Saddle these days, but the drops are still below the 
>>> saddle.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 6:03:47 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John, 
>>>>
>>>> I'm surely not a "typical" Riv rider in that I grew up and am still 
>>>> most comfortable/relaxed with a forward leaning position. The more upright 
>>>> I go the more unstable I feel on the bike, exactly the opposite of what's 
>>>> being touted. Don't believe anything/everything you read, *even this*, 
>>>> everything you need to know you already know within yourself. I wouldn't 
>>>> make a very good teacher as that'd be about all I'd say to the 
>>>> "students". that and "why ask me that which you already know and are 
>>>> ?" 
>>>> Why ? so that in asking and answering we can laugh/revel in the 
>>>> hilarity of playing *question and answer *!  Self Revelation  ...
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Stephen]

Ha! Yeah I'm a little excessive with my cable run, its been a minute since 
I set this up. Haven't gotten caught on anything yet! 

as far as the cassette goes, its a 9 spd shimano xt, 11-34/36 (can't 
remember exactly how big it is and I'm away from the bike, but in the 30's 
somewhere... I wanna say its the 36). I'm probably maxing out what the 
derailer is capable of in terms of size, I remember being a little 
concerned if it would work when I first put it on but its been smooth and 
no problems. 

Also on the front end I'm using the riv silver jis square taper wide/low 
(38/24) double crankset, which I've been very pleased with as well both 
aesthetically and functionally. 

-Stephen
On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 7:47:00 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Stephen, that's the same XTR I had and parted with. What size is your 
> cassette? 
>
> I agree, my first ride with the rapid rise was not a religious experience. 
>
> I think you can run a shorter piece of housing back there. I believe the 
> pivoting cable stop that feeds the cable pulley is designed to minimize the 
> run of cable and housing over the dropout. Eben Weiss/Bike Snob has the 
> same derailer as yours and posted something about running a longer, then 
> shorter piece of housing but now I can't find it. I did find a picture, 
> though. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-23 at 7.35.14 AM.png]
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 9:49:29 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-22 at 9.41.11 PM.png]
>> I got this xtr at a swap meet last year and have been a big fan. Before I 
>> was running a deore like the one in russ' video. This is on my 2020 
>> appaloosa with riversed silver thumbie shifters currently set up on 
>> bullmooses but I also swap out to loscos sometimes. I'm a big fan of it, 
>> though I'd agree with path less pedaled in saying its not mind blowing. I 
>> think it shifts great, I love the style of this era xtr. Haven't noticed 
>> any issues yet in terms of the spring not giving a snappy enough shift, but 
>> I definitely have had the beneficial ghost shift going uphill in the 
>> mountains since installing.
>>
>> Stephen
>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 9:20:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> JJ thanks for sharing your experiences across several RR mechs, that's a 
>>> lot of sampling. Sounds like you've found cage movement that works for you! 
>>> Dig the pic as well, thank you. I agree the red decal is a bit much. 
>>> Perhaps I'll scrape it off. 
>>>
>>> Johnny, thanks for the link, that is an in-depth look at derailers I'd 
>>> kind of forgotten about. It's a long one so here are some tidbits about 
>>> cost and arrival, which I'm sure will change:
>>>
>>> *6. How much will it cost?*
>>>
>>> a. We don't know. Ideally we'll have a fancy first model, the SILVER 
>>> OM-1; and then cheaper other models, maybe OM-2, OM-3. Maybe $300 for a 
>>> fancy, and $30 for a plain? We have zero idea, but a derailer too expensive 
>>> to buy is no fun and misses the point; and a super cheap derailer that 
>>> doesn't account for the cost of developing and making it is ... not gonna 
>>> happen. We'll just see.
>>>
>>> *11. When?*
>>>
>>> a. We're hoping the fancy by Spring 2023, and the plain by Fall 2023.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:00:40 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>>> Riv is indeed making different tiers. I believe Grant said he wanted 
>>>> the top level to be around $300 but a plain jane low level version for 
>>>> something like $30.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/late-may-silver-is-a-bugger-and-the-last-good-looking-rear-derailer
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 7:40:55 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've been exclusively running low normal for a few years. Here's a pic 
>>>>> of the XT M770 on my Hunqapillar. When I first started using Rapid Rise I 
>>>>> had a few muscle memory misfires (getting the opposite of what I wanted 
>>>>> when I moved the shift lever). It lasted a couple of weeks, but then it 
>>>>> was 
>>>>> like a flipping a switch in my brain and motor coordination. The logic 
>>>>> just 
>>>>> made so much sense, especially the consistency in left and right 
>>>>> shifting, 
>>>>> easier in one dir

[RBW] Re: Video: Appaloosa build updates

[Stephen]

Hey Eric,

Enjoyed the video, as well as your others! I appreciated the top down 
comparison of the billies to the ortho's, didn't realize the ortho's came 
back so far. In fact, seeing them from that angle they look so similar to 
the Tosco bar shape. Also the suntour power thumb shifters look great, I 
love how minimal their clamp on the bar is. Might have to look for some of 
those myself.. 

How are you liking the switch from cotton bar wrap to the oury's? are you 
going to wrap the front of the ortho bars?

Bike looks great, keep up the good work.

-stephen

On Sunday, September 4, 2022 at 4:54:25 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone — I just finished a new video about my Appaloosa. Handlebar 
> swap, new shifters, new front and rear derailers (including a Nexave rapid 
> rise mech). Also installed a Nitto front rack, Son dynamo hub and Schmidt 
> Edeluxe II. 
>
> https://youtu.be/muQgJiZtzwY
>
> Special appearance by orthopedic specialist Dr. Ronnie Romance. 
>
> Enjoy!
>
> [image: Appaloosa 20220904.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Wanted: Appaloosa 60cm pics with big tires, thoughts on upright riding position

[Stephen]

Wow, I'm also reallly drawn to that grilver clem.  Hoping to get a 
appaloosa of similar size this next round too. Bones, how does your clem 
compare to your appaloosa?

stephen

On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 9:21:07 AM UTC-8 Bones wrote:

> Here is my 62 Appaloosa with 50mm Cazarderos on Cliffhangers (measure a 
> true 50mm). I fit a 2.1" Thunderburt in the rear but the 2.25" was too 
> close for comfort. The 2.25" fit fine in the fork but it needed to be 
> deflated a bit (annoying). Not sure if that has changed with more recent 
> models. I am never uncomfortable on this bike; I did not build it as an in 
> the hoods faster pace bike so I can't really comment on that.
> [image: DSC00759.jpg]
>
> And here is my 59 Clem H with 2.25" Thunderburts on Cliffhangers. Plenty 
> of room. Will probably try 2.5" tires next. This bike is a good fit and 
> also very comfortable.
> [image: DSC00324.jpg]
>
> Bones
> On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 2:53:17 AM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> Looking for some photos of a Joe Appaloosa size 60 or 58 with big tires, 
>> 29x2.25ish.  New to group, hopeful Riv owner. Thinking of getting an orange 
>> Joe when the next batch comes out.  Most pics on the www are of smaller 
>> frames, and I'd love to see what the proportions look like on a big frame. 
>>  Also wonder if the upright riding position that Riv is known for gets 
>> uncomfortable or hinders hard pedaling.  I'm used to getting in the hoods 
>> to get a faster pace going. Currently ride a Surly Traveler Check with 
>> drops, a Panasonic MC4500 vintage mtb, and a FBM bmx.  Feel free to drop 
>> any insights on the Appaloosa worth knowing before dropping a pretty penny 
>> on one.  Thanks.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie & Gus take a 40 day Vacation

[Stephen]

This is dope, looks like an awesome trip! I got to ride with Tim last week 
in Connecticut, it was a great time!

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 11:32:07 AM UTC-4 joseph...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGgOqEqOkc
>
> took a 40 day vacation with bikes.  I ride a Gus and my friend, Tim, a 
> Susie.  Check out the video above for a recap of events in sequential order.
>
> The original idea was a skate trip by bicycles but with mediocre at best 
> planning.  We would ride from Seattle to Oakland finding as much dirt and 
> gravel as possible.  
> We left Chicago by car on July 3rd with my wife, 2 dogs, 2 bikes and 
> plenty of camping equipment.  We dropped my bike off in Seattle to get the 
> front hub replaced and drove up to Orcas Island for some camping and 
> skating.  After 10 days of driving my wife dropped Tim & I in Seattle to 
> begin the biking portion.  Yes, my wife dropped us in Seattle and drover 
> herself and the 2 dogs back to Chicago by herself.  She is the best and has 
> already let me know she will not be doing that again anytime soon. 
> Free Range Cycles in Seattle was the starting point for the biking portion 
> because that is where my bike was.  We had a late start and ended up 
> skating under the bridge, Marginal Way, until dark with the Grindline 
> crew.  A guy named Isaac gave us a place to crash on the flat bottom of 
> there indoor vert ramp.  He also gave us a great route to hit skateparks 
> along the way towards Yakima.  
>
> We zigzagged through Washington hitting skateparks along the way. If you 
> didn't know already the Seattle area has the most skateparks per capita.  
> The route was not straight forward but the trip was not meant to be. We 
> rode towards Yakima and hung for a day before making our way 
> towards Bingen, WA.
> After skating Bingen Park for a full day we hitchhiked across the Columbia 
> River to get into Hood River, Oregon.  From Hood River we rode to Portland 
> and instead of staying in Portland for 3 days we stayed for 14.  After 
> about 8 days our friend finally asked how long we would be sleeping on his 
> floor.  We originally thought we would ride the Oregon Outback but due to 
> heavy fires thought best to just stay and skate Burnside everyday and do 
> some s24o in the Portland area. (We plan on going back and doing the 
> Outback in the early spring time).  We both were not interested in biking 
> the 1 and used a Hertz bailout to rent a van and drive the 1 with our bikes 
> to Oakland.  Saving our legs for lots of day rides and skating through the 
> Oakland area. 
> We stayed in Oakland for about 10 days and skated every single day expect 
> one when we decided to take BART to walnut creek and ride Mt. Diablo.  
> After sleeping outside on the Mountain we checked out Riv and took BART 
> back to our friends place in Oakland.
> After a good time in Oakland we took the Amtrak back to Chicago on August 
> 12th.
> The big take away... Bring your bike to each town you visit so you can go 
> where you want when you want.  Sometimes, listen to locals.  Lastly, 
> carrying a skateboard while touring adds a lot of extra weight but totally 
> worth it if you are still a 30+ year old skate rat.  
>
> -Joseph
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie & Gus take a 40 day Vacation

[Stephen]

Hell yeah dude, likewise if you come by NC.

On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 2:26:12 PM UTC-4 Tim Baldwin wrote:

> This trip was a blast! Glad Joseph and I made it happen after postponing a 
> year due to the pandemic. Many thanks to Allison for the drop-off.
>
> Stephen, it was a pleasure riding the Nutmeg with you. Hoping to do it 
> again next year. Holler if you end up in the Chicago area and we can link 
> up for a ride.
>
> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 10:17:16 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> This is dope, looks like an awesome trip! I got to ride with Tim last 
>> week in Connecticut, it was a great time!
>>
>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 11:32:07 AM UTC-4 joseph...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGgOqEqOkc
>>>
>>> took a 40 day vacation with bikes.  I ride a Gus and my friend, Tim, a 
>>> Susie.  Check out the video above for a recap of events in sequential order.
>>>
>>> The original idea was a skate trip by bicycles but with mediocre at best 
>>> planning.  We would ride from Seattle to Oakland finding as much dirt and 
>>> gravel as possible.  
>>> We left Chicago by car on July 3rd with my wife, 2 dogs, 2 bikes and 
>>> plenty of camping equipment.  We dropped my bike off in Seattle to get the 
>>> front hub replaced and drove up to Orcas Island for some camping and 
>>> skating.  After 10 days of driving my wife dropped Tim & I in Seattle to 
>>> begin the biking portion.  Yes, my wife dropped us in Seattle and drover 
>>> herself and the 2 dogs back to Chicago by herself.  She is the best and has 
>>> already let me know she will not be doing that again anytime soon. 
>>> Free Range Cycles in Seattle was the starting point for the biking 
>>> portion because that is where my bike was.  We had a late start and ended 
>>> up skating under the bridge, Marginal Way, until dark with the Grindline 
>>> crew.  A guy named Isaac gave us a place to crash on the flat bottom of 
>>> there indoor vert ramp.  He also gave us a great route to hit skateparks 
>>> along the way towards Yakima.  
>>>
>>> We zigzagged through Washington hitting skateparks along the way. If you 
>>> didn't know already the Seattle area has the most skateparks per capita.  
>>> The route was not straight forward but the trip was not meant to be. We 
>>> rode towards Yakima and hung for a day before making our way 
>>> towards Bingen, WA.
>>> After skating Bingen Park for a full day we hitchhiked across the 
>>> Columbia River to get into Hood River, Oregon.  From Hood River we rode to 
>>> Portland and instead of staying in Portland for 3 days we stayed for 14.  
>>> After about 8 days our friend finally asked how long we would be sleeping 
>>> on his floor.  We originally thought we would ride the Oregon Outback but 
>>> due to heavy fires thought best to just stay and skate Burnside everyday 
>>> and do some s24o in the Portland area. (We plan on going back and doing the 
>>> Outback in the early spring time).  We both were not interested in biking 
>>> the 1 and used a Hertz bailout to rent a van and drive the 1 with our bikes 
>>> to Oakland.  Saving our legs for lots of day rides and skating through the 
>>> Oakland area. 
>>> We stayed in Oakland for about 10 days and skated every single day 
>>> expect one when we decided to take BART to walnut creek and ride Mt. 
>>> Diablo.  After sleeping outside on the Mountain we checked out Riv and took 
>>> BART back to our friends place in Oakland.
>>> After a good time in Oakland we took the Amtrak back to Chicago on 
>>> August 12th.
>>> The big take away... Bring your bike to each town you visit so you can 
>>> go where you want when you want.  Sometimes, listen to locals.  Lastly, 
>>> carrying a skateboard while touring adds a lot of extra weight but totally 
>>> worth it if you are still a 30+ year old skate rat.  
>>>
>>> -Joseph
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[Stephen]

Looks like a really fun ride! What color are you going to use for the bars?
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:35:21 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Nice Atlantis, and thanks for sharing the tip about the brake lever 
> modification I'll keep that in mind if I swap out my cantis for Vs.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:02 AM dave_m...@yahoo.com <
> david.h@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
>> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
>> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
>> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
>> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
>> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
>> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
>> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
>> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
>> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project. 
>>
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[RBW] FS: 54cm Butterscotch canti AHH frameset. w/headset, paul brakes, nitto seatpost, $1100 shipped

[Stephen]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37778...@n07/sets/72157625536602711/

sorry for the poor photos, yall know how hard it is to capture a
rivendell in pictures.

Its a re branded Saluki, with canti mounts.

All beat up, no dents. Comes with Paul brakes and Nitto seatpost. It's
as butterscotch as the first Salukis, though i dont know if those had
the same subtle sparkle as this custom color does. Of course the
photos don't do the color justice. Its butterscotch though, not any
variation of it.

I caught the right front brake arm in my wheel, stupidly. It's bent,
but works fine, sometimes too well.

AND i broke a screw off in the left side fender braze on. That sucks.

All put together, you don't notice the paint chips, really. I rode it
down the coast of California last year, and between the rides and the
disassemblies, it got scratched up. I never thought in a million years
i would sell it, so i just rode the hell out of it. I also never
thought i would by a Rivendell too small. I did, and 2 years later I'm
ready to admit it. So here you go!

Contact me off the list with questions and such,

~Stephen

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[RBW] FS: 650b Velocity Synergy/White Industries Eno rear wheel $200

[Stephen]

I don't have photos, but its a wonderful wheel.  Its the newer hub
model, so you have to use the White Industries splined cog.  It comes
with a 15 tooth cog.  All silver, 32 holes.  The rim is NOT offset.  I
dont remember the spoke details. I'm sure theyre fine.  $200 shipped.
Contact off list

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Butterscotch canti AHH frameset. w/headset, paul brakes, nitto seatpost, make offer

[Stephen]

Hi again, I'm happy to accept less than reasonable offers for this
frame before I ebay it.  I'm not confident I'd get much out of the
auction process, and I'd be happier knowing someone here was riding
it.  If this frame fits you or someone you really really like, dont
let the price keep you from contacting me.  Take care.

On Dec 23 2010, 9:23 pm, Stephen  wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37778385@N07/sets/72157625536602711/
>
> sorry for the poor photos, yall know how hard it is to capture a
> rivendell in pictures.
>
> Its a re branded Saluki, with canti mounts.
>
> All beat up, no dents. Comes with Paul brakes and Nitto seatpost. It's
> as butterscotch as the first Salukis, though i dont know if those had
> the same subtle sparkle as this custom color does. Of course the
> photos don't do the color justice. Its butterscotch though, not any
> variation of it.
>
> I caught the right front brake arm in my wheel, stupidly. It's bent,
> but works fine, sometimes too well.
>
> AND i broke a screw off in the left side fender braze on. That sucks.
>
> All put together, you don't notice the paint chips, really. I rode it
> down the coast of California last year, and between the rides and the
> disassemblies, it got scratched up. I never thought in a million years
> i would sell it, so i just rode the hell out of it. I also never
> thought i would by a Rivendell too small. I did, and 2 years later I'm
> ready to admit it. So here you go!
>
> Contact me off the list with questions and such,
>
> ~Stephen

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Butterscotch canti AHH frameset. w/headset, paul brakes, nitto seatpost, make offer

[Stephen]

Frame is sold.  It's going somewhere good.  I got a lot of really nice
replies.  This is a good group of folks.



On Jan 13, 6:01 pm, James Warren  wrote:
> Beautiful frame. I hope you get what it's worth, and I hope someone who 
> appreciates its greatness really enjoys it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> >From: Stephen 
> >Sent: Jan 13, 2011 9:01 AM
> >To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> >Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Butterscotch canti AHH frameset. w/headset, paul 
> >brakes, nitto seatpost, make offer
>
> >Hi again, I'm happy to accept less than reasonable offers for this
> >frame before I ebay it.  I'm not confident I'd get much out of the
> >auction process, and I'd be happier knowing someone here was riding
> >it.  If this frame fits you or someone you really really like, dont
> >let the price keep you from contacting me.  Take care.
>
> >On Dec 23 2010, 9:23 pm, Stephen  wrote:
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/37778385@N07/sets/72157625536602711/
>
> >> sorry for the poor photos, yall know how hard it is to capture a
> >> rivendell in pictures.
>
> >> Its a re branded Saluki, with canti mounts.
>
> >> All beat up, no dents. Comes with Paul brakes and Nitto seatpost. It's
> >> as butterscotch as the first Salukis, though i dont know if those had
> >> the same subtle sparkle as this custom color does. Of course the
> >> photos don't do the color justice. Its butterscotch though, not any
> >> variation of it.
>
> >> I caught the right front brake arm in my wheel, stupidly. It's bent,
> >> but works fine, sometimes too well.
>
> >> AND i broke a screw off in the left side fender braze on. That sucks.
>
> >> All put together, you don't notice the paint chips, really. I rode it
> >> down the coast of California last year, and between the rides and the
> >> disassemblies, it got scratched up. I never thought in a million years
> >> i would sell it, so i just rode the hell out of it. I also never
> >> thought i would by a Rivendell too small. I did, and 2 years later I'm
> >> ready to admit it. So here you go!
>
> >> Contact me off the list with questions and such,
>
> >> ~Stephen
>
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[RBW] Upcoming Trip/Making Friends/Tire Question

[Stephen]

1) I'm riding down the coast of California all of December and January
on my AHH.  I'm allowing plenty of time to find adventures and make
friends.  Any of you interested in that?  I'll be in Crescent City on
the 1st, and the San Fransisco area a few weeks later, and hopefully
San Diego by the end of January. This group of people seems to be full
of good ideas, so I'm open to any suggestions about anything.

2) Will it make any perceivable difference to swap my 32mm Nifty
Swiftys for some 35mm  Col de la Vies?  Im obviously adding more
weight for the tour, but i dont think the total weight of me and the
bike will be more than 170lbs.  Or does the tread make a noticeable
difference?

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[RBW] Re: Upcoming Trip/Making Friends/Tire Question

[Stephen]

wow, i knew it would be a good idea to post here.  thanks for all the
fantastic advice.  ive already made-bigger my tires, and ill
definitely spend the next few weeks sorting out routes.
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[RBW] High resolution Rivendell logos, anyone?

[Stephen]

I'm lookin to laser etch a Rivendell logo into my water bottles, to
make my AHH look nicer.  Any high resolution images kicking around
your in computer?  I'm not selling the bottles, which makes re-using
another company's logo less illegal, right?

Not everyones dad has a laser engraver in his basement... Mine does,
and I'm home for the holliday.


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