[RBW] Re: Talk to me about bottom brackets

[Ryan Fleming]

I have to say...I have Phil BBs on my rivs, but those SKF BBs do sound 
amazing especially with a 10-year guarantee. For the money, it sounds like 
these SKF BBs  are hard to beat.Now if it makes you fasterwe may be 
into mechanical doping  territory here... :)

Compass delivery service is excellent, too. OT  I ordered 3 pairs of 
Compass tires and I got them in under a week shipped to Canada. Riding 
impressions to follow

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 3:45:55 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Here are some articles on brackets:
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/category/components/bottom-brackets/
>
> There should be one of the articles talking about bracket structure and 
> features.
>

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Re: [RBW] s24o report: Howling wind, sunburns, mud roads, and schnitzel

[Ryan Fleming]

and our winds certainly can  make up for not so much hilly 
terrain...they've been strong NE winds for the last couple of 
weeks...weird. As I recall we get strong SW winds around this time of year. 
St. Malo has a pretty nice campground  and it's even nicer when  there are 
no other campers

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 4:55:45 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Well you've pretty much seen it all now! There is a hooole 
> lotta flat nothing here :)
>
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 4:37:53 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Kudos. Interesting to see Canadian plains landscapes for a change. 
>>
>> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:
>>
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>>> This past weekend I had an amusing request from my wife. "Could you 
>>> please go on one of those bike camping trips this weekend? Like for the 
>>> whole weekend?"
>>>
>>> For context, my wife works at a non-profit that grants 'dreams' to kids 
>>> with life-threatening or terminal diseases. Sending them to Disney, playing 
>>> hockey with their favourite player, meeting a celebrity, that kinda thing. 
>>> They were holding their annual fundraising auction which meant she worked 
>>> from 7am to 3am and wanted a weekend at home alone to recover. I was happy 
>>> to accommodate!
>>>
>>> Typically my s24o's are of the 2-3 hour ride variety. But this time I 
>>> figured I'd try riding to a French town 100km south of home, St Malo. The 
>>> town is interesting in that it's sitting on the Crow Wing Trail, an old 
>>> Metis trading route. That means a mix of gravel roads, dirt roads, trails, 
>>> and a touch of single track. Perfect!
>>>
>>> I rounded up two friends and we hit the road on Saturday at noon. The 
>>> wind had picked up and was blowing hard as a cross-tail wind. There were a 
>>> few sections where we could ride three-abreast, spin easy, and marvel at 
>>> the idyllic conditions. Then we'd round a corner and stop dead in our 
>>> tracks as the gale-force winds ground us to a halt. The sun was out in 
>>> force for the first time all year. We all felt our skin burning, despite 
>>> liberal applications of SPF 60 sunscreen. It was amusing to realize just 
>>> how pasty our skin had become after 6 months of winter.
>>>
>>> It's always a treat to be able to ride dirt roads. Two weeks earlier, a 
>>> friend attempted the same route on his fat bike. He told me within half a 
>>> mile his bike was brought to a complete halt, requiring him to remove his 
>>> wheels (which weighed about 25 pounds each with the mud) and walk each 
>>> wheel out individually, followed by his frame. Such is the power of 
>>> Manitoba gumbo. Thankfully for us, they were dry, packed, and fast!
>>>
>>> Just shy of our goal, we stopped in another French town called St Pierre 
>>> Jolys. Strangely it had a german schnitzel house called Oma's Schnitzel 
>>> Stube. Obviously we stopped. Schnitzel and german beers were consumed till 
>>> we could scarcely walk. The final 14km to town were slow and wobbly. 
>>>
>>> Reaching St Malo around 8pm after 8 hours on the road, we had about an 
>>> hour to setup camp and get dinner ready. I tried making spicy peanut pad 
>>> thai using a recipe from bikepacking.com - a great success! We were 
>>> treated to a vibrant sunset on a glassy lake, with loons singing their 
>>> haunting tune in the distance. Since it's still so early in the season, we 
>>> were free of bugs, ticks, other campers, and nuisances of all kinds. 
>>>
>>> The following morning it was up by 8am for oatmeal with cinnamon, fresh 
>>> raspberries, alm

[RBW] Re: Bridgestone X0-1 on the Radavist

[Ryan Fleming]

Say what you like ; it's still a classic bike and I'd never get rid of mine 
(23 years old this September and still holding up remarkably well)

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 6:37:02 PM UTC-5, Jack Doran wrote:
>
> Dig the drilled stem, orange Paul cable carrier and cream Rubinas. Proper!
>
> http://theradavist.com/2016/05/nathans-bridgestone-xo-1-touring-bike/#1
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[RBW] Re: Bridgestone X0-1 on the Radavist

[Ryan Fleming]

Mark, you are such a nice guy that if it were your size I'd leave it to you 
in my will. Really! I'd want it to go to a good home where someone will 
love it as much as I do

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:48:13 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Ryan, you're lucky that bike isn't my size... I'd be pestering you 
> relentlessly to sell it to me. I still have a photo of your bike on my 
> phone somewhere from when I first met you! Such a great bike. 
>
> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:41:31 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Say what you like ; it's still a classic bike and I'd never get rid of 
>> mine (23 years old this September and still holding up remarkably well)
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 6:37:02 PM UTC-5, Jack Doran wrote:
>>>
>>> Dig the drilled stem, orange Paul cable carrier and cream Rubinas. 
>>> Proper!
>>>
>>> http://theradavist.com/2016/05/nathans-bridgestone-xo-1-touring-bike/#1
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bridgestone X0-1 on the Radavist

[Ryan Fleming]

that's a thought...it's a 52cm :)

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:56:12 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Well, I may be way to big for it, but my wife certainly is not haha!
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> Mark, you are such a nice guy that if it were your size I'd leave it to 
>> you in my will. Really! I'd want it to go to a good home where someone will 
>> love it as much as I do
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:48:13 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> Ryan, you're lucky that bike isn't my size... I'd be pestering you 
>>> relentlessly to sell it to me. I still have a photo of your bike on my 
>>> phone somewhere from when I first met you! Such a great bike. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:41:31 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Say what you like ; it's still a classic bike and I'd never get rid of 
>>>> mine (23 years old this September and still holding up remarkably well)
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 6:37:02 PM UTC-5, Jack Doran wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dig the drilled stem, orange Paul cable carrier and cream Rubinas. 
>>>>> Proper!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://theradavist.com/2016/05/nathans-bridgestone-xo-1-touring-bike/#1
>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bridgestone X0-1 on the Radavist

[Ryan Fleming]

Same orange colour

Original Ritchey Force stem , newer heat-treated Moustache bars - black 
Cinelli Cork ribbon -  Original Ultegra shifters

Original Sugino GP crank and 105 derailleurs and MKS Sylvan track pedals

1996 Campy  Record post and B-17 standard saddle

Shimano CX70 breaks and Tiagra levers

Wheels are grey Araya RM20 rims w 105 7-speed rear hub and 1 of those nice 
Suntour XC900 front hubs Grant P used to give out like candy for $20 
..recently bought Compass McClure Pass tires...so recent I haven't put 
enough on them to give you a definitive impression but they remind me of 
the old Pasela 26 X 1.5 they replaced...they look almost identical but 
Compass casing is more supple.  NOS XT 7-speed cassette that is due for 
replacement soonsome of my favorite cogs are getting worn and shifting 
isn't all that it could be. I think I have 1 or 2 of those old XT cassettes 
somewhere...but really , that's fixable.

 The bike is really in very nice shape for its 23 years. I'd say of the 4 
bikes I have in rotation, it probably has the most miles on it; it's my 
commuting bike along with my Peugeot PX-10 because my locking situation is 
not bad but not good enough to lock up my Rivendells ...although I would 
hate to lose that X0-1. I'm banking on the average bike thief not investing 
a lot of effort on ripping  it off 

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 3:17:32 PM UTC-5, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> Ryan, have you changed your XO from it's original configuration or left it 
> stock? Just curious.
>
> -Justin
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[RBW] Re: Bridgestone X0-1 on the Radavist

[Ryan Fleming]

No ...I wouldn't describe it as a touring bike either , but I suppose you 
could if you wanted to. The Riv A/R or the Atlantis which the X0-1 sort of 
evolved into are much better choices

It was cool to see those pictures though...it is a unique bike, that's for 
sure

On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 10:06:58 AM UTC-5, stevef wrote:
>
> Too bad the author described it as a "touring bike," tho.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 7:37:02 PM UTC-4, Jack Doran wrote:
>>
>> Dig the drilled stem, orange Paul cable carrier and cream Rubinas. Proper!
>>
>> http://theradavist.com/2016/05/nathans-bridgestone-xo-1-touring-bike/#1
>>
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[RBW] Re: seatpost size and sealed seat tube in 89 RB-2?

[Ryan Fleming]

If you don't have any luck getting an answer here, there is a  related list 
with lots of knowledgeable folks...some of whom are in both groups

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/internet-bob  


And Sheldon Brown site has some scanned bridgestone catalogs going back to 
88 or so...I know this because my partner Terry Scott did some of the 
scans...

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/ 

Good luck!

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 11:42:03 AM UTC-5, Steve Litvin wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1) Anyone know what the seatpost size is for a 89 Rb-2?  I've actually 
> owned it since 91 or so but its been sitting for a while.  I thought it was 
> 27.2, but I'm getting the feeling its a 27.0 or 26.8
>
> 2) Did this generation of Bridgestones come with sealed seat tubes?  I was 
> cleaning up the bike and for the first time noticed there seems to be a 
> sealed plug 10 inches or so down the seat tube.  At first I thought maybe I 
> was forgetting I snapped a post off in it but it seems to be sealed, like 
> the tool to remove a traditional head set race.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Steve
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[RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[Ryan Fleming]

love that green...what a good-looking bike

On Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 11:01:38 PM UTC-5, gordo wrote:
>
> Thanks to Mark and Bill for the inspiration.  Here's a photo of my 
> recently acquired Atlantis with 2.1 Thunder Burts.  Rides great with the 
> exception of the lackluster Shimano brakes (these will be swapped out for a 
> set of Pauls during the next rainy day).
>
> Atlantis in GG Park 
> 
>
> Happy riding,
>
> Eric
>
> On Saturday, April 2, 2016 at 1:38:41 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Since I'm using my Appaloosa as my camping bike, my Atlantis got kind of 
>> demoted to the humiliating state of "really heavy road bike".  That's not 
>> good enough, so I pulled her fenders, and re-shod her with some 29x2.0" 
>> knobbies.  Please don't hate me that the sidewalls say "Cannondale" on 
>> them.  They are hand-me-downs from my Mountain Bike Racing Team.  Now the 
>> Atlantis is looking stripped down, bad-ass, and butch.  If you wanted a 
>> nice steel rim-brake monstercross bike, this would not be a bad way to do 
>> it.  It should be fun for some summer trail riding.  
>>
>> FAT-Lantis2 
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Seeking Help in the San Francisco Area

[Ryan Fleming]

hard to tell...don't have a good image of the lugs...only one of the 
pictures blows up

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:17:08 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Very interesting bicycle. It looks like a 26" wheeled road bike; it's not 
> an "All Rounder"? I am particularly interested because I've owned 3 custom 
> 26" wheeled Rivendell road bikes (and still own the later, and better, 2 of 
> them).
>
> Let us know how it (a) fits, (b) "feels", (c) rides. 
>
> Patrick "and lower that bar, g-dammit!" Moore
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 4:48 AM, Joe Gates  > wrote:
>
>> Long time reader first time posting and hoping to finally add a Rivendell 
>> to my stable but in need of help to do so.  I have been in communication 
>> with the seller of this listing on the San Francisco Bay Area Craigslist 
>> and I thought i had someone local to facilitate the transaction, but they 
>> decided they were not able to do it for me.  So before the sale gets away I 
>> wanted to see if i could enlist the help of a Bay area resident to get this 
>> bike (of course, one of you might be the one the seller has in a holding 
>> pattern and therefore you might be rooting against me!) and ship it to me.  
>> The seller has already agreed to let me send the payment to him via paypal 
>> so you would not need to carry the cash to meet him.  I will pay the actual 
>> shipping cost plus whatever (reasonable) fee you charge for your time in 
>> picking it up and taking to the shop.  
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Joe "too far from San Fran to pick up his first Rivendell" Gates
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Re: [RBW] Those 105 levers on that Roadeo look so nice...

[Ryan Fleming]

Yes...those Roadeos are very nice , espcially the burgundy,and the Riv boys 
are  superb at cherry-picking parts. I think with the 105 , you are 
probably hitting the sweet spot for function and  price. Not in love with 
the 105 cranks' looks, mind you...but that's me

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:10:51 AM UTC-5, Skenry wrote:
>
> Yes, the 105 stuff looks good and is a screaming deal too.I agree 
> about the cranks though, I could care less about the looks though, I just 
> don't need to start another bolt pattern in my parts bin.   I've ridden the 
> stuff though, very nice and stiff.  The front deraileur is tough to  
> adjust, but once you get it, it works amazingly well.
>
> With 105 groups going for about $400 shipped from England, its hard to not 
> buy some up.
>
> As for the STI levers themselves, they are the same form factor as the 
> Ultegra and Dura-Ace mechanicals.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Lungimsam  > wrote:
>
>> Just saw it this morning. 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-roadeo-wsf4.htm
>>
>> Not crazy about the crankset, but RBW sure does pick out nice looking and 
>> working stuff to put on their bikes. Stuff that doesn't break the bank, 
>> either, which is the best part. Sometimes when I am looking for parts I 
>> can't find something I like the looks of and I check the RBW site and they 
>> have something that hits the spot. Seems like the have a knack for getting 
>> their hands on nice stuff.
>>
>> If I had to get brifters, I'd like those 105's. They look very nice. I 
>> like that RBW pics nice stuff but not crazy expensive stuff. In fact, that 
>> stuff looks so good on that Roadeo that if I got a Roadeo I'd be torn 
>> between getting a brifter shifting set-up vs. friction Silver shifting set 
>> up. Partially because I'd want to give their fast-bike model a chance with 
>> a fast build, even though I love friction shifting and never really want to 
>> go back to brifters and indexing again.
>>
>> But that build just looks so light and fast and nice. 105 is 
>> reminiscent(sp?) of the original blue 'booyay build listed in the 
>> Rambouillet catalog, too.
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Paul RHUB, or possibly other hub

[Ryan Fleming]

those look pretty swanky:) I just saw red and gold-anodized on the 
site..but I see you can get silver or black for a little less $$

BTW was quoted $870 USD  by Rich at Rivendell for WI M15's on  Velocity 
 Dyad rims which seems pretty reasonable for a good set of handbuilt 
wheels. I'm glad you are doing  all this field testing , Mark!

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 2:55:34 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Ended up purchasing a White Industries CLD hub new from Aspire Velotech. 
> No longer on the hunt for a Paul 
>
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 2:28:51 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Hi there friends,
>>
>> I'm on the hunt for another Paul RHUB, which is Paul's discontinued rear 
>> hub. I put a 36h hub on my Atlantis a few months ago and it's been 
>> flawless. Looks great, sounds great, I'm happy. I'm putting together a 26+ 
>> bike now and I've got some polished Velocity Dually's on the way. I need a 
>> front and rear hub to go with it. I had a used pair of hubs arranged, but 
>> the deal just fell through as the seller decided to keep them. Darn! So...
>>
>> Anyone here have a silver (polished if possible) Rhub they'd consider 
>> selling? 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Jan's Appaloosa

[Ryan Fleming]

That is nice...you must be the champ of Harlequin bar taping

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 1:00:18 AM UTC-5, stonehog wrote:
>
> Pics of the build for my wife's new Appaloosa.  Tape in honor of the late 
> Prince.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskzHMauB
>
> Brian Hanson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where to buy bar-end shifters, advice on interesting derailleurs

[Ryan Fleming]

boy I woulda liked one of those XTR derailleurs ...doing XT 9-speed 
dura-ace 9-speed barends for mixte..I don't want anything exotic, just 
something that works. Don't really like the looks of the new XT derailleurs 
though. Mark A @Riv is going with a CX70 front for mixte

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 10:46:13 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Well, I ended up with two pairs of shifters and a derailleur.
>
> I bought a pair of Dura Ace 10-speed bar end shifters from Jenson USA - 
> Thanks Ron, the price was reasonable and they had lots of other stuff I 
> needed.
>
> But THEN... I scored a pair of 9-speed Dura Ace 7700 9-speed downtube 
> shifters for $20 locally. I've got a new 9-speed cassette and chain, as 
> well as some long reach tektro brakes sitting in the parts bin, and some 
> phil/velocity 650b wheels. All I need is a frame now, hah!
>
>
> As for the derailleur, I scored a XTR m952 9-speed derailleur for $60. Not 
> the cheapest considering a new XT 9 speed can be had for 75, but this is a 
> cool derailleur and doesn't look like a robot. I'm happy with how this all 
> turned out.
>
>
> All I need to complete this build now is a 119 Phil BB, seat post, and 
> front derailleur. 
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Kieran J 
> > wrote:
>
>> I did this as well, using the 7700 levers and the adapter washers from 
>> Riv. This was on Noodles, and then Albastaches. 
>>
>> I didn't like it in the end - the shifting wasn't as silky as a 
>> straight-up Shimano 9spd BE unit, more of a BRAPP! indexing action. And in 
>> the lowest gears on the Albas, the lever would be pointing upwards into my 
>> wrist. Gah!
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 11:44:29 AM UTC-4, Christopher Wiggins 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you've got some parts lying around something like this may be 
>>> possible.  I managed to make this work with a combination of Shimano and 
>>> Silver pod parts.  I think it was a Zen moment.  Hard to say if I could 
>>> recreate it or not.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where to buy bar-end shifters, advice on interesting derailleurs

[Ryan Fleming]

Your new bike looks wild...I will be most interested to see how it looks 
once you build it up,,,will be awesome, I'm sure. Steel?

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 2:57:42 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> It's made by Crust Bikes. They are going on sale any day now, but you can 
> email him for exact details at www.crustbikes.com
>
> They are available in a few lengths but only for 1 1/8". The only way to 
> get a threaded 1" version I am aware of is custom. Clockworks makes them. 
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:50 PM, ian m > 
> wrote:
>
>> Where did you find that stem? Been looking for one all over and worried 
>> I'll have to have one custom made!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where to buy bar-end shifters, advice on interesting derailleurs

[Ryan Fleming]

That 90's XTR  group was gorgeous. Maybe the new stuff is more whiz-bang 
but aesthetically, it  doesn't sing to me...new road  cranks especially 
look like an elephant's trunk. One thing I do like the looks of are the 
CX70 cantilever breakssilver would be nice but they are good looking in 
a minimalist way...and they work really well too which is the point in my 
opinion. I'll keep an eye out for your new bike...that stem is kinda neat 
looking

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 3:19:44 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> They are sweet hey? I got that off eBay, some guy in Quebec so the price 
> and shipping was reasonable. They seem to range from 30 (totally thrashed) 
> to 100 (pretty darn good looking). I'm a big fan of the look. Pretty 
> understated overall. 
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> boy I woulda liked one of those XTR derailleurs ...doing XT 9-speed 
>> dura-ace 9-speed barends for mixte..I don't want anything exotic, just 
>> something that works. Don't really like the looks of the new XT derailleurs 
>> though. Mark A @Riv is going with a CX70 front for mixte
>>
>> On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 10:46:13 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I ended up with two pairs of shifters and a derailleur.
>>>
>>> I bought a pair of Dura Ace 10-speed bar end shifters from Jenson USA - 
>>> Thanks Ron, the price was reasonable and they had lots of other stuff I 
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> But THEN... I scored a pair of 9-speed Dura Ace 7700 9-speed downtube 
>>> shifters for $20 locally. I've got a new 9-speed cassette and chain, as 
>>> well as some long reach tektro brakes sitting in the parts bin, and some 
>>> phil/velocity 650b wheels. All I need is a frame now, hah!
>>>
>>>
>>> As for the derailleur, I scored a XTR m952 9-speed derailleur for $60. 
>>> Not the cheapest considering a new XT 9 speed can be had for 75, but this 
>>> is a cool derailleur and doesn't look like a robot. I'm happy with how this 
>>> all turned out.
>>>
>>>
>>> All I need to complete this build now is a 119 Phil BB, seat post, and 
>>> front derailleur. 
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did this as well, using the 7700 levers and the adapter washers from 
>>>> Riv. This was on Noodles, and then Albastaches. 
>>>>
>>>> I didn't like it in the end - the shifting wasn't as silky as a 
>>>> straight-up Shimano 9spd BE unit, more of a BRAPP! indexing action. And in 
>>>> the lowest gears on the Albas, the lever would be pointing upwards into my 
>>>> wrist. Gah!
>>>>
>>>> KJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, May 11, 2016 at 11:44:29 AM UTC-4, Christopher Wiggins 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you've got some parts lying around something like this may be 
>>>>> possible.  I managed to make this work with a combination of Shimano and 
>>>>> Silver pod parts.  I think it was a Zen moment.  Hard to say if I could 
>>>>> recreate it or not.
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle repair?

[Ryan Fleming]

I think these guys might do repairs...nice folks

http://www.wallbike.com/http://www.wallbike.co

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 8:29:22 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
>
> I bent the rails on one of my Brooks B17 saddles.  I was fooling around, 
> hopping stuff, and my foot slipped off the pedal so I came down hard on one 
> side of the saddle.  
> My tookus is fine, but the saddle had a 10 to 20 degree slump to the 
> right, as seen from behind.  
>
> I bent the saddle back into alignment by hand, but now it has an annoying 
> "creak" from that side (when I pedal with my right leg).  I haven't closely 
> inspected it, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's the beginnings of a 
> stress crack in the rail where it was bent and then bent back.
>
> Do any list members do saddle repair?  Or know of a shop that does?  It 
> looks like I can order a new rail assembly 
> 
>  
> for about a quarter of the cost of a new B17, but the repair would require 
> someone to drill out the rivets and replace them.
>
> This is a relatively-new B17 (~2000 miles on it) so I'd prefer to keep it 
> going than to pitch it and start fresh.
>
> Thanks for your advice,
>
> Tim Gavin
> Cedar Rapids, IA
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[RBW] Re: Need your advice on headsets

[Ryan Fleming]

YupCK headsets do require some prep and special tools...but then it's 
pretty much set and forget

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:14:42 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> +1 on the Chris King/Frame prep requirement. I just had the head tube on a 
> new frame faced in anticipation of a King headset.
>
> I've had good luck with the lower-end Cane Creek models as well.
>
> On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 10:07:56 AM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:
>>
>> The headset on my Toyo-built Atlantis would never stay tight, so the LBS 
>> machined the headtube when they tore it down to reapply Frame Saver. It 
>> still didn't stay tight, so another LBS added a spacer because the headset 
>> apparently ran out of threads on the fork. If I were to replace the 
>> headset, I would go with the needle bearing Tange.
>>
>> On Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 11:06:26 PM UTC-5, Sean on Bike wrote:
>>>
>>> My Hilsen needs a new 1 inch threaded headset because I apparently rode 
>>> with it too loose for the past 5 years and damaged the race, according to 
>>> trusted LBS. The headset came with the frame I purchased from Rivendell and 
>>> LBS could't determine what brand it is. Something cheap, I'm sure.
>>>
>>> I have essentially two options, a $30 Tange or equivalent, or a $150 
>>> Cane Creek or Chris King. Headsets are one thing I have no clue about as 
>>> they all seem the same to me. The best option appears to be a needle 
>>> bearing Tange selling for $80 at rivbike,com but it's out of stock. 
>>>
>>> I would appreciate your experience and recommendations regarding a 
>>> dependable, affordable replacement. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sean in Eden Prairie 
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Near mint Rambouillet -- how much?

[Ryan Fleming]

Hmmm not surprised that those upgrades cost $300. The Grand Cru brakes and 
the TRP levers are an excellent combo though...I did this for my Riv Road. 
Trying some Compass tires on it this year...umm I think Stampede 
pass...little too tight a squeeze for 38mm

It's a really  nice bike in nice shape; wonder if it would fetch more minus 
the rack and basket which you could sell separately. I'm assuming that this 
is a necessary  but not a desired sale.

Good luck

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 3:32:13 PM UTC-5, KTY wrote:
>
> I'm testing the waters for a sale of my lovely Ram and curious what the 
> experts think it's worth. Details:
>
> *Near mint blue Rambouillet, 60cm*
>
> Build: Usual Riv (Sugino triple, Shimano 105, Mavic MA2 wheels)
>
> *My upgrades: *
>
> VO Grand Cru long reach brakes (the stiffest long reach brakes around -- 
> really!)
> Tektro TRP levers
> Nitto noodle bars with Silver shifters
> Nitto Campee front rack with detachable low rider racks
> Compass Barlow Pass extra-light tires (measures 38 -- these are amazing 
> tires)
> New chain and cassette 
>
> Thoughts? Frame has a couple of very small marks but otherwise the paint 
> is in excellent shape. Picture below. 
>
> Thanks,
> Kolby
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Where to buy bar-end shifters, advice on interesting derailleurs

[Ryan Fleming]

you're gonna get your bike going a lot faster than I'll get my mixteI 
can't wait to see this built up!  I really dig that stem and the colour 
sounds neat

you are going to frame-saver it.right?

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 2:00:59 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> It's a Crust DFL, a 26"x3" dirt touring bike. Pretty cool bike I'd say. It 
> can also run 650Bx2.5" tires, possibly even 2.8 from what I've seen online. 
>
> The frame is steel with a very interesting finish. In the dark, it looks 
> black. But when the light hits it, blue and purple flakes in the paint 
> start glittering and turn it into a bit of a disco ball. 
>
> I'm running it with SON28/White Industries CLD hubs, Velocity Dually 
> polished rims, Surly Knard 3" tires. White Ind. cranks, XTR m952 rear 
> derailleur, unknown front, dura ace bar end shifters, Soma Portola dirt 
> drops (or June Bugs if I can find some, as I need a 31.8 bar), and a 
> LD/Gooseneck stem. I'm having Porcelain Rocket make me a custom frame bag 
> to match the Carradice Camper bag I've got, and plan to get a second 
> Carradice so I have matching bags front/rear.
>
> This will not in any way be replacing my Atlantis. If anything, I think it 
> will complement it. I love my Atlantis and enjoy running it with fan tires, 
> but the places I've been taking it are getting rougher and swampier it 
> seems. I wanted something with a bigger footprint, more float (for winter 
> in the snow), lighter (no big racks or panniers. It's really hard to lift 
> my Atlantis over fallen trees or drag it up steep embankments) and the 
> addition of a few Riv-Condemned modern toucheslike disc brakes. 
>
> The Atlantis will probably have fenders and the fattest slicks I can find 
> on a more permanent basis, with the real rough stuff saved for this new 
> bike.
>
> 
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm A. Homer Hilsen on OC/San Diego Craigslist

[Ryan Fleming]

Not that that's a bad thing...what's the purpose of that large end cap 
(don't know what else to call it) on the drivetrain side? Just curious

On Monday, May 16, 2016 at 11:13:54 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> Looks to be bog standard RBW livery, all the way down to the Rich-built 
> wheels.
>
> Not mine, no affiliation, etc. 
>
> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5586943591.html
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] Re: Santa Fe (half) century?

[Ryan Fleming]

FWIW from a flatlander from the windy prairies, given that you still ride 
fixed a lot and you have some gears to play with , you might be tired but 
you'll probably be OK I suspect. It sounds like you're very consistent and 
that's the key. I think the rule of thumb is if you can do at least 60% of 
the distance you'll be fine

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 3:19:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Has anyone onlist done the half century? If so, can you tell me how steep 
> and how difficult it is? I am just *thinking* that I might try it this 
> Sunday.
>
> 10 years ago, 50 hilly miles on a 75" fixed gear wasn't that big of a 
> deal, but I've not done more than 20-30 mile rides for a long while, and I 
> was rather slack about riding in April. And, I'm 61 -- not that much older 
> riders can't do much more than this, but I'm not particularly strong.
>
> If I do try it, I'll have the new S3X hub, geared either:
>
> 46X15: 76/57/48
> 46X16: 71/53/44
> 46X17: 67/50/42.
>
> I'm tempted to use the 46X16. One thing that I can do is climb in highish 
> gears; that's not a problem. What worries me is the fatigue after about 
> 30-35 miles. 
>
> Comments?
>
> Patrick Moore, who had to "warm up" today with 4 miles east in a 70" gear 
> against an E wind gusting to 35, in otherwise pleasant ABQ, NM.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 54cm A. Homer Hilsen on OC/San Diego Craigslist

[Ryan Fleming]

what a neat thing! I had no idea...thanks!

On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 1:08:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Ryan
>
> That looks like a Paul Components Gino Mount:
>
>
> <http://bicycletimesmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/bicycle-times-paul-components-review.jpg>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:00:15 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> Not that that's a bad thing...what's the purpose of that large end cap 
>> (don't know what else to call it) on the drivetrain side? Just curious
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] wtb - size 53 Atlantis

[Ryan Fleming]

yeah that's what I think...my custom mixte with pretty much top-shelf parts 
(no racks or bags) but $3500 for the frame alone is just over $6400 US. The 
Atlantis shown is a nice build and the racks are Nitto and expensive, but 
the frameset is $2300 and I don't see enough to justify $4700 in parts and 
labour. I think $3500 is a tad high

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 10:37:35 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That's a nice bike, but at that price you might as well grab a new one 
> from Riv. The contention in the ad of picking it up from "Walnut Hill" for 
> almost $7000 is a bit much. 

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Re: [RBW] How to keep your bike from getting stolen.

[Ryan Fleming]

or depending where I'm going I take  a stealth bike

On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 11:28:07 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Tim says it all well. I lock my custom Rivendells up, sometimes, with just 
> a cheap cable -- but these are at locations where I am *pretty* sure the 
> bikes would still be outside when I returned even if they had not been 
> locked.
>
> For other relatively safe but not quite as well known locations, I'll use 
> a good U lock and a cable, or else a lock and chain consisting of Abus 
> padlock and towing chain.
>
> For unknown locations, or locations that I know are dangerous, I don't 
> leave them outside at all. Several local stores are used to having me wheel 
> my bikes down the aisles.
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Tim Gavin  > wrote:
>
>> Chief-
>>
>> Where do you intend to lock up your bike?  Is there a lot of crime in the 
>> area?  Do you see lots of other bikes locked up?  Do you see any locked-up 
>> bikes that have been victimized (missing wheels, missing seats, bent and 
>> broken)? 
>>
>> The crime factor makes a big difference in the lock you choose.  I.e, 
>> know your enemy so you can oppose him.  In a high-theft area, anti-theft 
>> skewers and bolts are a good idea (to keep your wheels and saddle), and a 
>> strong lock (or two) is essential.  A strong, heavy lock will resist even 
>> power grinders (for a time), but will weigh a couple pounds.
>>
>> In a low-theft area, you just need to secure your bike enough so it can't 
>> be walked off by an opportunist.  A light cable lock may be enough.
>>
>>
>> From the theft tests I've seen, hardened steel chains with burly links 
>> and high-quality U-locks are both pretty resistant to power grinders and 
>> saws.  But, a U-lock can be defeated with a hydraulic bottle jack, so 
>> mega-chains seem to be the most theft-resistant.  
>>
>> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 9:12 AM, bluebirdonabicycle <
>> gentleman...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>
>>> Apologize if this is a dumb question, but
>>> Don"t laugh. Im just getting back into riding a bicycle. Im an older 
>>> fellow. I will be getting an expensive Riv.
>>> My main concern is it getting stolen while parked outside a store, 
>>> restaurant, or who knows where.
>>> Other than just quit worrying, Are there any suggestions that any of you 
>>> (who have the same concerns) can offer?
>>> Im not up on possible new technology, so other than chaining it up to 
>>> death, Good advice is needed.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much. Chief
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Re: [RBW] Re: I'm in on the Fat-Lantis club

[Ryan Fleming]

S-Works Renegade and looks like Gilles Berthoud fenders/mudflaps to 
me...interesting crank...is that a TA Carmina  crank? Looks nice

On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 10:58:54 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Nice! I can't quite make it out - what tire/fender combo is that? I'd love 
> some 2"ish tires and fenders on my 58cm atlantis. I'm sure I could fit 2.1 
> thunder burts with fenders if I had 60mm fenders. But I only have 50's :(
>
> These bikes just look so right with chubby tires. 
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Keith Muller  > wrote:
>
>> So I finally finished up my Atlantis!  Waiting on my Seatpost and leather 
>> bar tape, but it is more than rideable now.  Managed to stuff some 1.95 
>> tires with fenders.  Took some work, but everything spins smooth now.  
>> Can't wait to put a few miles on it.  Now I'm on to an Appaloosa build.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Not to hijack this thread or anything, Rene, but was just wondering who is 
building your new 650B custom...inquiring minds want to know

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:41:30 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> That gear combo offers the widest range, while still complying with the 
> maximum 16 tooth difference between the rings. I'll have to see how it 
> goes, and whether I find any need to fine tune the setup, perhaps to a 
> 26/40, 24/38 or 24/40.
>
> René 
>
> On Sunday, May 29, 2016, Tim Butterfield  > wrote:
>
>> René,
>> Thanks for that information.  That René Herse crankset sure looks nice.  
>> What you described is kind of like this:
>>
>>
>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=26,42&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2200&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH
>>
>> Is this right?  From what Steve had mentioned before, I interpreted (or 
>> misinterpreted) something like this as being too large of a jump between 
>> chainrings.Is the 26/42 not too wide of a gap?  For some reason, I 
>> thought they should be closer together.  
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 3:17 PM, René Sterental  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I still have a hard time understanding all these gearing calculations, 
>>> so here is what works for me, FWIW:
>>> - On my stock triple Sugino crankset provided Homer and Atlantis, I've 
>>> gone to the 12-36 9 speed cassette and never use the large 46 ring, except 
>>> on downhills. On the Betty stock 26/40 crankset with the 650b 38mm tires, I 
>>> have a 9 speed 12-34 and that has been perfect for all the hills around 
>>> Palo Alto. Therefore, I modified the Hunqapillar after it's conversion to 
>>> low trail with a 24/38 crankset that proved to be "perfect for me" and I 
>>> loved the down tube shifting for just two rings on the front, vs. having to 
>>> always look down to position the FD correctly for the middle ring on the 
>>> triple setups. That's why I'm about to switch that crankset to the 
>>> Atlantis. Since the Homer is going to go to my son, so it stays in the 
>>> family, for now at least, I'll leave it as is, with the triple and the 
>>> 12-36. My son will use the large front ring a lot more than I will, at 
>>> least until I lose the remaining 40+ lbs.
>>>
>>> On my upcoming 650b custom, I chose to go 2x10 with a 26/42 René Herse 
>>> crankset and 11-36 in the back. The Betty was very influential in choosing 
>>> this setup.
>>>
>>> On my Bike Friday, I have just removed the Shimano triple (Tiagra) and 
>>> switched to a 2x10 setup: René Herse 36/52 with 11/36 in the back. I'm 
>>> still playing with this setup as there is a bit of rubbing when pedaling 
>>> with the chain on the large ring between the chain and the derailleur. I 
>>> believe the ring is flat, so the flex comes from the flexible frame, but I 
>>> have yet to troubleshoot it. There was no rubbing with the 9 speed triple, 
>>> so more investigation is needed. BTW, the RH crankset and rings are just 
>>> really beautiful and well made. Perhaps one will make it to the Atlantis as 
>>> well. I like the design, the principles behind it and the fact I can get 
>>> any ring combination I may ever want. And so far, I think the 171 crank 
>>> length is really suited for my higher cadence pedaling style, as well as 
>>> how I have been positioning myself on the bike.
>>>
>>> René (still confused about gearing ratios but loving it!)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I should have added that one purpose of my gearing setups is to limit 
 most riding to one ring.

 As Steve indicated, you want to consider not only range, but also:

 Cruising (ie, most riding and most wear) chainline
 Ease of shifting

 as well as:
 Cruising gear spacing
 Size of most used cogs (efficiency, wear)
 Type of derailleurs
 Q factor
 Availability of components
 And even crank length -- I find that I gear up 1 tooth with 175s 
 compared to 170s.

 Patrick "nothing is simple if you make it complicated" Moore, who 
 prefers the simplicity of single cogs on his road bikes.


 On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Range is as personal as saddles or crank length, since depends on 
> pedaling style as well as fitness. I'm not particularly fit by any means, 
> but a sub 20" gear would simply gather dust on my bikes. I *would* use 
> an 18" gear on a bike set up for steep singletrack at altitude, and I 
> daresay, for loaded touring, but not for anything around town.
>
> I live in rolling terrain and often carry (rear) loads, and find that 
> even with a 30 lb load, a longish hill, and a headwind, I'd not want 
> anything lower than a gear in the low 20s, particularly if more extreme 
> gears at the ends interferes with closer ratios in the middle. Likewise, 
> I'd never use a 98" gear either, and find a range between say 85" and 30" 
> fine for the

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Tim


Inside storage is the best, but one thing to do if Riv does not already do 
this (and I believe they probably still do but you could discuss this with 
them) is to  ask about rust-proofing your frame... and whatever they use 
(Boeshield, Frame-saver, etc...many good products out there) know that 
especially if your bike lives outdoors , the process will have to be 
repeated  on some sort of regular schedule which depends on what your 
weather and typical riding conditions are  like. There WAS a video on the 
Riv site for how to do this (for the next time you have to do this) but the 
link is inactive...may be off You tube; I think the good folks at Riv 
indicated some of their videos moved.

Anyway , Riv's instructional videos are a pleasure to watch because it's 
really fun watching people who are superb at what they do , do what they do.

Sounds like your Homer will be special! You won't go wrong with a Rivendell 
and there's something for everyone, I think



On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 2:57:31 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> The RBW site is certainly wise to recommend inside storage, but Grant has 
> also stated many times in relation to beausage and such (paraphrases): 
> "Bicycles are outdoor products. You're going to scratch them and wear out 
> parts."
>
> This is a thing I try to remember because I tend to be very OCD about my 
> bikes getting weathered, and it's a highly silly thing to worry about. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

you certainly have a lot of terrific custom  choices in California...mine 
will be a 650B  custom mixte from RivI just really like them and they 
suit my tastes and riding style...but Steve Rex and other builders sure 
make great-looking bikes too...looking forward to your report

On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 4:35:33 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Steve Rex in Sacramento. Frame with polished lugs and custom geometry, 
> fork with 35mm low trail, custom steel racks, front with removable low 
> riders and rear integrated with the fenders. After another mentally painful 
> struggle, decided on silver paint after almost going with ivory. 
>
> Should be at the painter now as I have a very loose promise date of mid 
> June, which I'm expecting will slip to end of June. 
>
> I'll post a detailed report when I get it and finish building it. After 
> all, it's the result of the long journey that starters when I bought my 
> Homer in September of 2009. 
>
> René
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2016, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> Not to hijack this thread or anything, Rene, but was just wondering who 
>> is building your new 650B custom...inquiring minds want to know
>>
>> On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:41:30 AM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>> That gear combo offers the widest range, while still complying with the 
>>> maximum 16 tooth difference between the rings. I'll have to see how it 
>>> goes, and whether I find any need to fine tune the setup, perhaps to a 
>>> 26/40, 24/38 or 24/40.
>>>
>>> René 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016, Tim Butterfield  wrote:
>>>
>>>> René,
>>>> Thanks for that information.  That René Herse crankset sure looks 
>>>> nice.  What you described is kind of like this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=26,42&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2200&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH
>>>>
>>>> Is this right?  From what Steve had mentioned before, I interpreted (or 
>>>> misinterpreted) something like this as being too large of a jump between 
>>>> chainrings.Is the 26/42 not too wide of a gap?  For some reason, I 
>>>> thought they should be closer together.  
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 3:17 PM, René Sterental  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I still have a hard time understanding all these gearing calculations, 
>>>>> so here is what works for me, FWIW:
>>>>> - On my stock triple Sugino crankset provided Homer and Atlantis, I've 
>>>>> gone to the 12-36 9 speed cassette and never use the large 46 ring, 
>>>>> except 
>>>>> on downhills. On the Betty stock 26/40 crankset with the 650b 38mm tires, 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> have a 9 speed 12-34 and that has been perfect for all the hills around 
>>>>> Palo Alto. Therefore, I modified the Hunqapillar after it's conversion to 
>>>>> low trail with a 24/38 crankset that proved to be "perfect for me" and I 
>>>>> loved the down tube shifting for just two rings on the front, vs. having 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> always look down to position the FD correctly for the middle ring on the 
>>>>> triple setups. That's why I'm about to switch that crankset to the 
>>>>> Atlantis. Since the Homer is going to go to my son, so it stays in the 
>>>>> family, for now at least, I'll leave it as is, with the triple and the 
>>>>> 12-36. My son will use the large front ring a lot more than I will, at 
>>>>> least until I lose the remaining 40+ lbs.
>>>>>
>>>>> On my upcoming 650b custom, I chose to go 2x10 with a 26/42 René Herse 
>>>>> crankset and 11-36 in the back. The Betty was very influential in 
>>>>> choosing 
>>>>> this setup.
>>>>>
>>>>> On my Bike Friday, I have just removed the Shimano triple (Tiagra) and 
>>>>> switched to a 2x10 setup: René Herse 36/52 with 11/36 in the back. I'm 
>>>>> still playing with this setup as there is a bit of rubbing when pedaling 
>>>>> with the chain on the large ring between the chain and the derailleur. I 
>>>>> believe the ring is flat, so the flex comes from the flexible frame, but 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> have yet to troubleshoot it. There was no rubbing 

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi James

That is a real beauty! What colour? 

Ryan...trying to nail the colour for her custom mixte :)

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-5, James Chang wrote:
>
> The homer is just a great all around bike.  Can be fast and can be plenty 
> stout for general riding.  I've got a custom AHH (with center-pull bosses 
> and JB paint) and just love it.  Can't imagine ever selling it.  Sure I 
> lust after something with lighter tubing and maybe even low trail but 
> whenever I hop on my Riv all that noise goes away.
>
> Here is my a couple of shots of my Riv.  The photo with the saddle bag is 
> taken two weeks ago after finishing a 200K ACP ride.
>
> James CHANG
> Taipei, Taiwan
> [image: image2.JPG][image: image3.JPG][image: image4.JPG]
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Tim Butterfield  > wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>> I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra.  I still 
>> plan to get the Homer.  I don't ever want to look back and wish I had.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard > > wrote:
>>
>>> I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping 
>>> toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the 
>>> difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer 
>>> models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my money, 
>>> I'm paying more for looks. I think the aesthetic detail differences between 
>>> the two are more pronounced than the ride, and I'll pay for "more pretty". 
>>> Get the Homer..you're not in the market for a Sam.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

I know I sound like a copy-cat but that's what I'm going with :) 

I'll tell you guys why:

My favourite season is autumn when the leaves turn

I have a metallic green A/R from 1997 , a harvest gold 2001 Riv road  an 
orange 1993 X0-1 and now I'm adding a maroon Riv mixte in keeping with a 
fall palette. Sounds daft, I know , but there you are.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:51:17 PM UTC-5, James Chang wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> The custom is a wine/maroon color.  Looks horrible on paper but wonderful 
> on a bike.  Joe Bell knows his stuff.
>
> James Chang
> Taipei, Taiwan
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> Hi James
>>
>> That is a real beauty! What colour? 
>>
>> Ryan...trying to nail the colour for her custom mixte :)
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-5, James Chang wrote:
>>>
>>> The homer is just a great all around bike.  Can be fast and can be 
>>> plenty stout for general riding.  I've got a custom AHH (with center-pull 
>>> bosses and JB paint) and just love it.  Can't imagine ever selling it.  
>>> Sure I lust after something with lighter tubing and maybe even low trail 
>>> but whenever I hop on my Riv all that noise goes away.
>>>
>>> Here is my a couple of shots of my Riv.  The photo with the saddle bag 
>>> is taken two weeks ago after finishing a 200K ACP ride.
>>>
>>> James CHANG
>>> Taipei, Taiwan
>>> [image: image2.JPG][image: image3.JPG][image: image4.JPG]
>>> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Tim Butterfield  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>> I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra.  I still 
>>>> plan to get the Homer.  I don't ever want to look back and wish I had.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping 
>>>>> toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the 
>>>>> difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer 
>>>>> models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my 
>>>>> money, 
>>>>> I'm paying more for looks. I think the aesthetic detail differences 
>>>>> between 
>>>>> the two are more pronounced than the ride, and I'll pay for "more 
>>>>> pretty". 
>>>>> Get the Homer..you're not in the market for a Sam.
>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Ryan Fleming]

Not ready to go there yet, but it's something to consider especially that 
I'm on the tail end of the boomer generation (born in 1952) where health 
issues can start...arthritis, heart issues...whatever and it looks like you 
can turn the assist off. If it prolongs your bike-riding life then I say go 
for it. I've seen a few electric/gas-powered assist McGivered  bikes in 
Winnipeg. Joe, I think you did a very interesting thing there, actually. 
 Yes, you should ride it to Walnut Creek and show it off! 

On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 4:04:43 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm a current motorhead (I love auto racing and my FIAT Abarth) and ex 
> motorcycle rider, so this clicks several boxes for me. I don't consider 
> eCLEM a replacement for my non-assist bikes; it's kind of a different 
> thing, like a really light, low-power motorbike you can pedal. 
>
> I know Grant had no intention of accomplishing it, but his long-chainstay 
> design and stable handling is a fabulous platform for electric assist. I 
> did a very hilly ride today, mostly with the assist at low levels so I was 
> still doing some of the work, and it was an absurd amount of fun. 
>
> I'm not here to convert anyone to electric, I'm just showing it because 
> it's on my Riv, and this is where people show their Rivs. Am I the first to 
> try it? I know Dave at RBW intends to do one eventually, but I don't think 
> he's gotten to it yet. I should ride it to Walnut Creek and show him!
>
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[RBW] Re: Gravel & Grind bike and gear Yard Sale, July 9th and 10th

[Ryan Fleming]

Looks like one of the employees has a nicely kitted out X0-1 and there are 
some other nice shop rat steel bikes too in their gallery...if you're 
local, I bet it's worth checking out

On Wednesday, June 1, 2016 at 10:39:16 AM UTC-5, Gravel & Grind Espresso + 
Bikes wrote:
>
> Thought members might be interested in a bike and gear yard sale Gravel & 
> Grind has coming up on July 9th and 10th. Steel frames, new and old, 
> racks, tires, bars (Nitto and otherwise), stems, headsets, bags, complete 
> bikes, coffee outside gear... All we do is sell steel frames and practical 
> bikes, so it's all pretty much on the Riv program, plus we're a Riv dealer, 
> so we'll have a demo fleet of Joe Apps to check out, Sams, and a few other 
> models. 
> Event details here: https://www.facebook.com/events/314664182198437/
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Tim, I'm having Rivendell build my mixte custom and ordering Rich 
Lesnick-built wheels. Watch some of their videos on bike-building, 
packing,etc. and you'll understand why. My partner has built my other bikes 
for me but lack of proper work space and other things made me go for Riv 
building it. In Winnipeg I sometimes find local LBS service 
inconsistent...particularly if I want a build with parts they don't 
stock...I'd say I'm underwhelmed with their service in that regard but I 
guess it's a PITA for them, so I won't complain too much

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 9:53:39 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Your three Riv cons are either non-existant or very minimal, though I 
> certainly has similar concerns when I ordered my Hunqapillar. 
>
> "Con - Unless a part is RBW stock, I may have to buy most parts myself and 
> ship it to them"
> As others have said, a non-issue. Riv can get anything. Though, as they 
> say, they reserve the right not to if it makes no sense whatsoever (and 
> they'll talk with you about why).
>
> "Con - RBW cannot ensure my fit of the assembled bike"
> Actually they do. They stand behind the fit. Again, talk with them. This 
> is what they do and they do it very well.
>
> "Con - I cannot try out different stem lengths as easily"
> Before purchase? No. But you can dial things in pretty easily via purchase 
> of used stems here or new from Riv. No biggie.
>
> Tim, you said to Patrick of the Moore: "Your comments on Rivendell and 
> Grant along with some prior comments (another Patrick?) have my brain 
> teasing with the idea of letting Grant pick components and build it just to 
> see what he comes up with."
> Yes, you can't through a cat 'round these parts without hitting a Patrick 
> of one type or other. Grin. I stand by my recommendation to let Grant give 
> you the full Riv. build. You have years to tweek from there. And you may 
> find some of your assumptions of what you want/need vanish when your ride 
> what Riv. built for you.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 9:15:13 PM UTC-6, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>> I have some more build questions, though not component related this time.
>>
>> What are the pros and cons of having RBW build the bike instead of having 
>> that done at the LBS?  Some factors I have thought about include:
>>
>> RBW
>> Pro - RBW knows the frame best and what would work on it
>> Con - Unless a part is RBW stock, I may have to buy most parts myself and 
>> ship it to them
>> Con - RBW cannot ensure my fit of the assembled bike
>> Con - I cannot try out different stem lengths as easily
>>
>> LBS
>> Pro - Can ensure everything works together
>> Pro - Can order all/most parts themselves
>> Pro - Can ensure fit of assembled bike
>> Pro - Can test different stem lengths to check fit
>> Con - Not likely to be as familiar with building a Homer
>> Con - May have a preference for 'common' racer oriented gear
>> Con - May not be as willing to track down non-current (older) new parts
>>
>> I spoke with one LBS who said they could build it.  But, after a couple 
>> of emails to them, I have not yet received a reply, though it has been 
>> several days.  That lowers my trust factor in them.  So, I either need to 
>> find a different LBS or have it built by RBW.  I'm not sure which way might 
>> be preferable.
>>
>> What other factors would weigh for or against either RBW or the LBS doing 
>> the build?  If you know of an LBS in NW WA that you would recommend to do 
>> the build, please share that also.  I'm an hour and a half north of 
>> Seattle, but could travel a little if needed.  Another option may be to 
>> travel the ten hour round trip south to Portland to Rivelo, though I would 
>> prefer not to have to travel that far if a qualified LBS is right near to 
>> me.  I am willing to do that if it is the best option.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Tim Butterfield  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time.  I 
>>> first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and 
>>> sometimes lurker since then.  But, I had not made the commitment and 
>>> purchased a Riv.  The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando.  That 
>>> was sort of rivish.  
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423
>>>
>>> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort 
>>> using it the way it should have been.  That bike was sold before I left 
>>> Chicago to live full-time in an RV.  Once we decided to settle in 
>>> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp, 
>>> definitely not rivish.  
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428
>>>
>>> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the 
>>> real thing.  I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer 
>>> Hilsen.  I like the idea of the liveliness and sportin

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Yupsame. This is my 3rd Riv. The buying experience has been an absolute 
pleasure; Grant and company have been most gracious and accommodating and 
have never tried to upsell me.  They  have been willing to go off the 
standard inventory on my behalf. I can't say enough good things about them. 

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 11:32:36 AM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Tim:
>
> My experience was all by telephone phone, and so long ago I do not recall 
> who I worked with.  At least 2 people, IIRC.  I did not speak to Grant.  
> Part of the process was my giving them the dimensions of seat height, 
> handlebar, stem, etc., on my existing bike.  Since I was comfortable on 
> that one, they were able to size me correctly.  Now that I think about it, 
> the stem is the same one that came on the bike from Rivendell.  They have 
> such a depth of experience in fitting riders remotely that I would feel 
> comfortable they'd get it right.  As to components, take a look at their 
> standard build kits on the website.
>
> Just thought of another pro to getting it from Riv:  You get the 
> excitement of receiving this big box with a shiny new bicycle inside.  Sort 
> of like Christmas when you were 10.
>
> dougP  
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 10:51:33 PM UTC-7, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>
>> Doug,
>> Thanks for that information.  Should I email grant directly on picking 
>> things or go through Roman or someone else?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> TIm
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:27 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>
>>> Tim:
>>>
>>> A huge pro is number one on your list:  RBW knows the bike.  Their 
>>> standard build kits have been developed over time and are an excellent 
>>> value.  They are also willing to change components if you have something 
>>> else you'd prefer, and they'll advise you if they think a change is 
>>> unwise.  
>>>
>>> Fit is all important and your concern is valid.  However, Riv's sizing 
>>> system works for the bulk of the population.  I'd hazard a guess that if 
>>> you're on anything from 50 to 64 cm Rivendell will be able to size it 
>>> right.  Very tall and very short people can be difficult to fit but most of 
>>> the rest of us can ride a standard frame.  
>>>
>>> When I bought my Atlantis, we had several phone conversations & did the 
>>> PBH measurement, talked about what I was riding & what I was looking for, 
>>> and went thru the component list.  When the Big Box arrived (they do a 
>>> wonderful job of packing), it was the first time I'd ever seen a Rivendell 
>>> in person.  Within a short time, I'd finished the assembly & was out the 
>>> door.  With a few minor adjustments (seat height, etc.), within a couple of 
>>> miles I knew this bike fit & rode better than any other bike I'd owned.  
>>>
>>> IMHO & experience you can trust Riv to deliver a bike that will fit well 
>>> & work correctly.  Worked for me.  
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2016 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-7, Tim Butterfield wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I have some more build questions, though not component related this 
 time.

 What are the pros and cons of having RBW build the bike instead of 
 having that done at the LBS?  Some factors I have thought about include:

 RBW
 Pro - RBW knows the frame best and what would work on it
 Con - Unless a part is RBW stock, I may have to buy most parts myself 
 and ship it to them
 Con - RBW cannot ensure my fit of the assembled bike
 Con - I cannot try out different stem lengths as easily

 LBS
 Pro - Can ensure everything works together
 Pro - Can order all/most parts themselves
 Pro - Can ensure fit of assembled bike
 Pro - Can test different stem lengths to check fit
 Con - Not likely to be as familiar with building a Homer
 Con - May have a preference for 'common' racer oriented gear
 Con - May not be as willing to track down non-current (older) new parts

 I spoke with one LBS who said they could build it.  But, after a couple 
 of emails to them, I have not yet received a reply, though it has been 
 several days.  That lowers my trust factor in them.  So, I either need to 
 find a different LBS or have it built by RBW.  I'm not sure which way 
 might 
 be preferable.

 What other factors would weigh for or against either RBW or the LBS 
 doing the build?  If you know of an LBS in NW WA that you would recommend 
 to do the build, please share that also.  I'm an hour and a half north of 
 Seattle, but could travel a little if needed.  Another option may be to 
 travel the ten hour round trip south to Portland to Rivelo, though I would 
 prefer not to have to travel that far if a qualified LBS is right near to 
 me.  I am willing to do that if it is the best option.

 Thanks.

 Tim


 On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Tim Butterfield  
 wrote:

> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a lo

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv - my mixte build list

[Ryan Fleming]

If you scroll through Rivendell images and posts you'll get lots of good 
ideasif you're interested here is what Mark, Grant and I came up with 
for my mixte...which I want painted in burgundy metallic. Not exactly sure 
when the bike will land, but I'm willing to wait. My goal was great 
handling , reasonably light , mostly top-notch parts commensurate with the 
quality of the frame. Mark and Grant were very helpful as always and I feel 
it's a win-win for me and Rivendell. 




On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 3:15:51 PM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> Will,
> Thanks for the head's up.  I guess that is something that I will need to 
> discuss with them before it gets too far along in the queue change.  I want 
> deluxe.  So, I'll have to ask them about posts and Paul's.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Will > 
> wrote:
>
>> Did you get the optional center pull brake braze-on posts... or going 
>> with sidepulls? If you're going the de-luxe route, those posts and a set of 
>> Pauls would be rather serious. 
>>
>> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 2:01:41 PM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>>
>>> With so many following along with this build, I wanted to post an update.
>>>
>>> My A Homer Hilsen, size 57, in standard blue, is on order and the 
>>> deposit has been paid.  Now, I just need to get with someone there to plan 
>>> out the build while I wait the two to three months for the frame to be 
>>> ready.  Once the date firms up, I will decide on whether to ship it or pick 
>>> it up in person.  Though arduous, doing the latter is quite tempting.
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone.  Your assistance getting to this point has been 
>>> invaluable.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Tim Butterfield  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time.  I 
 first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and 
 sometimes lurker since then.  But, I had not made the commitment and 
 purchased a Riv.  The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando.  
 That 
 was sort of rivish.  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423

 Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort 
 using it the way it should have been.  That bike was sold before I left 
 Chicago to live full-time in an RV.  Once we decided to settle in 
 Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp, 
 definitely not rivish.  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428

 It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the 
 real thing.  I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer 
 Hilsen.  I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the Roadeo, 
 but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also.  With my weight at 
 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead of 
 the Roadeo.  I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my 
 abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks 
 without having to change frames.

 So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two 
 mentioned.  My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it.  My Rando was 
 more modern with the 105 setup.  The AWOL was definitely modern with discs 
 and SRAM setup.  But, I'm not tied to that.  Though I haven't used it 
 much, 
 I like the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters.  It 
 looks clean and simple.  I'm just not sure what it's like to live with.  I 
 expect that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it.  But, 
 using DT shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would work 
 with an 11-speed I could have instead.  I'm trying to consider the pros 
 and 
 cons of each.

 With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV.  Some 
 RVs have sufficient inside storage for a bike.  Mine doesn't.

 My questions to the group are these:  As I am not yet doing longer 
 distances, are there still benefits to the more traditional setups?  If I 
 pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have provided?  Are 
 there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a Riv 
 locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL?  I'm doubtful of that, but 
 don't want to mistreat it either.  Any thing else I should consider?

 Thanks for any advice you have.

 Tim

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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Tim,

295.00 and note that they are recommended for the Homer you are 
contemplating

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/brcp2.htm 

You can have your choice of finishes...anodized or polished; I went with 
the polished ones

Gotta say, it's sure to be a special bike..one of the most fun things is 
coming up with the build. I think Riv's stock build kits and now OEM parts 
on Appaloosas , Sams and Clems  are smart and cost-effective and it would 
be hard to go wrong with them...but it's fun picking parts

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 5:03:28 PM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> I have requested the change for Paul's centerpull brakes, which has a bit 
> of an up charge.  I'll find out what that is next week when I hear back 
> from Roman.  I was given a caveat with them.  Inserting the 700x38 Barlow 
> Pass tires I was planning on needs to be done with the tire only partially 
> inflated as they will not fit when fully inflated.  The tire would then 
> need to be fully inflated once mounted on the bike.  It's not a big issue, 
> but something to be aware of and remember.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Tim Butterfield  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for confirming.  I'll be sure to request that for my build.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Steve Palincsar > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/03/2016 05:09 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>>
 Steve,
 Given the squealing, would you do it again or get something different 
 next time?

>>>
>>> I'd happily do it again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Lake Tahoe 72 mile ride succesfully completed!

[Ryan Fleming]

Congratulations Renegood for you. You should feel proud. Pictures please

My longest ride this year so far was yesterday for a local charity on 
Sunday , but only 72 km with missed cues out  on a circular route out to 
 Ste Adolphe and back...official distance was 65 km but, directionally 
challenged as I am I managed to make it longer. Good opportunity to try out 
the 32mm extralight Stampede Pass tires on the Riv road. Very impressed 
with the tires which replaced 32mm Paselas. Good job, Mr Heine

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 8:53:10 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm exhilarated at having completed the 72 mile bike ride around Lake 
> Tahoe today! I was quite apprehensive last weekend, but then took control 
> over my negative thoughts and decided to just ride it and see how far I 
> got. And I got to the end!
>
> I drove to LT yesterday and brought my Homer. Just for kicks, the Homer is 
> equipped with 35mm Bon Jon tires with latex tubes, Honjo fenders, Compass 
> Rando 44mm bars taped with Brooks leather tape, C17 Cambium rust saddle, 
> front Sackville Trunksack small, rear Acorn large original tan saddlebag, 
> standard Sugino triple crankset 24/36/46 and 9 speed 12-34 cassette (o how 
> I love thee), DuraAce down tube shifters and flat pedals.
>
> I transported the bike on my new 1UP 2" Super Duty Single Bike Rack (first 
> time I use it) with the adapter for bikes with fenders. The rack is 
> outstanding! The bike didn't budge the whole way even when I hit 85+mph on 
> the freeway. I also got the extension to be able to carry a second bike, 
> but don't need it right now. An additional benefit of the single rack is 
> that even when stored up, it doesn't interfere with the trunk door on my 
> Highlander. https://www.1upusa.com/product-SDquikracksilver.html
>
> Wasn't sure about how I would do on the ride with my LCHF diet, so after 
> mulling my options and getting discouraged to bring hard boiled eggs by a 
> friend who said they go bad very quickly and easily, I decided to bring 
> sardines in olive oil instead. I got them out of the can and into a ziplock 
> bag and brought a spork. I also bought a bag of smoked almonds for the salt 
> and taste and backed it all up with a couple of packets of GU chomps, just 
> in case.
>
> I only had a black coffee in my room before leaving at 6:06 am and rode 
> without eating anything for the first two hours, including the Emerald Bay 
> climb. At hour two I decided to start taking the GU chomps (only one at a 
> time) to ensure I had enough carb support and wouldn't bonk later on. 
> Honestly, I think I could have done without them, at least until the second 
> half of the ride when the climb to Spooner almost got me. I refilled my 
> water bottles with just plain water at the first rest stop and had a banana 
> on the second rest stop as well as a handful of almonds. On the third rest 
> stop (lunch rest stop) at mile 42 I had my sardines with just some water 
> and promptly continued. There's a water stop half-way up the climb to 
> Spooner at mile 54 which I almost thought I wouldn't make. I had more Gu 
> chomps (I had been eating them throughout the ride), but had to stop 
> regularly during the climb. The sun was hot, my Garmin read all the way up 
> to 107.4 degrees and there was no shade. I would stop when I felt my butt 
> and legs needed a rest, wait a bit, and then continue. All throughout the 
> ride I had made it a goal to pedal at a high cadence (for me) between 85 - 
> 95 and that helped "save" my legs tremendously. Additionally, since there 
> was very little load on the pedals, my feet didn't hurt until the very end 
> when I was pedaling harder on the series of climbs you hit on the last 12 
> miles. Then they bothered me a bit. It also helped that I found a pair of 
> really comfortable wide shoes in the Shimano Click'R CT71 with the SOLE 
> Dean Karnazes custom foot beds reinforced with the Pedag Metatarsal Pads 
> from Natural Footgear. I don't wear the shoes clipped in, but they offer 
> the option. These are now my favorite shoes enhanced as described above.
>
> I wore my MUSA RBW wool zip top (black) under my MUSA RBW blue thin wool 
> jersey. I was planning on removing the zip top when it got warm, but I 
> actually kept it the whole time, even when during the Spooner climb when 
> the temps hit 107.4. The breeze was cool and I just didn't feel the need. I 
> wore AeroTech Designs (excellent for the larger among us) knickers for the 
> whole day as well. Thin wool socks to complete my outfit. I forgot to bring 
> a wool beanie and long fingered gloves, but even with the 41F morning 
> temperatures, I did fine with my short fingered classic gloves.
>
> Now for some interesting (for me) stuff I discovered. As you may know, 
> I've been training using the Maffetone method for the past 8 weeks and it's 
> been great, coupled with the LCHF diet. You know the piece about how the 
> diet worked during the ride, or better yet, ho

[RBW] Re: Where to buy RBW Summer Gloves now that they are gone?

[Ryan Fleming]

yup...I got a couple of pairs of these a couple of years ago and they're 
really quite good at an unbeatable pricewashed them quite a few times 
and no issues

On Sunday, June 5, 2016 at 10:01:53 AM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> I have been happy with these: 
> http://www.nashbar.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/mProduct4_10052_10053_172750_-1_catNav
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Budget wanna-be Roadeo for sale: Black Mountain Cycles

[Ryan Fleming]

Bill. I think your builds are very eclectic and you are an envy-worthy 
problem solver and mechanic. I have no mechanical ability whatsoever but I 
like to think I appreciate craft when I see it. I really like your hack 
with the Shimano CX70 cantis that I am using on my X0-1 and I might pass 
that to my mechanic and partner to implement:) I think your budget 
Roadeo in the ad is a really nice build and someone will really like it.

On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:20:44 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> This is extremely bad timing for those of you that think I'm a jerk...but 
> here we are.  
>
> Some of you like my builds, and some of you think my builds are plain 
> weird.  Both groups have plenty of reason for their opinions.  At any rate, 
> last year I put 5 bikes up for sale to pay for a modern mountain bike.  I 
> hoped to sell two of the five, and three actually sold.  One of the bikes 
> that sold was my Black Mountain Cycles Road bike.  Chris, the 
> extraordinarily nice guy who bought it, was referred to me by Manny (all 
> connections go through Manny).  Chris has a back issue that requires him to 
> replace the bike with an upright, so he is selling the bike I sold him.  I 
> would have already bought it back from himexcept I was missing it so 
> badly that I bought another Orange 59cm Black Mountain road bike in March. 
>  I really don't need two copies of the identical frame, but I might end up 
> buying it back anyway.  I'm really proud of the unconventional build on 
> Chris' bike.  Here is a link to his Craigslist ad:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5576178782.html
>
> Chris describes the build well, so I won't repeat it here.  If you are 
> weirded out by any details and want to ask me about it, by all means let me 
> know.  If you want me to assist in facilitating a purchase, Chris is still 
> local to me, so I can provide that help. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you switch from drop bike to Bosco/Alba bike on the fly?

[Ryan Fleming]

For long highway rides, I still like my drop bars (46 cm dream bars - Nitto 
model 185 , I think) and the stem is level with my saddle. I'm not on the 
drops a lot , probably would be on them more if the drop was a little 
shallower. One component change I made that helped a lot was switching from 
Campy SR brakes to VO Grand Cru brakes with TRP levers. Those levers are 
just really super comfortable. I think probably the Noodles would work, but 
I've way blown my bikey budget this year so maybe next year

Shorter rides...well I love my moustache bars , and I let Grant persuade me 
to try the Choco norms which I want flipped and stem level with my saddle. 
I think I'll like those bars a lot; I sure like the looks of thembut 
just in case, I do have NIB moustaches if the Chocos don't work for me.

On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 6:02:55 AM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote:
>
> I ride a drop bar on the road and a Choco Normal on an otherwise identical 
> bike in the city -- and switch between them nearly daily. I suggest you try 
> it --  one bike with drops and another with an upright. Though my tendency 
> with uprights is to set them maybe just a couple of inches above where my 
> drops are, really -- fairly level with my saddle, I guess. For sure not 
> crazy low like you see all those "cafe racers" and whatnot ... but nowhere 
> near what happens with a Riv Tallux stem and Boscos, which, already have a 
> significant rise built into their design. The Alba's have worked for me in 
> the past, too: great bar, plenty of position and rise. I tried the Choco's 
> just 'cause they looked a little cooler and fit my desire for not so much 
> of an upright position.
>
> I find that uprights are just so damn comfortable for meandering and 
> commuting -- a bike set up like that really brings a smile to my face, 
> like, daily. But I wouldn't want to take it out on the road for 2 to 3 
> hours (or more) at a stretch. 
>
> There I feel exactly the same about a well-fit drop bar bike!
>
> I love riding bikes.
>
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 5:36:11 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Thinking of getting Boscos for my Sam to ride when I ride with my wife. 
>> It has drops now.
>>
>> I ride drops on my Bleriot and Sam and I do some centuries every year.
>>
>> But doing this will make me minus an extra drop bike in the event I need 
>> one for a century, brevet, etc., at the last minute in case my Bleriot has 
>> a mechanical and I need another drop bar bike asap.
>>
>> Can one just hop on an upright bike and do a century after only training 
>> on a drop bar bike? Will the new position use different muscles enough to 
>> make it not wise to do?
>>
>> Have you done this and how is it?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New project

[Ryan Fleming]

yesterday you were dissin BRG...what changed your mind? That tasty build?

On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 1:04:29 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> British Racing Green!  My favorite!  
>
> APPROVE
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 10:57:20 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, folks,
>>
>> Well, I've had this 60cm Wilbury frame for several years, contemplating 
>> how to build it up, and it occurred to me that it might be fun to set out 
>> to make a bike that was just as pretty as I could make it.  You guys can be 
>> the judge of whether I succeeded:
>>
>> Wilbur 
>> 
>>
>> Wilbur 
>>
>> 
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>> 
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> It's  set up as a single speed, with wooden Ghisallo rims and Hetres, 
>> with some very nice parts.  The bags are from Erik Hjeltness, a vintage 
>> auto restorer who made a brief foray into bike bags.  Crank is a 
>> Stronglight, modified by Peter Weigle.  Gran Compe brakes from VO.  I made 
>> up the pedals to match the tires.  The bike may well be the most 
>> comfortable I've ever climbed on.  Here are a couple of details:
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>> 
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>> 
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>>
>> 
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>> 
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
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[RBW] Re: New project

[Ryan Fleming]

Well, as usual, it certainly is prettytasty...no that gives the wrong 
ideaterrific. When you said Wilbur I thought  of Charlotte's Web 
immediately

Those bags are really snazzy. I like what PW did to the crankset...how'd 
you do the pedals?

My only thing is that I wonder how practical those very handsome  wooden 
rims are...although, I've seen them on a number of your builds so they must 
work OK..I just can't see using them in extreme conditions like my fellow 
Manitoban likes to embrace...anyway, gorgeous as always

On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 12:57:20 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> Well, I've had this 60cm Wilbury frame for several years, contemplating 
> how to build it up, and it occurred to me that it might be fun to set out 
> to make a bike that was just as pretty as I could make it.  You guys can be 
> the judge of whether I succeeded:
>
> Wilbur 
> 
>
> Wilbur 
>
> 
> Rivendell Wilbury 
> 
>
> Rivendell Wilbury 
>
> 
>
>
> It's  set up as a single speed, with wooden Ghisallo rims and Hetres, with 
> some very nice parts.  The bags are from Erik Hjeltness, a vintage auto 
> restorer who made a brief foray into bike bags.  Crank is a Stronglight, 
> modified by Peter Weigle.  Gran Compe brakes from VO.  I made up the pedals 
> to match the tires.  The bike may well be the most comfortable I've ever 
> climbed on.  Here are a couple of details:
>
> Rivendell Wilbury 
> 
>
> Rivendell Wilbury 
>
> 
>
> Rivendell Wilbury 
> 
>
> Rivendell Wilbury 
>
> 
> Rivendell Wilbury 
> 
>
> Rivendell Wilbury 
>
> 
>
>
> Tom
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New project

[Ryan Fleming]

yes I am looking forward to getting my custom mixte which will not be too 
far off your Wilbury I suspect...but not quite as uniquely appointed, 
that's for sure. The Riv folks will do their usual superb job, though, I 
suspect...they are doing the build. But man, you sure do build up some 
classy bikes; you have a real talent for that!

On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 4:20:04 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
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> Just came back from a 15 mile ride on the newly built up Wilbury. 
> WONDERFULLY comfortable but still sprightly ride.  Man, GP designs some 
> great bikes!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
> Well, as usual, it certainly is prettytasty...no that gives the wrong 
> ideaterrific. When you said Wilbur I thought  of Charlotte's Web 
> immediately 
>
> Those bags are really snazzy. I like what PW did to the crankset...how'd 
> you do the pedals?
>
> My only thing is that I wonder how practical those very handsome  wooden 
> rims are...although, I've seen them on a number of your builds so they must 
> work OK..I just can't see using them in extreme conditions like my fellow 
> Manitoban likes to embrace...anyway, gorgeous as always
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 12:57:20 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote: 
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, folks,
>>
>> Well, I've had this 60cm Wilbury frame for several years, contemplating 
>> how to build it up, and it occurred to me that it might be fun to set out 
>> to make a bike that was just as pretty as I could make it.  You guys can be 
>> the judge of whether I succeeded:
>>
>> Wilbur 
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/27469431391/in/dateposted-public/>
>>
>> Wilbur 
>>
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/27469431391/in/dateposted-public/>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/27442804322/in/dateposted-public/>
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>>
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/27442804322/in/dateposted-public/>
>>
>>
>> It's  set up as a single speed, with wooden Ghisallo rims and Hetres, 
>> with some very nice parts.  The bags are from Erik Hjeltness, a vintage 
>> auto restorer who made a brief foray into bike bags.  Crank is a 
>> Stronglight, modified by Peter Weigle.  Gran Compe brakes from VO.  I made 
>> up the pedals to match the tires.  The bike may well be the most 
>> comfortable I've ever climbed on.  Here are a couple of details:
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/27469400131/in/dateposted-public/>
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>>
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/27469400131/in/dateposted-public/>
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/27541756075/in/dateposted-public/>
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>>
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/27541756075/in/dateposted-public/>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/27265125900/in/dateposted-public/>
>>
>> Rivendell Wilbury 
>>
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/27265125900/in/dateposted-public/>
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New project

[Ryan Fleming]

Tom, I was snooping and saw your Rasta Clem which I thought was pretty darn 
coolhave you finished it and do you like the Choco bars? Also, how do 
you decide which bike to pick for the day, you have a truly dizzying array 
of choices! I'm BRG with envy!

On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 5:17:15 PM UTC-5, Marc40a wrote:
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> Wow. 
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> Big fan of British racing green.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Massively upgraded Appaloosa

[Ryan Fleming]

I think the grey looks good with the mustard colour

On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 2:28:03 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 12:59:00 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Speaking of which, I do have the matching XTR greyish rear derailer on my 
>> Atlantis.  Perhaps I should switch that over...
>>
>
> I had some time last night for mechanical meditation, so I went ahead and 
> did a small parts swap.  
>
> From the Joe Appaloosa I removed:
>
> Silver Crankset and associated BB
> CX70 front der
> XT Rapid Rise Rear der
> 9 speed cassette
> 9 speed chain
>
> From my FatLantis I removed:
>
> Grey XTR Rear Der (non Rapid Rise)
> 8 speed cassette
> 8 speed indexed right hand bar end shifter
> 8 speed chain
>
> Onto the Joe Appaloosa I installed
>
> Grey Ritchey Logic 94/58 crankset, 172.5mm, 42/32/22
> 8 speed cassette
> Grey XTR rear der
> Indexed barcon shifter on the LEFT side
> spliced two 8sp chains to make one
>
> So now my Joe Appaloosa has even more XTR grey stuff on it, and now has 
> the 172.5 crank arms that I so zealously prefer.  The upside down mounting 
> of the sun-race thumbie bases forced me to run the indexed rear shifter on 
> the left, which keeps it weird.  Fortunately I like weird.  Pics prove it 
> happened:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Car-free week

[Ryan Fleming]

Better the car than your daughterI am glad no one was hurt

With all the variety in your fleet the challenge will be picking a bike:)

What tires on your Homer...looks like Compass tires which I'm getting very 
attached to...

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 2:36:46 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
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> Great story!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Jon in central Colorado  > wrote:
>
> Happy no one was hurt...
> I have a similar story...go back 49 years...
> Just got my license was rolling to a stop sign with a car in front of me. 
> Creeping closer, not paying attention I tapped the car in front of me. It 
> broke the tail light lens on her car.
> Just to show how prices have escalated the tail light lens cost $2.50.
> The $2.50 was nothing.I could pay out of my allowance.The worst part 
> was I had to deliver the money to her husband. You see...she was married to 
> my Drivers Ed teacher.
> Handing over that money to him was a whole semester of Drivers Ed wrapped 
> up in 10 minutesLesson learned I have had no accidents that have been 
> my fault since that day.
> My mom's car was still drivable but my parents forced me to ride my bike 
> for a month.
> Not trying to hijack your thread. Just a funny ( now) story.
> I'm sure your daughter will remember her accident for ever too!
> Jon
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 9:58:35 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Well, my 16 year-old new driver/daughter managed to roll into the trailer 
>> hitch on a pickup truck in front of her, causing (notwithstanding her 5 MPH 
>> speed at the time) several thousand dollars in damage to my car, and 
>> requiring a week's worth of repair work.  On the phone, the body shop asked 
>> me if I wanted a rental, and I looked at the beautiful weather outside and 
>> decided to decline.  Packed my Homer into the Audi, and headed for the body 
>> shop; unloaded and jumped on Homer for the 15 mile return trip home.  It's 
>> such a sweet-riding bike -- I'm really looking forward to a week without my 
>> car.
>>
>> As with many rides around Delaware, there was some pretty scenery along 
>> the way, and a GREAT coffee shop, too!  Pics prove it:
>>
>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen 
>> 
>>
>> Rivendell Homer Hilsen 
>>
>> 
>> Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best! 
>> 
>>
>> Coffee and scone at De La Coeur -- the best! 
>>
>> 
>> Homer resting on a towpath bridge 
>> 
>>
>> Homer resting on a towpath bridge 
>>
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[RBW] Re: At least I'm consistant

[Ryan Fleming]

I just have a flip phone and I barely use it...and am in no hurry to get a 
smart phonefunny for an IT person, eh?

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:58:52 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
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> Yeah, they just re-introduced these "clam shell" phones a few years ago - 
> back by popular demand.  Apparently, a significant number of cell phone 
> users became frustrated with the Android and Apple type phones that require 
> you to fumble around and swipe the screen just to answer it.  I'm right 
> there with you, only my ancient clam shell model is still working and I 
> hope it does for a long time to come.  All I have to do to answer it is 
> flip it open.
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:24:04 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>>
>> The term "retro" is often used about Rivendell bikes. A term I happily 
>> agree with. So my ancient cell phone, a simple flip open model, just died. 
>> RIP. I went to the Sprint store for a replacement and, shock!, they have a 
>> couple of current models that are flip style and simple. Just what I want. 
>> No bells and whistles. One model is called "the Retro."
>>
>> YES!
>>
>> Reid
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Thoughts on the whole low trail thing?

[Ryan Fleming]

OT on the trail...but I love that playing card suit crankset that green 
bike is rocking

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:46:16 AM UTC-5, James Chang wrote:
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> Hi Reed,
>
> I've got both.  A stouty Riv custom and a flexy low trial.  Both I love.  
> They certainly feel different but 10 minutes on either and any difference 
> fads away.  Do appreciate low trial with a front load though.  The Riv is 
> nice with a saddle bag but if the load is heavy it's kind of a drag when 
> I'm out of the saddle climbing.
>
> James Chang
> Taipei, Taiwan
> [image: image1.JPG][image: image2.JPG]
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:51 AM, René Sterental  > wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I converted two Rivendell bikes to low trail forks and liked them 
>> better that way, one I sold (Hunqapillar) and the other one I'm keeping 
>> (Atlantis). I preferred their handling vs. the original handling because I 
>> wanted front loads, and in the case of the Atlantis, because it shimmied 
>> for me with a rear load. Now it doesn't.
>>
>> I love the handling of the Homer and the Betty in their original 
>> geometries, but don't front load them other than a super light load 
>> (wallet, phone, glasses). My upcoming custom is low trail 650b, but not a 
>> Randonneur geometry.
>>
>> While you can probably get used to anything, it's when you've compared 
>> and liked something more, where the decision to invest to go that way or 
>> stay the way you are comes into play.
>>
>> You can search the forum for my past lengthy posts if you're interested. 
>>
>> René 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016, jeffrey kane > 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Reed -- there has been a near endless run of low vs not-low discussions 
>>> here and on the iBob and the 650b list. I feel like I've read them all and 
>>> agonized over the damn concept myself for years. But I've never seen a more 
>>> sensible and succinct assessment of the whole thing than these quickly 
>>> punched out 9 posts above. Bill L nailed it one way, Evan B pretty much 
>>> said what GP himself has been saying forever, which, is you can probably 
>>> get used to anything given some time and Steve P knows his stuff and has 
>>> real experience with some pretty darn nice bikes.
>>>
>>> Me, I've got only this to add: having bounced through 5 similar yet 
>>> different 650b rides in the last six years (2 typical trail Rivs, a V/O low 
>>> trail and now 2 Jeff Lyon even lower trail bikes) I'd say that there can be 
>>> some unpredictable bike-to-bike variations in performance that don't just 
>>> fall in line with the "spread sheet" of expectations. Why? I have no idea 
>>> but I have a Saluki that does not play well front loaded and Bleriot that 
>>> does (yet, supposedly they are super close in geo). The V/O worked nicely 
>>> but didn't incite much passion, The 2 Lyon's: one with drops and the other 
>>> with uprights exhibit somewhat different tendencies, which, I suppose, 
>>> speaks to the bar choice and riding position. 
>>>
>>> I ended up on flexy front loading low-trail rides though ... and I don't 
>>> see myself going back. Maybe I'll go in another direction altogether but 
>>> for now, I couldn't be happier.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:24:31 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:

 I've been a Rivvy sorta guy for the last ten years, owning several of 
 their bikes and numerous others built up in Riv-inspired ways. Recently 
 I've been reading through back issues of Bicycle Quarterly, and back posts 
 on Jan Heine's blog. It's got me wondering about this whole 
 alternate-universe practical bike thing he describes, which seems to be 
 characterized by low trail steering geometry, flexible frames, and 
 carrying 
 loads up front.

 I'd love to try it, but such bikes aren't exactly common. 

 Does anyone have experience with both Rivvy (mid-trail, burly rigid 
 frame, carrying stuff all over) and the more French rando / Jan sort of 
 bike? What did you think of each?


 Reed

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Re: [RBW] Re: At least I'm consistant

[Ryan Fleming]

Couldn't agree with you guys more

On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 4:07:15 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Ditto and ditto.  If I want to do computing, I'll do it at home, with a 
> big monitor and a really nice clicking keyboard, rather than a screen the 
> size of a pocket cigar case and a touchscreen with virtual keys that are 
> too small and give no tactile feedback at all.  For me, the ergonomics of 
> most recent electronic gadgets are simply terrible and I hate using them, 
> especially out in the sun, when I can't see the screen at all.   I'll put 
> up with a cell phone in order to be able to call 911 or contact someone on 
> a ride who's gotten lost or broken down, but otherwise forget about it.
>
> On 06/15/2016 04:54 PM, George Schick wrote:
>
> Well, I'm a retired IT person and I don't consider myself a Luddite, but 
> there comes a limit to how much I want to get caught up in the perpetual 
> churn of electronic gadgets.  I usually only carry the phone when I think I 
> might need it for ad hoc or emergency communications anyway. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 3:39:18 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: 
>>
>> I just have a flip phone and I barely use it...and am in no hurry to get 
>> a smart phonefunny for an IT person, eh?
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:58:52 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote: 
>>>
>>> Yeah, they just re-introduced these "clam shell" phones a few years ago 
>>> - back by popular demand.  Apparently, a significant number of cell phone 
>>> users became frustrated with the Android and Apple type phones that require 
>>> you to fumble around and swipe the screen just to answer it.  I'm right 
>>> there with you, only my ancient clam shell model is still working and I 
>>> hope it does for a long time to come.  All I have to do to answer it is 
>>> flip it open.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 12:24:04 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote: 
>>>>
>>>> The term "retro" is often used about Rivendell bikes. A term I happily 
>>>> agree with. So my ancient cell phone, a simple flip open model, just died. 
>>>> RIP. I went to the Sprint store for a replacement and, shock!, they have a 
>>>> couple of current models that are flip style and simple. Just what I want. 
>>>> No bells and whistles. One model is called "the Retro."
>>>>
>>>> YES!
>>>>
>>>> Reid
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! Apppaloosa!

[Ryan Fleming]

The JAs sound like fabulous bikes, but why am I not surprised by this? 
Sound like superb touring bikes

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 8:25:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Michael -- thanks for this writeup. I was particularly struck by this:
>
> * I rode around their parking lot, doing laps around their building. I 
> really liked the bike. It felt nimble, like my LeMond cyclocross bike, but 
> more stable. I expected to dislike the handlebars, but in a snap judgment 
> decided I liked them.*
>
> All the positive reviews about the Appaloosa are making my defenses start 
> to crumble. I would very much like to try one out. I am more skeptical of 
> sweep back bars, but those too get much praise.
>
> Question: can you elaborate about the difference in handling and feel 
> between the Appaloosa and the Clem and the Chevs? I realize that this is 
> first impressions, but those sometimes reveal real qualities.
>
> (Aside: I wonder, if I went all weight weenie, if I could get an Appaloosa 
> down to UCI minimum ...)
>
> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Michael Morrissey  > wrote:
>
>> I wrote a bit more about my new Rivendell on my blog:
>>
>> http://thedayweneverwenthome.blogspot.com/2016/06/riding-first-fifty-miles-fast-and-free.html
>>
>> It also includes my $0.02 on test riding other Rivendells in Walnut Creek!
>>
>> Thank you for the kind words of encouragement with the bike!
>>
>> - michael
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:37:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> I finally got my Appaloosa together!  I'm really enjoying this bike!  
>>> The main thing I love about it is the lower bottom bracket height.  It's so 
>>> stable and comfy.  I built it up with a mish-mash of parts: some new, some 
>>> from my cyclocross bike, some from the ebay, some from the shelves at the 
>>> LBS!  I'm running 35mm tires now because that's what I have, but I'm going 
>>> to go fatter soon!  After wanting a Rivendell for 10 years, I am thrilled 
>>> to have one!
>>>
>>> Parts list:
>>> Paul neo-retro brakes and paul levers
>>> Sugino x White Industries cranks
>>> VP Vice pedals
>>> Wolf Tooth 94bcd x 32 tooth narrow wide chainring (really low gearing!)
>>> Sunrace 9 speed thumbshifter
>>> Nitto dirt drop stem with albatross bars
>>>
>>> m
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Ryan Fleming]

New bike day is always a good day...nice bike ! Hope you have many happy 
miles on it!

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 10:50:00 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Yep it's the original grey. It changes with the lighting as it's got a 
> bluish tint to it! Maybe the cream also makes it appear light too!
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 11:19:21 AM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> Congrats and that's a gorgeous bike!!!  Very close to how I would outfit 
>> one if I had the funds to indulge in some really nice components.  
>>
>> Are you saying that's the original grey?  I thought it was a completely 
>> different color because it looks much lighter.  Maybe it's the lighting in 
>> your camera or maybe it's just the contrast difference between grey/cream 
>> and grey/burgundy-orange.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:42:50 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
>>> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
>>> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>>>
>>> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
>>> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
>>> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>>>
>>> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
>>> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
>>> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
>>> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
>>> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>>>
>>> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, 
>>> work laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - 
>>> via Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really 
>>> like this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly 
>>> around.
>>>
>>> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
>>> flexible, and very rad.
>>>
>>> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
>>> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
>>> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>>>
>>> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered 
>>> my questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
>>> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
>>> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Is this you with your Rivendell?

[Ryan Fleming]

It is kind of a neat site, but you're right, only 1 Hilsen. Quite a few of 
the Tod Kuzma Herons...sure are a whack of Atlantis owners. Would be neat 
to know how many models of each, but I suspect the Atlantis is probably 
still the bread and butter of Rivendell

 Sorta OT but  since I love cats, bikes and beer, how can you not like the 
shop cat pictures

http://www.rideyourbike.com/shopcats.shtml 

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:11:44 AM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> I’m not sure how this relates, but the compilation of photos seems to be 
> almost 10 years old without recent update. I base this on the lack of 
> Hillbornes in the collection. The Hillborne has become a very popular 
> model, and I think it would be represented in such a large sample.
>
> Before the Hillborne came out, the Atlantis and Ram formed the defining 
> Axis of Riv to me, and there are lots of those with a couple Bleriots and a 
> good handful of Herons on the photo compilation. It’s kind of a neat time 
> capsule. Notice no Bombadils either.
>
> The site is really interesting. Where did it come from and is it strange 
> that it didn’t come up on this group’s radar back in the day. (Did it? I 
> don’t remember it?) And why is not active now?
>
> -Jim W.
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2016, at 2:22 AM, masmojo > 
> wrote:
>
> Really brings home just how many Rivendell owners there are and I am 
> guessing the vast majority don't frequent this group, they just ride their 
> bikes and don't bother to come skwawk here.
> I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the number of Atlanti', seeing as it's 
> one of their oldest models,  but it's jaw dropping to see them listed one 
> after the other and realizing it's still just a small representation of how 
> many more that are out there. Does anyone know just how many Rivendells 
> and/or Atlantis's have been made!?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wife asked me to go on a 2 week bike tour, help!!

[Ryan Fleming]

And maybe if that's her preference , you roll with that. I sympathize with 
your wife; I've never been totally comfortable on single-track either, 
though I don't mind gravel or double track so much. I think that's super 
that you're trying to think more of what she would like to do the most and 
you're not pressuring her to ride like you do. That can be so stressful for 
both of you

I see your point though that single-track probably leads to the nicest 
camping spots. But maybe you compromise a little and if you get to your 
destination early and you  guys need a little solitude/personal space, you 
can take off somewhere more gnarly by yourself.

I think the fact that you're asking  promises that it'll be an awesome 
trip...I hope it is and Newfoundland sounds like a great place to go

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 2:41:32 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Deacon, good suggestion.
>
> A few of those I can answer already. She loves the ocean and wants to be 
> near water if possible. At least for part of it. She loves camping and 
> prefers sleeping in a tent to a bed, but a shower now and then is most 
> welcome. Credit card touring is out for us due to budget. Bike handling 
> skills aren't the greatest, which is the reason she isn't a fan of single 
> track. I think she'd prefer the locations accessible by single track 
> honestly, but the effort required to navigate trails isn't worth it to her. 
> Gravel paths and smooth double track is good though.  
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Awesome! Step one: Ask her what she likes about going on a bike tour. 
>> What pictures does she have in mind? Get untainted images first, then 
>> provide more specific possibilities like credit card tourning, camping 
>> touring on paved roads, dirt roads, bikepacking on single track and the 
>> various pictures unique to each. See what attracts her and what does not.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 1:21:20 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> A few years back I built up a new bike for my wife as a surprise. It was 
>>> a Surly Cross Check with Jack brown 33.3 tires, Nitto Albatross bars, a 
>>> small wald basket, ladies Brook's B17, etc. Very classy build. Black frame, 
>>> all silver parts. I was hoping a nice, well fitting comfortable bike would 
>>> promote more riding together, which it has to a degree. We've done a few 
>>> longer rides together and last summer did our first overnighter, which she 
>>> loved. She's always said that long distance touring probably isn't her 
>>> thing, but after we've completed a couple motorcycle tours and backcountry 
>>> hiking trips together it seems she's developed the urge to transition to 
>>> bicycles... maybe all my cycling adventures have inspired some 
>>> self-propelled wanderlust too, who knows. 
>>>
>>> Point is, we're sitting on the couch earlier in the week and she says "I 
>>> want to take two weeks off next summer and go on a cycling tour with you".
>>>
>>> I felt like I was electrocuted! That's basically my dream. 
>>>
>>> So here's my questions. I'm well aware of the fact that what I like to 
>>> do on a tour isn't what a lot of other people would like to do. I look for 
>>> single track and dirt roads, don't mind rough terrain and not showering for 
>>> a week. I like doing 100-200km in a day. I love the idea of spending five 
>>> hours climbing a mountain and then screaming down the other side as fast as 
>>> I can possibly go. 
>>>
>>> If we did that, I don't think she'd ever tour with me again... 
>>>
>>> For those of you who've toured with your spouse, or with friends who 
>>> aren't as nutty as you in general, what worked? What advice do you have for 
>>> daily distance, elevation, road surface, etc? I know this will be highly 
>>> individual and vary widely based on personal preferences, age, appetite for 
>>> adventure, budgets, etc. For reference, my wife Cindy has done some 100km 
>>> rides and enjoyed them, but I think that would be a bit much for day after 
>>> day mileage. She likes gravel roads, but not trails. Enjoys hiking up 
>>> mountains, but is nervous to attempt cycling up one. She's always been hard 
>>> on the brakes all the way down any hill, but she's since acquired her 
>>> motorcycle license, so all that 100km/h time in the saddle is sure to help 
>>> alleviate the fear of speed. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thus far the best idea we've come up with together is going to 
>>> Newfoundland and touring the western edge. It's a 450km one-way ride that 
>>> crosses Gros Morne National Park, where we would stop to hike for a day or 
>>> two. 450km isn't enough distance for 2 weeks in my opinion. I'd like 
>>> something closer to 750. That way we can have some 100km days, some 30km 
>>> days, a few rest days, etc. So maybe doing this 450km route plus something 
>>> extra. Camping mostly, with a hostel/B&B every 4-5 days to stay fresh, 
>>> mentally and physically. I think it'd have a 

Re: [RBW] Re: Wife asked me to go on a 2 week bike tour, help!!

[Ryan Fleming]

I've been dying to see this Crust of yours...I keep an eye out for it...I'm 
sure it'll be special 

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 4:31:49 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> All great points, thanks! 
>
> Ryan - we're due for a run-in on the street soon. My 26+ Crust DFL is all 
> built up now. Heading out on a 3-day tour on Saturday. Packing a rain 
> jacket...
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Ryan Fleming  > wrote:
>
>> And maybe if that's her preference , you roll with that. I sympathize 
>> with your wife; I've never been totally comfortable on single-track either, 
>> though I don't mind gravel or double track so much. I think that's super 
>> that you're trying to think more of what she would like to do the most and 
>> you're not pressuring her to ride like you do. That can be so stressful for 
>> both of you
>>
>> I see your point though that single-track probably leads to the nicest 
>> camping spots. But maybe you compromise a little and if you get to your 
>> destination early and you  guys need a little solitude/personal space, you 
>> can take off somewhere more gnarly by yourself.
>>
>> I think the fact that you're asking  promises that it'll be an awesome 
>> trip...I hope it is and Newfoundland sounds like a great place to go
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 2:41:32 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> Deacon, good suggestion.
>>>
>>> A few of those I can answer already. She loves the ocean and wants to be 
>>> near water if possible. At least for part of it. She loves camping and 
>>> prefers sleeping in a tent to a bed, but a shower now and then is most 
>>> welcome. Credit card touring is out for us due to budget. Bike handling 
>>> skills aren't the greatest, which is the reason she isn't a fan of single 
>>> track. I think she'd prefer the locations accessible by single track 
>>> honestly, but the effort required to navigate trails isn't worth it to her. 
>>> Gravel paths and smooth double track is good though.  
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Awesome! Step one: Ask her what she likes about going on a bike tour. 
>>>> What pictures does she have in mind? Get untainted images first, then 
>>>> provide more specific possibilities like credit card tourning, camping 
>>>> touring on paved roads, dirt roads, bikepacking on single track and the 
>>>> various pictures unique to each. See what attracts her and what does not.
>>>>
>>>> With abandon,
>>>> Patrick 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 1:21:20 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A few years back I built up a new bike for my wife as a surprise. It 
>>>>> was a Surly Cross Check with Jack brown 33.3 tires, Nitto Albatross bars, 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> small wald basket, ladies Brook's B17, etc. Very classy build. Black 
>>>>> frame, 
>>>>> all silver parts. I was hoping a nice, well fitting comfortable bike 
>>>>> would 
>>>>> promote more riding together, which it has to a degree. We've done a few 
>>>>> longer rides together and last summer did our first overnighter, which 
>>>>> she 
>>>>> loved. She's always said that long distance touring probably isn't her 
>>>>> thing, but after we've completed a couple motorcycle tours and 
>>>>> backcountry 
>>>>> hiking trips together it seems she's developed the urge to transition to 
>>>>> bicycles... maybe all my cycling adventures have inspired some 
>>>>> self-propelled wanderlust too, who knows. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Point is, we're sitting on the couch earlier in the week and she says 
>>>>> "I want to take two weeks off next summer and go on a cycling tour with 
>>>>> you".
>>>>>
>>>>> I felt like I was electrocuted! That's basically my dream. 
>>>>>
>>>>> So here's my questions. I'm well aware of the fact that what I like to 
>>>>> do on a tour isn't what a lot of other people would like to do. I look 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> single track and dirt roads, don't mind rough terrain and not showering 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> a week. I like doing 100-200km in a day. I lov

[RBW] X-post WTB - ISO Mavic 501 rear skewer

[Ryan Fleming]

Subject line says it all. In  new to good condition ...no rust if 
possible...will buy front and rear so you don't have an orphan skewer

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Re: [RBW] Roadeo tubing

[Ryan Fleming]

However, if True Temper is no longer supplying frame tubing after this 
year, that spec may change once everyone's inventory is exhausted.Knowing 
Grant, I am sure that he'll come up with a suitable substitute

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 9:20:31 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=376
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Tim Gavin  > wrote:
>
>> Are there any indications that it has changed?  Grant said it's a mix of 
>> Reynolds 725 and True Temper OX Platinum, with .65/.45/.65 butting in the 
>> top tube and down tube.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Abcyclehank > > wrote:
>>
>>> I think it is still steel.  JK.
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>> West Michigan
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[RBW] Re: Custom queue

[Ryan Fleming]

gee maybe mine is on its way then :)

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 12:06:35 AM UTC-5, Eric wrote:
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> Saw the post on the blug about the $200 off the price of a custom and it's 
> tempting! Anyone throwing down?

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[RBW] Re: Custom queue

[Ryan Fleming]

Mixte  burgundy metallic - 650B wheels to be built up at Riv HQ...Rich 
wheels with WI hubs - deore XT drivetrain , choco normal bars Brooks 
Select...I'm blinging it out a bit..I jokingly emailed Riv and 
said...huh...I'm not in the queue but Grant emailed me back and said yes, 
being built...will be on its way to paint...etc...not that I was 
worried...not my first time at the rodeo...Riv a pleasure to work with as 
always.I told them they should post pictures to advertise their beautiful 
work

Now getting it up to Canada will be a bit spendy w PST/GST and shipping, 
but I've paid for the bike at least

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> Ryan,
> What size and style custom do you have on the way?
>
>
> A different Ryan
> West Michigan
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[RBW] Re: Another new Appaloosa

[Ryan Fleming]

Nice bike ! can't see the Bridgestone UNO though...would love to see it

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Minh: I like your theory! 
>
> Michael: Ah yes, the prototype Bridgestone UNO. It was listed as a coming 
> model at the back of the '94 catalogue, but they closed up shop before it 
> made production. Neat bike to have around as an historical footnote no one 
> really remembers, but I quickly discovered the hill I live on I'd no place 
> for an old guy on a singlespeed..sold long ago. 
>
> Yes, the green tape with light blue frame really nailed it for me; I never 
> would have thought of doing that. I'm VERY surprised I ended up liking the 
> blue so much. I loved the mustard in pictures - it reminds me of one of my 
> favorite Rivs, the butterscotch Saluki - but didn't give the blue much 
> thought. Then when I got to RBW last weekend, it really jumped out at me. 
> It doesn't show in pics at all, but the color seems to deepen in sunlight 
> and reveal the hint of green mixed in the pigment. There was a fellow on 
> the ride who had dark blue chainring bolts on his..bling, baby! 
>
> eCLEMç Twine is an interesting idea for wrapping the stack of wires 
> emanating from the controller in the seat bag..I hadn't thought of that. I 
> don't think I would use it on the frame tubes, though, the black zip-ties 
> don't stand out as much. There isn't much to be done about the "wires 
> everywhere" look, that's just the way it is with an e-kit installation. 
>
> Joe "Appaloosa" Bernard 
> Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Custom queue

[Ryan Fleming]

and both are really nice...this is a pre-retirement present for myself

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 2:40:27 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'd love to have a custom if I could ever convince myself Rivendell 
> doesn't already make what I need in my size. My current CLEM and Appaloosa 
> tell me that ain't happening ;)

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[RBW] Re: Another new Appaloosa

[Ryan Fleming]

hmmm neat...still like those bridgestones , but your new appaloosa is a 
beauty for sure

On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 2:32:47 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> UNO. If I linked it correctly..I still don't understand how photo host 
> sites work. 
>
> https://m.flickr.com/photos/18972972@N08/10806531086/
>
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[RBW] Re: Custom queue

[Ryan Fleming]

well...I have a 1997 Riv-allrounder which I really like a lot, and a 2001 
Riv road custom which I also really like a lot...I love the classic riv 
decals and I wanted something really special where I had  a little more 
input. I know the customs are a bit spendy , but worth every penny

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 9:03:55 AM UTC-5, RichS wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> Congratulations on your upcoming Riv custom and retirement! I just retired 
> but have two Rivs. Not sure I could convince my wife I need a "retirement 
> Riv".
> Anyway, your new mixte sounds like a beauty. In recent months I have 
> pondered a mixte since there will come a time in the not too distant future 
> when it may be difficult to swing my leg over a 2 degree sloping top tube.
>
> So I'm curious what inspired you to go the custom route instead of a stock 
> Cheviot? Looking forward to seeing pics.
>
> Thanks and best wishes for grand adventures on your new ride!
> Richard
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 11:49:53 AM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> gee maybe mine is on its way then :)
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2016 at 12:06:35 AM UTC-5, Eric wrote:
>>>
>>> Saw the post on the blug about the $200 off the price of a custom and 
>>> it's tempting! Anyone throwing down?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Ryan Fleming]

The Riv effect?

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 11:47:41 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> So today, I finally took it on my normal commute into work from DC in 
> Virginia, about 8 miles and takes me about 50ish minutes in the morning. I 
> hadn't ridden into work since early late October. I went into the holidays 
> gaining 10 lb and getting out of shape, and never really took exercising 
> back up. So I expected it to take closer to 1 hour mark for my commute.
>
> I'm generally slower in the morning, and there's a stretch of about 3.5 
> miles where it's all uphill when I enter Virginia, steeper in the 
> beginning, and levels out as I get closer to work. As I was getting closer 
> to this section, I thought "time to drop to the granny", but surprisingly 
> was able to keep it in the big ring (granted 40t). I decided to pace 
> myself, because previous bikes I've ridden had me gassed by the time I got 
> to where the road slowly levels out. So I just spun, and thought I was 
> taking it pretty moderately paced.
>
> I thought to myself, "Well the Hunq is a touring bike, what'd you expect? 
> It's not a roadie, you're gonna be slower."
>
> As I got into my building, I checked the time expecting to rush to get 
> dressed, etc. Found I got into work in 47 minutes, one of my faster times. 
> I took off my shirt and barely any sweat. 
>
> I was so confused, I'm trying many "firsts" on this build so I can't 
> pinpoint it - my first time tubeless, first time on Compass Rat Traps, 
> first time with Jones loop bar on more pavement rides. 
>
> The only changes I need to make - the Jeff Jones Loop bar did get a bit 
> uncomfortable at the grips at the end of the ride - might need ergon or 
> more padding than the cotton tape I have. Need to tilt the handlebar up 
> slightly, and need to switch out the VP-001 for the VP Vice pedals.
>
> Either way, I'm extremely pleased on my first commute with this bike.
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 9:42:50 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> Picked up my Hunq from Gravel & Grind (helped me put together the build) 
>> on Saturday and finally got around to riding it this morning. Here are some 
>> pictures before my morning commute from DC into Arlington.
>>
>> This is a 48cm Hunqapillar, with mostly 10 speed XT parts except the SLX 
>> rear derailleur, and White Industries crankset. Also Pauls canti's and 
>> levers, Brooks Swift, and Nitto Seatpost.
>>
>> Of unusual to note, I fitted this out with a Jones loop bar. I had 
>> Clockwork Bikes make me a custom 31.8 quill stem. It's bare steel right 
>> now, but I'll probably nickel plate it somewhere down the road. Wheels are 
>> Compass Rat Traps set up tubeless on Atlas rims. Using the Riv's silver hub 
>> rear, and the Shutter precision hub front. Built up by Gravel & Grind.
>>
>> Got the Carradice bag from Gravel & Grind, fits all my work clothes, work 
>> laptop, lunch, with room to spare. Strapped to my handlebar method - via 
>> Ultraromance-style, and also seen on Mark Reimer's Atlantis. I really like 
>> this set up, allows more cargo than a basket, and things don't fly around.
>>
>> Can't recommend the guys at Gravel & Grind enough. Very chill, very 
>> flexible, and very rad.
>>
>> This bike rides soo awesome! I can really push it, but it's very 
>> comfortable and stable. I was also surprised how light it feels considering 
>> it's a stout frame. So stoked for many many years on this thing!
>>
>> Thanks to all those I've privately messaged and all those who answered my 
>> questions and all that. It really helped a lot.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>>
>> I've been thinking of getting a Hunq for awhile now back when it was the 
>> awesome grey and red color, so I got it colored in the old grey, but cream 
>> accents to match the new Hunqapillar decals.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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>> 
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Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

[Ryan Fleming]

wellseems to be coming along nicely

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 2:03:50 AM UTC-5, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> Hi, All.
>
> Since there was interest in it, I wanted to post a progress update and 
> build sheet.  At almost a month after ordering, the frame should be well 
> along in the queue by now.  The build components are well settled and the 
> part allocations, orders, and accumulations are in process.
>
> Gearing will be 3x10 with a Riv Sugino crank combined with a 12-36 
> cassette.  At my current 'less than 200 watt power' level, this combination 
> should work well for me for quite some time.
>
> After starting towards getting barends, I ended up switching to down tube 
> shifters with the Shimano Dura-Ace 7900 for a friction front shift and 
> indexed rear shift.  The more I thought about it, the less I liked the 
> esthetics of bar end shifters.  This was due to two primary factors, the 
> shifters being right in front of the knees and also the loose loops of 
> cables usually used with them.  Those just seem messy to me somehow, not 
> very tidy.  Down tube shifters are so much cleaner looking to me in 
> comparison.  I think seeing them on René's pictures helped in that 
> decision.  (Thanks for those.)  To start working towards getting used to 
> them, I have been practicing on my SRAM Apex brifters on my AWOL.  Each 
> time I shift, I try to remember to reach down and touch the down tube for a 
> second or two.  This should help me get used to holding the handlebar with 
> only one hand while shifting.  Any way, that's my theory.
>
> For the build sheet, here is the link:
>
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lq_0chVXRJn4wV8Dl0qaeHpsgttyq3X1lyzIHZwelB0
>
> Thanks again everyone.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Tim Butterfield  > wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time.  I 
>> first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member and 
>> sometimes lurker since then.  But, I had not made the commitment and 
>> purchased a Riv.  The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando.  That 
>> was sort of rivish.  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423
>>
>> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my comfort 
>> using it the way it should have been.  That bike was sold before I left 
>> Chicago to live full-time in an RV.  Once we decided to settle in 
>> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp, 
>> definitely not rivish.  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428
>>
>> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, the 
>> real thing.  I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A Homer 
>> Hilsen.  I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the Roadeo, 
>> but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also.  With my weight at 
>> 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead of 
>> the Roadeo.  I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my 
>> abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks 
>> without having to change frames.
>>
>> So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two 
>> mentioned.  My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it.  My Rando was 
>> more modern with the 105 setup.  The AWOL was definitely modern with discs 
>> and SRAM setup.  But, I'm not tied to that.  Though I haven't used it much, 
>> I like the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters.  It 
>> looks clean and simple.  I'm just not sure what it's like to live with.  I 
>> expect that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it.  But, 
>> using DT shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would work 
>> with an 11-speed I could have instead.  I'm trying to consider the pros and 
>> cons of each.
>>
>> With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV.  Some 
>> RVs have sufficient inside storage for a bike.  Mine doesn't.
>>
>> My questions to the group are these:  As I am not yet doing longer 
>> distances, are there still benefits to the more traditional setups?  If I 
>> pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have provided?  Are 
>> there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a Riv 
>> locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL?  I'm doubtful of that, but 
>> don't want to mistreat it either.  Any thing else I should consider?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice you have.
>>
>> Tim
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[RBW] Re: Yet another Appaloosa Build

[Ryan Fleming]

 Your bike looks really  good...that box is not the Riv box, correct?  I 
love the mustard colour, the saddle  and the older  XTR cranks...I have 
those cranks on my SS PX-10 , but the logo is buffed off from usenice 
cranks though. Have to say the new XTRs don't look as nice to my eyes. 
Clunky looking. In some ways , the early to mid nineties were the sweet 
spot for good-looking components once the urge to colour- anodize 
everything wore offnot that a little bling is totally a bad thing. 
...and Paul, WI, CK and Phil Wood make really nice components. 

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 9:14:43 PM UTC-5, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Mostly finished up my Appaloosa build tonight.  Pretty happy with how it 
> turned out.  Just waiting on my dynamo lighting to show up so I can finish 
> it off.
>
> Keith
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[RBW] Re: Yet another Appaloosa Build

[Ryan Fleming]

Your idea of a B bike is someone's A+ bike. I like the looks of all your 
bikes and I like mixing nice parts on my own fleet

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 7:52:00 PM UTC-5, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Ryan, 
>
> I like the look of the current M9000 XTR, but everyone has the 
> preferences.  I have it setup on my Hunqapillar.  I've got different setups 
> on all my Rivs, my common theme is fat tires.  I also enjoy Phil, CK, WI, 
> and Paul parts.  I have them on all my bikes.  It might offend some, but I 
> built up my Appaloosa to be my B bike, though it is still pretty sweet. 
>
> Keith 
>
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 2:53:35 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote: 
> >  Your bike looks really  good...that box is not the Riv box, correct?  I 
> love the mustard colour, the saddle  and the older  XTR cranks...I have 
> those cranks on my SS PX-10 , but the logo is buffed off from usenice 
> cranks though. Have to say the new XTRs don't look as nice to my eyes. 
> Clunky looking. In some ways , the early to mid nineties were the sweet 
> spot for good-looking components once the urge to colour- anodize 
> everything wore offnot that a little bling is totally a bad thing. 
> ...and Paul, WI, CK and Phil Wood make really nice components.  
> > 
> > On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 9:14:43 PM UTC-5, Keith Muller wrote:Mostly 
> finished up my Appaloosa build tonight.  Pretty happy with how it turned 
> out.  Just waiting on my dynamo lighting to show up so I can finish it off. 
> > Keith 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 700c Tire Advice

[Ryan Fleming]

I have the 700 X 35mm Pasela Tourguards  on my PX-10  and in 4 or 5 years 
of commuting and 1 '1/2 - 2 hr rides  (not in winter and not in rain, if I 
can help it since there is NO room for fenders and very tight clearance , 
esp  the rear tire ) I think I've only had 2  or 3 flats that I can 
remember. Dumb luck, I know, but my experience with Pasela tourguards 
 (used 26 X 1.5 on my allrounder and X0-1) has been really quite good in 
terms of durability and flat history.

Using Compass 26 X 1.5 McClure's on X0-1 and allrounder ; for the X0-1 , I 
like them a lot but they are probably more susceptible to flats. Suppler 
tires, that's for sure.

And I have 700 X 32 Stampede Pass extralights on my Riv road and I have to 
say, they're nicer riding and certainly lighter than the 700 X 32 Pasela 
Tourguards they replaced. Naturally, I don't commute on the Rivs, but a lot 
of you are of the opinion that Schwalbes are very tough and well-made and 
more reliable for regular every day commuting. 

My personal feeling when it comes to tires is that you likely get what you 
pay for, to some extent...it may not be the best place to economize, since 
they do very much influence how the bike rides.



On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 7:19:55 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
>
> I rode Pasela Tourguard in 700x35 for a year and flatted once on a busy 
> street; Lil Bens for 2 years no flats; 700x50 Big Bens for 1.5 years now, 
> no flats. Feel the sidewalk cracks much less through 50's than 40's.  I 
> like 50 for commute comfort and 40 for zipping around lightly. No more 
> Pasela for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom queue

[Ryan Fleming]

Well...I hope someone gets in line, because in my experience, a Riv custom 
is a worthy investment providing a Riv is your style, and I think you do 
have lots of choices and the Riv folks are fun to work with...I 

 However, it's good for Riv that their production bikes seem to be selling 
briskly...who knows, all the raves about those clems may have me buying  a 
clementine  one of these days as a utility bike with baskets  and ...who 
knows ...albatross or bosco bars. I can see that they're very practical 
bikes

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> H^3 tandem is mighty tempting, isn't it! 
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Abcyclehank  > wrote: 
> > I have seriously considered that!  I might just go with a 65cm Mustard 
> Clem and a Large tandem.  The Clem could always go to my future son in law 
> if he proves worthy enough. 
> > 
> > Ryan 
> > West Michigan 
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[RBW] Re: Choco Norm Handlebars

[Ryan Fleming]

I'm getting Choco-norms on my custom mixte as suggested by GP. I normally 
ride moustache bars and I have 1 bike with drop bars. I think I'll like 
them...I'm planning to run them flipped down but I'd be interested to hear 
what others think as well

On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 12:42:31 PM UTC-5, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>
> Nobody on the list using the Choco Norms? What about the Choco Bull Moose? 
> I'm familiar with the Alba's, how do they compare?
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 10:32:53 PM UTC-4, A CT Cyclist wrote:
>>
>> I'm thinking about putting some different handlebars on my Bridgestone 
>> MB-2. I'd like to get some feedback regarding the Choco Norm Handlebars. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

[Ryan Fleming]

Good luck , have fun and safe travels...that Crust looks like just the 
ticket...but I'll be happy to experience your trip vicariously...take your 
usual awesome pictures...Cheers

On Thursday, June 30, 2016 at 1:53:21 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Figured I'd share a quick update about this divide trip. I'm flying West 
> on Wednesday in the early morning, with the hope of riding a short distance 
> out of Banff in the evening for my first night. I've decided not to ride 
> the Atlantis in the end. Not because I don't think it could handle it (of 
> course it could) but because I've put together a bike that I believe will 
> handle it better. 
>
> I've built up the 26+ plus bike pictured below, and just returned from a 
> three-day 360km off road tour that featured very comparable terrain to the 
> Divide. The added cushion from the 3" tubeless tires and the remarkable 
> stopping power in wet and muddy conditions with the Paul Klamper disc 
> brakes are what ultimately sold me. The carrying capacity and weight are 
> pretty similar between the two bikes. The overall riding position is 
> extremely close to the Atlantis. But based on my personal experiences I 
> think this will be the better option. There will be one or two Riv's along 
> for the ride though, so it will be fun to compare our experiences. 
>
> Next summer when my wife and I do an East-coast tour, it will definitely 
> be on the Atlantis though :)
>
> If anyone wants to follow along, the best way it to check my Instagram 
> account at instagram.com/markreimer
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uE_Boz7xHBA/V3VqG01gJ5I/QtQ/abuO9n7frMUC6f2DLkLr2o0h2xcD3MOTgCLcB/s1600/Mark%2BDFL%2Bmuddy.jpeg>
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-VzjF1USj618/V3VqPsXaYVI/AAAAQtU/UL9N2JUUA2IL_7m3ePUw_J_rz6ePRenLACLcB/s1600/Crust%2BDFL%2Brainbow.jpeg>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 2:58:43 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> h hunky...that looks like a good choice in the backcountry
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 10:43:33 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm doesn't look like the photo worked. Here it is again:
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-O_JQ5d_qJQY/Vw0XieO4gMI/P9s/jLnK2SMeCcE2JEe0vfbqkL3Y9D96v4SbwCLcB/s1600/File_000.jpeg>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 4:49:02 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oooh new bike...this sounds exciting!...but I'm sure you want a 
>>>> thorough shakedown before you take it on a long adventure...any pictures 
>>>> of 
>>>> this bike?
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 11, 2016 at 4:24:54 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Tony, great photos.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trip planning is making slow progress. It looks like I won't have time 
>>>>> to ride the Icefields Parkway from Jasper to Banff before starting the 
>>>>> divide after all. The distance will just be too much. I think there was 
>>>>> some confusion between distances being referred to in miles vs kilometers 
>>>>> between me and some other guys in the group, and all of a sudden when I 
>>>>> plotted the GPS route I discovered my daily average would be about 140km 
>>>>> per day for 10 days straight. That's leaving no room for unexpected and 
>>>>> planned stops, weather, injury, gear malfunction and other delays.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, even though my flight is already booked into Edmonton, I'll be 
>>>>> renting a car and driving straight to Banff for the start. I'm hoping to 
>>>>> get in at least 20km of riding the first day so I can bush camp outside 
>>>>> of 
>>>>> town.
>>>>>
>>>>> The plan is still to ride the Atlantis, though I have also just 
>>>>> purchased a new bike this week: a Crust Evasion, or DFL as they will be 
>>>>> known moving forward. This is a new brand started by a friend of mine. I 
>>>>> toured with him on the Oregon Outback last year while he rode his 
>>>>> prototype 
>>>>> frame, so I had a lot of time to check it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a 26" Plus rigid frame, with clearance for 26" x 3" tires, or 
>>>>> 650b x 2.5. I'm tempted to bring this on the ride for the additional tire 
>>>>> width, but I won't even have the bike for at least another month, which 
>>>&g

[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #3

[Ryan Fleming]

I love the headbadge ! and I remember those bearclaw pedals...nice 
bike!...enjoy

On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 2:25:40 PM UTC-5, frank_a wrote:
>
> I picked up my Rosco this morning and got it built up in short order. I 
> used a mix of stuff I had around. I went with 58cm Bosco bars. The saddle 
> is a B72 and the tires are an old set of Continental Top Touring 47's. 
>  I built it up as a  non-aggressive cruiser. With that said, it also has 
> the feel of a fun and spirited neighborhood bomber. The big, round profile 
> tires are perfect. And yes. it rides like a Rivendell!
>  I'm glad I took the leap.  
>
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/8531240@N06/albums/72157668229592923
>
>  - Frank
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[Ryan Fleming]

As an FYI, it looks like RBW is matching donations from Rivendell members 
dollar-for-dollar until July 20, which is very generous of them

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Her most recent update isn't a good one: https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
> Sounds like she's getting run-down in the caregiver role. :-(
>
> On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 8:01:58 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> Jaquie P. has been posting more updates on Charlie's condition and 
>> recovery of late.
>>
>> Stop by when you have the time and continue to spread the word - 
>> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>>
>> - Jim / cyclofiend.com
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[Ryan Fleming]

I should correct what I said earlier...apologies

Riv will match up $1500.00 up to July 20...does not  seem to matter whether 
you're  a Riv customer or  not

>From Riv's post:

*Rivendell Bicycle Whorls RBW*
*18 hours ago *
<https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg?viewupdates=1&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_content=cta_button&utm_campaign=upd_n#>
  
<https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg?viewupdates=1&utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_content=cta_button&utm_campaign=upd_n#>

*OK now, here's a chance to give CC (via JP) a minor-major shove. From now 
until Wed-the-20th at 5pm, RBW will match all donations up to a maximum of 
$1,500. So...C & J could have $3K more by then. Have tried this in the past 
with almost no uptick, but consider that your $20 donation will actually 
add $40. Let's go! *


On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 10:37:13 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> As an FYI, it looks like RBW is matching donations from Rivendell members 
> dollar-for-dollar until July 20, which is very generous of them
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Her most recent update isn't a good one: 
>> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>> Sounds like she's getting run-down in the caregiver role. :-(
>>
>> On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 8:01:58 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>> Jaquie P. has been posting more updates on Charlie's condition and 
>>> recovery of late.
>>>
>>> Stop by when you have the time and continue to spread the word - 
>>> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>>>
>>> - Jim / cyclofiend.com
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: MKS urban pedals

[Ryan Fleming]

MKS Stream pedals are a nice option...no flip tab but there are teeth on 
both sides of the pedal and they're narrow...they may be a little  narrower 
than Sylvans  - about the width of high-grade MKS NJS models.Amazon has 
them as does Harris Cyclery for under $30.00. Bearings tend to be on the 
tight side...lube and adjustment may be required but otherwise they're very 
nice pedals. 

However, if you have wide feet...not so much of a good option

Ryan Fleming - Winnipeg

On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 9:22:01 AM UTC-5, Joey Korkames wrote:
>
> I second your assessment of the buttery smooth bearings.
> They feel like premium racing pedals and look great on any era of bike.
>
> One could always amputate the outer vanes of the flip tab with a hacksaw 
> and file if its too much.
>
> On Saturday, July 23, 2016 at 2:37:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I sold my pair, but while the Urbans are far better in quality than the 
>> GR 9s -- bearings and body are very good quality -- I disliked the larger 
>> flip tab -- the size actually made it harder to get into the straps. I now 
>> use a pair of GR 9s on the Dahon, and they work (for me) much better. FWIW.
>>
>> I see that MKS has a GR 10 model, that looks much like the 9. How is 
>> their quality compared to the Urbans (almost as good as the Keirin quality 
>> track pedals) and to the 9s (entry level)?
>>
>> (Bearings on the 9s: I basically dribble thick oil into the bearings, 
>> then let use wear them in to smoothness. The track pedal bearings are the 
>> best I've ever seen.)
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> I decided to just go with toe clips and my old sylvan pedals due to 
>>> being very clumsy off bike and constantly shredding my ankles and shins 
>>> with VP spiky platforms. Toe clips work better for me while spinning anyway.
>>>
>>> Looking to upgrade my sylvans though and get a bit narrower as well and 
>>> checking to see if anyone has these MKS urban platforms sitting around.
>>>
>>> - Ryan in Seattle
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are there a lot of Roadeos out there?

[Ryan Fleming]

I guess I have sort of the same issue with my 2001 custom Road which is 
fenderless right now. I won't commute to work on it because where I work, 
there's quite the rogue's gallery of people  lurking around "shopping" for 
 bikes and/or parts. But though I'm certainly not a fast clubby rider, I do 
enjoy the road bike with the drop bars (Nitto "Dream" bars), especially 
with those dreamy TRP levers  and now new to me Compass 32mm extra tires 
for longer (up to 50 mile) rides. Anyway, from what I've read, the Roadeo 
is , like my old custom, purely a road bike with   the predictable handling 
of all Rivs and maybe that's its best intended use...granted it's not gonna 
freak out on a little gravel. I would opt for B, but if you feel you don't 
ride it enough , you want to commute, you don't have to bring the kitchen 
sink with you and you have a secure parking spot, go for A. You have a 
beautiful bike there; if you get rid of it, I think you might feel a little 
seller's remorse.

Myself, I'm not ready to get rid of my road bike yet because it is 
fast,comfortable and  light riding (No, I don't know how much it weighs,but 
it rides light :) )

Ryan Fleming, Winnipeg

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 8:57:19 AM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I picked up a Roadeo frame from a list member this winter.  It's gorgeous, 
> wonderful, and fast.  I built it up using the group from my previous 
> gofast, a '97 Giordana Xl-Eco with Sachs New Success 8-speed Ergopower.
>
> The Roadeo is my second Riv; I have a '97 Road Standard that I've turned 
> into a 650b rando/touring bike.  So, I promised myself I'd leave the 
> fenders and racks off my Roadeo to keep it light.
>
> The problem is, I don't want to ride the Roadeo if it's raining or rained 
> recently since it doesn't have fenders; I don't want to get it (or myself) 
> dirty!  I have 4 other fendered bikes.
> ​Also, I don't ride it to commute to work because it only has a small 
> saddlebag; I can't take my change of clothes.  I have 4 other bikes that 
> can easily carry the load.
>
> I'm not a "roadie" and I don't do club rides; most of my riding is 
> commuting in town, riding gravel, trails, or touring.  I didn't ride the 
> Giordana much because its 57 cm frame turned out to be too small.  The 59 
> cm Roadeo frame solved the size issue, but it hasn't turned me into a 
> roadie yet.  :)
>
> So, I should:
> A) Add fenders and a larger saddlebag to the Roadeo so it can be used for 
> commuting?
> or,
> B) Just ride the Roadeo more in its natural habitat (pavement) and take a 
> day off from the gravel/trails?
>
>
> ​
> This was my initial build.  Since the photo session, I've:
> + changed the tires to 32 mm Panaracer Gravel King SKs 
> <http://www.panaracer.com/gravelkingsk> (from 38 mm Challenge Gravel 
> Grinders, spares from another bike)  I'd probably have preferred the slick 
> 32 mm GKs, but I found the knobby SKs on sale.
> + changed the crank to a Velo Orange Cyclotouriste 46/30 
> <http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/cranksets/cranks/grand-cru-50-4bcd-crankset-mkii.html>
>  (from 
> the 52/39 Sachs NS/Campy 135 mm BCD crank)
> + added a Gilles Berthoud 786 saddle bag, in matchy matchy dark grey 
> <http://www.internet-bikes.com/producten/original/gilles_berthoud_zadeltas_gb786bkf_24l_grijs_77466.jpg>
>  
> (purchased from a listmember).
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:25 AM, Nick Ybarra  > wrote:
>
>> Don, I believe I've got one of your old Roadeos, actually -- recently 
>> acquired by way of Bruce S -- and I'm loving it so far.  Currently, I'm 
>> running the 700x35c Kojaks it came with, but am thinking of switching to 
>> some slightly skinnier Compass tires or even some Ruffy Tuffys (I too am a 
>> roadie and only weigh 140lbs).  But yeah, with 44cm Noodles, the feel of 
>> the bike is so, so comfortable.  
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 11:47:52 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a Roadeo the first year they were available and it's been my 
>>> main and recently only bike. I have always enjoyed Grant's bikes, but I am 
>>> a roady. I use really skinny 700x28 Grand Bois tires pumped up 65f and 75r. 
>>> Seriosly, for most club riders, the Roadeo is probably the best bike 
>>> they could ever ride, especially on the fast, curvy downhills in the 
>>> Berkeley hills.
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[RBW] Re: What'r ye runnin' yer Compass Stampede Pass tire pressures at?

[Ryan Fleming]

I weigh a bit more than you do. 75psi rear and 70psi front; I have the 
Stampede Pass extralight. I feel I could drop a few pounds (both tire 
pressure and body weight :) ) however. I think some experimentation is 
required.

They're very nice supple tires; I think they're nicer riding than the 
32..Paselas they replaced 

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 12:34:32 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Wondering what is the lowest, cushiest, but still safe pressures people 
> are running these tires at?
>
> I don't have much experience with supple 700c tires so wondering.
> My only extensive experience on 700c is 120psi 25mm wide Gatorskins and 
> Armadillos.
> Don't know what to do with the Rivish 700c tires.
> I weigh 170.
> Road riding. No loads. I want max cush.
>

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Re: [RBW] New to her wifey bike

[Ryan Fleming]

Yeahthat green Brooks would look really awesome on that Soma...that is 
a really nice understated bike; your wife is very lucky
On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 at 7:37:07 PM UTC-6, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Or maybe this to complement the graphics:
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Brooks-Standard-Bicycle-Saddle-Apple/dp/B0048AR05G?tag=metaefficient-20
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2015, at 5:34 PM, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Amazing. What a bike!
>
> I think you need to add this to it:
>
> http://www.dmarge.com/2012/05/brooks-team-pro-white-cmwc-tokyo-saddle.html
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Riv content:  bought tires and grips from Rivendell for this build.  
> Miesha's cork grips and wire bead 650Bx42 Pasela PT - she does not want 
> flats.
>
> Yes, I know the right bar end is missing - it's still a work in progress
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Re: [RBW] 61x60 c-c Riv Custom San Diego CL $550

[Ryan Fleming]

Not strictly a custom from that era...and I think Grant had the tubing 
thicknesses tweaked as I recall. AR, Road standard (which this look like) 
and expedition all came with 753 (with decals en Francais) with 531 
forks...built by Waterford who were qualified by Reynolds for 
silver-brazing. $550 is a nice price
On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 9:25:12 PM UTC-6, Peter Adler wrote:
>
> Kind of an odd combination.
>
> Reynolds 753 (with a French label, no less!) is normally thought of as a 
> tubeset for lightweights; not a natural choice for a road (*not* touring) 
> frame for a big rider. 531 fork makes sense, but it's hard to see why they 
> wouldn't have used all 531. Maybe the original owner was rail-thin. 7-speed 
> rear in a 130 BCD triangle...hmm. Maybe somebody needs to drop those bars, 
> really drop that saddle, put a cassette wheel in and get a modern-ish 
> drivetrain on it.
>
> Peter Adler
> not my normal instinct, but let's get real
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 6:51:59 PM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Email sent! ;-) 
>> =- Joe Bunik 
>> "bringin' er home" 
>> Walnut Creek, CA 
>>
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Re: [RBW] touring hub and brake lever recommendation

[Ryan Fleming]

Agreed...nothing wrong with the Tiagra levers; they work great with M-bars. 
I use these on my X0-1 with the very nice Shimano CX-70 cantis. The TRP 
RRLs are great with road bars (Noodle or what have you)...the ergonomics 
and function are fantastic  as Tim says

On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 8:33:28 AM UTC-5, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> I love White Industries hubs. You get used to the sound, it also holds you 
> back from coasting all the time which can be a good thing. As for break 
> levers I would stick with the traditional shimano road brake levers that 
> RIv stocks. Absolutely nothing wrong with them and they work great on 
> mustache bars. 

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Re: [RBW] Fender pondering.....

[Ryan Fleming]

Yup I like those Berthouds with the leather mud flaps too. I have them on 
my AR  and also had them on my Road too but haven't been using them for a 
couple of years. Actually should put them back on the road because riding 
in the rain without fenders sucks. I think the Berthouds are actually the 
most aesthetically pleasing fenders of all the ones I've seen. The SKS ones 
I've had on my X0-1 for a long time (10 years? ) have held up without 
complaint; they're perfectly functional

On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 2:26:01 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
> You mention aluminum and wooden fenders, BUT…
>
>  
>
> I have Berthoud stainless steel fenders on my Atlantis (to be fair, it's 
> pewter-colored, so stainless isn't a bad match), complete with the Berthoud 
> leather mud flaps, and they are fantastic.  I (and Peter White, who knows a 
> hell of a lot more than I do) believe they're the toughest fenders out 
> there, and I think they look great, too – in a non-fussy, 
> elegantly-industrial kind of way.  With the thick leather mud flaps, you 
> couldn't ask for better rain and mud protection.  Also, despite Peter's 
> caveats below, I didn't find them difficult to install at all.  And they're 
> not absurdly expensive – around $75/pair, I think.
>
>  
>
> I have also installed a pair of Cody's (proprietor of Woody's Fenders) 
> compound wooden fenders on my SimpleOne (now in DC with my youngest son).  
> They were absolutely stunning (best looking fenders I have ever seen, by 
> far), but the rear developed a crack at the brake bridge within a month or 
> two of installation, despite my best efforts to avoid stress in the 
> installation.  Don't get me wrong – I love Cody's stuff, and I have sets of 
> his flat fenders on two other bikes, one of which (on my Quickbeam) has 
> been on there for thousands of miles and several years with no issues at 
> all.  I think the flat ones are very tough, but of course they provide less 
> protection because of their shape than a curved fender. 
>
>  
>
> Here's what Peter White has to say about the Berthoud stainless steels:
>
>  
>
> Gilles BERTHOUD 
>
> My best fenders are made by Gilles BERTHOUD 
> , in France. But they may not 
> be for everybody. The stainless steel versions take a bit of work to 
> install. But, once installed, they are very rugged, and give the best 
> protection against spray from the tires, particularly if you use their 
> optional leather mud flap in front. 
>
> The Berthoud fenders now come pre-drilled for the struts. You will have to 
> drill holes to mount the mud flaps, if you get mud flaps. 
>
> The stainless fenders come in a variety of sizes; 700c x 40mm, 700c x 
> 50mm, 700 x 60mm, 650 x 40mm, 650 x 50mm, 26" x 40mm, 26" x 50mm and 26 x 
> 60mm. The fenders are sold "a la carte". The optional leather mud flap is 
> only to be used with the Berthoud fenders. People have been asking if the 
> mud flap is suitable for use with Esge/SKS fenders. I don't recommend it, 
> since those fenders aren't as tough as the stainless Berthoud fenders, and 
> the wind acting on the flap may cause the SKS fenders to crack. 
>
> The Dreaded Fine Print 
>
> Of course, any fender will eventually crack due to the constant flexing 
> that happens while riding. While I have yet to see a report of a carbon 
> fiber fender breaking, it won't surprise me to see one fail eventually. The 
> Berthoud stainless fenders are clearly the most rugged full coverage fender 
> available that don't weigh as much as a bicycle. We get very few reports of 
> cracks with these. But we do get some, and most are on bikes that get 
> ridden many thousands of miles per year.* And a crack is not considered a 
> defect and is not covered by any warrantee. It's like a tire wearing out. 
> Some tires last longer than others, and some fenders last longer than 
> others. Berthoud stainless fenders are like very durable touring tires. 
> They'll last a long time. But eventually, they will wear out.
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2015 2:31 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> *Subject:* [RBW] Fender pondering.
>
>  
>
> Asking for help from the tribeI am starting to think I no longer want 
> plastic fenders gracing my Atlantis. For me they last about two years max, 
> with my fender sadism. Plasticky is icky, (except for Ortliebs) and all 
> that. I am curious to hear peoples reviews of wooden and aluminum fenders. 
> How long should I expect them to last (*I ride my Atlantis off road 
> occasionally*)?  I can get (wide 26") Velo Orange aluminum and powder 
> coat to match my frame, or spend an equal fortune to get the lovely 
> compound wooden ones. I am looking for durability first and foremost. I 
> have a sneaky suspicion that the wood would have a better fatigue life. *What 
> says the Riv Tribe*? 
>
>  
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>  
>
> Clayton (Bend)
>

Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Ryan Fleming]

Yup...I've seen Mark' beast of burden in action and yup , he hauls a lotta 
stuff on it. Doesn't   seem to slow him down appreciably, though

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 10:08:12 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Here's some of my personal best loads - a 40lb bag of wood stove pellets 
> tied down to my Nitto Campee using a wire shelf to distribute the load. A 
> Honda cb750 engine block in a pannier, 24 beers, and a cord of wood. The 
> bike handled quite well all things considered!
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:29:44 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I've been carrying heavyish rear grocery loads on Rivendells since 1997 
>> or so. The secret is to use a very stiff rack, and I had very good luck 
>> with the Tubus Fly -- 11 oz, rated to 44 lb, which I've maxed out. The 
>> Cargo model is rated to 80 lb, IIRC.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Fred Craven  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Front or rear?
>>>
>>> Now that I'm able to ride a reasonably short distance without cardiac 
>>> arrest, I desire to go to our local grocery store and pick up a few items 
>>> for dinner (and you can be sure that I will get wine cheese and baguettes 
>>> at least once).
>>>
>>> To facilitate this chore I will need "on bike" storage: most likely a 
>>> basket. But where to put it, front or rear? My Rivendell Road Bike is of 
>>> the generation where extra braze-ons were not standard fare. But that's not 
>>> a problem. I think a front basket looks awesome, but rear storage might be 
>>> more stable. As I'm utterly ignorant on the ramifications of this choice so 
>>> I welcome your opinions.
>>>
>>> The geometry is Riv-road, with a delightfully short top tube (thanks to 
>>> Joel). I'm not sure if that affects things, but that's the situation.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[Ryan Fleming]

Actually...that's a terrific idea...I'm sure Charlie Cunningham and Jacquie 
Phelan need all the help they can ge;  certainly more than I need a credit. 
Just waiting for RBW to email my customer # cause I can't remember what it 
is. I reread the interview in the RRwhat a tragedy!. I sure hope that 
he'll recover. But it surely must help that so many people are supportive 
and generous. 

Bless them both.

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 1:41:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Even more bump-worthy, you are now Rivendell incentivized to dig deeper 
> (in $20 increments)
>
> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/
>
> If you donate again, and this time do so with your Riv customer number in 
> your first name, Riv will give you half your donation as a Riv-credit. 
>  Their goal is that we as a group give $10,000 in total.  That's a pretty 
> good goal.  Rather than thinking of it as a donation-discount, I'm going to 
> think about it as matching.  When I donate $100, it's $50 of mine and $50 
> is RBW matching my donation.  
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 3:49:17 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Polite but determined bump, just in case some have missed it.  Some news:
>>
>> 1.  Jan did a very nice blog post about it:  
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/10/09/charlie-cunningham-needs-our-help/
>> 2.  They are at nearly 50% of their goal of $100k
>> 3.  Here's the URL:  https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>>
>> Consider donating and spreading the word if you haven't already. 
>>  Scanning the donors, our friend Harry Hugel has donated 4 times by my 
>> count.  
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 1:21:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>>>
>>> Charlie Cunningham suffered a head injury (among other injuries) in a 
>>> bike crash.  If you've ever felt the twang to thank Charlie for his 
>>> visionary contributions to cycling (particularly cycling off pavement), 
>>> this is a good opportunity to act on that twang.  
>>>
>>> thoughts, prayers, and a few dollars
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[Ryan Fleming]

Thanks for the tip, Jeff and Bill

On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 5:11:09 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>
> Assuming you've made an online purchase from RBW before, you can also 
> search your registered email for "www.rivbike.com Order Confirmation".
>
> Your customer ID number will be in the top right corner (HTML version) or 
> first line (plain text version) of the email.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 1:51:26 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> PSA:  How to find your Customer ID #
>>
>> You need to know: how to log in to your account on Rivbike.com
>> You need to have bought something in the last 3 years
>>
>> 1.  Go to www.rivbike.com
>> 2.  Scroll to the bottom, click My Account and log in
>> 3.  Click on "Print Invoices"
>> 4.  From the drop-down, select some time period in which you bought 
>> something, click Go
>> 5.  Next to each invoice is a "View or Change Order" button.  Pick one 
>> and click it
>> 6.  In the upper right you'll see in blue "print an invoice"
>> 7.  That pulls up a pop-up showing a pdf preview of that invoice.  Your 
>> customer number is in the upper left.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually...that's a terrific idea...I'm sure Charlie Cunningham and 
>>> Jacquie Phelan need all the help they can ge;  certainly more than I need a 
>>> credit. Just waiting for RBW to email my customer # cause I can't remember 
>>> what it is. I reread the interview in the RRwhat a tragedy!. I sure 
>>> hope that he'll recover. But it surely must help that so many people are 
>>> supportive and generous. 
>>>
>>> Bless them both.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 1:41:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Even more bump-worthy, you are now Rivendell incentivized to dig deeper 
>>>> (in $20 increments)
>>>>
>>>> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/
>>>>
>>>> If you donate again, and this time do so with your Riv customer number 
>>>> in your first name, Riv will give you half your donation as a Riv-credit. 
>>>>  Their goal is that we as a group give $10,000 in total.  That's a pretty 
>>>> good goal.  Rather than thinking of it as a donation-discount, I'm going 
>>>> to 
>>>> think about it as matching.  When I donate $100, it's $50 of mine and $50 
>>>> is RBW matching my donation.  
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 3:49:17 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Polite but determined bump, just in case some have missed it.  Some 
>>>>> news:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  Jan did a very nice blog post about it:  
>>>>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/10/09/charlie-cunningham-needs-our-help/
>>>>> 2.  They are at nearly 50% of their goal of $100k
>>>>> 3.  Here's the URL:  https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider donating and spreading the word if you haven't already. 
>>>>>  Scanning the donors, our friend Harry Hugel has donated 4 times by my 
>>>>> count.  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 1:21:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlie Cunningham suffered a head injury (among other injuries) in a 
>>>>>> bike crash.  If you've ever felt the twang to thank Charlie for his 
>>>>>> visionary contributions to cycling (particularly cycling off pavement), 
>>>>>> this is a good opportunity to act on that twang.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thoughts, prayers, and a few dollars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[Ryan Fleming]

Actually Miesha emailed me my customer#...so I donated and then emailed her 
back asking if Riv wouldn't mind donating my Riv  credit to the Cunningham 
fund

On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 10:07:50 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tip, Jeff and Bill
>
> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 5:11:09 PM UTC-5, sameness wrote:
>>
>> Assuming you've made an online purchase from RBW before, you can also 
>> search your registered email for "www.rivbike.com Order Confirmation".
>>
>> Your customer ID number will be in the top right corner (HTML version) or 
>> first line (plain text version) of the email.
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Los Angeles, CA USA
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 1:51:26 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> PSA:  How to find your Customer ID #
>>>
>>> You need to know: how to log in to your account on Rivbike.com
>>> You need to have bought something in the last 3 years
>>>
>>> 1.  Go to www.rivbike.com
>>> 2.  Scroll to the bottom, click My Account and log in
>>> 3.  Click on "Print Invoices"
>>> 4.  From the drop-down, select some time period in which you bought 
>>> something, click Go
>>> 5.  Next to each invoice is a "View or Change Order" button.  Pick one 
>>> and click it
>>> 6.  In the upper right you'll see in blue "print an invoice"
>>> 7.  That pulls up a pop-up showing a pdf preview of that invoice.  Your 
>>> customer number is in the upper left.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 1:00:57 PM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually...that's a terrific idea...I'm sure Charlie Cunningham and 
>>>> Jacquie Phelan need all the help they can ge;  certainly more than I need 
>>>> a 
>>>> credit. Just waiting for RBW to email my customer # cause I can't remember 
>>>> what it is. I reread the interview in the RRwhat a tragedy!. I sure 
>>>> hope that he'll recover. But it surely must help that so many people are 
>>>> supportive and generous. 
>>>>
>>>> Bless them both.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 14, 2015 at 1:41:19 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Even more bump-worthy, you are now Rivendell incentivized to dig 
>>>>> deeper (in $20 increments)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://rivbike.tumblr.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> If you donate again, and this time do so with your Riv customer number 
>>>>> in your first name, Riv will give you half your donation as a Riv-credit. 
>>>>>  Their goal is that we as a group give $10,000 in total.  That's a pretty 
>>>>> good goal.  Rather than thinking of it as a donation-discount, I'm going 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> think about it as matching.  When I donate $100, it's $50 of mine and $50 
>>>>> is RBW matching my donation.  
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 3:49:17 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Polite but determined bump, just in case some have missed it.  Some 
>>>>>> news:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.  Jan did a very nice blog post about it:  
>>>>>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2015/10/09/charlie-cunningham-needs-our-help/
>>>>>> 2.  They are at nearly 50% of their goal of $100k
>>>>>> 3.  Here's the URL:  https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consider donating and spreading the word if you haven't already. 
>>>>>>  Scanning the donors, our friend Harry Hugel has donated 4 times by my 
>>>>>> count.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 1:21:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charlie Cunningham suffered a head injury (among other injuries) in 
>>>>>>> a bike crash.  If you've ever felt the twang to thank Charlie for his 
>>>>>>> visionary contributions to cycling (particularly cycling off pavement), 
>>>>>>> this is a good opportunity to act on that twang.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thoughts, prayers, and a few dollars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Coffee outside.

[Ryan Fleming]

I sincerely hope both of you recover and get back on your bikesbut it 
is hard to be patient, I'm sure. Neither of you sound a bit like you are 
giving up though and that's good

Best of healing

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 10:23:17 AM UTC-5, Clayton wrote:
>
> Cecily, 
>
> My last easy bikepacking trip with my son has made me a whiny, whimpering 
> limper.   I have talked to a couple of folks here in town that have had 
> knee replacements that have said, "You'll know when it is time".  I will? 
>  I have had eleven or twelve surgeries on various injuries and am burned 
> out on going through the processUgh. I am now in knee conservation 
> mode. I only ride when I have to (without a car, it's still daily).  What 
> made you decide it was time? Your attitude is great!  I am excited for you! 
> Clayton
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 11:27:22 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting antsy. I want to ride NOW NOW NOW, but I know I need to let 
>> my muscles get stronger.  How are you fairing, Clayton? 
>>
>> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 8:28:02 AM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update Cecily. It sounds like you are recovering quickly. 
>>> That gives me hopeWORK HARD! 
>>> Clayton
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Ryan Fleming]

That's a nice-looking bike...blue's nice. How's the ride?

On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 4:33:02 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:
>
> Blue, different from the protos, not as dark. I'm liking it. The ferrules 
> are festive like Grant said they would be. 

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[RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Ryan Fleming]

Hmmm...interesting. BTW the brooks is a nice touch...the saddle would be 
the 1 thing I'd replace. Not that the stock one is crappy; I just find 
Brooks more comfortable. I think Riv did a really good thing here (no 
surprise)..great value at a decent price

*People know the price of everything and the value of nothing  - Oscar 
Wilde*

On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:
>
> I feel like I'm sitting inside the bike. I was a little worried there for 
> a while. Got it adjusted. Best, most natural riding position I've ever 
> experienced. Like walking, but on a bike. It took me 20 miles to figure it 
> out. 
>
> That's the way it comes, everything but the Brooks seat came with the 
> bike. Grips and kickstand included. 
>
> On Monday, October 26, 2015 at 9:04:03 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
>> That's a nice-looking bike...blue's nice. How's the ride?
>>
>> On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 4:33:02 PM UTC-5, El Sapo wrote:
>>>
>>> Blue, different from the protos, not as dark. I'm liking it. The 
>>> ferrules are festive like Grant said they would be. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS LongLow F/F/HS

[Ryan Fleming]

That seems to be a pretty sweet deal to me...someone should be all over 
this. Frame looks like it's in nice shapeyeah, sure a 17 year-old frame 
but it's a classic for someone looking for this size. I actually like the 
plainer lugs

On Tuesday, October 27, 2015 at 11:55:59 PM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>
> For Sale:
>
> Rivendell LongLow 
> ST 59.5cm CTT, TT 58cm CTC.
> Joe Starck Built, Joe Bell Paint
> Canti brake posts.  Also has provision for side pulls at fork and seat 
> stay.
>
> Clearance for 35mm tires with fenders.  35mm Kojaks with SKS have good 
> clearance.  I was running 36mm tires with Planet Bike fenders with no rub, 
> but clearance was tighter. 33" standover.
>
> The bicycle is in Edmonton AB Canada.  Canada Post/USPS shipping seems to 
> be around CAD$150.  Assuming I've calculated the shipping correctly, how 
> about US$750 shipped CON/USA?  If I have got the rates wrong, it would have 
> to ship FedEx Ground. Canadian buyers would get a discount for the 
> difference of shipping.  
>
> Frame is in very nice condition. Comes with Stronglight A9 Needle Bearing 
> Headset.  Headset has some not too noticeable tool marks from a roadside 
> adjustment using a plumber's wrench.  Jaws were not well enough protected. 
>   Frame and fork have the usual nicks and chips, but no dents.  Condition 
> is generally excellent.  Beautiful paint job.  858 OS top tube, 969 OS 
> downtube.  Similar to the Rambouillet, but USA made and Joe Bell paint.
>
> I bought the frame in 2012 and built it up.  See post:  
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/longlow/rbw-owners-bunch/xgGr_x3hEl8/SZClpi0qu6cJ
>
> The frame is a little big for me.  Would be interested in some manner of 
> trade for a Rawland ML rSogn.
>
> Ian A/Edmonton Canada.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tail wind, head wind

[Ryan Fleming]

Welcome to our world in windy Winnipeg...unfortunately our urban canopy is 
pretty bare and  stark right now...butI love fall; it's  my favourite 
riding season, especially when the leaves are turning.

I prefer a headwind going out and usually find wind picks up in the 
afternoon, then it's great to get a push home

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 1:21:01 PM UTC-5, JohnS wrote:
>
> Yesterday I got out for a really nice ride of about 38 miles. The day 
> had an overcast sky with temps around 50, which made for a pleasant if not 
> cool ride. We're in the middle of fall here in eastern PA with all the 
> trees in various shades of oranges, reds, yellows and browns. My ride 
> started out very well. I felt great and was making it up hills in the 
> cruising gear on the Quickbeam. I thought that I must be getting in better 
> shape since some of the hills seamed easier than they had been earlier in 
> the season. That all changed when I got to the mid point of the ride and 
> turn east onto Lyon Valley road into a head wind. Ugh! No wonder why the 
> hills were easier, I had a tail wind the whole way up to that point and the 
> rest of the ride would more or less be into a head wind. I don't know which 
> is worse, to ride into a head with the hope that I'll have a tail wind for 
> the ride home or finding out that my sudden improvement in performance was 
> only due to a gentle push from behind by a tail wind. 
>  
> Hope you're enjoying the fall weather for riding as well,
> JohnS
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clems have shipped!

[Ryan Fleming]

I bet  your oldest son won't let you take waay to long to build it upif 
he's anything like my kid was

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 2:42:45 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I am building mine as a first 26 inch size bike as my boys grow into that 
> size. The first one 9 years old) will get it as soon as I get it built up, 
> assuming he can fit!
> Cockpit: dirt drop stem and swept back bars so that he can reach. Cotton 
> grips. 
> Shifting: simple thumbie for a 1x8 with Altus derailer. 
> Crank: 165mm, 36t and a chainguard. 
> Cassette: shimano 11-30
> Wheels: basic wheels from Taylor wheels. Thank you strong dollar. Basic 
> shimano Dynamo hub up front. 
> Tires: Pasela 26x1.75 (the smallest I should go, said Riv, but I want to 
> keep this bike small). 
> Dynamo hub up front. 
> Brakes Avid v brakes. 
> Levers shimano mountain. 
> Fenders: p55 sks
> Lights: b and m lyt up front, topline plus on back
> Racks: working on that. I have a pletscher for the rear and a Gamoh porter 
> for the front, but might be too much. 
>
> Looking forward to getting this thing and taking wy too long to build 
> it up. 
>
> Edwin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tail wind, head wind

[Ryan Fleming]

True that...that has happened to me too

On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 6:41:09 PM UTC-5, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> I'd rather have a tailwind on the way out.  I more often than not find the 
> headwind I fought on the way out didn't turn into a tailwind for the return.
>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone order a Joe?

[Ryan Fleming]

This is probably a silly question but those bolts on the fork crown...are 
they there for mounting some of those front racks? I'm sure they're there 
for a reason and I can't think what else it would be

On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 4:08:40 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I've just seen the photos of the bike and fork crown.  I've ridden a few 
> different long chainstay prototypes at RBWHQ, but not the one pictured on 
> the BLUG.  I knew I'd be in on a long-stay bike sooner or later.  Those 
> bikes are for being happy.  I like being happy, so I had to get one.  Folks 
> who don't remember how to smile on a bike tend to frown at the Appaloosa 
> for one reason or another.  I can't ride one of the recent Riv "cruisers" 
> without smiling, and the Appaloosa I can't even look at without smiling.  
>
> Three things pushed me over.  First the handlebar is too rad for words. 
>  Second, I think the decal artwork is fantastic, to go with an already 
> awesome headbadge.  Third, the fact that they are going to be sold out on 
> pre-sale 55s pretty quick.  I figured I could be one of the 
> self-congratulators or one of the kicking-my-self-ers. 
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 1:42:35 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray 
> wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I assume you saw the bike and fork crown? What pushed you over? Did you 
>> take it for a test ride? Would love to hear your impressions. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Chris
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: It was a nice day for...

[Ryan Fleming]

Couldn't agree more but I tend to draw the line at thunderstorms with 
lightning...especially out in the prairie

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 2:05:52 PM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:
>
> 1. A ride on the QB - The forecast for Thursday was for 70% chance of 
> precipitation, so a good excuse not to paint the exterior trim around our 
> front door.
>  
> 2. Fenders - There was a chance for light rain but not down pours, so on 
> went the fenders. I had taken them off back in the spring when I mounted 
> the folding Pasela tires on the QB. Didn't need them until now.
>  
> 3. Wool socks - The fenders kept most of the rain from splashing up on me, 
> but my feet still got wet. None the less, the wool socks did the job at 
> keeping my feet comfortable.
>  
> 4. Light weight rain coat - When I started the ride it wasn't raining, so 
> this simple rain coat from LL Bean folds up and is easily stored in the 
> Shop Sack. I had to put it on about 5 miles into the ride when it went from 
> a light drizzle to a steady light rain. I wore it for about another 5 miles 
> when it stopped, just before a long gradual climb, off it came, a quick 
> shake to get the water off and back into the Shop Sack it went. I wore it 
> again near the end of the ride when the drizzle picked up again.
>  
> 5. Tail light - this is a strap on Bontrager which uses a USB cable to 
> connect to my laptop for charging. I like how it has a low and high setting 
> for each of the modes. I went with the steady flash in the high beam 
> setting when it was raining.
>  
> 6. Cycle cap - This one is also from Bontrager, LBS is Trek dealer so they 
> have a good selection of Bontrager accessories. It fits under my helmet 
> comfortably and the flaps can be folded up to expose my ears to help 
> regulate my body temp.
>  
> 7. Post ride hot shower, dry clothes and hot coffee - Goes with out 
> saying, but after 38 miles of cool damp/wet riding, they felt great!
>  
> Moral of the story, try not to let a little rain stop you from getting out 
> for a great ride. Just be prepared and enjoy the time in the saddle!
>  
> JohnS
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The original Riv mixte

[Ryan Fleming]

Also ..you could get a Mark Nobilette custom Glorius painted by Riv's local 
painter for $3000 at one time.  so NIB Wilbury for $2100  by Toyo...might 
be a tad pricey but less than 3K I'd pick a different colour though like a 
maroon or oxblood

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/110929133654/things-in-the-works-hey-please-buy-a-t-shirt
  


And I'm still holding out for that custom Mixte...just have to do the 
measurements and fill out the form but I got the price of the frame + some 
parts in US $  when the loonie was a couple of cents higher than it is now

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 10:56:25 AM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
> Well, the current price on a Homer or Atlantis is $2300, and the Wilbury 
> was likely more complicated to build (mixte frame, incredibly intricate 
> lugs), so you're probably right that it's not out of line.  It really is a 
> beautiful frame.  
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *
> cyclot...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 16, 2015 11:51 AM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: The original Riv mixte
>
>  
>
> Beautiful colors on it. 
>
>  
>
> Maybe not that bad a price for NIB never built?
>
>  
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 7:29:29 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>
> Very pretty, but a bit pricey.  
> http://hartford.craigslist.org/bik/5250204541.html
>
>  
>
> The owner has tried selling this several times on craigslist in the last 
> few years, I'm pretty sure.
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[RBW] Re: A snowy Clem

[Ryan Fleming]

Very classy...but you usually do have very nicely built-up bikesthose 
clems are starting to grow on me a bit

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:33:14 PM UTC-6, spru...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> Here are a few shots of my Clem out in the snow. I'll take some better 
> pictures later, but I wanted to document how the first build turned out.
>
> This is a 59 cm, blue frame. As others have testified, the ride is plush 
> and stable. I am a bit over 6'3" with short legs and a long torso, and the 
> fit is comfy.
>
> One feature that really grabs my attention is the generous space at the 
> widest point between the tire and seat tube. On this setup, it measures 
> almost 13 cm. The distance really speaks to the long chain stays. By 
> contrast, that same space on my road custom is only 3 cm (and when we 
> discussed the design, Grant commented on the "stretched" chain stays). On 
> my '71 Cinelli and '73 Paramount the corresponding gap is about 3.5 cm. The 
> angle of the seat post and the tire profile must affect this measurement 
> too, but it's one I never really noticed before.
>
> Anyway, here's a link to the pictures:
>
> http://1drv.ms/1luwlOH
>
>
> David Sprunger
>
> Fargo, ND
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Leather Saddles (3) - all NEW

[Ryan Fleming]

hmmm...yes latest Brooks I bought was a Standard and I think it was a Selle 
Italia and the giveaway is that you don't see England under Brooks on the 
nameplate

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:27:29 PM UTC-6, Dave Hallerman wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have three totally new Brooks leather saddles for sale. I'm the original 
> owner of all three, but at this point, they might be surplus to my 
> requirements...might be. Note that "totally new" means never mounted, never 
> Proofided (is that a verb?), stored inside, in perfect condition, in 
> original boxes.
>
> And both B.17s are the older, pre-Selle Italia models -- which in my 
> opinion have much nicer leather and last far longer than the current stock 
> of B.17s.
>
> *Info & Prices*
> Brooks B.17 Champion Special, titanium rails, antique brown = $212
> Brooks B.17 Standard, steel rails, honey = $100
> Brooks Swift, titanium rails, black (with saddle cover) = $230
>
> Prices do not include shipping, although I'll pay for Priority Mail 
> shipping if you cover the PayPal fee and don't require the original boxes. 
> And let's talk about a discount if you buy two or more.
>
> Some pix are linked below, more pix quickly available, and questions 
> readily answered.
>
> Dave, who still has Brooks saddles on all of his bikes and that likely 
> won't change any time soon
>
> *B.17 Ti - brown*
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/brooks_brown_01a.jpg
> *B.17 Steel - honey*
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/brooks_honey_01a.jpg
> *Swift Ti - black*
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/24440195/brooks_black_02a.jpg
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[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[Ryan Fleming]

I think it is a 1996/1997 and the $1350 asking price is about the same as 
it was then  (1.2-1.35K). Nice as the frame is,I don't believe it's a 
custom and  $1350 might be a big ask... 

On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 6:56:31 AM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Nice looking bike. You can date it by the serial # on the bottom bracket. 
> The usual Waterford dating method is used.  Yours has no head tube 
> extension and appears to have a level TT, so an earlier date might be 
> right. Possibly repainted along the way, because it has later DT decals.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford Rivendell Road Standard/Custom

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Ron

I was not intending to be rude but I'm sorry if it came across that way. 
That's a beautiful bike and I was just thinking that you might not get that 
price...but then again, you might. I paid about the same as your asking 
price for my 1997 A/R which came with a headset installed and if I was 
going to sell itnot...I would expect a  lot of people would balk if I 
asked for  the price I paid. On the other hand, to a collector, it could 
easily be worth r more. Whatever happens, the early Rivendells are lovely 
bikes and I hope it goes to a good home and somebody rides it. 

Again , my apologies...I was not dissing you or your bike. I'm from 
Winnipeg, where people love a bargain , so I hope you'll excuse me

Regards

On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 10:47:47 PM UTC-6, rw1911 wrote:
>
> Wow.  A lot of unexpected, but lively and good discussion here, but now 
> it's seeming to get a bit off-topic.
>
> Back on topic...  to address a few points that I have received privately 
> and on the list related to this particular frame, or complete bike if you 
> choose:
>
> Model: I'm 99% sure this is a '96/97 Road Standard, but there is 1% of me 
> that wonders if it is a Custom because it doesn't 100% meet the specs I 
> have been able to find.  Probably just a variance in manufacturing though.  
> As far as I can tell the paint is original, showing great care with a some 
> patina. Truly excellent for a nearly 20 year old frame.
>
> Tire clearance:  I'm currently running Grand Bois Cypress 700x30 which 
> IMHO are pretty large for a 700c *road* bike.  They are a true 30mm wide 
> unlike many tires that measure much smaller than stated. (My 700x35 
> Marathon Racers are not even 30)  This is the maximum size on this frame 
> due to vertical clearance.  There may be other, wider tires with a lower 
> profile that may fit, but the dimensions of the current tires are the max.  
> Someone commented that 30's are small for the Riv crowd. Define Riv 
> crowd... Grant has slowly moved from sporty versatile bikes to overbuilt 
> all terrain vehicles and commuter bikes.
>
> Why am I selling:  As stated in my original post, I own a Rambouillet.  
> It's a great bike but I find it a bit dead feeling.  I acquired the Road 
> Standard in hopes that it would be the same as my Ram but more lively.  
> What I found is that its much more lively, a little too much so for 
> preference due to my weight.  If I could split the difference between the 
> Ram and the Road, I would be Goldilocks.
>
> Price: A new Waterford US built Rodeo (the most similar current Riv 
> offering) is 2300 plus a few moths wait.  Two similar sized Rambouillets 
> (Toyo built in Japan, super high quality) have recently sold for ~1050 at 
> auction.  I would consider this slightly more desirable than the Rams for 
> being US built and Rivendell branded. That said, I am reasonably negotiable 
> for a serious buyer.  One poster commented that they thought the price was 
> out of line.  That's fine and their opinion, but poor etiquette. If you're 
> honestly interested, PM or email me and we can discuss something that works 
> for both of us.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving.
>
> Best,
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 8:46:53 PM UTC-5, rw1911 wrote:
>>
>> For Sale: 61cm Waterford USA built Rivendell Road Standard, maybe a 
>> custom, but I have not been able to validate either way so let's call it a 
>> Road Standard. I believe from 1996/97.  Built with Reynolds 753 tubing with 
>> a 531 fork.  The frameset can accommodate up to a 30mm Grand Bois Cypress 
>> tire. (shown) 
>>
>> Wonderful condition with only minor marks.  Absolutely no dents or rust.  
>> The photo shows a complete bike, but I am looking to sell as a frame and 
>> fork with a period Shimano headset.  The price is $1350 plus shipping.
>>
>> Here is some information on the Road Standard from Cyclofiend:
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_roadstandard.jpg
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>>
>> If a complete bike is desired, I can accommodate that with a very nice 
>> Rivendell build.  Just let me know and we can work out some options and 
>> price.  I'm not looking for any trades, but could *possibly* be enticed by 
>> a Hunqapillar or Bombadil.  Please contact direct/off-list.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My First Date With Clementine

[Ryan Fleming]

I have to say those bikes are  growing on me. I like the black a lot and 
the OEM parts...Silver cranks and the Clem hubs are good-looking. They're 
great bikes and it's awesome to see more affordable Rivs.  I really like 
the shot of the bike with the box of Clementine oranges over the rear wheel

On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 9:17:16 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
>
> 
> Although I've heard about the legendary packing kung fu of Rivendell, this 
> is my first Riv bike, and I was duly impressed. I had it delivered to a 
> friend's health food store, and I walked over there with a few tools and 
> put it together. My first ride was in the dark and under a light but steady 
> rain.
>
> This is really a beautiful bicycle. The Clementine design is well-suited 
> to both the combination of lugs and tig welding and the upright bullboscos. 
> The step through design, the wide tires, and the elegant glossy black paint 
> somehow combine into a machine that is classy, convivial, and a touch 
> bad-ass all at once.
>
> In terms of the ride, I only went to the taco shop and over to another 
> friend's gallery to help out a bit, so I have just an all too brief initial 
> impression. It felt very cruiser like, in all the positive connotations of 
> that word--smooth, steady, predicable, but also plenty speedy and loads of 
> fun. Grabbing the Bosco V allowed for a slightly sportier stance. With the 
> gearing on this bicycle I will have no trouble taking it up the fire road 
> to the top of Mt. Beacon, and the V brakes should be more than fine for the 
> descent. It should also be great for towing my son on his Piccolo. 
>
> Although I plan to keep the bicycle mostly stock throughout the winter, I 
> did try on a leather saddle. The stock saddle was fine for a short ride, 
> but the medium gray just kind of stands out, and s a bit on the cushy side. 
> On the other hand, it was nice not to have to track down a saddle cover or 
> ride with a plastic bag. The plastic pedals are kind of amazing so 
> far--much more grippy than  my Grip Kings, even with the slippery soles of 
> my engineering boots in the rain. The V brakes were also great in the wet, 
> and unlike the discs on my Big Dummy, the Vs were silent. I also think the 
> Vs are aesthetically pleasing on this bike. The Altus with the 15t pulley 
> is also scaled well for the Clem.
>
> I look forward to appointing my Clementine over the next week or so, to 
> prepare it to become my main commuter. I already have the Cascadia ALX 27.5 
> wide fenders, and I will move the Piccolo's Moose rack over as soon as I 
> can  fabricate longer flat bar connectors. Being a tire snob, I was 
> planning to order a pair of Switchbacks, but I may hold off until spring. 
> I'm waiting for Surly to start shipping the 8 pack rack for the 
> front--barring any brake issues, it should be just the thing as a basket 
> platform. I am gathering the parts to build a dyno front wheel (though 
> having trouble sourcing the Alex D18 in 650B). Also, if I poke a hole in 
> the handlebar grips, that should make them easier to put on, no? They've 
> only made it half way so far. That's why the handlebars look even longer 
> than normal! 
>
> A few quick indoor pics apres ride:
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/znGHuewtAJwfXAbB8
>
>
>

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