Re: [RBW] Expert level bike commuting strategies?

[Philip Barrett]

One thing to add - you can have Strava auto-pause when you stop.

https://support.strava.com/hc/en-us/articles/216919277-Auto-Pause

On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 12:21:40 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Enjoy the new adventure! I love commuting by bike. Everyone has said 
> wonderful things, but I’d like to add something: just get a dynamo system 
> and ditch the rechargeables. This has made a huge difference for me having 
> just a couple less things to worry about charging.
>
> A clear, resonant bell. I have a Crane Suzu and people reeaaalllyyy hear 
> it. I’m always ringing it to let people know where I am and it just works. 
> Wonderfully. 
>
> It’s been said but wool makes a difference. I wear wool socks from 
> SmartWool year round and I love them and the warmth/cooling they provide. I 
> also have a WoolyWarm sweater (obsessed!) and the Dottie Wool gloves. I 
> won’t win any awards for looking good, but I’m always cozy on my bike. 
>
> I also suggest racks/a trailer. Why add more weight you ask? I never, ever 
> need to wear a bag and can run the usual errands with little or no planning 
> because I can just throw stuff on my racks. The planning comes when I need 
> to haul more and have to plan around having my B.O.B.
>
> And attached is my current setup for commuting, riding, and plain fun. 
> Enjoy yourself out there!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Dallas Texas Riv Riders Meet Up

[Philip Barrett]

Sorry I missed you guys, definitely a Platypus sized hole in those picture!

On Sunday, June 25, 2023 at 3:10:28 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Four area Rivendell owner / riders finally synched up our schedules this 
> Sunday morning to ride together.
>
> Jim and Jim were on their Roadini's.
> Luis rode his Homer Hilsen.
>
> I, (Paul) rode my Sam Hillborne.
>
> We got in 27 and 30 miles depending on our routes to White Rock Lake 
> before heat/heat index got too brutal.
>
> It pays to start early during Texas summers as mid afternoon heat can get 
> to you and be dangerous.
>
> It was great to ride together.
>
> Hopefully next meet up Philip can join us on his Platypus soon
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>

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[RBW] Re: To trade or sell or improve, my 50cm 1988 Bridgestone MB-1

[Philip Barrett]

The MB-1 was designed as an uncompromising racer so the geometry is 
deliberately aggressive. Fantastic piece of equipment though with that 
wonderful Tange Prestige frame. Yours looks to be mostly original with the 
exception of the rims?

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 7:00:11 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:

> Lee,
>
> I will share our experiences: we bought his/her 90's era Trek 930 ATBs 
> during the pandemic as project bikes.  They both had close-to-level top 
> tubes, much like your MB-1.  I ended up buying a pair of 
> threaded-to-threadless stem adapters and then installing shorter (and 
> upright) threadless stems to both raise and shorten the reach.  Be advised 
> the specific Treks we had required a slightly larger diameter adapter vs. 
> the more common 22.2mm (quill) diameter.  Measure your existing quill stem 
> and perhaps order the appropriate sized adapter.  The adapters use the 
> almost standard 9/8" diameter size to attach threadless stems.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Jeff
>
> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 3:42:44 PM UTC-4 Lee T wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I've had this MB-1 since 2007 when I lived in the desert in California. 
>> I'm its second owner. I don't ride it very much and it's taking up a lot of 
>> space in my studio apartment, lol. I wanted a Susie Longbolts but couldn't 
>> afford it, and purchased a lovely Clem "L" large off this list a year ago 
>> and really love it. I also have a Bianchi San Jose singlespeed 58cm already.
>>
>> My MB-1s a 50cm and the geometry really annoys me. I have to lean way too 
>> far over to reach the handlebars, plus i wonder if the frame is too small. 
>> I mostly do singletrack on my Clem with 2.3 Thunder Burt tires. I live in 
>> Brooklyn so it's hard to find as many mountain bike opportunities anyway 
>> beyond stealth city park biking. 
>>
>> I coveted the Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone but wonder how different 
>> it would really be from my Clem. In any case, I've been trying to figure 
>> out if I should just sell the MB-1 or if I should get some north road bars 
>> or something and try those? As far as I know, I have almost all the 
>> original parts on the bike minus the seat, so maybe I should sell this to 
>> someone for whom this is their dream bike and just be thankful I have two 
>> nice bikes already? Not sure!
>>
>> Thanks for any opinions.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Handlebar Recommendations Pls?

[Philip Barrett]

You know, my old Dutch riding buddy Hans Der Barrs! He was fast in his 
day...

Actually I'm currently using a set of Boscos on my Platypus, lovely & 
upright but due to my Piriformis issues I feel like I need to be a little 
more canted forward to take some pressure off the sit bones.

The choices out there are overwhelming quite frankly. Maybe the Wavie but 
IDK, what do you think?

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Recommendations Pls?

[Philip Barrett]

Apologies for the tardy reply, Spectrum decided we didn't want internet 
last night! But wow, thanks Garth & everyone else for your thoughtful & 
insightful responses. I do think that stretched out more is going to be the 
1 st step here and the bars will be part of that. I also have a collection 
of saddles including less supportive ones (which sounds counter-intuitive I 
know) so part 2 will be to try that as well. 

I'll be the only Platypus rider in the drops!
On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 8:04:06 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Having experience with debilitating inner sit bone pain, what worked for 
> me is going long(stretched) and low and using your quadriceps more, which 
> may involve moving your saddle forward and even a different saddle that 
> favors that favors that position. Much more of a road like position, but 
> with your hands level or even slightly above saddle height. In using your 
> quads more, pushing hard, that naturally takes pressure off the butt and 
> the hands at the same time. That's how pro road racers can ride with narrow 
> saddles and road bars on narrow tires even on cobblestones, they're 
> exerting so much power with their quads that it rather alleviates butt and 
> hand pressure. It's just not road riders that do that, it's riders of all 
> genres that push down on the pedals hard.
>
> If your quads aren't particularly strong or more like, unfamiliar with 
> loading them up, even simply laying on your back and bending your knees 
> towards you, and raising up your torso, making yourself like a ramp, does 
> wonders. 
>
> The general rule of thumb I grew up with as a subjectively ideal riding 
> position, when you're in your long and low position, the font hub should 
> either be hidden or behind the middle of the bar at the stem. This was with 
> drop bars , but it works too with the Albatross bars I have, the middle of 
> the bar is a little forward of the hub when I look down. I have a 13cm stem 
> on the Bombadil, which also has an atypically longer TT and reach than all 
> other regular chainstay Rivs. 
>
> I know all that seems complicated, and it need not be. Just Be Happy 
> and which Way ;)
>

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar Recommendations Pls?

[Philip Barrett]

@Roberta - I'd responded to your PM, check your email & LMK if it didn't 
come through?



On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 6:42:57 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> Instead of switching out the bars, I’d experiment on a ride by grabbing 
> the more forward part of the handlebars. If that alleviates the issue, then 
> I’d even say a longer stem might do the trick. Then I’d go to bars. Just a 
> thought. 
> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 7:12:44 AM UTC-6 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Apologies for the tardy reply, Spectrum decided we didn't want internet 
>> last night! But wow, thanks Garth & everyone else for your thoughtful & 
>> insightful responses. I do think that stretched out more is going to be the 
>> 1 st step here and the bars will be part of that. I also have a collection 
>> of saddles including less supportive ones (which sounds counter-intuitive I 
>> know) so part 2 will be to try that as well. 
>>
>> I'll be the only Platypus rider in the drops!
>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 8:04:06 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Having experience with debilitating inner sit bone pain, what worked for 
>>> me is going long(stretched) and low and using your quadriceps more, which 
>>> may involve moving your saddle forward and even a different saddle that 
>>> favors that favors that position. Much more of a road like position, but 
>>> with your hands level or even slightly above saddle height. In using your 
>>> quads more, pushing hard, that naturally takes pressure off the butt and 
>>> the hands at the same time. That's how pro road racers can ride with narrow 
>>> saddles and road bars on narrow tires even on cobblestones, they're 
>>> exerting so much power with their quads that it rather alleviates butt and 
>>> hand pressure. It's just not road riders that do that, it's riders of all 
>>> genres that push down on the pedals hard.
>>>
>>> If your quads aren't particularly strong or more like, unfamiliar with 
>>> loading them up, even simply laying on your back and bending your knees 
>>> towards you, and raising up your torso, making yourself like a ramp, does 
>>> wonders. 
>>>
>>> The general rule of thumb I grew up with as a subjectively ideal riding 
>>> position, when you're in your long and low position, the font hub should 
>>> either be hidden or behind the middle of the bar at the stem. This was with 
>>> drop bars , but it works too with the Albatross bars I have, the middle of 
>>> the bar is a little forward of the hub when I look down. I have a 13cm stem 
>>> on the Bombadil, which also has an atypically longer TT and reach than all 
>>> other regular chainstay Rivs. 
>>>
>>> I know all that seems complicated, and it need not be. Just Be Happy 
>>> and which Way ;)
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[Philip Barrett]

What are those water bottles, they're the dingo's breakfast!

On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 3:14:55 AM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:

> The inverse problem here in Australia! I have been waiting for it to be 
> cool enough to enjoy riding without worrying about bushfires and snakes. 
> Headed to the southwest and did some amazing trails that are popping up 
> around Margaret River like mushrooms[image: cows.jpg][image: 
> appaMRwadandi.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, 16 March 2021 at 03:13:27 UTC+8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You are brave, not even 30 genres here in MA.  Great looking bike. 
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 1:36 PM Austin Plocher  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Got out on a nice 60 miler yesterday along the Henry Hudson in NJ. First 
>>> long ride with a bit of climbing on the Roadini, felt great. Lil' windy on 
>>> the open roads but it carried us home on the way back. Need a matchy matchy 
>>> water bottle, something Burgundy I'm thinking.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8756.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 9:24:20 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 Beautiful shot, you are truly blessed to live in such a beautiful place 
 On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 12:21 AM Jason Fuller  
 wrote:

> It rained all day today here in Vancouver, but towards sunset I saw 
> blue sky on the west horizon so I grabbed the Bombadil and headed for 
> somewhere tranquil (within the city) to enjoy a porter and watch the sun 
> set (and ducks go about their business) 
>
> [image: PXL_20210315_021519445.jpg] 
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Re: [RBW] I Wish I Were...

[Philip Barrett]

Linus "The Sac", I steal them from the wife's bike. They're heavy canvas 
with a magnet to hold closed, just clip onto the top rail so a quick on/off 
& the grocery store checker just fills them direct from the belt.

https://www.linusbike.com/products/the-sac?variant=16924359556

On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:27:52 PM UTC-5 James Tensuan wrote:

> Who made those panniers? I'd love to get a pair for my LHT.
>
> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 7:33:13 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You're welcome.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 6:16:33 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Now I've got that song stuck in my head.  Thanks a lot...
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 4:22:59 PM UTC-4 zac.te...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah yeah that's rad. I originally thought it was made out of a serape 
>>>> blanket and I got excited hah
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 1:08:29 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My hands-down favorite bag of this type is from Revelate Designs:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/cockpit/MountainFeedbag
>>>>>
>>>>> I generally use it to carry a camera so I can grab it and shoot on the 
>>>>> fly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Killer feature on this bag is the one-handed loose/tight adjustment. 
>>>>> It only takes one hand to loosen or tighten the cinch at the top of the 
>>>>> bag. Chrome makes a similar bag, but it requires two hands to loosen it, 
>>>>> which is a pain when you’re riding. The Etsy bag looks like it requires 
>>>>> two 
>>>>> hands to open it (but only one to tighten).
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH, the Etsy bag is certainly more colorful!
>>>>>
>>>>> --Eric “Never Rides No Hands” Norris
>>>>> campyo...@me.com
>>>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Philip Barrett  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice folks on etsy - 
>>>>> https://www.etsy.com/listing/861259964/day-tripper-cockpit-bicycle-bag-give?ref=yr_purchases
>>>>>
>>>>> Price was great too.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 1:19:24 PM UTC-5 zac.te...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> love the stem bag! where'd you get it? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 10:50:16 AM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't know that was still around.  Dates back to the 50s.  Maybe 
>>>>>>> they use the same preservatives on the vehicle as in the hotdogs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dougP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 9:44:59 AM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the chuckle. 
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 30, 2021 at 12:24:05 PM UTC-4 
>>>>>>>> philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...an Oscar Mayer Weiner
>>>>>>>>> That is what I truly wish to be
>>>>>>>>> Cause if I were a oscar mayer weiner
>>>>>>>>> Everyone would be in love
>>>>>>>>> Oh everyone would be in love
>>>>>>>>> Everyone would be in love with me
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: PXL_20210330_153846291.jpg]
>>>>>>>>> [image: PXL_20210330_153908812.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

gt;>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You might be in luck.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:03:49 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oh my... 50-cm Platypus Mermaid is sold out before 3:02pm 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (EDT). I missed out... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 2:43:35 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your wish appears to have been granted. The Platypus page 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now says $1650. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:12:03 AM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or as my brain wakes upmaybe the price hike is an April 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fool's joke? Wishful thinking?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan P.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seattle, WA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 7:10:36 AM UTC-7 Jonny P 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I still think $1800 is a very fair price, I think 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reasoning in the last minute change is a bit suspect. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grant's Blahg has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said since 3-4 weeks ago that they knew frames would cost 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than other 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> models, hence the $1600 price tag vs $1500 because the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platypii cost an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra $100 to make. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From Platy Page:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It costs $100 more than our other lugged bikes, because 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it costs us about $80 more. For that $100, at least for this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first run, we 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include a wonderful DVD on the platypus, filmed (naturally) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Australia by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an award winning duo of biologists and platypus-lovers."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, I do know in the current supply chain environment 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that import taxes/tarriffs are surprising some brands causing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to bump 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up the price. Also, with the pent up demand of the bike world 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and RBW in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular, I am sure these will rightfully all be sold 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan P.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seattle, WA
>&

[RBW] Re: Platypus is sold out in 50 cm.

[Philip Barrett]

You are in fantastic hands, James & Candice offer sound advice based on 
real world application and use. Let them guide you.

On Sunday, April 4, 2021 at 8:13:49 AM UTC-5 Jay LePree wrote:

> Hi all:
>
> Thanks to Roberta Chase who referred me to Analogue cycles.  I was able to 
> procure a 50 cm Olive green and they will do the build for me. They seem 
> really great to work with.  
> Jay
> Demarest, NJ
>
> On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 2:50:41 PM UTC-4 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> I got the 55cm Lime I wanted in the first two minutes of the sale.  A 
>> couple of things I did - logged in to my account ahead of the sale time, of 
>> course, but I added the prep for shipment item to my cart earlier that 
>> morning, and I had the credit card details stored in my browser’s autofill. 
>> I had the size and color already selected too. 
>>
>> On Saturday, April 3, 2021 at 9:56:11 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> This is what is known as a good problem. Those Appaloosas are great (and 
>>> beautiful) bikes, you're going to love it. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:10:04 PM UTC-7 Jay LePree wrote:
>>>
 I am happy for Riv.  Good they made out.  I tried to purchase one, and 
 it seemed between 12:00 and 12:01 the mermaids sold out.  I was able to 
 load a lime green, but when I added the build up up the frame, they were 
 sold out. 

 Divine intervention telling me to go for the Apaloosa in late April. 

 Jay
 Demarest, NJ

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Blue Lug: Rivendell company ride

[Philip Barrett]

You'd think for a company that sells fenders...

On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 1:15:03 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Blue Lug just posted a short n' fun video of their staff on an all-Riv 
> outing :) 
>
> Includes an olime platypus 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpWq3upMuAo
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[RBW] Racks & Baskets - weight on the front...

[Philip Barrett]

...or the rear?

Discuss.


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[RBW] Re: Racks & Baskets - weight on the front...

[Philip Barrett]

Unfortunately throwing money at it until I'm happy doesn't sit as well with 
my inner light!

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:32:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Considering gravity is at best theoretical, so are it's associated 
> calculations. So I'd say adorn the bike any way you wish, whatever the 
> "inner light" reveals. We all have an unfiltered and unquestionable 
> inherent sense of that.  
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:52:41 AM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> On my Atlantis, I always have a handlebar bag.  When I use panniers, the 
>> fronts are always used, and the rears only when needing to carry a camping 
>> load.  After much experimentation, I've come to the conclusion that for me 
>> & my bike, when using 4 bags, 60% front load & 40% rear gave best 
>> handling.  Others probably have different preferences.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 7:50:37 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> ...or the rear?
>>>
>>> Discuss.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Racks & Baskets - weight on the front...

[Philip Barrett]

Funny you should say that but I was thinking the Wald folding basket would 
be interesting particularly as I'm sure you could come up with an easy 
mount/dismount system with a trip to the local Ace Hardware. Certainly not 
boutique PNW custom pricing either.

https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Folding-Rear-Bicycle-Basket/dp/B0012DVQVQ?th=1

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 7:08:03 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> I've been toying with this for a few weeks: 
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Medium-Basket-13-5X6-25X11/dp/B001EL7P34?th=1
>
> I see folks piling ridiculous amounts of junk on baskets and strapped to 
> saddlebags because panniers aren't "cool" anymore. Why not start your own 
> new style of basket pannier packing. If it takes off, I'm sure a new 
> cottage industry of makers will sell custom Wald 520 bags to go in the 
> baskets (thus become panniers again), available in any waxed canvas color 
> you want. I'm joking, of course.  
> (I'm not joking about the Wald pannier baskets on my Clem...)
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:35:40 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately throwing money at it until I'm happy doesn't sit as well 
>> with my inner light!
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:32:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Considering gravity is at best theoretical, so are it's associated 
>>> calculations. So I'd say adorn the bike any way you wish, whatever the 
>>> "inner light" reveals. We all have an unfiltered and unquestionable 
>>> inherent sense of that.  
>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:52:41 AM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>>>
 On my Atlantis, I always have a handlebar bag.  When I use panniers, 
 the fronts are always used, and the rears only when needing to carry a 
 camping load.  After much experimentation, I've come to the conclusion 
 that 
 for me & my bike, when using 4 bags, 60% front load & 40% rear gave best 
 handling.  Others probably have different preferences.  

 dougP

 On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 7:50:37 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> ...or the rear?
>
> Discuss.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Racks & Baskets - weight on the front...

[Philip Barrett]

I have a Linus sac which is nice heavy canvas & can clip pannier-style to a 
rack or be used with a basket -

https://www.linusbike.com/products/the-sac

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 8:40:49 AM UTC-5 willms...@gmail.com wrote:

> One last consideration may be the WB Loader bag.  It's a decent price 
> point compared to something like a sugar loaf and though the pictures don't 
> show it, it has 4 velcro straps on the front and back and two clips on the 
> sides once the bag is rolled down to use for attaching it to a 137.  Just 
> got mine last week for my Hillborne and couldn't be happier.  It also has a 
> padded bottom.  See here: 
> https://www.sim.works/collections/ral/products/ral-wb-loader?variant=31467798659124
> . 
>
> Joe
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 7:16:16 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Funny you should say that but I was thinking the Wald folding basket 
>> would be interesting particularly as I'm sure you could come up with an 
>> easy mount/dismount system with a trip to the local Ace Hardware. Certainly 
>> not boutique PNW custom pricing either.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Folding-Rear-Bicycle-Basket/dp/B0012DVQVQ?th=1
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 7:08:03 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> I've been toying with this for a few weeks: 
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Medium-Basket-13-5X6-25X11/dp/B001EL7P34?th=1
>>>
>>> I see folks piling ridiculous amounts of junk on baskets and strapped to 
>>> saddlebags because panniers aren't "cool" anymore. Why not start your own 
>>> new style of basket pannier packing. If it takes off, I'm sure a new 
>>> cottage industry of makers will sell custom Wald 520 bags to go in the 
>>> baskets (thus become panniers again), available in any waxed canvas color 
>>> you want. I'm joking, of course.  
>>> (I'm not joking about the Wald pannier baskets on my Clem...)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:35:40 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Unfortunately throwing money at it until I'm happy doesn't sit as well 
 with my inner light!

 On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 6:32:36 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Considering gravity is at best theoretical, so are it's associated 
> calculations. So I'd say adorn the bike any way you wish, whatever the 
> "inner light" reveals. We all have an unfiltered and unquestionable 
> inherent sense of that.  
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:52:41 AM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> On my Atlantis, I always have a handlebar bag.  When I use panniers, 
>> the fronts are always used, and the rears only when needing to carry a 
>> camping load.  After much experimentation, I've come to the conclusion 
>> that 
>> for me & my bike, when using 4 bags, 60% front load & 40% rear gave best 
>> handling.  Others probably have different preferences.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 7:50:37 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...or the rear?
>>>
>>> Discuss.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Racks & Baskets - weight on the front...

[Philip Barrett]

For those liking the folding rears these look interesting?

https://www.amazon.com/Bushwhacker-Omaha-Bicycle-Grocery-Accessories/dp/B00B4ZKZK0/ref=sr_1_18?dchild=1&keywords=BUSHWHACKER+USA&qid=1617729448&sr=8-18

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:45:08 AM UTC-5 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Those Wald rear baskets are great--I use one for grocery shopping 
> routinely.  I have the larger version, the Wald 535 (18 inches long).  It 
> is very sturdy--no problem loading it with cans, milk cartons, etc and you 
> can strap a big bag of dog food or whatever over the top.  I have a set of 
> the Wald folding baskets too, but they are much flimsier than the 
> non-folding kind, and they rattle.
>
> It is true that these rear baskets do not match the shape of an ordinary 
> grocery bag (paper sack, or the reusable kind).  Takes a little repacking 
> at the bike rack.
>
> At one point I had this rear basket on my 59cm Clem H.  It didn't 
> work--for some reason it created a bad shudder in the fork.  But it works 
> fine on this old Peugeot.  And, getting back to the original question: on 
> this bike I always load the rear first, and only put light things in the 
> front basket.  Handling gets weird if there is much weight up front:
>
> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>
> [image: IMG_1696 (1).jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 8:16:16 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Funny you should say that but I was thinking the Wald folding basket 
>> would be interesting particularly as I'm sure you could come up with an 
>> easy mount/dismount system with a trip to the local Ace Hardware. Certainly 
>> not boutique PNW custom pricing either.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Folding-Rear-Bicycle-Basket/dp/B0012DVQVQ?th=1
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 7:08:03 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> I've been toying with this for a few weeks: 
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Medium-Basket-13-5X6-25X11/dp/B001EL7P34?th=1
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleurs / Derailers / Whatever

[Philip Barrett]

Oh man, when you said "mount it high" I tried to, but sort of lost interest 
half way through the project & called out for pizza.



I'll be here all week, try the veal.

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:55:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> When people (me) say "mount it high", it means high over the small pant 
> guard which would be a bigger chainring if that triple crank still had that 
> ring. But it seems to matter a lot which fd you use because they don't all 
> need that trick. Here's a pic I stole from Leah's (Bicycle Belle Ding Ding) 
> Instagram after remembering she uses the Silver 24-38-guard crank setup on 
> her (extremely rad) Platy. I don't know what derailer that is but it's 
> sitting right over the guard with barely a gap and still clears the 
> chainstay. Buy whatever is on her bike! 
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:31:20 AM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Patrick that looks great. 
>> Nice coupling of the two arcs of the toothless outer ring/guard and the 
>> fd cage.
>> Did you really have to hack off the stop, as in, backing out or removing 
>> altogether the limit screw wasn't enough? I believe you regardless.
>>
>> I'm slowly grasping a few things:
>> 1. the fd has to clear the toothless outer ring, which probably places it 
>> a little high with respect to the outermost ring that has teeth
>>   1.a. when people say "mount the FD high" is it high with respect to 
>> that ring (middle in the triple) or high wrt the toothless outer (aka 
>> really high for the middle ring)?
>> 2. I bet that guard/toothless-ring also works great as a chain stop. 
>> pretty hard to throw the chain off your biggest ring when you have one of 
>> those, no?
>> But if the chain never comes off I don't get to do my current favorite 
>> bike trick: put the chain back on just using the fd (and pedalling, of 
>> course)
>>
>> - Matthew 
>> "I passed on the bash guard triple but am liking them more" and 
>> "i can always throw it off the inner ring for fun" and 
>> "but I can barely get the chain there in the first place right now" and
>> "would like to see this ugly-functional fd" and
>> "doesn't yet comprehend long (road?) vs. short (mtb?) fd's"
>> P
>> in San Diego / Kumeyaay Land
>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 1:54:22 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, or as Patrick mentioned you can use any old (and cheap) Shimano mtb 
>>> triple. The 24-38 Silver cranks are a triple with the big ring replaced by 
>>> a smaller pant guard; if you mount the derailer in its normal position the 
>>> cage contours will hit the middle and granny rings in the right spot. The 
>>> only "problem" is the big gap over the pant guard looks a little funky. 
>>>
>>> Joe "funky is good" Bernard
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 9:01:43 AM UTC-7 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 I had the same question about the front derailleur and the silver 
 low-high 38-24 crank.  It's my first build with a FD.  The gist is to get 
 a 
 road double and mess around until it works?  I have no intention of 
 spending $80 if a cheap one will work.

 Tom





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[RBW] Re: Hub Area Rack (HAR) Bag Information Request.

[Philip Barrett]

Looks like some beautiful work there. You'll keep us all posted here, yes?

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 4:59:32 PM UTC-5 David B wrote:

> After waiting for what seemed like a very long time, the Hub Area racks 
> were restocked a while back and luckily I snagged one out of what must've 
> been a small batch that were available as they sold out within a day.
>
> My request is about the bags that originally accompanied this rack. First 
> off, I'm a hobby bag maker, so I'll be making my own bags. I am not 
> interested in buying the Sackville bags.
> My request is more about the original size of these bags so I'm sticking 
> to a similarly sized bag, as Rivendell had designed the rack for.
> I know the bags have a neat pocket that slides into the bottom of the rack 
> to secure it. 
>
> I am wondering if someone might point me to detailed photos, or perhaps 
> somewhere that has a little info. Even better if someone has the bags and 
> would be able to measure the dimensions and maybe send a photo or two.
>
> Please note that I would not be making this request if Rivendell were 
> still making and selling these, but it seems like these won't be made 
> again. I also have no intention of selling bags for this rack either - just 
> making a pair for my own use. They'll be going on this bike: 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CMNYBW9lbWk/
>
> Thanks,
> David
> River Grove, IL
>

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Re: [RBW] wheel weight and acceleration?

[Philip Barrett]

Car & motorcycle racers talk about unsprung weight, in other words the 
weight of the components that the suspension system does not act upon 
(rims, tires, brake calipers etc.). Keeping this number to a minimum is 
critical to building a competitive vehicle as this directly effects 
acceleration & braking performance and cannot be manipulated by suspension 
design. This is consistent with Newton's 2nd law which states that 
Acceleration = Mass/Force.

To my mind, in hard tail/front bicycle design the tire & tube are that 
suspended component, everything after them is "sprung" by the sidewall 
stiffness & tire pressure (in racing design, tires parameters take priority 
over the rest of the unsprung parts too) so as Patrick Moore says, they are 
the most critical part of the acceleration equation (not the only by any 
means, but the foundation).

Ignoring the friction component for now and looking at the numbers, a Rene 
Hearse tire set is 1/2 pound lighter than the Cazaderos (125 grams per 
wheel). This doesn't sound like too significant difference on a 30lb bike 
EXCEPT as above, this is unsprung weight which most significantly affects 
acceleration. Put friction back into the equation (the coefficient of that 
between the tire and the pavement is your grip) and consider a tires 
viscosity (how sticky it is), deformability (how much the sidewalls absorb 
your energy input versus transmitting it directly to the road) and 
hysteresis (the speed at which the deformation of the tire returns to it's 
normal shape after deformation) and I think you have most of your answer in 
tire science? The Rene Hearse is lighter, most likely less susceptible to 
deformation, has faster hysteresis and a tread pattern that offers more 
grip.

As a note, another 1/3rd or so of a pound can also be saved in switching to 
lightweight tubes (which are also susceptible to all the same parameters as 
the tires).

Now this sounds like a lot of semantics, bicycles are light and the forces 
involved (our legs) are weak compared to ICE technology. But it's exactly 
because those forces are so weak that small gains in tire performance 
become significant. Your tires are actually fairly closely matched, quality 
brands, if you move into the word of low end Kendas or similar, the savings 
can be in the 2 to 4lb range for a set!

Bear in mind, I'm merely a dilettante at this, the physicists amongst you 
may well be correcting me on the above. But the theory can be tested at 
least in perception by swapping the tires & tubes between your bikes?




On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 9:08:14 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Also, the Cazaderos have small knobs; this will certainly affect rolling 
> resistance.
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 8:06 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I've used all sorts of wheel sizes and weights, from just shy of 20" to 
>> just over 30", and tires ranging from 175 grams to over 900 grams. IME, 
>> wheel diameter and tire weight affect the ride far less than tire quality 
>> (supple, light casing) except on hills, when at least in the extreme -- in 
>> my case, 800 gram rim and 800 gram tire + 200-250 gram tube; the rim and 
>> the tire were the "lite" models! -- you certainly can feel a difference 
>> climbing over a sub 175 gram tire, 360 gram rim, and 70 gram tube, 
>> especially if the overall wheel diameters differ by about 5".
>>
>> One of my "plane-y-est" bikes is that Matthews dirt road bike with 700C X 
>> 60 tires. Granted that the wheels are quite light for their size (29 1/2" 
>> tall, 60 mm wide, Velocity Blunt SSs, Big Ones), but the bike just feels 
>> easier to pedal in a given gear in given conditions; at least as good as my 
>> bikes with much lighter wheels. On the flats. Climbing, the light-wheel 
>> bikes feel faster.
>>
>> All that said, good quality light wheels and especially top quality tires 
>> really do affect the pleasure of the ride.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 6:58 AM Adam  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, hoping to get some thoughts on the role of wheels in 
>>> acceleration and climbing.
>>>
>>> I recently picked up my first Riv (Hillborne) and am running Dyads and 
>>> Barlow Pass tires. Among other things, I'm amazed at the difference in 
>>> acceleration, speed, and particularly climbing vs my other bike, which is a 
>>> pretty heavy Salsa Marrakesh with stock wheels (WTB sx19 and Shimano m475 
>>> hubs) and Cazaderos.
>>>
>>> I'm not necessarily jumping to replace the Marrakesh's wheels ATM, but I 
>>> am curious whether anyone has thoughts on whether or not that's likely the 
>>> difference I'm feeling in acceleration and speed?
>>>
>>> There's definitely a substantial weight difference between the two 
>>> builds, but I've loaded up the Sam a few times and it's still way quicker. 
>>> I'd just swap the wheels, but the Marrakesh's are disc.
>>>
>>> thoughts?
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Re: [RBW] wheel weight and acceleration?

[Philip Barrett]

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 11:11:44 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I think I understand the concept of unsprung weight, but I thought that it 
> affected handling, ie lateral forces and their control, and not 
> acceleration; wouldn't a vehicle with a very great unsprung weight 
> accelerate as fast on a horizontal and straight surface as one with very 
> little unsprung weight? I am thinking for example of a bike and rider with 
> suspension seatpost and stem, compared to a bike and rider with suspended 
> wheels. Would the latter system have an advantage in simple straight line 
> acceleration?
>
> Not that this is not (double negative!!) an interesting conversation!
>
>
> Yes, lots more to unsprung weight than just acceleration & my theory in 
bicycles is loose as presumably part of the tire would have to be 
considered as sprung depending on the construction? Also, the fork, 
chainstays & the frame overall will flex (that lateral stiffness all the 
bike reviews mention) so we should take that into consideration too. 
Especially as Rivendell's penchant for steel (a fairly flexible material) 
and long chainstays may impact that more than other designs. The math gets 
PhD hard at this point but in the case of the OP the Salsa looks to be of a 
similar geometry to the SH so we might be closer to apples to apples there 
at least.

 For sprung weight the suspension (in whatever form) will absorb some of 
the input force as deflection, binding/friction, shock aeration, heat etc. 
so there is a disadvantage. The lighter the components acted upon by that 
remaining force, the faster they can transmit that into acceleration. Many 
modern race series allow some form of suspension lockout to aid quicker 
starts ("holeshot" devices), a little Googling has informed me that some 
MTB systems offer a similar process. 

The overarching conclusion here may also be that no suspension is better 
than cheap or badly set up suspension.


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Re: [RBW] Re: A Cyclist on the English Landscape

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks Patrick, flattery will get you everywhere! I really like your idea 
of the 10 mile photo project, I shall wait until the Platypus is built up 
to embark on that. I just added vitiated to my repertoire too!

I was born in London and we moved around the UK quite a bit, including a 
stint in Brighton ("Hove actually") long before it became a bijou domicile 
fueled by the "Pink Pound" and emigrating to the US 36 years ago in my 
early 20's so I sort of span both countries. Perhaps Roger Waters said it 
best with "hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way?" It's a 
country that has never really defined itself post Empire and two terrible 
wars. Hastings actually featured as a fashionable backdrop to the Edwardian 
hedonism ignoring the world changing around them. The Europe experiment has 
gone terribly wrong and the penchance for a sort of pornography of 
nostalgia worries me somewhat. However we should temper the pity party with 
the fact that the UK still rates #6 for world GDP and boasts many of it's 
billionaires.

And yes, the English climate is the butt of many jokes and like the food, 
tales of it's awfulness are somewhat exaggerated. It does rain a lot, 
however US Mid-West/North East levels of cold are unknown and the summers 
are mild compared to the US in general. A sunny day in the UK countryside 
is hard to match anywhere, if they were more frequent it would be even 
better.

We loved Foyle's War too. Hastings took an awful battering during the Blitz 
as damaged (or scared) bombers would cross the channel and drop their loads 
on the 1st bit of Britain they found before turning for home. Inevitably, 
with a mere 22 miles to travel from the French coast, Hastings bore the 
brunt of that. My Great Aunt claims that as a girl a Luftwaffe plane banked 
so low over the town the pilot waved at her!

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 12:06:56 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> This is a very good set of photographs, and the author writes very well, 
> too; a rather rare combination in cycling journalism, where bike info is 
> vitiated by stunted outlook and expression. It's rather sad to see the 
> decay of so many English regions that I've read about in their heyday 
> (spent 16 years or so of my long-ago boyhood in ex-Crown colonies and 
> traveling thru Britain on home leave). Paul Theroux's "The Kingdom By The 
> Sea" comes to mind, as do Bill Bryson's "Notes From A Small Island" and 
> "The Road To Little Dribbling" as do years spent reading British novelists 
> and social historians.
>
> Philip: Are you English? Or, how did your parents end up there? (BTW, you 
> don't write badly yourself. And, are the attached photos yours? Well done.)
>
> * All these images were captured within a 10-mile radius of where I live, 
> and most of them much closer than that.*
>
> Here's an idea for a thread: post your photos from rides within a 10 mile 
> radius of your home. It would be very interesting to see a variety of 
> landscapes accessible out the door by bicycle. I'll take some and post 
> them, but be forewarned that rating my photo skills as rudimentary is 
> excessive praise.
>
> And, oh, please! Adjust the size of any photo you paste into an email so 
> that it does not expand the content grossly beyond the normal width of the 
> page; or simply attach instead of pasting.
>
> Philip: You say "nice climate" in the UK is an oxymoron, but isn't English 
> weather at least rather mild overall, compared to the highs and lows and 
> droughts and floods and tornados in North America? I guess a lot of cold 
> rain makes up for a great deal of moderate temperature differentials ...
>
> Patrick "Anglophile" Moore, who has thoroughly enjoyed the "Foyle's War" 
> series set in Hastings.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:44 PM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> I saw that today, my parents live about a mile from him! 
>>
>> It's an interesting part of the world blessed with the nicest climate in 
>> the UK (which is a bit like saying it's a light Rivendell). But unlike 
>> other South Coast towns with excellent rail links to London whose 
>> popularity and property values have skyrocketed, poor Hastings is served by 
>> an old, slow & unreliable rail service which eliminates all but the 
>> hardiest commuter from the area. Left over from it's heyday as THE place to 
>> see & be seen are huge Victorian piles, many of which have been broken up 
>> into small apartments and are used for social housing. Not a bad place to 
>> live on the dole, there's beaches and the weather is perfectly tolerable 
>> but obviously the downside to this is the

Re: [RBW] wheel weight and acceleration?

[Philip Barrett]

Adam, have you weighed the wheelsets?


On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 12:52:34 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> It is rotating weight that matters for acceleration. I could bore you with 
> a bunch of physics equations or you could Google "rotational inertia" if 
> you are interested - the rotational inertia is a function of the square of 
> the distance from the weight to the axis of rotation (lightweight 
> derailleur jockey wheels don't count for much more that non-rotating weight 
> because of the small radius). Drag racers know it (look at the teeny tiny 
> front wheels and tires on all manner of rear drive drag cars), autocrossers 
> know it (serious autocrossers use the lightest wheels they can find), 
> automobile manufacturers know it (the one commonality of the stock tires 
> that come as standard equipment on most cars is that they are lightweight - 
> better mpg on the EPA test results). Look at a Formula 1 or other racing 
> car's wheels - are they relatively big or small diameter compared to the 
> wheels you see on street cars? - they are small  - they use the smallest 
> wheel they can for the brakes that they use and that the rules allow   - 
> for a given tire diameter, the wheel-tire combination that gives the 
> lightest weight uses the smallest wheel (talking automobile tires here). If 
> you have ever ridden a Bike Friday or similar small wheeled bike, you know 
> how "zippy" they are - smaller, lighter weight wheels.
> Taking 1 lb. off your wheels helps more than taking 1 lb. off your frame 
> (or dumping 1 lb. out of your water bottle).
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 12:36:48 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 11:11:44 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I think I understand the concept of unsprung weight, but I thought that 
>>> it affected handling, ie lateral forces and their control, and not 
>>> acceleration; wouldn't a vehicle with a very great unsprung weight 
>>> accelerate as fast on a horizontal and straight surface as one with very 
>>> little unsprung weight? I am thinking for example of a bike and rider with 
>>> suspension seatpost and stem, compared to a bike and rider with suspended 
>>> wheels. Would the latter system have an advantage in simple straight line 
>>> acceleration?
>>>
>>> Not that this is not (double negative!!) an interesting conversation!
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, lots more to unsprung weight than just acceleration & my theory in 
>> bicycles is loose as presumably part of the tire would have to be 
>> considered as sprung depending on the construction? Also, the fork, 
>> chainstays & the frame overall will flex (that lateral stiffness all the 
>> bike reviews mention) so we should take that into consideration too. 
>> Especially as Rivendell's penchant for steel (a fairly flexible material) 
>> and long chainstays may impact that more than other designs. The math gets 
>> PhD hard at this point but in the case of the OP the Salsa looks to be of a 
>> similar geometry to the SH so we might be closer to apples to apples there 
>> at least.
>>
>>  For sprung weight the suspension (in whatever form) will absorb some of 
>> the input force as deflection, binding/friction, shock aeration, heat etc. 
>> so there is a disadvantage. The lighter the components acted upon by that 
>> remaining force, the faster they can transmit that into acceleration. Many 
>> modern race series allow some form of suspension lockout to aid quicker 
>> starts ("holeshot" devices), a little Googling has informed me that some 
>> MTB systems offer a similar process. 
>>
>> The overarching conclusion here may also be that no suspension is better 
>> than cheap or badly set up suspension.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] wheel weight and acceleration?

[Philip Barrett]

So we're back to #1 - light tires & tubes. Followed by #2 - light rims & 
spokes.

No one else want to chime in on friction? How much slip does say, a 
semi-knobby tire like the Cazadero allow compared to the RH & is that 
noticeable when accelerating?

Inboard brakes are a thing of beauty & danger, I believe the Lotus 72 F1 
car may have been the 1st to implement. The problem has been the load on 
the half shaft which, according to the inquest, the associated failure of 
that was the cause of Rindt's fatal crash in that car.
On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 3:07:59 PM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> The comparison to motor vehicle unsprung weight may parallel bicyclists' 
> focus on wheel and tire weight but available horsepower of even weak 
> engines makes all but the most competitive motor vehicles seem sloppy with 
> their unsprung, wheel and tire weights comparatively. 
>
> You on your bike won't make enough horsepower to overcome much weight 
> increases by anything distant from the hub. The greatest improvement to 
> angular acceleration (increasing a wheels rotating speed) will be at the 
> greatest distance from the axle; tires/tubes. Smaller changes in weight net 
> larger feelings of better response at that distant component, tubes come in 
> second, rim choice third. Spokes are next and the hubs may be eclipsed by 
> having lighter pedals. Light wheels, on the unsprung weight topic, do seem 
> to ride nicer because they don't require such impact to move up and down 
> over surface irregularities. Heavy rimmed wheels cancel benefits of light 
> tires in my very subjective experiments. 
>
> Total weight of a bike can affect what you've felt as a difference between 
> your two bikes but the fastest way to improve the ride of a bike to me is a 
> wheel made of a light rim/spokes and a light tire. I ruined the young woman 
> we mentor by loaning her my Rambouillet's PJW-made wheels for a long ride. 
> Velocity Synergy rims with 36°, straight gauge spokes, XT hubs and RH 
> Stampede Pass ELs and light tubes. She is having me work up a price for a 
> set of responsibly lighter wheels with a dyno hub front as a result. 
>
> Some strategies in automotive design to reduce unsprung weight are 
> elegant. The Alfa Romeo Giulia GT 1600 Junior De Dion rear suspension 
> removed the brake disc from the unsprung weight by putting them on the 
> other ends of the half shafts, on either side of the differential. that 
> carried on in their designs for decades. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 11:41:15 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Car & motorcycle racers talk about unsprung weight, in other words the 
>> weight of the components that the suspension system does not act upon 
>> (rims, tires, brake calipers etc.). Keeping this number to a minimum is 
>> critical to building a competitive vehicle as this directly effects 
>> acceleration & braking performance and cannot be manipulated by suspension 
>> design. This is consistent with Newton's 2nd law which states that 
>> Acceleration = Mass/Force.
>>
>> To my mind, in hard tail/front bicycle design the tire & tube are that 
>> suspended component, everything after them is "sprung" by the sidewall 
>> stiffness & tire pressure (in racing design, tires parameters take priority 
>> over the rest of the unsprung parts too) so as Patrick Moore says, they are 
>> the most critical part of the acceleration equation (not the only by any 
>> means, but the foundation).
>>
>> Ignoring the friction component for now and looking at the numbers, a 
>> Rene Hearse tire set is 1/2 pound lighter than the Cazaderos (125 grams per 
>> wheel). This doesn't sound like too significant difference on a 30lb bike 
>> EXCEPT as above, this is unsprung weight which most significantly affects 
>> acceleration. Put friction back into the equation (the coefficient of that 
>> between the tire and the pavement is your grip) and consider a tires 
>> viscosity (how sticky it is), deformability (how much the sidewalls absorb 
>> your energy input versus transmitting it directly to the road) and 
>> hysteresis (the speed at which the deformation of the tire returns to it's 
>> normal shape after deformation) and I think you have most of your answer in 
>> tire science? The Rene Hearse is lighter, most likely less susceptible to 
>> deformation, has faster hysteresis and a tread pattern that offers more 
>> grip.
>>
>> As a note, another 1/3rd or so of a pound can also be saved in switching 
>> to lightweight tubes (which are also susceptible to all the same parameters 
>> as the tires).
>>
>> Now this sounds like a lot of semantics, bicycles are light and the 
>> forces involved (our legs) are weak compared to ICE technology. But it's 
>> exactly because those forces are so weak that small gains in tire 
>> performance become significant. Your tires are actually fairly closely 
>> matched, quality brands, if you move into the word of low end Kendas or 
>> 

[RBW] Re: 1x Set Up?

[Philip Barrett]

If you don't mind, what derailleur & cassette are you using?

Word is that the SRAM 11-speed will fit on Shimano 8/9/10 speed hubs like 
the Deore.

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 1:06:02 PM UTC-5 Larry Charlton wrote:

> I'm running 1x11 on my proto-Appaloosa.  It works flawlessly and I enjoy 
> the simplicity.[image: Appaloosa.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1x Set Up?

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks for the info - it looks like the CS-M7000 series would be fine then?

https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/slx-m7000/CS-M7000-11.html

And if you stick with the same 7000 series of derailleur & shifter you've 
obviated any mismatches.

On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 1:43:28 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Shimano *Mountain 11 speed* works on a Shimano 9 speed hub. Shimano *Road 
> 11 speed* will not. The mountain cassettes have large inner cogs that can 
> overhang the hub flange (the outer 3 cogs are connected) and thus use the 
> narrower 9 speed cassette spacing. The road cassettes have smaller inner 
> cogs and cannot overhang the hub flange, therefore they require a wider 
> cassette spacing. The idea behind the mountain cassette is to have wider 
> spacing between the flanges allowed by the narrower cassette and less dish, 
> therefore having a stronger wheel.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 2:34:17 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> If you don't mind, what derailleur & cassette are you using?
>>
>> Word is that the SRAM 11-speed will fit on Shimano 8/9/10 speed hubs like 
>> the Deore.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 8, 2021 at 1:06:02 PM UTC-5 Larry Charlton wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running 1x11 on my proto-Appaloosa.  It works flawlessly and I enjoy 
>>> the simplicity.[image: Appaloosa.jpg]
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] wheel weight and acceleration?

[Philip Barrett]

I read through much of RH's tire research and was so impressed I ordered a 
piar of their 650b Loup Loup Pass.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 2:19:31 PM UTC-5 thoma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ignoring the friction component for now and looking at the numbers, a Rene 
>> Hearse tire set is 1/2 pound lighter than the Cazaderos (125 grams per 
>> wheel). This doesn't sound like too significant difference on a 30lb bike 
>> EXCEPT as above, this is unsprung weight which most significantly affects 
>> acceleration. Put friction back into the equation (the coefficient of that 
>> between the tire and the pavement is your grip) and consider a tires 
>> viscosity (how sticky it is), deformability (how much the sidewalls absorb 
>> your energy input versus transmitting it directly to the road) and 
>> hysteresis (the speed at which the deformation of the tire returns to it's 
>> normal shape after deformation) and I think you have most of your answer in 
>> tire science? The Rene Hearse is lighter, most likely less susceptible to 
>> deformation, has faster hysteresis and a tread pattern that offers more 
>> grip.
>>
> ...
>
> But the theory can be tested at least in perception by swapping the tires 
>> & tubes between your bikes?
>>
>  
> I'm neither a physicist nor an engineer, but I'd suggest the tires are, in 
> fact, the only significant source of suspension on a rigid bicycle and 
> shouldn't count as unspung weight. The Rene Herse tires, at least in 
> theory, should be *more* susceptible to deformation and therefore require 
> less energy to deflect over road texture. 
> Rene Herse does do some fairly good real-world tire testing and they've 
> essentially reached the conclusion that softer tire that deforms more 
> easily, coupled with a higher air volume, is faster until the drag created 
> by a wider tire equalizes that effect (this will happen at a certain speed 
> depending on tire width...). Even if we're all wrong, I'm pretty sure the 
> "swap tires to neutralize the easiest/cheapest variable" path is the best 
> one.
>

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[RBW] Bike Store in LA?

[Philip Barrett]

Looks like I'll be doing the hang over the weekend in LA, any 
recommendations for a cool bike store (other than Coco's) that I should 
visit? 

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Re: [RBW] Bike Store in LA?

[Philip Barrett]

Well that looks like my kinda place!
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:30:41 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

> Golden Saddle Cyclery in Silverlake
>
> On Apr 14, 2021, at 12:22, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> Looks like I'll be doing the hang over the weekend in LA, any 
> recommendations for a cool bike store (other than Coco's) that I should 
> visit?  
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[RBW] Re: 25.4 60mm technomic stem baby boscos crank bros candy pedals and more!

[Philip Barrett]

Color on those feedbags?

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 10:46:06 PM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:

>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 14, 2021, at 10:44 PM, sam.per...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > All prices for local Bay Area pick up , will ship If buyer pays 
> shipping! Will gladly send pictures of each item.
> > 
> > -Technomic stem 25.4 60cm ,paid 80 selling $50
> > 
> > -Baby bosco paid 58 selling for $45
> > 
> > -Crank brothers candy ( purchased at rei a while back in the used sale. 
> Never got around to installing them, they are in used condition. Includes 
> used cleats and bolts. $40
> > 
> > Shram 10sp bar end shifters $60
> > 
> > VO front rack with integrated decalure, this one is compatible with 
> caliper style breaks. ( I don’t see these on the website anymore) $65 
> > 
> > Revelate design feed bag. Have 2 for sale $30 each.
> > Sent from my iPhone
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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO: Nitto Rack Nut & Bolt (daruma)

[Philip Barrett]

I was looking for the same recently, the only place I found them was in 
Japan with the associated shipping costs.

I've bought from these guys before & they are excellent, shipping via DHL 
which is super fast but probably $30+.

https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-rack-replacement-strut-mounting-stud-bolt?_pos=3&_sid=21321af91&_ss=r



On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 5:28:05 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oof, these are hard to find. Velo Orange, Sim Works and Soma all carry 
> them but all are sold out. 
>
> If there's a hack, I'm all ears. 
>
> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 7:34:37 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
> NY) wrote:
>
>> I've somehow stripped one of the daruma bolts of my RBW51 rack. Riv is 
>> sold out of replacement nut/bolt and I can't find anywhere else online to 
>> order one. Anyone have an extra they could part with? Willing to pay $15 
>> plus shipping.
>>
>> Or, is there a hardware store hack?
>>
>> [image: nitto_daruma_02_900_2048x.jpeg][image: 
>> rh1-20184-2_1024x1024.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO: Nitto Rack Nut & Bolt (daruma)

[Philip Barrett]

LOL - I hadn't thought of reaching out here! I'm still short too...

On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-7 David Carner wrote:

> Justin,
> I have one I can spare.
> I don't have anything like paypal for payment, but I am happy to send it 
> on to a list member at no charge. 
> If you would like for me to send it, email me a david(dot)carner49 at 
> gmail.
> David
> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 6:34:37 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
> NY) wrote:
>
>> I've somehow stripped one of the daruma bolts of my RBW51 rack. Riv is 
>> sold out of replacement nut/bolt and I can't find anywhere else online to 
>> order one. Anyone have an extra they could part with? Willing to pay $15 
>> plus shipping.
>>
>> Or, is there a hardware store hack?
>>
>> [image: nitto_daruma_02_900_2048x.jpeg][image: 
>> rh1-20184-2_1024x1024.jpeg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/ISO: Nitto Rack Nut & Bolt (daruma)

[Philip Barrett]

You sir, are an all around good egg!

Hopefully I can pay it forward. Email coming...

On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 3:38:37 PM UTC-7 David Carner wrote:

> Phillip,
> I have one left.
> Same offer applies.
> David
> On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 5:29:51 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> LOL - I hadn't thought of reaching out here! I'm still short too...
>>
>> On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-7 David Carner wrote:
>>
>>> Justin,
>>> I have one I can spare.
>>> I don't have anything like paypal for payment, but I am happy to send it 
>>> on to a list member at no charge. 
>>> If you would like for me to send it, email me a david(dot)carner49 at 
>>> gmail.
>>> David
>>> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 6:34:37 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
>>> NY) wrote:
>>>
 I've somehow stripped one of the daruma bolts of my RBW51 rack. Riv is 
 sold out of replacement nut/bolt and I can't find anywhere else online to 
 order one. Anyone have an extra they could part with? Willing to pay $15 
 plus shipping.

 Or, is there a hardware store hack?

 [image: nitto_daruma_02_900_2048x.jpeg][image: 
 rh1-20184-2_1024x1024.jpeg]

>>>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

FYI: I have a frameset/HS/BB only order & have not heard anything either

On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 10:01:15 AM UTC-7 Ken Yokanovich wrote:

> Wondering the same as Tom. Trying to be patient and not interrupt the 
> busyness at RBW World Headquarters... but... Coming up on almost 3 weeks 
> without any indication of what's happening.  Sure would be nice to know 
> something other than my "Your order is confirmed" 
>
> On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 8:48:39 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Has anyone heard when they will start shipping out the non-prepped 
>> frames?  I figured someone else might have made a call or asked.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 1992 Bridgestone MB-4 in Nashville

[Philip Barrett]

My daughter is in Nashville & interested in this.

On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 4:40:47 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> My fault!!! It's $400.
>
> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 1:19:41 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Price?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 10:01:18 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all. I have a 49cm/55cm tt Bridgestone MB-4 for sale. Bonus 
>>> additions from stock are Nitto Albatross bars, Brooks B67 saddle, Suntour 
>>> Barcons, Shimano CX-50 brakes, and new Continental Speed Contact tires. 
>>> Happy to send more pics if you're interested. I prefer a local Nashville 
>>> sale but can work out meeting up if you're in a surrounding area. I'm also 
>>> happy to ship as long as the buyer is willing to pay full shipping costs. 
>>> Thanks![image: IMG_2827.jpg]
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

Would someone mind running a tape measure for the pump mounting boss to 
head tube?

Also, what are people's thoughts on fenders for their Plats?

On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 11:55:18 PM UTC-5 will...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Thanks Leah. I have definitely narrowed it down to a Sam or an Appaloosa 
> for myself, in that order. A Sam in Mermaid would probably be my ultimate 
> Riv. Nothing against the mixte, I'm just kind of a double diamond purist.
>
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 9:11:59 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm greatly enjoying reading your impressions and seeing the details in 
>> the photos. Will and Maia summed it up well - I've thought all those same 
>> thoughts about my own Platypus. I also really think this is the most 
>> sparkle Riv has ever put in a paint job and we are all loving it. 
>> Sparklepus or SparklePlaty. That's the new hashtag!
>>
>> Anyway, Will, I think you should snag a 60 mermaid Platy for yourself. 
>> Why not? This IS the best bike in the Riv line, you know...
>>
>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:57:25 PM UTC-7 will...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Maia's Mermaid 55CM Details Part1
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0443.png][image: IMG_0444.png]
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

Well that takes the Topeak Master Blaster off the table then!

Thanks for checking.

On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 10:33:05 AM UTC-5 will...@yahoo.com wrote:

> 16" on the nose from tip to edge of HT
>
> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 5:55:59 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Would someone mind running a tape measure for the pump mounting boss to 
>> head tube?
>>
>> Also, what are people's thoughts on fenders for their Plats?
>>
>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 11:55:18 PM UTC-5 will...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Leah. I have definitely narrowed it down to a Sam or an Appaloosa 
>>> for myself, in that order. A Sam in Mermaid would probably be my ultimate 
>>> Riv. Nothing against the mixte, I'm just kind of a double diamond purist.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 9:11:59 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm greatly enjoying reading your impressions and seeing the details in 
 the photos. Will and Maia summed it up well - I've thought all those same 
 thoughts about my own Platypus. I also really think this is the most 
 sparkle Riv has ever put in a paint job and we are all loving it. 
 Sparklepus or SparklePlaty. That's the new hashtag!

 Anyway, Will, I think you should snag a 60 mermaid Platy for yourself. 
 Why not? This IS the best bike in the Riv line, you know...

 On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:57:25 PM UTC-7 will...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:

>
> Maia's Mermaid 55CM Details Part1
>
> [image: IMG_0443.png][image: IMG_0444.png]



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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks - I have one of those too! Then there's this rather expensive but 
lovely thing;

https://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=94457

Which gets horrible reviews;

https://off.road.cc/content/review/pumps-and-co2-inflators/fabric-megabar-dual-valve-mini-pump-review-6599

On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 12:31:12 PM UTC-5 Dorothy C wrote:

> Phillip, my 55cm Cheviot is also 16” and fits the No 2 Zefal pump that Riv 
> sell. Make sure to turn the pump head from HP to X before trying to 
> compress it into position
>
> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 8:46:38 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Well that takes the Topeak Master Blaster off the table then!
>>
>> Thanks for checking.
>>
>> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 10:33:05 AM UTC-5 will...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> 16" on the nose from tip to edge of HT
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 5:55:59 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Would someone mind running a tape measure for the pump mounting boss to 
 head tube?

 Also, what are people's thoughts on fenders for their Plats?

 On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 11:55:18 PM UTC-5 will...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks Leah. I have definitely narrowed it down to a Sam or an 
> Appaloosa for myself, in that order. A Sam in Mermaid would probably be 
> my 
> ultimate Riv. Nothing against the mixte, I'm just kind of a double 
> diamond 
> purist.
>
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 9:11:59 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I'm greatly enjoying reading your impressions and seeing the details 
>> in the photos. Will and Maia summed it up well - I've thought all those 
>> same thoughts about my own Platypus. I also really think this is the 
>> most 
>> sparkle Riv has ever put in a paint job and we are all loving it. 
>> Sparklepus or SparklePlaty. That's the new hashtag!
>>
>> Anyway, Will, I think you should snag a 60 mermaid Platy for 
>> yourself. Why not? This IS the best bike in the Riv line, you know...
>>
>> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:57:25 PM UTC-7 will...@yahoo.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Maia's Mermaid 55CM Details Part1
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0443.png][image: IMG_0444.png]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Can an 11speed cassette fit on an 8-9-10 hub

[Philip Barrett]

Yes - provided it's a mountain cluster as the lowest cog (smallest) is 
dished to fit the wheel.

The Shimano M7000 series of components will work for you. As will SRAM Apex 
and MicroShift XCD. The Shimano is easiest as there's no mixing & matching, 
if it says "7000" it will work together plus the cost is very reasonable.

I predate indexing & remember well it's introduction (which was a 
revelation) and I think friction shifting when you don't have to is 
ludicrous all around. Heretic words here I know! 

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 9:29:44 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> I’m sure this has been covered before but I’ll ask anyway. 
> Using. 135mm mountain hub from Shimano, will an 11 speed cassette work?
> I’m considering a 1x drivetrain and would prefer to use a hub I already 
> have. 
>
> Secondly, it looks like SRAM and Shimano both make/made 11 speed rear 
> derailers. 
> Anyone have their preferences?
>  Does friction shifting become ludicrous at 11?
>
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Re: FOR SALE: Custom Rivendell Road Bike

[Philip Barrett]

Bruce; please read the thread. This is a less than ideal situation for the 
seller.

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 10:58:45 AM UTC-5 Bruce Baker wrote:

> Size??
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 24, 2021, at 10:40 PM, helen wilson  wrote:
>
>  
>
> Hello,
> This is my husband's bike.  Unfortunately, it is being sold because he 
> passed away, and took many specifics with him.  I have been in contact with 
> Rivendell, although their records are not as extensive for older custom 
> bikes.
>
> I will contact to ask about frame size and a (likely) guestimate of when 
> the bike was built.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Helen
>
> Sent from Outlook 
>
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> behalf of Berkeleyan 
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:54 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: FOR SALE: Custom Rivendell Road Bike 
>  
> Do you happen to know the size of the frame? When was it built?
>
> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 5:24:54 PM UTC-7 hm_w...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> -Curt Goodrich built Rivendell Road bike with custom paint by Joe Bell
> -Phil Wood hubs built to Sun CR18 rims
> -SHIMANO Deore XT m772 rear derailer
> -Deore XT cantilever brakes
> -Nitto handlebars and stem
> -Silver bar-end shifters
>
> Immaculately cared for.  Stored in climate controlled garage.
> Located in Pacific Northwest.
>
> Asking $2000, plus shipping if applicable.
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[RBW] Re: Can an 11speed cassette fit on an 8-9-10 hub

[Philip Barrett]

I'm with you on that - made some big deals at a bike swap meet just 
yesterday!

But that being said, there's a value to be placed on your time, stress 
level & riding-zen. To my mind, if you can build up a reliable, smoothly 
shifting system with the minimum of fuss for well under $200 new it's 
probably money well spent.

I'm doing a 1x9 on my Platypus with existing parts from a Clem build, 
however I have in the back of my mind that it may end up being a 1x11 
exactly as we're discussing.

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 11:51:33 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> Thank you Philip
>
> I’m not opposed to indexing at all, but being one to use what I have vs 
> buying new is always a consideration. 
>
> Cheers,
> Ray
>
> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 7:08:05 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes - provided it's a mountain cluster as the lowest cog (smallest) is 
>> dished to fit the wheel.
>>
>> The Shimano M7000 series of components will work for you. As will SRAM 
>> Apex and MicroShift XCD. The Shimano is easiest as there's no mixing & 
>> matching, if it says "7000" it will work together plus the cost is very 
>> reasonable.
>>
>> I predate indexing & remember well it's introduction (which was a 
>> revelation) and I think friction shifting when you don't have to is 
>> ludicrous all around. Heretic words here I know! 
>>
>> On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 9:29:44 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> I’m sure this has been covered before but I’ll ask anyway. 
>>> Using. 135mm mountain hub from Shimano, will an 11 speed cassette work?
>>> I’m considering a 1x drivetrain and would prefer to use a hub I already 
>>> have. 
>>>
>>> Secondly, it looks like SRAM and Shimano both make/made 11 speed rear 
>>> derailers. 
>>> Anyone have their preferences?
>>>  Does friction shifting become ludicrous at 11?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you 
>>> Ray
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] What draws you to a single speed bike?

[Philip Barrett]

My winter bike when I was racing was an 80's Team Technium, not quite as 
ugly as they were blue with white lugs bag then. Still looked like a trip 
to the plumbing department though!

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 2:41:45 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> One of my favorite fixed gear beaters, back circa 2003-2005-6, was an 
> early Raleigh Technium sports tourer for about $25 from Goodwill, with 
> narrow gauge aluminum tubes stuck into ugly plumbing pipe lugs (lugs were 
> painted black to emphasize their blockiness against the red tubes). Long 
> wheelbase; heavy -- heavier than many steel bikes I have owned; noodly. I 
> shod it with white Vittoria clinchers that were wide for the time at about 
> 32 mm, installed a Tubus Fly rack and a ~17 t cog on the freewheel hub, and 
> use it as a commuter for a couple of years until I decided it was stupid to 
> have that 2003 Curt Goodrich hanging on the wall gathering dust while I did 
> most of my riding, commuting across town, on a beater. Dave Porter 
> converted the 2003 to horizontals and remove the shifting brazed-on bits. 
>
> But the Raleigh also served as a baby chariot puller (I had a 2-seater, 
> for child and groceries), and we had some fun times battling NM headwinds 
> on the Rio Grande bike path to and from old town. I wish I still had that 
> Raleigh; it was a plush ride indeed, even if not exactly spritely (it 
> probably could have taken 38s at a pinch).
>
> The Raleigh handled rear loads well with the stiff Fly; recall carrying 
> about 20 lb of library books -- stack 2' high -- on the left side only to 
> drop off at the mid-point library during a commute to work.
>
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 12:34 PM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> Well this conversation got the juices going so I picked this up at a 
>> local swap meet yesterday for $40. Bike was semi-complete (some pretty 
>> junky parts but BB, HS & brakes were good) & came with 2 wheelsets, I 
>> forgot to take a "before" picture  before I stripped it though. Plan is for 
>> a single speed conversion using the rear wheel that has the Shimano hub and 
>> a convertor/spacer set. Need to find some commuter tires (white sidewalls 
>> ya think?) but I have nearly the rest I need to complete including a rather 
>> nice vintage Suigino crank.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210425_170817317.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 1992 Bridgestone MB-4 in Nashville

[Philip Barrett]

My daughter is the proud owner, her words were "it's very comfortable."

Thanks for making the sale. An MB-4 with Brooks & Nitto, it's the gateway 
drug to full Rivendell!

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 11:12:22 AM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> Bike has sold locally. Thanks to all who inquired.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:59:43 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> My daughter is in Nashville & interested in this.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 4:40:47 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> My fault!!! It's $400.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 1:19:41 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Price?



 On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 10:01:18 PM UTC-7 exliontamer wrote:

> Hey all. I have a 49cm/55cm tt Bridgestone MB-4 for sale. Bonus 
> additions from stock are Nitto Albatross bars, Brooks B67 saddle, Suntour 
> Barcons, Shimano CX-50 brakes, and new Continental Speed Contact tires. 
> Happy to send more pics if you're interested. I prefer a local Nashville 
> sale but can work out meeting up if you're in a surrounding area. I'm 
> also 
> happy to ship as long as the buyer is willing to pay full shipping costs. 
> Thanks![image: IMG_2827.jpg]



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[RBW] Re: Are Shimano and SRAM 11speed mountain interchangeable?

[Philip Barrett]

Basically all interchangeable with some slight disagreements on the chain; 
match the chain to the cassette say some, pooey to that say others. 

[image: Compatibility-tables.002.png]


On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 8:44:08 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> As a follow up question re; 11 speed on 8-9-10 hubs. 
>
> Are Shimano and SRAM 11 speed cassettes and derailers interchangeable. 
> David Person posted an article outlining the differences between freehubs. 
> Assuming the SRAM cassette designed for Shimano HG is used, do I need to 
> use a Shimano derailer?
>
> If I use a Shimano 11 speed cassette can I use the SRAM 11 speed derailer?
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

I use CRC Marine Lubricant which is basically the same stuff Blue Lug use;

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/BAXY9P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You're not going to hurt the frame by doing it twice, when my non-prep 
arrives (I'm jelly) I'll be using this too.



On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 8:27:08 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Platy arrived via UPS yesterday!  I plan to move 80% of the parts from 
> another bike over to it. Question - are the interior of these bikes ED 
> coated or should I use frame saver?  I assumed frame saver but after I 
> search of this forum I really haven't seen anything about MIT Rivs.  Mine 
> was the "non prep" option from Riv.
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

Got a wee note from UPS today! 

[image: 73f002cade6cbaaa2e2be806417dee8e.png]

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 1:53:18 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

>
> I like looping it around the drive side of the seatpost in this situation 
> - kind of enlarges the radius of the bend while keeping it close to the 
> seatpost and frame. Use the longest hanger you can find - Surly makes a 
> long one.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:38:50 PM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Nathan,
>> I'm going with canti brakes. I should be running the housing/cables 
>> tonight or tomorrow.  I have a set of Velo Orange Zeste cantis that I've 
>> been holding on to. The issue with the rear setup is to have the housing 
>> loop up so it touches the seatpost, I think.  Otherwise you'll have the 
>> housing contacting the seatpost lug. I'm not sure how it will look, but 
>> that's how I saw one another person set it up (Blue Lug?).  I don't like 
>> how Crust did it as it will rub the paint off of the lug (see their $3800 
>> Platy).  
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> I'll share photos when I get them set up.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 6:44 PM Nathan F  wrote:
>>
>>> It's been nice seeing everyone get their frames, both here and on 
>>> Instagram. Lots of great builds so far and plenty of inspiration for how 
>>> I'll route the rear cantilever on mine. Seems I'm not the only one who 
>>> wanted to use cantis!
>>>
>>> Yesterday the front rack came in for mine... now all that's left are the 
>>> rims and frameset! Pending any further delays, I should be riding my 
>>> Platypus in about 5 weeks or so.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

UPS has updated the delivery to today, unless I've forgotten a part I 
should be out & about for the weekend.

Tha mi cho toilichte!

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 9:55:39 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Philip - YAY Oh maybe you will get it in time for the weekend!
>
> I’m anxious to hear of the Platys that have surely been landing on 
> doorsteps around America. Anyone else want to delight us with your words 
> and photos?
>
> So happy for you!
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 3, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> Got a wee note from UPS today! 
>
>
> <73f002cade6cbaaa2e2be806417dee8e.png>
>
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 1:53:18 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>>
>> I like looping it around the drive side of the seatpost in this situation 
>> - kind of enlarges the radius of the bend while keeping it close to the 
>> seatpost and frame. Use the longest hanger you can find - Surly makes a 
>> long one.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 2:38:50 PM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> Nathan,
>>> I'm going with canti brakes. I should be running the housing/cables 
>>> tonight or tomorrow.  I have a set of Velo Orange Zeste cantis that I've 
>>> been holding on to. The issue with the rear setup is to have the housing 
>>> loop up so it touches the seatpost, I think.  Otherwise you'll have the 
>>> housing contacting the seatpost lug. I'm not sure how it will look, but 
>>> that's how I saw one another person set it up (Blue Lug?).  I don't like 
>>> how Crust did it as it will rub the paint off of the lug (see their $3800 
>>> Platy).  
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> I'll share photos when I get them set up.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 6:44 PM Nathan F  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's been nice seeing everyone get their frames, both here and on 
>>>> Instagram. Lots of great builds so far and plenty of inspiration for how 
>>>> I'll route the rear cantilever on mine. Seems I'm not the only one who 
>>>> wanted to use cantis!
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday the front rack came in for mine... now all that's left are 
>>>> the rims and frameset! Pending any further delays, I should be riding my 
>>>> Platypus in about 5 weeks or so.
>>>>
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[RBW] Portland Design Works - Wow!

[Philip Barrett]

I ordered a set of PDW Sodapop fenders last weekend and on Tuesday I got an 
email apologizing for a delay in shipping (which I confess I hadn't 
actually noticed) and refunding my shipping costs!

Good products AND good people. Spend your money with companies that care.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks! Amazing how the early 80's (just pre-dayglo) grays are all the rage 
again eh? That Univega looks lovely and I think you'll be fine with a 650b 
around 28-32mm, remember you'll need the Tektro R559 calipers to reach the 
rims though. You'll love the ride I guarantee it!

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:03:28 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:

> And those are awesome too Patrick!
> I see cranks I don't know, lots o tire volume, and what a light mount!
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 4:00:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> Sorry Shawn! :)
>>
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I've owned 5 Rivendells and still own 1. These other 2 bikes are 
>>> Rivendell influenced and perhaps even Grant Peterseon inspired.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

Talking of calipers...with these types of conversions the measuring kind 
are your BFF. You don't need to spend a lot of money but being able to 
accurately measure spacings and widths makes all this a lot easier and math 
is cheaper than buying parts that don't fit. Digitals are best as you can 
switch between metric & old school with the press of a button. The set I 
use are these, all of $24 worth, probably not as accurate as they could be 
but we're building bikes here not centrifuges -

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GSLKIW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 7:28:56 PM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:

> Thanks! Amazing how the early 80's (just pre-dayglo) grays are all the 
> rage again eh? That Univega looks lovely and I think you'll be fine with a 
> 650b around 28-32mm, remember you'll need the Tektro R559 calipers to reach 
> the rims though. You'll love the ride I guarantee it!
>
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 6:03:28 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:
>
>> And those are awesome too Patrick!
>> I see cranks I don't know, lots o tire volume, and what a light mount!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 4:00:01 PM UTC-7 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry Shawn! :)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:00:17 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've owned 5 Rivendells and still own 1. These other 2 bikes are 
>>>> Rivendell influenced and perhaps even Grant Peterseon inspired.
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto F-16 Front Bag Support

[Philip Barrett]

I've bought from these guys in Japan before, service was excellent & 
shipping was reasonable & fast.

https://alexscycle.com/products/nitto-f16-front-handlebar-hook-bag-supporter-1?_pos=1&_sid=6af8ae1c7&_ss=r


On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 6:54:56 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

>
> As far as I can tell, these are sold out in the states (I've ordered from 
> two places that have them "in stock" just to hear that they don't).  Anyone 
> have one?  Shipped to 19154.  In the second link, the application and the 
> bag are almost identical to what I'll be using it for.  I do not have the 
> tools, the talent or the inclination for a DYI job.  (thanks to John H. who 
> let me know about this--it's exactly what I want)
>
> https://www.bike-components.de/en/NITTO/F16-Handlebar-Bag-Supporter-p67099/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/138654205@N05/23990144171
>
> Cross post with iBob forum. 
>
> Please PM. 
>
> Thanks,
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Philip Barrett]

I'm running the Rene Hearse Loups (650b) with tubes on my 50cm, now I 
understand what all the fuss is about. They're fantastic & I'm sure the 
rest of their range is of the same caliber.

PB

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 2:00:09 PM UTC-5 Kushan wrote:

> Based on 55 cm frame size, I am assuming you plan to run 700c tires 
> (couldn't tell since you have 27.5 on your Clem). I have 700 x 38 mm 
> Panaracer Gravel king on my Roadini and they have been really great. 
> Despite the name, they are more of a road/slick tires with some light 
> treading which gives good traction on dirt. I ride unloaded but I am heavy 
> myself (200+ lbs) and find that they provide ample cushioning filled at 
> 70ish PSI. I recently did a 70 mile day ride and they kept me comfortable 
> all day. 
>
> Never tired the Shikoro (btw they are made by Soma, not Panaracer) but 
> heard that they are quite similar PR Gravelkings. 
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 11:36:09 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> Oh joy!  My mermaid Platypus 55 cm frame is on the way!  There’s no ETA 
>> yet on Velocity Dyad wheels from Rich at RBW,  however I want to be ready 
>> and am seeking the wisdom of the group for recommendations on tires.  
>>
>> Details: 
>> —Soma fenders, 52mm, that allow for tires up to 42mm
>> —Light build, mostly planning for road riding or Rails to Trails paths 
>> —Minimal loads for day rides
>> —I’ll be using tubes and don’t need “tubeless ready.”
>> —No super light casings because I want some flat protection
>> —I have a Clem for hauling and riding dirt trails using Schwalbe Big 
>> Bens, 27.5 x 2.0
>>
>> Options contemplated:
>> —Panaracer Shikoro 38mm (can’t locate 42 in stock)
>> —Panaracer Gravel King (not sure which one)
>>
>> Your thoughts and advice?  What would you recommend?  What else should I 
>> consider? 
>>
>> —Joyce
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Need Platypus tire advice

[Philip Barrett]

Yes, mine is the 50cm, good choice for my 81 PBH I think?

On a 650b I've most recently ridden the Kendas (like wood but not as 
pliant) & the Soma/Panaracer Co de Vie (not bad), on a 700c the Panaracer 
Gravel King (again, not bad). Now I promise to shut up after this, but 
after the RH I'm never going back to another brand, they're that much 
better. The 1st ride was all it took.

The People rest, your Honor.

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 6:19:45 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Phil--Your Platy is a 50cm?
>
> Joyce, I'm so happy for you.  
>
> These are the ones I think (I could check later) Analog speced for my 
> Platy--with the same riding info--mostly road, pea gravel, perhaps a touch 
> off pavement in case I need to be):  
> https://analogcycles.com/product/panaracer-gravelking-semi-knobby-tires/  
> Officially, they are 43cm.
>
> I just got a pair from a fellow member in 38's that I put on my she 
> devil.  I might have only ridden 10 miles but they are better than the 
> Marathon supreme that were on there (and I didn't mind the supremes).  
>
> Roberta
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 2:36:09 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> Oh joy!  My mermaid Platypus 55 cm frame is on the way!  There’s no ETA 
>> yet on Velocity Dyad wheels from Rich at RBW,  however I want to be ready 
>> and am seeking the wisdom of the group for recommendations on tires.  
>>
>> Details: 
>> —Soma fenders, 52mm, that allow for tires up to 42mm
>> —Light build, mostly planning for road riding or Rails to Trails paths 
>> —Minimal loads for day rides
>> —I’ll be using tubes and don’t need “tubeless ready.”
>> —No super light casings because I want some flat protection
>> —I have a Clem for hauling and riding dirt trails using Schwalbe Big 
>> Bens, 27.5 x 2.0
>>
>> Options contemplated:
>> —Panaracer Shikoro 38mm (can’t locate 42 in stock)
>> —Panaracer Gravel King (not sure which one)
>>
>> Your thoughts and advice?  What would you recommend?  What else should I 
>> consider? 
>>
>> —Joyce
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike Snob NYC gets a Platypus

[Philip Barrett]

I called him out on it a couple of days ago. Snob, we all know what's 
coming!

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 6:43:58 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I did not see Eben becoming a full-on mixte-riding Riv guy. Cats and dogs, 
> living together!
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 4:25:33 PM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:
>
>> He's quite excited!
>>
>> So, that makes three in his household within the past year--AHHilsen, 
>> Clem L (for his wife), and Platypus.  
>>
>> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2021/05/11/its-here-its-here/ 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks! I'm thinking it would be fun to build you up something in a larger 
size, I'll keep my eye open.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com wrote:

> Philip, I saw this bike on CL and was very sad it wasn't in my size; it's 
> a beautiful build! If you ever have anything in the 58-60cm range, let me 
> know; I'm in your market!
>
> I remember a thread I stumbled across a few years back when I first got 
> into bike commuting called "What's the Poor Man's Rivendell" over on 
> bikeforums and it was an inspiration to me. Lots of great bikes on there. 
> Since then I've been through a few bikes as I commute daily to work. This 
> '86 Schwinn Cimarron is my current commuter and needs a few details, like 
> fenders, but is probably the closest I've come to the Riv style yet.
> [image: IMG_20201110_113604536.jpg]
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Bice ride. This one even ended up as a 650b for a while which made an 
>> already comfortable bike a complete barco-lounger! Currently up for sale in 
>> Dallas if anyone's interested.
>>
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/dallas-trek-lugged-reynolds-city-build/7317177164.html
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210124_165847266.jpg]
>>
>> I also have an MB-6 single-speed build nearly finished, inspired by Riv's 
>> recent posting of the Bridgestone SS.
>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5 Clayton Stahnke wrote:
>>
>>> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few months 
>>> now and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I don't have 
>>> any Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>>>
>>> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I figured 
>>> I would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in question is 
>>> a 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from a Rivendell ;)
>>>
>>> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed a 
>>> new project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty much 
>>> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
>>> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in with 
>>> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
>>> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival since 
>>> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b wheelset 
>>> (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty into a 
>>> "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished product and boy 
>>> howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this bike. I 
>>> usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, but this 
>>> Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days riding 
>>> around campus again.  
>>>
>>> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
>>> inspired builds!
>>>
>>> -Clayton
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

Thanks Joyce, I already have about 60 miles on it from last weekend. 
Obviously there's some confirmation bias at play but (and apparently 
BikesnobNYC agrees here) it really is an incredible ride. So smooth & 
comfortable but also deceptively quick and handles beautifully.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 4:37:28 PM UTC-5 JAS wrote:

> Congratulations, Phillip!  What a beauty.  The brass bell looks so nice 
> with the grips. Let us know what you think of the ride when it stops 
> raining.
>
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 1:23:18 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks! A meet n' greet would be lovely. The Green Spot is always a good 
>> place as we can preceed or proceed with a trip around White Rock?
>>
>> A few finishing touches today; I gave up trying to make the Tektro FL750 
>> levers work with V-Brakes, I know they're not supposed to but they look so 
>> cool don't they? Had lots of braking power but hard to modulate adjusting 
>> was non-existent. I found a cheap set of levers on Amazon that seemed to be 
>> well reviewed, they're actually pretty nic, especially for the $12.99 price 
>> tag.
>>
>> SKS P50 fenders went on, they're a bit of a PITA to fit to a level worthy 
>> of a Platypus but the end result was worth the effort I think.
>>
>> Aside from that it was new Shellac'd cork grips & a quick adjustment to 
>> the real wheel bearing. The only thing left on the punch list (for now) is 
>> to wire wheel the kick stand to silver, pure aesthetics of course! Now it 
>> needs to stop raining.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210512_200646276.jpg]
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210512_200754931.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:16:50 AM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>
>>> Philip, 
>>> Nicely done!
>>> A real beaut of a bike!
>>>
>>> I look forward to seeing it in person at some point.
>>>
>>> Hopefully you, the two Jim's, Luis and I can meet up soon and share a 5 
>>> Riv ride.
>>>
>>> That's all the Dallas/Ft Worth Riv owners I'm aware of.
>>>
>>> Perhaps there are others.
>>> If so give us a shout out and join in.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas
>>>
>>> PS.
>>>
>>> Regarding group of Platypus.
>>>
>>> https://www.quora.com/What-do-you-call-a-group-of-platypus?share=1
>>>
>>> Quote from above link:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Well, based on what I found, a group of platypus can either be called a
>>>  paddle or a puddle.
>>>
>>> Just don’t call them a piddle or a poddle, because that just sounds 
>>> silly."
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Rear Drop Outs

[Philip Barrett]

Wow! I guess a straightened rear triangle is probably irrelevant at this 
point? Seriously cool build, how many chains did it take to reach the 
cassette?

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 2:27:51 PM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I finally got it built up last week and it's riding great! The 26" front 
> wheel did not work on the 52cm Clem fork. So I got a 650b up front and kept 
> the 26" rear. It handles really well and rides like a dream. Flexy in all 
> the right ways and places. 
>
> Below is a pic and here's a video of my wife and daughter riding it 
> <https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/17870970557366927/>. Let me 
> know if you have any questions about the build etc. 
>
> [image: clem-xtracycle.jpg]
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 3:17 PM Dave  wrote:
>
>> How'd this end up for you Justin? Tempted to try a free radical on the 
>> back of a 650b proto-bleriotwould either be running the 650b with the 
>> expense of the paul motolite brakes (I think that would work), or would be 
>> buying a 26" wheel and running a mismatched 650b up front 26" in back. 
>> Curious to hear your feedback!
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:28:34 AM UTC-7 Justin Kennedy 
>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>
>>> UPDATE. Turns out a 26" wheel on a 52 Clem L does not work with a 
>>> regular V-brake or canti brake. There may be a way for it to work with some 
>>> other set up but I'm going with the mullet set up - 650b up front and a 26" 
>>> on the Xtracycle Free Radical extension. Just waiting on the new wheel to 
>>> arrive.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 5, 2021 at 1:55:38 AM UTC-4 Nerl L. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Justin,
>>>> I'm on a Clem 52 H, so if the fork is different from the L, then this 
>>>> may not help.   Center to center, front axle to brake post is 10-1/2".
>>>>
>>>> By the way, one year plus later, I'm still happily on the bars, stem 
>>>> and saddle I got from you!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Noah
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 3:14:55 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, since it's going to have an Xtracycle extension on the rear, 
>>>>> that rear axle measurement doesn't matter much. i just need to know 
>>>>> whether 
>>>>> a 26" wheel would fit up front. So if anyone with a 52 Clem L could 
>>>>> measure 
>>>>> the distance from the center of your front axle to the canti/V-brake 
>>>>> posts, 
>>>>> that would be greatly appreciated. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 12:57:57 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ask any Clem owner to measure from the center of the rear axle to the 
>>>>>> center of the brake caliper bolt, that's the magic number you need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:36:08 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmm you're right, the Motolites are built to go the other way -- 
>>>>>>> fitting 650b or 700c to a bike meant for 26". I currently have a cheap 
>>>>>>> Shimano V-brake on the front. Will measure and see if there's any room 
>>>>>>> for 
>>>>>>> losing reach. I like your canti suggestion too. I may email Riv and see 
>>>>>>> what their thoughts are. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 10:26 AM Philip Barrett  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it helps, the 650b wheels that came off this measure as;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Axle C to inner edge of of rim = 290mm
>>>>>>>> Axle C to outer edge of rim = 305mm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To my calculations you'll need to lose (not gain) 25mm of reach. 
>>>>>>>> Centerpull cantilevers might get you there?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then again, for the price of a pair of Paul's you could buy a nice 
>>>>>>>> set of 650b wheel & call it done?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 1, 2021 at 9:16:40 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy 
>>>>>>>> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

[RBW] Re: Pseudo-Rivendell Thread?

[Philip Barrett]

That's super nice, the 650b is the way to go & thank goodness for the 
Tektro R559s for making these conversions possible. My next one (after I 
sell the Bridgestone single-speed MTB) will hopefully be based on a more 
touring oriented frameset where I will have to reach for the measuring 
calipers a little less, do some vintage cantilevers and have real mounting 
points for racks & fenders.

On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 7:52:42 PM UTC-5 Fullylugged wrote:

> [image: Ferrous Beuller.jpg]
> Here's Ferrous Bueller. A Japanese Tange CroMo frameset with a 650B 
> conversion. Couple of RBW items on it and a seat tube decal from this list. 
> Picture is a few years old but the bike is basically the same today. 
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 3:27:05 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks! I'm thinking it would be fun to build you up something in a 
>> larger size, I'll keep my eye open.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 12, 2021 at 9:44:21 AM UTC-5 max.c@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Philip, I saw this bike on CL and was very sad it wasn't in my size; 
>>> it's a beautiful build! If you ever have anything in the 58-60cm range, let 
>>> me know; I'm in your market!
>>>
>>> I remember a thread I stumbled across a few years back when I first got 
>>> into bike commuting called "What's the Poor Man's Rivendell" over on 
>>> bikeforums and it was an inspiration to me. Lots of great bikes on there. 
>>> Since then I've been through a few bikes as I commute daily to work. This 
>>> '86 Schwinn Cimarron is my current commuter and needs a few details, like 
>>> fenders, but is probably the closest I've come to the Riv style yet.
>>> [image: IMG_20201110_113604536.jpg]
>>> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 1:26:59 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Bice ride. This one even ended up as a 650b for a while which made an 
 already comfortable bike a complete barco-lounger! Currently up for sale 
 in 
 Dallas if anyone's interested.


 https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/dallas-trek-lugged-reynolds-city-build/7317177164.html

 [image: PXL_20210124_165847266.jpg]

 I also have an MB-6 single-speed build nearly finished, inspired by 
 Riv's recent posting of the Bridgestone SS.
 On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-5 Clayton Stahnke wrote:

> I've been an admiring (lurking?) member of this group for a few months 
> now and I've really wanted to post something for a while...but I don't 
> have 
> any Rivendell frames (yet!). 
>
> However, many of my builds are heavily Rivendell-inspired and I 
> figured I would share my latest project here with you all. The bike in 
> question is a 1987 Bridgestone 550 (53cm), so it's not too far off from a 
> Rivendell ;)
>
> I purchased this bike off CL last summer as an impulse buy--I needed a 
> new project and the price point was just right for me. It was pretty much 
> entirely stock with only a few paint chips--I'd call this color "Blue 
> Sharpie" since most of the paint chips were inconspicuously filled in 
> with 
> blue sharpie ink. I threw some bones at it to make it into a zippy 
> singlespeed, but it sat in the garage for most of its initial revival 
> since 
> the 700cx25 wheelset was a bit too harsh for my tastes. 
>
> Fast forward to last month, I was able to secure a sturdy 650b 
> wheelset (Thanks, David B!) and I took a stab at converting this beauty 
> into a "Track-lo-neur" of sorts. The photo below is the finished product 
> and boy howdy, what a world of a difference the wheelset makes for this 
> bike. I usually ride an Atlantis-ified Diamondback Apex around town, but 
> this Homebrew Saluki makes me feel like I'm back in my college days 
> riding 
> around campus again.  
>
> Any other Rivendell wannabes out there? I'd love to hear about your 
> inspired builds!
>
> -Clayton
>
> [image: IMG_1440.JPG]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Philip Barrett]

I did this with a hacksaw just yesterday! Should have done it your way, 
pure laziness not wanting to leave the house & buy replacement Dremel parts.

For cutting you want their E-Z Cut system which has a nice quick release. 
Use the "real" Dremel wheels as the quality of the cuts is so much higher 
with less likelihood of shattering.

https://www.dremel.com/au/en/p/dremel-ez-lock-metal-cut-off-wheel-ez456-v746

For smoothing & sanding, they make an E-Z Lock system for their 13mm 
mandrels which should work great.

https://www.dremel.com/au/en/p/dremel-ez-lock-sanding-mandrel-sanding-band-ez407-v742



On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:50:11 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> Hi all, I'm fixing to cut some fender stays and rack struts with my Dremel 
> rotary.
>
> Wow, there are an incredible number of attachment options. It's rather 
> paralyzing.
>
> I'd be grateful if you could recommend (1) a Dremel attachment for cutting 
> stays or struts, and (2) an attachment for smoothing out the sharp edges 
> after the cuts.
>
> Thanks for any information.
>

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[RBW] Re: question re Dremel attachments

[Philip Barrett]

Streuth mate, how about the US links, not the Aussie ones;

https://us.dremel.com/en_US/products/-/show-product/accessories/dremel-ez406-02-ez-lock-cut-off-wheel-starter-kit

https://us.dremel.com/en_US/products/-/show-product/accessories/ez407sa-ez-drum-mandrel

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-5 Philip Barrett wrote:

> I did this with a hacksaw just yesterday! Should have done it your way, 
> pure laziness not wanting to leave the house & buy replacement Dremel parts.
>
> For cutting you want their E-Z Cut system which has a nice quick release. 
> Use the "real" Dremel wheels as the quality of the cuts is so much higher 
> with less likelihood of shattering.
>
>
> https://www.dremel.com/au/en/p/dremel-ez-lock-metal-cut-off-wheel-ez456-v746
>
> For smoothing & sanding, they make an E-Z Lock system for their 13mm 
> mandrels which should work great.
>
>
> https://www.dremel.com/au/en/p/dremel-ez-lock-sanding-mandrel-sanding-band-ez407-v742
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 9:50:11 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I'm fixing to cut some fender stays and rack struts with my 
>> Dremel rotary.
>>
>> Wow, there are an incredible number of attachment options. It's rather 
>> paralyzing.
>>
>> I'd be grateful if you could recommend (1) a Dremel attachment for 
>> cutting stays or struts, and (2) an attachment for smoothing out the sharp 
>> edges after the cuts.
>>
>> Thanks for any information.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 700c Wheel recommendations

[Philip Barrett]

Velocity are really good people & full of useful advice, sort of the 
Rivendell of wheels. You can reach out to them directly for input, their 
marketing guy (Ian) has been a huge help to me in the past.

On Friday, May 14, 2021 at 6:48:23 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:

> I use Velocity Atlas wheels on my Sam, and they’ve been good with any tire 
> size I’ve tried up through 50mm. I’m 200 lbs plus, so I use 36 spokes.  
> They are possibly a bit of overkill for my typical 42mm tires, but they’ve 
> been trouble free.
> My touring bike has Velocity Dyads and they run fine with up to 42mm tires 
> - I haven’t tried them with anything bigger, though they should fit 50mm.  
> Also 36 spokes since they carry me plus 35 pounds for a loaded tour, and 
> also trouble free.
>
> Cliffhangers probably are overkill, because a heavier wheel makes it a 
> little tougher to do the hills.  Over time this matters - like going 
> tubeless.  Your riding style isn’t as important as the ability to handle a 
> wider tire, however.  A 50 mm tire on an A23 would be squeezing it.  A 
> Cliffhanger, Atlas or Dyad should handle it just fine.
> My recommendation for your riding style and tire size would be the Atlas.  
> Lighter weight than the Cliffhangers, and plenty strong.  They also come 
> with eyelets to prevent cracking around the spoke holes.
>
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[RBW] Re: My Betty Foy after 10 years

[Philip Barrett]

Really awesome & inspiring! 

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 12:49:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I draw a lot of inspiration from you and your Betty, Pam! Thanks for 
> chronicling its journey. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 15 May 2021 at 18:11:15 UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I wanted to share pictures of a Riv after 10 years with lots of 
>> beausage.  
>> I'm terrible at Wordpress and not sure how to format it so it's cobbled 
>> together but I did put all the pictures there and some fun facts.  I love 
>> my bike.  It's the one thing I use everyday and enjoy riding it still.
>>
>> http://cltspokespeople.org/my-betty-foy-after-10-years/
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

I'm blushing - thanks!

I enjoy a good climb (or as good as a "climb" gets in N. Texas) and my 
hands were slipping little if I pulled back on the bars, hopefully this 
will help. 

On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 6:08:45 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That's the best grip aesthetic I've seen. The only "tourist" bar grips 
> that agree with my left palm are Ergon GP1 grips, and those cut back (tho I 
> see Ergon offers an abbreviated model: https://tinyurl.com/y4fjxb5v) and 
> very precisely arranged, but I'd do this if my palm could stand it.
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 12:57 PM Philip Barrett  
> wrote:
>
>> It's raining & thunder today so I decided I needed a little more traction 
>> on the cork grips. I was going to do the chainstay too but ran out of hemp 
>> twine.
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210516_175123073.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it 
would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take 
a file or grinder to it though.

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> That kickstand looks great!  Mine is all black and tarnished.  Want to 
> hear an odd one?  My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) 
> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus.  It was too narrow by a couple 
> of mm.  So I got a different kickstand.  Quality control issue I guess.
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: Centerpull Rear Cable Management

[Philip Barrett]

Pictures would help?

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:57:24 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> I've got some Paul Racer's on my Roadini. I am using the small adjustable 
> Nitto hanger. I've never been happy with the bend in the housing (Jagwire 
> Pro). It works, but it rubs a little and I am looking for tips on how to 
> get some smoother braking. Length? Bending tips? Different housing?
>
> Thanks!
> Bones
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[RBW] Re: Centerpull Rear Cable Management

[Philip Barrett]

I was going to suggest the same but wanted to see what was going on in case 
there was another issue

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:27:12 AM UTC-7 Bones wrote:

> Yep, that's the ticket. I've got a longer Nitto one but I'd really like it 
> to be adjustable. Thanks Laing!
>
> Bones
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 1:11:44 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Use a longer hanger. Nitto, Surly, Rene Herse, Paul Funky Monkey, 
>> Dia-Compe. Vintage Weinmann and Mafac.
>>
>> I like the Surly - nice and long, and adjustable. if you take out the 
>> adjuster lock nut, you can even get a touch of extra length.
>>
>> [image: Capture.JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 12:57:24 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I've got some Paul Racer's on my Roadini. I am using the small 
>>> adjustable Nitto hanger. I've never been happy with the bend in the housing 
>>> (Jagwire Pro). It works, but it rubs a little and I am looking for tips on 
>>> how to get some smoother braking. Length? Bending tips? Different housing?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Bones
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

I see you did go for the 1x - nice choice & a classy build all around. Make 
sure they do a wrap & twine on the chain stay.

On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:35:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Roberta, I am SO excited for you. Analog does the most beautiful work, 
> don’t they? They never turn out a bad build. Beautiful, special details 
> that the owner will recognize and treasure. I love your classy Peacock 
> Platy. 
>
> This will be your first bike built from frame up, right? I can hardly wait 
> for you to go to Analog this weekend and send me the pics. Roberta and I 
> have Marco Polo, a video messaging app so we can get all our words out 
> without having to type them. I’m expecting her to send me hours of footage 
> this weekend, lol!
>
> It’s great to see these Platys get built and will be even more endearing 
> watching you all put your miles on them and telling of your travails. Like 
> Pam Murray!
>
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 26, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sneak Peak from Analog.  I don't have the bike yet.  
>
> The saddle is a B68 that I will be covering with a black saddle cover.  
> Once I realized it was to be Mermaid GREEN and not Mermaid BLUE (with my 
> original Peacock theme), I told Candice "just surprise me."  She "gets" me. 
>
> Understated and elegant.  Colors: Mermaid green, black, silver and 
> white--neutrals used as color, and I love it!  Most of the parts have two 
> colors in them--white/black for the grips, silver/black for the fenders, 
> rack, and front chain ring/trouser guard combo Handlebar is Billie.  
> Rainbow spoke nipple arrangement (zoom in on front rim).  
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:23:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> - Platyphernalia -
>>
>> Someone at RBW right now: 
>>
>> "Do we sell platypus pins? 
>> SOMEBODY ORDER PLATYPUS PINS!" 
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Platyphernalia.
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>>
>>> Oooh I love that pin. The world of platypii paraphernalia is one I 
>>> wasn't previously aware of, but clearly thriving. 
>>>
>>> And sure, it might be a coincidence. But all I know is I've been acutely 
>>> aware the Billie has been in stock for a few weeks now and had been idly 
>>> considering whether I should jump on the opportunity to buy it, when you 
>>> got one and seemingly moments later it was out of stock.  Maybe there was 
>>> only two or three left at that time!  Maybe it's Leah-hype! 
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 5:20 PM Leah Peterson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You guys are funny. It’s probably a coincidence. 

 But it is fun to discuss Things I’m Loving Right Now, and right 
 now…it’s PlatyPins! Best showcased on bike bags. #RivSisters, be checking 
 your mailboxes this week!

>>> 

>>>

 Sent from my iPad

 On May 24, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 - Leah promoted the Billie bars and they sold out fast after that, now 
 with a backlog of interest. NO SURPRISE HERE -

 There needs to be an automatic restock order at Riv when Leah buys 
 something. "Hey guys, Leah just ordered this thing and she's going to show 
 it on Instagram and you know what that means!" 😂🤣

 On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 4:52:16 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Leah promoted the Billie bars and they sold out fast after that, now 
> with a backlog of interest.  NO SURPRISE HERE.  Hahaha.. 
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 6:45 AM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> Very nice Philip!
>>
>> So, several of us need Billie Bars and they are currently out of 
>> stock. I hope to see some for sale here on the board. Hint, hint, hint...
>> Doug
>>
>> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 10:46:33 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Another rainy day although I did grab about 25 miles in dreary 
>>> humidity. Spent some of the rest of the day working on my twine & 
>>> wrapping 
>>> skills, I wonder if Blue Lug is hiring?
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20210523_024219127.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 9:18:56 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 "Your metaphors rise almost to the level of literature, and 
 "almost" is not a putdown, either. Seriously, this gives one a much 
 more 
 "concrete" (how's that for a metaphor?) picture of the Billie versus 
 Boscoe."

 Right?? I literally caught my breath at this one:
>>>
>>>
 "The drama queen of Rivendell’s bar line-up, they rise dramatically 
 and sweep way back, like a woman lifting her petticoats."

 I could immediately and vividly see it in my mind's eye and thought 
 to myself HOW DID SHE THINK OF THAT??

 Joe Bernard 

 On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 6:13:56 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

It's not exactly going to change the world but when I look down & see chain 
marks on the twine I think, well that would have been my lovely paintwork 
if not for. Dallas is pothole central so some chain slap even when urban 
riding is to expected.

Plus, it's fun to do, took me a few attempts as, unlike handlebars, the 
profile of the chainstays changes radically. I cut a few darts on the 
inside to allow the fabric to sit smoother.

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:25:46 AM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  Have 
> fun.
>
> Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden only 3 
> bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who knew?  This is 
> something I never thought about but now I am. 
> Kate-Trenton, NJ
> my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have been 
> selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
>
> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine and 
>> it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I have a 
>> clear protector on my chain stay, but I do like the wrap.  Silver I think 
>> would be nice.  I already own the twine and I think I have silver tape and 
>> did that on a prior bike.
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:46:13 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I see you did go for the 1x - nice choice & a classy build all around. 
>>> Make sure they do a wrap & twine on the chain stay.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:35:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Roberta, I am SO excited for you. Analog does the most beautiful work, 
 don’t they? They never turn out a bad build. Beautiful, special details 
 that the owner will recognize and treasure. I love your classy Peacock 
 Platy. 

 This will be your first bike built from frame up, right? I can hardly 
 wait for you to go to Analog this weekend and send me the pics. Roberta 
 and 
 I have Marco Polo, a video messaging app so we can get all our words out 
 without having to type them. I’m expecting her to send me hours of footage 
 this weekend, lol!

 It’s great to see these Platys get built and will be even more 
 endearing watching you all put your miles on them and telling of your 
 travails. Like Pam Murray!

 Leah

 Sent from my iPad

 On May 26, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Roberta  wrote:

 

 Sneak Peak from Analog.  I don't have the bike yet.  

 The saddle is a B68 that I will be covering with a black saddle cover.  
 Once I realized it was to be Mermaid GREEN and not Mermaid BLUE (with my 
 original Peacock theme), I told Candice "just surprise me."  She "gets" 
 me. 

 Understated and elegant.  Colors: Mermaid green, black, silver and 
 white--neutrals used as color, and I love it!  Most of the parts have two 
 colors in them--white/black for the grips, silver/black for the fenders, 
 rack, and front chain ring/trouser guard combo Handlebar is Billie.  
 Rainbow spoke nipple arrangement (zoom in on front rim).  



 On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:23:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> - Platyphernalia -
>
> Someone at RBW right now: 
>
> "Do we sell platypus pins? 
> SOMEBODY ORDER PLATYPUS PINS!" 
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Platyphernalia.
>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>> Oooh I love that pin. The world of platypii paraphernalia is one I 
>> wasn't previously aware of, but clearly thriving. 
>>
>> And sure, it might be a coincidence. But all I know is I've been 
>> acutely aware the Billie has been in stock for a few weeks now and had 
>> been 
>> idly considering whether I should jump on the opportunity to buy it, 
>> when 
>> you got one and seemingly moments later it was out of stock.  Maybe 
>> there 
>> was only two or three left at that time!  Maybe it's Leah-hype! 
>>
>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 5:20 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> You guys are funny. It’s probably a coincidence. 
>>>
>>> But it is fun to discuss Things I’m Loving Right Now, and right 
>>> now…it’s PlatyPins! Best showcased on bike bags. #RivSisters, be 
>>> checking 
>>> your mailboxes this week!
>>>
>> 
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> - Leah promoted the Billie bars and they sold out fast after that, 
>>> now with a backlog of interest. NO SURPRISE HERE -
>>>
>>> There needs to be an automatic restock order at Riv when Leah buys 
>>> something. "Hey guys, Leah just ordered this thing and 

Re: [RBW] Clothing for hot and humid riding

[Philip Barrett]

This is a subject for me too as Dallas starts to steam up. I'm trying the 
Smartwool Merino boxers, so far on one ride (where the weather was truly 
miserable, 95% humidity), will report back on those when I've had a little 
more saddle time. Question; do the Merino t's really work in the kinds of 
conditions we're discussing? When it's too humid for sweat to properly 
evaporate from the skin it would seem these would get wet & heavy? Opinions 
on that welcomed.


On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:51:58 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, all. 
>
> Steve -- Thanks for the tip on the shorts. On special for $38 and made in 
> Oregon, will have to give them a shot! 
>
> Doug -- I hear ya on the seersucker, thanks! I know Grant loves it for hot 
> weather. 
>
> Jeff -- the soaked-through cotton tee is a tricky one! That chill you 
> mention is something I dread. Also once the shirt becomes soaked I struggle 
> with the weight and sag of the fabric. 
>
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:18:15 AM UTC-4 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> +1 on seersucker.  I chose short sleeve + lots of sunscreen.  Extensive 
>> use in 2019 for Chicago to NYC route, starting on July 5.  Interesting 
>> aside: the shirt would be soaked and stayed reasonably cool because of the 
>> evaporative effect.  However when stepping into an air-conditioned 
>> convenience store I actually could not linger long as I would get chilled.  
>> I actually ate the snacks outside in the shade.
>>
>> YMMV.
>>
>> Jeff
>> Claremont, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 5:36:14 AM UTC-7 Doug Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Seersucker shirts. Long sleeve can be best for sunburn protection and 
>>> still almost as cool as short sleeve. But either way, seersucker is about 
>>> as cool as you can get.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 4:41:38 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 Try the Jackson and Gibbens touring shorts, shorter than Riv’s and very 
 light and airy. 
 https://www.bicycleclothing.com/Mens-Touring-Shorts.html
 Steve

 On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 7:35 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> It's getting into the gross season here in Virginia where heat and 
> humidity blend into a delightful sludge. I'm curious to hear from members 
> about their preferred riding clothing for the heat. What's your go-to 
> deal? 
> I'm curious about comfort for longer rides (which for me are in the range 
> of 40-60 miles) in non-cycling cycling clothes. Any experienced riders 
> from 
> the Sticky States have a special blend they'd like to share? 
>
> I often ride in whatever I happen to be wearing and usually that's a 
> cotton tee and a pair of heavy canvas carpenter shorts. For longer rides 
> I 
> prefer a linen or chambray shirt. Linen, in particular, has been great. 
>
> I'm looking for some inspiration to counter my perspiration. The 
> canvas shorts are not ideal. I have two pairs of MUSA shorts from Riv but 
> for my tastes they are way too long and too baggy. I'm resistant to going 
> over to traditional jerseys and shorts, though the idea of Kucharik wool 
> shorts has caught my interest. 
>
> Thanks to all in advance!
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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Philip Barrett]

My Plat came with one in the packaging. I left it on under the wrap - belt 
and braces as we say back home!

On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:12:15 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Kate, until you get that cool wrap done, you can use a clear chain 
> protector
>  
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/chainstay-protector?_pos=5&_sid=d25b413b7&_ss=r
>  
> .
>  
>   The white you see is just the backing. 
>   
> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 9:25:46 AM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Roberta, I love it!!!  I bet you can't wait to ride it this weekend.  
>> Have fun.
>>
>> Philip, I saw your twine wrap and was very intrigued.  I've ridden only 3 
>> bikes in 30 years and never used a chainstay protector.  Who knew?  This is 
>> something I never thought about but now I am. 
>> Kate-Trenton, NJ
>> my mermaid is currently in the build line-up at Riv...parts have been 
>> selectedwent with chaco and long stem 
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:58:03 PM UTC-4 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I think our builds are very similar.  I did see your wrap and twine and 
>>> it is very nicely done--adds a lot of character.Right now, I have a 
>>> clear protector on my chain stay, but I do like the wrap.  Silver I think 
>>> would be nice.  I already own the twine and I think I have silver tape and 
>>> did that on a prior bike.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 10:46:13 PM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I see you did go for the 1x - nice choice & a classy build all around. 
 Make sure they do a wrap & twine on the chain stay.

 On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:35:11 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> Roberta, I am SO excited for you. Analog does the most beautiful work, 
> don’t they? They never turn out a bad build. Beautiful, special details 
> that the owner will recognize and treasure. I love your classy Peacock 
> Platy. 
>
> This will be your first bike built from frame up, right? I can hardly 
> wait for you to go to Analog this weekend and send me the pics. Roberta 
> and 
> I have Marco Polo, a video messaging app so we can get all our words out 
> without having to type them. I’m expecting her to send me hours of 
> footage 
> this weekend, lol!
>
> It’s great to see these Platys get built and will be even more 
> endearing watching you all put your miles on them and telling of your 
> travails. Like Pam Murray!
>
> Leah
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 26, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sneak Peak from Analog.  I don't have the bike yet.  
>
> The saddle is a B68 that I will be covering with a black saddle 
> cover.  Once I realized it was to be Mermaid GREEN and not Mermaid BLUE 
> (with my original Peacock theme), I told Candice "just surprise me."  She 
> "gets" me. 
>
> Understated and elegant.  Colors: Mermaid green, black, silver and 
> white--neutrals used as color, and I love it!  Most of the parts have two 
> colors in them--white/black for the grips, silver/black for the fenders, 
> rack, and front chain ring/trouser guard combo Handlebar is Billie.  
> Rainbow spoke nipple arrangement (zoom in on front rim).  
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 9:23:00 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> - Platyphernalia -
>>
>> Someone at RBW right now: 
>>
>> "Do we sell platypus pins? 
>> SOMEBODY ORDER PLATYPUS PINS!" 
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:18:52 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Platyphernalia.
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 5:51 PM, Jason Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oooh I love that pin. The world of platypii paraphernalia is one I 
>>> wasn't previously aware of, but clearly thriving. 
>>>
>>> And sure, it might be a coincidence. But all I know is I've been 
>>> acutely aware the Billie has been in stock for a few weeks now and had 
>>> been 
>>> idly considering whether I should jump on the opportunity to buy it, 
>>> when 
>>> you got one and seemingly moments later it was out of stock.  Maybe 
>>> there 
>>> was only two or three left at that time!  Maybe it's Leah-hype! 
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 5:20 PM Leah Peterson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You guys are funny. It’s probably a coincidence. 

 But it is fun to discuss Things I’m Loving Right Now, and right 
 now…it’s PlatyPins! Best showcased on bike bags. #RivSisters, be 
 checking 
 your mailboxes this week!

>>> 

>>>

 Sent from my iPad

 On May 24, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 - Leah promoted the Billie bars and they sold out fast after that, 
 now with a backlog of

[RBW] Re: Just because you want to share pics from your ride

[Philip Barrett]

Sorry I missed you guys, looks like you had fun.

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 4:14:39 AM UTC+1 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> From today's ride with a couple of other Riv owners / friends.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
> [image: Image] 
>
>
> [image: Image] 
>
> Two Homer's and a Sam.
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[RBW] Re: Large Platypus Test Ride - Southern California

[Philip Barrett]

Gushing recommendation here. Not sure you'd find one used as most people 
completed their builds less than 2 months ago & I've heard no regrets, in 
fact nothing but love.
On Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 7:49:47 AM UTC+1 sfjen...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> I'm interested in ordering a Platypus on a future build (or buying used) 
> but would love to find one to test ride more local to me.  I'm in San 
> Diego.  Anyone willing or with ideas?
>
> Or just gushing recommendations?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
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Re: [RBW] Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

[Philip Barrett]

I typically find that the critics are the same people who eat out 3 times a 
week & a buy a new car every 2 years. $,3500? You know, same as you lost in 
depreciation when you drove off the dealer lot last week!

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 5:16:25 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I'd likely shrug my shoulders and smile.
>
> I put myself in the "other" shoes, so to speak. From that position, fully 
> aware of the comedic situation I apparently now find myself playing 
> "both".I "return" to where I never left. 
>
> So where's the offense, the call for justice, equality and such ?
>
> Nowhere.
>
> Now what ? 
>
> I shrug my shoulders and laugh, smile . 
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 1:22:41 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> If I have to explain you better be married to me. Otherwise we're not 
>> discussing the price of my bicycle. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> I like the line I heard from my friends who built and rode motorcycles:
>>>
>>> "If I have to explain, you'd never understand."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2021, at 8:12 PM, Kushan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Wife and recently marked the 10th anniversary and decided to get each 
>>> other nice presents. She is getting me an Appaloosa built and I got her 
>>> something she really wanted in the jewelry department (of 20-30% higher 
>>> value than the bike). 
>>>
>>> We are both financially responsible people, don't live lavishly, and can 
>>> afford both items. However, the reactions of the friends and family who 
>>> hear about our gifts and their values have been somewhat puzzling for me. 
>>> While no one has given a second thought to the price of the jewelry, the 
>>> reactions on the bike have almost universally been that of astonishment. 
>>> And these are from people who know me well, know I enjoy cycling, and that 
>>> I only have one bike right now which I am planning to sell when the new one 
>>> arrives.
>>>
>>> So that got me thinking, I can't be the only one who has experienced 
>>> this. What are some other similar stories? More importantly, what do you 
>>> say to a well-meaning loved one when they ask things like "$3500 for a 
>>> bike?" and "but isn't your current bike orange too?"
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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

[Philip Barrett]

Wondered who would catch that! Toni Elias' 2016 Championship Superbike, not 
exactly road legal there er...officer.

Or "Jewelry by Yoshimura?"

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:30:18 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> At first I was like "cool race bike replica" then I realized..that's a 
> race bike! 
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 12:55:08 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Since my wife just bought this as a retirement gift for herself she's 
>> starting to resent the assumption that desirable ICE vehicles are purely a 
>> male domain!
>>
>> [image: Yoshimura Suzuki GSX-R1000 Toni Elias - (39).jpg]
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>>
>>> True, true, and I am able to afford my bicycle now, although I will 
>>> leave you to guess whether any existential crisis was involved with my 
>>> purchase :).
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 12:13 PM Matthew Williams <
>>> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 As someone elsewhere suggested,

 "Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a 
 midlife crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when 
 they were twenty."



 On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

 Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can 
 buy 10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, so 
 I don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" 
 bike, 
 but it is used and has big contributions to my health and well being.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

[Philip Barrett]

There's no integrated stand (Grant would have a field day with this) so 
this is used to support the bike sans rider. But your idea is actually 
pretty brilliant, except for the carbon monoxide part I guess?

On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 3:41:07 PM UTC-5 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> Do they have zwift fake indoor "riding" for motorcycles too? or is that 
> trainer looking apparatus just for moving it around?
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:30 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> At first I was like "cool race bike replica" then I realized..that's a 
>> race bike! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 12:55:08 PM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Since my wife just bought this as a retirement gift for herself she's 
>>> starting to resent the assumption that desirable ICE vehicles are purely a 
>>> male domain!
>>>
>>> [image: Yoshimura Suzuki GSX-R1000 Toni Elias - (39).jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 28, 2021 at 2:34:08 PM UTC-5 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 True, true, and I am able to afford my bicycle now, although I will 
 leave you to guess whether any existential crisis was involved with my 
 purchase :).

 Toshi


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 matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As someone elsewhere suggested,
>
> "Maybe forty-year-old men driving sports cars aren't going through a 
> midlife crisis. Instead, they can finally afford the car they wanted when 
> they were twenty."
>
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
> Most people understand the concept of a "mid-life crisis car".  I can 
> buy 10 bikes for the price of the "crisis" car, which I will never buy, 
> so 
> I don't feel too bad.  Yes, it is non-essential to buy such a "fancy" 
> bike, 
> but it is used and has big contributions to my health and well being.
>
> Toshi
>
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[RBW] Re: Comebacks for when people think your bikes cost too much

[Philip Barrett]

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021 at 7:30:09 PM UTC-5 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:

> "Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy a bike and that's pretty 
> close." - Mike M
>
> I'm going to use this line!
>

I've got another one for you from the fuddled mind of mine;

*If you strive to be happy you will never be content.*
*If you strive to be content you will always be happy*

 

>
>
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[RBW] Re: [pictures] Just built up my orange Susie

[Philip Barrett]

Nice!

On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 11:24:52 AM UTC-7 Paul Choi wrote:

> Wow! Thanks for sharing :)
>
> On Friday, July 9, 2021 at 7:27:07 AM UTC-7 Paul Y wrote:
>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/DcjxXsDwnkaHNxty8
>>
>> I ordered her on the pre-order before COVID days. She only got built up a 
>> few days ago.
>> What a grand bike! And huge. 
>> I'll wait a few more days and ride some proper trail to post a ride 
>> report, but I'm loving the ride so far.
>>
>> A very please Paul
>>
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[RBW] Fun (?) Thought Exercise

[Philip Barrett]

Say you were going to ride the TransAmerica Trails (Astoria, OR to 
Yorktown, PA - 4,200 miles) with a lightweight bikepacking set up (not a 
traditional touring multiple pannier system) which Rivendell would you 
chose? Seems like there are a few interesting options.

I have some ideas but thought it might be an interesting Sunday musing for 
those of us trapped indoors by heat & humidity.

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[RBW] Re: Fun (?) Thought Exercise

[Philip Barrett]

It's pavement all the way. Unless I got the wrong map?

On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 3:49:53 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Without knowing much about the trail, I would have thought it was too 
> rough/rugged for the Rambouillet?!  Impressive, if it is indeed as much 
> off-pavement as I thought it is! 
>
> For current models, I think I'd go with a Joe Appaloosa, with 2.1-2.2" 
> semi-slick XC type tires and a Choco bar on a long stem.
>
> But my Bombadil would be perfect for the job too with the same type of 
> setup. 
>
> On Monday, 19 July 2021 at 08:34:16 UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> Did it from Yorktown, VA west (although the Western Flyer leg, Pueblo, CO 
>> to SFCA) with this : 
>> [image: 5343AAB1-D6F6-4092-917F-BED40A858176.jpeg]
>> My Rambouillet for the Trans-Am. 
>>
>> Yet to install my three water bottle cages and mudflap. Clip on lights 
>> are in the bag, would soon be installed to make room. Got an odometer from 
>> my Lexington, KY friend who joined us the day we rode into Berea, KY and 
>> enjoyed dinner at the Boone Tavern. Shell pants flip flops and a blazer! 
>>  You said light? I longflapped my Nelson Longflap often. This picture is 
>> somewhere between 5-7pm the night before heading to Yorktown. It arrived 
>> from Rivendell at 4 pm. 
>>
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 12:41:29 PM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Say you were going to ride the TransAmerica Trails (Astoria, OR to 
>>> Yorktown, PA - 4,200 miles) with a lightweight bikepacking set up (not a 
>>> traditional touring multiple pannier system) which Rivendell would you 
>>> chose? Seems like there are a few interesting options.
>>>
>>> I have some ideas but thought it might be an interesting Sunday musing 
>>> for those of us trapped indoors by heat & humidity.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Cheapo Brake Levers That Work Great

[Philip Barrett]

I just realized that the stop-gap levers I spent all of $12 on while 
waiting for "real" levers to come off backorder are still on the Platypus. 
I hadn't bothered ordering replacements because they work so well I'd 
forgotten about them!

In silver or black;

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B083D9BSRZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[image: 61LTp+aCbuL._AC_SL1200_.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Cheapo Brake Levers That Work Great

[Philip Barrett]

As you say, I have these running V-brakes & I'm not sure how they would 
work as a short pull. I actually replaced some short pull levers that I 
liked the look of (Tektro FL750) & was sure I could make work with some 
fiddling. Which I couldn't!

On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 4:33:30 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> The Shimano brake levers for my 8 speed Shimano IGHs also incorporate the 
> two position cable pulls. The left is just a brake lever, the right 
> incorporates the IGH shifter and quadrant. Got them from Peter White.
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 5:18:34 PM UTC-4 dougP wrote:
>
>> Philip:
>>
>> If they work so well that you'd forgotten about them, call it success.  
>>
>> Tektro makes a lever with a clever piece where you hook up the cable.  It 
>> allows 2 locations.  The long pull works with V-brakes & the short pull 
>> with others.  During my bout of brake-itis, I learned that the pivot to 
>> cable stop dimensions are about 1" for short pull & 1-1/4" for long pull. 
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Friday, July 23, 2021 at 10:57:06 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I just realized that the stop-gap levers I spent all of $12 on while 
>>> waiting for "real" levers to come off backorder are still on the Platypus. 
>>> I hadn't bothered ordering replacements because they work so well I'd 
>>> forgotten about them!
>>>
>>> In silver or black;
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B083D9BSRZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>>>
>>> [image: 61LTp+aCbuL._AC_SL1200_.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Share More Riv Riding Pics

[Philip Barrett]

I was out & about yesterday evening myself, not telling you anything you 
don't already know here...it was hot! It was close to 2 hours for me & 
maybe not the smartest decision.

Not Riv so making a separate thread.

On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 9:45:05 AM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> I'm such a big fan of taking pics on my rides.
>
> It's fun to see others pics from their rides as well.
>
> This list does some of that but it would be great to see even more.
>
> From yesterday's ride after mounting new 
> 700x43 Gravel King SS tires on my orange Sam.
>
> Only did 8 miles but tires felt outstanding. 
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
> [image: Image] 
>
> [image: Image] 
>
> [image: Image] 
>
> [image: Image] 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Bring Out The Brompton!

[Philip Barrett]

That is one sexy looking set up.



On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 9:08:18 AM UTC-5 domjona...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sorry, couldn’t resist adding a few pics of mine Brommy. I mainly use the 
> Riv, but the Brompton makes a great bike to take on trips by train etc!
>
> Very fun little bike to own! 
>
> [image: FF682C91-CCA0-4381-8AFD-1903D4959787.jpeg][image: 
> 4F63F7EA-7D1B-49BE-B8F7-0F14B1C25FD7.jpeg][image: 
> 23C30129-95E6-4330-8275-8C8B75E622FE.jpeg]
>
> [image: FA89C8FF-F0FD-4FF2-B858-B8398F7CE7C7.jpeg]
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 1:04:44 AM UTC+9 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Brits among us will recognize the play on words!
>>
>> I've had my eye out for a Brompton for a while now. I could throw all the 
>> practical reasons around, like a bike I could travel with for extended work 
>> trips but in all honesty, they're just so darn cool & cute. One popped up 
>> on FB Marketplace this week & I managed to negotiate a very good deal. It's 
>> been used but has all the signs of decent maintenance and aside from a good 
>> clean up, some adjustments & a slight straightening of the bars was ready 
>> to ride.
>>
>> I put about 50 miles on it these past 2 days & just like a Riv, it's a 
>> bike that puts a smile on your face! 3 speeds is a little limiting but 
>> those tiny wheels come off the line in quick order & it's just darn fun to 
>> ride. I've never seen another in Dallas but coincidently I passed one 
>> yesterday at the White Rock spillway, he was as surprised as I was!
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210731_234509711.jpg][image: 
>> PXL_20210731_234429964.jpg][image: 
>> PXL_20210731_234445647.jpg][image: PXL_20210801_004854721.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Bring Out The Brompton!

[Philip Barrett]

Rick: which basket is that? Aliexpress & typing "brompton + titanium" 
certainly brings up some lovely items too.

I'm thinking of doing a strip down to raw metal & lacquer over the winter 
as I love that look.

On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 7:01:20 PM UTC-5 Rick Thompson wrote:

> Yes, but Bromptons are for shopping!
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50409330646/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50597181768/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Gibson wrote:
>
>> Look at used cameras from KEH Camera. Any price point you want. Costco 
>> used to sell Nikon D3500 kits with two lenses, but I don't see it online 
>> right now, so check what KEH has. Canon EOS at any price or resolution you 
>> want to pay for. Some instructors will demand a certain number of pixels, 
>> but any Nikon or Canon dslr will be serviceable to begin with , and KEH 
>> checks them out, warrants them, and will buy them back. Also, can rent 
>> fancy stuff at Lensrentals.com
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 4:23 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> .
>>>
>>> Oh, speaking of expenses: daughter needs a DSLR (digital SLR) minimally 
>>> good enough for "art projects," which means relatively hi res photos and 
>>> manual adjustment of shutter speed, aperture, and lighting (did I get those 
>>> right?). Someone said Costco has good deals. Suggestions? Not asking for 
>>> donations, just advice. Thanks. Patrick "camera imbecile" Moore
>>>
>>
>> Nikon D 3500 kit is 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bring Out The Brompton!

[Philip Barrett]

I got loose at Aliexpress today & ordered a titanium seatpost (600mm) since 
the one I have is pretty gouged in places. That & the little phone holder 
that mounts on the stem bolt.

My lack of self control will probably have me returning for the titanium 
rear rack too!

On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 7:54:36 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric, the sage green Brompton in the picture I included in my earlier post 
> above is equipped with the telescoping seat post.  My PBH is 96cm.  Both 
> bikes have the 'H" style handlebar.
>
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 4:56:19 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a picture/experience of a Brompton set up for a taller 
>> (~6’3”) rider? Asking for a friend. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Ash,
>>>
>>> A Bosco can be done if you can make the reach and folded math work. 
>>>
>>> The clamp is 25.4 and the mast folds down so the reach-back juts away 
>>> from the bike. You'd have a bigger folded footprint but still crazy compact 
>>> relative to storing or transporting a full-size bike. 
>>>
>>> The ETT is about 60cm with no stem reach. You'd have the reach to the 
>>> flat part of the bar in the same range as stock Brom bars but the rest is 
>>> coming WAY back. You'll never sit up any straighter on a bicycle than 
>>> holding the ends of a Bosco on a Brompton! 😁
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 3:45:43 PM UTC-7 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>>
 Nice to see all those cute pictures!

 Wondering if the Bosco bar would work for a Brompton.  

 Brompton is in my N+1 list, but Bosco is a must.
 On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 11:28:15 UTC-7 Rick Thompson wrote:

> That is a Wald 582 folding metal basket, with a Trigo adapter plate 
> modified to fit it to the carrier block. It is not light, but nothing on 
> mine is...
>
> Mine came as the "raw lacquer", but from the factory it is really a 
> paint color and not just raw metal with lacquer over. I am using metal 
> bluing with varnish over as touch up, that is close to the color.
>
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 6:38:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Rick: which basket is that? Aliexpress & typing "brompton + titanium" 
>> certainly brings up some lovely items too.
>>
>> I'm thinking of doing a strip down to raw metal & lacquer over the 
>> winter as I love that look.
>>
>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 7:01:20 PM UTC-5 Rick Thompson wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, but Bromptons are for shopping!
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50409330646/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50597181768/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Gibson wrote:
>>>
 Look at used cameras from KEH Camera. Any price point you want. 
 Costco used to sell Nikon D3500 kits with two lenses, but I don't see 
 it 
 online right now, so check what KEH has. Canon EOS at any price or 
 resolution you want to pay for. Some instructors will demand a certain 
 number of pixels, but any Nikon or Canon dslr will be serviceable to 
 begin 
 with , and KEH checks them out, warrants them, and will buy them back. 
 Also, can rent fancy stuff at Lensrentals.com


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 wrote:

> .
>
> Oh, speaking of expenses: daughter needs a DSLR (digital SLR) 
> minimally good enough for "art projects," which means relatively hi 
> res 
> photos and manual adjustment of shutter speed, aperture, and lighting 
> (did 
> I get those right?). Someone said Costco has good deals. Suggestions? 
> Not 
> asking for donations, just advice. Thanks. Patrick "camera imbecile" 
> Moore
>

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Re: [RBW] Bring Out The Brompton!

[Philip Barrett]

Any recommendations for a cheap carry bag capable of surviving a domestic 
airline?

On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 6:13:41 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:

> Dominic,
>
> Hahaha. These are a high ticket item. 
>
> Is your personal bike? Is the clearance any different than with the 
> Brompton plastic ones? 
>
> Jason
>
> On Aug 4, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Dominic Ryan  wrote:
>
> 
>
> For those of you that like to waste money on Brompton parts, I recommend 
> some Honjo fenders!
>
>  
>
> On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 23:01 Minh,  wrote:
>
>> great thread and welcome to the club jason.  mine is similiar to yours 
>> when i got it.  be prepared for the tinker bug!  i turned my fender model 
>> into a rack one with a rack and new fender.   it makes push cart mode much 
>> more stable.  
>> i also added a dyno front wheel and light.  
>>
>> they are useful in a way that is very different from a full size bike.  
>> though riding here in nyc can be a bit hectic with them!
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 8:22:39 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I picked up the Grateful Red rear LED USB light, it comes with a couple 
>>> of mounting options, one of which is literally an exact fit for the 
>>> Brompton rear reflector bracket!
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20210804_121832278.jpg]
>>> [image: PXL_20210804_121843239.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 7:12:10 AM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Eric, 

 Here's my Brompton in it's natural element -  multi-modal transport.   
 I'm 6'7" tall and ride 65-68 cm road bikes, and the Brompton with the 
 telescoping seat post and the H bars works well for me. 

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 

 On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 6:56:19 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> Anyone have a picture/experience of a Brompton set up for a taller 
> (~6’3”) rider? Asking for a friend. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Ash,
>>
>> A Bosco can be done if you can make the reach and folded math work. 
>>
>> The clamp is 25.4 and the mast folds down so the reach-back juts away 
>> from the bike. You'd have a bigger folded footprint but still crazy 
>> compact 
>> relative to storing or transporting a full-size bike. 
>>
>> The ETT is about 60cm with no stem reach. You'd have the reach to the 
>> flat part of the bar in the same range as stock Brom bars but the rest 
>> is 
>> coming WAY back. You'll never sit up any straighter on a bicycle than 
>> holding the ends of a Bosco on a Brompton! 😁
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 3:45:43 PM UTC-7 Ashwath Akirekadu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice to see all those cute pictures!
>>>
>>> Wondering if the Bosco bar would work for a Brompton.  
>>>
>>> Brompton is in my N+1 list, but Bosco is a must.
>>> On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 11:28:15 UTC-7 Rick Thompson wrote:
>>>
 That is a Wald 582 folding metal basket, with a Trigo adapter plate 
 modified to fit it to the carrier block. It is not light, but nothing 
 on 
 mine is...

 Mine came as the "raw lacquer", but from the factory it is really a 
 paint color and not just raw metal with lacquer over. I am using metal 
 bluing with varnish over as touch up, that is close to the color.

 On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 6:38:33 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Rick: which basket is that? Aliexpress & typing "brompton + 
> titanium" certainly brings up some lovely items too.
>
> I'm thinking of doing a strip down to raw metal & lacquer over the 
> winter as I love that look.
>
> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 7:01:20 PM UTC-5 Rick Thompson wrote:
>
>> Yes, but Bromptons are for shopping!
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50409330646/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ricks_boats/50597181768/in/album-72157715050533447/lightbox/
>>
>> On Monday, August 2, 2021 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Gibson wrote:
>>
>>> Look at used cameras from KEH Camera. Any price point you want. 
>>> Costco used to sell Nikon D3500 kits with two lenses, but I don't 
>>> see it 
>>> online right now, so check what KEH has. Canon EOS at any price or 
>>> resolution you want to pay for. Some instructors will demand a 
>>> certain 
>>> number of pixels, but any Nikon or Canon dslr will be serviceable 
>>> to begin 
>>> with , and KEH checks them out, warrants them, and will buy them 
>>> back. 
>>> Also, can rent fancy stuff at Lensrentals.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 4:23 PM Patrick Moore  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 .

 O

Re: [RBW] Bring Out The Brompton!

[Philip Barrett]

Continental makes their Contact in a 16" 
- 
https://www.freedomfoldingbikes.com/continental-contact-urban-tire-for-brompton-16x135.html

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 7:45:22 AM UTC-5 domjona...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Jason! 
>
> I did look into those before, but the reviews didn't seem to be too great. 
> I'll take look at the ones you recommend! Thank you so much!
>
> On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 11:30 J L,  wrote:
>
>> Dom,
>>
>> Wider tire?  Give me a month for a ride report :) 
>>
>> The largest tire made for 349 rims is the 349X1 1/2. They work out to be 
>> about 38-40mm in practice. That fits the fork on all models and the rear 
>> frame on many, but not all. Ti models are a little tighter. The real pinch 
>> point is the rear brake caliper.
>>
>> Greenspeed in AUS used to make a model called Scorcher. A little internet 
>> searching  will direct you to these tires used on Bromptons, including a 
>> blog from a store in Japan from a few years back. 
>>
>> Greenspeed is no longer, but you can still get 60tpi or 120tpi scorchers 
>> from a recumbent shop in Australia. They also have their own house brand in 
>> the same size called TRUBLU.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 6:59 PM, Dominic Ryan  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> It is indeed (although I live in Japan so Honjo products are much cheaper 
>> here).
>>
>> There is a tiny amount more clearance, however it seems there is no way 
>> to get a wider tire on the Brompton due to the frame shape (unless anyone 
>> here knows otherwise?) 
>>
>> I'd love to see some wider and more interesting tire options for Brompton!
>>
>> Dom
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Aug 2021, 08:13 J L,  wrote:
>>
>>> Dominic,
>>>
>>> Hahaha. These are a high ticket item. 
>>>
>>> Is your personal bike? Is the clearance any different than with the 
>>> Brompton plastic ones? 
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Dominic Ryan  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> For those of you that like to waste money on Brompton parts, I recommend 
>>> some Honjo fenders!
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 23:01 Minh,  wrote:
>>>
 great thread and welcome to the club jason.  mine is similiar to yours 
 when i got it.  be prepared for the tinker bug!  i turned my fender model 
 into a rack one with a rack and new fender.   it makes push cart mode much 
 more stable.  
 i also added a dyno front wheel and light.  

 they are useful in a way that is very different from a full size bike.  
 though riding here in nyc can be a bit hectic with them!

 On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 8:22:39 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I picked up the Grateful Red rear LED USB light, it comes with a 
> couple of mounting options, one of which is literally an exact fit for 
> the 
> Brompton rear reflector bracket!
>
> [image: PXL_20210804_121832278.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20210804_121843239.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 7:12:10 AM UTC-5 weste...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric, 
>>
>> Here's my Brompton in it's natural element -  multi-modal transport. 
>>   I'm 6'7" tall and ride 65-68 cm road bikes, and the Brompton with the 
>> telescoping seat post and the H bars works well for me. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 6:56:19 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have a picture/experience of a Brompton set up for a taller 
>>> (~6’3”) rider? Asking for a friend. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 3, 2021, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Ash,

 A Bosco can be done if you can make the reach and folded math work. 

 The clamp is 25.4 and the mast folds down so the reach-back juts 
 away from the bike. You'd have a bigger folded footprint but still 
 crazy 
 compact relative to storing or transporting a full-size bike. 

 The ETT is about 60cm with no stem reach. You'd have the reach to 
 the flat part of the bar in the same range as stock Brom bars but the 
 rest 
 is coming WAY back. You'll never sit up any straighter on a bicycle 
 than 
 holding the ends of a Bosco on a Brompton! 😁

 On Tuesday, August 3, 2021 at 3:45:43 PM UTC-7 Ashwath Akirekadu 
 wrote:

> Nice to see all those cute pictures!
>
> Wondering if the Bosco bar would work for a Brompton.  
>
> Brompton is in my N+1 list, but Bosco is a must.
> On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 at 11:28:15 UTC-7 Rick Thompson wrote:
>
>> That is a Wald 582 folding metal basket, with a Trigo adapter 
>> plate modified to fit it to the carrier block. It is not light, but 
>> nothing 
>> on mine is...
>>
>> Mine came as the "raw lacquer", but from the factory it is really 
>> a paint color and not just raw metal with lacq

Re: [RBW] Looking for a Part!

[Philip Barrett]

The one in the picture appears to clamp to the seat post though?



On Sunday, August 15, 2021 at 6:04:35 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:

> If it’s the one I’m thinking of they just used a wood dowel attached to 
> the Brooks bag loops using toe straps. Low tech but supposed to be 
> functional.
>
> https://www.pathlesspedaled.com/2011/07/21/video-backpacks-on-bromptons/
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 15, 2021, at 3:45 PM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
>
> I know this picture is a Brompton but it shows the part I'm looking for & 
> can't seem to find and don't even know what it's called. Maybe some 
> crowdsourcing can help me?
>
>
> I'm looking for the seatpost mounted (or seat mounted) bar or strut that 
> would allow to attach a backpack as shown. The Nitto R50 really wouldn't 
> work for this.
>
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Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Philip Barrett]

For various reasons, Facebook is not an option for some of us!

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 10:14:38 AM UTC-6 rickur...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don’t know why I didn’t think of FB! Thanks!
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
>
> There is a FB group here - 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/rbwownersbunch
>
> No buy/sell/trade. Emphasis on photos. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-8 rickur...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I am able to understand and use the group as designed, thanks all.
>> My gripe is with the sheer awkwardness and HORRIBLE interface of google 
>> groups. If you’ve ever used Discord or Facebook groups you’ll know what I’m 
>> talking about. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 4:24:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> On Android: I look at the mobile website, then when I want to post I 
>>> click the 3 dots top right and go to Desktop Site. This brings up the reply 
>>> function. Not awesome but workable. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 5:57:42 AM UTC-8 rickur...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love my Rivendell, and I love Rivendell owners! 
 But, I despise this Google group format! 
 I wish there was another way. I'm sure there is, I just don't know what 
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Re: [RBW] Interesting front (or rear) rack from Tumbleweed Bikes

[Philip Barrett]

+1 on the T-Rack on my Kona ULTD bikepacking rig. Very nice piece of kit.

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 7:55:38 AM UTC-6 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got a T Rack on my bike packing bike for a anything Cage and Ortlieb 
> fork pack. Also strap a dry bag to the top. Can't believe there are not 
> more racks with 3 packs on them available in the market. 
>
> Pat DC
>
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 7:33:02 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Very interesting that Riv connection. I was very tempted to get the Mini 
>> Pannier also but had a store credit with Riv so ordered the Shiny rear. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 1:26 AM, rlti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I run their T-Rack on the front and Mini Pannier Rack on the rear of my 
>> bikepacking bike. Very functional racks since they have the anything cage 
>> mounts as well as braze-on’s for mounting lights.
>>
>>
>> Daniel from Tumbleweed worked for Riv at one time and that had some 
>> influence on the bikes he offers now.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 3:33 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> This one is not a svelte Nitto or other shiny rack. But it is a bit 
>> unique in that the vertical legs have the three threaded boss mounts to 
>> accept anything / manything cages or these OvejaNegra Bootlegger direct 
>> mount bags. It can also take some mini panniers. It is very easy to mount 
>> and is very well made. I plan to mount a Wald 137 basket and utilize a 
>> Tanglefoot Cycles Fifth Season Squall basket bag. Pics to follow... 
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Re: [RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[Philip Barrett]

My "bicycle zen" is an incredibly important part of controlling stress 
around what can be a very demanding job. Sometimes it can take quite some 
time to get to the zen point but it does happen eventually, always.

I'm also a testament to the fact that you don't always need a calm external 
environment either. My typical route includes gritty industrial streets, 
huge pot holes, commercial trucks and a couple of homeless encampments (we 
wave at each other) yet the zen can still be gotten even here.

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 7:00:52 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nice!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 12, 2022, at 3:06 AM, brendonoid  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Riding a bicycle on my own in a forest and the quiet that isn't quiet at 
> all, but the constant birdsong, rustling of leaves and crunching of gravel 
> beneath tyre.
> About two hours in when my body has relaxed into the effort of it and the 
> rhythm of the pedaling has replaced the burbling inner monologue that fills 
> most of my waking hours.
> When the crunching and the pedaling and the euphoria of no thoughts at all 
> and this is why I ride a bicycle.
>
> Brendon M.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[Philip Barrett]

This is a great conversation and reminds me of a maxim in my industry; 
"some people buy equipment so they can make music, others make music so 
they can buy equipment." Neither are wrong, both achieve satisfaction from 
their chosen path but the approaches are polar opposites.

What does worry me is that bicycling is going the way of the HiFi industry 
where "anoraks" who insist that you can't have good sound without $500 
cables have destroyed the middle ground for equipment and denied many the 
experience of quality home listening. You now have the high-end, high-$$ 
market & box systems from Costco with almost nothing between them.

If the bicycle industry continues to "innovate" to the point where the 
technology and price point drives away the more casual rider they will find 
themselves in the same position; selling expensive bikes to a stagnant 
market with the rest of the riding population buying from the big box 
stores.

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:47:53 AM UTC-6 divis...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> More specifically, "bloody bike anorak"; BBA for short.
>
> Peter "the backdoor invasion of CR nomenclature" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Friday, February 11, 2022 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The technical term is "anorak."
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who gets a kick out of old fashioned Brit slang.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:12 AM Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>
>>> ... nerds ...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Heterodoxy — reconciling RBW with the mainstream

[Philip Barrett]

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 12:12:40 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> It is; it's the British term for a windbreaker, especially the old 
> fashioned type with only a half-zipper. The name is borrowed from that of 
> an Inuit garment of similar design, I believe.
>
> I think the extension of the meaning came about because fanatical steam 
> train or steam waggon viewers (steam trucks were used in Britain until the 
> 1960s or even 1970s and there are entertaining Youtube videos of steam 
> waggon fairs and steam traction engines and lorries holding up traffic on 
> narrow English roads) often wore these anoraks in England's wet, cold 
> climate. 
>
>
Partially correct, it's from the groups of men (trainspotters) who would 
collect locomotive numbers and stand clustered at the ends of station 
platforms in the wind & rain.  The anorak is also referred to as a kagoule.

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[RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[Philip Barrett]

I'm learning so much here - is there an equivalent of Grant's "Just Ride" 
for Zen?

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 2:08:51 AM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:

> What a pleasure it was to read of your experience, Erik! Much of what you 
> wrote resonates deeply with me. Perhaps this is because we share something 
> of a history with San Francisco Zen Center and a particular approach to 
> both Zen and riding a bike. 
>
> My formative experiences with Zen occurred when I lived in the City in the 
> late 80s/early 90s and sat at the Zen center regularly during this time. 
> This and S.Suzuki's 'beginner's mind' approach to Zen flavored my view of 
> the practice as a way to "engage with every activity with the same energy 
> as you do your sitting". I was a runner at the time, and my early morning 
> runs to the Zen center from my 16th/Guerrero place and home again were a 
> way to extend the practice beyond the zendo.
>
> Your description of your ride today puts into words so clearly my own 
> experiences on rides that challenge me, and how I return to my breathing as 
> a method of focusing on the ways in which my body reacts to a tough hill, 
> frozen hands, thirst, or fatigue. There always seems to be another pedal 
> stroke at the bottom of that gaze. And, when the riding is easy, as I 
> mentioned above, breathing is a wonderful way to bring my attention to the 
> moment where brendanoid's 'constant birdsong' echos across Phillip's 
> 'gritty industrial streets' as my wheels spin effortlessly. 
>
> Cheers,
> John
> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 4:07:55 PM UTC+9 Erik wrote:
>
>> An interesting thread.  I've been involved with Zen practice for a long 
>> time.  I'm fortunate to live the greater Bay Area, one of the places where 
>> Soto Zen first took root in America back in the 1950s and 60s as the Beat 
>> generation started attending services at local Japanese temples in pursuit 
>> of new experiences.  Between San Francisco Zen Center and all of the other 
>> temples and practices centers that branched off over the years around here, 
>> we have a lot of teachers and places to practice.  I've been a student at 
>> Sonoma Mountain Zen Center for many years now and have spent a lot of time 
>> sitting on a cushion and staring at the wall inside the zendo.
>>
>> A fundamental concept in Zen practice is that there is no distinction 
>> between sitting (zazen) and other activities. Zazen is just one way to 
>> bring your attention to the present moment.  A big part of the practice is 
>> that you approach and engage with every activity with the same energy as 
>> you do your sitting practice and that whatever you are doing should be done 
>> fully and completely.  When you sit, you sit.  When you walk, you walk. 
>>  When you rake, you rake, When you ride a bike, you ride a bike.   Even 
>> during intensive training periods, we intersperse zazen with walking 
>> meditation, work practice, cooking, cleaning, meals, and other tasks. 
>>  Sitting practice is only one part of a larger whole and the constant is 
>> the act of paying attention to whatever is in front of you at that moment. 
>>
>>
>> But without going down a practice discussion rabbit hole, I would say 
>> that riding a bike--particularly when I'm alone--requires attention that is 
>> akin to zazen.  It's one of the things that I have always loved about 
>> riding.  Zazen can be brutal.  It's just you and the cushion and the wall 
>> and your attention.  Nothing to distract you, even though your brain 
>> desperately wants something to feed it.  And so the focus on breathing, 
>> dropping thoughts, posture.  The need for this sort of focus comes up a lot 
>> when I'm riding.  
>>
>> Just today I was out riding and was climbing up a decent grade near my 
>> house and had to keep reminding myself that the only thing I need to focus 
>> on is the motion of my body and bike in each moment, THAT pedal stroke, 
>> THAT revolution of the wheels, etc.  My lungs were straining and I wanted 
>> to stop, but once I got into the rhythm of just paying attention to one 
>> moment at a time, my body settled down and I was able to keep climbing one 
>> pedal stroke at a time.  It's not much different from the experience of 
>> sitting through what feels like the 100th hour of zazen on a hot afternoon 
>> when your legs and back are aching, your arms feel like they are going to 
>> drop off, your thoughts are popping off and you are convinced that the 
>> timekeeper died or forgot to ring the bell...just returning your focus to 
>> the present breath, over and over again and all of the discomfort, anxiety 
>> and thinking will eventually go quiet and you can settle down into 
>> something deeper. Nothing lasts, everything changes.  It's a lot like 
>> riding in that way.  
>>
>> I'll end my long response now, but thanks for the opportunity to consider 
>> the connection between practice and biking again.   
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: "Riding-a-bicycle Zen"

[Philip Barrett]

Before you ride off to the unexpected, I ordered Fischer's book on the most 
un-Zen like Amazon as my local library apparently don't have this title. 
Thanks for the recommendations.

On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 4:23:52 PM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:

> "And now that I'm completely off the topic of bikes, I'll stop before my 
> posts get pulled!"
>
> Often the most enjoyable rides are the ones that take us to unexpected 
> places. 
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 2:35:49 AM UTC+9 Erik wrote:
>
>> The best equivalent to that would be the book that introduced a lot of 
>> people to Soto Zen, "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind" a collection of talks by 
>> Shunryu Suzuki-roshi, the founder of the San Francisco Zen Center.  The 
>> book is a transcription of lectures and talks he gave at the Zen Center 
>> over the years and starts with the line, "In the beginner's mind there are 
>> many possibilities, but in the expert's mind there are few."  
>>
>> A few others I would recommend for their direct style and plain talk:
>> - "What is Zen" by Norman Fischer and Susan Moon. Just published a few 
>> years ago, but a great introduction.  And Norman Fischer is a fantastic 
>> writer and teacher.  
>> -"No Beginning, No End" by my teacher, Kwong-roshi.  He was part of the 
>> original group of students at SF Zen Center. The book is a great reflection 
>> of his personality.  I can see him rolling his eyes at me for writing these 
>> lengthy responses about Zen.  He frequently chides me for living too much 
>> in my head.  :)
>>
>> If you want to hear / watch a talk, I always like to recommend this one 
>> because it was written for a lay audience and connects the principles of 
>> Zen with ordinary life.  It's Zoketsu Norman Fischer giving the graduation 
>> speech at Stanford in 2014.  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN9p__BHHDs
>>
>> And now that I'm completely off the topic of bikes, I'll stop before my 
>> posts get pulled!
>>   
>>
>> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 6:48:17 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm learning so much here - is there an equivalent of Grant's "Just 
>>> Ride" for Zen?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 2:08:51 AM UTC-6 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 What a pleasure it was to read of your experience, Erik! Much of what 
 you wrote resonates deeply with me. Perhaps this is because we share 
 something of a history with San Francisco Zen Center and a particular 
 approach to both Zen and riding a bike. 

 My formative experiences with Zen occurred when I lived in the City in 
 the late 80s/early 90s and sat at the Zen center regularly during this 
 time. This and S.Suzuki's 'beginner's mind' approach to Zen flavored my 
 view of the practice as a way to "engage with every activity with the same 
 energy as you do your sitting". I was a runner at the time, and my early 
 morning runs to the Zen center from my 16th/Guerrero place and home again 
 were a way to extend the practice beyond the zendo.

 Your description of your ride today puts into words so clearly my own 
 experiences on rides that challenge me, and how I return to my breathing 
 as 
 a method of focusing on the ways in which my body reacts to a tough hill, 
 frozen hands, thirst, or fatigue. There always seems to be another pedal 
 stroke at the bottom of that gaze. And, when the riding is easy, as I 
 mentioned above, breathing is a wonderful way to bring my attention to the 
 moment where brendanoid's 'constant birdsong' echos across Phillip's 
 'gritty industrial streets' as my wheels spin effortlessly. 

 Cheers,
 John
 On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 4:07:55 PM UTC+9 Erik wrote:

> An interesting thread.  I've been involved with Zen practice for a 
> long time.  I'm fortunate to live the greater Bay Area, one of the places 
> where Soto Zen first took root in America back in the 1950s and 60s as 
> the 
> Beat generation started attending services at local Japanese temples in 
> pursuit of new experiences.  Between San Francisco Zen Center and all of 
> the other temples and practices centers that branched off over the years 
> around here, we have a lot of teachers and places to practice.  I've been 
> a 
> student at Sonoma Mountain Zen Center for many years now and have spent a 
> lot of time sitting on a cushion and staring at the wall inside the 
> zendo. 
>
>
> A fundamental concept in Zen practice is that there is no distinction 
> between sitting (zazen) and other activities. Zazen is just one way to 
> bring your attention to the present moment.  A big part of the practice 
> is 
> that you approach and engage with every activity with the same energy as 
> you do your sitting practice and that whatever you are doing should be 
> done 
> fully and completely.  When you sit, you sit.  W

[RBW] White Rock Lake - was that you?

[Philip Barrett]

Blue Homer yesterday at the spillway - I was running not riding & I called 
out after you "nice Rivendell" but I'm not sure you heard me?

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[RBW] Re: How do you track mileage?

[Philip Barrett]

GPS mapping software is smart enough to understand a brief break for 
tunnels. Bridges & underpasses are not a problem as there are multiple 
satellites feeding the data all the way across the horizon so you may lose 
a more overhead signal but not one coming at you from in front or behind. 
As for accuracy, I'm not sure how much closer you want than the typical 16' 
which the standard GPS receivers like your phone or Garmin deliver? Since 
you're traveling rather than static you are giving the mapping software 
flowing data points to extrapolate against for better accuracy than 
standing still too.

There's no way a cycle computer could be calibrated that accurately & the 
margin of error will increase with the mileage.

I use Strava combined with a Wahoo Tickr wrist strap as I like to be mix up 
my HR efforts & I tend to ride too hard. I don't slavishly follow the data 
but Strave lets you input which bike you rode that day which is a great way 
of keeping overall mileage records.




On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 9:46:12 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> Reading through the blog post makes me wonder if anyone has ridden a bike 
> with a carefully calibrated cycle odometer - maybe using the "roll out" 
> method to determine accuracy - along with one of these GPS units to see how 
> accurate the GPS really is.  Seems like riding through areas where the sky 
> is blocked temporarily by tall buildings, underpasses, heavy forestation, 
> etc. would have to have some effect on overall mileage tracked.  Plus, the 
> run-of-the-mill GPS units that individuals can use, be it a specific device 
> (Garmin) or a cell phone,  aren't as accurate to begin with as the high 
> quality equipment that people like surveyors use.
>
> Just curious.  I have a friend who will be riding in the Great Cycle 
> Challenge, a fundraiser for the Children's Cancer Research Fund, again this 
> year and I've carefully calibrated her cycle computer - which I'm not even 
> sure she's used - so she can compare the results with the GPS info that the 
> fundraiser uses to track participant's mileage.
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 8:38:52 AM UTC-6 aeroperf wrote:
>
>> I use a Sigma BC 12.12 Bike Computer, wired, and read it into a 
>> spreadsheet with the Sigma DataCenter program.
>> I bought a bunch of them years ago and calibrate them for each bike on 
>> the trail I ride.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Philip Barrett]

Probably has to be the Atlantis?

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 8:22:50 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>
> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
> question yesterday: 
>
> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and what 
> style - mixte or normal? 
>
> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>
> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a Rivendell 
> steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry Platypus, but 
> I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping Platypus. Up 
> until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring having a trio of 
> bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the raspberry mixte as my 
> One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, does whatever I want it 
> to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>
> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Re: Free for postage: cheap (but nice) "Tifosi" sunglasses

[Philip Barrett]

Tifosi are great value & they sell spare parts for them!

On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 3:22:25 AM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:

> Whoever got these, I have a zippered case along with microfiber 
> storage/cleaning bag that you can have. One less thing hanging around my 
> house. Let me know. Same deal, free for postage. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 at 5:33:24 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I will add that, after owning Rudy Projects and Bolles and other Hi End 
>> cycling shades, I cannot say that these are inferior in performance to 
>> those.
>>
>> FWIW.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 4:29 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> A resounding silence from the iBoblist in response to this my more than 
>>> generous offer, so I'm picking up my toys and going home. Humph.
>>>
>>> These cost me only $25 so I bought 5 different models including (for 
>>> reason I forget) 2 of this model. I'll keep 4 and give this away.
>>>
>>> If anyone on the RBW list wants these, he/she/neuter/etc. is welcome to 
>>> them, with the following conditions:
>>>
>>> 1. Please take only if you will use.
>>>
>>> 2. Please be patient about shipping.
>>>
>>> 3. No case.
>>>
>>> In case it matters, you can call these "cycling" glasses since I bought 
>>> them at a bike shop.
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, happily annoying the unco guid, in ABQ, NM
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>
>>
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>> ---
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Re: [RBW] Kilts!

[Philip Barrett]

Matches the Mermaid methinks?

The kilt actually has a hidden pocket in the front flap & you can order 
with side pockets too.



On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Forgot to add that the plaid matches the tribal rug.
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 10:08 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Best cycling pants I've seen! Wonderful!
>>
>> Where's your sporran?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 9:08 AM Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Time to come clean on this one. Which is that the ultimate in 
>>> comfortable, summer cycling wear is a kilt! Actually, not just any kilt, 
>>> this is a Sport Kilt which I ordered slightly shorter than traditional and 
>>> is made from a lighter weight, easily washable fabric.
>>>
>>> Questions I get asked;
>>>
>>>1. Doesn't it blow up around your waist?
>>>   1. No, the center panel stays firmly put between the legs, the 
>>>   skirt blooms up just enough to show those sexy cyclists thighs!
>>>2. What tartan is that?
>>>   1. I'm actually a Perth Drummond but that's hard to find, 
>>>   marrying into the Ross Clan buys me "rights" to wear this Ross 
>>> Hunting 
>>>   tartan - aside from the battlefield there's no real social etiquette 
>>> around 
>>>   this, pick one you like.
>>>3. What do you wear underneath?
>>>   1. None of your bloody business! Actually, truth be told, the Riv 
>>>   Andiamo undies make an excellent compliment to a kilt if you're not 
>>>   comfortable breezing along.
>>>
>>> https://sportkilt.com/
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20220624_144801375.jpg]
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>>
>>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Kilts!

[Philip Barrett]

I doubt you could cycle in one of those, the Sport Kilt is a bit of a 
different wee beastie being lightweight.

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 11:20:50 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Never worn one, but I’m happy to give a shoutout to 
> https://utilikilts.com/. Big pockets, practical fabrics.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jun 24, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Forgot to add that the plaid matches the tribal rug.
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 10:08 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Best cycling pants I've seen! Wonderful!
>>
>> Where's your sporran?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 9:08 AM Philip Barrett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Time to come clean on this one. Which is that the ultimate in 
>>> comfortable, summer cycling wear is a kilt! Actually, not just any kilt, 
>>> this is a Sport Kilt which I ordered slightly shorter than traditional and 
>>> is made from a lighter weight, easily washable fabric.
>>>
>>> Questions I get asked;
>>>
>>>1. Doesn't it blow up around your waist?
>>>   1. No, the center panel stays firmly put between the legs, the 
>>>   skirt blooms up just enough to show those sexy cyclists thighs!
>>>2. What tartan is that?
>>>   1. I'm actually a Perth Drummond but that's hard to find, 
>>>   marrying into the Ross Clan buys me "rights" to wear this Ross 
>>> Hunting 
>>>   tartan - aside from the battlefield there's no real social etiquette 
>>> around 
>>>   this, pick one you like.
>>>3. What do you wear underneath?
>>>   1. None of your bloody business! Actually, truth be told, the Riv 
>>>   Andiamo undies make an excellent compliment to a kilt if you're not 
>>>   comfortable breezing along.
>>>
>>> https://sportkilt.com/
>>>
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