Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

[Greg]

Thank you Joe, obviously I recognize your name in reference to anything 
Atlantis on the Internet🙂
Before I drive up and look at this bike though I’m wondering if I’m 6’ (89 PBH) 
will a 57 Atlantis fit me… I have a 60 Homer that fits me good with albatross 
bars… but strangely I have a Koga Miyata world traveler 57 there’s my most 
comfortable bike of all time… Confused🤔

Do you think Rivendell 57 is smaller than the regular 57?

Appreciate you!


> On Jan 30, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Update: My sense of the passage of time is a little murky these days..it's 
> 2023?? I think the Toyo pointy-lug Atlantis may have been around 'til about 
> 2010. Somewhere in that decade or shortly after the lugs got round, then 
> construction moved to Waterford. 
> 
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 10:23:14 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>> Early 2000s based on the pointy head lugs and it's a Toyo. Probably ordered 
>> with a custom color from D+D Painting, that's a nice bike. 
>> 
>>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>>> Atlantis?
>>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>>> 
>>> Thanx folks 
>>> 
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Red Toyo Atlantis?

[Greg]

Wow, you guys really are the source for all things Rivendell!!… I mean 
seriously, tracking down the original owner?… Smart!
Thanks to your assistance, I’ve decided to pass on this opportunity for the 
moment…

 I think I’m going to wait for a 60cm and honestly I need to sell or trade my 
Jones LBW first, not only for the Atlantis money, but more importantly just to 
keep my wife happy🙄🙂
Again, Thank You So Much!


“Maranatha”!


> On Jan 31, 2023, at 12:42 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 
> I *think* this bike was formerly owned by (former list member?) Gino Zahnd, 
> as evidenced by this photo from 2013, which I faved at the time: 
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/f8fyGT
> 
> Gino does reference selling it in the comments on the photo.  
> 
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
> 
>> On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-8 homer...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I very curious about this bike. Honestly, I’ve just never seen a red 
>> Atlantis?
>> Does Anyone know what year this bike was made?
>> 
>> Thanx folks 
>> 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html
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[RBW] Re: LA area bike chop recommendation?

[Greg]

Check out Coco's Variety on Riverside/Fletcher for an eclectic mix of
bikes/parts.  Whenever I've needed a small part, they've had it.

On Mar 27, 6:11 pm, andrew hill  wrote:
> Yeah, O20 is across from the original Bike Kitchen, too.
> You can go build your own from random steel for cheaps.
>
> Then when you get tired, go next door for awesome ice cream (Scoops).
>
> Or across the street to vegetarian mexican / barbeque (Pure Luck).  It's 
> actually not bad.  
>
> Best,
> Andrew
>
> On Mar 27, 2011, at 5:48 PM, James Valiensi wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > You can ride the subway to this one, which I think is the coolest bike shop 
> > I've ever been to in Los Angeles.
>
> >http://orange20bikes.com/
>
> > James Valiensi, PE
> > Northridge, CA
> > H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796
>
> > On Mar 27, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Victor Bennett wrote:
>
> >> Hi Folks,
> >> I just moved to LA from the Bay Area and am looking for a good bike
> >> shop to patronize. I'm happy with any LA recommendations, I'm in the
> >> Griffith Park/Los Feliz/Silver lake area, but I'll ttake
> >> recommendations anywhere.
>
> >> Thanks!
>
> >> Victor
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar now has fenders

[Greg]

Hunqa looks great! I've never seen a large cog like that. What's the
story with that? How big is it? Any trouble shifting into it?

On Apr 25, 1:38 pm, Jennings  wrote:
> Just put some SKS fenders on the 58 Hunqa to go with the 700x50
> supremes.  Pics can be seen 
> here.http://www.flickr.com/photos/22765148@N02/sets/72157625334333105/

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[RBW] Re: wanted: anyone wishing to depart with 54 rambo or similar sport tourer/rando?

[Greg]

I have a 650b Toei in your size that I am going to put up for sale --
as soon as I find the time to take some good pics.

Let me know offlist if you're interested.
Thanks, gReg

On May 8, 8:44 pm, canali  wrote:
> hey just looking for a quality sport touring frame (that can take
> fenders and 28 or 32 tires) without having to buy newI have a 53
> Riv atlantis...need 53ish tti stand 5'6"
>
> cheers
> joe

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[RBW] Re: Double Top Tube Sam Hillborne

[Greg]

I own a 60cm single top tube Sam, '09. Maybe because my main two rides
for the last 20 years have been 59cm Ribby's, an RB-1 go-fast and an
RB-T commuter/light tourer, The flex of the single top tube Sam feels
perfect to me under my 226 lbs. for day riding on paved or gravel
roads and overnight inn to inn trips. I start to notice a bit more
flex, not yet objectionable, with a large saddlebag, med. basket up
front, camping gear from my ultralight backpacking kit and 4 days
food. For longer trips with rear panniers instead of the large
saddlebag and adding a small seat bag the flex is more pronounced and
I wish I had a stiffer frame. Jay at Rivendell, who is a 200+ pounder,
started out with a  single top tube Sam and latter had a second top
tube fillet brazed on. He told me the bike still has the same springy-
ness on day rides yet is stiffer laterally when loaded...which sounds
just like what I'm looking for when I'm touring on my Sam. I don't
have any need for a super stiff touring bike since after 11 years of
experimentation I feel totally confident with my ultralight camp gear
and would not want a bike that is capable of carrying an elephantine
fully loaded touring setup. So this winter I'm stripping my Sam and
sending it off to Rivendell to have an undertube added. In that
configuration I would have no reservations about riding the Sam and my
usual tarptent, quilt, torso sized sleep pad, alcohol stove based gear
kit on a trip of any length given the change Jay related in his bike
due to it's single to double top tube transformation.


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[RBW] Re: Surly's Tips for Happy Riding?

[Greg]

Love that Surly-tude!

On Jun 17, 3:23 am, charlie  wrote:
> That's pretty Surly talk. ; )
>
> On Jun 16, 8:57 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I really like today's post on the Surly Blog (http://surlybikes.com/
> > blog/2514/). Seems to be in the same vein as Grant's Tips for Happy
> > Riding. Some of my favorites from the Surly post:
>
> > "Hey, little round glasses pocket protector collared shirt skid lid
> > rear view mirror sandal wearing schwalbe marathon running pletscher
> > two-leg kickstand tourist – good job."
>
> > "Your handlebars can be lower than your saddle, even with your saddle,
> > or higher than your saddle. Whichever way you like it is right."
>
> > "Touch up paint always looks like shit. Often it looks worse than the
> > scratch."
>
> > "The moral of RAGBRAI is that families and drunken boobs can have fun
> > on the same route, just maybe at different times of day."
>
> > --mike

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[RBW] Re: FS: Ortlieb Office Bag - Large

[Greg]

I use an Ortlieb Office Bag, and I am very happy with it for my commute.  
I've tried everything - panniers, baskets, backpack/messenger bag, and for 
my needs -- a desk job that requires carrying papers, files -- you can't 
beat it.  It's a perfect size for documents, laptop, lunch or clothes, etc.  
Highly recommended, and a great price to boot!  And of course, it's 
waterproof!

Greg

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[RBW] Re: 1 1/8 quill stem needed

[Greg]

Sent you an email.  I think I have just what you need.

On Dec 16, 9:53 am, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> Trying to come up with a replacement stem and moustache bars..
> 1 1/8th diamater and need about 11 cm stem.. so looks like I need to come 23
> cm up from head tube and 11 cm out.  or dirt drop of some kind to lessen the
> amount of quill showing.. either way.
>
> the adjustable zoom that is on here sucks!  Can not get it tight enough to
> not move up and down on the ratchet.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Kelly
>
> 
>
> 

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[RBW] Stolen Riv?

[Greg]

If you are aware of an orange A/R having been stolen (could have been
a while ago, I don't know), please contact me off-list.  It's probably
nothing, but I saw something that seemed a little suspicious to me.

Greg

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[RBW] Looking for Small Part for Non-Aero Brake Levers

[Greg]

This probably won't make sense to anyone except those who are familiar
with older non-aero levers.

I have a set of the older Shimano 600 non-aero brake levers (the ones
with the holes in the levers).  But it seems I have lost the little
piece of metal stop that fits under the hood, where the non-aero cable
would sit on.  This is a vaguely cone-shaped small ferrule (for lack
of a better word) that sits on the tip of the brake lever body, which
is then covered by the hood.  Without this piece, the cable just falls
into empty space.

Anyhow, if anyone knows what I'm talking about, and has a suggestion
on a hack that would do the job (keep the housing in place), pls let
me know.

Greg

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Small Part for Non-Aero Brake Levers

[Greg]

You guys are awesome!  I looked at Loose Screws, but I guess I only
looked under the Brake section, not the Cable section.  While I'm at
it, I suppose I should get some individual cassette/freewheel cogs to
salvage some of those cassettes and freewheels that are sitting in the
bottom of my parts drawer.

Thanks again,
Greg

On Oct 19, 4:03 pm, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> Don't know of a hack, but I just bought a few of these from
> loosescrews.com.
> I think they were listed as Dia Comp but might fit Shimano too.
>
> On Oct 19, 6:44 pm, Greg  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > This probably won't make sense to anyone except those who are familiar
> > with older non-aero levers.
>
> > I have a set of the older Shimano 600 non-aero brake levers (the ones
> > with the holes in the levers).  But it seems I have lost the little
> > piece of metal stop that fits under the hood, where the non-aero cable
> > would sit on.  This is a vaguely cone-shaped small ferrule (for lack
> > of a better word) that sits on the tip of the brake lever body, which
> > is then covered by the hood.  Without this piece, the cable just falls
> > into empty space.
>
> > Anyhow, if anyone knows what I'm talking about, and has a suggestion
> > on a hack that would do the job (keep the housing in place), pls let
> > me know.
>
> > Greg

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[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Bike Stand, Bars, Rack, Keven's Bag, Tektro R556s

[Greg]

I'm trying to make some room in the garage and maybe to try some new
stuff, so I'd like to sell or trade the following stuff:

Nitto Folding Bike Stand - it's similar to the one that Bicycle
Quarterly sells, but this one disassembles into 2 pieces.  It is the
one pictured on Jitensha's website:  
http://www.jitensha.com/eng/miscparts_e.html.
$45 shipped.

Nitto Dream Bar 42 - in good used condition.  $40 shipped.

Nitto RM014 Dirt Drop Bar - used with some scratches from mounting,
but still good and functional and rare!  This one has a 25.4 center
sleeve.  $55 shipped.

Nitto R14 Rack - used, with some scratches.  $65 shipped.

Cinelli Giro d'Italia bars - I have 2 of these, both 40 cm.  $20 each
shipped.

Tektro R556 brakes for your 650b conversion.  These were mounted and
ridden for maybe 10 miles.  Like new.  $40 shipped.

Keven's Bags:  I have the regular tan one canvas one (exc.condition)
for $55 shipped, and a Saksville green one (also in exc. condition)
for $45 shipped.  I vaguely recall the green one was sold as a special
because the specs were off in where the saddle mounting straps were
located (not a flaw or defect in any way), but I have had no problems
using it.  The straps are in fact a little bit closer to the
"front" (where the opening is) than in the tan version, which have the
straps closer to the "back."  No difference functionally, in my
experience.

Pics upon request (it may take a day or so).  As for trades, if you
have a Nitto Noodle bar in 42, a Nitto R10 rack (the saddlebag
support), a L'il Loafer, or a Berthoud front bag, let's talk.

Thanks for looking,
Greg

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[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Bike Stand, Bars, Rack, Keven's Bag, Tektro R556s, SON28 wheel+light

[Greg]

I'm trying to make some room in the garage and maybe to try some new
stuff, so I'd like to sell or trade the following stuff:

Nitto Folding Bike Stand - it's similar to the one that Bicycle
Quarterly sells, but this one disassembles into 2 pieces.  It is the
one pictured on Jitensha's website:  
http://www.jitensha.com/eng/miscparts_e.html.
$45 shipped.

Nitto Dream Bar 42 - in good used condition.  $40 shipped.

Nitto RM014 Dirt Drop Bar - used with some scratches from mounting,
but still good and functional and rare!  This one has a 25.4 center
sleeve.  $55 shipped.

Nitto R14 Rack - used, with some scratches.  $65 shipped.

Cinelli Giro d'Italia bars - I have 2 of these, both 40 cm.  $20 each
shipped.

Tektro R556 brakes for your 650b conversion.  These were mounted and
ridden for maybe 10 miles.  Like new.  $40 shipped.

Keven's Bags:  I have the regular tan one canvas one (exc.condition)
for $55 shipped, and a Saksville green one (also in exc. condition)
for $45 shipped.  I vaguely recall the green one was sold as a special
because the specs were off in where the saddle mounting straps were
located (not a flaw or defect in any way), but I have had no problems
using it.  The straps are in fact a little bit closer to the
"front" (where the opening is) than in the tan version, which have the
straps closer to the "back."  No difference functionally, in my
experience.

SON28B Wheel with D'Lumotec LED light.  This is a black SON28 built up
with a 700c Velocity Aerohead rim.  In excellent condition.  The light
is a Busch & Muller D'Lumotec Oval Plus (...).  It has an on/off
switch, an LED light, plus the standlight feature.  $280 shipped.

Pics upon request (it may take a day or so).  As for trades, if you
have a Nitto Noodle bar in 42, a Nitto R10 rack (the saddlebag
support), a L'il Loafer, or a Berthoud front bag, let's talk.

Thanks for looking,
Greg

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[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Bike Stand, Bars, Rack, Keven's Bag, Tektro R556s, SON28 wheel+light

[Greg]

I'm trying to make some room in the garage and maybe to try some new
stuff, so I'd like to sell or trade the following stuff:

Nitto Folding Bike Stand - it's similar to the one that Bicycle
Quarterly sells, but this one disassembles into 2 pieces.  It is the
one pictured on Jitensha's website:  
http://www.jitensha.com/eng/miscparts_e.html.
$45 shipped.

Nitto Dream Bar 42 - in good used condition.  $40 shipped.

Nitto RM014 Dirt Drop Bar - used with some scratches from mounting,
but still good and functional and rare!  This one has a 25.4 center
sleeve.  $55 shipped.

Nitto Jitensha flat bar - you know what I'm talking about.  the really
cool looking one.  the first one here:  http://www.jitensha.com/eng/bars_e.html.
In exc condition.  $35 shipped.

Nitto R14 Rack - used, with some scratches.  $65 shipped.

Cinelli Giro d'Italia bars - I have 2 of these, both 40 cm.  $20 each
shipped.

Tektro R556 brakes for your 650b conversion.  These were mounted and
ridden for maybe 10 miles.  Like new.  $40 shipped.

Keven's Bags:  I have the regular tan one canvas one (exc.condition)
for $55 shipped, and a Saksville green one (also in exc. condition)
for $45 shipped.  I vaguely recall the green one was sold as a special
because the specs were off in where the saddle mounting straps were
located (not a flaw or defect in any way), but I have had no problems
using it.  The straps are in fact a little bit closer to the
"front" (where the opening is) than in the tan version, which have the
straps closer to the "back."  No difference functionally, in my
experience.

SON28B Wheel with D'Lumotec LED light.  This is a black SON28 built up
with a 700c Velocity Aerohead rim.  In excellent condition.  The light
is a Busch & Muller D'Lumotec Oval Plus (...).  It has an on/off
switch, an LED light, plus the standlight feature.  $280 shipped.

Pics upon request (it may take a day or so).  As for trades, if you
have a Nitto Noodle bar in 42, a Nitto R10 rack (the saddlebag
support), a L'il Loafer, or a Berthoud front bag, let's talk.

Thanks for looking,
Greg

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Nitto Bike Stand, Bars, Rack, Keven's Bag, Tektro R556s, SON28 wheel+light

[Greg]

I'm also interested in an Albatross bar for a trade.

On Oct 20, 12:41 am, Greg  wrote:
> I'm trying to make some room in the garage and maybe to try some new
> stuff, so I'd like to sell or trade the following stuff:
>
> Nitto Folding Bike Stand - it's similar to the one that Bicycle
> Quarterly sells, but this one disassembles into 2 pieces.  It is the
> one pictured on Jitensha's website:  
> http://www.jitensha.com/eng/miscparts_e.html.
> $45 shipped.
>
> Nitto Dream Bar 42 - in good used condition.  $40 shipped.
>
> Nitto RM014 Dirt Drop Bar - used with some scratches from mounting,
> but still good and functional and rare!  This one has a 25.4 center
> sleeve.  $55 shipped.
>
> Nitto Jitensha flat bar - you know what I'm talking about.  the really
> cool looking one.  the first one here:  
> http://www.jitensha.com/eng/bars_e.html.
> In exc condition.  $35 shipped.
>
> Nitto R14 Rack - used, with some scratches.  $65 shipped.
>
> Cinelli Giro d'Italia bars - I have 2 of these, both 40 cm.  $20 each
> shipped.
>
> Tektro R556 brakes for your 650b conversion.  These were mounted and
> ridden for maybe 10 miles.  Like new.  $40 shipped.
>
> Keven's Bags:  I have the regular tan one canvas one (exc.condition)
> for $55 shipped, and a Saksville green one (also in exc. condition)
> for $45 shipped.  I vaguely recall the green one was sold as a special
> because the specs were off in where the saddle mounting straps were
> located (not a flaw or defect in any way), but I have had no problems
> using it.  The straps are in fact a little bit closer to the
> "front" (where the opening is) than in the tan version, which have the
> straps closer to the "back."  No difference functionally, in my
> experience.
>
> SON28B Wheel with D'Lumotec LED light.  This is a black SON28 built up
> with a 700c Velocity Aerohead rim.  In excellent condition.  The light
> is a Busch & Muller D'Lumotec Oval Plus (...).  It has an on/off
> switch, an LED light, plus the standlight feature.  $280 shipped.
>
> Pics upon request (it may take a day or so).  As for trades, if you
> have a Nitto Noodle bar in 42, a Nitto R10 rack (the saddlebag
> support), a L'il Loafer, or a Berthoud front bag, let's talk.
>
> Thanks for looking,
> Greg

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Nitto Bike Stand, Bars, Rack, Keven's Bag, Tektro R556s, SON28 wheel+light

[Greg]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all your overwhelming interest.  At this point, I think all
the items are spoken for or sold, except for the Nitto Dream and
Cinelli bars.  If you have sent me an email, I will respond
individually.

Thanks again,
Greg

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[RBW] Re: Singlespeed wheelset advice needed

[Greg]

I have a QB wheel (well, the same hub, different rim) that I'm not
using for sale.  I got this from Franklyn on this list a while back,
and have put a couple hundred miles on it, but I'm in a paring-down
mode.  I believe this was laced up by a local shop in Berkeley and the
axle changed to a solid axle.  Contact me offlist if you're
interested.

Greg in Oakland

On Nov 3, 8:39 am, Dlbracey  wrote:
> I'm building a commuter bike right now and I need a strong singlespeed
> wheelset for my 225lb self.  I'd like to be able to run 35mm tires and
> I have a limited budget.  Basically, I'm looking for a set of
> Quickbeam wheels, but they don't seem to be available for purchase
> from riv.
>
> I'm considering the following wheelsets that all cost around, mostly
> below $200 and all have formula hubs - Sun CR18, VO PBP, Mavic A319,
> and a little more expensive Mavic Open Sport.  I've read some horror
> stories about factory built/bicyclewheelwarehouse wheels, but does any
> one here have any experience/advice? Are the horror stories the
> outliers?  I haven't had any luck finding anything used, but I'm open
> to used wheels.
>
> Thanks for any help.

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[RBW] Re: Oakland/Berkeley probability of theft?

[Greg]

Jose,

Welcome to beautiful Oakland!  This is what I do in Rockridge.  Even
though Rockridge is considered a nice neighborhood, and is really not
at all like the Oakland that people think of from the news, it is
still a moderately urban area with lots of people moving through on
foot, bike, bart, cars, and hence opportunistic crimes are not
unusual.

I would ALWAYS lock the bike with a u-lock.  Generally, for 30-minute
situations, I just lock the front wheel and the frame to a rack/meter.
(Actually, I think a cable lock would be OK for these situations, but
since you'll need to get a u-lock for other situations, might as well
use it.)  If I'm going to be locking it up for longer periods,
particularly if it's going to be out of sight the whole time, I would
use a cable with the u-lock to lock up both front and rear wheels.

I NEVER leave lights on the bike, except at the garage at my work
(also in Oakland).  Brooks saddles---I personally don't worry about
it, particularly on a coffee/errand run.  But if you were to park it
at Bart everyday all day, I wouldn't be surprised if it got stolen on
a bad luck day.  As for bags, I generally leave my Carradice on the
bike, but I have a nagging worry that it could get stolen.  I would
not leave an easily detachable bag, such as removable panniers, on the
bike.

>From personal experience, I have had the following happen to me over
the past 10 years.  I have had a seat bag with tools stolen while
parked at Rockridge BART all day, a seatpost and saddle from a beater
stolen (had a QR, I should have known better) while parked at
Rockridge BART all day, an unlocked bike stolen from my side yard at
my old house in Oakland (which was not in Rockridge), a cable-locked
bike stolen from the North Berkeley Bart station while parked there
all day.  I would think this is fairly representative for someone who
is generally careful, but not obsessive.

Drop me a line offlist,

Greg







On Nov 10, 11:00 pm, jose  wrote:
> Hi All. I just moved to Oakland (Rockridge) from Houston and I'm
> curious what peoples opinions are parking your Rivs here are.
>
> In Houston, I felt fairly comfortable with locking up my Atlantis with
> bags/lights/brooks onboard with just a cable lock during the day. No
> one there pays too much attention to an old looking slow bike with a
> bunch of crap on it (ha!).
>
> Here I see only beater-bikes with no bags/lights/brooks parked on the
> street.
>
> So I'm wondering how secure I should go.  Never leave lights on the
> bike?  Cover up the Rivendell logos? Get one of those locking seat
> post clamp things? I realize that no bike on the street is ever safe,
> but I'd like get a sense of what the probability of getting my stuff
> jacked here is.
>
> Oh, and I'm asking for during the day coffee and errand type trips.
> For BART parking and late-night pub crawls I just bought a $50
> craigslist special, but I would really like to be on my Atlantis as
> much as I can be.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -- J.

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[RBW] Re: Riding my Atlantis fom SF to Long Beach

[Greg]

What a great trip.

For those who don't know, Mark runs a local (San Francisco) messenger
bag company, which makes a very cool "Zero Waste" bag --- all the
little pieces that are cut from the fabric are used in its design.  He
also doesn't use pvc and other eco-unfriendly products.  Most of all,
the fabric designs are super-cool.  It's called Rickshaw Bagworks.
Check it out.  Greg (no affiliation with Rickshaw; just an
enthusiastic customer)



On Feb 7, 8:58 am, mmdwight  wrote:
> Just thought I'd shout out to the RBW enthusiasts. I'm on my second
> annual 500-mile trek down Highway 1 from SF to Long Beach to attend
> the TED conference and raise some money for a homeless youth project
> in SF. I'm also celebrating my 50th birthday in three weeks, so I
> decided this was a good way to start my new decade. Cycling helps keep
> you young! My Atlantis is a great ride. I've got 338 miles on the
> odometer so far this trip, with 180 more to reach Long Beach. It's
> been soggy for the past two days, but looks like clear weather today.
> If you're interested, I'm sending updates via Twitter (markdwight).
> Cheers! -Mark

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

[Greg]

I used to have the Carradice Boxy Bag (which I regret selling), which
used the same Nitto mount, so I can comment on the second question.

To take it off, you would need to unscrew the 2 buttonhead allen bolts
at the front of the rack, then slide the bag off.  But I found the
allen bolts to be basically unnecessary.  They are there to prevent
the bag from slipping off the front, but the fit is such that the bag
is not likely to completely slide off without you noticing.  So you
could leave off the bolts for easy removal.  Alternatively, you could
find different bolts -- such as "wing bolts" -- which would be easier
to unscrew.  It is a standard metric thread, maybe an 8M.

Greg

On Feb 11, 10:47 am, William Henderson 
wrote:
> Seriously eyeing this bag. I may go check it out this weekend if I'm
> feeling up to the hour BART ride. My questions:
>
> - How big is the main compartment? (will it fit, say, an iPad?)
> - How easy is it to take on and off? (easy enough so that I can take
> it off the bike each time I lock up?)
> - How much water can it take?
>
> wc.
>
> On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
> > BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
> > didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.
>
> >http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208
>
> > Anyone order one yet?
>
> > --mike

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[RBW] Re: Brifter-friendly triples?

[Greg]

I'm not sure if the crankset would be the issue.  Back in the day when
triple brifters first came out (late 90s?), the conventional wisdom
was that you had to use a front derailleur specifically designed for
triples.  At that time, there was only one, which had a different
design (swung from the bottom rather than the top) and was a level
below 105 -- RSX or something like that.  Anyhow, my wife's bike with
brifters, that f.d. and an XC Pro triple worked fine.

That's a long way of saying, maybe you should start with a modern
triple front derailleur and go from there.

Also, it's my impression that cranks don't generally care whether it's
8- or 9- speed.

Greg

On Apr 8, 10:05 am, "M. Chandler"  wrote:
> Shimano's road triples are too tall for my needs, so I'm wondering if
> there are brifter-friendly cranks in the 26/36/46 range out there.
> I've got a Sugino XD triple that's 24/36/48, but the big ring isn't
> ramped (and I suspect the rings are spaced for an 8-speed chain).
> Current derailleurs are XT (rear) and Deore (front), so I'd probably
> need to swap out the Deore for something with the correct cable pull.
> Cassette is 9-speed, so that probably limits my brifter choice to NOS/
> used stuff.

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[RBW] Re: Now: Kid-back bike attachment thingies

[Greg]

We've had a Piccolo for a couple of years, and my 6-y.o. loves it.
But we love the Xtracycle even more for just tooling around town ---
despite the extra effort on my part, it's much more stable and has
cargo room.

Back to the Piccolo:  I thought Burley had started selling them again
a year or so ago?

Greg
Oakland, CA

On Jul 6, 10:37 pm, cyclotourist  wrote:
> I'd love to!  It's a Burley
> Piccolo.<http://www.amazon.com/Burley-Piccolo-Trailercycle/dp/B002NVLFW6>
> No longer available, but you can find them used on ebay and CL.  I
> unequivocally, 100% hands down recommend it.  Very solid mounting on the
> proprietary Moose rack that comes with it.  It has gears that let the kid
> learn to fiddle with the shifty bits without having to steer.  When the
> kiddo is pedaling you can go like a rocket, too!
>
> I tried the Adams kind and hated it.  I presume but can't confirm if there
> are other seatpost mounted options that are better or if the Adams models
> have improved (it was maybe a 10 y.o. model I had).
>
> They go for around $200 used.  Kinda' rare, but they're out there.  One in
> Boulder FS right now at a screaming 
> deal:http://boulder.craigslist.org/bik/1816648619.html
>
> Hope you can find one!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Eduardo Rosas  wrote:
> > Looks like lots of fun.
> > Can you comment more on the trail-a-bike attachment?  Is that
> > something custom made?
>
> > Thanks in advance! --e
>
> > On Jul 6, 3:12 pm, Mike  wrote:
> > > So finally I woke up to a nice sunny day here in Portland. Seems like
> > > it's taken forever for summer to start here. Cyclotourist (David E.)
> > > is up visiting friends with his son Jake and we were able to arrange a
> > > ride through Forest Park. Took off from my house in N. Portland across
> > > the St Johns Bridge, up Germantown Rd and over to Saltzman and into
> > > Forest Park where I met up with David, his son Jake, and his hosts
> > > Arlo and Bryn. We had a nice easy ride through Forest Park and even
> > > took in a bit of singletrack. I've been a member of this group for
> > > 3yrs now and it was nice to meet another group member face to face for
> > > a ride.
>
> > > Riv content: Arlo rode David's old Quickbeam with Jake as a stoker
> > > (Team Cheetah!), David rode his custom Rivendell All-Rounder, I rode
> > > my Hilsen and Bryn rode her full suspenson mtn bike but apparently
> > > owns a custom Rivendell road.
>
> > > Here's some photos. They're not very good as I took them with my phone
> > > but David also took photos which I'm sure he'll post to The Flickr.
>
> > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624438255720/
>
> > > --mike
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[RBW] Re: Introduce myself

[Greg]

Hey Joel,
Thanks for the info on the Toursacks.
I had assumed I would just get the green canvas model, but this grey-
grid cotton-poly material has me interested.
Especially when I read it was stronger AND lighter.
That's music to an ultralight packers ears!
Since I'm so used to Spectra and Dyneema grid fabrics on ultralight
backpacks, the grey-grid Toursacks have a familiar look.
The size sounds just about perfect to me.
Have any photos of your Sam outfitted with the bags?
Greg




On Jul 15, 10:59 pm, SFF  wrote:
> Hey Greg,
>
> I did the pre-order on the TourSacks and received mine on Monday -
> grid grey model. Read the description on the Riv site...these are not
> large bags. I plan on using mine for daily commuting, grocery runs of
> <25lbs and S24O's. I also have the Wald med basket and ShopSack combo
> on the front. I think with the TourSack and the ShopSack I can do
> everything I need to do on my Sam Hillborne.
>
> The straps are ~10" long with 6 buckle holes, so you can overstuff the
> bags and have ~16" of capacity top to bottom. The bottom of the bag is
> ~10" wide and expands as you go up to ~13". The bags have a cut away
> design so you don't hit your heel on them as you petal around - a good
> feature but you lose some bag capacity. If you are used to a bag with
> a zippered top these bags will take some getting used to because the
> strap and buckle is low on the bag under the top flap. I'm okay with
> that now but at first it was somewhat hard to get to the buckle. The
> fabric is very nice and will not be prone to tears or rips. First
> class job on the stiching and detail on the bag. Should last forever.
> The bungee ball fastening method is new to me so I'm not sure what to
> think. What I have done so far is just thread one bungee ball through
> the top hole around the back reflector plate and fasten to the front
> part of the Nitto rack. It works and I can get the bags on or off in
> less than 10 seconds. Have not tried the bottom attach method as shown
> on the Riv site. Are replacement bungee balls readily available if you
> lose yours? (You get 4 with the bags...) Don't really want to zip tie
> them on the rack.
>
> Anyway, I like 'em and look forward to using them on my daily rides
> around town.
>
> Joel
>
> 5, 7:49 am, Mike  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Welcome to the group! Have you thought about using Ortlieb Front
> > Rollers in the rear? Those with the wald basket might work well for
> > you. I did a tour last year using OFR in the rear and a Berthoud HB
> > bag in front. Although I was gone only 8 days I felt like I could have
> > toured with that set-up for a month.
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/3831147247/in/set-721576220...
>
> > I'm sure other people besides me would love to see pictures of your SH
> > and your Bridgestones.
>
> > Next week I'm finally getting out for an S24O on my Hilsen. I just
> > ordered a medium Wald Basket and Medium Sackville ShopSack. I'm hoping
> > to use the basket and sack along with a Carradice Nelson LF for this
> > trip. But I may end up using the Ortliebs, just depends on the weather
> > and how much I want to bring.
>
> > Keep us posted on what you decide.
>
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[RBW] Re: Bay Area Folks only

[Greg]

I don't have a Burley, but I have an xtracycle with a child carrier
that you can borrow.

Greg
Oakland

On Jul 20, 3:55 pm, RonLau  wrote:
> Bay Area Folks,
>
> Anyone here has a Burely trailer (double or single) I can borrow for
> this Sunday?
>
> Wife wants to go camping with our 2 years old and there is only so
> much I can carry.
>
> Ron

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[RBW] Re: Shorts--MUSA alternatives

[Greg]

I'm also a fan of the Patagonia Rock Guide shorts. Commute in them
nearly every day.
Love the Pata. Gi2's as well.
OR Rapid Short is stretchy like the Rock's but lighter.
Pata. Thrift Short is kinda like the Boosucker...only made of 65% poly
amd 35% org.cottonPuckered finish.
Favorite knickers are Gi2 pant converted with a 19" inseam and Prana
Nemisis...their stretch woven nylon.
Smartwool made a wool short called the Ranch but I think they are
phasing it out...got a pair, their o.k.
Ibex is making a wool knicker called the Commuter.

Greg

On Jul 4, 10:48 am, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
> Late to the discussion, but anyway: I use well chosen shorts from Goodwill,
> where I, at any rate, can find top quality for $4.79. My best are a
> Patagonia pair and another, longer one, both of good quality nylon and cut
> loose and long enough that they don't dig in in front or slip down in back
> when you are bent over the bar. Secured rear pockets, decently loose side
> pockets, high enough waist, well made, dry quickly. I wear them over regular
> boxers up to 30 miles.
>
> And I've got a number of very tightly woven cotton shorts, cut similarly,
> and, apart from getting caught in the rain, they perform as well as the
> nylon shorts.
>
> IME, the key is: long enough legs; high enough waist/low enough crotch; and
> a cut that is not tight but still trim enough to stay put in the huge wind
> of your travel. Oh, and decent bike fit, too.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 6:47 PM, EricP  wrote:
> > Mostly just the MUSA shorts.  Right now have a pair of XXL on,
> > although haven't needed that size in a number of years.  The only time
> > they get worn is when it is hot and humid out.  Then the billowing is
> > a nice thing.  Eventually will hem the waist strap, which hangs silly
> > low now.
>
> > Otherwise the MUSA fits me okay.  Sometimes I get hung up on the
> > billowing.  But only because my black "diapers" will show.  Could wear
> > a L, and have a butternut pair.  But feel the legs are actually too
> > tight.  The XL is just loose enough to be comfortable, both on and off
> > the bike.
>
> > Keep thinking about the Rapha touring shorts, but not sure about their
> > sizing.  Had two mediocre experiences with Swobo knickers and have
> > been shy of buying actual sized clothing since then.
>
> > Eric Platt
> > St. Paul, MN
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[RBW] Re: Timeline of Sachs lugset.

[Greg]

I have the earlier catalog with the earlier Riv models.  The larger
sized Riv Standards use the All Rounder lugs (developed in conjunction
with the Waterford guys) --- and maybe the elusive Riv MTB that was
featured in that catalog also.

So my guess is that the lugset on the ebay Riv is the All Rounder
lugset.  The (smaller) Riv Standard is the only model that used that
Sachs lugset (Sachs himself used a worked up version on his own
anniversary models, and I think a special Waterford model -- chromed
something -- used the same lugs).

As for the serial no, the Waterford Rivs uses the Waterford coding
system.



On Jan 26, 2:32 pm, JL  wrote:
> I have a .pdf of a catalog from 1996/1997 that features the road
> standard and the long low.  The catalog shows the Sachs lugs, like my
> 1996 road standard has.  This got me thinking that the early '96
> models might have different lugs. Maybe it is a size thing - mine is a
> 54cm.  Does anyone know if there is a chronology coded in the serial
> numbers?  It looks like my road standard model is stamped 680961.
>
> Jason
>
> On Jan 26, 11:41 am, Charles Pockell-Wilson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have a 1996 Rivendell with what appear to be the same lugs as the eBay
> > bike.
>
> > BTW: Mine is a 62. About the same color with the exceptions that it has a
> > cream head tube and no pin striping. I have been considering putting up for
> > sale...
>
> > Best,
>
> > Charles Pockell-Wilson
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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 32s on a Romulus

[Greg]

I use the Jack Brown Blues on my '91 Bridgestone RB-T for commuting.
Before that I ran the Supremes in 32mm and, before that.Jack Brown
Blues.
I switched back to the Jacks because, like Brett, I found they were
smoother rolling but also faster on pavement than the Supremes. In
spite of them being wider.
When you roll a set of Supremes across a polished stone floor, they
rumble and you can feel it through your handlebars.
A couple folks replied that their experience was different and they
thought Supremes had it over Jacks.
Welleverybody to their own kick and I reckon there's no accounting
for taste.
But after back to back runs, I'm staying with Jack's in Blue.
Greg

On May 24, 4:12 pm, BrettG  wrote:
> Last winter after getting several flats in the rain on my VO Rando
> bike
> I put on some Supreme 32s as a temporary replacement for Grand Bois
> Cypress
> as the width is close to the same (the Supreme 32s measure about 30 or
> 31mm).
>
> I also have a Romulus with Jack Brown blues (measure 33mm) and
> frankly
> having ridden the Supremes I definitely prefer the Jack Browns on my
> Romulus.  I've never had a flat in over 3 years of using the Jack
> Brown
> blues on my Romulus.  The Jack Browns are more comfortable, more
> attractive
> and produce less road noise that the Supremes.  I've also used the JB
> greens with success.  The Jack Browns and Grand Bois Cypress tires are
> by
> far my favorite tires, it's just that the Grand Bois tires have been
> more prone to flats.
>
> Brett.
>
> On May 23, 1:13 pm, "Darin G."  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Think of the Supreme 32s on my Rom, at least for summer when I let the
> > Romulus run naked.  I run the 40s on my Atlantis and love them.  Anyone
> > using the 32s?

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[RBW] Re: Jack Browns or Schwalbe Marathon Supremes?

[Greg]

I wore out a set of JB Blues out on a '91 Bridgestone RB-T I use as my
commuter. I then tried a set of Marathon Supremes, but in 32mm size.
Wore those out. I'm back with the JBB's now. The Supremes were a nice
tire, long lasting, but had more rolling resistance. They really
rumble when you roll them across a smooth surface and my experience
has been that translates into more resistance on pavement. I think
I'll stay with the JBB's. Though I will check them more often for
embedded debris than I did the Supremes.

On Dec 21, 3:37 pm, Jim Mather  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Chris Lampe  wrote:
> > I'm working on retrofitting an old mid-90's hybrid bicycle and one of
> > the changes I want to make is new tires.  I'm trying to decide between
> > the Jack Brown's and the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700 x 35c.
>
> I prefer the MS to JB blue; I haven't tried JB green. The MS feels cushier
> and quicker but I haven't timed myself on them. The JB was my favorite 33
> tire, though, until I tried the MS. I only got one flat on the JB's in many
> miles, but I have yet to flat the MS. Also, the little bit of inverted
> tread on the MS gave more bite off pavement than the JB's. Not a big
> difference, and the JB is a great tire, but the MS has become my preferred
> ride.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs. Sam

[Greg]

Sam..I'm 220 lbs. and ride a single TT 60cm. It is perfect in feel
as a day trip bike. Handles a med. basket and large Saddlesack with up
to 4 days gear great.There is a little flex when running a set of
Toursacks on the rear for longer trips 'cause they hang behind the
rear axle and aren't as close to the rider/bike COG as a saddlebag,
but I only notice it if I shake the handle bars back and forth on
purpose. I do camp/tour with ultralight backpacking gear, though.
I'd rather have a slightly flexy touring bike than a stiffish day
bike.
I've been riding larger framed B'stone RB-1 and RB-T for 20+
years...so I like a compliant frame feel.
Sam as an everyday bike + light tourer.No question.;-)
MTCW.

On Feb 4, 7:17 pm, murphyjrfk  wrote:
> i know it tends to be a different comparison, given the price and all.
> but let's assume the price is the same.  i can't decide. at all. and
> price is an issue but still wanna compare.
>
> this is where i'm stuck. i want a bike that can tour. but can mostly
> serve as fun and quick, spirited normal everyday bikes. i don't need a
> "fast" bike. i just want a quick bike. i like the atlantis better, but
> im nervous that it will be sluggish unloaded.  maybe dat ain't true-i
> dunno.
>
> anyways. horrible grammar aside, i am hoping some sam owners and
> atlantis owners would chime in. and if you own both. that'd be even
> betta!
>
> thanks.

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Knickers - Sartorial Slippery Slope

[Greg]

I don't have any MUSA knickers..but I do own 2 pair of Prana Nemisis
Knickers (good for climbing, stretch woven nylon). I wear them to
work. But I work at an outdoor speciality retail shop so, no big deal
on the dress code. I plan on getting some MUSA's soon, though.
Especially now that they have the longer legs. I'm 57 and a typical
day will see me wearing knickers, Merrell "Barefoot" Tough Glove shoes
and a Patagonia Pima organic cotton plaid shirt.
BTW, the Merrell line of "barefoot" running and causual shoes are
great for cycling too when paired with a Grip King or the like. At
only about 6 oz. a shoenot much inertia to overcome..

On Feb 26, 9:01 pm, Bruce Herbitter  wrote:
> I have worn MUSA pants on casual dress Friday. Feel great, and the chain
> lube grease marks  usually go un-noticed..
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Leslie  wrote:
>
> > But at work...  'business casual' is the standard, slacks are the norm,
> > but I can pull off khaki Carhartts easy enough, as I 'could' need to go out
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[RBW] Re: How waterproof are the Sackvilles?

[Greg]

I've never had water enter the main compartment of my large Saddlesack, 
which has seen some rainy multi-day tours in Va./W. Va./ MD.. Nonetheless, 
I use trash compactor bags or mega-size Ziplocks as liners.
I have had rain water enter the two front zippered pockets and even the 
leather flapped side pockets. Putting all you stuff carried in these two 
locations in Ziplocks is prudent.
The great advantage of a canvas bag for bicycle touring is the same as a 
Duluth Pack for canoe tripping.
Breathability. Even if the interior of the bag gets wet it will dry out, 
evaporate. You don't get that with waterproof-coating bags. The exterior 
may dry fast but any water that gets inside stays there till you drain it 
out and mop the inside.
For the same reason I prefer Egyptian hemp cotton decks on Klepper kayaks 
for touring to any waterproof nylon ones.

On Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:15:03 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Any water get inside in rainy rides?
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone down for quick Spur of the Moment S240

[Greg]

I would ABSOLUTELY gobut I live in Virginia.

On Jul 16, 12:38 am, Manuel Acosta 
wrote:
> For those that are interested or have a free day.
> Monday to Tuesday- SF to Half Moon Bay Via Planet of the Apes Road.
> Camp at Half Moon Bay State Park then ride back the next day via
> Devils Slide.
> Questions? Go with your gut. Don't over think this just go!
> Bring everything or nothing!
> Starting late morning or early afternoon. Lets say brunchish.
> There will be plenty of stopping for food and pictures and random
> stuff (playing in the sand or climbing on rocks).
> Everything important will be figured during the ride.
> This will be a good ride for those who has never ridden on a S240.
> We will most likely get lost but all in good fun.
>
> Here's pictures of the ride a couple of months ago. Minus the ride
> from Hawk Camphttp://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157626612344624/
>
> -Manny "It's called Planet of the Apes Road for a reason." Acosta

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Schwalbe Big Apple tires 60-622

[Greg]

Eric,

Are yours also the 700c size? Looking for some 26ers.

Thanks,

Greg

On Sep 20, 4:06 pm, erik jensen  wrote:
> I have a pair of big apples: less than 30 miles. I'll also sell them for 50
> shipped, if anyone else was looking.
>
> Erik
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, Jon Doyle  wrote:
> > Tires are spoken for.
>
> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jon Doyle 
> wrote:
> >> Up for sale/trade:
> >> Pair of Schwalbe Big Apple tires, 29x2.35" (ETRTO 60-622) in good
> >> condition. Fat, fast, and cushy 29er tires for pavement and everything
> >> but mud. Maybe 200mi on them (at most), never punctured. Think I have
> >> 2 tubes to include, too. Selling because I sold the bike they fit on.
> >> Schwalbe product page:http://www.schwalbetires.com/node/1328
>
> >> $45 shipped CONUS.
>
> >> -OR-
>
> >> Trade for some fat touring tires in 26x1.75+, a nice 27.2mm silver two-
> >> bolt seat post, or a WTB saddle of comparable value. Please contact me
> >> off list with offers.
>
> >> Jon
> >> Watertown, MA
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[RBW] Re: Touring Weight

[Greg]

I'm happy that your happy that you carry 80 lbs.of gear and love every
minute of it. I'm happy that I'm happy that I can carry 20 lbs. under
the same circumstances and do everything you can do. So Happy Trails
to You. Chain whip and all.

On Sep 22, 1:31 pm, Kelly Sleeper  wrote:
> Ok fasten your seat belt.    Here I go.. really I assure you that I only
> speak for myself and my own desires and moments.  I also am tired .. OH OH
> so TIRED of people telling me I or others that they carry to much weight on
> a touring trip.  
>
> You weight weeny tour bikers can kiss my (insert here what you think I
> think)  Ok I'm not that passionate about it.. however I don't get the weight
> weeny obsession for so many people when touring.    Are you in that big of a
> hurry?    
>
> Great and I'm all for you being minimalist.   Have fun.. just don't tell me
> I'm doing it wrong because you do it differently.   I like having my 25 foot
> extension cord, my laptop, charging accessories and smart phone.  I like
> having the ability to sit in my tent during a long storm and watching tv on
> the internet.
> I don't mind pedaling with 80 lbs of gear on the bike.  I'm only traveling
> 50 to 60 miles a day anyway... look to average about 10 mph and just toodle
> along.. and you will tell me I carry to much...  
>
> Humm.. hurricane goes through and then you are looking at 20 degree temp
> drop .. and continuous down pours for two days.. having good cooking
> equipment.. cans of soup.. laptop.. rain gear warmer clothes was all
> great...
>
> Oh wait no showers and really sweaty and dirty.. sure was nice having a
> solar shower to clean up with including the soap  the traveling partners
> didn't mind borrowing the shower...
> Getting dark.. 80 miles in .. calling it a day.. setup the laptop .. log
> into home tv with sling box and watch tv.. while waiting on a pizza to be
> delivered... traveling companions gathered round to watch.. and wonder if
> this was really roughing it...
>
> Oh wait nice water ahead.. sweet.. I have a swimming suit.. towel and water
> shoes just for this.. (gotta love crocs at times)  Sorry traveling companion
> not sharing this.
>
> Yes my repair bag is 15 lbs... with extra rear derailur .. chain whip, wire
> cutters, cables, chain links, cassette, front derailur and other assorted
> junk I hope not to need..
>
> Well no it's not roughing it.. not supposed to be rough.. I'm on vacation..
> enjoying travel by bicycle... not setting some record, or challenging some
> super duper worm waggle .. snail jump worlds competition anyway.
>
> Especially here where you ride bikes in a style that is heavier and slower
> than the racing counter parts I would think you would see that weight is not
> that big a deal.  (hold it before you start.. passing kit clad wannabe's
> isn't passing a racer going after it)  When trying to ride in the moderate
> speed ranges weight of very little concern.  Or insert moderate execration
> levels non racing lets enjoy the bike stuff.   This sentence is a deep dark
> rat hole I should delete but won't.. so ignore it or get it but don't argue
> it with me on this thread please... see I even used the word please.
>
> I've traveled with 4 full panniers and a trailer hauling a plastic bike and
> the average speed didn't change much from just going without the trailer and
> bike.  Same arguments made for bigger tires... comfort..
>
> I want comfort on the road.. extra shoes in case one pair gets wet.  larger
> tent for getting all my gear inside or repacking or long days of torrential
> storms.
>
> I want clothing that covers the 90 degree day I had today and the rainy cold
> 40 degree (feeling like 20) day I'm going to end up with tomorrow.  
>
> I carry more weight on a century ride than some of you do for cross country.
>
> I don't care how little you carry or what you might be able to do without..
> it's not a challenge .. just pack what you think you want.  If you don't
> want to carry it a day or two in stop at UPS and send some home.   My only
> point is that you don't have to worry about weight so much.. it's not that
> big of a deal in most situations.
> Ya I know for every rule ... there  is the exception.. exemptions to the
> rule does  not make the rule invalid.
>
> So make fun of the heavy haulers all you want... I'm a proud one and want
> you potential bike tourers to know it's ok and not a bad thing to go
> prepared and comfy.  (insert heavy and comfy instead of prepared and avoid
> conflict)
>
> So here are some touring photos
>  http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157627604208847/
> different bikes and different times.. progression.. whatever.. figure photos
> are the reward for reading my rant.
>
> It's fun and weight is so NOT a thing to worry about.
>
> Kelly

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting a Ron's Fabio's Chest on my Homer

[Greg]

I’ve had wonderful luck with Jack the rack and it switches between multiple bikes🙂Jack the bike rackwholegraincycles.comOn Nov 7, 2024, at 2:59 AM, Roberta  wrote:I have a different bag, but the same issue I use the NITTO F16 bag support. https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-f16-front-handlebar-hook-bag-supporter-bag_part_nitto__870-288-10/p?srsltid=AfmBOopSmHYsmwYTHG7B2QUPQNuwGWYKM-o8Xss9W3a5oqcgKUEeXNUmOn Monday, October 14, 2024 at 7:13:13 PM UTC-4 Donzaemon wrote:Hi all,I picked up a Ron's Fabio's Chest in the large size a while back for another bike, but I'm considering using it on my Homer (mounted to the handlebars). That said, between the long head tube and tall stack stem, I'm not sure there are any racks that would work as a bag support. For those of you who are using this bag, can you share photos of your setup? Thanks!-Don



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Re: [RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

[Greg J]

That seat stay cap was used across various models - I don't know if it is a 
Riv-sourced custom piece - but it doesn't have anything to do with 
Waterford (nor is it intended to be a "W" - just a decoration.

On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 3:51:23 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:

> Here’s mine. A Toyo by its serial number and Frank’s pics. You can see one 
> of the third water bottle mounts at the top in the photo.
> Year? I don’t know. I bought the frameset third-hand, six years ago, and 
> thought it might be 2009 using some of the info on CycloFiend.
>
> David
> On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 2:47:51 PM UTC-7 frank_a wrote:
>
>> [image: 7052F7D8-A7C3-40E9-BF7D-7549C10B03C0.jpeg][image: 
>> C25083FA-4E17-4971-90D1-18B4084AC777.jpeg]
>> The serial number will tell you if it’s a Toyo or Waterford built frame.
>> Toyo serial numbers are large and run across the bb shell while the 
>> Waterford numbers are smaller and are oriented around the shell, parallel 
>> to the outer edge. One photo is a Saluki and the other photo is a Waterford 
>> built Rosco.
>> The Toyo Atlantis’ read: AT0001 and so on, Homer: AH0001
>> SA0026 - the 26th Saluki
>> - Frank
>>
>> On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 11:26:35 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I looked on Cyclofiend and where they were visible, the Atlantises all 
>>> appeared to have the W. It may not be related to Waterford after all.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-4 Danny wrote:
>>>
 The early Atlantis brochures show the W on the seat stay cap with Toyo 
 being the only listed builder in the brochures. My Riv knowledge is not 
 very deep, so perhaps Waterford was building the Atlantis as well at that 
 time? or Riv was buying the seat stay caps from them?

 Atlantis 2001 brochure 
 
 Atlantis 2002 brochure 
 

 [image: Screen Shot 2022-09-02 at 9.15.04 AM Medium.jpeg]
 [image: Screen Shot 2022-09-02 at 9.36.37 AM Medium.jpeg]

 -Danny







 On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 7:41 AM Bill Schairer  wrote:

> In general, is one not able to tell from the serial number?
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 11:50:12 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>
>> That is a first class detail. Don’t believe it was on my formerly 
>> owned 2014 Waterford Atlantis so perhaps the W was featured on certain 
>> models? I am fond of concave seat stay caps though. Happy that they’re 
>> on 
>> my Sam.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 1:06 PM, J J  wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, thanks for the interesting bit about Waterford-built frames. 
>>> This is the first I hear. I never noticed the W as a deliberate W (as 
>>> opposed to being strictly an embellishment) on my Waterford 
>>> Hunqapillar, so 
>>> it was cool to see it for what it is. I had to check the other Rivs in 
>>> the 
>>> stable, all Toyo built, and of course none has the W.
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>>
>>> [image: Hunq Waterford seat stay end.jpeg]
>>> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 9:47:06 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Don't Waterford frames have a distinctive seat stay end cap with a 
 'W" in the recess - my Bombadil does. This is a better picture from 
 the 
 Waterford site, but the same as my Bombadil:

 [image: 
 6881680380_566caa3985_z-nwiouwjw51r3qwj11ieoc8axc7o69w290ux5x1it4w.jpg]

 Laing



 On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:05:54 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard 
 wrote:

> THAT'S it. I knew there was a difference between the two but 
> couldn't remember the detail change. But I think yours is backwards, 
> my 
> recollection is Toyo had two sets of bottle bosses and the later 
> Waterford 
> got the third set. 
>
> On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 12:01:05 AM UTC-7 Hetchins52 
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure that it is totally definitive but I expect the Toyo AHH 
>> to have three water bottle boss pairs and the Waterford to have two 
>> pairs 
>> (none under the down tube).
>>
>> David Lipsky
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 7:11:42 PM UTC-7 James wrote:
>>
>>> I have an older AHH.  Anyone know how I can tell if it's Toyo or 
>>> Waterford made?
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 5:52:35 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 I had an older MUSA AHH 61 (2006-ish?) and a Taiwan Sam 62 
 (2015-ish) with 2TT and for a brief spell I also had a 2TT 58. All 
 of them 
>>>

[RBW] Looking for 54cm Rambouillet

[Greg J]

Hi folks,

Wondering if anyone has an early Rambouillet (orange, with the sharper 
lugs) in a 54cm that they are thinking about moving along?

I have a 56cm that is a little on the large side and am thinking I'd ride a 
54 more.  Also happy to explore a trade +/- $ depending on condition, etc.

thanks, Greg
Oakland CA

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis date indicators

[Greg J]

The serial number would give you a definitive answer.  Or if you’re 
concerned about revealing the entire number, just the orientation around 
the bb and general letter/number sequence. 

On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 2:45:56 PM UTC-8 dylantho...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi everyone - 
>
> currently speaking with a seller of an atlantis 2 - dated 2011. This has 
> the cream accent panel on the seat tube. My old atlantis had a 2 but no 
> cream accent panel. Just to clarify, the 2 on the seat tubes does mean both 
> are the 'Atlantis 2'? Given it's 2011 - would this be Toyo? It has the more 
> ornate lugs...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus ride shaming

[Greg Lamont]

As a fellow Gus rider, I've had this experience many times on my local 
trails. Usually folks are very encouraging and supportive with comments 
like, "I can't believe you're riding these trails on that bike," or 
something along those lines. "Cruiser" is used a lot too. I guess those 
comments could be interpreted as pejorative, but I tend to just assume the 
bike is so outside of their normal experience that they automatically 
assume I'm new to riding a bike or riding trails. My favorite personal 
experience with this sort of thing was riding to the top of a highly 
regarded trail, which is only accessible via ~3,500 feet of single track 
climbing over ~12 miles. Gus was all dressed up with racks, a Wald basket 
in front, and a basket bag. Just before the downhill section began there 
were some full suspension riders taking a break and wearing full face 
helmets and head-to-toe body armor. They jokingly asked if I was Uber Eats 
bringing them food. It was all good natured fun, and they certainly made 
their way down the trail in a very different way than I did! I like to 
think we all had fun, and I'm sure glad I had a basket full of snacks to 
fuel me up and keep me out there all day. 
On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 7:06:43 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Richard,
>
> I thank-you for your best wishes for me to love my 52cm Clem as much as 
> you. At this point in time, it looks and feels very promising despite that 
> I have no even ridden it yet. I will tell you this much. When I picked up 
> my 52cm Clem and moved it after assembling it yesterday, I could not 
> believe how light it is compared to my 59cm Clem. My 59cm Clem feels like a 
> damn tank. I could not believe the comparison. I will not miss the weight 
> at all. 
>
> So silly of those riders asking you if you were on your way to have a 
> picnic. I have not had any silly remarks yet being out and about, less even 
> given recognition of my bike being a Rivendell. 
>
> I post pictures later in the coming days ahead.
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
>
> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 6:12:52 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Kim, I hope you love that 52 Clem as I do mine. I once rode my Clem on the 
> very same trail that I rode yesterday, complete with front rack, basket & 
> basket bag. Riders passing me asked if I was going to have a picnic.:)
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 11, 2023, at 12:36 AM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> That is quite an experience you had interacting with those traditional 
> mountain bikers thinking that your bike was a cruiser. It proves that not 
> everyone has heard of Rivendell Bicycle Works. Life happens.
>
> I am very happy for you that you are in love with your new modified 
> cockpit of your Gus. It looks great with all the assorted colors.
>
> I sat in my new cockpit of my blue 52cm Clem earlier today for the first 
> time after assembling it. Believe me it was quite a change compared to my 
> 59cm Clem. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 6:17:49 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Not really shamed but while having a really good ride at one of my 
> favorite trails I passed a couple of riders on their traditional mountain 
> bikes. They caught up to me in the parking lot when my bike was already 
> loaded into the car. They asked " was that you that passed us on a cruiser 
> bike?" And, "what kind of bike was that, a Breezer? I answered it was a 
> Rivendell. I do not think they had heard of that name. It was all good fun 
> and I took it as a compliment. I am in love with my new cockpit on this 
> bike.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/VMbmV6jYNpQvtkNKA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compliments

[Greg J]

It's actually a big downside for me.  As someone who is generally 
uncomfortable with compliments, I find myself choosing not to ride my Riv 
as much because of the attention it gets.  My other, 
equally-attention-worthy bikes (vintage Ritchey, Eisentraut, Gordon) never 
elicit the level of attention that the Riv does.



On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:55:11 AM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Indeed. Rode along with the SLO bike club one day on my Roadeo (white with 
> blue head tube) with my Sunday riding buddy. A few folks were asking about 
> it, one rider even took some photos. Other comments from strangers have 
> been, "its vintage, how old is it?" or "you have a triple chainring, 
> haven't seen that in a long time." 
>
> Its nothing special, but it does get attention fur sure. 
>
> Mike SLO CA 
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:36:06 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Thanks rich...can't bring myself to sell them yet even though I haven't 
>> been riding them as much
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 10:27:02 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Ryan, nice bikes. Very nice!!!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:04:36 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 I always admired that bike, jock 

 these 2 always get compliments[image: 20230728_130429.jpg]
 On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 8:30:09 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:

> Y'all, I'm a GA southerner recently displaced in NorCAL and I get 
> tagged for comments damn near every time out it seems. The locals are 
> pretty much dialed in, even folks you'd never guess be interested. 
>
> I'm guessing the color or the mudguards is the attraction...but the 
> comments aren't so unusual as the recognition as Rivendell. Many say 
> 'ooo, 
> nice Riv." That definitely never happened before. 
>
> Jock
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-16 at 6.17.45 AM.png]
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 5:47 AM Nick A.  wrote:
>
>> I've been lucky enough here in the D.C. area to receive a number of 
>> compliments for my Atlantis while out and about. Notably, many of the 
>> complimenters are gentleman older than I that always wanted a Riv but 
>> for 
>> whatever reason never pulled the trigger. Or, have never seen them in 
>> real 
>> life. They ask if it was worth it, and I say "yes" without hesitation. 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 6:07:08 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> My orange Rambouillet draws unsolicited compliments often. When 
>>> riding The Five Boro Ride in NYC a few years ago my wife was impressed 
>>> by 
>>> the number of strangers who pulled alongside, took a long look at my 
>>> bike 
>>> and either gave silent thumbs up or gave compliment to it. She noticed 
>>> the 
>>> relative anonymity of all the CFRP bikes and how their riders looked 
>>> dejected when positive comments on my bike came. Near the Verrazano 
>>> Narrows 
>>> Bridge she said "It's like we've been riding with 30,000 of your 
>>> friends."
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 3:01:31 PM UTC-5 aeroperf wrote:
>>>
 So one thing I’ve noticed - I mean REALLY noticed - about our 
 Rivendell bikes is that they get compliments.

 I ride the Silver Comet near Atlanta.  
 https://groups.google.com/g/bicycletouring/c/cFpcvUWqzkA
 For 15 years I rode a Diamondback Approach, a decent hybrid bike 
 (as they called those back in the ’90s).  I never heard a word from 
 fellow 
 riders.
 Then in 2015 I got a Sam Hillborne.  Bog standard, as the Brits say 
 - Sage Blue, cork grips.  I added some fenders and started seriously 
 hitting the trail for exercise.

 Suddenly folks are pulling up next to me (or going past), and 
 saying “Nice bike!”  Now I’m 74 and banging along at about 11 mph, so 
 it’s 
 not tough to pull up next to me.  But this happens 2 - 3 times a year. 
  It 
 surprises me.

 A couple of nice ladies went on about the friction shifters and “a 
 hard leather seat.  He’s hard core!”, before riding off on their 
 carbon 
 Cannondales.  A nice gentleman commented at length on the cork grips.  
 Maybe he was a fly fisherman?

 It happened again yesterday when I stopped for water.  Two guys 
 also stopped and were very complimentary about the Sam.  One asked to 
 ride 
 it (sure!) and came back grinning (“If I didn’t already have too many 
 bikes…”)
 It surprised my wife, too.  I built her up a Platypus last winter, 
 and on her second ride she got a “Nice bike!” from someone.  She came 
 home 
 with smiles.

 Does this happen to you when you ride your Riven

Re: [RBW] WTB: Atlantis MIT 59cm or 62cm Frameset

[Greg Janess]

Randy,
I have a 59cm 2022 Atlantis that I've been thinking about parting with. We 
should talk.
Greg in CA

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 8:06:33 AM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> Thank you! I have not used eBay and forget to check the site when 
> searching. 
> Randy in WI
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 9:44:31 AM UTC-6 dylantho...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Randy, 
>>
>> here's a 62: 
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/325884390348?hash=item4be0392bcc:g:Q2oAAOSwCL5lUTF6&amdata=enc%3AAQAI4H69YbSU4wdcBp8KdxyP%2BwmhbUXBxhVRtjp%2Bf0oZhmcK3Mnwdg4Vm%2FH6a0IHACApzgCBMcFgllJ0aDC8bXlgZGU7cK4pxRQaI1Gvwp43cWvE3eH2Rca4T%2BhXz%2BHsufFfGgnAujv1dA9WYB88iVQoZaZbqbS4GyrFWm%2BmfAiMUQms1pRuhoCguqvG9JSWboQgG%2FhYVpJN%2BzUx8ZBOcUlG1qL10xFVx8cUKJWq7aANfTKn9nN5IFr7REkEnO2Z9UGvba7prEhyJccs0UvDvxstj6uYukb9h3mqK0Kvz47t90yj%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7rm0LH8Yg
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 5:43:48 PM UTC-8 larson@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bump.
>>> Giving this another try.
>>> Randy in WI
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 9:40:06 AM UTC-5 larson@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was going to mention the same thing!
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 8:50:36 AM UTC-5 Brendan Willard in SF 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The rear derailleur on that eBay Lantis is not long for this world! 
>>>>>  Yikes!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 11, 2023 at 5:47:24 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ebay.com <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307>
>>>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307> 
>>>>>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/225664427307>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 8, 2023, at 3:52 PM, larson@gmail.com <
>>>>>> larson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking far an Atlantis to set up for dirt road exploring and 
>>>>>> touring. I have an Appaloosa, but looking for bigger tire clearance.
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Randy in WI
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Greg J]

On the topic of gearing, I recently went from a wide range double to a 
triple and find it to be an improvement in one important way.  On the 
double I had the total range I needed (46-30 front, 12-30 or so, generally 
enough for most east bay hills).  But I found that I was cross-chaining on 
the gears that I find myself in most often (those gears were mostly in the 
big-big range or small-small range).  I converted to a triple with a 40 
chaining up front (48-40-28), and my favorite cruising gears are now in the 
middle of the sprocket (I’m guessing 16-20 range) on the 40t chainring. 

All this to say, next time you’re on the hilly type of ride that you want 
this new bike for (on your current bike), think about what gears you’re in 
and how you might want to change them.  Do you want a lower low end? 
 Higher high?  And what is the middle gear range that you find yourself 
riding most of the time?  That could help make your decision on a triple 
(which, as you know, is a little heavier and a little more complicated due 
to having to shift across 3 rather than 2 chainrings, both in the mechansm 
and in your riding habit).

Greg

On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 8:29:37 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> And it was a beginner ride with a avg 12 mile posted pace. I almost told 
> him i hoped I hadn't held him back from making a personal best time on that 
> ride!
>
> My other bikes are set up perfect for what I do, so no stripping! Although 
> I might have to consider that myself to bring in money for my bike habit.
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 7:45:47 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 9:25:01 AM UTC-6 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> You always need a Hilly Bike... Do it!
>>
>> A list full of enablers :-)
>>  
>>
>> I had an injury (shoulder) last year and had what I would call total 
>> fitness depletion so I have been building back up from what feels like 
>> zero. 
>>
>> I'm very sympathetic to that.  I've had a bunch of weird stuff happen 
>> over the last few years, including a drug that started killing my red blood 
>> cells, so I have felt like I've had to restart the engine a few times. That 
>> might be one reason why my bikes are all set up the same way ... trying to 
>> stick with what works in terms of positioning, while I get the other things 
>> going.
>>  
>>
>>  So while I figure that out I'm open to seeing what a lighter built up 
>> bike can do. 
>>
>> Far be it for me not to be the enabler of buying another Riv, but have 
>> you considered stripping down one of your existing bikes and trying some 
>> nice, light tires? In my experience, tires make by far and away the biggest 
>> difference to how a bike feels, and if you've dialed in a good riding 
>> position, you could start there (and maybe a wider range set of gears in 
>> back). Removing a rear rack can also remove some stiffness from the rear of 
>> the bike, but I don't know how many people would feel that difference, 
>> especially on a bike that's already fairly stout and on cushy tires.
>>
>> with exception to the guy who led the first beginner ride I went on, 
>> looked at my bike and stated, "I hope I can ride slow enough..." 
>>
>>
>> Hoo boy, just the kind of person you want leading a group ride...  one of 
>> the reasons I stopped going on group rides.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] A Homer Hill build....

[Greg J]

Forgive me for bike-splaining here, but it seems like you're narrowing it 
down, so here's some more for your consideration.

Given where you ride, it makes sense to start with a triple, since that 
will cover all your bases (steep uphills, general riding, and fast 
downhills).

   1. What type of triple?  There are different bolt circle diameter (bcd) 
   standards for cranksets, and that dictates the sizes of the chainrings. 
The "Riv standard" is 110/74 (110 for middle and large; 74 for small). 
The smallest chainring for a 74bcd is 24T, and the smallest chainring for 
   110 bcd is 34T.  The 110/74 is probably the "Riv standard."  (There's also 
   94/58, which can give you smaller middle and small chainrings, but these 
   cranksets are harder to come by.)
   2. What size chainrings?  This depends on what you feel you're missing 
   currently, between the front chainrings and rear cassette.  If you're using 
   a 24T, do you use the largest rear cassette?  Do you want an even "easier" 
   gear?  In the 34T, do you use generally the middle range of your cassette? 
or are you biased towards the larger or smaller half?  For the large 
   chainring, unless you want to go faster than your coasting speed downhill, 
   you likely won't need anything any larger than 46T.   Typically, the 
   standard combos comprise of 46-48T large, 34-38T mid, and 24-28 small.
   3. What cassette?  This should be decided in combination with #2 above. 
The smallest cog is typically 11-13T.  The largest is all over the place, 
   but with "standard" long cage rear derailleurs, imo a good range is between 
   28 and 36T.
   4. Index or friction shifting?  I would not rule out friction shifting 
   for the front, as indexing front shifters can be finicky.  The rear is 
   entirely your preference.  
   5. A not-so-radical alternative.  Many people who don't need to go fast 
   downhill will skip the large chainring of a triple and just use the inner 
   and middle.  For example, if you're happy with your 34 or 36T middle 
   chainring and the smallest cassette cog of 11T, then you'll save some 
   weight and benefit from less complexity by leaving out the large chainring. 


Good luck!
On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 7:24:42 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> This is gearing math I can understand... there is a Papa bear, and Mama 
> bear, and a Baby bear... and something that will be just right for everyone!
>
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:55:19 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> IMO redundant gears are more of a conceptual or theoretical concern than 
>> a real issue. If you’re setting up a triple, you really end up with:
>>
>> - a middle ring for the majority of your riding 
>> - a small ring for big hills, use it with the biggest cogs in back
>> - a big ring for downhills or otherwise going fast. Use it with your 
>> medium and small cogs and back. 
>>
>> Yes, your small/small and big/big combos will give you those redundant 
>> gears, but who cares? You don’t need to use them anyway. 
>>
>> Eric 
>> Who lives the 1x life in flat central Ohio 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 27, 2023, Sarah Carlson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for bringing up the redundant gears... in my brain I'm telling 
>>> myself maybe it's overkill... but is it really such a terrible thing?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 5:27:48 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 You bring up a good point Ted about so-called redundant gears, which is 
 something many cyclists try to eliminate as much as possible to their own 
 practical detriment. It's better to approach planning a drivetrain by 
 identifying how low you want your low gear to be, how high you want your 
 high gear to be, and then finding the most user-friendly combination to 
 get 
 there. A big issue with wide-range doubles is that you'll find that you 
 need to drop into the small ring for every hill, whereas if you have a 
 triple, you can generally stay in the middle ring most of the time and 
 save 
 a lot of front shifts, even though you have more rings up there. 

 For me, I find I don't need anything above about 95 gear inches - above 
 that and I'm going to coast, maybe tuck in and get aero. Maybe 100 tops. 
 On 
 the low end, if it's used off-road or to carry loads I'll want something 
 in 
 the 18-20 gear inch range, but if it's a roadish bike, 24-25 inches is 
 good. So what I tend to do is run a double but size the rings such that I 
 truncate the big gears I'll almost never use, so that I can run a big ring 
 on the double that I can stay in on gentle climbs. 40/28 to 11-34 is a 
 great combo, for instance. Even 38/26 to 11-28 to get some smaller steps 
 on 
 the back, and 38-11 is a big enough top gear for most situations 

 On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote

[RBW] Re: A Homer Hill build....

[Greg J]

@Sarah - maybe the easiest thing is to go on a ride with some local list 
members who can give you some ideas while you're actually riding on these 
roads.  

For example, have you ridden a 24T granny on the road---and if so, with 
what rear cog?  A 24 is really very low for the road (but not for dirt), 
and a 24T - 32 in the back may be too low to be useful.  A 26 or even a 28 
may be a better granny depending on your cassette range.  But as mentioned 
already, only you know what works for you.

Greg

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 6:13:55 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Bike nerd input is heartily welcomed. Gearing has been a challenge for me 
> to understand but from spending hours reading and trying things out I'm 
> starting to understand... thanks to other bike nerds!
>
> The outcome is I will likely be giving a triple a try. The 34 is my 
> favorite chain ring to live in, but I long for the higher and lower gearing 
> when I don't have them. And somehow my brain gets the function of the 
> triple more than trying to understand all the combinations possible with 
> the cassette, and trying to comprehend "gearing math."
>
> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 1:45:07 PM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, November 26, 2023 at 12:34:51 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>> I would echo that triples are pretty nice - not only do you get more 
>> range, but the 10-tooth jumps in the front are a lot less 'disruptive' if 
>> you know what I mean. I find the smaller chainring jump means that when I 
>> hit the base of a hill I can often just drop a chainring and leave the rear 
>> alone, and it is a natural gear reduction .. whereas on the wide-low 
>> double, you would be spinning like crazy if you tried the same thing
>>
>>
>> Excellent point, and one that launches me into bike nerd mode... 
>> apologies in advance if this is too much.
>>
>> The "standard" chainring gap became 16 teeth when "compact double" 50x34 
>> combos became all the rage. That's a 39% jump, the way I measure it 
>> (Ln(50/34)), or about 2.5 times the 15.4% jump from 18 to 21 in back. Now, 
>> if you keep that 16 tooth gap but go down to 40x24, that's a ginormous 51% 
>> jump, which is 3.3x the 18-21 jump. I have a 42x26 on my Waterford ST-22, 
>> and it's definitely jarring to drop to the small ring when you hit a hill, 
>> requiring a bit of advance planning to shift a cog harder in the rear, 
>> first. I spent plenty of time riding half-step gearing, so I'm facile with 
>> double-shifting, but after a couple hundred kms I'm too tired for that. For 
>> my Breadwinner G-Road I went with 44x32, which is a gentle 32% jump. It 
>> means there's more overlap in the gearing, or to put it another way, I'm 
>> not maximizing the total range of the system, but I very much prefer to 
>> make that trade-off. At 41%, the 14-tooth gap on the Silver 42x28's on my 
>> Sams is pretty much the outer limit for me. The Wide-Low (38x24) is a 46% 
>> jump which is pretty high.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Greg J]

Bill, You have an eclectic and wide ranging taste in bikes, and I am often 
surprised by your choices.  So I can’t wait to see where this one fits in 
your spectrum of rides. 

Greg

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 6:45:33 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my Cantilever 
> Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I paid them a 
> visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager to see it 
> painted, and built up.  
>
> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, and a 
> few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant visit all 
> around.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  Rene 
>> Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks I'll 
>> probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  
>>
>> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  I 
>> don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>>
>> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super 
>> light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that they 
>> can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with 
>> those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to 
>> execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>>
>> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is 
>> indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes.  
>> I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he is charging what 
>> he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the price I've paid.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with it.  
>>> The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well worth the 
>>> cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   I'd vote 
>>> for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks best.
>>>
>>> 4 questions
>>> What size tire will you use??
>>> Sounds like you plan on using fenders.   What width are you planning on??
>>> What brakes do you plan on using??
>>> What is the lead time??   I thought the last Blaugh talked about closing 
>>> the custom order book for a time and then starting again something like 1 
>>> year later
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a 
>>>> Rivendell Custom
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's a Roadeo.  It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo 
>>>> graphics, and is not a custom.  I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm 
>>>> Roadeo in my cart and paid for it.  Over email with Mark A, I specified a 
>>>> bunch of details.  They included:
>>>>
>>>> -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options)
>>>> -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are no-cost 
>>>> options)
>>>> -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be an 
>>>> upcharge)
>>>> -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown.  Holds the fork blades 
>>>> a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement.  Will not change the A-C 
>>>> fork length
>>>> -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear 
>>>> housing stop.  I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze on like is 
>>>> pictured on one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he said OK.  I 
>>>> don't know what I'll pay for that
>>>> -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low and 
>>>> off-center from 6 o'clock.  Legolas slotted cable guides are at 12 o'clock 
>>>> for two cross-racing reasons.  I asked for mine off center up top, biased 
>>>> to the non-drive side
>>>> -fender attach points (no cost option)
>>>>
>>>> BL in EC  
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7

Re: [RBW] 1st world commuting dilemma

[Greg J]

Another suggestion for your consideration is to cover up the downtube 
"Atlantis" logo with color-matching tape. Of course, you may not wish to, 
but I think that would deter at least some thieves - they can't do 
real-time research by looking up what an Atlantis is worth.  I used to do 
this back in the day with my Ritchey MTB.

Greg  

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:23:27 PM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> That Ogre is ready to go, nice! I wouldn't consider commuting on the Hunq 
> either but I do ride it like anything else. 
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:10:16 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_3203.jpeg]I get more compliments on my Ogre than my Riv’s as 
>> well! I’ve got one like your Hunq but in green. I’d never take that 
>> commuting. Not so much for it getting stolen but folks not being gentle 
>> when they lock up their bikes. And honestly, getting it stolen. 
>> They salt the roads here as well. I’d never take my Riv’s after a storm. 
>>
>> I recently bought a fairly nice Trek FX for my daughter. Low-mid level 
>> Shimano components. Everything works well. Has fender and rack mounts. All 
>> for $50! It’s a nice riding bike. And probably something I’d consider if I 
>> needed a cheap, nice-riding commuter. Especially for the salty winter 
>> months. 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:09:56 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>>  Ginz - Thanks for the reply. I feel like riding it and using it for 
>>> its intended purpose is probably the right answer. I just feel like it may 
>>> be a bit of a target. IDK, it’s mostly us nerds that think Rivss are cool 
>>> and not beach cruisers anyway, right… Forgive me if I should know; do you 
>>> commute on a Rivendell Ginz? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hoch - My commute is short as well, and by design. The last time I moved 
>>> and got a new job I made sure that my work was in the same zip code as my 
>>> residence. I see your point about riding the Ogre, but again, it’s not a 
>>> cheap bike to replace either. Also, my job is too all-consuming to worry 
>>> about anything else while at work; which can good and bad at times. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Cody - Thanks for adding some real-world experience commuting with that 
>>> killer Hillborne. You’re right, people seem to know Surly better (at least 
>>> here in the Midwest) I probably get more compliments on the Ogre and my 
>>> daughter’s Crosscheck than I do my Rivs. Thanks for adding the pic of your 
>>> bikes…notes the saddle lock…is that wrapped in an old tube? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill - Well put. That’s how I’m viewing it. Again, I put more miles on 
>>> the drop bar Atlantis but I ride my commuter WAY more often. Bill, do you 
>>> have the luxury of taking your daily driver inside or do you park out in 
>>> the wild? I’d love to see a pic too if you've got time. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Josiah - Love that you ride those bikes around and lock ‘em up outside. 
>>> I do figure that most people don’t think the Atlantis is cool enough to 
>>> steal, not compared to other bikes around. Indy used to get snow regularly, 
>>> all winter long, but now we get maybe 1 or 2 good snows and the rest is 
>>> just slop. If it’s too nasty I’ll just drive. I don’t have time in the 
>>> mornings to show up covered in road sludge. 
>>>
>>>
>>> B - I agree
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick - Told ya. First world problem indeed. I work in a hospital in 
>>> critical care and there just really isn’t anywhere to put it. I do park out 
>>> of the way as much as possible but can't take it in. I love that Matthews 
>>> and your utilitarian approach to John’s strap-rigged, awkward, package 
>>> haul’n 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 12:58:48 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used to do multi-mode commuting before I retired about 18 years ago - 
>>>> ride the bike to the station, take train to the city, walk 4-5 blocks to 
>>>> the office.  Never worried much about theft out here in the 'burbs while 
>>>> working downtown because it was an old early 70's Fuji that I had 
>>>> re-geared 
>>>> and converted for commuting.  It was the ideal bike for that - rode well, 
>>>> handled well, and was by no means an eye-catcher.
>>>>
>>>> BUT, I'd be way more concerned about salt damage during the Winter 
>>>> months (used to live in the Indy area myself and, yes, they use it on the 
>>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Ultegra 9spd long cage range

[Greg J]

I too have used it with a 11-32 and it worked fine. 

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 4:16:04 PM UTC-8 Andy Beichler wrote:

> I am running an 11-32 cassette with a long cage and it indexes fine.
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:47:48 PM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have one with an 11-30 cassette and it works well.
>>
>> Cody, Chicago
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 5:42 PM dylan green  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jeremy - I was definitely hoping an 11-32 would be OK.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 3:35 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>>
 Generally, with Shimano road derailleurs the short and long cage 
 versions usually had about the same max cog specification, around 27 or 
 28t. The difference was that the longer cage one had enough capacity that 
 it could handle a triple in front. 

 The general consensus around here is that Shimano derailleur 
 capacity/max cog specifications are usually a little bit on the 
 conservative side, and many have successfully used them with larger rear 
 cogs than those for which they were specified. If it were mine, I'd be 
 tempted to see if it could shift something like an 11-32 cassette. 

 -Jeremy Till
 Sacramento, CA


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 wrote:

> I have a 6500 series Ultegra RD with a long cage. Anyone know the 
> range of cassette I should be able to work with? I believe the short cage 
> can take 28, but I can't find the long cage max anywhere...any help is 
> appreciated!

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[RBW] ISO 51 cm Homer or Sam

[Greg Sonstein]

ISO 51 cm Homer or Sam. Pref unused or no marks. 

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[RBW] Re: ISO: 53 Atlantis

[Greg J]

I am seriously thinking about selling my 53cm All Rounder (Waterford 
built), which is basically the precursor to the Atlantis.  Let me know if 
you’re interested.  And where you’re located. 

Greg

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 7:00:01 PM UTC-8 Gideon Tsang wrote:

> Holler if you've got or know one. Xie xie

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[RBW] Re: RoadeoRosa teaser

[Greg J]

Can't wait!

2 new frames in the same week, Bill?

Greg in Oakland

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 7:55:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Riv HQ closes at 3PM.  Rick from D&D dropped it off on his way home at 
> like 3:15 yesterday, after they closed up.  Mark put it in his work stand 
> and emailed me at 3:30 on his out.  There were no peek opportunities.  Riv 
> HQ opens at 9AM PST this morning.  I've got a work meeting at 8, which I'm 
> taking from home. When that meeting is over I'm off to pick it up.  My 
> headset crown race setter is trash, so I'm going to have James or Antonio 
> set my crown race and press in my headset cups.  That way we can take a 
> couple of New Frame Day photos in front of the garage door, as is 
> tradition.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:41:27 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you snuck over for even the littlest peek? I wouldn't be able to 
>> stop myself!
>>
>> Am very much anticipating this pink bike reveal!
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 7:50:24 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Mark tells me my frame is sitting in his stand right now...
>>>
>>> I'm going to pick it up Thursday morning, and I have to pick my 
>>> headbadge.  The Roadeo head badge comes in Red or in Blue.  The Roadeo page 
>>> on the website shows them both.  I'm definitely going blue.  There are a 
>>> few touches of blue that will show up elsewhere on the build, so that will 
>>> tie in.  
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure I have absolutely every piece of the build so it may be 
>>> New Bike Day less than 24 hours from now.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love it already. It’s the perfect pink. And we only have to wait 
>>>> until next week to see it!
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rick at D&D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to 
>>>>> Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my 
>>>>> color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>>>
>>>>> It's getting real
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] RoadeoRosa teaser

[Greg J]

Impressive.  It's taken me over 2 years to build up my Norther-L'avecaise, 
and I'm still not finished!

Greg / OAK

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 12:21:28 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The Roadeo may be done tonight.  I don't get the Falconer until Saturday.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 12:01:49 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> So which gets built first? Tough choice ahead!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> Two completely separate 6-month long projects each stretched out to 
>>> 2-year projects independently and for different reasons.  Each of those two 
>>> unrelated projects reach "New Frame Day" within hours of each other.  
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:42:08 AM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can't wait!
>>>>
>>>> 2 new frames in the same week, Bill?
>>>>
>>>> Greg in Oakland
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 7:55:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Riv HQ closes at 3PM.  Rick from D&D dropped it off on his way home at 
>>>>> like 3:15 yesterday, after they closed up.  Mark put it in his work stand 
>>>>> and emailed me at 3:30 on his out.  There were no peek opportunities.  
>>>>> Riv 
>>>>> HQ opens at 9AM PST this morning.  I've got a work meeting at 8, which 
>>>>> I'm 
>>>>> taking from home. When that meeting is over I'm off to pick it up.  My 
>>>>> headset crown race setter is trash, so I'm going to have James or Antonio 
>>>>> set my crown race and press in my headset cups.  That way we can take a 
>>>>> couple of New Frame Day photos in front of the garage door, as is 
>>>>> tradition.  
>>>>>
>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:41:27 AM UTC-8 
>>>>> sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you snuck over for even the littlest peek? I wouldn't be able to 
>>>>>> stop myself!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am very much anticipating this pink bike reveal!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 7:50:24 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark tells me my frame is sitting in his stand right now...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm going to pick it up Thursday morning, and I have to pick my 
>>>>>>> headbadge.  The Roadeo head badge comes in Red or in Blue.  The Roadeo 
>>>>>>> page 
>>>>>>> on the website shows them both.  I'm definitely going blue.  There are 
>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>> few touches of blue that will show up elsewhere on the build, so that 
>>>>>>> will 
>>>>>>> tie in.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure I have absolutely every piece of the build so it may 
>>>>>>> be New Bike Day less than 24 hours from now.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I love it already. It’s the perfect pink. And we only have to wait 
>>>>>>>> until next week to see it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 5:22:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rick at D&D tells me he'll be delivering my Roadeo frame set to 
>>>>>>>>> Rivendell HQ next week sometime.  He gave me a sneak peek at my 
>>>>>>>>> color-matched Rene Herse/Honjo fenders.  Here they are:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53519732639/in/album-72177720313109003/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's getting real
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Old vs New shifter cable stop standards

[Greg J]

Good work, Drew.  The Simplex-Mavic retrofriction shifters use the small 
diameter cable ends, which are the Campy- compatible cables.  But your 
solution is better!  No more stocking up on Campy cables!

Greg/Oakland

On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 3:22:27 PM UTC-8 Drew Saunders wrote:

> I vaguely remember someone mentioning that some new shifter cables had 
> ends that were too large for some older shift levers. I forgot what the 
> consensus was, and didn't think too much, until I tried installing my left 
> only Mavic 821 downtube shifter to replace a silver bar-end for the front 
> (I'll still use the Silver for the rear), and discovered:
> [image: IMG_6748.jpg]
> Oops! I suppose I could buy a new cable and hope that one end has a 
> smaller diameter stop, or hunt for old shifter compatible cables, or figure 
> out what size drill bit would bore it out to work. Hint, it's 11/64":
> [image: IMG_6750.jpg]
> The last photo isn't too great, but the shift lever now works with all 
> cables, and only the tiniest bit of metal was removed. Of course, unless 
> the cable breaks, I may never remove it, so I'm set for a very long time.
> [image: IMG_6751.jpg]
> It does work pretty well, too. Since I can't do any rides this weekend 
> (work stuff), I'll test it out later and take it for a real ride.
>
> The reasoning? With my 26-42, 11-28 11-speed friction setup, I only use 
> the FD if I have a big hill to climb, so can go weeks without using it, and 
> my left leg swings out more than my right, so I have bumped the left 
> bar-end shifter with my knee a few times, so I decided to be a little 
> different and mix bar-end with downtube shifters. 
>
> 11/64" is 4.37mm, so I'm guessing the old standard was maybe 4mm or so, 
> and the new standard is 4.25mm? 
>
> Drew
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Front, Neo-Retro Back?

[Greg J]

None of your 7 considerations calls for switching your brakes.  If you're 
satisfied with the v-brakes you currently have, don't change them.  

To switch them out, depending on what you currently have, you may need new 
levers, new cables/housing, new cantis, front cable stop, lots of fiddling 
around to dial them in, and at the end of the day likely won't have any 
better-functioning brakes.  The only real benefit that *some* canti brakes 
could have over v-brakes is better modulation, but that depends on so 
much---the specific parts, set up, and your sensitivity to such things. 
 Don't forget that v-brakes were considered an improvement over cantis 
because they're easier to set up and are generally more powerful.

Of course, if you have the time/parts/money, go for it!  

Greg

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 4:09:17 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, based on the brake arrangement, I have a question.
>
> But first, some background: I’m making some changes/upgrades so my bike 
> will be better equipped for day rides, multi-day trips, and light touring.
>
> Here are some of the considerations:
>
>1. Bike is a Joe Appaloosa
>2. Wheels will be Atlas 700c with Panaracer Gravel Kings.
>3. My rides are almost all on asphalt or concrete with a few dirt 
>trails or fire roads.
>4. Bike currently has V-brakes.
>5. I am planning to add a rear rack with panniers, no front rack.
>6. I weigh about 165. 
>7. I’ll be carrying some gear but I won’t be overloading the bike.
>
>
> *Question: Should I switch to cantilevers, or keep the existing V-brakes? *
>

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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Greg J]

I've only ridden 3 Rivendells, all of them pre-2003 models, so I don't know 
what I'm missing on the newer models with the relaxed geo and long chain 
stays.  But I have yet to find any faults* with the Waterford A/R that I 
have, so I guess that would be the one for me!  26" wheels, triple crank, 
bar end shifters, and (currently) drop bars.

*Sometimes I wish it were lighter, but that would mean that it would be 
less versatile for touring, off-road, etc., so I'll take it as is.  

Greg

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B&M Ixon IQ Premium 
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>
> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
> dirt ratios.
>
> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
> vice.
>
> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What dual short/long pull brake levers are out there?

[Greg Murphy]

I don't know much about the lever length but I use Tektro Eclipses on my
bike. Can convert from short to long/long to short at ease.

-Greg

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 2:01 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love my Avid speed dials, and they're inexpensive.
> https://www.sram.com/en/sram/models/bl-sd-7-a1
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 5:42:43 PM UTC-5 esoter...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy all,
>>
>> I'm in need of a matching pair of brake levers that are interchangeable
>> between short pull and long pull. Because of a front rack non-compatibility
>> issue with my current canti brakes, I'll have to use a v-brake in front,
>> but I'd to keep the canti brake in the rear.
>>
>> I'm aware of the Shimano BLR780 which Riv sells, but ideally I'd like
>> something with a longer lever body. Does anyone know of any other levers,
>> by Shimano or any other brand, that has the criteria that I'm looking for?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ~Mark
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
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[RBW] Re: Roller-Cam brakes

[Greg J]

James, if the picture you attached is the actual bike you're looking at, 
those are the nice ones.  You should have no issues with those brakes. 
 They work great, they take normal brake shoes, and there are plenty enough 
of them for spare parts (although they're pretty well built).  Good luck!

Greg

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:54:22 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> Those can be great brakes.  You're fortunate that the posts are located on 
> the seat stays. Most often they are on the bottom of the chainstays and are 
> difficult to work on just because of lack of space.  There are two slightly 
> different versions of those sun tour brakes, with one generally being 
> considered superior.  I don't know enough to identify which yours is  but 
> there's info out there.  There are also U-brakes that look like giant 
> frame-mount center-pull caliper brakes, which use the same mounting 
> standard, but I don't know that they're an improvement at all.  They're 
> bulky and have limited clearance.  There are also super sought-after roller 
> cams made by WTB/Charlie Cunningham/DKG machine, but they'd be a couple 
> thousand dollars each  IF you could even find them.  The sun tours are a 
> licensed version of those, and are pretty neat for a runabout hobby bike.
>
> On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 10:39:26 AM UTC-7 James wrote:
>
>> This isn't a Rivendell related question, and for that I apologize, but 
>> ya'll are the most bike-savvy people I "know".  I see a lot of value in a 
>> cheap, knock-around, lock-up-anywhere bike, so I have my eyes on a local 
>> Schwinn High Sierra.  It has roller-cam brakes and I have know experience 
>> with those.  What is yawls experience with roller-cam breaks and due to the 
>> placement of the mounts on the frame, what other brakes may be compatible? 
>>  The mounts seem higher on the frame than cantilever mounts.  Would center 
>> or side-pull brakes work?  What other options do I have?  Thank you
>>
>> Picture: https://imgur.com/0IqjRl1
>>
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[RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Greg Simmons]

I love riding through those long winter shadows, and the way they blink 
past on a forest road ride. It's amazing how unique and recognizable the 
landscape of the eastern deciduous forest is! Even before I saw the mention 
of Midlothian, I wondered if the photo was from NC or VA. Nice shot!

Greg Simmons
Boone, NC

On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 7:32:52 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Takashi, I have enjoyed seeing your images of Japan for years. Thank you. 
> My wife and I enjoy watching the NHK program, "Cycling in Japan."   
> Here's an image of my brother-in-law on his Homer Hilsen in Albemarle 
> County, Virginia, near Charlottesville. I love the way the shadows are long 
> almost anytime of day in mid-winter.   
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.  
> [image: IMG_5222.jpeg]
>   
> On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 11:44:40 AM UTC-5 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Happy New Year!
>> (It's already New Year's Day here in the Far East)
>>
>> I enjoyed Eric's Fall Foliage Fotos thread very much, looking at 
>> beautiful photos of various places, so I thought I'd start a new thread 
>> where members can share winter ride photos.
>> Here's a photo from the last ride in 2022. 
>> We are having relatively little snowfall so far, and main roads are 
>> plowed and are mostly free of snow. No problem riding non-studded tires.
>>
>>
>> [image: DSC02704.jpg]
>>
>> Hoping that we all can enjoy many, many kilometers of riding bikes this 
>> year!
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Greg Simmons]

Eric, 

Very nicely done! Provides a great example of the vast continuum of choices 
available when you approach a build. I really need to make the leap to a 
generator hub; the lighting looks great also! This one especially spoke to 
me, as I found an MB/2 some years back that eventually also became a 
project (In 1988, it was MB/2, not MB-2, strangely enough). It's been my 
daily commuter for  six years come February. Where did those 6 years 
go? *Tempus fugit, vita brevis, ars longa,* all that. Not that it is 
anything special, but if you wanted to compare to your '85, here's an album 
link that I hope will work and not make a mess: 1988 Bridgestone MB/2 
<https://photos.app.goo.gl/MDAIyNhATgwuzGlR2>

Thanks for sharing, much enjoyed the video (and the earlier ones)!

Greg Simmons
Boone, NC

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:06:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>
> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I have 
> a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>
> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but for 
> the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame over to 
> Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the fork and seat 
> stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss to the 
> downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>
> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications of 
> patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer and wax. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>
> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque Phelan. 
> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x Nitto 
> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>
> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>
> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
> which I shaped and finished. 
>
> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>
> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an XTR 
> M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by Andre at 
> my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a Rat 
> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>
> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed them: 
> Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>
> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
> • Kasai 32H front hub
> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
> • Busch + Müller light mount
> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
> • Suntour Superbe levers
> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
> • MKS XC-III pedals
> • Suntour AR front derailer
> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
> • Brooks Conquest saddle
> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
> • Sim Works x Hoshi
> • M5 brass socket head screws
> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>
> Larger pictures here: 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_gXuRvwsKYVjG7GLMqFf2KGhPrYRNlp3/view?usp=sharing
>
> Thanks for lookin'! 
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[RBW] 57 Mermaid Gus

[Greg Sonstein]

anyone holdin' and want to trade? i have 56 Fillet Susie (the new ones are 
now lugged) in Gold or a 58 Toyo Atlantis as well. 

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[RBW] Re: Smooth Post Brake Pads

[Greg J]

Bill and Ted,  can you explain what you mean by the Dia Compe 986 deforming 
or squishing when overtightened?  These are my favorite cantis.  What 
should I be careful about over tightening, and what part is prone to 
deforming?

Thanks, 
Greg / Oakland

On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:18:38 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 9:11:20 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> ...Smooth post cantilevers, in my view, raise the ceiling for a good 
> mechanic.  I feel like the extra work required represents the mechanical 
> "envelope" to get things perfect.  On these forums (RBW, IBOB, 650B) I've 
> advised that the typical home-mechanic should probably not take on Rene 
> Herse Cantilevers, it's too heavy a lift.  The second reason is that smooth 
> post cantilevers give me more room to play with rim width.  In the hands of 
> the right mechanic, I think smooth post cantilevers are preferable. 
>
>
> Such a great, thoughtful response, Bill. I encourage everyone to read it 
> through, even though I've kept just a small part of it here.
>
> I had a laugh because Dia Compe 986 are exactly what I had in mind about 
> impossible to readjust brakes. 20 year old me had them on both a Marukin 
> Northstar and a Santana Elan. The Santana was especially challenging 
> because Santana placed the mounts way too close together. They might have 
> worked on a 5mm wide rim. The tandem was my wife's and my wedding gift to 
> each other, and around our 30th anniversary I had Waterford do a full 
> repaint and I replaced all the components with updated parts. Shimano CX-70 
> brakes were a revelation and for the first time I had fully confident 
> braking on the bike. Wished I had them on our honeymoon, camping in Vermont!
>
> I hadn't thought much about rim width in writing my initial post, probably 
> because I'd forgotten about the initial installation and choosing the right 
> bolt/spacer combo on the CX-50s. But I don't think my mind is changed about 
> the extent to which the Shimano CX system improves on smooth posts. On the 
> contrary, the fact that I didn't have to think about that part of the setup 
> when changing pads illustrates one of its advantages for me. Different 
> length bolts and spacers would be compatible with the adapter I have in 
> mind. Fortunately, having put 4 sets of CX brakes on bikes, I have a pretty 
> good supply of spacers and bolts :-). I don't think the weight gain, if 
> there is any, would be enough to change my mind.  
>
> One thing that the CX and Rene Herse brakes have in common, that makes 
> them such a pleasure (and so much easier) to work on, is the quality of the 
> hardware. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: Smooth Post Brake Pads

[Greg J]

Thanks, both, for the very clear explanations!  I will have to go see how 
badly mine have gotten --- but that said, my 2 bikes brake great with 986 
and 987 brakes with Kool-Stop salmon shoes.

Greg / Oakland

On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 11:53:33 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Dia Compe 986 and the Ritchey Logic variant of them would 
> bend/squish/deform four different ways in my ham-handed hands.  
>
> Facing the brake, the stack of parts was:
>
> 1. Allen Nut.  It takes a 6mm allen wrench.  It's threaded internally 
> M6x1.0mm and threads onto the eye bolt
> 2. flat steel washer
> 3. Aluminum concave spacer wraps around a convex surface on brake arm
> 4. Brake arm.  Presents a convex surface up front and a concave surface in 
> back
> 5. Aluminum convex spacer nestles into the concave backside of the brake 
> arm
> 6. Eye bolt that grabs the brake pad post.  Has 10mm flats built into it 
> so you can hold it in place with a 10mm wrench
>
> Because of 1 and 6, you'd use a 6mm allen key and a 10mm wrench, which 
> practically begs you to over tighten it.  Everything that takes a 6mm allen 
> normally ought to be good and tight.  On almost all other brakes, the 
> eyebolt has no flats, so you hold the brake pad steady with your fingers as 
> you tighten the bolt.  It's harder to overtighten something with that 
> technique.  
>
> When you over tighten a 986 (or Logic), the four ways to cause damage are:
>
> A. The "smooth post" pads weren't smooth.  They were serrated.  Those 
> serrations bite deep into part #5, making future rotation adjustments hard. 
> B. Part #5 itself would squish, ovalize, imprint itself into the height 
> adjustment slot
> C. Part #3 would squish, ovalize, imprint itself into the height 
> adjustment slot
> D. The post itself would bend
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Monday, March 11, 2024 at 10:46:15 AM UTC-7 Greg J wrote:
>
>> Bill and Ted,  can you explain what you mean by the Dia Compe 986 
>> deforming or squishing when overtightened?  These are my favorite cantis. 
>>  What should I be careful about over tightening, and what part is prone to 
>> deforming?
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Greg / Oakland
>>
>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 8:18:38 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 9:11:20 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> ...Smooth post cantilevers, in my view, raise the ceiling for a good 
>>> mechanic.  I feel like the extra work required represents the mechanical 
>>> "envelope" to get things perfect.  On these forums (RBW, IBOB, 650B) I've 
>>> advised that the typical home-mechanic should probably not take on Rene 
>>> Herse Cantilevers, it's too heavy a lift.  The second reason is that smooth 
>>> post cantilevers give me more room to play with rim width.  In the hands of 
>>> the right mechanic, I think smooth post cantilevers are preferable. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Such a great, thoughtful response, Bill. I encourage everyone to read it 
>>> through, even though I've kept just a small part of it here.
>>>
>>> I had a laugh because Dia Compe 986 are exactly what I had in mind about 
>>> impossible to readjust brakes. 20 year old me had them on both a Marukin 
>>> Northstar and a Santana Elan. The Santana was especially challenging 
>>> because Santana placed the mounts way too close together. They might have 
>>> worked on a 5mm wide rim. The tandem was my wife's and my wedding gift to 
>>> each other, and around our 30th anniversary I had Waterford do a full 
>>> repaint and I replaced all the components with updated parts. Shimano CX-70 
>>> brakes were a revelation and for the first time I had fully confident 
>>> braking on the bike. Wished I had them on our honeymoon, camping in Vermont!
>>>
>>> I hadn't thought much about rim width in writing my initial post, 
>>> probably because I'd forgotten about the initial installation and choosing 
>>> the right bolt/spacer combo on the CX-50s. But I don't think my mind is 
>>> changed about the extent to which the Shimano CX system improves on smooth 
>>> posts. On the contrary, the fact that I didn't have to think about that 
>>> part of the setup when changing pads illustrates one of its advantages for 
>>> me. Different length bolts and spacers would be compatible with the adapter 
>>> I have in mind. Fortunately, having put 4 sets of CX brakes on bikes, I 
>>> have a pretty good supply of spacers and bolts :-). I don't think the 
>>> weight gain, 

[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini 50cm

[Greg J]

price?

On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:15:47 PM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> How was the ride? Looks like it has lots of elevation. How did you like 
> the Roadini?
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 1:40:04 PM UTC-4 cramer@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Impulse buy,  built it up last year to ride the Triple Bypass.  Maybe 250 
>> miles on it. No dents, but a  small chip on the chainstay. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Soliciting opinions: help me pick the right Rivendell

[Greg Sonstein]

There is a lot of overlap in the Riv lineup. Most bikes can handle any 
road, paved or gravel, even the Roadini (though I would not buy it for off 
roading, it will take a 42mm tire which is plenty big for going on dirt). 
The Homers, Sams are more roadie than the Appaloosa, Atlantis and Platypus 
but can also easily go off road and take racks, fenders, and carry a decent 
load. The only difference between the Sams and Homers is really the brakes 
(v brakes/canti v. caliper/centerpull). Sams take a slightly larger tire, 
maybe 50mm over 48mm for the Homer. If you really want one bike to rule 
them all, I would get the Appaloosa or Atlantis, they are the same bike, 
take big tires (55mm), take heavy loads. Most people will not even notice 
the difference in the weight or stiffness. Also the longer chainstays make 
the ride more plush. Platy is just as useful and comfortable but the design 
is not for everyone. Clem is basically a cheaper Susie. Also the colors 
change every year so this years Apps will not be tbhe same as last year. 

   - February - Clems
   - March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model
   - April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model
   - May - Sam Hillbornes
   - June - Appaloosas
   - July - Platypus bikes and frames
   - August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info later
   - September - Roadini


On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 12:27:53 AM UTC-7 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi, Bud, 
>
> I'm sure this has been posted at some point in the past, but I stumbled 
> upon this the other day and thought it might be of interest both to you and 
> others on this thread.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx83uMhIgKA
>
> Otherwise, for what it's worth, I think the suggestions above are great.  
> Based on your intended use, I would agree with those who suggest the 
> Hilborne.  Don't have one, but had the good fortune to ride one for several 
> weeks -- thanks, again, Max! -- and loved it.  If I had to downsize from my 
> Homer and my Atlantis to a single bike that would suit the purposes they 
> serve for me — long road rides, commutes, on and off road, etc. -- it would 
> be my choice.
>
> Best,
> jason
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 4:32:53 AM UTC+2 Erik wrote:
>
>> Evening, 
>>
>> Based on the parameters and details you provided, I think that a 
>> Hillborne or Appaloosa would work well.  Or an Atlantis instead of the 
>> Appaloosa.  I have all three, all set up very differently, but each has 
>> gone through a lot of iterations.  The key for me would be what type of 
>> trails you are wanting to ride, your size, and trail riding style.  The 
>> Hillborne is a great bike, fun on the road and pretty nimble on the trail. 
>>  The Hillborne has a smaller tire width max and lighter tubes.  The 
>> Appaloosa or the Atlantis are longer and have stouter tubes.  They also 
>> take up to a 2.2 tire.  I've run both as primarily trail bikes and they 
>> handled pretty much anything I wanted to ride except for the most extreme 
>> trails in my local parks.  They work really well as trail bikes.  I've run 
>> them with 1x 11 (50 large cog) set ups, 3 x 9  with 11-34 cassettes, and 
>> now as 2x.  I live in northern California and do a lot of climbing.  The 
>> gearing has always been fantastic.  My Appaloosa was my primary commuting 
>> bike for about five years.
>>
>> Here's my Instagram if you want to get a look at some of the set ups that 
>> I've used over the years.  It's mostly bikes: 
>> https://www.instagram.com/lith.o.carp.us/
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> Erik
>>
>> On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 5:43:49 PM UTC-7 Bud Suttree wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> With all that said, of the current offerings, what would y’all recommend? 
>>
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: RBW Mug & Hat

[Greg Beachy]

Both are like new as I used them only once or twice. Time for them to find 
a home to someone who will use them. Price doesn't include shipping which I 
will provide after purchaser provides their zip code.

Mug $20
Hat $20
Purchase both $35

Best way to contact me is to text me at 502-974-7707.

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[RBW] Re: FS: RBW Mug & Hat

[Greg Beachy]

Mug and hat have been sold.

On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 1:09:16 PM UTC-4 Greg Beachy wrote:

> Both are like new as I used them only once or twice. Time for them to find 
> a home to someone who will use them. Price doesn't include shipping which I 
> will provide after purchaser provides their zip code.
>
> Mug $20
> Hat $20
> Purchase both $35
>
> Best way to contact me is to text me at 502-974-7707 <(502)%20974-7707>.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell (Roadini) Geometry

[Greg Kagay]

Anyone else notice this? Yes. I recently came to the same conclusion, the 
Roadini frame has more frame setback (see below) than the many 
(race-oriented) frames I have owned over the decades. I set up my Roadini 
last fall, partly with leftover components, including a 100mm Cinelli stem 
and #64 bars. With the initial setup I felt very stretched out. Thought a 
shorter stem and different bars would solve the issue. So early this year I 
replaced the Cinelli parts with a Nitto 70mm stem and Noodle bars, but 
still could not get comfortable on the Brooks B.17. Note, I have ridden a 
Brooks Pro on drop bar road bikes for over ten years. And I am comfortable 
on the B.17 mounted on my Brompton. But even with the new bars/stem I found 
I needed to consciously push myself back on the saddle to find comfort. The 
sweet spot was too far back relative to my pedals.


Just two weeks ago I replaced the OEM Roadini post with the Nitto S65 
Crystal Fellow. The latter has 6mm less setback, by my research. Now, with 
the Brooks pushed fully forward, the saddle is in the ballpark of my 
physique. I would say it has moved from the warning track (with the OEM 
post) to about second base. I think a zero setback seat post is what I need 
to be at home plate. 


I am 5’11” riding a 54cm Roadini. (By Rivendell’s recommendation I would be 
on a 57cm but it does acknowledge you can ride down a size.) Meanwhile, in 
my 40+ years riding road bikes I have gravitated to shorter top-tube 
solutions. Seems I have short feet (size 42), short femurs, or both. 
However, I now know that top tube length is not all there is to it, keep 
reading.


Grant’s Z Factor article (see Page 19 of Rivendell Reader issue #13 
<https://notfine.com/rivreader/RR13.pdf>) speaks to the matter, 
unfortunately without explicitly highlighting the following insight: I have 
concluded that the rider should first dial in the saddle setback (a 
function of frame setback, seat post setback, and saddle rail longitudinal 
range/position). Only then should the stem length/handlebar reach be 
addressed.


And to your point, in my experience as well, the frame setback on the 
Roadini seems to be quite generous.


--Greg

On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 5:43:50 AM UTC-5 Jay wrote:

> Cranks on my Riv are 172.5, 175 on the Fargo, but my road bike also has 
> 172.5 (5.5cm setback).
>
> I still have room on the rails of the Riv, just have to change my saddle 
> bag (to one without a quick release).  I’ll report back in a week or so!
>
> Jason
>
> On Apr 28, 2024, at 1:56 AM, Brenton Eastman  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yep. 170 sugino XD2 triple on both bikes. 
>
> On Apr 27, 2024, at 9:16 PM, Jim in Mpls  wrote:
>
> Is your crank length the same on both bikes?
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 10:01:24 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> On my Hillborne and Roadini I am running brooks B17 almost at the max fwd 
>> position. Not sure what to compare it to but both are super comfy. I also 
>> have 57cm (both bikes) but I'm 6'1"
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 7:23:08 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>>
>>> I've been enjoying my first Riv, a Roadini, since getting it in 
>>> February.  Just one thing I feel like I'm struggling with, saddle set back.
>>>
>>> It's a size 57, I'm 5'11 and my PHB meant a 57 or 54 would work.  It 
>>> came with the setback seat post and that put me really far behind the BB 
>>> compared to my other bikes, so I got a zero offset post and that helped 
>>> things, but I'm still running my Brooks C17 pushed 3/4 of the way forward 
>>> on the rails.  Funny thing is my Salsa Fargo, which has a 73 degree ST 
>>> angle, vs. 72 on the Roadini, running the same saddle, and less set back 
>>> (also on a zero offset post).  I can feel the difference when I'm pedaling; 
>>> on the Fargo, my pedal stroke feels really good.  On the Roadini it feels 
>>> like the pedals are out in front and I'm over-using posterior chain in an 
>>> unnatural pedal stroke.  I measure setback on both bikes and the Fargo is 
>>> coming out as saddle 5.5cm setback from BB, 7cm on the Roadini.
>>>
>>> Anyone else notice this?  I may try pushing the saddle all the way 
>>> forward on the rails, then maybe set post up a bit, but wanted to ask this 
>>> question first.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Greg J]

Complete 59cm Rambouillet for $1000 - it seems like an amazing deal!  No 
connection to seller.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-59cm-rambouillet-blue/7743799428.html





On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 6:18:39 PM UTC-7 Valerie Yates wrote:

>
> 51 Atlantis for $2k. Well-loved by owner who passed away. Being sold by 
> the surviving spouse. No connection to seller. 
>
> https://boulder.craigslist.org/bik/d/boulder-rivendell-atlantis-51cm/7742464449.html
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 1:43:03 PM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Nicely 52cm Clem for $1800 in Los Angeles 
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/d/north-hills-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7742374638.html
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/196896
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Rivendell Clem Smith Clementine - $2,150 (Sacramento) 
>>>
>>> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/sacramento-rivendell-clem-smith/7735990306.html
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>>>
 Awesome color  Saluki and a good price!  I believe this is or was 
 John's bike (rivendell employee). This would explain the very history 
 heavy 
 description.  

 On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 11:01:54 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:

> Saluki here: 
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-62cm-rivendell-saluki/7741642940.html
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Time for a new FS thread?
>>
>> I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall 
>> member here might be interested: 
>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734
>>
>> Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it has 
>> been repainted by D&D Cycles.
>>
>> [image: roadeo.jpeg]
>>
>> No connection to the seller.
>>
>> Max
>>
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[RBW] FS: 58 Toyo Atlantis frameset

[Greg Sonstein]

Please email me for details
If interested. Asking $1800.

GMS

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Toyo Atlantis frameset

[Greg Sonstein]

I have tried uploading pictures numerous times it doesn’t work for some 
reason. Bike is in LA and I received in trade last year from a group 
member. I can try separately emailing pics to whoever is interested. Thanks.

On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 7:35:42 AM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:

>
> With everyone on high alert with fraudulent ads lately, I’d highly suggest 
> posting details, location, and pictures. 
> On Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 7:50:49 AM UTC-6 gson...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Please email me for details
>> If interested. Asking $1800.
>>
>> GMS
>>
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[RBW] WTB: 54 homer or roadini

[Greg Sonstein]

I would really like to find a 54 mermaid roadini. I am
Also open to similarly sized homer, just not blue or gold. I’m selling my
57 roadini because it’s too big for me.


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[RBW] 58 Toyo Atlantis 2 frameset PRICE DROP

[Greg Sonstein]

$1500 shipped CONUS.
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[RBW] Re: 58 Gold Homer Frameset, $1300 shipped in CONUS

[Greg Sonstein]

Tektros, long reach from Riv. Southern Cal. I would defer to Riv's sizing 
guidelines on frame sizes (https://www.rivbike.com/products/homer). I can 
post more pics today. Will include BB, headset, seatpost (not a Nitto), and 
the brakes if you want them. 

On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 4:10:21 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Hi, interested. What is the saddle height in the picture? Do you have any 
> more pictures? And what brakes are you using currently? Last question: 
> where are you located? Thanks. 
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 4:00:41 PM UTC-6 gson...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I will disassemble if I find a buyer. No damage. Swapping parts onto a 
>> Sam. 
>>
>> You can see there is some dirt on the frame in the photo but rest assured 
>> I will clean it well before I send it off. 
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> G. Sonstein
>>
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[RBW] Re: 58 Gold Homer frameset

[Greg Sonstein]

Sorry, again, it is $1300. Thanks. 

On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 8:55:52 AM UTC-7 Greg Sonstein wrote:

> Frame is in LA. I will disassemble it and clean before shipping. Again, I 
> will leave on the headset, BB and throw in the brakes if you want them. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Greg J]

SPDs are ubiquitous, and you can find them for nearly free (for example, I 
have a couple of old but functional sets that I can send at cost, but I 
have no spare cleats).  If you like them generally, but find that they are 
lacking in some respect, then you can try the variations on the theme 
(eggbeaters, speedplay, road pedals, time, etc.), which all try to address 
some aspect of the clipless systems (float, platform size, weight, release 
mechanism, etc.).  Or if you decide that they're not worth the hype, then 
there you go.

Greg
Oakland CA

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:19:57 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I'm also Team Platform, and would recommend SPDs for a beginner into the 
> clipless pedal world. 
> I did ride Eggbeaters for several years, and made skateboard pedal decks 
> to turn them into platforms. It turned out I never ever rode without them, 
> so I just bought some platform pedals and donated or sold my eggbeaters. 
> One set of skatedecks is hanging above my tool bench as a "hey I did that," 
> but I'm not interested in riding clipless. If my riding changes to big 
> jumps offroad, I'd revisit SPDs. 
>
> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif 
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 10:05:09 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and fewer 
>> impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a 
>> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
>> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or 
>> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
>> options are not. 
>>
>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding 
>>> I do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish 
>>> road rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use 
>>> clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are 
>>> much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment 
>>> as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I 
>>> think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the 
>>> time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone 
>>> else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for 
>>> years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of 
>>> pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms 
>>> with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot 
>>> more.
>>>
>>> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend 
>>> Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few 
>>> years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like 
>>> them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for 
>>> their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs 
>>> work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.
>>>
>>> Josiah Anderson
>>> Missoula, MT
>>>
>>> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with 
>>>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have 
>>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and 
>>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>>>
>>>> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank 
>>>> Brothers eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some 
>>>> flat pedals on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without 
>>>> bindings to see if I really still want them. I started going down the 
>>>> no-binding path a while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I 
>>>> actually liked bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. 
>>>> If 
>>>> I was doing any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason 
>>>> even 
>>>> if I ditch the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on 
>>>> my "group ride" bike (my Riv Road). 
>>>>
>>

[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Brake Problem

[Greg J]

I have this issue with my bikes, but I just assumed that this was an 
inherent trade-off if I'm using any tire larger than 32 with caliper 
brakes.  Are there caliper brakes that open wider using the QR?  
Greg

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 9:36:19 AM UTC-7 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm familiar with the adjuster on the lever and with cable splitters, 
> since I have a coupled tandem (which I will be selling soon).  The cable 
> splitter won't work on the front brake since the housing runs from lever to 
> caliper.  I'm not familiar with the Shimano in line QR.  Looks interesting. 
>  Perhaps before I buy the next set of tires.
> Michael
>
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:32:19 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
>
>> Shimano make an inline cable adjuster with quick release 
>> https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/ultegra-r8000/SM-CB90.html
>>
>> Alternatively cable splitters would work, but they would not allow tool 
>> free wheel removal  
>> https://www.ticycles.com/components/da-vinci-cable-splitters
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>> On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 2:12:27 PM UTC-6 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> The brakes on my wife's Betty Foy are driving me nuts.  This is a stock 
>>> bike, in fact it was RBWs sales bike and it came with Bosco bars, Techtro 
>>> 559 side pull clippers and Shimano levers. There is no QR on the levers and 
>>> a minimal one on the calipers This is a very poor combination as I can only 
>>> get an inflated 38mm tire  off and on, while the frame can handle a 42mm 
>>> tire.  I wonder what GP was thinking when he made this choice.
>>>
>>> Has anyone found a work around to improve this situation?
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's talk about the All Rounder

[Greg J]

My recollection from one of the early Readers was that Grant felt that 
p-clamps worked just fine, and they offered more flexibility.  A big part 
of the Riv philosophy is that these frames can be used for a long time and 
are not encumbered by fashion.  As others have noted, all racks are 
different, and it would be a pain (and a lot more work) to braze-on 
attachment points, only to have them be useless because the rack doesn't 
fit or the style of racks change (e.g., shift from front panniers to 
baskets).  Now, maybe due to customer demand, I think Rivs have many 
braze-ons, so now he is going the opposite direction of having multiple 
sets of braze-ons still in an effort to make them flexible for different 
rack systems.  

Also, I think generally, Grant's aesthetic runs more towards the 
utilitarian-DIY-strap things on by wire and straps, rather than the perfect 
fender lines and perfectly-placed braze-ons for custom racks of Jan's rando 
bikes.

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 5:27:19 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’d be curious to hear what sort of justification Grant had for claiming 
> that p-clamps were superior to actual mid-fork braze ons. To me, a fixed 
> mounting point seems like a secure no-brainer… less fiddly bits, no 
> unsightly black rubber, and it looks so much cleaner.
>
> But then again, it wouldn’t surprise me either way.
>
> On Mar 22, 2023, at 8:15 PM, Junes  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi m f, welcome! Congrats on the bike. 
>
> Regarding your question: 
>
> It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without 
> rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special 
> request to not have them?
>
>
> It’s not totally unusual for Rivs, particularly early-ish ones, to have 
> forks devoid of rack mount eyelets. Two of my Rivs don’t have them, one an 
> Atlantis, explicitly positioned as an all-rounder, and one a Glorius. 
> (Incidentally both were Toyo built.) In an early Atlantis brochure, Grant 
> even wrote that a lack of such fork eyelets is better because using clamps 
> to attach rack struts to forks is superior. All recent Rivs have eyelets 
> galore, though.  
>
> On Mar 22, 2023, at 19:08, Andrew Letton  wrote:
>
> 
> Nice bike!
> My All-Rounder and Road Standard have Joe Bell paint and both have the JB 
> logo on the left chainstay like this:
>
> <1679526443662blob.jpg>
>
>
>
> cheers,
> Andrew in Sydney
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 10:03:03 AM GMT+11, m f <
> rockthr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hi - I'm new here! Not sure how many of you saw this on eBay over the past 
> few months, but I was able to work with the seller and found a way to buy 
> this 2000 All-Rounder (Curt Goodrich). I have a couple updates in mind 
> (sweptback handlebar, Brooks saddle), but those will happen with time. 
> First step will be new tires and tuning the mechanicals (Dura Ace except 
> for crankset) so I can get a ride or two under my belt. If the seller is in 
> this group - thanks again for all the help!
>
> Questions for the group: 
> It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without 
> rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special 
> request to not have them?
> What are the markers that indicate the frame was painted at Joe Bell's 
> shop?
>
>
>
> 
> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 8:09:10 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The All Rounder like the XO-1 before it gets a lot of interest and praise, 
> but I think that, like the XO-1 that preceeded it, it is an early design 
> that has been superseded and bettered by later Grantian bikes, starting 
> with the Atlantis and continuing with the Sam Hillborne and doubtless the 
> more recent models.
>
> I say this having owned an XO-1 and having bought a custom Road based on 
> the All Rounder, with lighter (753) tubing and slightly more upright hta 
> (IIRC). My 1999 and 2003 Road customs, also built for 26" wheels, are 
> better "All Round" both on pavement and in dirt than either XO-1 and the 
> first Road custom, with much longer chainstays, slightly sacker head, and 
> upsloping tts with extended head tubes. 
>
> I say again that the later Road customs ride better on dirt, particularly 
> sandy surfaces, than the XO-1 and the first gen, AR-based road custom.
>
> I think -- but I am open to reasoned rebuttal -- that an Atlantis or Sam 
> Hill would be better for all round riding than either XOs or ARs.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Let's talk about the All Rounder

[Greg J]

My recollection from one of the early Readers was that Grant felt that 
p-clamps worked just fine, and they didn't lock you into a single type of 
racks/fenders/what have you.  A big part of the Riv philosophy is that 
these frames can be used for a long time and are not encumbered by fashion. 
 As others have noted, all racks are different, and it would be a pain (and 
a lot more work) to braze-on attachment points, only to have them be 
useless because the rack doesn't fit or the style of racks change (e.g., 
shift from front panniers to baskets).  Now, maybe due to customer demand, 
Rivs do have braze-ons, but he has gone the opposite direction of having 
multiple sets of braze-ons still in an effort to make them flexible 
for different rack systems.  

Also, I think generally, Grant's aesthetic runs more towards the 
utilitarian-DIY-strap things on with wires and straps, rather than the 
perfect fender lines and perfectly-placed braze-ons for custom racks of 
Jan's rando bikes.

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 5:27:19 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’d be curious to hear what sort of justification Grant had for claiming 
> that p-clamps were superior to actual mid-fork braze ons. To me, a fixed 
> mounting point seems like a secure no-brainer… less fiddly bits, no 
> unsightly black rubber, and it looks so much cleaner.
>
> But then again, it wouldn’t surprise me either way.
>
> On Mar 22, 2023, at 8:15 PM, Junes  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi m f, welcome! Congrats on the bike. 
>
> Regarding your question: 
>
> It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without 
> rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special 
> request to not have them?
>
>
> It’s not totally unusual for Rivs, particularly early-ish ones, to have 
> forks devoid of rack mount eyelets. Two of my Rivs don’t have them, one an 
> Atlantis, explicitly positioned as an all-rounder, and one a Glorius. 
> (Incidentally both were Toyo built.) In an early Atlantis brochure, Grant 
> even wrote that a lack of such fork eyelets is better because using clamps 
> to attach rack struts to forks is superior. All recent Rivs have eyelets 
> galore, though.  
>
> On Mar 22, 2023, at 19:08, Andrew Letton  wrote:
>
> 
> Nice bike!
> My All-Rounder and Road Standard have Joe Bell paint and both have the JB 
> logo on the left chainstay like this:
>
> <1679526443662blob.jpg>
>
>
>
> cheers,
> Andrew in Sydney
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 10:03:03 AM GMT+11, m f <
> rockthr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
>
> Hi - I'm new here! Not sure how many of you saw this on eBay over the past 
> few months, but I was able to work with the seller and found a way to buy 
> this 2000 All-Rounder (Curt Goodrich). I have a couple updates in mind 
> (sweptback handlebar, Brooks saddle), but those will happen with time. 
> First step will be new tires and tuning the mechanicals (Dura Ace except 
> for crankset) so I can get a ride or two under my belt. If the seller is in 
> this group - thanks again for all the help!
>
> Questions for the group: 
> It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without 
> rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special 
> request to not have them?
> What are the markers that indicate the frame was painted at Joe Bell's 
> shop?
>
>
>
> 
> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 8:09:10 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The All Rounder like the XO-1 before it gets a lot of interest and praise, 
> but I think that, like the XO-1 that preceeded it, it is an early design 
> that has been superseded and bettered by later Grantian bikes, starting 
> with the Atlantis and continuing with the Sam Hillborne and doubtless the 
> more recent models.
>
> I say this having owned an XO-1 and having bought a custom Road based on 
> the All Rounder, with lighter (753) tubing and slightly more upright hta 
> (IIRC). My 1999 and 2003 Road customs, also built for 26" wheels, are 
> better "All Round" both on pavement and in dirt than either XO-1 and the 
> first Road custom, with much longer chainstays, slightly sacker head, and 
> upsloping tts with extended head tubes. 
>
> I say again that the later Road customs ride better on dirt, particularly 
> sandy surfaces, than the XO-1 and the first gen, AR-based road custom.
>
> I think -- but I am open to reasoned rebuttal -- that an Atlantis or Sam 
> Hill would be better for all round riding than either XOs or ARs.
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Greg J]

I'm planning to ride over on my A/R, if anyone wants to join me.

Greg / Oakland



On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:44:46 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I love a good garage sale, hope y'all have fun!
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 2:05:37 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Yep! I’ll be there.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2023, at 11:04 AM, Paul Choi  wrote:
>>
>> I'm planning on going to garage sale on Saturday. Is anyone else here 
>> planning on going?
>> Hope to see some of the locals there. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>> Paul in Santa Clara
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Greg J]

The muddy Riv with the knobby tires and Carradice is my Waterford Riv - 
I've been swapping bars on it (which is why it remains untaped) and was 
toying with getting an upright bar (Losco, Albatross), but I picked up a 
flared shallow drop bar at the garage sale so that will be the next 
iteration.

Greg

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:40:52 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Yeah...thanks for that, Philip. I think that midnight blue bike was an 
> early Waterford-built all-rounder, not a legolas as someone on Insta said. 
> Anyway looks like it was a fun event
>
> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 9:54:59 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Huge thanks to Philip for sharing all the images over on Insta, I got the 
>> virtual tour I was dying for!
>>
>> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:
>>
>>> Keith H. asked about the orange Rambouillet that is missing paint. Will 
>>> of Rivendell told me that the chainstay bridge and the seatstay bridges 
>>> were moved farther from the rear dropout to enable larger tires to fit. “I 
>>> think this frame will take 45s now,” he said. He didn’t say why the top 
>>> tube and downtube and head tube are now bare steel, and I didn’t think to 
>>> ask. We both just stood there and admired the frame. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:16:04 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Id like to know the story on the orange Rambouillet that is all 
>>>> stripped.  I love to remember that lugged frames can almost always be be 
>>>> repaired.  
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 2:12:20 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm always bummed to miss these, but those buds on the trees and bike 
>>>>> rack full of shopper's bikes are especially painful this year.  All that 
>>>>> rain that CA has been getting translates to snow here.  It'll be months 
>>>>> before I could enjoy something like that.
>>>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:42:57 PM UTC-6 Lucky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Still bummed to have missed this.
>>>>>> I bet my Tosco bar was sad to miss me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice Hardrock I see!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:52, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you achieve #7?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Beautiful Atlantis 👌)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Matthew Williams <
>>>>>>> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Riv Garage Sale hauls

[Greg J]

Frankly, I saw you but didn't get a chance to say hello.  My haul looks 
similar to yours (but smaller!) - 2x rims (26" Synergy), a Simworks flared 
drop bar, a set of QR's, and a Jack Brown tire.  I wish I could have bought 
a wool base layer but I ran out of cash.

Greg

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 11:28:16 AM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:

> Love the photo near the end that shows how much the Atlantis has changed 
> over the years.
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 9:08:35 PM UTC-5 nicklin...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It was a PERFECT DAY to visit the shop and browse for bits & pieces.  A 
>> great turnout.  
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
>> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: image6.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 2:52 PM, Franklyn Wu  wrote:
>>
>> I got there just before Riv open the sale. I chatted with people, some 
>> of whom I haven't seen before COVID! So many neat bikes 
>> <https://www.instagram.com/p/CqOkSbwjYrh/> that people rode to the sale. 
>> Here is my haul. People post what you got today!
>>
>> Franklyn
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Old vs New?

[Greg J]

Most of this is coming from (pretty foggy) memory:  I believe there are 
Wford built Atlantises from a period when Riv had issues sourcing Toyo 
frames.  At least at the time, WF was using its own proprietary dropouts- 
the svelte ones with a curve on the insider triangle, compared to the more 
generic ones that Toyo used at that time, so that's one "tell."  (But 
later, Riv must have licensed or bought similar dropouts and stamped them 
Rivendell, so visually this may not be helpful.)  And all WF frames have 
WF's running serial numbers, so that's a sure way to tell.  

Greg

On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:32:31 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Here's another one showing the curve of the Toyo chainstays well.  It has 
> the same round lugs, which are like the blue and later Rambouillets.  That 
> would make sense, as these were the first two production frames and 
> contemporaries, both made at Toyo.  
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc161-garyrogers0906.html
>
> So maybe the "small" pointed lugs, which also appeared on the orange 
> Rambouillets, indicate the oldest Atlanti?  Like this:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2010/cc763-jayscheiner0410.html
>
> Likewise, maybe the "big" pointy lugs are slightly  later.  They would 
> have been shared with the Saluki, which came slightly later than the Ram 
> and Atlantis.  Like this:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc446-willcarey0208.html
>
> Obviously  lots of good images on the Cyclofiend site, for analyzing 
> this.  I think contributions/updates sort of tapered off around the same 
> time as the switch to Taiwanese production, right Jim?:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/atlantis/index.html
>
>
> On Friday, May 5, 2023 at 8:25:32 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> One of the difficulties in identifying builder/age is that there were 
>> running changes right from the beginning. 
>>
>>  I think you can pretty safely identify the Toyo frames by the shape of 
>> the chainstays.  They had a graceful S-shape, with a curve behind the 
>> bottom bracket for tire clearance; then a straighter section  more-or-less 
>> parallel, for foot/crank clearance;  then curving out again before meeting 
>> the rear dropout at 135mm width.   Slightly newer frames had more 
>> common-shaped j-shaped stays that angled straight to the dropout after the 
>> first bend.  I'm not sure what builders did what though, or if later Toyo 
>> frames changed.
>>
>> The very earliest Atlanti would have had an RC-1 crown, with the 
>> triangular window.
>>
>> The lugs are more of a crapshoot.  Here's one that has the 
>> above-described chainstays and fork crown, but has rounded lugs instead of 
>> one of the two pointy styles I'd always thought were used from the earliest:
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc412-clivestandley1207.html
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:47:46 PM UTC-6 MisterMo wrote:
>>
>>> Was there ever a Waterford Atlantis?  How can one tell the difference 
>>> between a Toyo Atlantis and any others?  ie, is the 'pointy' lugged 
>>> Atlantis Toyo built?  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 4:22:39 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't have an atlantis - but for a long time rode a crust romancuer, 
>>>> which was somewhat based off the old atlantis's. I thought it was the bees 
>>>> knees for a long time, but never felt right *for me* especially while 
>>>> trying to use upright bars. It felt amazing with drops however. Due to 
>>>> neck 
>>>> injuries and unable to set the bike up in it's best form decided to trade 
>>>> my Romanceur for a Clementine. It is a day and night difference of ride 
>>>> with boscos and long top tube and wheelbase. 
>>>>
>>>> My summarization would be: 
>>>>
>>>> For drop bar setup - an older atlantis would be nice. There are a more 
>>>> similar bikes available like the older atlantis frames. AKA large tire 
>>>> clearance touring bikes. Bassi Le Montreal, Crust Romancuer, etc. 
>>>>
>>>> For upright bars - the long wheelbase and top tube rivs truly shine in 
>>>> their comfort, performance, and handling. I don't think there are a lot of 
>>>> bikes out there outside of rivendell with similar wheelbase and handling 
>>>> characteristics. I get a bit annoyed with the constant rebuttal that 
>>>> "they're just over priced 80's mountain bikes" - but they took everything 
>>>> good 

[RBW] Re: Phil Rivy hub axle OLD 130->126->120 respacing

[Greg J]

I did this on an older Phil FW hub.  You can buy a shorter axle end piece 
on the FW side, but there are differences over the years, so you should 
contact Phil directly and get the one that fits that model.  Then you'll 
have to re-dish the wheel.

Greg

On Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:28:12 AM UTC-7 Max S wrote:

> Question for those who might know... 
> I've got a Phil hubbed wheelset, the rear uses what I believe is a Rivy 
> hub, freewheel version. I could be mis-remembering, but I believe the idea 
> was to use flanges and spacing that basically make front and rear use the 
> same length spokes. At any rate, the rear hub is spaced for 130 mm 
> over-locknut dimension. I'm shoving it into a frame that uses a narrower 
> spacing, say 126 (although 120 may be it). 
> Can I get a different axle or axle end caps to accomplish this? 
> TIA, 
>
> - Max "obsolete by the time I get out of bed" in A2
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[RBW] FS: 56cm Orange Rambouillet - SF Bay Area

[Greg J]

Hi friends,

I am looking to sell a 56cm early Rambouillet - with the pointy lugs and 
orange color.  I'm the original owner from 2002 or 2003, and my wife rode 
it sparingly.

The only issue is a decent-sized dent in the top tube, which happened 
around 2004-5, when another bike fell on it from a hook in the garage. 
 I've had it looked at and been told it's not a structural issue, merely 
cosmetic.  And we've had no issues with it since.  Other than the dent, 
it's in very good condition, with some scratches as would be expected but 
nothing notable, with that brilliant orange paint still looking new.

I'm looking for $750 for the f/f/hs and ~$1250 for the bike depending on 
the parts.  Currently built up as a 1x10 with Shimano bar ends, but I could 
also do a 3x9 Ultegra build.

We're selling it in order to buy a 54cm that became available, because I 
always that it was a tad too big.

I'll have pics this weekend but please contact me off-list if you or anyone 
you know is interested.  I very much prefer a local sale so that I don't 
have to worry about shipping it but will ship at cost (including 
professional packing by a shop).

Thanks,
Greg
Oakland

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[RBW] Re: 57 Orange Roadini frameset

[Greg Sonstein]

https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjByH8J

On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 11:23 AM Greg Sonstein  wrote:

> $950 plus shipping (probably around $60-80)
>
> Located in LA area. If interested I will email you more photos. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 58 Rambouillet Frame/Fork/HS

[Greg J]

Top tubes are hard to measure because it's hard to locate the centerlines 
of the st and ht.  According to the geo chart, the chain stay length 
increases from 43.5 on a 58cm to 44.5 on a 60cm.  Since this has vertical 
dropouts, maybe that's another way to check?  Based on your picture of the 
c-t measurement, I am inclined to think this is a 60.

greg 

On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 11:24:51 AM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> If it is, its very slight. Here's a link to some pics I had from when it 
> was built up:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8w5UH3xDhYzCj7ey5
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 11:42 AM Nat Lichten  wrote:
>
>> Is it a slightly sloping top tube? 57cm as measured, 58cm ETT in 
>> catalogue?
>>
>> On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>
>>> I measured from the center of the bb to the point where the seatpost 
>>> first becomes visible.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 9:40 AM Hoch in ut  wrote:
>>>
>>>> To what point on the set tube are you measuring CTT? I don’t know the 
>>>> answer but always wondered whether you go to the pointy end of the lug or 
>>>> to where the seatpost first becomes visible. 
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 7:31:19 AM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Correct, but mine has a 57 top tube, unless I'm measuring it wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 9:22 AM maxcr  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you have a 60 (like mine). Here's the geo from the Ram 
>>>>>> brochure 
>>>>>> <https://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Rambouillet.pdf>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> where you can see the 60 has a 58 top tube. Hope this helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [image: ram.jpg]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>> On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bump and an update on sizing:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I listed this as a size 58 based on the 57 c-t-c top tube, though it 
>>>>>>> also has a 60cm c-t-t seat tube. Confusing, because the 58 size should 
>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>> a 58 c-t-t seat tube. I had one buyer back out because they were 
>>>>>>> concerned 
>>>>>>> about standover.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a data point, I had this set up as 650x42 and it had a standover 
>>>>>>> of 83.5. I'm an 88 pbh, 5'11" height for reference and I found it fit 
>>>>>>> well 
>>>>>>> for me with a 90mm stem and drops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 4:08:04 PM UTC-5 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another data point, I shoed Ram #005 with up to 700x38 tires, with 
>>>>>>>> acceptable room to spare. Same brakes as noted above. I may have some 
>>>>>>>> photos on my home computer showing tire clearances.  I picked up #005, 
>>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>> floor demo, in August 2002. 
>>>>>>>> Mike SLO CA 
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 3:37:25 PM UTC-7 Erik Wright wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not to derail too hard, but on the topic of Suntour Superbe 
>>>>>>>>> brakes, I happen to be selling a 1st gen Suntour Superbe group 
>>>>>>>>> (brakes, 
>>>>>>>>> levers, DT shifters, FD, RD) and a campagnolo crankset in case 
>>>>>>>>> anybody 
>>>>>>>>> needs the parts to build up this frameset. $300+ship if anyone is 
>>>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Erik, Philly
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 5:28:05 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had my Ram speed modulated with Suntour Superbe "normal" reach 
>>>>>>>>>> brakes, i.e., 57 mm reach.
>>>>>>>>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 2:17:53 PM U

[RBW] Re: 57 Orange Roadini frameset

[Greg Sonstein]

https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjByH8J

I still have the Roadini frameset if anyone is interested

$950 plus shipping (probably around $60-80)

Located in LA area.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 6:43 AM Greg Sonstein  wrote:

> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjByH8J
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 11:23 AM Greg Sonstein  wrote:
>
>> $950 plus shipping (probably around $60-80)
>>
>> Located in LA area. If interested I will email you more photos. Thanks!
>>
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>>
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[RBW] Re: 57 Orange Roadini frameset

[Greg Sonstein]

Sold

On Monday, July 29, 2024, Greg Sonstein  wrote:

> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjByH8J
>
> I still have the Roadini frameset if anyone is interested
>
> $950 plus shipping (probably around $60-80)
>
> Located in LA area.
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 6:43 AM Greg Sonstein  wrote:
>
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjByH8J
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2024 at 11:23 AM Greg Sonstein 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> $950 plus shipping (probably around $60-80)
>>>
>>> Located in LA area. If interested I will email you more photos. Thanks!
>>>
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>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: 1" threadless stem and adaptor

[Greg J]

Sorry, Joe!  It's coming my way!  

But Bill's comment still stands ... it may eventually make its way to yours 
or Bill's parts hoard.

Greg in Oakland

On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 10:25:37 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> ...and if Joe buys it today, there's a pretty good chance it'll find its 
> way into my stable eventually...
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, August 1, 2024 at 8:00:43 AM UTC-7 jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> hi  Michael
>> I'd love to use that on a current project!!! Let me know,
>> Thanks
>> Joe Bunik
>> Walnut Creek, CA
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 7:33 AM Michael Morrissey  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kind of neato 1" Threadless stem and adaptor for sale. I'm not sure the 
>>> provenance of these items but they sort of look higher end 1980s. 
>>>
>>> $20 + actual shipping from NYC or local pickup. Thanks for looking. 
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0824.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: ISO: 22.2 clamp-on brake cable hanger

[Greg J]

There's also the brake hanger that bolts to the hole in the fork.  Like 
this one: 
 https://www.treefortbikes.com/Tektro-Front-Cable-Hanger-Canti-Fork-Mount

On Wednesday, August 14, 2024 at 11:47:02 AM UTC-7 Peter Bridge wrote:

> I wrestled with this question and ended up spending the money on the Paul 
> piece.
>
> paul components funky monkey - Google Search 
> 
>
> pb  
>
> On Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 3:32:51 PM UTC-7 jyos...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello! I am trying to find a cable hanger that will clamp on to a 22.2 
>> nitto quill stem. I recently purchased a sam through the group (photos will 
>> come when the build is complete!) but it seems the steer tube may have been 
>> cut down at some point and won't fit a usual cable hanger in the headset. 
>> So clamp-on it must be. Something akin to the the elusive nitto x 
>> fairweather cable hanger. Thanks!
>>
>> Also in search of a nitto drop bar cockpit. I have losco bars and long 
>> quill nitto technomic  on it at the moment but not sure they'll stay. Will 
>> consider trades!
>>
>> Thanks! 
>> Jacob in midcoast maine
>>
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[RBW] 57 sergio green APPA

[Greg Sonstein]

these went fast. did anyone get one on speculation they would pass over?

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[RBW] Re: 53cm Bridgestone RB-T $325 plus shipping

[Greg J]

Great price for a great bike!  This would fit me perfectly but I have no 
room in the garage

On Friday, September 13, 2024 at 2:41:56 PM UTC-7 David Hays wrote:

> t's time to thin the herd. I have a Bridgestone RB-T. I'm not sure what 
> year it is but it has no rack braze-ons. I have fit a Pletscher rear rack- 
> the deluxe one Rivendell sold with the pannier mounts- and a VO front rack 
> with the decaleur mount. I have it set up with the original Nitto Mustache 
> bar, Shimano bar end shifters and a black Brooks B17 in good shape. It has 
> almost new H Plus Son rims and Jack Brown Green tires. There are some gaps 
> in the decals and there are plenty of chips in the paint but not dents or 
> rust. It just spends too much time on the hook. I can send more photos. Let 
> me know if you think my price is out of line. Thanks.
> David Hays
> Buffalo, New York
>
> [image: RB-T 1.jpg]
>
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[RBW] GOAT Gloves MIA

[Greg Kagay]

I cannot find the GOAT gloves on the Rivbike.com site. Usually, the product 
page remains live there when things are out of stock. And Rivendell is 
often vocal about product comings and goings. Am I overlooking this product 
page somewhere? Did I miss some news about them? --Greg

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[RBW] WTB Nitto M18 rack

[Greg Murphy]

Hello! Looking to find a Nitto M18 front rack. Looking to pay $80

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

[Greg Murphy]

Leah,

Your bike is similarly setup to mine. Of course, I changed mine up as well
to make it my own; bar end shifters, no rear rack. Anywhoo, gorgeous Clem.
If any bike shop makes you or your Rivendell feel inferiors, they don't
know bikes.

Cheers!

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020, 11:00 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Weeks ago, I took my 2019 Clementine to a bike shop for a major makeover.
> I plunked down the money to make my only bike (until the Playpus arrives) a
> Next Level Clementine. I decided I’d finally get dyno, which I’d never had
> an longed for for years, and I’d get new wheels and tubeless tires to
> lighten up my heavy bike. I’d seen Analog’s beautiful work on Instagram,
> and dyno and hand built wheels and tubeless tires are their wheelhouse.
> Candice and James created and shipped the most colorful, beautiful
> wheelset/tires/dyno you could ever imagine. Ever. Now all I needed was a
> mechanic. But this is Vegas, and good bike shops are hard to come by.
>
> These are the days of COVID 19 and bike shops are overburdened everywhere.
> I don’t have any options close by, so I had to point the van SW and drive
> 35 miles, deep into Vegas. I got to the bike shop 20 minutes before opening
> and there was already a line. I grabbed my Clem, secured my spot, waiting
> in the sun. The mechanics came out to and explained no repairs, save simple
> flat fixes, would be done - they were swamped. I turned around and put my
> Clementine back on the rack. From the parking lot, I called several bike
> shops (one had 6 handwritten pages of names on their waitlist) and found
> only one that could 1. Accept my bike (other shops were too full to take
> more bikes) and 2. Get the bike back to me in less than a month. The catch
> was that the place was called Pro Cyclery. Yikes. How can I show up at a
> place like that with a bike like mine? They will laugh me out of the
> parking lot. They will think I brought them a beach cruiser.
>
> I bit back tears. I looked back at my fancy Analog wheels. And then I
> pointed the van in the direction of Pro Cyclery, arriving 15 minutes later.
>
> When I arrived there were employees apologizing to a mother-son duo that
> they could not get parts, due to a worldwide shortage. There was carbon
> fiber and drop bars and mountain bikes everywhere; it was just as I
> imagined. An employee met with me to write up my ticket. I had a long list
> for him. The list was:
>
> ~Remove old wheels and install Analog wheels (tubeless tires were already
> set up and ready)
> ~Hook up dyno
> ~Adjust brakes, which were too loose
> ~Grease stem
> ~Adjust derailleurs
>  ~Check click in pedal - bottom bracket?
> ~ Install new 38 tooth front chain ring (had a 35 and it was too easy) and
> trouser guard
> ~ Install new Kool Stop ebike brake pads
> ~ Check rear fender to make sure it’s correct because some idiot (me)
> installed it. Without taking off the rear wheel.
>
> The mechanic looked at me uneasily. He said he was sure his more
> experienced mechanic would help us. “Is this going to be ok?” I asked. “Do
> you ever hook up dyno here?”
>
> “Well, I see them at community bike projects. But I can’t see how I’m
> going to hide this wire,” he said, frowning at my fork 😂.
>
> The shop really stretched itself to figure out how to set up the dyno
> (they even called Candice), but when they were done they were really proud
> of their work. They used fancy metal clamps instead of zip ties, something
> I’m not sure they ever have cause to do. They hated drilling into my pretty
> VO fender, but they did it with great precision. They cleaned that bike
> until it sparkled - and this is no exaggeration if you’ve seen RBW Blue
> paint. They recognized my bike for what it was - “Whoever made this bike
> really cares about quality. We know quality when we see it. We don’t see
> bikes like this come through the shop.” By the time I arrived to pick it
> up, they had all ridden my bike and they LOVED it. I brought my bars to
> show them I was swapping out the 55 cromoly Bosco bars for the 52 aluminum
> Boscos. The senior mechanic said, “Oh, no! That will change how this bike
> rides and this bike rides perfect! It’s so nice - we’ve all ridden it and
> it’s so smooth! If I were you I wouldn’t be concerned with weight.” Hahaha
> - you can all feel the irony of the words leaving his lips in a room full
> of carbon bikes with a sign on the building saying Pro Cyclery.
>
> Anyway, I paid them way more money than they initially quoted me (oh well,
> it’s a Next Level Clem), left them a 6 pack of chilled hard cider and drove
> home. I swapped the bars, which took some time because I managed to screw
> up the cabling, and then only had time for a quick 3 miles.
>
> Oh, but those 3 miles were glorious. If you’re going to have a Clem and
> you live in hilly/mountainous country, then you owe yourself a Next Level
> Clem. Dyno is sublime - oh, not having the dumb light on the bars blinding
> the people 

[RBW] PSA: 61cm Heron Touring on SF CL

[Greg J]

I hope this isn't against the rules here.

There's a clean, nice Heron touring on the SF CL.   My recollection is that 
the colored Heron decal is from the era after Riv sold the rights to 
someone else (maybe it was Todd K).

Anyhow, no relationship with the seller, etc.

Greg
Oakland, CA

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[RBW] Re: Bike frame suggestions for longish distance 95% road comfort

[Greg J]

that's a great looking bike!  congrats!  it is exactly what I would have 
suggested in the first place also.  Lots of older, nice riding frames with 
clearance for bigger tires.

best, Greg

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 1:22:56 PM UTC-7, Andrew Turner wrote:
>
> First ride report for the FW Evans frame! 
> Long story short, I simply couldn't be happier with how the bike performs. 
> It rides most similar to the Roadini I had a while back with it's springy 
> front-end and general Cadillac feel but with the added bonus of lugs. I do 
> suspect it has a lower trail, though. There's a slight twitchiness unloaded 
> in the front as you see it here but that will be resolved soon. Things left 
> to do on the bike include installing the front fender, an M12 rack + 
> basket, and upgrading the tires to some Jack Brown's. There's a chance I'll 
> replace the VO Nouveau Randonneur Handlebar as well. They're nice but 
> incredibly different than what I'm used to feeling, mainly due to how sharp 
> the swoops are. 
> [image: B1.jpg]
> On Monday, June 29, 2020 at 10:47:10 PM UTC-5 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 1:19:47 PM UTC-7, Brady Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> If you decide low trail is what you want, you might consider the Soma 
>>> Grand Randonneur. Designed by the Boulder Bicycle people, but way, way 
>>> cheaper than their All-Road.…
>>>
>>
>> …not to mention that Boulder Bicycle had kinda stopped making frames 
>> <http://boulderbicycle.bike/Boulder-Bicycle-Rando-Overview-and-Pricing.html> 
>> to concentrate on their vintage parts offerings.
>>
>> Andrew (the OP) is familiar with Velo-Orange, so I don't know why he 
>> didn't put the Pass Hunter on his list. It's got all his wants, except for 
>> rim brakes. OK, maybe a 35mm ø steel downtube isn't going to plane…
>>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cyclists Robbed of Bikes in Berkeley Hills

[Greg J]

That's really a depressing state of affairs.  These are my backyard rides, 
too.

Greg Jung

On Friday, April 2, 2021 at 10:38:32 AM UTC-7 John Phillips wrote:

>Just a heads up to riders who frequent Grizzly Peak Road. Article in 
> Berkeleyside doesn't say what kinds of bikes, if any, are being targeted:
>
>
> https://www.berkeleyside.com/2021/04/01/bike-robberies-grizzly-peak-berkeley-oakland-east-bay-hills
>
> John Phillips
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seat bag security

[Greg J]

On my Bart bike (which I leave at the station all day during non-covid 
times), I loop a thin braided steel cable (like 2-3mm diameter, ~10" long) 
through the bag and the seatpost binder bolt.  These were typically used to 
theft-deter quick release seat posts.  On at least a couple of occasions, I 
found my bag (just a cheap Jannd, but still, I don't want it stolen) 
hanging off the bike but still attached because the thief couldn't just 
walk off with it.  Of course, I don't leave anything valuable in the bag, 
and you could pretty easily cut through the cable if you were determined.

Greg

On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 7:16:09 AM UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've always wanted to attach a fancy Sackville bag to my bike, but I live 
> in Toronto where stuff gets stolen off your bike all the time. So I've 
> resigned myself to only using bike parts I can bolt down.
>
> Anyone else deal with this? Any suggestions for locking down or otherwise 
> securing seat bags? 
>
> Cheers!
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Road serial number help

[Greg J]

I don't have my Riv Readers any more, but the "M" may represent a 
match-built AR.  Or a Riv custom builder (JS, RS, etc.), but I can't think 
of anyone with an "M" initial.
That's not a Waterford serial number.

On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 9:53:37 AM UTC-7 aidan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Unfortunately, I am not a historian. But I can add data. Not that it helps 
> terribly. I have a Waterford build Rivendell that I ordered as soon as 
> Rivendell was set to take orders and received in 1995. Its serial is 
> K95017. Since it looks rather different, I am guessing that the sequencing 
> changed at some point relatively early. I don't have Rivendell on the other 
> side of the BB shell, but Everest on the same side.
>
> Good luck with the archival research =)
>
> On Monday, June 14, 2021 at 4:21:38 AM UTC+2 bliss...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Can’t remember the pedigree of my Rivendell Road.  I purchased it on EBay 
>> close to 20 years ago from a gentleman who had two for sale, one an orange 
>> Road, which I bought, and another, a beautiful green All-Rounder.  Should 
>> have bought them both, talk about Sophie’s choice!  Was a bit of a sad 
>> story, the original owner had ordered these two and had never ridden them 
>> due to declining health.
>>   So, serial number is R72M, with RIVENDELL on the other side of the BB 
>> shell.  Any historians able to fill me in?
>>
>

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