[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter 2023

[Eric Marth]

It was a fun event and I didn't even ride my bicycle! I arrived early 
Friday and left before lunch Saturday. Rained like hell Friday afternoon 
and all night Friday into Saturday. Huge turnout all the same. I still had 
lots of fun visiting with people and making new friends. Justin, it was 
great to meet you. I wish I'd stuck around to ride with you all. 

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:39:07 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> Friday and Saturday morning's weather notwithstanding, it was an awesome 
> weekend once again! Some pics and videos below on my IG highlight reel. Was 
> great meeting Eric Marth in person as well as hanging and riding with 
> fellow Brooklynite Stephen. The camp this year was the best yet - an old 
> Boy Scout camp with lots of interesting terrain to explore. The bunk'd out 
> lean-to's were lifesavers for staying relatively dry Friday night. 
> Hopefully they'll keep doing it at Deer Lake going forward.  
>
> https://www.instagram.com/stories/highlights/18022077148765755/
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 10:30:54 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> How was the ride?  I missed it this year due to a work trip.  Last time 
>> my crew made it up was 2021 (a fabulous year) and I'm itching to get back.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:45:18 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes it looks terrible! Hope still fun tho  
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 5:20:51 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>>
>>>> The forecast is getting worse the closer we get! 
>>>>
>>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-10-16 at 4.33.11 PM.png]
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 11:25:02 PM UTC-4 J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll be there again, this time on a big ol pistachio Romanceur 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:58:35 PM UTC-4 lyon...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going to add a mermaid gus to the mix--see you out there!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam in Portland
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 9:26:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most excellent! Looking forward to it and hoping the forecast 
>>>>>>> improves. 
>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 1:52:35 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Justin and Stephen — I'll be on my Appaloosa so that'll be three 
>>>>>>>> mermaid frames... at least! 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:56:46 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yep that was me!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stephen, i met you outside Luigi’s a couple weeks ago?? 
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 9:09:28 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’ll be there on the appa!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. 
>>>>>>>>>>> -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some day…
>>>>>>>>>>>> Have fun!
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Kai
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 4:07:20 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Patch! see ya there ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 3:14:56 PM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MEEE - but you knew that :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patch in Brooklyn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 10:16:37 AM UTC-4 Justin 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curious if anyone else from the RBW Owners Bunch will be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there this year. If so, would love to say hello! I'll be on my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mermaid 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Platy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt

[Eric Marth]

Alex, Lyle's build at the time he sold the Ram is one of my favorite 
bicycles I've ever seen. It's been fun to see the further mods you've made 
and watch as you've put it through big brevets and PBP! 

The current setup, paint and spec are superb! 

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 9:50:15 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Wow, thank you all for the overwhelming response and for sharing your 
> experience. I love the photos, keep 'em coming!
>
> Matt, thanks for the detail on the Tektros, I ordered a pair but also 
> decided to pull the trigger on Alex' Mafacs (thanks Alex!) to try out the 
> conversion.
>
> Here is what I'll try: 
> 1) New 700C RH tires - Bon Jon Pass in standard casings
> 2) Swap out Paul Racers Medium for MAFAC RAID and install 650b Wheels with 
> Loup Loup Pass tires or with Hetres (650x42) depending on what fits
>
> I'm not sure when, but I will get to it... I have too many half baked 
> projects at the moment, including my half-built Gallop on the stand right 
> now, a brakeless Wilbury that will lose its wheels soon and a MMM bubbe 
> with an Xtracycle that also needs a 650b conversion - I hope I can use the 
> Paul Racers directly on the canti posts, I'm not sure if the plate where 
> the bolt sits is removable.
>
> Thanks again to everyone and I'll report back.
>
> Max
> On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 1:33:13 PM UTC-4 ber...@bernardduhon.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Careful with offset brake pad’s 
>> If tires are wide pad my rub on tire
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>> --
>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>> behalf of Toshi Takeuchi 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:02:58 PM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Considering trading my Ram for a Lightning Bolt 
>>  
>> I concur with Evan.  I had a 54 cm 650b Ram with 54 mm Hetre/Baby Shoe 
>> Pass tires and SKS fenders.  It was as good as my custom bike, except for 
>> the toe overlap and dynamo wiring. I used thin profile V-brake style pads 
>> to get a little extra reach with the Tektro R559.  That strategy may be 
>> able to be combined with the offset brake-pad holders if needed.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 9:16 AM Evan E.  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alex, 
>>
>> Here for your reference is a photo of my Rambouillet with 650b wheels, 
>> Tektro R559 brakes, and Pari-Moto 650b x 42 tires. I used offset brake-pad 
>> holders on the rear caliper to get a tad more reach. If it turns out you 
>> need a bit more reach on your bike, let me know. I still have those offset 
>> brake-pad holders.
>>
>> Evan
>> San Francisco
>>
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Eric Marth]

[image: 0_ccmrPRcSB2W_0CI0t2_600x450-1.jpg]

It's too bad to see an uncommon Riv frame that was rippled and dimpled by 
one owner and left outside *over winter* by the next. Perhaps with the 
damage there's some more room to negotiate the price. It would be nice if a 
new owner could resurrect it. But I'm worried it's worse than it looks 
given the current owner's lack of bicycle savvy (bad pics, missing 
important pics, incorrect wheel size). 

AFAIK Bernie Mikkelson does repair work for Rivendell (when he can get to 
it) and if this frame has been inspected and evaluated by him that would 
give me some degree of confidence. Even more if I could call him and he 
remembered the frame. 
On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 1:48:52 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That poor Hunq looks like it got overclamped in a repair stand. Clamp the 
> seatpost, people! 
>
> The price is optimistic with the damage and visible rust but it probably 
> rides fine. 
>
> There's no 54cm Hunqapillar with 26-inch wheels, I'm not sure what size 
> this frame is. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:02:05 PM UTC-7 h...@chrisdedinsky.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody know more details about this Hunq: 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/7682361768.html?lang=fr&cc=ca
>>
>> On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-7 Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>>> I had the chance to buy that legolas and I just don't have the funds to 
>>> pull it off right now. whoever gets it please show us that eventual build!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 5:32:40 PM UTC-7 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Pretty Legolas frame over at Crust Trader. 
 https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179172
 Matt in STL

 On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 1:45:45 PM UTC-5 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> 59cm Legolas over on internet-BOB.  $400, with a backstory.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:39:09 PM UTC-7 jerry...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Rivendell SimpleOne Frame 60 cm w/Fork And Headset (not mine, nor 
>> seller known to me)
>>
>> $425 plus shipping - or Best Offer
>>
>>
>> [image: Riv-ebay.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, 19 October 2023 at 11:51:08 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I know that seller. He’s a good man and I hope he finds an equally 
>>> nice buyer.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 2:14:30 PM UTC-4 greenteadrinkers 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nice NOS Hunqapillar frame set:


 https://lansing.craigslist.org/bik/d/okemos-rivendell-hunqapillar-frameset/7678319217.html

 On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 11:23:35 AM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
 wrote:

> Rosco Bubbe
> 58cm
> eBay auction
> Lake Linden, MI
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/335072976787
>
> [image: roscobubbe.jpg]
>


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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Thank you Randy and Takashi!  

Takashi, always love when you share a set with us! Third photo is my fave 
from this batch! 

On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 10:58:54 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:

> I agree with Randy; Eric's photos are spectacular.
>
> Here are some photos from Saturday's ride.
> Climbed up a mountain pass, overlooking Mt. Ontake and Kaida Plateau.
>
> [image: DSC03407.jpg]
>
> [image: DSC03414.jpg]
>
> [image: DSC03418.jpg]
>
> A couple of scarecrows were enjoying majestic view of Mt. Ontake.
> (Yes, they're scarecrows.)
> [image: DSC03421.jpg]
>
> Takashi
>
>
> 2023年11月1日水曜日 10:16:47 UTC+9 larson@gmail.com:
>
>> Spectacular Fall scenery, Eric.
>> Randy in WI (where falling snow mixed with falling leaves today)
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:49:39 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here are a few from my ride yesterday :o) 
>>>
>>> [image: 231028 Ride 09 Estes.jpg]
>>> [image: 231028 Ride 04 Estes.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: 231028 Ride 10 Woodward.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Eric Marth]

Good catch, Reeb! Seemed too good to be true, I deleted my post :o) 

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 9:54:21 PM UTC-5 Ryan Ray wrote:

> Here is my Bleriot for sale on CL in Seattle or I will pay my LBS 150 
> bucks to box it up right. I bought a bigger Homer instead!
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-61cm-rivendell-bleriot/7683878809.html
>
> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-8 reeb wrote:
>
>> could be a scam. same photos from a chicago seller: 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/155871116274?hash=item244aa47bf2:g:Gg4AAOSwQglk~fZ4
>>
>> On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 4:41:01 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 4.32.02 PM copy.jpg]
>>>
>>> Clem H
>>> 52cm
>>> $741
>>> New Jersey
>>> https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m80573702381
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Great pics everyone!

Patrick: That's Caroline County, Virginia, about 12 miles from home.

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 10:10:00 PM UTC-5 Mark C wrote:

>
> I road my old Ritchey to nearby White Park just over a week ago and there 
> was still some color, but the leaves fell fast after that.
>
> [image: Ritchey.jpg]
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:46 PM UTC-5 tob...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> I enjoyed some fall colors on the Bleriot this weekend
>> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 4:56:13 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Some more .. I've been riding the Bombadil pretty much exclusively 
>>> lately, after riding it very little all summer. 
>>>
>>> Eric - please do visit!  Late March thru late April is when the best 
>>> display of cherry/plum blossoms outside Japan are in full swing. 
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20231104_211128475 (1).jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Stephen: Two things, 1) Hi Dan! 2) Nice Stan Rays 😎 3) Oops that's three, 
nice pics! 

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:44:33 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Joined a fun ride up the OCA trail north of NYC this past weekend. Super 
> nice late fall day, thanks for the intel Justin.
>
> [image: IMG_6202.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_6206.jpg]
>
> [image: 2023_113727.JPG]
> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Jason, you have good looking Atlantis!
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 2:16 PM, Jason R.  wrote:
>>
>>> A few photos from a weekend ride on the Salt Creek Trail west of 
>>> Chicago. Peak leaf season has passed here, but a good number of sparsely 
>>> populated trees with leaves of varying colors keep it going.
>>>
>>> [image: R0004237.jpg]
>>> [image: R0004242.jpg]
>>> [image: R0004247.jpg]
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Patrick,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the introduction and background regarding the Gilbert House. 
>>>> I had not heard of it but you always have a good story to tell and this is 
>>>> certainly one.
>>>> Here is a link to the Gilbert House:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.atlantaga.gov/government/departments/city-planning/office-of-design/urban-design-commission/jeremiah-s-gilbert-house
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the cycling environment here: I'm seeing more cyclists, many 
>>>> group ride opportunities, some infrastructure improvements like lanes 
>>>> (still not enough). The ongoing construction of the Beltline; the Path 
>>>> Foundation continues its efforts to expand the trail system with the goal 
>>>> of connecting to the Silver Comet. Unfortunately, the volume of traffic 
>>>> has 
>>>> exploded and with that speeds to match; likely the same in many large 
>>>> cities. However, if you know when and where to ride there are plenty of 
>>>> options for year round riding. Oh, and hills. Lots of those to get your 
>>>> heart rate up.
>>>>
>>>> I should add, if you don't mind driving an hour or two in any direction 
>>>> from the city there are pleasant low traffic rolling country roads like 
>>>> this to ride.
>>>> [image: IMG_0628.jpg]
>>>> [image: IMG_0689.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 5:53 PM Patrick Moore  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rich: It has been decades since I was last in Atlanta, and I've never 
>>>>> cycled there, but I recall that, at least 20 years ago when I last 
>>>>> visited 
>>>>> my sister and bro-in-law (they took to coming out here instead), it did 
>>>>> not 
>>>>> look to be a very cycling-friendly city. I also recall the area from even 
>>>>> earlier visits to my grandmother who lived in Decatur, and these even 
>>>>> more 
>>>>> distant memories also are of a poor cycling environment in the 
>>>>> Decatur/Emory area. Have things changed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Aside: do you know the Gilbert house? I see it's now a city-owned 
>>>>> landmark. It belonged to family-by-second-marriage: a paternal 
>>>>> great-uncle 
>>>>> and widower married one of the Gilbert sisters and I recall visiting the 
>>>>> Faulknerian remnants of the (I think) 2d-gen Gilbert siblings about 1964, 
>>>>> all living there together, all well over 100 years old (exaggeration), 
>>>>> including Aunt Gus who boasted that she hadn't been outside of the house 
>>>>> for 13 years (not exaggeration) and Hattie who had been bedridden for 
>>>>> years. They had a cook (I recall playing with her son) who from a 
>>>>> detached 
>>>>> kitchen with covered walkway to the house made wonderful 18-course meals 
>>>>> 4 
>>>>> or 5 times a day; between courses they ate biscuits with butter and 
>>>>> honey, 
>>>>> like sopapillas in NM. All as distant culturally from my WDC-suburban 
>>>>> upbringing as my mother's family in Sorosogon, Sorsogon. Bike content: 
>>>>> cook's son had a bike which even back circa 1964 interested me rather 
>>>>> greatly and which I mentally compared to my entry-level fff24&qu

Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Jason R: Nice shots & Hillborne!

On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 5:03:59 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Stephen: Two things, 1) Hi Dan! 2) Nice Stan Rays 😎 3) Oops that's three, 
> nice pics! 
>
> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 7:44:33 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>
>> Joined a fun ride up the OCA trail north of NYC this past weekend. Super 
>> nice late fall day, thanks for the intel Justin.
>>
>> [image: IMG_6202.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_6206.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 2023_113727.JPG]
>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 3:39:28 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, you have good looking Atlantis!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 2:16 PM, Jason R.  wrote:
>>>
>>>> A few photos from a weekend ride on the Salt Creek Trail west of 
>>>> Chicago. Peak leaf season has passed here, but a good number of sparsely 
>>>> populated trees with leaves of varying colors keep it going.
>>>>
>>>> [image: R0004237.jpg]
>>>> [image: R0004242.jpg]
>>>> [image: R0004247.jpg]
>>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:49:22 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Patrick,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the introduction and background regarding the Gilbert 
>>>>> House. I had not heard of it but you always have a good story to tell and 
>>>>> this is certainly one.
>>>>> Here is a link to the Gilbert House:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.atlantaga.gov/government/departments/city-planning/office-of-design/urban-design-commission/jeremiah-s-gilbert-house
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the cycling environment here: I'm seeing more cyclists, many 
>>>>> group ride opportunities, some infrastructure improvements like lanes 
>>>>> (still not enough). The ongoing construction of the Beltline; the Path 
>>>>> Foundation continues its efforts to expand the trail system with the goal 
>>>>> of connecting to the Silver Comet. Unfortunately, the volume of traffic 
>>>>> has 
>>>>> exploded and with that speeds to match; likely the same in many large 
>>>>> cities. However, if you know when and where to ride there are plenty of 
>>>>> options for year round riding. Oh, and hills. Lots of those to get your 
>>>>> heart rate up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I should add, if you don't mind driving an hour or two in any 
>>>>> direction from the city there are pleasant low traffic rolling country 
>>>>> roads like this to ride.
>>>>> [image: IMG_0628.jpg]
>>>>> [image: IMG_0689.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Rich in ATL
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 5:53 PM Patrick Moore  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: It has been decades since I was last in Atlanta, and I've never 
>>>>>> cycled there, but I recall that, at least 20 years ago when I last 
>>>>>> visited 
>>>>>> my sister and bro-in-law (they took to coming out here instead), it did 
>>>>>> not 
>>>>>> look to be a very cycling-friendly city. I also recall the area from 
>>>>>> even 
>>>>>> earlier visits to my grandmother who lived in Decatur, and these even 
>>>>>> more 
>>>>>> distant memories also are of a poor cycling environment in the 
>>>>>> Decatur/Emory area. Have things changed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aside: do you know the Gilbert house? I see it's now a city-owned 
>>>>>> landmark. It belonged to family-by-second-marriage: a paternal 
>>>>>> great-uncle 
>>>>>> and widower married one of the Gilbert sisters and I recall visiting the 
>>>>>> Faulknerian remnants of the (I think) 2d-gen Gilbert siblings about 
>>>>>> 1964, 
>>>>>> all living there together, all well over 100 years old (exaggeration), 
>>>>>> including Aunt Gus who boasted that she hadn't been outside of the house 
>>>>>> for 13 years (not exaggeration) and Hattie who had been bedridden for 
>>>>>> years. They had a cook (I recall playing with her son) who from a 
>>>>>> detached 
>>>>>> kitchen with covered walkway to the house made wonderful 18-course mea

[RBW] Re: Silver shifter repair

[Eric Marth]

Hello MTR — I've disassembled Silver shifters for repairs but have not had 
one of the cover plates pop off on its own like yours. That is some brave 
free-hand drilling you've depicted! 

I've found the plates are relatively easy to re-install and can be pressure 
fit or set into place with a vise or a hammer. Getting them as flat as you 
can beforehand helps. 

If I had your lever in my shop here's what I would do. 

1: Remove the shift cable and set aside to reinstall
2: Remove the lever from the shifter pod, paying careful attention to the 
order the washers, bolts and other loose bits are installed
3: While the cover plate is free inspect the spring, pawl and ratchet for 
corrosion. Clean with a stiff brush if necessary and reinstall. Be careful 
with the spring, they're very tiny and can fly across your shop in the 
blink of an eye!
4: Take the freed lever and press the cover plate back over the shifter 
body by hand
5: Seat the cover plate by clamping it tightly with a bench vise *or *tapping 
it into place with a piece of hardwood between the plate and the hammer
6: If the plate doesn't look like it wants to stay in place I might add a 
very small amount of epoxy in a spot that will not interfere with the 
internal ratchet mechanisms
7: Reinstall the lever, reinstall the cable. 

Just my take, let us know how your screw fix works. 
On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Looks good! It shouldn't come loose, nothing is acting on it to loosen it.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 11:19:14 PM UTC-5 MTR wrote:
>
>> Posting my repair
>>
>>  I used the smallest sheet metal screw I could find at Ace 3/32 inch and 
>> the matching drill bit to drill perpendicular through the shifter. If I did 
>> it again I would've removed the shift cable to not damage it when drilling, 
>> but leaving it in seemed to work ok too. 
>>
>> The sheet metal screw tapped into the aluminum shifter pretty easily with 
>> just a little persuasion and seems to be holding pretty well. If it strips 
>> or comes loose I'll run a small machine bolt through with a nylock nut. 
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3929.jpeg][image: IMG_3931.jpeg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 14, 2023 at 1:27:08 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I would do. I don't think there's any other options.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 10:04:11 PM UTC-5 MTR wrote:
>>>
 I have a set Dia Comp knockoff silver shifters that have partially 
 broken, I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on how to fix them. See 
 the attached pictures to see how they're broken.

  I thought for repair would be to drill a tiny hole and thread a screw 
 in there to hold it together.

  Does anybody have any ideas?[image: IMG_3917 Large.jpeg][image: 
 IMG_3918 Large.jpeg]

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

[Eric Marth]

Looks fab, Nick. I've ridden just a little bit of the W&OD out of Arlington 
to Mt. Vernon. I'm down the highway a piece in Fredericksburg. 

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

>
> Nice day for a long bike ride Nick !  The fall lighting makes for lovely 
> photos indeed. 
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:25:47 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Nick, 
>>
>> Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks again to you all for your kind responses!  
>>>
>>> Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was probably 
>>> about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that section of the 
>>> canal.
>>>
>>> Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W&OD and cut north from 
>>> Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very 
>>> traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side about 
>>> 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have walked 
>>> it!
>>>
>>>  https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop Century
>>>
>>> Nick in FC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve 
 done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail 
 trail 
 across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like 
 it 
 would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get 
 a 
 shuttle.

 I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near 
 Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever 
 been caught out in!

 Brian
 Lexington Ky

 On Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott  
 wrote:

 Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden 
 countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I 
 was 
 a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my 
 folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and 
 trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my 
 Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out 
 on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like 
 it would be fun to try in the spring. 



 On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock!  That 
> guy is a bad ass.  
> Excellent work 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 
> thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our 
>> (the Atlantis and my) first century.
>>
>> We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. 
>>
>> First out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun 
>> to peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the 
>> frost 
>> started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through 
>> clouds:
>>
>> [image: 2023_091735.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_093939.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_095837.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural 
>> roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:
>>
>> [image: 2023_115654.jpeg]
>> [image: 2023_115813.jpeg]
>>
>> And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O Canal towpath. Then on home 
>> after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.
>>
>> [image: 2023_140349.jpeg]
>>
>> We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that 
>> had an ecosystem living on its back:
>>
>> [image: 2023_135651.jpeg]
>>
>> Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near 
>> a lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:
>>
>> [image: 2023_145241.jpeg]
>>
>> All in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold 
>> and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain 
>> here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis 
>> was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable 
>> terrain 
>> with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.
>>
>> [image: 2023_143422.jpeg]
>>
>> Nick A.
>> Falls Church VA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

SallyG: Where is this scene? Palmated trees and wild turkeys. Looks like 
the guy in back has a pretty long beard! 

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 3:04:53 PM UTC-5 SallyG wrote:

> [image: Turkeys .jpg]
> Thanksgiving Holiday Traffic!
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 10:52 AM Ted Durant  wrote:
>
>> Sunday morning traffic jam in SE Wisconsin
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
>> [image: Frame-19-11-2023-12-46-47.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Love those fendered fat tires, Coco!  :o) 

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 1:04:55 PM UTC-5 coco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Some from October in Squamish BC!
>
> On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 9:33:53 AM UTC-8 wrongw...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Tally-ho! 
>>
>> An early test run of my nearly-new (and absolutely new-to-me) 62cm 2018 
>> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. The bike provides a super stable and cushy ride, 
>> which I relish, but currently is a slight "work in progress" in terms of 
>> bars, racks, and other fitments. To be deployed in the future, some first 
>> generation Crust Towel Rack bars, Shimano bar-end shifters, Tektro brake 
>> levers, a rear Nitto Campee rack, and various tire packages. 
>>
>> This particular ride was along the White River State Trail, a section of 
>> the former Milwaukee Road rail corridor in southeast Wisconsin, which runs 
>> from Elkhorn in Walworth County, 19 miles eastward to Dover in Racine 
>> County, with a gap at Burlington. A section of the trail sits due north of 
>> the Wisconsin resort community of Lake Geneva ("Chicagoland's playground"). 
>> The first image was taken about a mile west of the Burlington trailhead, on 
>> the utility bridge a tad off the trail and perpendicular to it. The bridge 
>> spans the White River and allows the farm in the northern distance to 
>> trundle its vehicles across the river and the east-west running trail 
>> itself and so to access the fields on the southern side of the trail. It is 
>> a peaceful spot from which to watch the river meander and to espy Johnny 
>> and Mary Muskrat as they sally forth from their watery den.
>>
>> [image: DSC00998 - Copy.JPG]
>> The next three photos were taken in tiny and bucolic Springfield, 
>> approximately six miles from the western start of the trail in Elkhorn, 
>> along State Trunk Road 120 and Depot Street. The old Springfield Lumber, 
>> Feed & Fuel Co. buildings along the former railbed now serve as Pedal & 
>> Cup's bike rental depot. Note the bicycle shadow cast from the sign in the 
>> upper-right hand side of the image.
>>
>> [image: DSC00999 - Copy.JPG]
>>
>> [image: DSC01010 - Copy.JPG]
>>
>> Across the road from the Lumber Company resides the former Milwaukee Road 
>> train depot, preserved pretty much in its original 1911 livery, but now 
>> used not to sell tickets and ship steamer trunks but to purvey Pedal & 
>> Cup's delicious ice cream and coffee (alas, closed for the season).
>>
>>
>> [image: DSC01011 - Copy.JPG]
>>
>> Should any leisurely-minded and lollygagging-inclined fellow Rivendell 
>> enthusiasts within reach wish to come together for a party-paced ride some 
>> uncharacteristically balmy autumn day or sometime come Spring, do let me 
>> know. Cheese-and-watercress sandwiches and bergamot-infused tea shall be on 
>> the menu. 
>>
>>
>> Cheerio,
>>
>>
>> Peter (aka "Wrongway Pete")
>> Whitewater, Wisconsin
>>
>> *"For here is entertainment in excelsis, the sight, the sound and the 
>> scent of thingsWhy cycling for joy is not the most popular passtime on 
>> earth is still a mystery to me." ---Frank J. Urry, "SALUTE TO CYCLING"*
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Homer headbadge

[Eric Marth]

I think the Homer badges are pretty sweet. The one on Paul R's bike is 
weathered, patinated and brassy. It looks beautiful. I'm not sure if 
they're still made with same metals (doesn't look like it to my eye). 

On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 8:32:10 PM UTC-5 ian m wrote:

> LOVE the Saluki, Hunq, Cheviot, Appaloosa headbadges. Clem and Rosco are 
> fun. Hard to get excited about the Homer, I get it
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 6:58:18 PM UTC-5 Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>> The hunqapillar headbadge will always be the best.
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 3:36 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Science fact-
>>
>> There’s no finer headbadge in the universe than that of thee Rosco Bubbe.
>> -Kai
>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 5:24:44 PM UTC-5 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>> With the green twin top tube Rosco, it was that I just didn't like the 
>>> rocket ship head badge. With the Homer, I like the head badge design but 
>>> not the dark blue border. However, I did leave the head badge on my Wolbis.
>>>
>>> On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 09:39:25 UTC-8 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 lol.  As soon as I saw this, I knew you had to be the guy who removed 
 the head badge on what is now my Green Rosco.
 On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:51:52 AM UTC-6 Paul M wrote:

> Sold. Thanks!
>
> On Friday, 1 December 2023 at 05:34:25 UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Just removed this head badge from my new A. Homer Hilsen frameset. I 
>> like the look of the plain cream-colored head tube contrasting with the 
>> mustard frame. Perfect condition. Amazing what you can do with nylon 
>> tire 
>> irons. $35/shipped. Email me directly. Thanks, Paul in rainy Eugene 
>> Oregon.
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Brooks B68

[Eric Marth]

Keith: Maybe? I have been under the impression that Trade/BikeInn sell 
seconds, discounts and other miscellaneous stuff they get their hands on. 
They've had small amounts of B68s in the past when no one else did, long 
before Riv got Brooks on board for whatever weird deal they have going 
currently. 

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 11:30:53 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> Does this mean Riv can start selling the a la carte?
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 5:40:17 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Hope you guys get yours quick. I put in an order for another item a month 
>> ago at tradeinn and it still hasn’t shown up. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 3:46:44 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I grabbed one. My wife ordered one with her Platy, that has yet 
>>> to ship, and it got me wanting to try it out for myself. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 4:22:12 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 PSA: I bought mine here a while back and saw they have some in stock:

 Brooks england B68 Saddle, Brown | Bikeinn 
 
 tradeinn.com 
 
 [image: icon-180x180.png] 
 
  
 



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[RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Stephen, thank you! For a long time I used a Fuji X100, the first version. 
When that failed this summer I sent it to Fuji and they offered to sell me 
a refurbished X100 V. It wasn't cheap but it was cheaper than the secondary 
market and better than new prices when you can find them available from 
Fuji (usually, you can't!). Most of my recent pics are with the X100 V but 
there are a few sprinkled in there that are shot with my iPhone 8. 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 11:11:15 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Nice eric!
>
> I’m just working my way through a new roll of b/w in my rollei, excited to 
> see how they eventually come out. What are you using for your fotos? they 
> always look so good I’m guessing its not your phone
>
> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 3:08:46 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The colors are mostly gone from the trees and my photos. 
>>
>> [image: 231209 Ride 02.jpg]
>>
>> On Monday, December 4, 2023 at 7:46:05 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> Since the leaves fell around Halloween work and weather have curtailed 
>>> my adventures. I have mostly done this (commuting before and after dark) 
>>> twice a day.
>>> [image: 6D35E6BE-911E-4E21-836E-F046C00103D8.jpg]
>>> Afficianados will notice Kraynick's Bike Shop 
>>>  (now 
>>> under Rocky's hands) on the right and offer that my headlight casts a huge 
>>> front wheel and fender shadow. 
>>>
>>> It's my new B&M Eyc on its OEM fork crown mount which replaced my 
>>> decrepit, weather rotted Luxos which finally let go of one of the two 
>>> spades for the tail light output leads. Much smaller unit but that doesn't 
>>> preclude the need to shine over the rest of the wheel and fender when 
>>> mounted in the stock fork crown hole position. I'm going to try the mount 
>>> off the Luxos to see if I gain some elevation of the light and project less 
>>> shadow. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 3:34:53 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>>>
 Carrying on with Ted's seasonal riding photos threads, it's now fall.

 Around here the leaves are starting to change, but today was 
 summer-like in temperature; a beautiful day for a mostly roadish ride on a 
 singlespeed.

 [image: PXL_20231005_165659199-1800.jpg]

 [image: PXL_20231005_171538228-1800sm.jpg]

 [image: PXL_20231005_171618980_volpe-bog-1800sm.jpg]

 Looking forward to seeing where you all are riding this season.

 -Dave (near Boston)



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Re: [RBW] Re: Northern Hemisphere Fall / Autumn Riding Photos 2023

[Eric Marth]

That Ram is looking good Stephen!  

On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 5:58:47 PM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> Platypus in the Jungle
> Spent the past week camping at Edisto Island, SC. Quiet back roads, woodsy 
> trails and a few miles of freshly paved bike path.
>
> [image: 4773C539-A6CC-42EE-9359-FD8E0F28BDF0.jpeg]
>
>
> [image: 0C146380-4BCC-4B3B-B69F-26B64E2F49A9.jpeg]
>
> [image: 132634B3-3B2B-4F89-9E74-64C37B560F7D.jpeg]
>
> [image: 3B92F10E-FA5C-4D48-B29A-F648BC22014F.jpeg]
>
> [image: E9F9BA02-204C-4403-987D-32B56CD6A409.jpeg]
> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 5:18:27 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> I'll sneak this one in before the solstice and someone creates a 'Winter 
>> Rides' thread.
>> [image: IMG_2573.JPG]
>> Cheers, John
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 10:55:06 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> *Nice!*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 9:00 PM Josh (BertoBerg)  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_0415.jpeg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Let's see your Rivendell headbadges

[Eric Marth]

Steve — I love those pins, very cool! I've been looking out for some

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 4:27:58 PM UTC-5 dylantho...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> wow nice - especially the Baggins pin!
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 12:21:59 PM UTC-8 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> Nice! I wish I had the badges I used for the poster, but alas they were 
>> all loaners (Grant sent me a bunch for the original poster), or photos I 
>> found online. The only badge I have at this point is the one on my Clem. 
>> Tell me more about the 5th one from the left. Looks like it could be the 
>> original pewter, or maybe a pre-cloisonne. Some of yours also look flat - 
>> clue us in. 
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 3:02:58 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> My smattering of Rivendell badges has recently turned into a collection. 
>>> Do you have badges? I'd love to see them! 
>>>
>>> We know Marty has an impressive collection and he's made a beautiful 
>>> print-ready poster he's shared with all of us. 
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/mLyCdRjiuog/m/nqX77si_AQAJ
>>>
>>> Here's the six I've collected as displayed in my shop :o) 
>>>
>>> [image: badges small.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD2 triple, 175mm

[Eric Marth]

Hi everyone — The crankset is sold. Thanks!

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:06:06 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Yep.  My crank arms are 165.  Just looked them up.  I could use the 
> chainrings but not the crank arms.
>
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:02:19 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It's 110 BCD for the bigger rings, 74 granny ring. Nice cranks, nice 
>> price, but the length of the arms might be a stretch for you. You're 
>> probably used to 170mm (or shorter). 
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 8:15:18 AM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like that but I think I need a BCD 110 for my Betty.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 3:19:39 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: 2F5171D3-638E-4337-8476-972CEA76C2BC.jpeg]

 $75 plus shipping to you. It’s a 48/36/24. Pedal washers and bolts 
 included. Thanks! 




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[RBW] Re: FS: Vintage Rivendell hooded sweatshirt

[Eric Marth]

Sold, thank you :o) 

On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 2:56:56 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi all — I have a Rivendell sweatshirt for sale. Asking $45 plus shipping 
> to you. 
>
> It's labeled an XXL, manufactured by the Cotton Bureau, made in USA and 
> 95% cotton, 5% poly. It's heavyweight cotton and very similar to Champion 
> Reverse Weave sweatshirts. 
>
> [image: IMG_9659.JPG]
>
> Laid flat it's 27-1/2" pit to pit and 27-1/2" top of shoulder to bottom 
> hem. It fits a bit smaller than the measurements suggest. I'd say it fits 
> between a large and extra large. It almost works for me but it's a bit 
> long. I'm 5'10" and 175.  
>
> There is some staining and discoloration at the cuffs and collar. It's 
> definitely seen some wear, there are holes at the cuffs and a small hole at 
> the front pocket. Drawstring is missing. 
>
> [image: IMG_9661.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_9666.JPG]
>
> I think this is from around the early 2000s, I found a listing on the 
> Rivendell site through archive.org date 2004. 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-12-27 at 2.22.57 PM.png]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: New MKS Pretzel pedals coming out next month

[Eric Marth]

Justin et al: Anyone had a chance to try these pretzels yet? Let me know, 
very curious. 

Anyone remember those dreadful "Must be the pretzels!" commercials from the 
mid 90s? 

https://youtu.be/0yMoV0BE-mI?si=110yTxnvbkaaLgs6

On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 9:10:26 AM UTC-5 Justin Kennedy wrote:

> I just received two sets of these pedals from Japan (one in silver and one 
> in black). Haven't put them on a bike yet but they're essentially MKS 
> Monarch's with the Riv pedal wings 
>  built in. Some 
> minor differences but that's the gist of it. Looks like they're panda-able, 
> too, same way the Monarchs can be switched out to mix and match colors. 
> These were $50 (shipping included) from Amazon Japan but looks like the 
> price has since gone up. Blue Lug is selling them, too, for just under $50 
> but gotta pay that $$$ shipping. Anyone else tried them yet? 
>
> https://global.bluelug.com/mks-pretzel-pedal-silver-1.html 
>
> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:33:58 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy wrote:
>
>> It kind of looks like a mash-up of my two favorite MKS pedals, the 
>> Sneaker Pedal and the Gamma/Monarch. I'm def curious about these. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:48:58 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Must be a MKS thing, pretzel, taco... what's next the nacho pedals???
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 12:35:10 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’ve seen it in-person and … I’ll pass. 

 On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 3:50:19 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> @Bill
>
> Thank you for your information. 
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 2:36 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> "Curious as to whether or not they would accept the cage extension 
>> that currently RBW sells."
>>
>> The Pretzel pedal has the cage extension BUILT IN.  You won't need 
>> the cage extension with the Pretzel.  It's already in there.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:45:51 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I came across  these new MKS Pretzel pedals, while looking for 
>> something else on the MKS website. They definitely look like they a 
>> twist 
>> to them, like a pretzel.  Curious as to whether or not they would accept 
>> the cage extension that currently RBW sells.  
>>
>> https://www.mkspedal.com/?q=en/news/node/453
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos

[Eric Marth]

Nice pics everyone, always enjoy these threads!

On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> [image: IMG_2831.jpeg]
>
> Here’s a snapshot from this morning’s ride. Can’t resist stopping at the 
> CalTech campus because of the variety in architecture. 
>
> New Leo is fully dialed in. Such a joy to ride. 
>
>
> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 1:28:31 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Paul & old pal, Rich. I appreciate the kind words. This all 
>> brings me great joy. 
>>
>> Jock 
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:05 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jock Dewey, That bike is a vision of the perfectly proportioned bicycle 
>>> in my opinion. Uncluttered, though there is a place for utilitarian racks, 
>>> bags, etc. on bikes for other uses than the pure joy of riding. A lot of 
>>> thought went into it, obviously, from the quietly understated color to the 
>>> wheels, fenders, even the Acorn bag!  (Great backdrop too! How about a 
>>> "Dewey bikes" calendar in 2025?)
>>> Paul Germain
>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:58:49 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 Here’s CA winter yesterday…grey day by the bay. 

 Jock



 On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 2:04 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> Well, I guess I'm back up for starting the thread.
>
> We haven't had much winter weather here, meaning no real snow, yet. A 
> couple of days ago we had a beautiful, sunny day, temps around 40, and 
> (for 
> us) not a lot of wind. I took advantage and did the 
> round-the-city-mostly-bike-paths loop. This is on the Hank Aaron trail. 
> American Family Field isn't seeing much use these days, but it's just a 
> handful of weeks before pitchers and catchers report down south.
> [image: IMG_1825.jpeg]
>
> A bit more blustery and a bit of sleet yesterday, but I managed to 
> sneak in a bit of a ride. Today pal Kurt and I did a 100km effort. 
> Forecast 
> was for temps around 30 and some sunshine. You can see how that turned 
> out. 
> I'll take 100km on 1/1, though! Kurt's riding his Gunnar Sport. I bet 
> that 
> bike has over 30,000 kms on it, including an epic 200km on a bitter cold 
> January 31st, to get him an R-12 just under the wire.
> [image: IMG_1829.jpeg]
>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Wooly Warm sweaters: Washing and shrinking

[Eric Marth]

I have two of the Rivendell Wooly Warm roll-neck sweaters. One's navy, 
one's olive. I got them both new. I've found that after washing them 
cold/gentle in my washing machine and air drying that they shrink. Has 
anyone else encountered this issue? 

In a recent blog Grant wrote "Wash them warm or cool, and let them air dry. 
You may need to do it once a year." I would recommend hand-washing them 
cold, as infrequently as possible.

I've washed my navy sweater cold/gentle three times, air dried, and it gets 
smaller every time. I haven't taken before-and-after measurements but I can 
certainly tell from the fit. The sleeves are shorter, neck is tighter, 
tighter around the torso as well. 

They're nice sweaters in great colors but require a bit more care than the 
rest of my wool, which I'm careful with anyway. 

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Re: [RBW] Northern Hemisphere Winter 2023-2024 Ride Photos

[Eric Marth]

Hi Steve — Yep, east of the Blue Ridge in Fredericksburg. 

That's a nice lookin' Ritchey, looks like a blast! 

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 10:14:18 AM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

>
> Eric, looks like you have some nice riding up there in VA (east of the 
> Blue Ridge?)
> Love the pic of the bike silhouetted against the cornfield. No snow in 
> where I am (yet). Here's a pic from yesterday's ride (trigger warning - non 
> Riv content):
>
> [image: 0ADC8C0F-74C4-4086-B005-1D6F0F254F3A_1_201_a.jpeg] 
>
> Steve in Asheville, NC
> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 6:53:16 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Hello friends — Here is a pair of photos from yesterday and today's rides 
>> in Virginia. We got a few inches of snow earlier this week, overnight temps 
>> on Tuesday night got down to 9º. The roads are in pretty good shape without 
>> much slush or mess. More in the forecast for tonight and tomorrow. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_9931.JPG]
>>
>> Cold ride, around 28º and 18 miles with nice sunshine. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_9946.JPG]
>>
>> And today, overcast and a balmy 40º. 
>>
>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 10:29:36 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Nice pics everyone, always enjoy these threads!
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 11:30:37 AM UTC-5 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: IMG_2831.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> Here’s a snapshot from this morning’s ride. Can’t resist stopping at 
>>>> the CalTech campus because of the variety in architecture. 
>>>>
>>>> New Leo is fully dialed in. Such a joy to ride. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 1:28:31 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Paul & old pal, Rich. I appreciate the kind words. This all 
>>>>> brings me great joy. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Jock 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 7:05 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jock Dewey, That bike is a vision of the perfectly proportioned 
>>>>>> bicycle in my opinion. Uncluttered, though there is a place for 
>>>>>> utilitarian 
>>>>>> racks, bags, etc. on bikes for other uses than the pure joy of riding. A 
>>>>>> lot of thought went into it, obviously, from the quietly understated 
>>>>>> color 
>>>>>> to the wheels, fenders, even the Acorn bag!  (Great backdrop too! How 
>>>>>> about 
>>>>>> a "Dewey bikes" calendar in 2025?)
>>>>>> Paul Germain
>>>>>> Midlothian, Va.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 10:58:49 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here’s CA winter yesterday…grey day by the bay. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jock
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 2:04 PM Ted Durant  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, I guess I'm back up for starting the thread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We haven't had much winter weather here, meaning no real snow, yet. 
>>>>>>>> A couple of days ago we had a beautiful, sunny day, temps around 40, 
>>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>>> (for us) not a lot of wind. I took advantage and did the 
>>>>>>>> round-the-city-mostly-bike-paths loop. This is on the Hank Aaron 
>>>>>>>> trail. 
>>>>>>>> American Family Field isn't seeing much use these days, but it's just 
>>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>> handful of weeks before pitchers and catchers report down south.
>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_1825.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A bit more blustery and a bit of sleet yesterday, but I managed to 
>>>>>>>> sneak in a bit of a ride. Today pal Kurt and I did a 100km effort. 
>>>>>>>> Forecast 
>>>>>>>> was for temps around 30 and some sunshine. You can see how that turned 
>>>>>>>> out. 
>>>>>>>> I'll take 100km on 1/1, though! Kurt's riding his Gunnar Sport. I bet 
>>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>&

[RBW] Re: For Sale: NOS vintage Rivendell cycling cap

[Eric Marth]

Trade pending, thanks for all the interest! 

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:12:13 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: IMG_0309.jpg]
>
> This vintage cap is in excellent, unworn condition. Eight panel made by 
> Pace Sport Wear in the USA. Cap is yellow buttercream and a brownish gray 
> with green details on the letters and logos. Bright white sweat band, new 
> cap profile. Cap and elastic have not been shaped by wear, tried on at 
> most, does not appear to have been worn or sweated in. 
>
> [image: IMG_0306.jpg]
>
> Asking $65 shipped CONUS. Would trade for a VAR third hand tool. 
>
> Thanks!  :0) 
>
> [image: IMG_0310.JPG]
>
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[RBW] Re: For Sale: NOS vintage Rivendell cycling cap

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Caroline, all traded, just waiting for my package to arrive, due on 
Saturday :0) 

On Tuesday, February 13, 2024 at 5:48:05 PM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:

> if the trade falls through let me know - would love to add this to my 
> collection <3
>
> On Sunday, February 11, 2024 at 9:29:00 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Trade pending, thanks for all the interest! 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 7:12:13 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_0309.jpg]
>>>
>>> This vintage cap is in excellent, unworn condition. Eight panel made by 
>>> Pace Sport Wear in the USA. Cap is yellow buttercream and a brownish gray 
>>> with green details on the letters and logos. Bright white sweat band, new 
>>> cap profile. Cap and elastic have not been shaped by wear, tried on at 
>>> most, does not appear to have been worn or sweated in. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0306.jpg]
>>>
>>> Asking $65 shipped CONUS. Would trade for a VAR third hand tool. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!  :0) 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0310.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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Re: Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Eric Marth]

Apologies for the double post, great looking build as usual, Jason! 

On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:10:37 AM UTC-4 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:

> Sure is!  I'm actually working on a different cockpit area, Shimano bb, 
> possibly a headset change out, and seatpost/saddle combo to bring the price 
> down.  It's too overbuilt for a simpleone, and I've out priced it with all 
> the fancy bits.  It really needed new life pumped into it with the paint, 
> guess I overstoked myself with the build.  I just purchased a hunqapillar 
> and quickbeam so the SO needs to go as baby #5 is due any day now and my 
> n+1 is 1 too heavy...
>
> I should have a more reasonable complete built up by next week.  FYI the 
> light and rack are not included :)
>
> And as mentioned in my FS post, yes I'm in Omaha 
>
> cheers, 
>
> Jason
>
> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:51:41 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Isn't this the same bike posted by  Jason Zakaras? 
>>
>> On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 7:46:37 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Simple One 
>>> 56cm 
>>> Location unclear 
>>> Sans wheelset: $1,500
>>> Frame: $900 
>>> Complete: ??
>>>
>>> A fancy and clean build: Paul flip-flop, SP dyno hub and Edeluxe, Herse 
>>> crank, Paul brakes, Campy headset and more. 
>>>
>>> Crust Trader: https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/142777
>>>
>>> [image: d38e3eb2cfbcd304d65a994c_h.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 1:58:20 PM UTC-4 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Saw this on Craigslist 
 
  
 last week, but the owner didn't want to ship it to me. He now posted it on 
 Paceline, too.
 Someone should go buy this and then sell it to me! Ha. Seems like a 
 good price, but I'm not sure about the seat post.
 https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=288265

 Cheers,
 Matt
 On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 10:52:37 AM UTC-5 Huston wrote:

> Hunqapillar: 58cm; modified with disc brakes
> Vermont
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225199291886
>
> --Huston
> Lexington, KY
> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 9:15:54 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Liz continues to hook up the 58cm frames in the DC market... even 
>> when they're listed as 60cm frames! (Like the Hillborne I got last year) 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 11, 2022 at 6:51:20 AM UTC-4 Elisabeth Sherwood 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice looking 58cm SimpleOne for sale in Washington, DC!
>>>
>>> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/bik/7544082611.html
>>>
>>> -- Liz
>>> Washington, DC
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 7:02:26 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
 62cm, double top tube
 $1,000
 Havre de Grace, MD


 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/659471725439195/?hoisted=false&ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post

 [image: 309111465_5068415423263209_7180659657528188289_n.jpg]

 On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 1:10:10 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams 
 wrote:

> Clem L
> 59cm
> $1350
> Napa, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/napa-rivendell-clem-59-cm/7543048146.html
>
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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Eric Marth]

Beauty! Thanks you all for sharing these pics

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 8:28:24 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:

> My rebel non drive side shot
>
> Eric
> Dublin OH
>
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022, Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> Some pics from this past week’s rides:
>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> From today.
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 7:46 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Leah for sharing those nice fall Platy pics. I thought it'd be 
>> fun if we all had a place to share some nice fall pics. Here are a few of 
>> mine from this weekend. 
>>
>>
>> [image: IMG_3200.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_3235.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_3163.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Paul! I do enjoy having a bit of organization going on, it works in 
my favor. I am getting to the point where I need to think about some 
further infrastructure and potentially building out some more wall space 
for shelving and storage. 

Your Nishiki sounds fun. I'm glad I didn't run into any sizing problems 
with this project, there were enough problems of other kinds to contend 
with. 

Mel does enjoy the bike, it's a nice change from the Trek Pure 3-speed she 
had before which was just fine but a little hefty, a little difficult to 
push up hills and maneuver in general. 

Jim — I appreciate it! Thanks for watchin' 

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 12:21:18 AM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> That was such a great, calming video, fantastic build, beautiful bike. 
> Thanks Eric. 
>
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 8:10:00 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Last fall my partner inherited an old bike. It's an SR frame that her dad 
>> purchased for her mom brand new in San Diego in 1987. It was over-geared, 
>> set up with narrow tires on 27" wheels and needed a few more changes to 
>> make it more comfortable and practical. I set out for nice wide gearing, 
>> bars with more sweep back and maxing out the clearance for plump 38mm 
>> tires. 
>>
>> The build video is up here , detailing all 
>> of the changes along the way. 
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> [image: SR1.jpg]
>>
>> [image: SR5.jpg]
>>
>> [image: SR7.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] FS: Merino wool, cashmere, leather platform cycling shoes

[Eric Marth]

Hi all, a few things for sale. Please respond off list. Payment via PayPal 
Friends and/or Family. Prices do not include actual shipping to you. 

Thanks for having a look! 

Pictures are here 


01. Midweight 100% merino button collar turtleneck — $10
Charcoal heather. From Banana Republic, nice medium weight for riding. 
Would be good with a wool baselayer beneath. Just a touch small for me in 
overall length. I wish it fit, nice traditional (Bobbish) vibe. Labelled a 
small. Plenty of stretch. Measures 18" pit to pit and 25" from top over 
shoulder to bottom hem. Reinforced patches on elbows, no issues. 

02. Crewneck 100% cashmere sweater — $10
Charcoal heather. Moth holes *abound! *A nice pre-abused layer for you for 
the softest, most luxurious natural fiber insulation (with holes). More 
holes than you can see, zoom in for more. Labeled a medium. Kirkland *Signature 
*(that's Costco). Pit to pit is 22", overall length is 27". 

03. Icebreaker merino blend baselayer — $10
A dark steel blue baselayer. The labels are faded, can't read the material 
content. But this feels like mostly merino wool plus some nylon/polyester. 
It's labelled a small. Pit to pit is 20", overall length is 25". No holes 
or issues I can detect. 

04. Cycleur de Luxe shoes — $20
Brown leather shoes from Belgian company Cycleur de Luxe. Made in Portugal, 
labeled a size 45. I would say, imprecisely, these fit like an 11 in US 
mens sizing. I'm happy to provide detailed measurements, just let me know 
what you're looking for. 

Flat sole. No dropped seams or stitches. Some wear and patina as pictured. 
Please note the wear of the heel of the sole, typical of both shoes. These 
show an outline for cleats but that's an affectation. Simple leather shoes 
with a flat sole if you dig that sort of thing. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Merino wool, cashmere, leather platform cycling shoes

[Eric Marth]

Hi all, most of these items have sold. Thanks for the inquiries. 

Still have the wholly holy Costco cashmere. 

On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 4:29:06 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi all, a few things for sale. Please respond off list. Payment via PayPal 
> Friends and/or Family. Prices do not include actual shipping to you. 
>
> Thanks for having a look! 
>
> Pictures are here 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1e75FdtH7NkkTPA1JzS61shcLvwFpzeCU?usp=sharing>
>
> 01. Midweight 100% merino button collar turtleneck — $10
> Charcoal heather. From Banana Republic, nice medium weight for riding. 
> Would be good with a wool baselayer beneath. Just a touch small for me in 
> overall length. I wish it fit, nice traditional (Bobbish) vibe. Labelled a 
> small. Plenty of stretch. Measures 18" pit to pit and 25" from top over 
> shoulder to bottom hem. Reinforced patches on elbows, no issues. 
>
> 02. Crewneck 100% cashmere sweater — $10
> Charcoal heather. Moth holes *abound! *A nice pre-abused layer for you 
> for the softest, most luxurious natural fiber insulation (with holes). More 
> holes than you can see, zoom in for more. Labeled a medium. Kirkland 
> *Signature 
> *(that's Costco). Pit to pit is 22", overall length is 27". 
>
> 03. Icebreaker merino blend baselayer — $10
> A dark steel blue baselayer. The labels are faded, can't read the material 
> content. But this feels like mostly merino wool plus some nylon/polyester. 
> It's labelled a small. Pit to pit is 20", overall length is 25". No holes 
> or issues I can detect. 
>
> 04. Cycleur de Luxe shoes — $20
> Brown leather shoes from Belgian company Cycleur de Luxe. Made in 
> Portugal, labeled a size 45. I would say, imprecisely, these fit like an 11 
> in US mens sizing. I'm happy to provide detailed measurements, just let me 
> know what you're looking for. 
>
> Flat sole. No dropped seams or stitches. Some wear and patina as pictured. 
> Please note the wear of the heel of the sole, typical of both shoes. These 
> show an outline for cleats but that's an affectation. Simple leather shoes 
> with a flat sole if you dig that sort of thing. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Brass on Newbaums

[Eric Marth]

Hey now, I like these brass and copper wire wraps! 

I would think that wrapping the wire tight and finishing it by twisting two 
ends together somehow would hold in place pretty well. I might have to 
experiment. 

Will look great once it starts to weather! 

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 1:51:37 AM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:

>
> That looks good!
> I did a similar wrap a few years ago on a couple different bikes, also 
> using art project wire!
>
> https://www.biketinker.com/2007/projects/copper-wire-to-finish-off-your-bar-wrap/
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif (but Yamhill County, Ore back then)
>
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>
>> I'm in the process of tinkering on the Appaloosa (going to SS finally) 
>> and the process has involved several big changes and some not-so-big 
>> changes...namely this one.
>>
>> Eric Marth's videos have inspired me to add more shiny brass bits to my 
>> bikes, but without sending $5 per brass bolt! Instead, I had some leftover 
>> brass wire (several hundred feet!) from a little art project I finished 
>> several years ago now, and I have also always wanted to try the twine wrap 
>> on the newbaums. In this case, I didn't want to buy some twine and figured 
>> "Hey, I've got this narrow gauge brass wire, lets try that on my chainstay 
>> wrap in case it turns out like crap." This was the result (with 2 year old 
>> newbaums):
>> [image: PXL_20221025_011343607 (1).jpg]
>>
>> Not the cleanest result, but the brass obviously has less twine-like 
>> properties and forces a much tighter wrap and is less forgiving in the 
>> final look. The final step of bringing the knot under the wrap is also a 
>> bit of a nuance and is not as "clean," although I'm hoping to improve it 
>> with some more attempts. For those curious, a 1.5m length piece of this 
>> wire is 2.5g.
>>
>> I'm also going to try using brass washers under my stainless bolts to add 
>> a bit of shiny to an otherwise mundane fastener...and those are only $0.10 
>> a piece!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin, "fools gold" in Sacramento
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brass on Newbaums

[Eric Marth]

I wonder if brass crimp clamps would work? 

Brokebike — Yeah, I appreciate buying from McMaster and getting US made 
brass bolts but at $5+/each, well, that's really nuts. I mean... bolts. I 
mean *crazy*. 

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 12:18:42 PM UTC-4 Collin A wrote:

> The other alternative is to simply solder the connections (since its 
> brass) rather than rely on the twine-knot method normally used (which 
> definitely gives a very solid connection. I'm hesitant to try this on thin 
> aluminum handlebars though...
>
> I'm looking forward to the more muted color too, its way too shiny right 
> now, ha!
>
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 5:36:06 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey now, I like these brass and copper wire wraps! 
>>
>> I would think that wrapping the wire tight and finishing it by twisting 
>> two ends together somehow would hold in place pretty well. I might have to 
>> experiment. 
>>
>> Will look great once it starts to weather! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 1:51:37 AM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That looks good!
>>> I did a similar wrap a few years ago on a couple different bikes, also 
>>> using art project wire!
>>>
>>> https://www.biketinker.com/2007/projects/copper-wire-to-finish-off-your-bar-wrap/
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Sonoma County, Calif (but Yamhill County, Ore back then)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 I'm in the process of tinkering on the Appaloosa (going to SS finally) 
 and the process has involved several big changes and some not-so-big 
 changes...namely this one.

 Eric Marth's videos have inspired me to add more shiny brass bits to my 
 bikes, but without sending $5 per brass bolt! Instead, I had some leftover 
 brass wire (several hundred feet!) from a little art project I finished 
 several years ago now, and I have also always wanted to try the twine wrap 
 on the newbaums. In this case, I didn't want to buy some twine and figured 
 "Hey, I've got this narrow gauge brass wire, lets try that on my chainstay 
 wrap in case it turns out like crap." This was the result (with 2 year old 
 newbaums):
 [image: PXL_20221025_011343607 (1).jpg]

 Not the cleanest result, but the brass obviously has less twine-like 
 properties and forces a much tighter wrap and is less forgiving in the 
 final look. The final step of bringing the knot under the wrap is also a 
 bit of a nuance and is not as "clean," although I'm hoping to improve it 
 with some more attempts. For those curious, a 1.5m length piece of this 
 wire is 2.5g.

 I'm also going to try using brass washers under my stainless bolts to 
 add a bit of shiny to an otherwise mundane fastener...and those are only 
 $0.10 a piece!

 Cheers,
 Collin, "fools gold" in Sacramento

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[Eric Marth]

Thanks everyone for the nice comments :) 

JohnS: Nice build! Yeah, your Shogun is quite similar to our SR. The SR is 
Champion tubing, too. 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 1:20:20 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Hello Eric,
>
> Very impressed with your SR build and your shop! Looks like everything has 
> a place and everything is in it's place. I 'm going to have to work a 
> little harder to bring my builds up to the level of yours, the homemade 
> badge puts it over the top.
>
> I built up a Shogun Cr-Mo 400 mixte for my wife almost 2 yrs ago. It looks 
> very similar to the your SR, lugs, stays, accent paint, pin strips all look 
> the same, the big difference is the Shogun's tubing is Tange Champion #5. 
> Any who, high lights for the Shogun build include Mafac Racers with VO 
> adjustable toe in brake pad holders, Coda brake levers, Deore XT shift 
> levers, Ultegra FD, STX RD,  Shimano 7 speed freewheel, Sugino 165 cranks, 
> 46/34 chain rings, 700C Wolber GTX rims with Suntour GPX hubs, RH Stampede 
> Pass tires, EPI grips (from Rivendell), Specialized dirt drop stem an a 
> no-name riser bar. All works very well together and my wife is very happy 
> with it. 
>
> Got to keep them vintage mixtes rolling!
>
> JohnS
>
> [image: Shogun_0.jpg]
>
> [image: Shogun_1.jpg]
>
> [image: Shogun_2.jpg]
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:13:15 AM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That's as lovely as the fall scenery in your other post.
>>
>> I was reading Classics Rendezvous post earlier this afternoon on 
>> resto-modding old ubikes to give them new leases for everyday, urban 
>> riding; not the usual classic period racing bikes the site is devoted to. 
>> Someone posted a photo of a lovely Dawes mixte, *toute* *531* IIRC, and 
>> very nicely built up, and I sighed and thought how nice it would be to have 
>> a nice-riding mixte frame built up with good parts *and decent tires!!!** as 
>> an upright addition to my small stable. Nice riding mixte with RH tires and 
>> an obscure Sa 3-speed hub -- lovely.
>>
>> Your SR is a worthy peer.
>>
>> ** I've owned and refurbished at least 1 mixte (Nishiki; and very many 
>> other roadsters, Raleigh and Schwinn and clones) and while it turned out 
>> well, it just wasn't a joy to ride, so I sold it on. I daresay that the 
>> pedestrian tires were largely the culprit.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 6:10 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Last fall my partner inherited an old bike. It's an SR frame that her 
>>> dad purchased for her mom brand new in San Diego in 1987. It was 
>>> over-geared, set up with narrow tires on 27" wheels and needed a few more 
>>> changes to make it more comfortable and practical. I set out for nice wide 
>>> gearing, bars with more sweep back and maxing out the clearance for plump 
>>> 38mm tires. 
>>>
>>> The build video is up here <https://youtu.be/Z9O-J5JbHfE>, detailing 
>>> all of the changes along the way. 
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> [image: SR1.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: SR5.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: SR7.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Eric Marth]

Loving these pics! 

Thanks for the Nutmeg dispatch aleksandrusherenko. 

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 2:55:27 PM UTC-4 Will M wrote:

> Quickbeaming in the Palisades (NJ): 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/millhiser/52461098124
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 11:12:34 AM UTC-4 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> [image: 788DE312-3054-46CC-9E5C-EBEBBB53676E.jpeg]
>>
>> From this week’s trip to Orange County, CA. Slightly lacking in foliage 
>> but…
>> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:01:19 PM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Some pics from this past week’s rides:
>>> [image: image2.jpeg][image: image3.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> From today.
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 7:46 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to Leah for sharing those nice fall Platy pics. I thought it'd 
>>> be fun if we all had a place to share some nice fall pics. Here are a few 
>>> of mine from this weekend. 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3200.JPG]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3235.JPG]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3163.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[Eric Marth]

That's a nice mixte, Paul, thanks for sharing. 

Is that a Suntour Compe-V high normal front derailer? I *love* the cage on 
those but don't think I'd be down for the high normal arrangement. 

That's something that hasn't come up in all our discussions of rapid rise, 
the few high-normal front mechs out there! 

On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Nice looking mixte Paul. I see you have an Uno seat post as well. As I 
> recall the Shogun had an odd size, not too many options to chose from.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:46:16 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got the 1973 Nishiki low step 22" frame going and it's a nice riding 
>> bike.
>>
>> I have a tan saddle on the way and a few other changes planned.
>>
>> Remarkable to think it will be 50 years old next year and going strong.
>>
>> When I get too decrepit to straddle a diamond frame perhaps I can 
>> straddle this. 
>> Ha! 
>> Or acquire a low step Riv.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas.
>> .
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Eric Marth]

Great pics Takashi and Brady :) 

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:

> After all the colorful photos, Brady's snowy photo almost looks like 
> monochrome (except for the bike).
>
> Here are couple of photos from today's ride.
> It was like a bit too late for the peak colorfulness, but it was still 
> enjoyable.
>
> Takashi
>
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Re: [RBW] Using Your Rivendell Vs. Being Precious: A Spectrum

[Eric Marth]

First, I have to say that bikes like Pam's Betty are, to my mind and eye, 
the *most *beautiful. Those that show years of love, utility, wear and tens 
of thousands of miles on the road. More beautiful to me by far than a 
perfect fresh paint job. 

I don't go out of my way to abuse my Rivs but I'm a bit careful and when 
the occasional dumb ding or mishap occurs (always my fault! Sometime in 
collaboration with the cruel and indifferent Old Man Gravity) it stings but 
I do my best to let that go. I'm not so much concerned about scrapes, 
dings, chips but I am bothered by real damage that requires replacement or 
repair. 

My Hillborne was repainted by a local frame builder and the paint job is a 
*little 
brittle.* Like, paint popping off from chain slap, paint popping off from 
removing the frame pump. I'm trying to not be too precious about it. 

My Appaloosa is about a year old. This summer I leaned it up against a 
building and I didn't do a good job. It pitched over and I thought "Oh 
*brother*." There's a scratch in my brake lever, can't detect any other 
damage. 

When I had my Surly that sucker pitched over off the kickstand more times 
than I could count. I almost got used to it. Never had any damage to my 
paint, racks. Some scratches to my bar end shifters. 

I have a harder time with true damage to a frame or component where 
something ends up broken. At a bike rack I just don't want someone else to 
do something stupid and bend my rack struts or damage my Schmidt lamp. I 
did get pushed over by a van at low speed in January of 2022 (no injury to 
me, kinda scary, I'm okay). It ruined a wheel (made it into a taco) and 
bent the fork. That was painful and harder to deal with. Appaloosa is road 
worthy as of late spring with a new Rich-built Cliffhanger with a Son hub. 

Enduring damage to a bike that puts it out of commission can "do terrible 
things to, let us say, the gyroscope of the soul," as Tom Wolfe wrote in 
the Right Stuff. 

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 7:26:51 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I like to think I am both. Ride it hard, lavish it with love & hope for 
> the best. I’ve owned bikes more “precious” that most Rivs, custom hand made 
> by one craftsman bikes, and those makers share Grants sentiment. These 
> (bikes) are tools first. That said, nothing wrong with protecting your 
> investment. It’s very hard to not want to protect the beauty of an object 
> someone worked so hard to make beautiful.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 6:15 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most notable 
> to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell section. In 
> sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people riding beater bikes 
> instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - because those 
> tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will 
> not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs 
> who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was 
> the bike for?
>
>
> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 favorite 
> bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because I bought it 
> to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do guard it from 
> that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping and traveling 
> with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and then I still am 
> tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered 
> about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while 
> locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t 
> think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to 
> bring.” And she was right, and I did. 
>
> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her bike 
> is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of rust 
> cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes and the 
> elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries about it. 
> She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it was 
> still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). But 
> she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, eyes 
> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to 
> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has 
> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that 
> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have it 
> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she said 
> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who among 
> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike fell 
> off a cliff. 
>
> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? Th

[RBW] FS: Reyn Spooner, MUSA shorts, gloves, wool, cashmere

[Eric Marth]

Hi everyone. I have a few things for sale and a few things for free today. 

Prices below do not include actual shipping to you. All prices are net to 
me, PayPal Friends & Family or Venmo.

Pictures are here. 


Thanks!

01. Reyn Spooner pullover, $25
Made in Hawaii, blend of cotton and poly. Nice tight floral print. It's a 
pullover with a chest pocket, doesn't button all the way down. These have 
appeared in the Riv blog and tumblr in the past and maybe Harry has like 70 
of them? It's 23" pit to pit and 30" from top of shoulder to bottom hem. 

02. Rivendell MUSA shorts, $40
These are a size small and they have been modified for a 6" inseam. Much 
less baggy than the standard-issue Riv MUSA shorts as a result. The MUSA 
label was lost in the process. While labeled a small I'm a 34" waist and 
these fit, a little snug but I did not find them uncomfortable. Good 
elastic in the belt. Button missing from rear right pocket, other button 
intact. Front pockets are nylon, not mesh like more recent versions. No 
issues. Reflectors at back.

03. Bear Bottom shorts, $10
A cotton and spandex blend, these have a 5.5" inseam. Pretty trim fit (not 
billowy). Lots of stretch at the waist, they measure 13" laid flat. I'm a 
34" waist and they fit me. Good as non-kit riding shorts. 

04. Pearl Izumi Gavia gloves, $15
These are in nice shape, labeled a size large. Here's the description from 
manufacturer: "Designed with AmFIB® and AmFIB® Block fabric combination for 
water and wind protection the Pearl izumi Gavia Glove is a versatile glove 
for cooler weather. Made with a Silicone screened palm for ultimate 
performance grip and articulated with a Neoprene stretch wrist gusset for 
ease of movement. This glove offers both flexibility and comfort with a 
low-profile wrist closure and locking zipper. The soft Microfleece wiping 
surface makes for easy maintenance.Contents: 60% Nylon / 25% Polyester / 5% 
Neoprene / 5% Synthetic Leather / 5% Polyurethane." 

05. Costco/Kirkland Cashmere, free for shipping
It's a size medium, 100% cashmere sweater. With plenty of holes! Lots of 
holes. More than you're thinking. Still a nice soft layer, good for fall. 
Pit to pit is 22", overall length is 27". I got this used, it came with the 
holes, I store my wool properly. 

06. Smartwool balaclava, free for shipping
It's a 100% merino wool balaclava with lots of holes! I inserted a map to 
try and highlight the holes. I've worn this in the cold and the holes don't 
actually seem to be a problem. I got this used, it came with the holes. 

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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Eric Marth]

Lovely, Peter 

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:21:35 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow amazing Peter! I've tried (and failed) on numerous occasions to keep 
> one of those alive. I got tired of killing them. 
>
> All these beautiful shots inspired me to go find a "fall" photo in Los 
> Angeles! I will find one for y'all.
>
> Joe in Los Angeles
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 10:02 AM Peter White  wrote:
>
>> [image: L1000151.jpeg]
>>
>> The Japanese Maple tree in front of the shop last week.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 2:29 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Great pics Takashi and Brady :) 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:
>>>
>>>> After all the colorful photos, Brady's snowy photo almost looks like 
>>>> monochrome (except for the bike).
>>>>
>>>> Here are couple of photos from today's ride.
>>>> It was like a bit too late for the peak colorfulness, but it was still 
>>>> enjoyable.
>>>>
>>>> Takashi
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Reyn Spooner, MUSA shorts, gloves, wool, cashmere

[Eric Marth]

Everything is gone 

except the 

FREE

Costco 

Cashmere 

O la la! 

Okay, I understand why no one wants it! 

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 11:05:41 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi everyone. I have a few things for sale and a few things for free today. 
>
> Prices below do not include actual shipping to you. All prices are net to 
> me, PayPal Friends & Family or Venmo.
>
> Pictures are here. 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Hv0lXusJkj4-1rUTzS0QTyssrvlqoK5h?usp=sharing>
>
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Hv0lXusJkj4-1rUTzS0QTyssrvlqoK5h?usp=sharing>
> Thanks!
>
> 01. Reyn Spooner pullover, $25
> Made in Hawaii, blend of cotton and poly. Nice tight floral print. It's a 
> pullover with a chest pocket, doesn't button all the way down. These have 
> appeared in the Riv blog and tumblr in the past and maybe Harry has like 70 
> of them? It's 23" pit to pit and 30" from top of shoulder to bottom hem. 
>
> 02. Rivendell MUSA shorts, $40
> These are a size small and they have been modified for a 6" inseam. Much 
> less baggy than the standard-issue Riv MUSA shorts as a result. The MUSA 
> label was lost in the process. While labeled a small I'm a 34" waist and 
> these fit, a little snug but I did not find them uncomfortable. Good 
> elastic in the belt. Button missing from rear right pocket, other button 
> intact. Front pockets are nylon, not mesh like more recent versions. No 
> issues. Reflectors at back.
>
> 03. Bear Bottom shorts, $10
> A cotton and spandex blend, these have a 5.5" inseam. Pretty trim fit (not 
> billowy). Lots of stretch at the waist, they measure 13" laid flat. I'm a 
> 34" waist and they fit me. Good as non-kit riding shorts. 
>
> 04. Pearl Izumi Gavia gloves, $15
> These are in nice shape, labeled a size large. Here's the description from 
> manufacturer: "Designed with AmFIB® and AmFIB® Block fabric combination for 
> water and wind protection the Pearl izumi Gavia Glove is a versatile glove 
> for cooler weather. Made with a Silicone screened palm for ultimate 
> performance grip and articulated with a Neoprene stretch wrist gusset for 
> ease of movement. This glove offers both flexibility and comfort with a 
> low-profile wrist closure and locking zipper. The soft Microfleece wiping 
> surface makes for easy maintenance.Contents: 60% Nylon / 25% Polyester / 5% 
> Neoprene / 5% Synthetic Leather / 5% Polyurethane." 
>
> 05. Costco/Kirkland Cashmere, free for shipping
> It's a size medium, 100% cashmere sweater. With plenty of holes! Lots of 
> holes. More than you're thinking. Still a nice soft layer, good for fall. 
> Pit to pit is 22", overall length is 27". I got this used, it came with the 
> holes, I store my wool properly. 
>
> 06. Smartwool balaclava, free for shipping
> It's a 100% merino wool balaclava with lots of holes! I inserted a map to 
> try and highlight the holes. I've worn this in the cold and the holes don't 
> actually seem to be a problem. I got this used, it came with the holes. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Eric Marth]

Lovely, Daman. Congrats on the new Atlantis! 

On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 8:30:39 PM UTC-5 Daman Kumar wrote:

> This is from essentially the first ride of a new-to-me Atlantis. I know, I 
> know; shame on me for not posting a ride report yet. This week, I promise!
> Taken on Mercer Island, WA.
>
>
> [image: IMG-3894.jpg]
>
> Daman
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 6:47:33 AM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> Nice, our Gingko was brilliant but now on the ground.
>> Steve
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 8:53 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice Bleriot, Gary! 
>>>
>>> This gingko is lighting up but not full yellow just yet. 
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3643.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 7:10:15 PM UTC-5 LBleriot wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:38:12 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [image: A9EF2C77-8F1E-4F9B-9E55-1CDF1D13396E.jpeg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Our ride today looked a bit less like fall…
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 2:36:20 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I meant to put that! Spokane Washington here. Those trees were put in 
>>>>>> our neighborhood, mostly pines around otherwise. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 12:58:12 PM UTC-8 Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wow!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 2:56 PM Steven Sweedler  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beautiful picture, would love to know the locations of these 
>>>>>>>> different pictures to see how much longer the foliage lasts in 
>>>>>>>> different 
>>>>>>>> climes. Steve
>>>>>>>> Plymouth, NH where most of the leaves are down except Beech and Oak
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 11:29 AM Ryan Frahm  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [image: 5751DB70-4EAD-4F1F-AE8C-0D12DE484965.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was headed into our neighborhood about a week ago. Everything 
>>>>>>>>> is covered in snow this morning though. This day might have been the 
>>>>>>>>> peak 
>>>>>>>>> for these!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:10:15 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank-you for the clarification, Peter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>>>>>>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:23:07 AM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>>> peter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's the shop, not our house. The house is well off to the 
>>>>>>>>>>> left, out of the photo.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 8:12 PM Kim Hetzel  
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank-you, Peter. It is a beautiful picture of contrast. Nice 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to see the whole front of your home from visiting your website in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> purchasing products from you in the past. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yelm, WA. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 3:00:01 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>>>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lovely, Peter 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:21:35 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>

[RBW] FS: Rivendell MUSA pants, Riv wool cap, leather gloves

[Eric Marth]

Hi all — Some stuff for sale. Prices are net to me, PayPal Friends and/or 
Family and Venmo work. Shipping to you not included. 

Pictures are here. 

 

Thanks!

*Rivendell MUSA pants — $60 each*
Size medium in the old butternut color. Green pockets and gusset. Velcro 
closures at ankles. Belts have been removed, plenty of elastic in waists. 
Both rear buttons present on both pairs of pants. I have two pairs for 
sale, price is per pair. The faintest grease marks at the drive side ankles 
which I tried to show. 

*Rivendell wool cap by Randi Jo — Trade for Randi Jo wool cap*
This is a Rivendell size "medium" which is a Randi Jo size large (I have 
this on good intel from Eric at Randi Jo Fab). Some discoloration to white 
trim band inside from wear. Overall in good shape but definitely worn in. 

I'd like to trade this for a plain Randi Jo wool cap 

 
in dark or medium gray, size large. If that doesn't work out, then I'll 
sell it.  

*Kinco 901 leather gloves — $25*
Pigskin leather with polyester insulation. Heavy duty gloves. Hardly worn. 
Treated with Nikwax. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell MUSA pants, Riv wool cap, leather gloves

[Eric Marth]

Gloves have sold. Open to an offer on the pants. 

Thanks!

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 4:35:00 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi all — Some stuff for sale. Prices are net to me, PayPal Friends and/or 
> Family and Venmo work. Shipping to you not included. 
>
> Pictures are here. 
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18YPZq9Un8Q_jaqlJUfsStSqm-wS8agqo?usp=sharing>
>  
>
> Thanks!
>
> *Rivendell MUSA pants — $60 each*
> Size medium in the old butternut color. Green pockets and gusset. Velcro 
> closures at ankles. Belts have been removed, plenty of elastic in waists. 
> Both rear buttons present on both pairs of pants. I have two pairs for 
> sale, price is per pair. The faintest grease marks at the drive side ankles 
> which I tried to show. 
>
> *Rivendell wool cap by Randi Jo — Trade for Randi Jo wool cap*
> This is a Rivendell size "medium" which is a Randi Jo size large (I have 
> this on good intel from Eric at Randi Jo Fab). Some discoloration to white 
> trim band inside from wear. Overall in good shape but definitely worn in. 
>
> I'd like to trade this for a plain Randi Jo wool cap 
> <https://www.randijofab.com/collections/caps/products/copy-of-wool-caps?variant=30679349493846>
>  
> in dark or medium gray, size large. If that doesn't work out, then I'll 
> sell it.  
>
> *Kinco 901 leather gloves — $25*
> Pigskin leather with polyester insulation. Heavy duty gloves. Hardly worn. 
> Treated with Nikwax. 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell MUSA pants, Riv wool cap, leather gloves

[Eric Marth]

One pair of pants remains, thanks. 

On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 4:31:31 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Gloves have sold. Open to an offer on the pants. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 4:35:00 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Hi all — Some stuff for sale. Prices are net to me, PayPal Friends and/or 
>> Family and Venmo work. Shipping to you not included. 
>>
>> Pictures are here. 
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18YPZq9Un8Q_jaqlJUfsStSqm-wS8agqo?usp=sharing>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> *Rivendell MUSA pants — $60 each*
>> Size medium in the old butternut color. Green pockets and gusset. Velcro 
>> closures at ankles. Belts have been removed, plenty of elastic in waists. 
>> Both rear buttons present on both pairs of pants. I have two pairs for 
>> sale, price is per pair. The faintest grease marks at the drive side ankles 
>> which I tried to show. 
>>
>> *Rivendell wool cap by Randi Jo — Trade for Randi Jo wool cap*
>> This is a Rivendell size "medium" which is a Randi Jo size large (I have 
>> this on good intel from Eric at Randi Jo Fab). Some discoloration to white 
>> trim band inside from wear. Overall in good shape but definitely worn in. 
>>
>> I'd like to trade this for a plain Randi Jo wool cap 
>> <https://www.randijofab.com/collections/caps/products/copy-of-wool-caps?variant=30679349493846>
>>  
>> in dark or medium gray, size large. If that doesn't work out, then I'll 
>> sell it.  
>>
>> *Kinco 901 leather gloves — $25*
>> Pigskin leather with polyester insulation. Heavy duty gloves. Hardly 
>> worn. Treated with Nikwax. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Philadelphia Bike Expo 2022

[Eric Marth]

Hi Jonathan — was this a demo bike in the Swift booth? Assuming as much 
from the Blue Lug x Swift luggage :) 

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:24:55 PM UTC-5 jonathan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: 20221029_154132.jpg]
>
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[RBW] Re: Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[Eric Marth]

Thanks so much, Elizabeth and Mike! I really appreciate it. If only I could 
find a few nice, flat sheets of 3/4 plywood... for free!

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:24:23 PM UTC-5 michaels...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Great vid Eric! The field recordings are always a really nice touch. I 
> agree with Paul definitely jealous of your workshop space and how organized 
> it looks. If you do decide to expand your workshop, the process would make 
> another great video!
>
> -Mike, SF
> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:11:13 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That's a nice mixte, Paul, thanks for sharing. 
>>
>> Is that a Suntour Compe-V high normal front derailer? I *love* the cage 
>> on those but don't think I'd be down for the high normal arrangement. 
>>
>> That's something that hasn't come up in all our discussions of rapid 
>> rise, the few high-normal front mechs out there! 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Nice looking mixte Paul. I see you have an Uno seat post as well. As I 
>>> recall the Shogun had an odd size, not too many options to chose from.
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:46:16 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>




 I've got the 1973 Nishiki low step 22" frame going and it's a nice 
 riding bike.

 I have a tan saddle on the way and a few other changes planned.

 Remarkable to think it will be 50 years old next year and going strong.

 When I get too decrepit to straddle a diamond frame perhaps I can 
 straddle this. 
 Ha! 
 Or acquire a low step Riv.

 Paul in Dallas.
 .

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Eric Marth]

Beauty! I dig these, the second especially!

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:19:30 PM UTC-5 ma...@mindmechanics.net 
wrote:

> Here’s a couple from just outside Glasgow, Scotland.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
> On Sat, 5 Nov 2022 at 18:29, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Great pics Takashi and Brady :) 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:
>>
>>> After all the colorful photos, Brady's snowy photo almost looks like 
>>> monochrome (except for the bike).
>>>
>>> Here are couple of photos from today's ride.
>>> It was like a bit too late for the peak colorfulness, but it was still 
>>> enjoyable.
>>>
>>> Takashi
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Various Bits and Bobs for sale

[Eric Marth]

Phew wee! Jason's store is open for business! Nice stuff, man, wish there 
was something in here I needed. 

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:58:58 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'll keep the crust page active with availability, feel free to message me 
> directly for questions or additional info.  Cheers!
>
> Jason
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 11:57:53 AM UTC-6 Jason Zakaras wrote:
>
>> I've posted this up on the crust classified site as well, thought there 
>> might be some interest here also, photos are shown at crust:
>> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/145492
>>
>> Thanks for looking!
>>
>> Garage Sale: buyer responsible for shipping and fees thx 😘 discounts on 
>> multiple items
>>
>>
>> Paul Klamper (1) IS Mount Long Pull (Black/Orange) - 175.00
>>
>>
>> Brooks c15 Black Saddle- 50.00
>>
>>
>> ritchie stem 110mm 26.8 clamp connects to 1inch stem w/ quill stem 
>> adapter - $50.00
>>
>>
>> titanium king anything cage -50.00 each
>>
>>
>> Crust Jungle Runners 31.8 clamp (black) (never installed) -100.00 
>>
>>
>> Crust Shaka Bar 31.8 clamp  (black) 560mm - 100.00
>>
>>
>> Nitto Noodle 26.0 clamp (silver) 480mm - 75.00 
>>
>>
>> Crust Get Loose Bar 26.0 clamp (silver) (2) 75.00 each 
>>
>>
>> Nitto/Rivendell Billy Bar silver (used) 25.4 clamp - 80.00
>>
>>
>> White Industries Square Taper eno crank - 40/30t / 170 crank arm / black 
>> / used - 275.00
>>
>> *free blue lug pants leg saver with crank*
>>
>>
>> Park Tool HHP-2 (never used) 100.00
>>
>>
>> Park Tool CRS-1 (never used) $50.00
>>
>>
>> Purple Sim Works “drops”bar end plug pair 20.00
>>
>>
>> Black Nitto bar end plug (1) $5.00
>>
>>
>> Campandgoslow rattler tape (2) - $30.00
>>
>>
>> Serfas woven bar tape (per box - 2 “rolls per box”) 15.00 ea
>>
>>
>> Shimano brakes/derailleur/105 Downtube shifter “trio” -$30.00
>>
>>
>> Jack Brown “green” 700x33 new (pair) - $75.00
>>
>>
>> campagnolo shifting cable (set) 5.00
>>
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[RBW] Re: Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[Eric Marth]

Thank you, Bill! I definitely put a lot of thought into converting the bike 
into something way more useful that it had been and tried my best to source 
some good-looking (but not too fancy) parts with a timeless feel to them. 
Still kinda wish I had a more plain-looking rear mech. Hard to beat a 
modern-ish XT, tho. 

On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:

> I love all the mix and match you do to get EXACTLY the function you want.  
> One's ability to do that is one of the things that make bicycles such 
> wonderful, versatile tools/toys.
>
> Bill S
> San Diego
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:57:29 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks so much, Elizabeth and Mike! I really appreciate it. If only I 
>> could find a few nice, flat sheets of 3/4 plywood... for free!
>>
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:24:23 PM UTC-5 michaels...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Great vid Eric! The field recordings are always a really nice touch. I 
>>> agree with Paul definitely jealous of your workshop space and how organized 
>>> it looks. If you do decide to expand your workshop, the process would make 
>>> another great video!
>>>
>>> -Mike, SF
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:11:13 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 That's a nice mixte, Paul, thanks for sharing. 

 Is that a Suntour Compe-V high normal front derailer? I *love* the 
 cage on those but don't think I'd be down for the high normal arrangement. 

 That's something that hasn't come up in all our discussions of rapid 
 rise, the few high-normal front mechs out there! 

 On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Nice looking mixte Paul. I see you have an Uno seat post as well. As I 
> recall the Shogun had an odd size, not too many options to chose from.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:46:16 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I've got the 1973 Nishiki low step 22" frame going and it's a nice 
>> riding bike.
>>
>> I have a tan saddle on the way and a few other changes planned.
>>
>> Remarkable to think it will be 50 years old next year and going 
>> strong.
>>
>> When I get too decrepit to straddle a diamond frame perhaps I can 
>> straddle this. 
>> Ha! 
>> Or acquire a low step Riv.
>>
>> Paul in Dallas.
>> .
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell MUSA pants, Riv wool cap, leather gloves

[Eric Marth]

All pants and gloves sold. 

On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 9:40:56 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> One pair of pants remains, thanks. 
>
> On Friday, November 11, 2022 at 4:31:31 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Gloves have sold. Open to an offer on the pants. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 4:35:00 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all — Some stuff for sale. Prices are net to me, PayPal Friends 
>>> and/or Family and Venmo work. Shipping to you not included. 
>>>
>>> Pictures are here. 
>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18YPZq9Un8Q_jaqlJUfsStSqm-wS8agqo?usp=sharing>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> *Rivendell MUSA pants — $60 each*
>>> Size medium in the old butternut color. Green pockets and gusset. Velcro 
>>> closures at ankles. Belts have been removed, plenty of elastic in waists. 
>>> Both rear buttons present on both pairs of pants. I have two pairs for 
>>> sale, price is per pair. The faintest grease marks at the drive side ankles 
>>> which I tried to show. 
>>>
>>> *Rivendell wool cap by Randi Jo — Trade for Randi Jo wool cap*
>>> This is a Rivendell size "medium" which is a Randi Jo size large (I have 
>>> this on good intel from Eric at Randi Jo Fab). Some discoloration to white 
>>> trim band inside from wear. Overall in good shape but definitely worn in. 
>>>
>>> I'd like to trade this for a plain Randi Jo wool cap 
>>> <https://www.randijofab.com/collections/caps/products/copy-of-wool-caps?variant=30679349493846>
>>>  
>>> in dark or medium gray, size large. If that doesn't work out, then I'll 
>>> sell it.  
>>>
>>> *Kinco 901 leather gloves — $25*
>>> Pigskin leather with polyester insulation. Heavy duty gloves. Hardly 
>>> worn. Treated with Nikwax. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Video: Vintage lugged steel mixte restoration

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Jason I'm happy to share and glad if in anyway I've encouraged some 
wrenching. 

And thanks, Ryan, too! She digs the bike. And I think workshops, like 
bikes, are each a miracle. 

When I first decided to make a build video I was thinking of some other 
builds I enjoyed watching. I thought I'd give it a try. But I never 
expected the response to be so overwhelmingly positive. I really appreciate 
anyone who has made time to watch and send a nice note. It means a lot. 
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 2:18:08 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Late to the party here...but Eric, I just love watching your bike-building 
> videos; love the calm almost Zen-like vibe and attention to detail . I may 
> have mentioned this before...but it bears repeating. Your partner looks 
> like she's enjoying her freshly-built bike. As she should. Watching you 
> build bikes reminds  me of my late partner's wrenching skills , although we 
> didn't have a workshop like yours. 
>
> Nice restoration!
>
> Ryan
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:39:12 PM UTC-6 jasonz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Eric, you continue to inspire me to tinker with my bikes.  Your 
>> creativity is so fun to watch, both in your builds and video production. 
>>  You're a real great contributor to the community, please keep up the solid 
>> efforts!
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 12:16:58 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Bill! I definitely put a lot of thought into converting the 
>>> bike into something way more useful that it had been and tried my best to 
>>> source some good-looking (but not too fancy) parts with a timeless feel to 
>>> them. Still kinda wish I had a more plain-looking rear mech. Hard to beat a 
>>> modern-ish XT, tho. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
 I love all the mix and match you do to get EXACTLY the function you 
 want.  One's ability to do that is one of the things that make bicycles 
 such wonderful, versatile tools/toys.

 Bill S
 San Diego

 On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:57:29 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thanks so much, Elizabeth and Mike! I really appreciate it. If only I 
> could find a few nice, flat sheets of 3/4 plywood... for free!
>
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 3:24:23 PM UTC-5 
> michaels...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great vid Eric! The field recordings are always a really nice touch. 
>> I agree with Paul definitely jealous of your workshop space and how 
>> organized it looks. If you do decide to expand your workshop, the 
>> process 
>> would make another great video!
>>
>> -Mike, SF
>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 8:11:13 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's a nice mixte, Paul, thanks for sharing. 
>>>
>>> Is that a Suntour Compe-V high normal front derailer? I *love* the 
>>> cage on those but don't think I'd be down for the high normal 
>>> arrangement. 
>>>
>>> That's something that hasn't come up in all our discussions of rapid 
>>> rise, the few high-normal front mechs out there! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 1, 2022 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Nice looking mixte Paul. I see you have an Uno seat post as well. 
 As I recall the Shogun had an odd size, not too many options to chose 
 from.

 JohnS

 On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:46:16 PM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas 
 wrote:

>
>
>
>
> I've got the 1973 Nishiki low step 22" frame going and it's a nice 
> riding bike.
>
> I have a tan saddle on the way and a few other changes planned.
>
> Remarkable to think it will be 50 years old next year and going 
> strong.
>
> When I get too decrepit to straddle a diamond frame perhaps I can 
> straddle this. 
> Ha! 
> Or acquire a low step Riv.
>
> Paul in Dallas.
> .
>


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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Eric Marth]

Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. 

Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for anything more 
than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the handling but I got 
used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times while climbing when I was 
trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and ended up kinda tipping 
over, no big deal. 

I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've attached a 
packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a lot. I'd also 
love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my saddle but couldn't 
get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around for a bootlegged Pec 
Deck for some time. 

Randy — It was certainly different than my last trip out of town with a 
fancy hotel stay for a wedding and paid for by my in-laws! 

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:05:11 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Intoxicating read! Now I have the “itch” real bad.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>
>
>
> 14-15 November 2022
> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 
>
> [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]
>
> This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight trips 
> by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I booked a 
> primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a 
> loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the 
> night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R. 
> to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night 
> out. 
>
> Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down 
> well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and snow 
> were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With bad 
> weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We 
> would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a 
> late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final 
> check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts 
> shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed the 
> wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our 
> way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s. 
>
> [image: 02 Syria SM.jpg]
>
> The first eight miles took us through beautiful rolling countryside with 
> cattle grazing, old brick houses on hills and the last rusty brown vestiges 
> of crumbling foliage. We were on a mix of pavement and well-maintained 
> gravel roads. The route took us through a neighborhood of small beautiful 
> farms on a road that runs parallel to a stream. The road continued on in a 
> way that felt like trespassing as we rode between barns, over corn and soy 
> fields, past a tractor shed and through fields cut for hay. 
>
> Next we turned onto a painted highway with a posted speed of 45mph and 
> rode along for about two miles. During our first day this was our only 
> stretch of riding with paint on the road. We skirted around a mountain and 
> had our first fun and short descent on a twisty paved road. We pulled into 
> a neighborhood of old apple-packing warehouses and a convenience store with 
> a deli, likely a good place to stop, according to Paul who ran inside. Bulk 
> candy, camping goods, deli sandwiches and the rest. We surveyed a few bins 
> full of local apples that were stationed out on the road. I found my local 
> favorite, the Black Twig and we got four apples for $2. They were 
> fantastically good. 
>
> [image: 03 Road SM.jpg]
>
> We enjoyed some more lovely country riding before starting on a long climb 
> that took our elevation from 600 feet to 3,500 feet over 18 miles without 
> interruption. 
>
> The way up is via a wooded fire and maintenance road that is at times 
> quite rocky but easily passible by bike… if your legs are up for it. You 
> would need a serious 4x4 vehicle with clearance to make it up these roads 
> and the few campers and people out fishing were in one-ton trucks. There 
> are a few steep, rocky, loose descents on the way up, short reprieves from 
> long and steady climbing. According to my GPS we climbed for three hours. 
> We took one snack break early on and had a few quick stops but for the most 
> part we were grinding away. Paul longed for a bag of potato chips, craving 
> salt and tired of all the chewing required of his nutty trail mix. 
>
> I don’t have many pictures from this section as I was very focussed on 
> trying to make it to the cabin before dark. The early sunset and our vital 
> camp cho

Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Eric Marth]

Thank you Stephen, Ryan and Keith. 

It's my first trip, lots to learn and even un-learn! I'm glad we stuck it 
out for the weather. Will be all the better earlier in the season. But here 
in Virginia we could get some 70 degree days in December... 

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Hey Eric,
>
> Great ride report, really enjoyed reading it along with the previous day 
> ride you posted! Love seeing reports of Appalachian overnighters. Having 
> all that weight sure makes the ride harder, I got spanked last year taking 
> my Joe on the Wilson's ramble in nc by naively planning my daily mileage 
> based on how fast I ride unloaded.. ended up running low on food and 
> shortening the route. Good for you getting out in the cold weather!
>
> cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:11:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. 
>>
>> Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for anything 
>> more than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the handling but 
>> I got used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times while climbing when 
>> I was trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and ended up kinda 
>> tipping over, no big deal. 
>>
>> I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've attached 
>> a packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a lot. I'd 
>> also love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my saddle but 
>> couldn't get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around for a 
>> bootlegged Pec Deck for some time. 
>>
>> Randy — It was certainly different than my last trip out of town with a 
>> fancy hotel stay for a wedding and paid for by my in-laws! 
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:05:11 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Intoxicating read! Now I have the “itch” real bad.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 14-15 November 2022
>>> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 
>>>
>>> [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]
>>>
>>> This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight trips 
>>> by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I booked a 
>>> primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a 
>>> loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the 
>>> night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R. 
>>> to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night 
>>> out. 
>>>
>>> Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down 
>>> well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and snow 
>>> were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With bad 
>>> weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We 
>>> would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a 
>>> late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final 
>>> check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts 
>>> shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed the 
>>> wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our 
>>> way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s. 
>>>
>>> [image: 02 Syria SM.jpg]
>>>
>>> The first eight miles took us through beautiful rolling countryside with 
>>> cattle grazing, old brick houses on hills and the last rusty brown vestiges 
>>> of crumbling foliage. We were on a mix of pavement and well-maintained 
>>> gravel roads. The route took us through a neighborhood of small beautiful 
>>> farms on a road that runs parallel to a stream. The road continued on in a 
>>> way that felt like trespassing as we rode between barns, over corn and soy 
>>> fields, past a tractor shed and through fields cut for hay. 
>>>
>>> Next we turned onto a painted highway with a posted speed of 45mph and 
>>> rode along for about two miles. During our first day this was our only 
>>> stretch of riding with paint on the road. We skirted around a mountain and 
>>> had our first fun and short descent on a twisty paved road. We pulled into 
>>> a neighborhood of old apple-packi

Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, brizbarn. Overpacking is my strong suit regardless of where I'm 
going or for how long! 

I haven't been tested in a laboratory setting but I think I'm sweat at an 
unusually high rate. Has always been true of me. I was definitely quite 
thirsty at the end of the day and would have preferred to drink even more 
water as the cabin dried out from the woodstove. I have some sport tops but 
another personal sensory thing for me is drinking over plastic, I don't 
like it for hot or cold drinks and I prefer a metal edge. I didn't mind 
stopping a few times to swig some water while riding. 

I do wonder if maybe I was over dressed but I didn't feel like I was 
burning up, just sweating like mad. I might have liked a lighter sweater, 
something like the Wooly Warm jerseys but without the weird cut, fit and 
pockets (they're great, they just don't fit me right). 

The camp pillow is great. Could be a deal breaker for some due to weight 
but it compresses pretty well and it's very comfy, doesn't flatten out like 
some. 


Thanks for reading, Jake! And watching too!


I appreciate it Roberta, that's quite kind of you to say!

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1:31:50 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:

> It's always easy to overpack, or at least feel like you did when you're 
> pedaling up a hill.  I wouldn't say your pack list is overly excessive tho, 
> it looks like everything fit in your bags just fine, which is a plus.  I'm 
> tend to overflow my bags which are slightly smaller than yours on 
> overnighters, but I'm usually glad I have everything that I packed.  On a 
> recent overnighter I took a thicker, better R-value sleeping pad and that 
> helped me sleep much better.  I also tried not to over-hydrate, which in 
> the past I think I did often, especially later in the day.  This time 
> paying attention to when I was actually thirsty, not just drinking a lot to 
> "stay hydrated".  This NPR Life Kit 
> <https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1124371309>busts some water drinking 
> myths and was helpful for me.   A "sport top" on your Kleen Kanteen may be 
> helpful for sipping while riding, and maybe a bottom downtube bottle cage 
> to get some water weight lower down.  I ride with a front rando bag on my 
> bike most of the time, which maybe acclimates me to having some weight up 
> front on trips.  Being soaked in sweat on a cold day is never fun either, 
> maybe too much wool while climbing?  Glad you were able to get comfy with 
> the fire tho.  I might need to check out that camp pillow before next 
> season.  Makes me want to try a cold weather trip! 
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you Stephen, Ryan and Keith. 
>>
>> It's my first trip, lots to learn and even un-learn! I'm glad we stuck it 
>> out for the weather. Will be all the better earlier in the season. But here 
>> in Virginia we could get some 70 degree days in December... 
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Eric,
>>>
>>> Great ride report, really enjoyed reading it along with the previous day 
>>> ride you posted! Love seeing reports of Appalachian overnighters. Having 
>>> all that weight sure makes the ride harder, I got spanked last year taking 
>>> my Joe on the Wilson's ramble in nc by naively planning my daily mileage 
>>> based on how fast I ride unloaded.. ended up running low on food and 
>>> shortening the route. Good for you getting out in the cold weather!
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:11:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. 
>>>>
>>>> Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for anything 
>>>> more than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the handling but 
>>>> I got used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times while climbing 
>>>> when 
>>>> I was trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and ended up kinda 
>>>> tipping over, no big deal. 
>>>>
>>>> I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've 
>>>> attached a packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a 
>>>> lot. I'd also love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my 
>>>> saddle but couldn't get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around 
>>>> for 
>>>> a bootlegged Pec Deck for some time. 
&

[RBW] Re: Knee Replacement

[Eric Marth]

No experience with knees but I'm wishing all the best to you, Richard. Let 
us know how it goes. 

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:41:36 AM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:

> My father in his 70s had his knee replaced last year and was back on a 
> bike in three months. A stationary bike is a big part of the physical 
> therapy process.
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-5 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
>> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
>> almost time.
>> Richard
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Eric Marth]

Dang, Robert, looks like you have quite a load there! 

Nice one, Alan! Good to catch you on the chat last night ;) 

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 12:20:20 AM UTC-5 alancrai...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: 0BB05B94-13A8-449C-82F2-9C0E3025DACD.jpeg]
>
> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> We do get some Fall colors here. It’s nearly 80 today but the trees don’t 
>> care. Here are some colors among the evergreens. No Riv ridden today.
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2022, at 8:34 PM, Marcus Gomersall  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Autumn greetings from Seoul, South Korea.
>>
>> <20221114_072109~2.jpg>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:46:33 AM UTC+9 J J wrote:
>>
>>> C&O Canal Towpath
>>>  
>>> [image: Foliage .jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 12:41:20 PM UTC-5 noona...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here are a handful of off-peak fall foliage photos 
 
  
 from a 70-mile ride I did yesterday outside of Eugene, OR, with roadie 
 friends who were visiting from Utah. Even though the foliage isn't super 
 vibrant up here, the lighting this time of year is really spectacular.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Eric Marth]

Damn, Jim! Thanks for the scone report, glad they turned out. Sounds great. 
I gotta be careful making them, I can eat half a batch without even 
thinking about it... 

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:11:32 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> The scones came together quickly and are delicious… we used the basic 
> recipe and added matcha and fresh blueberries. Fantastic. Perfect energy 
> for a cold ride today!
>
> On Nov 20, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Jim! A friend asked for the packing list so I figured I'd go for 
> it. When I've read other ride reports I've thought "I wouldn't mind reading 
> a complete list of what they brought." 
>
> The scone recipe is from America's Test Kitchen, I've used it for years. 
> I've made it with dried cherries, currants and, my fave, crystalized dried 
> ginger. Recipe attached. The soup is from Alice Waters's Art of Simple 
> Food. Will Keating asked for the recipe so I already have a scan, attached. 
> The recipe is altered slightly from another with a lot of "if this, then 
> that" so I simplified with an index card which helps me out. Paul seemed to 
> really like it. This is a standard for me and something I make a few times 
> a year going back a decade. This time the squash was a volunteer that grew 
> out of our compost pile. 
>
> I'm glad you enjoyed, Brian. Paul might be around to chime in. I know he 
> dislikes racks! He definitely packed way lighter than me but didn't weigh 
> his load. He had a medium Sackville Saddlesack and a rectangular Sackville 
> bag that's very similar to the old Riv Brand-V handlebar bag. He also rode 
> with a lightweight nylon backpack which had some extra layers. 
>
> I def enjoy glass, ceramics and metal for drinking. I'll pack plastic if I 
> have to! I love my AeroPress, the simplicity, size and quality of coffee I 
> cannot beat. Also great that it makes a cup at a time. I use it at home for 
> every cup of coffee. 
>
> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 9:41:58 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Excellent ride report, as always Eric! I appreciate the little details 
>> you choose to include. As a fellow swoopy hillibike rider, I am curious a 
>> bit about your companion’s setup on his Susie and his experience. Maybe you 
>> can convince him to share his perspective too. It would be really cool to 
>> have two different perspectives and setups from the same ride!
>>
>> I am right there with you on the aversion to drinking from plastic these 
>> days. Something has changed with me these past few years where I have 
>> started phasing out all my plastic drinking containers because when I use 
>> them, I seem to strongly taste the plastic and it really turns me off. I 
>> don’t think it is related to COVID or anything because to my knowledge I 
>> still have not been infected by it. But something has definitely changed, 
>> and as a result I’ve switched to all-stainless or titanium drinking 
>> vessels. The only pass I give is to my trusty Aeropress, because the coffee 
>> it makes is just too damn good!
>>
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:52:52 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, thanks for the report. It was nicely structured and written with 
>>> such gentle thoughtfulness. Thanks also for sharing your packing list in so 
>>> much detail. I wonder if there have ever been recipe exchange threads on 
>>> this forum: what to prepare to eat when you’re taking a ride on your 
>>> Rivendell :) The scones and soup sounded delicious! Your report inspired a 
>>> strong urge to ride. 
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 21:24, MoVelo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Excellent report. Thanks for sharing with us what sounds like an epic 
>>> adventure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 3:15:59 PM UTC-6 alancrai...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great report. Sounds like a fantastic ride and near perfect 
>>>> accommodations for a rustic overnighter. Thanks for sharing! 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:44:49 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, brizbarn. Overpacking is my strong suit regardless of where 
>>>>> I'm going or for how long! 
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't been tested in a laboratory setting but I think I'm sweat at 
>>>>> an unusually high rate. Has always been true of me. I was definitely 
>>>>> quite 
>>>>> thirsty at the end of the day

[RBW] Re: WTB: Weathered brass bell

[Eric Marth]

Thanks to all who have reached out, I have a bell deal in the works! 

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 3:25:00 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

> I think the Viva brass hammer bells are uncoated and weather quite nicely.
> [image: image-85-600x600[1].jpeg]
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] For sale: Suntour hats

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Hi Edward — My head measures 23" just above the ears. With the hat sized to 
fit I still have better than 2" of strap remaining.  Just what I'm able to 
observe at the moment. I can't guarantee this will be a good fit for you. 

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:31:35 PM UTC-5 edwardb...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> What’s the fit? Average? Asking because I have a big noggin :/ a lot of 
> baseball hats don’t fit right. 
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 1:07 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Hi all — I made a very small batch of Suntour hats. They're on Adams LP 
>> 101 caps, unstructured, with a leather strap out back. 
>>
>> They're $30 shipped CON-US. Please DM me to purchase. 
>>
>> Thanks! 
>>
>> [image: suntour 01 SM.jpg][image: suntour 02 SM.jpg][image: suntour 03 
>> SM.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] For sale: Suntour hats

[Eric Marth]

All caps are sold, thanks everyone for you interest. 

If you missed out but you'd like one please drop me a note (here or a PM) 
and if there's enough interest I'll see about having some more made. 

On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 6:15:55 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi Edward — My head measures 23" just above the ears. With the hat sized 
> to fit I still have better than 2" of strap remaining.  Just what I'm able 
> to observe at the moment. I can't guarantee this will be a good fit for 
> you. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 4:31:35 PM UTC-5 edwardb...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What’s the fit? Average? Asking because I have a big noggin :/ a lot of 
>> baseball hats don’t fit right. 
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 1:07 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all — I made a very small batch of Suntour hats. They're on Adams LP 
>>> 101 caps, unstructured, with a leather strap out back. 
>>>
>>> They're $30 shipped CON-US. Please DM me to purchase. 
>>>
>>> Thanks! 
>>>
>>> [image: suntour 01 SM.jpg][image: suntour 02 SM.jpg][image: suntour 03 
>>> SM.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Eric Marth]

Nice ones Rich and Luke! 

On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:47:14 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> [image: 7D7DD80C-F09D-457D-8D6B-35A8AA2B43F7.jpeg]
>
> Flew to Orange County last month with the Riv and Rockwall, TX this month! 
> Been fun being able to take it around and ride in different places.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Tektro RRL TRP levers (new, black and silver)

[Eric Marth]

Levers are sold, thanks!

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:46:40 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Apologies for the triple post, I am digging around here today. 
>
> I have a new, unused set of Tektro TRP RRL levers with black hoods and 
> silver levers. They are drilled. No box included. Included are instructions 
> and the plastic insert ramp pieces. 
>
> Asking $90 plus shipping to you. Thanks! 
>
> [image: IMG_3907 3.JPG]
> [image: IMG_3908 3.JPG]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cockpit Quandaries - Friction bar ends for a new rider

[Eric Marth]

My vote would be for friction bar-ends because it's groovy, fun, looks 
cool, feels great. Anyone can learn it, nothing to it. 

You learn friction trimming and shifting quickly. Just a few anecdotal case 
studies: I did, my partner did (she is not an avid or frequent rider), my 
pal Glenn (who I just built a bike for) did, too. Way back when Grant wrote 
that his nine-year-old daughter learned it no problem without any input 
from him (look for it in one of the many friction celebration articles in 
earlier Riv catalogs). 

I rode Albatross bars with Shimano bar-ends and Silver 1 levers for about a 
year. Very good setup!


On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 5:44:56 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't want to learn how to shoot a rifle and don't use friction shifting 
> for the rear even though I know how to do it. I think hunting around for 
> the next cog just because you can is silly, the clicks work. 
>
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:35:18 PM UTC-8 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> I am with Garth on this. Albatross and bar end shifters in friction mode 
>> are easy peasy as long as the parts match or pretty close. My new Platypus 
>> has 10 speed microshift bar ends, basic Deore deraiiler, mid range 10 speed 
>> cassette, and basic Sram 10 speed chain o Albatross bars.
>> Shifting smooth and easy and if is chain chattering, move the shifter a 
>> little. The new rider will learn to understand the way of shifting. They 
>> also learn the value of not shifting on a small rise and hammering a bit to 
>> keep momentum. 
>> Similar (in my mind) to teaching someone to shoot a rifle. You do not 
>> start with a magazine fed semi-automatic like a Ruger 10/22. They quickly 
>> find firing rapidly, emptying the rifle id fun. They miss the basics of 
>> lining up the sight, breath out and hold, relax, aim, shoot. The process of 
>> racking a bolt for the next shot, or reloading a single shot, resets the 
>> process of accurate shooting.  Sorry for the long explanation, but rings 
>> true to me.
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 5:07:57 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Give your friend friction shifters first for goodness sake. Don't sell 
>>> them short in their abilities, people don't need or want to be treated as 
>>> incapable. You don't have to buy expensive thumbshifters, Sunrace SLM10 and 
>>> Falcon are ratcheting ones for $10-15 and include cables. The ratcheting 
>>> mechanism is plastic, but for casual use they work just fine. I have bot. 
>>> They feel quite nice in the hand and can be used on both road and mtb bars. 
>>>
>>> I liken this to learning to drive. I learned with a manual transmission 
>>> in high school drivers ed via a simulator trailer we had. When I actually 
>>> got into a car with a manual tranny it was easy as pie. Should I have been 
>>> "spared" the chance I'd be incapable of driving a car and shifting a manual 
>>> transmission at the same time ?  Let them shift, let them mis-take a few. 
>>> With manual shifting these are easily corrected. When indexed shifting goes 
>>> wonky and you have no idea how shifting works in the first place, you're 
>>> helpless as you have idea why the thingy on the handlebar doesn't work or 
>>> even what it does. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Book recommendations for learning how to build up a bike

[Eric Marth]

Hi Stephanie — This isn't a book, just a few pages from an old Rivendell 
Reader, but worthwhile. 

"One way to assemble a bike." 

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR28_bikeassembly.pdf

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 4:22:33 PM UTC-5 ericf3 wrote:

> Found it. Hey' it's over 10 years old!
>
> It's All About the Bike
> the Pursuit of Happiness on Two Wheels
> Penn, Rob 
> 
>
> The bicycle is one of mankind's greatest inventions - the most efficient 
> self-powered means of transportation ever invented. Robert Penn has ridden 
> one most days of his adult life. In his late-20s, he pedalled 40,000kms 
> around the world. He's in the middle of a long love affair with the 
> bicycle. Yet, like cyclists everywhere, the utilitarian bike he currently 
> owns doesn't even hint at this devotion. Penn needs a new bike, a bike that 
> reflects how he feels when he's riding it - like an ordinary man touching 
> the gods.
>
> So Penn has designed and built his dream bike. He's got an artisan in 
> Stoke to hand-build a bespoke frame; he's travelled to San Francisco for 
> the perfect wheel, from Padua to Provence to find the perfect components - 
> parts that set the standard in reliability, craftsmanship and beauty. En 
> route, he tells the stories of the science, history and culture of 
> bicycles, extracting pertinent and quirky stories - the role of the bicycle 
> in women's liberation, the marvel of the tangent-spoked wheel, the 
> quasi-religious admiration for Fausto Coppi in Italy - that explain why we 
> ride, and why this simple machine remains central to humanity in the 21st 
> century.
> [image: image.png]
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Re: [RBW] For sale: Suntour hats

[Eric Marth]

Glad to hear it, Matt! 

I went with the Adams cap because among guy who embroider hats (I'm not 
one) these are considered to be some of the best. And I have some friends 
who've had these over the years and really liked 'em. I could do without 
the logo on the strap and the little Eiffel Tower on the closure piece, 
myself. 

I'm satisfied with the color, bill, fit, crown, etc. 

I'm trying to find a cap that is even more plain for the next run. It will 
be an unstructured, pigment-dyed, six-panel cap, very similar to this 
round. 

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:54:19 AM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:

> I know these are sold out, but figured I would post in case there is 
> another batch made.  Mine arrived fast and I am happy with the purchase.  I 
> sorta wish I bought two, but now I am hoping there might be a color change 
> in another batch.  
>
> I also have a big head and it fits me fine.  
>
> If I could add any input, I don't think the leather strap offers much in 
> the way of improvement.  It is not bad, but I probably would prefer it just 
> be the same fabric as the rest of the hat.  
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 3:31:35 PM UTC-6 edwardb...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What’s the fit? Average? Asking because I have a big noggin :/ a lot of 
>> baseball hats don’t fit right. 
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 1:07 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all — I made a very small batch of Suntour hats. They're on Adams LP 
>>> 101 caps, unstructured, with a leather strap out back. 
>>>
>>> They're $30 shipped CON-US. Please DM me to purchase. 
>>>
>>> Thanks! 
>>>
>>> [image: suntour 01 SM.jpg][image: suntour 02 SM.jpg][image: suntour 03 
>>> SM.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Eric Marth]

Cheers, Stephanie! Glad you enjoyed. 

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:56:47 AM UTC-5 Stephanie A. wrote:

> A. Your pics are gorgeous.
>
> B. Your ride report has me thinking about biking beyond commuting. It's 
> ever slightly more tempting now.
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:46:56 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Damn, Jim! Thanks for the scone report, glad they turned out. Sounds 
>> great. I gotta be careful making them, I can eat half a batch without even 
>> thinking about it... 
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 6:11:32 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> The scones came together quickly and are delicious… we used the basic 
>>> recipe and added matcha and fresh blueberries. Fantastic. Perfect energy 
>>> for a cold ride today!
>>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim! A friend asked for the packing list so I figured I'd go for 
>>> it. When I've read other ride reports I've thought "I wouldn't mind reading 
>>> a complete list of what they brought." 
>>>
>>> The scone recipe is from America's Test Kitchen, I've used it for years. 
>>> I've made it with dried cherries, currants and, my fave, crystalized dried 
>>> ginger. Recipe attached. The soup is from Alice Waters's Art of Simple 
>>> Food. Will Keating asked for the recipe so I already have a scan, attached. 
>>> The recipe is altered slightly from another with a lot of "if this, then 
>>> that" so I simplified with an index card which helps me out. Paul seemed to 
>>> really like it. This is a standard for me and something I make a few times 
>>> a year going back a decade. This time the squash was a volunteer that grew 
>>> out of our compost pile. 
>>>
>>> I'm glad you enjoyed, Brian. Paul might be around to chime in. I know he 
>>> dislikes racks! He definitely packed way lighter than me but didn't weigh 
>>> his load. He had a medium Sackville Saddlesack and a rectangular Sackville 
>>> bag that's very similar to the old Riv Brand-V handlebar bag. He also rode 
>>> with a lightweight nylon backpack which had some extra layers. 
>>>
>>> I def enjoy glass, ceramics and metal for drinking. I'll pack plastic if 
>>> I have to! I love my AeroPress, the simplicity, size and quality of coffee 
>>> I cannot beat. Also great that it makes a cup at a time. I use it at home 
>>> for every cup of coffee. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 9:41:58 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Excellent ride report, as always Eric! I appreciate the little details 
>>>> you choose to include. As a fellow swoopy hillibike rider, I am curious a 
>>>> bit about your companion’s setup on his Susie and his experience. Maybe 
>>>> you 
>>>> can convince him to share his perspective too. It would be really cool to 
>>>> have two different perspectives and setups from the same ride!
>>>>
>>>> I am right there with you on the aversion to drinking from plastic 
>>>> these days. Something has changed with me these past few years where I 
>>>> have 
>>>> started phasing out all my plastic drinking containers because when I use 
>>>> them, I seem to strongly taste the plastic and it really turns me off. I 
>>>> don’t think it is related to COVID or anything because to my knowledge I 
>>>> still have not been infected by it. But something has definitely changed, 
>>>> and as a result I’ve switched to all-stainless or titanium drinking 
>>>> vessels. The only pass I give is to my trusty Aeropress, because the 
>>>> coffee 
>>>> it makes is just too damn good!
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:52:52 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eric, thanks for the report. It was nicely structured and written with 
>>>>> such gentle thoughtfulness. Thanks also for sharing your packing list in 
>>>>> so 
>>>>> much detail. I wonder if there have ever been recipe exchange threads on 
>>>>> this forum: what to prepare to eat when you’re taking a ride on your 
>>>>> Rivendell :) The scones and soup sounded delicious! Your report inspired 
>>>>> a 
>>>>> strong urge to ride. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 21:24, MoVelo  wrote:
>>>

Re: [RBW] Annual Head-Badge Poster Update

[Eric Marth]

Great work, Marty. Thanks for sharing this with us. That's a nice big file, 
too, great for printing at home with my Epson large format printer on nice 
Hahnemuhle cotton rag paper :) 

The most recent badges are done by Olivier Chételat, you can find the OC 
initials hidden in all of his designs. He posts here from time to time. I 
believe he also designed (or at least contributed heavily to) the 2014 Riv 
catalog which is one of my favorites. 

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:50:44 PM UTC-5 upyou...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

> Excellent work.  Thank you for sharing.
> Kate
>
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 6:25:11 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>
>> Marty, this is beautiful and an incredible design effort. Thanks so much. 
>> It’s lovely to see them laid out like that. 
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 11:16, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA <
>> martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Had some time to update the poster, and made a number of changes to keep 
>> things interesting. Hope you all like it.
>>
>>
>>1. Highlighted the very first Rivendell badge (cast pewter) front and 
>>center and larger than life.
>>2. Swapped in a new version of the Riv badge in purple at the top 
>>left - I had not seen this one before. I like it!
>>3. Brought back the Heron badge. I LOVE it! 
>>4. Swapped in a different version of the Roadeo badge - this time in 
>>blue.  
>>5. Added the latest badge: the "Roaduno" even though it's not being 
>>sold yet. 
>>6. Enlarged the entire poster to 18X24 to accommodate all the badges. 
>>Frames are standard for this size print. 
>>
>> I keep thinking this will be the last update,  but if RIvendell continues 
>> to add new models I'm duty bound to plug ahead. 
>>
>> As always, here's the link to the hi-res file on Flickr. Download and 
>> print to your heart's content! Enjoy the holiday season and every ride 
>> throughout the year!
>>
>> Rivendell Badge Poster File 
>> 
>>
>> Marty
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[RBW] Re: First Ride of the Platypus

[Eric Marth]

Looks like a nice build, David! Do you have a build list to share? How are 
those (what appear to be) Crank Bros Stamp pedals?

Is the frame mermaid? It must be, couldn't be anything else. I've found 
when taking pictures of my mermaid Appaloosa my camera doesn't render the 
color correctly. A lovely but difficult color to capture. For me, at least. 

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 10:28:38 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:

> Doug, the Clem L has had my eye for a while and got me looking at Riv 
> step-throughs. It looks like such a luxe-smooth ride! These days I call 
> most any bike that's not specifically a road or mountain bike an 
> "all-rounder" and I have a growing collection of them.
>
> Thanks, Mike - I definitely foresee chronic bouts of the cruisy zooms in 
> my future!

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Re: [RBW] For sale: Suntour hats

[Eric Marth]

Hey people — I ordered another batch of Suntour caps and they should be 
ready in about two weeks. 

Thanks to everyone for your interest! 

On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 12:45:48 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Glad to hear it, Matt! 
>
> I went with the Adams cap because among guy who embroider hats (I'm not 
> one) these are considered to be some of the best. And I have some friends 
> who've had these over the years and really liked 'em. I could do without 
> the logo on the strap and the little Eiffel Tower on the closure piece, 
> myself. 
>
> I'm satisfied with the color, bill, fit, crown, etc. 
>
> I'm trying to find a cap that is even more plain for the next run. It will 
> be an unstructured, pigment-dyed, six-panel cap, very similar to this 
> round. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 8:54:19 AM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> I know these are sold out, but figured I would post in case there is 
>> another batch made.  Mine arrived fast and I am happy with the purchase.  I 
>> sorta wish I bought two, but now I am hoping there might be a color change 
>> in another batch.  
>>
>> I also have a big head and it fits me fine.  
>>
>> If I could add any input, I don't think the leather strap offers much in 
>> the way of improvement.  It is not bad, but I probably would prefer it just 
>> be the same fabric as the rest of the hat.  
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 23, 2022 at 3:31:35 PM UTC-6 edwardb...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What’s the fit? Average? Asking because I have a big noggin :/ a lot of 
>>> baseball hats don’t fit right. 
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 1:07 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all — I made a very small batch of Suntour hats. They're on Adams LP 
>>>> 101 caps, unstructured, with a leather strap out back. 
>>>>
>>>> They're $30 shipped CON-US. Please DM me to purchase. 
>>>>
>>>> Thanks! 
>>>>
>>>> [image: suntour 01 SM.jpg][image: suntour 02 SM.jpg][image: suntour 03 
>>>> SM.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Eric Marth]

If anyone needs any prodding to take Bill up on his offer of a free 
catalog, it's this one here:
http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Sam%20Hillborne%202014.pdf
 

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 11:16:50 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  I've 
> stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one of the 
> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, let me 
> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
>> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until 
>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>
>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Eric Marth]

Tags: Rumpled, crumpled, dimpled, cracked, caked, bent, indented, inverted, 
squiggly, wiggly, touched-up, touch up, mustard, steel is real, steel is 
really bent, accident, tire marks, bent, bends, bendy. 

It's interesting how the original ad copy raised a flag for several readers 
here (myself included) before we knew where this was headed. Thanks Matthew 
for sharing images of the bike in its mangled state. 

That identifying blemish near the crown of the left fork is the clincher, 
as if there were any doubt. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:28:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

>
> Agreed.
> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, 
>> and we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! 
>> So uncool. 
>>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who is 
>>> looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>>>
>>> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>>>
>>> Here's how it went:
>>>
>>>
>>> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>>>
>>> **he replies immediately**
>>>
>>> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted you 
>>> to ask that?
>>>
>>> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
>>> opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
>>> for the price you're asking.
>>>
>>>
>>> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the following 
>>> two messages.*
>>>
>>> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>>>
>>> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
>>> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
>>> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
>>> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
>>> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they said 
>>> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
>>> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>>>
>>>
>>> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
>>> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
>>> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>>>
>>> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:

 "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and 
 scratches but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay 
 was bent, but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back 
 and fixed it."




 On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."

 Well that's one way to put it! 

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
> tried to capture the bent ends.
>
> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
> it. I know it the same way you know your own bike. I recognized it from 
> the 
> original ad photos from when I bought it, and from when I unpacked it, 
> and 
> from the build components, and from the touch-up paint on the fork, and 
> the 
> chainstay wrap, and from the month I stared at it behind my desk while I 
> waited for BikeFlights to process my claim, and from the seller's 
> confirmation he obtained the bike from the non-profit to which I sent it.
>
> [image: rear_dropout_3671.jpg][image: rear_full_3617.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3605.jpg][image: rear_triangle_3636.jpg][image: 
> rear_triangle_3676.jpg][image: fork_3612.jpg][image: 
> rear_full_3607.jpg]
>
> Photo from the original ad when I bought the bike, and the recent CL 
> ad. Note the touchup paint on the fork.
>
> [image: image7.jpeg][image: 0_ldynISdBmBPz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg]
>
>
>
>  


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Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Eric Marth]

I love my Appaloosa and all but the all-caps throttle of WHAT OEN SOLD FOR 
ON EBAY is too much. All this copy and no build list? 

Matthew, should have said so sooner, but I'm sorry you received a bike in 
this state and for the agony, annoyance and trauma of having to sort it all 
out. 
On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:08:31 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Tags: Rumpled, crumpled, dimpled, cracked, caked, bent, indented, 
> inverted, squiggly, wiggly, touched-up, touch up, mustard, steel is real, 
> steel is really bent, accident, tire marks, bent, bends, bendy. 
>
> It's interesting how the original ad copy raised a flag for several 
> readers here (myself included) before we knew where this was headed. Thanks 
> Matthew for sharing images of the bike in its mangled state. 
>
> That identifying blemish near the crown of the left fork is the clincher, 
> as if there were any doubt. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:28:56 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>>
>> Agreed.
>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 11:43:03 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> All that purple prose to flip a bike he must have gotten on the cheap, 
>>> and we got a lecture about how one on Ebay went for $4k so this was a deal! 
>>> So uncool. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:41 PM UTC-8 freem...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I contacted the seller. This bike was put on my radar by a friend who 
>>>> is looking to make his Rivendell dream come true.
>>>>
>>>> The conversation with the seller was kind of weird in my opinion. 
>>>>
>>>> Here's how it went:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Me*:Hey, was the frame in an accident?
>>>>
>>>> **he replies immediately**
>>>>
>>>> *Him: *That’s an interesting first question. Yes, but what prompted 
>>>> you to ask that?
>>>>
>>>> *Me:* There's a thread about your post on the rivendell forum. It's my 
>>>> opinion that you should let folks know straight up on the ad. Especially 
>>>> for the price you're asking.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *I stepped away from the computer until now and he sent me the 
>>>> following two messages.*
>>>>
>>>> *Him: *Sure, sounds good. Curious what someone posted. Thx
>>>>
>>>> *Him: *Hi Jon, ok just updated my listing as I agree is totally 
>>>> appropriate and just informed two very interested buyers. I was going to 
>>>> talk about it in person but you’re right it’s really better to put in the 
>>>> listing. It’s hard to tell the seat stay was ever bent. I am very curious 
>>>> what someone posted in the forum and how fair and/or factual what they 
>>>> said 
>>>> is. Is there any way you can forward me the significant part of that 
>>>> thread? I’d really appreciate it. Thx John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The above is an unedited transcription of our exchange, and It's 
>>>> interesting to come back to his messages, his ad update (which I didn't 
>>>> read), and then his post deletion. Weird. 
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad my friend didn't end up getting the bike from him. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:38:55 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Someone must have contacted the seller. The ad has been updated:
>>>>>
>>>>> "This bike is overall in great shape with just a few nicks and 
>>>>> scratches but please note that during transport the rear steel seat stay 
>>>>> was bent, but a very reputable local frame builder realigned/bent it back 
>>>>> and fixed it."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 5, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "A few nicks and scratches from transport and storage.."
>>>>>
>>>>> Well that's one way to put it! 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 12:18:45 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some more photos. I couldn't get the fork to lie flat but I 
>>>>>> tried to capture the bent ends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With regards to, "how do you know it's the same bike?" Well, I owned 
>&

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Eric Marth]

I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes are such 
great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could definitely see the paint 
colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 'em but the RBW 
blue, orange and harvest gold didn't do much for me. New colors are rel 
good. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-5 edwardb...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> But that green is causing it to heat back up 
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell 
>>> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a 
 lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are spectacular. 
 Don't doddle! 

 On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>
>> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm and 
>> fits as it should.  
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart 
>>> on Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the 
>>> years. 
>>> My PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. When 
>>> I 
>>> test rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I 
>>> believe, and it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry 
>>> changes, 
>>> but I'd really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be 
>>> at 
>>> the top end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be sublime.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Hi Bill,

 I'd love the catalog!! 
 Houston Wilson
 Los Angeles, CA

 On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  
> I've stumbled upon a Rivendell Sam Hillborne catalog.  It's from one 
> of the 
> sidepull brake variants of the Sam Hillborne.  If anybody wants it, 
> let me 
> know and I can mail it to whomever.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 7:04:00 AM UTC-8 jak...@me.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am 
>> obsessing over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all 
>> of your 
>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me 
>> until 
>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>
>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Dura-Ace and Japanese Recycling

[Eric Marth]

John, I've never been to Japan! But I've collected a few tidbits in the 
olde mental filing cabinet. 

I'd love to do some riding in Japan one day, hopefully with some 
shinrin-yoku included. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:46:35 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Groovy, Eric! That's on the island of Shikoku. Have you lived in Japan?
>
> Very cool article on the Zero Waste facility. I was, however, nonplussed 
> by this statement: "Kamikatsu's main industry was once forestry, but all 
> that remains of this today are neglected cedar forests." The many cedar 
> forests that I spent time in while in Japan were anything but. I do believe 
> the Japanese have the wisdom to understand the difference between humans 
> managing a forest and letting a forest manage itself. In addition, the 
> Japanese can see clearly beyond the idea of wood being the singular 
> resource of a forest. Shinrin-yoku, forest bathing, is a deep, active 
> cultural practice. Another of my favorite things about living in Japan.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I might have shared this somewhere else on the forum a while back but I'm 
>> also reminded of the stunning recycling center in Kamikatsu that's built 
>> mostly from recycled materials. More info and pictures here.  
>> <https://www.dezeen.com/2021/11/09/kamikatsu-zero-waste-center-hiroshi-nakamura-architecture/>
>>
>> [image: 
>> kamikatsu-zero-waste-center-hiroshi-nakamura-architecture_dezeen_2364_col_0-1704x1136.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 
>> kamikatsu-zero-waste-center-hiroshi-nakamura-architecture-1704x1136.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:34:36 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> I love rescuing stuff from the trash, my friend Gil and I have done this 
>>> for years and we are often subtly one-upping one another with stuff we find 
>>> in dumpsters and on the side of the road. Among my best finds: a fully 
>>> functional, late-model Kitchen Aid stand mixer, a Lightspeed carbon tri 
>>> bike with full Dura Ace and a quilted Ciocc with Campy Athena. Also found a 
>>> new Japanese hand hoe in a dumpster, not of great value but beautiful and 
>>> useful (I was working on an organic farm at the time). 
>>>
>>> This poster detailing waste disposal in Osaka, Japan is like a fentanyl 
>>> patch laid gently on my nucleus accumbens. They really take great care. 
>>>
>>> [image: DKMBRmcXcAAIBhz.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:41:52 AM UTC-5 rus...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’ve used a 2016 Campagnolo Chorus FD with 46 x 34 and 46 x 30 doubles 
>>>> with good results. The Chorus derailleur was originally from a 52 x 39 
>>>> setup. 
>>>>
>>>> Russell Duncan 
>>>> Leverett, MA USA
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:46:03 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For my Rivendell Custom, I use a Dura-Ace FD-7800 (31.8 integral 
>>>>> clamp, 10-speed era) with my RenéHERSE 42-26 double. Chain is a Dura-Ace 
>>>>> 11 speed (ultrasonically cleaned and waxed), cassette is a Dura-Ace 12-28 
>>>>> 11 speed. Rear derailleur is a Dura-Ace RD-7700GS (large pulleys, 9-speed 
>>>>> era). Friction shifted with frame mounted Silver-1 shifters. Everything 
>>>>> works the way it should. 25 to 95 gear range. Basically a 1x system (40 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> 95) on the 42T with a 26T granny bail-out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laing
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:48:03 PM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the 
>>>>>> originally 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact 
>>>>>> doubles I run on many of my bikes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact 
>>>>>> doubles, like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks 
>>>>>> curiosity 
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> Hudson Valley NY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 
>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

[Eric Marth]

Joel — I might be forgetting a color here or there but... I think these new 
ones plus the black are my favorite paint colors for all the Hillbornes :) 

I think these new colors will look especially good with some kinda 
warm-tones saddle (tan, brown), nice big tires with gum sidewalls and warm 
bar tape and grips! Subtle, timeless warmth. Just me, that's my thing, 
maxing out the neutrals. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 4:05:44 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric, I agree.  I do like the blue, have an Orange that I bought as it was 
> the only one I could find when Riv was out, it is ok but not my favorite 
> color. Love that new Silver.  My favorite colors are the Black (like your 
> repainted one) and the new Silver, absolutely beautiful colors. There are 
> probably others I have not seen but that silver has my vote. 
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 12:22 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> I'll be interested to see how quickly these move. The Hillbornes are such 
>> great bikes, adaptable for many purposes. I could definitely see the paint 
>> colors this round getting buyers excited. Nothing against 'em but the RBW 
>> blue, orange and harvest gold didn't do much for me. New colors are rel 
>> good. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-5 edwardb...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But that green is causing it to heat back up 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 8:09 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’m with Johnny. I think the market is cooling down. 
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022, Johnny Alien  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> It will sell well but I don't think we are going to see immediate sell 
>>>>> outs on anything the way it had been happening.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:52:36 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep. The folks who will never ride a mixte/step-thru haven't had a 
>>>>>> lugged Riv on the block in quite a while and these colors are 
>>>>>> spectacular. 
>>>>>> Don't doddle! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 9:41:51 PM UTC-8 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you folks think they will sell out quickly ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:30 PM J S  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul, my custom was 56cm measured by Grant, my Hillborne is 51cm 
>>>>>>>> and fits as it should.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:56 PM Paul Clifton  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not looking to buy a Sam, but I just glanced at the size chart 
>>>>>>>>> on Instagram, and, wow, the sizing has changed dramatically over the 
>>>>>>>>> years. 
>>>>>>>>> My PBH is 82cm. That puts me on a 51cm Sam for this current batch. 
>>>>>>>>> When I 
>>>>>>>>> test rode one of the originals with caliper brakes, it was a 56cm I 
>>>>>>>>> believe, and it fit perfectly. I haven't kept up with the geometry 
>>>>>>>>> changes, 
>>>>>>>>> but I'd really like to see what it's like to ride a 51cm frame and be 
>>>>>>>>> at 
>>>>>>>>> the top end of a size range for once. I bet the reach would be 
>>>>>>>>> sublime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul in AR
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 1:47:53 PM UTC-6 Houston Wilson 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd love the catalog!! 
>>>>>>>>>> Houston Wilson
>>>>>>>>>> Los Angeles, CA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 8:16:50 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For the voracious and anxious waiters of shipping containers:  
>>>>>>>>>>> I've st

[RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

[Eric Marth]

That thing sold *fast*. There was another Bombadill up this week with a bid 
but someone went ahead and hit Buy It Now. 
On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 8:12:55 AM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I'm so curious who bought the beautiful Bombadil that was on ebay 
> recently.  The frame only, in a beautiful yellow, with the lng diagonal 
> tube.I've never seen one like it and I think if I ever get my appaloosa 
> custom painted I will go with a bright yellow

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[RBW] Re: For sale: Made in USA plaid shirts, wool and cotton

[Eric Marth]

All plaids sold, pending payment. 

Thanks for enjoying groovy MUSA offerings. 

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:27:33 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> I have a few shirts for sale that are not getting as much wear as they 
> should. Good lighter weight layers for riding and regulating temperature, 
> especially the wool. 
>
> Prices are net to me and do not include shipping. Thanks! 
>
> [image: IMG_4012.JPG]
>
> *1. Gitman Brothers brushed cotton flannel — $30*
> A nice gray and white plaid in brushed cotton flannel. Made in USA. 
> Labeled a size medium. There's some light pilling. Laid flat it's 22" from 
> pit to pit and 28" from the top of the shoulder to the bottom hem. Made in 
> USA. 
>
> [image: IMG_4015.JPG]
>
> *2. Sir Pendleton lightweight wool shirt — $30*
> A brown plaid with green, red, blue, yellow and white. This is labeled a 
> large and does not seem to have any shrinkage issues. It measures 22” pit 
> to pit and 30” from top of shoulder to bottom hem. Made in USA. The Sir 
> Pendleton shirts have a button collar and are lighter than your everyday 
> point collar and camp cut Pendletons. 
>
> [image: IMG_4027.JPG]
>
> *3. Sir Pendleton lightweight wool shirt — $20*
> This is labeled an XL and fits like a medium-ish. It's a little short in 
> the sleeves for me. From pit to pit it's 22", top of shoulder to bottom hem 
> is 28". From pit to cuff is 20". There is some wear through the wool at the 
> cuffs. Made in USA. 
>
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[RBW] Re: For sale: Low pressure gauges (brand new)

[Eric Marth]

Both gauges sold, pending payment. 

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:44:34 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Soo... I somehow ordered three of these great Meiser low pressure 
> gauges. They go up to 60 psi. Far more accurate than a floor pump. Brass, 
> presta valve fitting. 
>
> Brand new in package. One package is a little beat up. 
>
> Say, $12.50 each plus shipping to you? 
>
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>
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[RBW] Gus & Susie frames available at Crust

[Eric Marth]

If anyone missed out Crust just stocked Gus & Susie frames. They got just 
one frame in each size/color combo. 

https://crustbikes.com/products/rivendell-gus-boots-susie-longbolts

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Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Eric Marth]

I've noticed a fair bit of interest in Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames over 
the last few years. The frames certainly seem to sell on the used market 
for quite a lot, compared to other Rivendell frames. 

Can someone give me a quick run-down of these bikes and what their intended 
purposes were? How do they differ from the more robust Riv mainstays like 
the Atlantis & Appaloosa? 

Cheers my dears

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:36:29 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Indeed, I suspect I may have one of the last customs Rivendell assigned to 
> Mark Nobilette. They're not taking orders currently and I'm not sure Grant 
> sees any point in getting back into that game, he has enough on his plate 
> just getting production models out there to everybody who wants one. 
>
> My answer for a revived frame is uh I don't have one. Said custom has 
> all the current Riv philosophies built into it - long front center, high 
> headtube, low step-over, long stays - and I don't have a particular 
> affinity for the older styles. If I was looking for a production Riv now 
> I'd want what they sell now, they work! 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:33:16 AM UTC-8 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Another vote for the Bombadil.  Just to add content around a one off 
>> production from Riv, I spoke to the good folks at Rivendell a bit this year 
>> and they are not doing any customs or special orders currently, I wanted a 
>> 56cm Bombadil, they said maybe next year (like fall 2023) if at all. 
>>  Perhaps others have a better tie in there, but for me, I'm stuck waiting 
>> and watching for someone to grace me with my favorite bike and LOTR name of 
>> all time.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Saluki as it started the 650b Rivendell excursion.  Also the Yves Gomez 
>>> as I never had a chance to get one.  The AR should get honorable mention.  
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:46:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. 
 The parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a 
 lift though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my 
 Feedback workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the 
 over inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra tubes. 
 All those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though. 

 This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a 
 previous model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the 
 blueprints, the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back 
 models as those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the menu" 
 , formerly "on the menu" models.  
 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:

> Bombadil, no question.
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little 
>> coin..
>>
>> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for 
>> now.. :) 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can 
>>> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I 
>>> believe) 
>>> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal 
>>>  is the best 
>>> Riv has done. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to 
 level top tube and shorter chain stays

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:

> I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR 
> COAT...
>
> I hope Grant is listening
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy 
> Albright  wrote: 
>
>
> All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick 
> which model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to 
> resurrect 
> one out of production modelwhich would you choose? 
>
> After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see 
> merit of the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through 
> that 
> feels like a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty 
> surfboard. I 
> absolutely adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite 
> being 
> a natural and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of 
> the 
> thread "a tale of two clems" by Ding Ding! as 

Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for the info, Jim. Now I wish I'd started a new thread rather than 
occasioning academic thread drift! 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:53:13 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Correct, my custom is a brightened up version of the grey/kidney bean 
> which was originally the custom paint on Mark @ Riv's cyclocrosser before 
> it landed on Hunqapillar. Interestingly (to me!) the dove grey I ended up 
> with was the same color (without red) on his FIRST cyclocrosser. I used to 
> be able to find pics of his bikes on the webs but they've disappeared now. 
> [image: 
> Screenshot_20221209_184831.jpg]
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:37:10 PM UTC-8 J J wrote:
>
>> Eric, here's a rundown — it's not a quick one but it is thorough and 
>> interesting :)  Joe, your asterisked point is apropos. The Toyo Atlantis 
>> I've been riding lately does not feel like it is lacking stoutness at all.
>>
>> So I looked up the actual Hunqapillar copy from April 28, 2011 that was 
>> on Riv's site. It's slightly different from the info in the Hunqapillar 
>> brochure! As with everything Rivendell, specs and info are subject to 
>> change without warning — and they did. I attached the copy here as a PDF, 
>> but the first few grafs from *April 28, 2011* are telling. This is when 
>> the Hunq frame, fork, and headset cost $1,500.
>>
>>- *It's a stout touring-trail bike, somewhere between an Atlantis and 
>>a Bombadil. It has Bomba-stout tubing --- about 0.1mm thicker in the main 
>>tubes than the Atlantis tubing*.  But like the Atlantis, the 
>>Hunqapillar has either 26-inch or 700c wheels, depending on the frame 
>> size 
>>(48cm-51/26; 54-58-62/700C). Geometry here 
>>
>> 
>>.
>>- Again Bombadil-like, it has an expanded frame, meaning the listed 
>>size truly is the length of the seat tube, and then from that point the 
>> top 
>>tube slopes up six degrees. This increases the standover height (compared 
>>to a top tube that's level or slopes up less), and that's why you ride 
>>about 3 to 6cm smaller than you would, say, a Surly or Masi. And as long 
>> as 
>>you buy down a few centimeters, you'll have the standover clearance you 
>>like. 
>>- 
>> *The Hunqapillar frame is an interesting mix of materials and 
>>co-conspirators. It's made in Taiwan by a team of builders trained by 
>> Tetsu 
>>Ishigaki, of Toyo. The main tubes are the most expensive steel tubing we 
>>could find anywhere --- Japanese Kaisei 8630 heat-treated. The seat and 
>>chainstays are excellent Taiwan CrMo. The fork is made in Japan by Tetsu 
>>Ishigaki at Toyo. *
>>- *Note: *58 + 62cm Hunqapillars have been built with *both 26.8 and 
>>27.2 inner seat tube dimensions*. If you are buying a frame-only from 
>>us, check with us before buying/using a seat-post from someone else, and 
>>we'll let you know which one works for your frame. 
>>
>> It was pitched as a "budgetated" version of the Bombadil (see below), for 
>> loaded touring on any surface, and for riding with any kind of handlebar. 
>> This info above was from when the Hunq was being produced in Taiwan. It 
>> wasn't long thereafter that Hunq production moved to Waterford and its 
>> standard colors changed from dark grey and kidney bean (*which inspired 
>> your beautiful bike, right Joe?*) to the green and cream Hunq that I 
>> have ("Jay's green"). For reasons I won't get into right now, I was 
>> watching this movement happen in real time because I had one of the grey 
>> Taiwan models before I got the green Waterford model. This switch from 
>> Taiwan to Waterford happened late 2011 to early 2012. The price went up 
>> $375, too. 
>>
>> *Now the following is from October 6, 2012.* At this point it was listed 
>> as being made both in Taiwan and Wisconsin, but the price was $1,875. It no 
>> longer mentioned tube thickness.
>>
>>- *Hunqapillar*
>>- *New color! Green with cream details/decals. *More, better, photos 
>>on the Hunqaflikr 
>>
>> 
>>.
>>- *History. Concept. Etc.*
>>- Our most extravagant, screw-the-expense bike is the off-roady 
>>Bombadil, and *the Hunqapillar is a budgetated version of that 
>>bike—only slightly short-cutted to make it a lot more affordable and 
>> barely 
>>less heavy duty than it’s much more expensive big brother. But still—the 
>>Hunqapillar is extremely labor-intensive bike by any standards, you pay 
>>more for it than you will for a welded bike. (Not a jab at welded bikes, 
>>just a fact.)*
>>- Like all of our bikes, the Hunqapillar is hand-made of fine, lugged 
>>steel, and uses our own quite expensive and fine investment-cast fittings.
>>
>>
>>- The Hunqapillar is a touring bik

Re: [RBW] Gus & Susie frames available at Crust

[Eric Marth]

Scott — Sweeet! That must have been very fun, I'm glad you nabbed a frame 
:) 

Joe's right, you gotta try clicking the sizes and colors, it's weird and 
glitchy. 

As of this posting they have: 

Small Gus: One orange, one mermaid
Medium Gus: None
Large Gus: None
XL Gus: One mermaid 

Small Susie: One lime-olive, one gold
Medium Susie: One gold
Large Susie: None
XL Susie: One lime-olive, one gold 

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:17:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I see some Susies left, that site is hard to use, you gotta plink around 
> in all the boxes for a while. 
>
> I rally want that Small Mermaid Gus but rally can't justify the 
> dollars right now. Ack! 
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 4:46:15 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Wait.., what? How? Susie’s are gone.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2022, at 6:27 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> If anyone missed out Crust just stocked Gus & Susie frames. They got 
>> just one frame in each size/color combo. 
>>
>> https://crustbikes.com/products/rivendell-gus-boots-susie-longbolts
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[Eric Marth]

I believe MKS uses varying grades of bearings in their pedals. For example, 
they sell the Sylvan pedals at several different price points and the 
deluxe super-spinner bearings are in the more expensive version. 

Behold: the Bubblies have better bearings than the Bears? 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:10:22 AM UTC-5 joshm...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have blue lug sharks that I've put upwards of 2k miles on this year and 
> they don't spin like any of my mks pedals. They're great/look great but I'm 
> fairly certain they are the last non-mks pedals I'll buy and I'm pretty ok 
> with that. Of course ymmv...
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, 9:29 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
>> The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, the 
>> Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger platform 
>> of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set to replace 
>> my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear traps at all. 
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, 
>>> and/or you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
>>> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. 
>>> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing 
>>> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
>>> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 
>>>
>>> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin 
>>> freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs because 
>>> they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one 
>>> will spin better or worse than the other.
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus 
 add some vintage charm!

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Hey Max,
>
> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
> observation.
>
> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals 
> and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong 
> with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different 
> level.
>
> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, 
> you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road 
> you 
> get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.
>
> Jared in SLO
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went 
>> to my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly 
>> pedals - I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but 
>> unfortunately 
>> they only had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks website, 
>> but the polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in 
>> about 
>> a month at best)
>>
>> Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear 
>> Trap III and ordered them in silver. 
>>
>> They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less 
>> smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive $62 
>> vs 
>> $100 but still, is this normal?
>>
>> Is it the lack of sealed bearings that affects rotational performance?
>>
>> Will I feel a real difference if I go with one over the other?
>>
>> Thanks for your opinions and knowledge.
>>
>> Max in Boston
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedals, MKS XC Bear Trap III vs. MKS Bubble Pedals

[Eric Marth]

All of this aside, when do you need a pedal to spin more than 1/4 turn? 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:49:52 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> I believe MKS uses varying grades of bearings in their pedals. For 
> example, they sell the Sylvan pedals at several different price points and 
> the deluxe super-spinner bearings are in the more expensive version. 
>
> Behold: the Bubblies have better bearings than the Bears? 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:10:22 AM UTC-5 joshm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have blue lug sharks that I've put upwards of 2k miles on this year and 
>> they don't spin like any of my mks pedals. They're great/look great but I'm 
>> fairly certain they are the last non-mks pedals I'll buy and I'm pretty ok 
>> with that. Of course ymmv...
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022, 9:29 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>
>>> The bear trap will get smoother over time but never match the Bubbly, 
>>> the Bubbly is the smoothest pedal I’ve ever seen. I prefer the larger 
>>> platform of the Bubbly (they are on my commuter) but haven’t bought a set 
>>> to replace my bear trap pedals on my Susie. Nothing wrong with the bear 
>>> traps at all. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:49:46 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Max,  your description sounds like they may be adjusted too tight, 
>>>> and/or you're simply noticing a difference between the open and cartridge 
>>>> bearings. Most pedals that I've owned didn't come with much grease either. 
>>>> More grease until it oozes out the sides !  Then make sure the bearing 
>>>> isn't loaded too much. Pedals from the factory are no guarantee of proper 
>>>> adjustment, not unlike Shimano hubs. 
>>>>
>>>> As for the ability to spin, as long as it spins freely, it'll spin 
>>>> freely. Don't bother comparing the "feel" to cartridge bearing hubs 
>>>> because 
>>>> they're not cartridge bearings in the hubs. Neither bearing type means one 
>>>> will spin better or worse than the other.
>>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:50:12 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have the OG Suntours and they spin for days. Get a rebuilt pair plus 
>>>>> add some vintage charm!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:22:36 PM UTC-8 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Max,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't speak to the "why" aspect, but you're not crazy in your 
>>>>>> observation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have (3) pairs of the BL BT III and (1) pair of the Bubbly pedals 
>>>>>> and they're not in the same category. Not to say there's anything wrong 
>>>>>> with the Bear Traps, but the Bubbly pedals are on an entirely different 
>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, either option good and you shouldn't regret your decision, 
>>>>>> you did what works for the time being and maybe later on down the road 
>>>>>> you 
>>>>>> get to try the alternative, but I wouldn't dwell on it all that much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jared in SLO
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:05:10 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I decided to get new pedals for the bike I'm building. First I went 
>>>>>>> to my LBS (Cambridge Bicycles) and they suggested the Simworks Bubbly 
>>>>>>> pedals - I really liked the spin on them and the looks, but 
>>>>>>> unfortunately 
>>>>>>> they only had the olives in stock. They sent me to the Simworks 
>>>>>>> website, 
>>>>>>> but the polished were sold out. (Their next order was going to be in 
>>>>>>> about 
>>>>>>> a month at best)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reading through the forum I saw good comments on the Blue Lug Bear 
>>>>>>> Trap III and ordered them in silver. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They arrived today and I'm surprised because they feel much less 
>>>>>>> smooth than the bubbly ones. To be fair they are much less expensive 
>>>>>>> $62 vs 
&

[RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

[Eric Marth]

@FoolishGold: Nice pics! That silver Bombadil needs to modifications! 

There was some nice Hunq/Bombi discourse on "Which Riv would you resurrect" 
thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and start a thread. 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana 
> frame! 
>
> Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many frames 
> were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

[Eric Marth]

Yeah, I confirmed with John he got that Bombadil ;) 

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:05:47 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> John Watson (Radavist, Pro’s Closet, etc) just posted what I assume is 
> this same yellow Bombadil on his Instagram stories. Perhaps he’s the one 
> who snagged it?
> john watson (@johnprolly) • Instagram photos and videos 
> <https://instagram.com/johnprolly?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=>
> instagram.com <https://instagram.com/johnprolly?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=>
> [image: 120809630_204863527893800_2675339226380751525_n.jpg] 
> <https://instagram.com/johnprolly?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=> 
> <https://instagram.com/johnprolly?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> @FoolishGold: Nice pics! That silver Bombadil needs to modifications! 
>
>
> There was some nice Hunq/Bombi discourse on "Which Riv would you 
> resurrect" thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and start a thread. 
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana 
>> frame! 
>>
>> Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many frames 
>> were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn more if others 
have insight. 

Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really appreciate you have the 
screenshot from when you bought it. That's the kind of receipt I like. 
Please keep us updated on how it handles with the very wide drops and other 
changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on that bike! 

Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the thread, I'd 
say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, never would have 
guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only through reading about 
Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell Mountain Works as a point 
of inspiration as well. 

Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies for the erratic 
upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects but I don't want to be a 
full-time YouTube person. 
On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I really admire your 
> style and have even learned a few tricks from your excellent build videos. 
> Sorry for the tangent.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I 
>> might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here 
>> are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an 
>> expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
>> appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
>> inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
>> he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
>> references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
>> may be others:
>>
>> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
>> Fellowship of the Ring is formed
>> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
>> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
>> Sackville-Bagginses
>> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits 
>> out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in 
>> Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the 
>> dismay of many fans.
>> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
>> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
>> and Pippin during the Ent Moot
>>
>> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
>>> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
 Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
 these two models. 

 On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're 
> stout, beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. 
> While I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on 
> the 
> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>
> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>
> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
> thread 
> ,
>  there's 
> some great info there. 
>
> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>
> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>
> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>
> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's 
> got 
> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>
> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>
> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
> here .
>
> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>
> Are both of these frame names 

Re: [RBW] Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

I'm enjoying the discussion, pics and details! 

Does anyone have a higher-res version of this absurd Hunq poster? 

[image: 440ebc01ea30bd8ba7f7e5328708bea2--urban-life-bicycle-art.jpg]

On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:11:30 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> This is certainly an interesting and complex question and I am in no 
> position to provide any answers or guidance but think it's further 
> complicated by overall cost changes over time and how it's been mentioned 
> before how some of the Tolkien models like Bombadil & Legolas essentially 
> became off menu, non-custom customs - wasn't it something like a stock geo 
> Nobilette built but non-Joe Bell paint frame so significantly less than a 
> full custom and more of a made-to-order with the custom builder... in other 
> words, were they ever actually being made in the same exact place, even 
> when both were MUSA?  
>
> Years ago before acquiring my 65cm Clem H I actually posed a similar 
> question to Will regarding the Waterford made A.Homer Hilsen vs. Waterford 
> made 64cm Sam Hillborne, which was the only MUSA made Hillborne size at the 
> time, and had me wondering what, if anything, would ultimately make the two 
> differ in overall cost/value/performance when considering a made to order 
> canti-equipped countrybike with both options going through Waterford.  I 
> was just over the recommended pbh range for the production 62cm Hillborne 
> and understood going to Waterford for a 64cm Sam would essentially 
> eliminate the value gained from the Taiwan production Sam's so I really was 
> just looking to verify whether the ultimate difference may more or less 
> boil down to a visual one with the sloping Hillborne vs. the more 
> horizontal Homer, if overall costs and tubing at that size would 
> effectively balance out.  The whole discussion ended up being moot since 
> this was in fact right at the time the 64cm Sam was already pulled and they 
> just hadn't gotten around the updating the site yet to reflect the changes 
> and Riv's recommendation became a 67cm AHH by default.  Of course, the 65cm 
> Clem H was also about to be released and ultimately meet my value based 
> mega size Rivendell biking needs.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>
> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 2:29:05 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've often wondered what made the Hunq the "less expensive Bombadil" 
>> given the tubing being as Grant calls "the most expensive tubes around". 
>>  I'm assuming it was based on it being MIT and the Bomba being a MUSA 
>> frame?  IF so, were they equally priced once the Hunq moved to MUSA 
>> Waterford, why/why not?  I figured it was something similar to the 
>> manufacturing locations of the Quickbeam/SimpleOne with the exception that 
>> those two have identical geometry and the Hunq/Bomba are different.  I'm 
>> only asking because its often referred here as the cheaper bomba, but I was 
>> of the understanding it was more like the 700c bike (hunq) and the bomba 
>> was the 650b earlier option.  
>>
>> Probably a messy way to ask but to clean it up, can anyone tell me if the 
>> Hunq was actually that much cheaper once it was moved to Wisconsin and also 
>> if the tubing stayed the same once it was manufactured in the US?
>>
>> thanks! Love these two bikes and this thread!
>> Jason
>>
>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 11:44:50 AM UTC-6 Dick Combs wrote:
>>
>>> They are the same, both the originals that came with the frame
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 11:24:59 AM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>>
 Cool pair of Hunqs! are the forks different? Or is it just the photo 
 angle that makes the curve on the fork on the one with the black saddle 
 look different?

 On Monday, December 12, 2022 at 6:56:43 AM UTC-5 Dick Combs wrote:

> [image: 61977D70-55E2-4782-A93A-A8333171AFD6.jpeg][image: 
> 7A5D4923-2037-4ACB-81D6-3091B473A0FB.jpeg]My two Hunqs
>
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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Eric Marth]

Gus Boots Wilsen
57cm
$2,000 
Knoxville, TN

https://knoxville.craigslist.org/bik/d/greenville-2022-rivendell-gus-boots/7557073606.html

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:54:29 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>
> Heron F/F/HS
> 59cm
> Glencoe, Missouri
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/225290552848
>
> [image: s-l1600-1.jpg]
>
> Emmet's Atlantis
> 62cm
> $4,100
> Johnstown, Penna. 
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/I0J98HEzLE8/m/kIFrddphAwAJ
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/204180214887
>
> [image: 00C0C_cYCQbXn7REEz_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
>
> Platypus F/F/HS
> 60cm
> $1,637
> Eugene, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/7564024599.html
>
>
> On Friday, November 4, 2022 at 2:19:43 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> There's a 62cm Hunqapillar complete at Hope Cyclery for $3,600
>>  
>> [image: IMG_3589.PNG]
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Headsets and Chains

[Eric Marth]

Thanks again to Corwin for helping with the sale and purchase of these 
headsets. I've got one I'm preparing to use for a build. 

I understand the Grease Guard design was licensed by Suntour, does anyone 
know who made these WTB headsets and where? I'm also curious to know *when* 
they 
were manufactured. All part of the story. Thanks!

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 2:55:54 AM UTC-4 Corwin wrote:

> Bump!
>
> Jacquie and Charlie want everyone to know they still have lots of headsets 
> and chains for anyone that wants or needs one or both.
>
> Please contact Jacquie (jacquie "at" batnet.com) if you're interested.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:08 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> Posting this for a couple friends. Charlie Cunningham and Jacquie Phelan 
>> have an ample store of spare parts. Today, we offer you WTB headsets and 
>> Sachs/Sedis chains. Please send mail directly to Jacquie: Jacquie at 
>> batnet.com. Payment should be via paypal using Jacquie's email address. 
>> Friends and family only please. Please do not send any money until Jacquie 
>> confirms your purchase.
>>
>> About the headsets... These are WTB Grease Guard headsets. Grease Guard 
>> was a "thing" back in the early days of mountain biking. Charlie created 
>> Grease Guard and SunTour licensed it. Wilderness Trail Bikes (WTB) is the 
>> company Charlie founded and was later forced out of. These are 1" threaded 
>> headsets, and are new-in-box. Each box is personally signed by Charlie, so 
>> you not only get a great headset - you get a piece of history and a 
>> collector's item. The headsets are priced at $75 plus shipping via USPS.
>>
>> About the chains... These are Sachs/Sedis 6/7/8 speed chains. They 
>> measure 57 inches long and therefore have 114 links each. The chains are 
>> new and unused. You can buy a less expensive chain elsewhere - or you can 
>> buy one of these Sachs/Sedis chains, get a piece of history and help out 
>> Jacquie and Charlie. The chains are priced at $40 each plus shipping via 
>> USPS.
>>
>> Link for photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/FMZGGcXysNkzkBBR7
>>
>> Thanks for looking,
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Headsets and Chains

[Eric Marth]

Scott — Nice for the price and would buy again and not think twice. 

Nice finish, seems to be considered a good design by people who've run them 
on their bikes. Zero miles on mine so far. 

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:34:46 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

> Lol.  Still getting used to this place.  Just realized my last comment 
> responded to something from 6+ months ago...so it goes...at least the 
> thread was current ;)
>
> That said, just want to thank the OP again for doing this as CC is so 
> meaningful to the sport of cycling and any support directed his way is 
> great!  Hope to see more opportunities like this.  Thx!
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 6:26:14 PM UTC-6 Justus G wrote:
>
>> I think Greg is actually referring to the SS model, which is an early 
>> Ibis bike, as opposed to meaning single speed.
>>
>> As someone with a couple of Scorchers, I will only say that the one thing 
>> that is more fun than an Ibis Scorcher is a Willits Scorcher with Schwalbe 
>> 2.35" Big Ones.  Fixed and Plush!  In fact, I never really enjoyed fixed 
>> riding as much, until I rode fixed and fat.  The originals are an 
>> interesting insight into the influence Wes would ultimately have and so 
>> cool, but he really nailed it with the Willits versions as a blast of a 
>> bike.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Greg...is that Ibis the Scorcher? Man...that bike was so cool. If it 
>>> didn't in some way inspire the Bridgestone X0-1 , I'd be very surprised. 
>>> They certainly both have that iconoclastic vibe 
>>>
>>> http://www.63xc.com/scorcher/scorcher.htm 
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 12:48:56 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>>
 I am also thinking hard about which bike is appropriate for this 
 headset.  The closest I have to that era MTB is an Ibis SS, but I'm 
 thinking maybe the '81 Ritchey sport-touring or the Riv Wford All-Rounder?

 Greg

 On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I'm going to put the headset in a place of high honor on my new 
> forthcoming Nobilette Roadeo.  In honor of Charlie I'm going to execute 
> two 
> maker projects:
>
> 1. I'm going to make a little plastic shadowbox to display the 
> postcard of Jacquie and Charlie, along with the autographed headset box.  
> I'll hang that on my wall.
> 2. But wait, Bill, your new Roadeo is going to be 1" threadless!  
> Yup!  In my community college machine shop class, I'm going to convert 
> this 
> threaded headset into a threadless headset.  How the heck are you gonna 
> pull of that craziness?!?!  Wait and see!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-7 Mitch Browne wrote:
>
>> Received my NIB headset and chain yesterday.  Nice picture card of 
>> Jacquie and Charlie inside box.
>>
>> Mitch
>> San Luis Obispo, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> I got a headset coming my way. I don't even know what it's for. I'm 
>>> turning 50 next month, maybe I'll incorporate it into a bike present 
>>> for 
>>> myself!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 12:03 PM Bill Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This was such an obvious purchase.  I sat back to be polite and let 
 all the smart money buy them up.  When I emailed Jacquie she still had 
 headsets to sell.  So I bought a headset and a chain.  I'll sit back 
 again 
 to let the smart money buy what remains, but after my politeness runs 
 out, 
 I might go back and buy more.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:08 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:

> Hi -
>
> Posting this for a couple friends. Charlie Cunningham and Jacquie 
> Phelan have an ample store of spare parts. Today, we offer you WTB 
> headsets 
> and Sachs/Sedis chains. Please send mail directly to Jacquie: Jacquie 
> at batnet.com. Payment should be via paypal using Jacquie's email 
> address. Friends and family only please. Please do not send any money 
> until 
> Jacquie confirms your purchase.
>
> About the headsets... These are WTB Grease Guard headsets. Grease 
> Guard was a "thing" back in the early days of mountain biking. 
> Charlie 
> created Grease Guard and SunTour licensed it. Wilderness Trail Bikes 
> (WTB) 
> is the company Charlie founded and was later forced out of. These are 
> 1" 
> threaded headsets, and are new-in-box. Each box is personally signed 
> by 
> Charlie, so you not only get a great headset - you get a piece of 
> history 
> and a collector's item. The hea

[RBW] Re: For sale: Rivendell wool cap, Rivendell wool baselayer

[Eric Marth]

Baselayer sold, cheers. 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 9:03:52 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Two Riv woolies for sale :) 
>
> Prices are net to me and do not include shipping. Venmo or PayPal friends 
> & family preferred. 
>
> Thanks!
>
> [image: IMG_4164.JPG]
>
> *Rivendell by Randi Jo wool cap — $40*
> This is a size large in Randi Jo sizing and a size "medium" in Rivendell 
> sizing as confirmed by Eric at RJF. It's worn in with a bit of overall 
> fading and some discoloration to the interior band. 
>
> [image: IMG_4163.JPG]
>
> *Rivendell MUSA wool long sleeve baselayer — $40*
> Labeled a size medium, not shrunken or mistreated by improper drying. It's 
> grey with purple stripes, color is most accurate in the picture with the 
> cap. Long sleeves, made in USA. Pit to pit: 20". Overall length: 26". It's 
> 100% wool, of course. I can't find any holes. 
>
> [image: IMG_4168.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_4165.JPG]
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Headsets and Chains

[Eric Marth]

Scott — Some fine-grit sandpaper or a razor blade could make quick work of 
the decals. Though I'd hardly call the eight-point font on the headset 
which you could only read once you get within a foot of the bike "a 
billboard." 

On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 12:31:28 PM UTC-5 Jingy wrote:

> Scott, here are the photos you requested and a link to some more: 
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1v5Hsa_jF_Y3cdLF9GDtnCxCac-wKfSLX?usp=share_link
>
> Jim
>
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:21:03 PM UTC-6 Scott wrote:
>
>> Eric, thanks for your take on headset!
>>
>> I was hoping Corwin would post pictures of the headset laid out, not 
>> stacked, so one could visualize the respective parts. And one picture I'd 
>> like a do-over of is the one that glares out the side of box that lists kit 
>> contents.
>>
>> It's esthetically pleasing, anyways. I could do without the 
>> lettering/language, as I don't like serving as a company's billboard.
>>
>> Are bearings cartridge or carriage type?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 5:54 PM, Eric Marth
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Scott — Nice for the price and would buy again and not think twice. 
>>
>> Nice finish, seems to be considered a good design by people who've run 
>> them on their bikes. Zero miles on mine so far. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 7:34:46 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Lol.  Still getting used to this place.  Just realized my last comment 
>> responded to something from 6+ months ago...so it goes...at least the 
>> thread was current ;)
>>
>> That said, just want to thank the OP again for doing this as CC is so 
>> meaningful to the sport of cycling and any support directed his way is 
>> great!  Hope to see more opportunities like this.  Thx!
>> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 6:26:14 PM UTC-6 Justus G wrote:
>>
>> I think Greg is actually referring to the SS model, which is an early 
>> Ibis bike, as opposed to meaning single speed.
>>
>> As someone with a couple of Scorchers, I will only say that the one thing 
>> that is more fun than an Ibis Scorcher is a Willits Scorcher with Schwalbe 
>> 2.35" Big Ones.  Fixed and Plush!  In fact, I never really enjoyed fixed 
>> riding as much, until I rode fixed and fat.  The originals are an 
>> interesting insight into the influence Wes would ultimately have and so 
>> cool, but he really nailed it with the Willits versions as a blast of a 
>> bike.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>> Greg...is that Ibis the Scorcher? Man...that bike was so cool. If it 
>> didn't in some way inspire the Bridgestone X0-1 , I'd be very surprised. 
>> They certainly both have that iconoclastic vibe 
>>
>> http://www.63xc.com/scorcher/scorcher.htm 
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 12:48:56 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>
>> I am also thinking hard about which bike is appropriate for this headset. 
>>  The closest I have to that era MTB is an Ibis SS, but I'm thinking maybe 
>> the '81 Ritchey sport-touring or the Riv Wford All-Rounder?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to put the headset in a place of high honor on my new 
>> forthcoming Nobilette Roadeo.  In honor of Charlie I'm going to execute two 
>> maker projects:
>>
>> 1. I'm going to make a little plastic shadowbox to display the postcard 
>> of Jacquie and Charlie, along with the autographed headset box.  I'll hang 
>> that on my wall.
>> 2. But wait, Bill, your new Roadeo is going to be 1" threadless!  Yup!  
>> In my community college machine shop class, I'm going to convert this 
>> threaded headset into a threadless headset.  How the heck are you gonna 
>> pull of that craziness?!?!  Wait and see!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:46:16 AM UTC-7 Mitch Browne wrote:
>>
>> Received my NIB headset and chain yesterday.  Nice picture card of 
>> Jacquie and Charlie inside box.
>>
>> Mitch
>> San Luis Obispo, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 6:02:26 PM UTC-7 Eric D

Re: [RBW] For sale: Suntour hats

[Eric Marth]

Hello — I shipped out hats yesterday and emailed everyone to let them know. 
Thought I'd post here in case I missed anyone. 

Thanks! 

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 9:30:13 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Thanks, Brendon. Shipping to Australia will be $20 which sounds high but 
> might be reasonable considering rates overall. The hats weight 4oz and I 
> can send them in a plastic mailer bag. 
>
> Next batch will be on charcoal black hats with white embroidery. Here's a 
> computer rendering using the latest AI tech and a picture of the blanks. 
> Caps have a cloth strap and no branding. 
>
> They're available for $30 shipped, CON-US. I can ship internationally but 
> let me know your country and postal code so I can work up a quote. 
>
> I don't have the hats on hand but I'm taking pre-orders. I placed the 
> order two days ago and they'll be ready in about two weeks, barring any 
> delays from vendors. 
>
> [image: unnamed.jpg]
> [image: unnamed.png]
> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 7:40:57 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> It is such a nice hat Eric, I would love one but shipping to Aus would be 
>> more than the hat.
>> :(
>>
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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

[Eric Marth]

Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pack list for the 
low weight you describe hauling :) 

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:49:53 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Nice rig, Brian! 
>
> I'm reminded of Brendon's seat-tube bag on his Susie, this was the best 
> picture I could find. I believe it's a repurposed top tube bag. 
>
> [image: DSC_0190.jpg]
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Goddamn that’s SICK
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:00:09 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next trip! 
>>> I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes out like, 
>>> I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 
>>>
>>> Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I was thinking 
>>> about doing that as well but thought it might not be super stable. I have 
>>> it mounted with the stock mount the Edelux came with but haven’t had a 
>>> chance to test it very much. It has been studded riding for weeks and I 
>>> have those on the Clem with fenders… Loving your setup!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I've finally gotten my bikepacking setup dialed in on my Gus, 
>>>> and thought I'd share. My previous efforts were a bit slapdash, but I'm 
>>>> planning on a couple of overnighters down in Florida this winter and want 
>>>> to take Gus with me. After all, that's what I bought this bike for (I 
>>>> replaced my old Surly Troll with this Gus for off-road bikepacking).
>>>>
>>>> 8.5 lbs in the rear, and 5.5 lbs up front. I haven't factored in food 
>>>> and clothing, but this is my typical weight distribution.
>>>>
>>>> All bags are supported; the rear BxB Goldback is secured to my saddle 
>>>> via a Carradice Bagman QR, and is primarily supported by the R14. The 
>>>> front 
>>>> Fab's Chest is supported by my makeshift "Pec Deck", which also 
>>>> conveniently holds my Edelux. I'm also currently working with Andy Schmidt 
>>>> from Lord's Luggage in Portland to design a prototype frame bag for the 
>>>> space behind the seat tube on Gus and Susies - more to come on that early 
>>>> next year!
>>>>
>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/rGKnL3BhiXeUeZGp6
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Will's Roadini SS

[Eric Marth]

Will: "The stale pee look I was looking for." 

I love a good shellac recipe and keep them in my mental index. 

On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 5:19:32 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> This is funny. I mostly ride a fixed gear road bike, but this thread has 
> me thinking about a SS FW road bike. I could use a tensioner for that kind 
> of build, which would open up a lot of interesting frames to think about. 
>
> I could finally flip over one of my flip/flop wheels and give it a try, I 
> guess. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2022, JohnS  wrote:
>
>>
>> On my Quickbeam there is a fixed 18 cog that I use all the time and on 
>> the other side is a fixed 16 that I never use. So as long as I can get it 
>> off the hub, I'll try one of the SS freewheels that I have. Should be able 
>> to work on it over the Christmas break. 
>>
>> I agree Philip, changing tires, swapping bars, adding/removing 
>> fenders/racks all make a bike seem like new.
>>
>> On the upside of fixed gear riding, I can do a very good track stand, 
>> being able to push forward or backward just makes it so much easier. I 
>> don't even try on my multi-geared bikes any more.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:14:52 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m a big fan of riding fixed. It just feels good to me, but I’m not an 
>>> evangelist: “more for me, I guess!” I like having a second gear option (two 
>>> rings, dingle cog), but almost never use the low gear. 
>>>
>>> Will’s Roadini is like a Golden Age tribute bike. I love it. Now I kinda 
>>> want one, but I’ll go swap tires around on the bikes I’ve got, instead. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>>>
 It's a different ride, and a fun ride, to have a single speed. I have a 
 Dos Eno on my QuickBeam, but still stay primarily on the 15 tooth 
 sprocket. 
 The 17 comes into play for East Bay hills, but I rode (with camping gear) 
 in the 15 from Berkeley to the Entmoot in Marin via San Francisco and 
 Sausalito/Tiburon, and it was delightful. With no levers to move, you 
 focus 
 on building momentum, and save strength for hills.

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:57:35 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>
> And Will's post : 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045&mc_eid=0074b52ae1
>  
> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
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Re: [RBW] Will's Roadini SS

[Eric Marth]

Will: "I used Blue Lug natural cotton tape and shellac'd it clear for that 
stale pee look I was aiming for." 

I love a good shellac recipe and keep them in my mental index. 

On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 5:19:32 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> This is funny. I mostly ride a fixed gear road bike, but this thread has 
> me thinking about a SS FW road bike. I could use a tensioner for that kind 
> of build, which would open up a lot of interesting frames to think about. 
>
> I could finally flip over one of my flip/flop wheels and give it a try, I 
> guess. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2022, JohnS  wrote:
>
>>
>> On my Quickbeam there is a fixed 18 cog that I use all the time and on 
>> the other side is a fixed 16 that I never use. So as long as I can get it 
>> off the hub, I'll try one of the SS freewheels that I have. Should be able 
>> to work on it over the Christmas break. 
>>
>> I agree Philip, changing tires, swapping bars, adding/removing 
>> fenders/racks all make a bike seem like new.
>>
>> On the upside of fixed gear riding, I can do a very good track stand, 
>> being able to push forward or backward just makes it so much easier. I 
>> don't even try on my multi-geared bikes any more.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 2:14:52 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m a big fan of riding fixed. It just feels good to me, but I’m not an 
>>> evangelist: “more for me, I guess!” I like having a second gear option (two 
>>> rings, dingle cog), but almost never use the low gear. 
>>>
>>> Will’s Roadini is like a Golden Age tribute bike. I love it. Now I kinda 
>>> want one, but I’ll go swap tires around on the bikes I’ve got, instead. 
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Sonoma County, Calif
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM Berkeleyan  wrote:
>>>
 It's a different ride, and a fun ride, to have a single speed. I have a 
 Dos Eno on my QuickBeam, but still stay primarily on the 15 tooth 
 sprocket. 
 The 17 comes into play for East Bay hills, but I rode (with camping gear) 
 in the 15 from Berkeley to the Entmoot in Marin via San Francisco and 
 Sausalito/Tiburon, and it was delightful. With no levers to move, you 
 focus 
 on building momentum, and save strength for hills.

 - Andrew, Berkeley

 On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:57:35 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>
> And Will's post : 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045&mc_eid=0074b52ae1
>  
> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has 
> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS 
> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

[Eric Marth]

Lovely! Thanks Masa 

On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 6:49:44 AM UTC-5 Masa wrote:

> Hi, it's almost winter here in Japan but earlier this week I could enjoy 
> some autumn leaves at my local park in west Tokyo.
> I'd like to share some photos from the ride as well as since I don't know 
> how to put many photos on a post I'd share my Instagram post too.
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CmJpF_GSI_2/
>
> I ride my Platypus to commute mostly but cycling in nature is also really 
> fun.
> Masa
> [image: 846B7921-96F7-4C7B-8DC6-6E7FABAA0576_1_105_c.jpeg]
>
> 2022年11月27日日曜日 11:16:10 UTC+9 RichS:
>
>> Eric, thanks very much. Inspiring words and pics coming from you! Thanks 
>> for that:-)
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 6:58 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Nice ones Rich and Luke! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 25, 2022 at 3:47:14 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>>
>>>> [image: 7D7DD80C-F09D-457D-8D6B-35A8AA2B43F7.jpeg]
>>>>
>>>> Flew to Orange County last month with the Riv and Rockwall, TX this 
>>>> month! Been fun being able to take it around and ride in different places.
>>>>
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: TA chainring, rapid rise mech, wool cap

[Eric Marth]

Rapid rise mech has sold, thanks. 

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 10:27:26 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> *Peace Wheel tee — $15 *
> Peace Wheel tee, some fading from wash and wear. Labeled a size medium. 
> Pit to pit: 19", top of shoulder to bottom hem is 27". 
>
> [image: IMG_4211 2.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_4212 2.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 9:52:17 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Good evening — I have a few things to sell :)  
>>
>> Prices do not include shipping to you. 
>>
>> *TA Cyclotouriste outer ring — $45 *
>> It's an 42-tooth outer ring, brand new, never mounted. TA Cyclotourists / 
>> Pro 5 Vis. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4193.JPG]
>>
>> [image: IMG_4192.JPG]
>>
>> *Shimano Deore XT rapid rise derailer — $50*
>> Shimano RD M760 rapid rise mech. Some scratches but overall in good 
>> shape. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4205 2.JPG]
>>
>> *RBW x Randi Jo wool cap — $40 *
>> A Rivendell wool cap, made by Randi Jo Fab. Size is a large in RJF sizing 
>> and a medium in Riv sizing. Some general wear, light discoloration to 
>> interior band. Made in Oregon. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4164.JPG]
>>
>> *Shimano UN300 68x122.5 bottom bracket — $10*
>> Installed for about three minutes and removed. Never ridden. Spindle is 
>> 122.5mm. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4209 2.JPG]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Great write-up, pics and story Willet! 

This thread is really paying off :) 

On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 4:37:12 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Yes, the saga continues! I think it’s plausible that the prototype was 
> indeed a prototype for both bikes — let’s call it a super heavy duty frame 
> prototype — even if that was not the intention from the get go. And then 
> there would have been a split, so to speak, with one going in this 
> direction and one going in that, each with its own characteristics and 
> nuances that we could list. In a rough and very imperfect analogy, it could 
> be akin to a split for identical twins that start out from one, but whose 
> real-world “gene expression” results in each twin developing their own 
> personality, having a different appearance in some respects, and different 
> strengths, weaknesses, and interests. 
>
> I know this is a stretch! But without a definitive story straight from the 
> horse’s mouth, all this sleuthing and piecing together stories and evidence 
> is the best we’ve got. It’s a fantastic thread. 
> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 3:53:56 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, that's an interesting little twist!  It was my assumption after 
>> posting the "origin story" of my Protovelo that I probably had many of the 
>> details wrong and that there would be a long list of 
>> clarifications/modifications to the information that I had pieced together 
>> about it.  In particular, I assumed that there had been additional owners 
>> of the frame that were unknown to me, and that perhaps Daniel M. had never 
>> really "owned" the frame but had just borrowed it from Grant for the one 
>> journey, etc.  But I had never seen anything regarding the 
>> "proto-Hunqapillar" making the Great Divide trip.  I'm sure there are 
>> others on the forum with more information about this than me, but my 
>> initial thought is that perhaps my frame was very "interim" and included 
>> both Bombadil and Hunqapillar elements/geometry???  On the other hand, the 
>> fact that Daniel referred to it pretty precisely as a "new unpainted 
>> Bombadil" in the Reddit thread seems to slot it in timeline-wise as an 
>> early Bombadil rather than a later Hunqapillar.  As always, I will defer to 
>> the experts and look forward to possibly fleshing out more details as we go 
>> along.
>>
>> Thanks, though, for pointing out the discrepancy.
>>
>> Willet M.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 12:42:39 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Willet, this is a fascinating backstory indeed. Thanks for sharing. 
>>>
>>> One piece of it is curious, and it both clarifies and clouds things: the 
>>> Hunqapillar copy also states that the the “proto-Hunqapillar” was ridden by 
>>> Daniel on the Great Divide.
>>>
>>> From Riv:
>>>
>>> And it's a trail bike.
>>> The tubes are stout, but reasonable in weight, and the strong lugged 
>>> joints should last or decades. There’s clearance for 58mm tires. If you 
>>> need fatter than that, get a Pugsley. 
>>> *Trivia: Former employee Daniel rode a proto-Hunqapillar the entire 
>>> 2700-miles of the Great Divide trail. No problem. The current ones are vast 
>>> improvements over that*.
>>>
>>> So this strongly suggests that the proto Bombadil and the proto 
>>> Hunqapillar were the same proto frames. Right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 18, 2022 at 1:51:19 PM UTC-5 WilletM wrote:
>>>

 Just by lucky coincidence, I had recently been considering starting a 
 definitive "Bombadil origins" thread, which would hopefully document all 
 the current (and maybe former) Bombadil's owned by forum members, with 
 pics 
 and stories about ownership history and builds and any other details that 
 would help to flesh out our collective interest/obsession with this 
 particular Rivendell model.  But Eric saved me the trouble by starting a 
 thoughtful and interesting thread that covers most/all of the same 
 information that I had hoped to aggregate in my proposed thread.

 My own personal Bombadil obsession started, as so many others 
 apparently have, with provocative pics that I saw online depicting 
 Protovelo/Bombadil's naked as a jaybird, with brass flowing in copious 
 amounts out of the fancy lugs.  Back in the mid-90's, I had ordered a 
 custom Bilenky coupled touring bike with Nervex lugs and had it finished 
 naked, which, in combination with the lugs and couplers and other 
 braze-on's, made for an abundantly visually interesting frameset to 
 admire.  And then along comes the naked Protovelo, which seems to have 
 scratched the very same itch for me that the Bilenky did.

 Not surprisingly, owning a naked (Bombadil)Protovelo zoomed to the top 
 of my bucket list and remained there for 3-4 years while I searched for 
 one 
 on ebay and craigslist and elsewhere.  In reality, I had very little hope 
 of ever finding one, let alone being able to afford one if I fo