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[RBW] Re: FS: Fabio's Fanny bar bag, olive

2023-10-23 Thread Brian Turner

I've had this same bag for a few years now, and I've come to really love 
it. It's now my go-to handlebar bag for everyday riding. I use it across a 
couple of different bikes. Now, I'm not sure how practical it is as a fanny 
pack, but I'll occasionally take it off the bike and sling it over my 
shoulder if I go in somewhere. Just an endorsement from a happy Fab's Fanny 
user!

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 2:49:41 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Or make offer and whatnot and such as. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> joeremi62 gmail com
>
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 11:03:37 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/V6idpTbHRFyL8ydX8
>>
>> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 8:55:36 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Purchased on one of these lists a while back, used twice. I'm again 
>>> reminded that I like most of my stuff in a large saddlebag which I already 
>>> own, I don't need this. You can try it! 
>>>
>>> $140 shipped
>>> Will post more pics (off the bike) soon 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20231022_204846.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] ISO: Berthoud Aspin / Aravis in brown or honey (natural)

2023-10-25 Thread Brian Turner

I realize this is probably a long-shot, but if anyone here has one of these 
that wasn't quite for them, and maybe looking to unload it, I am 
interested. After using these saddles for several years now, I've found 
that it's hard not having them on all my bikes.

thanks!

Brian
Lex KY

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[RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

2023-10-26 Thread Brian Turner

Ted, have you looked at the fenders made by Berthoud? I recently called up 
Peter White and ordered a set for my new Atlantis project. They're 
stainless, and smooth, but more affordable than some of the other offerings 
you mentioned above. The best thing however, I only had to drill one hole 
to match up to my rear brake bridge mounting point. Everything else was 
pre-drilled (the stays, the hole near the bottom bracket / chainstay 
bridge, and the front fender crown). You still have to have some good 
attention to detail to get good, clean fender lines... but having almost 
all of your holes pre-drilled certainly takes almost all of the real stress 
out of the equation.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

2023-10-26 Thread Brian Turner

Ted, I got mine by perusing Peter White Cycle's website. Actually, I called 
them up and talked with Linda at length about which size I should get. 
She's an absolute joy to speak with, and will do whatever it takes to 
answer your questions adequately.
She made sure they had them in stock, and shipped them to me within a 
couple of days.

I have dealt directly with Berthoud several times, and they are also 
amazing to work with. Kinda like Blue Lug, the shipping is more expensive 
of course, but the shipping times are incredibly - almost impossibly - fast.

-Brian


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Re: [RBW] Re: The Places Our Bikes Take Us

2023-10-26 Thread Brian Turner

George, we drive up from Lexington, KY. We typically start around Milford, OH and pedal north towards Loveland and beyond. The trail has been closed at King’s Island for the past couple of years (for bridge construction), but if you hit it on the weekends, you can get through the barriers. For overnights, we typically ride 52 miles or so up to John Bryan State Park in Yellow Springs, OH, then ride back the next day.Richard - how far away is Yellow Springs from you? I’d certainly drive up there and pedal south towards KY, instead of making the usual S-N trip.- Brian On Oct 26, 2023, at 5:51 PM, George Schick wrote:Yeah, I too was wondering where he drives from in order to ride that Little Miami River trail. I used to live down there in some of those parts and am curious.On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:59:12 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:So you drive to Cinci, ride around 40 miles, camp for the night then ride back! Heck, I should join you sometime. More like a three hour drive one way for me. But…Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 26, 2023, at 10:09 AM, Brian Turner <brok...@gmail.com> wrote:Here's a photo from earlier this week. It's not a remote place, or extraordinary by any means, but it's special to me, and for me and my wife. At least once a month, we usually blow off work and drive 1.5 hours to Cincinnati to ride a portion of the Little Miami Scenic Bike Trail. It's part of the larger Ohio to Erie Trail, and is approx. 80 mi long. This is the trail that first introduced me to rail trails, and fostered in me a love of bike camping. We ride this trail to celebrate life events like birthdays and anniversaries, whenever we are feeling sad or restless, or whenever we want to take a nice scenic overnighter. Last month we did our first century together on this trail to celebrate our 23rd anniversary. This past Tuesday was an especially gorgeous Fall day, so we took advantage of the weather and the colors along the trail.

Re: [RBW] Bluelug Visit to Rivendell (Video)

2023-10-30 Thread Brian Turner

I feel like the Gallop has existed in some unofficial form or another for forever now… at least in Riv time it has.On Oct 30, 2023, at 9:56 AM, eddietheflay wrote:It is interesting...cuz when you go this url it looks as though once there was a photo of that Gallop seen in the video...but not anymore in this blog: https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/augustOn Monday, October 30, 2023 at 5:46:53 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:I'm very confused by the Gallop now. They took what was a road frame on the lower price scale for RIvendell (the Roadini) and are going to replace it with a higher priced lugged road bike? Even though they already have the Homer that could fit that category well? It was originally designed to be a road bike for sweptback bars and v brakes (which is unique) and now it seems to be a drop/albastache bike that can be setup with sweptback bars if you like. There is just so much crossover with this frame now. Will even says "like a homer but with more standover space". But that was a Cheviot. I'm just a bit salty because the original dream of Clem priced, bars with sweep, and v brakes all on a road bike was something unique for them. But for me it doesn't matter because I have the proto-clem that checks all of those boxes.On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 2:38:59 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:Roman was fascinating to watch, he communicated with his hands in a way that (I think) signifies he knows ASL. I love that Spencer's only Riv is the original Road he got in '95. If you've ever seen it you know it's the most beausaged Rivendell in existence, it's practically a work of art! I also love that he said in front of Grant that he mostly rides his 2-speed Brompton and it's his favorite bike 😂Dig the Gallop. I want one. Joe Bernard On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 8:53:27 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:I wish Grant had answered their questions about the two new frames on camera. Will and the other fellow didn't seem to remember/know what was going on in any detail.The Charlie looks like such I nice frame, the new lugs are beautiful and I think I can put up with the sidepulls. It will probably be my next frame purchase. I have time to save up the pennies too, I guess.The new Susie has it's swoop tube intersecting much higher on the seat tube. This is good. Definitely the weak point of the frame design.I am glad that I have my OG Susie though. The light tubing makes it such a great bike and I love the fillet brazing. Wouldn't change it for the world.

Re: [RBW] Re: Differences between Sam Hillborne and A Homer Hilsen

2023-11-04 Thread Brian Turner

Correct. I’ve seen the “w” caps on Toyo and Waterford Rivs alike.On Nov 4, 2023, at 5:45 PM, Greg J wrote:That seat stay cap was used across various models - I don't know if it is a Riv-sourced custom piece - but it doesn't have anything to do with Waterford (nor is it intended to be a "W" - just a decoration.On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 3:51:23 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:Here’s mine. A Toyo by its serial number and Frank’s pics. You can see one of the third water bottle mounts at the top in the photo.Year? I don’t know. I bought the frameset third-hand, six years ago, and thought it might be 2009 using some of the info on CycloFiend.DavidOn Friday, September 2, 2022 at 2:47:51 PM UTC-7 frank_a wrote:The serial number will tell you if it’s a Toyo or Waterford built frame.Toyo serial numbers are large and run across the bb shell while the Waterford numbers are smaller and are oriented around the shell, parallel to the outer edge. One photo is a Saluki and the other photo is a Waterford built Rosco.The Toyo Atlantis’ read: AT0001 and so on, Homer: AH0001SA0026 - the 26th Saluki- FrankOn Friday, September 2, 2022 at 11:26:35 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:I looked on Cyclofiend and where they were visible, the Atlantises all appeared to have the W. It may not be related to Waterford after all.LaingOn Friday, September 2, 2022 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-4 Danny wrote:The early Atlantis brochures show the W on the seat stay cap with Toyo being the only listed builder in the brochures. My Riv knowledge is not very deep, so perhaps Waterford was building the Atlantis as well at that time? or Riv was buying the seat stay caps from them?Atlantis 2001 brochureAtlantis 2002 brochure-DannyOn Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 7:41 AM Bill Schairer wrote:In general, is one not able to tell from the serial number?Bill SSan DiegoOn Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 11:50:12 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:That is a first class detail. Don’t believe it was on my formerly owned 2014 Waterford Atlantis so perhaps the W was featured on certain models? I am fond of concave seat stay caps though. Happy that they’re on my Sam.Best,Rich in ATLOn Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 1:06 PM, J J wrote:Laing, thanks for the interesting bit about Waterford-built frames. This is the first I hear. I never noticed the W as a deliberate W (as opposed to being strictly an embellishment) on my Waterford Hunqapillar, so it was cool to see it for what it is. I had to check the other Rivs in the stable, all Toyo built, and of course none has the W.Thanks again!On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 9:47:06 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote:Don't Waterford frames have a distinctive seat stay end cap with a 'W" in the recess - my Bombadil does. This is a better picture from the Waterford site, but the same as my Bombadil:LaingOn Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 3:05:54 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:THAT'S it. I knew there was a difference between the two but couldn't remember the detail change. But I think yours is backwards, my recollection is Toyo had two sets of bottle bosses and the later Waterford got the third set. On Thursday, September 1, 2022 at 12:01:05 AM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:Not sure that it is totally definitive but I expect the Toyo AHH to have three water bottle boss pairs and the Waterford to have two pairs (none under the down tube).David LipskyOn Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 7:11:42 PM UTC-7 James wrote:I have an older AHH. Anyone know how I can tell if it's Toyo or Waterford made?On Wednesday, August 31, 2022 at 5:52:35 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:I had an older MUSA AHH 61 (2006-ish?) and a Taiwan Sam 62 (2015-ish) with 2TT and for a brief spell I also had a 2TT 58. All of them were 700C. I should also say that they are all gone at this point, nothing wrong with them except my own unnecessary searching for the next shiny object.Both are amazing frames and can be set up very similarly - I think your tires, racks and handlebars would probably determine the feel and ride more than the frame geo, tubing or anything else.Some details on the way mine were set up: both had front and rear racks, sidepull brakes and short stems:AHH 700x38 + dropbarsSH 62 700x44 + dropbarsSH 58 700x42 + AlbatrossIt has been said that the Sam is burlier or that the tubing on the Homer is slightly lighter and the lugs are more elegant. To me, they were both equally capable, perhaps the 2TT Sam felt a tad stiffer particularly when loaded, but it certainly didn't feel slower. Also, at no point did I feel like my AHH couldn't carry as much as the Sam. Are you trying to decide which one you'd buy? If so, I would choose based on availability, color, badge, name, which one do you find more beautiful? Oh and sizing: which one fits you better? If you can find a frame where you fall in the middle of the suggested PBH range for either the Sam or the AHH I would choose that.Not sure if this helps, but I think Grant said it best when he said it was hard to tell one from the other when you were riding t

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike Rack

2023-11-04 Thread Brian Turner

I share Ted’s praise of the Küat NV2.0. Mine has been one of the best bike investments I’ve made. It fits my 50” wheelbase medium Gus no problem, although it pushes it to its absolute maxium. When they say 50” is the max. wheelbase, they mean it.1Up makes a very fine rack, but if your bike has fenders, or if you think you’ll want to carry a friend’s bike who has fenders, you may want to consider the Küat over the 1Up. Reason being, the Küat swing arm will still securely hold the front wheel as long as you get it as close to the front edge of the fender as possible. Unlike the 1Up, there’s no rear swing arm on the Küat to clamp down on (and potentially deform) your rear fender. My Küat has carried multiple fendered bikes thousands of miles on long road trips with no issues whatsoever.On Nov 4, 2023, at 7:29 PM, Sally Bidleman <3mun...@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks, Ted! I just checked our local bike shop and, while they don't have 1UP, they can bring a Kuat NV2 down the grade from their warehouse in a couple days for us to try. Very excited to expand our biking radius, albeit (partially) by auto! Now, if I can only locate a Jakob Ingebrigtsen running cap for my son's birthday, I'll be 2 for 2 today, ha.Appreciate this group!!On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 2:53 PM Ted W wrote:Highly recommend the Kuat NV2 or 1UP as previously recommended. I have the NV2 and it’s the best rack I’ve ever owned. Can easily carry any bike I have. The only one that pushes the limits a bit is my Gus, I wouldn’t want to try anything longer. The only reason I didn’t get the 1UP was due to availability at the time.On Sat, Nov 4, 2023 at 5:00 PM <3mun...@gmail.com> wrote:Thanks Johnny! Subaru XTrek 2 inch hitch.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 4, 2023, at 1:44 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:For like a car? If so 1UP will be my whole hearted recommendation. Best product I ever bought and works great for long wheelbases.On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 3:35:15 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:Hi all!Any bike rack you'd recommend for Clem Smith L 45 cm and future Platy 50 cm for husband? Kuat or? Model? Thanks for any help!Sally

Re: [RBW] Bike Rack

2023-11-09 Thread Brian Turner

Jacob, as a Kuat owner, I'm very curious as to what exactly happened with 
your rack? Which model do you have? What part failed when you say it "fell 
apart"?

-Brian

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 11:21:14 AM UTC-5 jacobir...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I have a Kuat and do yourself a favor and stay VERY clear of them. It fell 
apart and my bike almost fell off on the freeway. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hillborne fork on a Heron?

2023-11-09 Thread Brian Turner

I just want to chime in to say, that’s the sexiest Heron I’ve ever seen. So well done! 🤘🏼On Nov 9, 2023, at 7:10 PM, Chris Dedinsky wrote:Appreciate the threadless insight too Wes. I wouldn't have considered that as an option. Bit I'll keep it in mind as I do a bit more research. Thank you!On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:52:34 AM UTC-8 Wesley wrote:Just FYI, you have more choices than you might think with the fork. If you find a fork you like but the steerer is too long, you can still use it!If the upper race can't thread all the way down to the cup, you can swap your headset for a 1" threadless headset, and screw the top nut not the fork threads to provide preload to the headset without having to use the typical internal nut of a treadless headset. This means you can still use a quill stem with a threadless headset! I did this recently with a threaded fork having a vry long steerer in order to get my handlebars higher. Happy to provide ics later if that would be helpful.-WesOn Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 12:22:21 PM UTC-8 h...@chrisdedinsky.com wrote:This week I was commuting home from work on my Heron. I got a flat on my Challenge Strada Bianca 36 tires and on a whim—certainly inspired by the recent 'Rondini' episode of Ron's bikes YouTube episode—decided to stuff in a pair of much too large 700x42 Hurricane Ridge tires to enjoy until the snow falls. Which should be pretty quick here in British Columbia's southern interior.The fork clearance is decidedly too tight and perhaps irresponsible, if not dangerous. I'm gonna keep my fenders on as I'm not sure how long this experiment will last. So far a couple of sporting trips back and forth to work. It has got me thinking though, has anyone out there modified their Heron to have more modern Riv tire clearances? In the vein of a Sam Hillborne. I was daydreaming about putting a more tolerable fork and crimping the chainstays, so I could run up in the +45 range. Although the rear wheel has much more than a few sheets of paper in clearance and the irrevesability of crimping makes me nervous. Would love to hear any thoughts on the pro's/con's. And if there are any extra hillborne forks out there for a ~57 frame, I may be interested. If so, I can give specs. I know I should leave a perfectly wonderful frameset alone, but I can't help but wonder about it. Here are some pics that make the fit seem even more dramatic on that front fork.

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis date indicators

2023-11-10 Thread Brian Turner

Look at the serial number on the BB shell. If the serial number wraps around the edge of the shell, it’s probably Waterford. If the number goes across (from L to R), then it’s probably Toyo. Also, Toyo should start with AT.My 2008 Toyo has the ornate, pointy lugs and lots of white detailing. I also have the “2” insignia inside a cream panel. My downtube “Atlantis” graphic also sports a tiny “2” in superscript next to the S.On Nov 10, 2023, at 5:57 PM, Ryan wrote:2011 could be Waterford On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:45:56 PM UTC-6 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:Hi everyone - currently speaking with a seller of an atlantis 2 - dated 2011. This has the cream accent panel on the seat tube. My old atlantis had a 2 but no cream accent panel. Just to clarify, the 2 on the seat tubes does mean both are the 'Atlantis 2'? Given it's 2011 - would this be Toyo? It has the more ornate lugs...

Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis date indicators

2023-11-10 Thread Brian Turner

Unless I’m mistaken, the “Atlantis 2” is what Grant decided to call it when the Rivendell Atlantis was conceived. This was because the original Atlantis - or “1” for the purposes of this discussion - was a Bridgestone offering.On Nov 10, 2023, at 6:15 PM, dylan green wrote:Thanks everyone. To build on this, was there any difference in the chainstay lengths between what I guess is considered the 1 and the 2 in question?On Nov 10, 2023, at 3:07 PM, R. Alexis wrote:A Waterford built Rivendell Atlantis will have a distinctive rear frame drop out. I think Henry James rear drop outs. The first Rivendell built there didn't. Grant has drop outs made specifically for the bikes. Looks like they went with the Waterford standard ones on the Atlantis. This is at least what I have noticed when looking at Atlantis frames/bikes out of Waterford. Thanks,Reginald AlexisOn Friday, November 10, 2023 at 4:45:56 PM UTC-6 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:Hi everyone - currently speaking with a seller of an atlantis 2 - dated 2011. This has the cream accent panel on the seat tube. My old atlantis had a 2 but no cream accent panel. Just to clarify, the 2 on the seat tubes does mean both are the 'Atlantis 2'? Given it's 2011 - would this be Toyo? It has the more ornate lugs...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

2023-11-11 Thread Brian Turner

Here’s an outside the lines suggestion: find a lovely rim brake model Soma 
Buena Vista mixte and build it up similarly to your Platys. Use that as your 
“travel bike”. I’m thinking a 54cm would suit you based on what you’re 
currently comfortable riding with your Rivs. My wife has one, and it’s one of 
the best riding bikes I’ve ever been on, and probably the prettiest in our 
household. Actually, hers is red and kinda looks a lot like your raspberry 
Platy.

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[RBW] Re: Bike Rack

2023-11-12 Thread Brian Turner

Kiley, I think the best answer for those who have long wheelbase issues, is
to get a rear rack with the dual rack arms that adjust to secure both
wheels of the bike (like the design of 1Up racks, or the Kuat Piston
series). The wheelbase limitations of the Kuat Piston series is 53 inches,
and I think most 1Up racks will handle a max. of 54 inches. Personally, I
have a Kuat NV2, but it only has an adjustable rack arm for the front
wheel, and a strap for the rear wheel. The max wheelbase on that style of
rack is 50 inches. My 54 (Medium) Gus has an exactly 50" wheelbase, so it
JUST fits. Anything longer would not.

I guess ease of personal transport and urban multi-modal transportation was
not a factor in the evolution of these bikes. They ride great, but it's a
very real and often frustrating issue that us owners have to work through.

Brian
Lex KY

On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:39:40 PM UTC-5 Kiley Demond wrote:

Super-size the question: My Clem L is a 59; looking/considering a Clem L 64
for my HE (husband equivalent). How in the world do we transport these
behemoths? The idea is for some off-road, away-from-home adventures, but
the whole rack thing needs to be managed. We could remove wheels for
transport, but then need a rack that will take the 'L' Clems and grab the
frames.

Thank you for your collective wisdom!

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

2023-11-18 Thread Brian Turner

Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail trail across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like it would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get a shuttle.I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever been caught out in!BrianLexington KyOn Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott wrote:Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I was a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like it would be fun to try in the spring. On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock! That guy is a bad ass. Excellent work Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our (the Atlantis and my) first century.We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. First
out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun to
peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost
started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through
clouds:Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural
roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O
Canal towpath. Then on home after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had an ecosystem living on its back:Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:All
in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold
and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain
here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis
was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable
terrain with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.Nick A.Falls Church VA

Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report - First Century on my Atlantis - and at all

2023-11-19 Thread Brian Turner

This all has me dreaming up a Riv owners overnighter or multi-day excursion along the C&O / W&OD. Would enough folks be interested in something like that? It’s a 7 hr drive for me to DC Metro area but I already make the trip once a year, so I have no problem doing it for a bike meetup!On Nov 19, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Eric Marth wrote:Looks fab, Nick. I've ridden just a little bit of the W&OD out of Arlington to Mt. Vernon. I'm down the highway a piece in Fredericksburg. On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:Nice day for a long bike ride Nick ! The fall lighting makes for lovely photos indeed. On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:25:47 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:Nick, Very fun! Nice write-up. Great look'n bike too. On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:Thanks again to you all for your kind responses! Bill -- that snapper's claw wasthe size of a kid's hand. It was probably about 20-22" long, and clearly the resident royalty for that section of the canal.Brians -- link to the route below. We took the W&OD and cut north from Leesburg on back roads to the Point of Rocks Bridge, which is very traffic-laden and sketchy. There's one walkway on the northbound side about 30" wide and elevated 10" from the road. In hindsight, I should have walked it! https://strava.app.link/rGHbmmzVPEb — Point of Rocks Loop CenturyNick in FCOn Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 1:13:44 PM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Yes, Nick… I would also be very interested in seeing your route. I’ve done the C&O several times, but had no idea there was a parallel rail trail across the Potomac starting at Point of Rocks, I assume? That seems like it would make a nice overnighter without having to retrace your route or get a shuttle.I spent a very harrowing night bike camping at one of those sites near Point of Rocks (Calico Rock, maybe?)… probably the worst storm I’ve ever been caught out in!BrianLexington KyOn Nov 18, 2023, at 11:16 AM, Brian McDermott wrote:Nick- What a classic NOVA ride! I grew up in Leesburg and have ridden countless miles on the W&OD ranging from skating to school on it when I was a freshman at Loudoun County High School, up until a few years ago when my folks still lived in the area. I'd be interested in seeing your route and trying it sometime; I rode the GAP/C&O last year from Pitt to DC on my Hillborne, tried it again this fall on my Appaloosa, but my knee gave out on me by the time we reached Cumberland and I had to bail. This looks like it would be fun to try in the spring. On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 6:46:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:I want to know more about that turtle-shaped moss-covered rock! That guy is a bad ass. Excellent work Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Thursday, November 16, 2023 at 12:32:14 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com wrote:A good friend and I managed around 105 miles last weekend. It was our (the Atlantis and my) first century.We made a long loop here in the D.C. area. First
out to Leesburg on the W&OD trail. It took a while for the sun to
peek out from behind the autumn clouds, but when it did, all the frost
started sublimating, making it look as though we were riding through
clouds:Then wound our way northward to the Point Of Rocks bridge via rural
roads in Loudoun County, both paved and gravel of various types:And headed back to Georgetown on the C&O
Canal towpath. Then on home after dark via the Mount Vernon trail and southern end of the W&OD.We happened upon a giant old snapper sunning next to the towpath that had an ecosystem living on its back:Around mile 65, we stopped for a break at one of the boat ramps near a lock house, with a lovely view of the Potomac:All
in all, it was a specacular though difficult (and, at times, cold
and/or dark) ride. No real mechanical issues aside from a dropped chain
here and there, for which we were both grateful. I feel that my Atlantis
was truly in its element, traversing nearly every type of passable
terrain with aplomb. I can't imagine having ridden anything else.Nick A.Falls Church VA

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO: 55cm Platypus frame or bike

2023-11-25 Thread Brian Turner

Congrats, Ben! I can’t wait to take a test ride!You’ve officially helped make Lexington a sleeper Riv owner hotspot.BrianLexington KYOn Nov 25, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:Congrats!!On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:36:32 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:I guess they added some back! all the 55s were definitely sold out last weekish. In between sending this email and having it approved to be posted i found a 55 lime olive for sale used and bought it, so im no longer searching, but good lookin out, thanks!benlexington ky On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 1:47 PM Johnny Alien wrote:Riv still has some 55 frames left in purple.On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 1:15:16 PM UTC-5 bcom...@gmail.com wrote:hey yall!Sadly I missed out on the Platy presale last month, and I’m searching for a 55cm Platypus frame. Complete bikes are also interesting. So for example if anyone got in on the presale, and has since changed their minds, let me know! thanksBenin ky

Re: [RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

2023-11-25 Thread Brian Turner

I just received the Kinco waterproof Work + Ski mitt for my birthday and am anxious to get to try them out on some cold rides this Winter. They’re leather mittens, but have a 5-finger liner built into them to keep your fingers toasty.BrianLex KyOn Nov 25, 2023, at 3:00 PM, Garth wrote:I was wondering how I was going to fare wearing the Kinco Axeman mittens this morning @26 degrees, sunny and a light crisp dry fresh breeze. I wore the longer cuff Harbor Freight 7 mil nitrile gloves underneath, reversed so the slick inside glides with the fleece interior of the mitt. W U N D A B A H ! (pronounced like voon-da-bah) aka Wonderful ! I wasn't so sure about the feet either as usually below 32 has been cold toes with my Altra Trail runners, even with Showers Pass Mountain socks that are windproof and have some wool inside, supposedly. They weren't very warm by themselves, surprisingly, until this year I started wearing plastic grocery bags around my feet before I put the socks on. Now they're warm ! Vapor barriers for the win ! For more warmth I can place some plastic packaging pouches converted to toe booties inside my shoes. Plus I bought me some fancy Sportful Fiandre road specific jackets this fall, one of which aptly named "Warm" with a Gore Infinium wind stopping softshell and a laminated fleece lining. (Fiandre is Italian for Flanders, a region of Belgium famous for fabulous pro road races) The "Warm" jacket has all sorts of ventilation built into it, from a narrow strip of fleece running the length of the under arms, to the mesh caped upper back vent, to two small zippered side torso vents. It's a brilliant design. It's not meant for below freezing so I wore two light baselayer shirts, which I found is warmer than one thicker one, plus another Fiandre jacket on top of the baselayers and underneath the Warm. The Fiandre NoRain Light short sleeve jacket. Gawd is it awesome, the back is breathable rain resistant fabric and the rest is a thin wind stopping laminate that's noiseless and supple. Having that extra windproof fabric over the shoulders to the elbows makes a huge difference compared to vests. Very light and packable. All these Fiandre jackets are like hybrid jersey/jackets, they're meant to be very form fitting and over baselayers, like a jersey. All that with some nice warm Santini Aldo bib tights which I'm pretty sure is the heaviest/most dense fleece made road cycling wear. No wind blocking panels, minimal seams, just the dense and very supple "Roubaix" style fleece, smooth outside and fleecy inside. Riding in long low road position(notably less air resistance !) and having form fitting no flap clothing this year I've kept riding this fall whereas usually I would have given in to the cold for walking/hiking instead. Having a warm head of course is essential and I use combos of balaclavas, neck gaiters and Lowe Alpine Mountain Caps, which are the bees knees for anything in the cold. Goretex shell and fleece lining, with loops @ the chin for DIY securing under the chin. Mine are some 12 years old, but I see they still make them, albeit with their own proprietary waterproofing rather than a Gore product. https://mountainequipment.com/products/classic-mountain-cap-alpine-hat The brim is wired so bendable any which way, plus it snaps up under the little horizontal piece of fabric on the front. The main thing I get out the hat is that it is windproof, just like the socks. If my head is cold I have no chance to stay warm ! On Saturday, November 25, 2023 at 12:42:53 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:Thanks. Those are warmer than PI Lobsters? I've been trying to sell my lobsters but no response, and I may just keep them; they'll fit inside the new leather/fleece-lined mittens for very cold mornings without (apparently; haven't yet ridden with this combo) binding or squashing.On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 10:35 AM Tim Donner wrote:I ride in Western Mass, this mornings ride was in the low 20s and these have been really toasty for me in temps down into the teens! GORE-TEX INFINIUM THERMO SPLIT GLOVES. I wear them on my drop bar and swept back bar bikes, with bar end and thumbie shifters respectively. I appreciate that they have XXXL, my palms are pretty big and this gives a snug yet roomy fit and gives me enough dexterity and they aren't super long on my fingers. Full price they are spendy but I have seen them on sale for closer to $50 in the past. On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 12:44:57 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:I bought a pair of size Large Guide Gear leather mittens with light fleece lining and inner wool mitten, sub $40. The wool mitten is thin, not at all like the heavy, almost felted wool mittens with my first pair of OR nylon/wool combo, but the OR combination was really too warm for my needs. The leather is good quality and supple, the stitching looks good, and they are labeled "waterproof." I daresay that the lining will wear but I wanted these for the leather outer mitts which a

Re: [RBW] Re: PSA 1997 Rivendell Road Custom 58cm

2023-12-08 Thread Brian Turner

It’s on Jeff’s Instagram:jeffrey g. frane on Instagram: "Next project, early Rivendell Road built by Waterford. This popped up for a good price so I jumped on it. It’s a really lovely and charming frameset. And that older dynamo hub is really cool. I’ve also really been wanting to own more of Waterfords output. 97th frame built in July 1997.

*the dream Rivendell is one made by Match or Curt Goodrich. An All-Arounder ideally. Hit me up if you ever find one for sale*

It’s on the big side for me, but I’m going to see if it can work. I was trying to find geo on these first gen Rivendell Roads (looks like it’ll clear a 42), but have come up empty. Holler if you’ve got the links.

I’m hoping it’s a bit more “regular.” The stays are a reasonable 440, but I’m curious how low the bb is. I’ve discovered I personally do not care for bb’s lower than 75mm drop.

*my measurements put the bb drop at around 70!*

Build will depend on if it’s a keeper or not. Built for 700’s but currently sitting on 650’s.
#bikejerkshqinstagram.comOn Dec 8, 2023, at 7:07 AM, Ryan wrote:Pictures?On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 4:31:15 PM UTC-6 wats...@umn.edu wrote:Just a heads up, bikejerks on IG in Minneapolis has a cool Rivendell Road Custom for sale for $2600. Jeff Frane is the seller, has worked in the industry and seems to do a nice job with his builds and shipping. From his add...For Sale: $2600 obo1997 Rivendell Custom RoadST 58cm ctcTT 58.5cm ctcStandover 820mmReady to rip, this thing is a stone classic.Waterford made of Reynolds 753 with 531 Fork BladesRichard Sachs designed lugs. It currently sits on 650b wheels. Schmidt Dynamo front hub, rear XT hub, Velo Orange rims. Rene Herse 650x42 (looks like 38mm Loup Loups) tires. Velo Orange Grand Cru Cranks 170mm. XTR 9 speed rear derailleur, XT front, wide range Sram cassette. Dia Compe brakes, Tektro Levers, Tange headset, Nitto bars and stem, Campy aero post, Brooks B17 saddle.Pedals not included. Located in Minneapolis and shipping worldwideMy size, but redundant for me. Will in Minneapolis

[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

2023-12-28 Thread Brian Turner

I only ride big, wide platforms with pins. I like the comfort and freedom 
of riding in whatever shoes I want. Makes it easier to just jump on the 
bike and go without having to think too much about wearing a special shoe 
or article of clothing. None of the riding I do would benefit from foot 
retention. That said, there are certain shoes I will wear for certain types 
of riding: around town or casual riding = vans or Blundstone boots. Rougher 
terrain or trail riding: Five Ten Freeriders. All-day rides: something with 
a stiffer shank, like a lightweight hiking shoe.


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[RBW] Re: Will Cliffhangers leave me hanging?

2023-12-28 Thread Brian Turner

Marathons are like the anti-supple tire. Sure, they resist flats and are 
long-wearing... but they've always made every bike I've ever put them on 
feel like an unforgiving chunk of metal.

Brian


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[RBW] lowrider rack advice / recommendations

2024-01-07 Thread Brian Turner

Hi all! I'm looking for suggestions on how I can run some low front 
panniers on my 26" Toyo Atlantis that DOESN'T involve putting clamps around 
my fork blades, and allows me to keep the canti rack as-is. My issue is 
that my Atlantis only has one set of braze-ons at the *rear* of my fork 
dropouts. My options would be wide-open if only my "touring" frame had all 
the appropriate mounting points to live up to its potential... but I 
digress. I really hate the look and the thought of pipe clamps - always 
have. Also, this bike will have fenders most of the time, so that 
complicates things a bit as well.

I own a Tubus Nova that I love, and hoped would work with this bike, but 
sadly it just won't given this configuration. I thought I would throw my 
conundrum out to the group to see if there's some solution that I'm just 
not thinking of.

Here's a photo of my current configuration 


Cheers!
Brian
Lexington, KY

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Re: [RBW] Re: lowrider rack advice / recommendations

2024-01-07 Thread Brian Turner

Thank you John! See, I knew at least one of you would remind me that such a solution existed. Forgot about the Gamoh. I’ve actually used them before to make lighting brackets. They’re original intent would suit my needs perfectly it seems!On Jan 7, 2024, at 4:06 PM, John Rinker wrote:Hey Brian,Is it possible that a Mark's Hub Area rack would work? The only thing you'd need to add is something like the Gamoh rack adapter (bluelug.com) so that you'd have attachment points at the fork dropouts. Just a thought.Cheers, JohnOn Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 12:50:32 PM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:Hi all! I'm looking for suggestions on how I can run some low front panniers on my 26" Toyo Atlantis that DOESN'T involve putting clamps around my fork blades, and allows me to keep the canti rack as-is. My issue is that my Atlantis only has one set of braze-ons at the rear of my fork dropouts. My options would be wide-open if only my "touring" frame had all the appropriate mounting points to live up to its potential... but I digress. I really hate the look and the thought of pipe clamps - always have. Also, this bike will have fenders most of the time, so that complicates things a bit as well.I own a Tubus Nova that I love, and hoped would work with this bike, but sadly it just won't given this configuration. I thought I would throw my conundrum out to the group to see if there's some solution that I'm just not thinking of.Here's a photo of my current configurationCheers!BrianLexington, KY

Re: [RBW] Re: lowrider rack advice / recommendations

2024-01-07 Thread Brian Turner

Thanks for the input, Armand! I see your point, and it's a good one. I'd 
need to take a measure of the Gamoh adapters, but if the spacing was right, 
I should be able to distribute the forces across two other points of 
attachment besides the QR: In theory, I could run the fender stay bolts 
through the hole on the Gamoh that lines up with the rear-facing braze-on 
on my fork dropout (assuming it also lines up with the QR axle - but that 
would remain to be seen). So that would be one direct mount to the fork. 
The other direct mount would be the crossbar on my Tubus rack that mounts 
to the mid-fork stay. I would like to think that triangulation of forces 
would take a lot of the burden off the QR. But again, I'm just speculating 
here.

-Brian
Lex KY

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 6:46:32 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:

> I wouldn't trust two panniers riding on a QR axle. I know you said you 
> want to maintain your front rack setup, but would be best do ditch it and 
> go with something like a 
> https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-big-front-rack-34f-silver.html 
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 1:14:47 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you John! See, I knew at least one of you would remind me that such 
>> a solution existed. Forgot about the Gamoh. I’ve actually used them before 
>> to make lighting brackets. They’re original intent would suit my needs 
>> perfectly it seems!
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 4:06 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>> Hey Brian,
>>
>>
>> Is it possible that a Mark's Hub Area rack would work? The only thing 
>> you'd need to add is something like the Gamoh rack adapter 
>> <https://global.bluelug.com/catalog/product/view/id/17914/s/gamoh-rack-adapter/category/40/>
>>  
>> (bluelug.com) so that you'd have attachment points at the fork dropouts. 
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 12:50:32 PM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all! I'm looking for suggestions on how I can run some low front 
>>> panniers on my 26" Toyo Atlantis that DOESN'T involve putting clamps around 
>>> my fork blades, and allows me to keep the canti rack as-is. My issue is 
>>> that my Atlantis only has one set of braze-ons at the *rear* of my fork 
>>> dropouts. My options would be wide-open if only my "touring" frame had all 
>>> the appropriate mounting points to live up to its potential... but I 
>>> digress. I really hate the look and the thought of pipe clamps - always 
>>> have. Also, this bike will have fenders most of the time, so that 
>>> complicates things a bit as well.
>>>
>>> I own a Tubus Nova that I love, and hoped would work with this bike, but 
>>> sadly it just won't given this configuration. I thought I would throw my 
>>> conundrum out to the group to see if there's some solution that I'm just 
>>> not thinking of.
>>>
>>> Here's a photo of my current configuration 
>>> <https://photos.app.goo.gl/f6Xwr1UoyNN3jyjr7>
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Brian
>>> Lexington, KY
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2024 Frame Schedule

2024-01-11 Thread Brian Turner

Jason, I 100% agree with you on the Joe vs. Atlantis, and the void in Riv’s lineup for a classic-styled roadish tourer (which is why I think so many folks are searching for early era Atlantis frames these days - I’m glad to have found one this past year). I’m not a fan of what the Atlantis has evolved into, but wouldn’t rule out an Appaloosa in my near future.- BrianLex KyOn Jan 11, 2024, at 10:42 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which is wonderful news as Sam is perfect.  No plans to pick up anything this year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has failed three times thus far. I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than the old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that.I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a guy can dream.    On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 13:03:05 UTC-8 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote:Saw this in the last email:February - ClemsMarch - Lugged Susies - kind of a new modelApril - Roaduno bikes and frames - new modelMay - Sam HillbornesJune - AppaloosasJuly - Platypus bikes and framesAugust - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info laterSeptember - RoadiniBeen waiting to pick up a Sam for a lng time. Anyone else have plans to pick up a new frame in 2024? Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there still pining for that turquoise dream? - Drew  



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Jewelry for my Platypus

2024-01-12 Thread Brian Turner

I’m anxious to see your impressions of the Paul Motolite brake setup. In my experience, the combo of Love lever and Motolite v-brake has the best feel, best stopping power, and easiest setup and adjustment of any brake setup I’ve ever used. -BrianLex Ky On Jan 12, 2024, at 7:23 AM, Tim Bantham wrote:That is a really cool story and so glad to hear. I am an absolute sucker for anything Paul. The moto-lite brakes and Love Levers are my all time favorites. Although I didn't need much persuading you have inspired me to pony up the dough to swap out the parts for Paul Components on my own Platypus. On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 12:44:11 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:That rose is so pretty. I grant your swanky new Paul brakes my highest praise, they're RIDICULOUS On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 5:28:30 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I have never had Paul anything. I’ve had whatever brakes and levers came with my bikes and didn’t think any more about it. I did get my VO brake levers anodized, but that batch of rose pink ano faded freakishly fast and everything was silver 4 months later. But I’m giving it another chance. Everyone talks about Paul, and Paul sometimes offers their parts in pretty, anodized colors, but currently, they do not. I emailed the company, asking if they happened to have any of their pink levers laying around that they would be willing to sell me. I got an email back from Paul, like THE Paul, who directed me to an employee I won’t name here. He and I got in contact and he was so fun, right from the start. We chatted and he looked at my bikes (I sent him my pics via email) and we made a plan. We colored it all. The bolts, the brake body, the levers, the barrel adjustors ALL of it. The parts came in 3 boxes, plus one extra little envelope. The envelope had a small personalized gift from my new friend at Paul, just because, with a handwritten note in the prettiest handwriting I’ve ever seen. Swoon! I opened the first box and it was wrapped like origami inside. I uncovered the first gorgeous pieces and the breath left my body. So beautiful. Quality even a novice can’t miss. Just what I wanted. Rich, rose color. I would need to be with bike people to get the full joy out of this experience. My bike shop knows about Paul Components. A blizzard is on its way to Michigan and I knew my shop would not be busy. I put the pieces back in the box, loaded the boxes and my bike in the van and drove to the shop. I came in and there were 4 mechanics and zero customers. “Guys!” I said, “I have a fun project for us to do, and I can’t do it without you! Who wants to see what is in these boxes?” So there we were on company time, hovering over these immaculate little parcels, oohing and aahhing. There was extra swag in there, stuff I had never seen. “What’s this?” I asked, holding up a flat, wooden thing with Paul emblems. “It’s a carpenter’s pencil,” said the mechanic. I gave it to him.I left the bike with them and I should have it in the next couple/few days, depending on how long the blizzard rages for. Not that I’ll get to ride and try those beautiful Paul parts out; we are getting up to a foot of snow! For now they are only a visual treat. I can’t even imagine how enamored I will be when I get to actually USE the brakes. And what nice people. I was not expecting them to be so personable! I have heard they are a small operation, but they are famous in their own right - celebrity machinists, really - yet so kind to a layperson like me.Here’s the photo I got before the parts shipped. “Whatcha think?” he asked. Oh, he knew. He knew he knocked it straight outta the park.Leah

[RBW] Orange Blossom Special in FL tomorrow?

2024-01-12 Thread Brian Turner

I realize this may be a long shot, but is anyone here planning to ride the 
"Orange Blossom Special" event in Avon Park, FL tomorrow (Sat. Jan 13th)? 
I'll be there with my Atlantis; looking forward to checking out the variety 
of surfaces this ride has promised. It would be cool to meet up with any 
other folks from this community while I'm there!

Brian
Lex KY

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Orange Blossom Special 2024

2024-01-16 Thread Brian Turner

Thanks for the kind words!

Richard - that sounds like a good plan! We should all keep an eye out when 
they open up the registration later this year. I have a feeling it will 
fill up much quicker now that it's a thing.

Steve - Thanks! I think you'd love this. When dry, these clay roads are 
probably very similar to those dirt forest access roads in Asheville - just 
without the forest! I know what you mean about the tenacity of the mud. My 
drivetrain and cassette got gunked up with it during the worst part, and it 
sounded like I was pedaling a toolbox full of nuts and bolts!

Brian
Lex KY

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>
> Great report, great looking bike. Thanks for sharing!
>
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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Orange Blossom Special 2024

2024-01-16 Thread Brian Turner

Thanks, Bill! Mine is a 54.5cm, 26-in. model from 2008. Normally, I'd be 
rolling on Naches Pass (26 x 1.8") with 50mm Berthoud fenders. Those 
measure 41mm on my Atlas rims. For this ride, I ditched the fenders and 
mounted the RH Humptulips Ridge 26 x 2.3" knobbies. They measure 52mm on my 
rims. Hope this helps! -Brian

On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 11:02:20 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:

> Excellent ride report. It sounds like a great ride. I, too, have a Toyo 
> Atlantis and am curious to know which Rene Herse knobby tire fit on your 
> rig? Thanks.
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 9:28:18 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the kind words!
>>
>> Richard - that sounds like a good plan! We should all keep an eye out 
>> when they open up the registration later this year. I have a feeling it 
>> will fill up much quicker now that it's a thing.
>>
>> Steve - Thanks! I think you'd love this. When dry, these clay roads are 
>> probably very similar to those dirt forest access roads in Asheville - just 
>> without the forest! I know what you mean about the tenacity of the mud. My 
>> drivetrain and cassette got gunked up with it during the worst part, and it 
>> sounded like I was pedaling a toolbox full of nuts and bolts!
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY
>>
>> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 11:28:42 PM UTC-5 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Great report, great looking bike. Thanks for sharing!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell and Brooks B68 short film

2024-01-20 Thread Brian Turner

The weather is shit where I am (oddly enough, the Gulf Coast), so this 
video is what's giving me strength right now. I wish I could be teleported 
into these vintage, golden hues of Walnut Creek careening down a dirt path 
with my Gus.

Brian
Lex KY

On Saturday, January 20, 2024 at 9:08:35 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> I thought this video came out so good, wish they made a longer cut of it.. 
> feel like i could watch that 16mm film all day
>
> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 9:21:37 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Fun video. The way they are "shredding" the trails is my kind of riding. 
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:40:09 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> That was great! Thanks for posting Eric!
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:15:06 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 I think it might just be…but at the least pleasantly harmless and 
 sweet. And  they all having such a good time. 

 Tho try as I might the long-wheelbase bikes just don’t flip my switch. 
 This got me going quite a while ago and I’m still chasing it. Rather odd I 
 suppose. 


 Jock

 On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 11:39 AM eddietheflay  
 wrote:

> All those guys wearing those hats look like a cult :).
>
> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:32:07 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 
>> VS--YouTube-BrooksEnglandTheB68isbackftRivendellBicycleWorks-0’45”.jpg]
>>
>> Brooks just released the 16mm film they made with the Rivendell staff 
>> :0) Quite fun! 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBIryCWhgBc
>>
>> The saddles are now available from Brooks! 
>> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/b68.html
>>
>> I wonder if this means we can buy a B68 directly from Rivendell now? 
>> Seems like Riv was holding back for Brooks to launch the revived saddle. 
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[RBW] Re: Brooks B68 Video

2024-01-20 Thread Brian Turner

Looks great just from the glimpse of it. What kind of custom are you having 
built up? Is it road-ish? All-rounder? Traditional geometry? The I'm 
curious to see the red bits with the purple... that'll be unique.

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 7:36:01 PM UTC-5 cz...@sonic.net wrote:

> I no longer ride Brooks saddles, but I am a big fan of this video 
> .
>  
> My new custom is enshrined in it. Apparently Mark had it in the stand when 
> Brian came around filming. You can tell that it's not a purple Platypus as 
> it has an RBW custom head badge and is fitted with Tektro red anodized 
> V-brakes.
>
> Look for it at 0:51 seconds.
>
> Regards,
>
> Corwin
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Re: [RBW] Intro Post // My 51cm Toyo Atlantis

2024-01-21 Thread Brian Turner

Welcome, Josie! Glad you’re here. As I’m sure you’re aware from Instagram, I took many cues and inspiration from your lovely Atlantis as I was building up my Toyo. As far as I can tell, you and I are the only ones rocking the Nitto NR20 :)BrianLex KyOn Jan 21, 2024, at 3:40 PM, Brenton Eastman wrote:Looking very sweet. I love the twin bags front and rear. What size Carradice are those?Hope you let that cola settle down before opening!On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 12:14:10 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Josie! Good to see you here. As always, lovely build.On Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 11:46:56 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:Very nice build -- top 5 Atlantis build, in my book -- and that tiny rack is apparently capable of carrying immense loads.I can't see clearly from the photos, but it looks as if you have knobbies under fenders. First, what are the tires? Secondly, what if any is your front fender QR system, in case you pick up a stick? I am thinking of getting a second, fat and knobby wheelset for one of my bikes and have thought this would mean removing the fenders, but perhaps there are alternatives.On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 11:35 AM Josie wrote:Hello amigos, This is my first time posting up here - thanks for having me! This is my 51cm Toyo Built Atlantis that I picked up about 2 years ago. I take a lot of pictures while I ride, sometimes digital, often on film. I'm looking forward to seeing all of your builds and being apart of the Riv hype!Happy pedalling! 🌍✌️

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Re: [RBW] Bridgestone MB5 + Goodies

2024-01-22 Thread Brian Turner

Size?On Jan 22, 2024, at 5:32 PM, Maxwell Seebeck wrote:Hello! I have a wonderful MB5 up for grabs, unfortunately the garage is getting full and the parts bin needs to be thinned out, plus I haven't ridden this bike all year so it is time to let it go!. I got this from a trade in at a bikeshop, and have configured it in a handful of ways since 2021 and would be an awesome project build for some one looking to build it up how they want to use it! Frame is in very good condition and has no major surface rust. I put T9 in the frame once a year since I got the bike. Hanger is straight and has never been crashed under my watch. Brakes and drivetrain are NOT operating and you will need to do this yourself or have a shop/buddy do it for you! I have it this way so you can set it up how you want to, as I am also including multiple handlebars and stems with the price.I am asking for $750 and that includes everything that is pictured**NOT PICTURED: DEORE 9SP MECH** https://photos.app.goo.gl/CuTW9pD31GWCoKxv9
ok, everything that is included for $750 (Also open to reasonable offers, no trades, would prefer local pick up (Issaquah,WA))

Frame: Bridgestone MB5 (Tange Cro-mo)
Rear Wheel: Wheelsmith Double wall, HG 10sp
Front Wheel: Handbuilt Kasai Dynacoil RB Dynamo Hub w/ Alex Adventure Rim
DT: Shimano Sora 2x cranks, 9sp Shimano Cassette, 9sp Deore rear mech, Suntour ARX front mech, deore friction shifter front, Microshift front friction but used on rear.
Brakes: Tektro V brakes w/ basic V brake levers
Headset: FSA Orbital something 1"
Stem: Jim Stem: 4bolt 31.8 8cm
Bars: Sim Works Rambler Bar

EXTRAS THAT ARE INCLUDED:
2 Rat Trap Pass Standard Casing Tires
Set of SKS bluemels Fenders
Soma Front Rack
Tubus Rear Rack (STAINLESS STEEL!!)
Front/Rear Shimano Deore Rim Brake hubs
Extra Alex Adventure Rim to match the front
3 different Handlebars
-Rivendell Bosco Bar
-Nitto Albatross Bar
-Nitto city bar? (its the black one)
Nitto Dirt Drop Stem 25.4

Things you will need:
-Seatpost + saddle, its an odd size but I have the one that came with so you can measure that. I have some cheap saddles if you want one
-Chain, I probably have a chain if you want a used chain
-Pedals, I have plenty if you want some flat pedals

Shoot me an offer!

Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

2024-01-24 Thread Brian Turner

While I still have a couple of well-loved and trusty B17s in service, I am now 
a loyal Gilles Berthoud convert. I’ll second Luke’s recommendation on the Aspin 
(or Aravis if you’re feeling na$ty). They’re gorgeous saddles, the thicker 
leather doesn’t “hammock” like Brooks sometimes can, and everything is 
replaceable/rebuildable. Plus, they are a great company to deal with.

Brian
Lex Kyle

> On Jan 24, 2024, at 12:05 AM, mikel66...@juno.com wrote:
> 
> Rivet Pearl saddle is close to a B17
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Re: [RBW] B17 alternatives

2024-01-24 Thread Brian Turner

While I still have a couple of well-loved and trusty B17s in service, I am now a loyal Gilles Berthoud convert. I’ll second Luke’s recommendation on the Aspin (or Aravis if you’re feeling na$ty). They’re gorgeous saddles, the thicker leather doesn’t “hammock” like Brooks sometimes can, and everything is replaceable/rebuildable. Plus, they are a great company to deal with.BrianLex KY. On Jan 24, 2024, at 1:22 AM, Luke Hendrickson  wrote:I encourage you to try a Berthoud Aspin. Wide like a B17, but with a narrower nose/front end that leads to a sportier saddle and less thigh rub. It doesn’t hurt that it’s also exceptionally beautiful. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: RAGBRAI?

2024-01-27 Thread Brian Turner

It’s unfortunate that this country never has, and never will embrace multi-modal transportation. Just think of all the biking possibilities that could be available to so many more of us, and not just those who live in major metropolitan areas. On Jan 27, 2024, at 8:00 AM, Leah Peterson wrote:Yes, you remember rightly, George. This was why I had to get a 50 cm Platy (still waiting for parts to be built) - so that I could put it on Amtrak; the 55 is just too long. And even then the 50 will be a tight fit, and you can only have so many bikes on the train, and there’s some other dumb rules that may or may not be enforced when we get there. It’s not a bulletproof plan. Marc does it with a Brompton.On Jan 26, 2024, at 11:54 AM, George Schick wrote:I hate to throw a wet blanket on this idea, but wasn't there some discussion on this forum a while back about taking bikes on Amtrak, which trains allow them and which ones don't, where and how they store the bikes, etc? Not sure if that was ever resolved for this route. Has anyone done this before on this Amtrak Wolverine route?On Friday, January 26, 2024 at 10:42:00 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Marc! You want to do this with me, I’m sure!The Lone Wolf and The Platypus Rider Ride Across Two States. I can see it now.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 26, 2024, at 11:29 AM, Marc Irwin wrote:Leah, The ride from Millenium Park sounds like the route I've taken several times to and from Chicago, using Indiana Dunes as one of the overnights. It would be a good ride, you could take Amtrak to Chicago and return on Amtrak from New Buffalo.MarcOn Thursday, January 25, 2024 at 9:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Leif, I could do this It’s Father’s day weekend, so that is the only possible snag. I’m going to try and make this ride! Thank you!!!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 25, 2024, at 8:27 PM, Leif Eckstrom wrote:Hey Leah, and midwestern riders, There’s a well-planned and well-executed ride from Chicago’s Millenium Park to New Buffalo, MI, spread out over 2 days, totalling about 100 miles all told. June 14-15 (Friday and Saturday). Hundreds of friendly riders—most camp the first night at Indiana Dunes state park, but hotels are another option. Easy pace. Easy route. Food and sag support. There are a number of Ragbrai riders who attend this ride from chicago. Perhaps they could give you a taste of ragbrai without all the logistical headaches. I had a lot of fun last year on this ride and made plenty of new friends. Registration opens Sunday, February 11. There are busses and moving trucks to take you, your luggage, and your bike back to chicago should you like. More details here. https://www.bikereg.com/63763Best, Leif in ChicagoOn Sunday, January 21, 2024 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Welp, I was so much more excited about this in theory. After reading about the various experiences of damaged luggage, sweltering temps and difficult logistics, I think I’ll find a different ride to do. Thanks to everyone who offered their experiences! It was a great thread to read in the dead of a Michigan winter.LeahOn Jan 21, 2024, at 12:03 PM, Matt Beecher wrote:If I were to do it again, I would pay for one of the services where they haul your stuff and set up your tent. Getting a hotel will likely be nearly impossible, given the number of people attending. I did RAGBRAI a few years ago and tried bringing my own tent and setting it up at night. The kids they use to haul luggage from site to site quickly destroyed my bag. Basically, they pile them in the truck and if I had to guess, they saw my handles and yanked on it to pull it free, but tore the brand new heavy canvas bag instead. I tried holding it together with a cable lock and tape, but had to give up on that after a few days. A lot of items I didn't need were tossed, then the rest went into my panniers and I had to haul it myself. Overall, I was a bit disappointed with the luggage service side of the trip. However, the ride itself was great, especially eating dinner with strangers every evening. One thing I was happy that I brought was my ultralight cot. It got me off of the ground, which kept me dry on rainy evenings and cooler on hot days. The next trick is to find a way to charge your phone. I'd make sure you have a power bank available. Good luck,MattOn Monday, January 15, 2024 at 5:33:07 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Who knows about Bike Film Festival? I paid for the pass to watch this year’s videos and it was money well-spent. I got to the RAGBRAI documentary last night. Wow. I had heard of it but really knew nothing about it and now I would just love to figure out how to ride it this year. It just looks like such an experience. And I’ve had very few experiences, because I’m late to the bike adventure scene AND I’ve been raising kids! But now they are teenagers and might not even know that I’m gone so

[RBW] Re: Nitto R10

2024-01-27 Thread Brian Turner

Pam, unfortunately your combination of chunky seatpost binder, old-school 
seatpin and sandwich clamp, and the springs on your saddle aren't doing you 
any favors in regards to freeing up what already limited space you have. I 
seriously doubt the clamp for the R10 will find space on your post. And, as 
others have mentioned, the design of the R10 would likely dip down too far 
to avoid interfering with your wheel. It's a shame there are no other 
braze-ons along the length of your seat stays. One option may be to find a 
small rack like a Nitto Mark's rack, and see if you can find rack struts 
long enough to reach down to the rear dropouts, and then either fashion a 
diving board to the brake bridge (where you have your fender clip mounted), 
or use another set of rack struts with p-clamps around your seat stays.

Brian
Lex KY 

On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 9:56:20 AM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> Pam, you might try a trick I've used to stiffen the bag enough to prevent 
> sagging. Get your hands on a sheet of corrugated plastic - the same stuff 
> that is used for political campaign yard signs (they should soon be readily 
> available for no cost ; )   
>
> Cut the plastic sheet to fit the interior width of the bag and long enough 
> to cover the bottom and extend up onto the front wall of the bag. The 
> corrugations need to run across the width of the cut sheet so you can fold 
> it to curve up the front wall. The sheet should be sized to fit slightly 
> snug to prevent it shifting around inside the bag. It's a low cost, light 
> weight solution that repurposes  bit of plastic that is otherwise destined 
> for the land fill.
>
> Your Schwinn looks like a sweet little bike in its own right. 
>
> Steve in Asheville
>
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 12:43:31 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Thinking about getting a R10 as a bag support - for a small Fab's Chest.  
>> This is on my back up Schwinn.  I set it up just like my Betty Foy in case 
>> I ever need any parts.  Concerns are that I have a 26.6 seatpost and it 
>> says 26.8.  I guess I could get a shim.  Would it hold?  How much is the 
>> weight limit for the rack?  And I'm not sure if I have enough seat post to 
>> put the clamp.  Right now, I have the pec dec but if I put too much in the 
>> bag, it starts to sag and I don't want it dragging on the tire.  
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto R10

2024-01-29 Thread Brian Turner

I got mine from across the pond:
https://sprockets.uk.com/nitto-nr-21-canti-rear-rack-mount/

Keep in mind, there are two different versions depending on your brake
bridge mounting orientation. NR-20 is for vertically oriented mount, NR-21
is a threaded mount meant to go straight through (like a fork crown does).
Also, these are meant for 26" wheels.
-Brian

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 10:32 AM Armand Kizirian 
wrote:

> I have both a Nitto NR-20 and Nitto NR-21, which may suit your needs. I
> may be willing to part with one of them ;). They are brand new and
> unobtanium.
>
> On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:15:43 AM UTC-8 Dave S wrote:
>
>> https://tumbleweed.cc/collections/products/products/t-rack
>>
>> They also have the adapter for the fender mount that was mentioned
>> earlier,
>>
>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 11:33:34 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks all for your collective wisdom.  I looked at it again and don't
>>> think it would work either.  And the R50 won't help much since I need help
>>> on the bottom.  I'll try Steve's coroplast idea to see if that helps.  I
>>> was trying to just have one big bag on this bike.  But when I carry stuff
>>> it gets heavy and sags.  I may add the coroplast and out a front bag on or
>>> just make sure I'm w/someone else w/more carrying capacity.
>>>
>>> I never have a problem carrying stuff on my Betty.  I'm so used to
>>> having 2 big bags and a rear rack.  And then the sky is the limit
>>> literally.  That and the 50 lb weight limit of the rack or whatever it's
>>> supposed to be.  But I won't go far with that much weight anyway.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 3:18:12 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is a link to a Nitto R50 Andrews Bag Holder:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/18670-nitto-r50-andrews-bag-holder-rivendell-3797#attr=
>>>>
>>>> There is only one available LEFT ! ! !
>>>>
>>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 7:05:19 AM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pam, unfortunately your combination of chunky seatpost binder,
>>>>> old-school seatpin and sandwich clamp, and the springs on your saddle
>>>>> aren't doing you any favors in regards to freeing up what already limited
>>>>> space you have. I seriously doubt the clamp for the R10 will find space on
>>>>> your post. And, as others have mentioned, the design of the R10 would
>>>>> likely dip down too far to avoid interfering with your wheel. It's a shame
>>>>> there are no other braze-ons along the length of your seat stays. One
>>>>> option may be to find a small rack like a Nitto Mark's rack, and see if 
>>>>> you
>>>>> can find rack struts long enough to reach down to the rear dropouts, and
>>>>> then either fashion a diving board to the brake bridge (where you have 
>>>>> your
>>>>> fender clip mounted), or use another set of rack struts with p-clamps
>>>>> around your seat stays.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>> Lex KY
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 9:56:20 AM UTC-5 Steve wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pam, you might try a trick I've used to stiffen the bag enough to
>>>>>> prevent sagging. Get your hands on a sheet of corrugated plastic - the 
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> stuff that is used for political campaign yard signs (they should soon be
>>>>>> readily available for no cost ; )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cut the plastic sheet to fit the interior width of the bag and long
>>>>>> enough to cover the bottom and extend up onto the front wall of the bag.
>>>>>> The corrugations need to run across the width of the cut sheet so you can
>>>>>> fold it to curve up the front wall. The sheet should be sized to fit
>>>>>> slightly snug to prevent it shifting around inside the bag. It's a low
>>>>>> cost, light weight solution that repurposes  bit of plastic that is
>>>>>> otherwise destined for the land fill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your Schwinn looks like a sweet little bike in its own right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve in Asheville
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, Janu

Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto R10

2024-01-29 Thread Brian Turner

Also, here's my NR-20 <https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nsa3zTbX15k7qFUE9> shown 
mounted to my 26" Atlantis, so you can see how it works with my fenders and 
mounted to the rear bridge. With all the clearance I have, I had to use a 
25mm aluminum spacer to get it to fit, and fortunately everything worked 
out perfect with my fender lines. I don't know if this will help you, Pam, 
but I thought I'd put the info out there so you can make a more informed 
decision.

-Brian

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 9:26:53 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:

I got mine from across the pond: 
https://sprockets.uk.com/nitto-nr-21-canti-rear-rack-mount/

Keep in mind, there are two different versions depending on your brake 
bridge mounting orientation. NR-20 is for vertically oriented mount, NR-21 
is a threaded mount meant to go straight through (like a fork crown does). 
Also, these are meant for 26" wheels.
-Brian


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Re: [RBW] Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

2024-02-01 Thread Brian Turner

I'm perfectly comfortable on B17s, and always have been... but I've 
recently (past 2-3 years) switched to Berthoud saddles. I think one of the 
issues Brooks saddles can have is that there seem to be inconsistencies in 
the quality and thickness of the leather used. I'm still using a 15 year 
old B17 Special that is very comfortable and still holding up strong, but 
I've had a couple other B17s come and go since I first purchased this one. 
I guess this one was just an especially good one, or whatever. You'll pay 
more for other brands like Berthoud or Ideale but the leather is noticeably 
better quality than what I've found on Brooks. A purely subjective data 
point, but I've never bothered with padded shorts or chamois. I wear 
regular shorts or pants with merino boxers no matter what type of ride or 
ride length.

-Brian
Lex KY

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 12:43:59 PM UTC-5 Mojo wrote:

> Jay,
>
> Here is my data point FWIW. I adjust my B17s to be nose up higher than 
> back-of-saddle up. In other words, my saddle has less of a nose-up position 
> less than the back flat position discussed here, creating a hammock shape, 
> but again with the nose a bit higher than the back.
>
> I find B17s quite comfortable for day riding, but it literally wears on me 
> on multiday tours. I have found the Berthoud Aspin, 157mm width, to be much 
> more comfortable and more expensive. The WTB Pure, 148mm width, does well 
> for day rides and costs so much less. Both tilt adjusted as described above.
>
> Joe in GJT 
>
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 6:52:51 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the wisdom.  And the humour (Eric).
>>
>> I installed the saddle and tinkered with initial set up in my basement. 
>>  Proceeded to go out for ride one, around the block.  These very short 
>> rides tell me if I'm way off.  I was.  Made adjustments about five more 
>> times, going around my block once or twice each time.  Felt better, but 
>> never comfortable.  Went out for a 10k ride.  Stopped twice to adjust.  I 
>> had the saddle level in the back, which puts the nose up (as you know). 
>>  That had me neither sliding forward or backward, but it wasn't 
>> comfortable.  I felt like the tilt was right (no slide), height was good 
>> (decent extension at bottom of stroke), and I'm guessing fore/aft was 
>> good...no leg pain. Hard to say what was uncomfortable; I felt the skirt of 
>> the saddle, and general discomfort around the sit bones (not the sit bone 
>> pin-point area itself).  
>>
>> When I ride my Prologo (147mm wide) I am very comfortable for 1-2 hours, 
>> then it slowly becomes uncomfortable (friction/chafing).  The Prologo was 
>> comfortable from ride one (after the small adjustments per my routine).  On 
>> my Fargo, where I'm riding it like a drop-bar mountain bike on 'green' 
>> trails in my area, I stand a lot, and I can ride long without discomfort. 
>>  Long road rides, however, not so good.  Same saddle on my road bike, bit 
>> better at the 2-3hr mark.
>>
>> Not sure where to go from here!  I don't think I'll bring the saddle for 
>> the Roadini fitting, but I won't get rid of it.  We'll see how this unfolds 
>> :-)
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 3:06:26 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> I've owned many B17 saddles, and there is variability, and in my 
>>> experience, less variability in the Special than in the Standard. So if you 
>>> don't like the B17 you try, it may just be you don't like *that* particular 
>>> B17. 
>>>
>>> I've always thought that Brooks should do a little pressure test mid-way 
>>> on the saddle to address the variability in the leather. In my experience, 
>>> some seem made for more robust torsos, and some for much less. I regret 
>>> selling a just right one to a very nice person here in town, but am more 
>>> pleased to know how well it suits him. 
>>>
>>> For starters, I always adjust a B17 to nose up by a tip of the thumb 
>>> thickness at the back from level. That gets me good enough. 
>>>
>>> If further micro-adjustment is needed, I have a small round magnet that 
>>> Riv provided with my Hobson Zingo (is that right?) Allen key that remains 
>>> on the bike's head tube and then temporarily set my 4 or 5mm key handy and 
>>> (ideally) have a seat post with a fore and aft screw for the adjustment. 
>>>
>>> I recall an old video of Eddy Merckx micro adjusting his saddle height 
>>> while out on a ride. Makes me feel just like Eddy. 
>>>
>>> - Chris 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 9:26:36 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I believe that it all depends on your riding posture in the angle of 
 which your pelvis and your seat bones rest on the saddle. See attachment 
 diagram. 

 It is a personal choice and preference as much as one's bum is 
 different from the next person's. 

 I ride in an upright riding position my Clem with my B66S saddle's nose 
 titled up slightly. I wear padded cycling shorts.

Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

2024-02-02 Thread Brian Turner

I think a bike looks and feels incredibly unbalanced with just two big 
stuffed rear panniers. Like many here have stated, the super noodly 
rear-end just isn't desirable. And, if you're carrying so much stuff that 
you're filling two big panniers, why not balance the load a bit more and 
carry some gear up front? Like Samwise Gamgee says, "share the load".

-Brian
Lex KY 

On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 7:54:54 AM UTC-5 Ron Mc wrote:

> If we're comparing front loads, poppers and ribs
>
> [image: wVRl7xH.jpg] [image: 4MaD0iL.jpg]
> [image: hws6znn.jpg] [image: Sn20Bp4.jpg]
>
>
> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 12:15:37 AM UTC-6 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Best is both worlds! A 137 up front with either my swift sugarloaf or 
>> shopsack and 1 or 2 panniers in the rear. About all one could ask for with 
>> nearly all day-long commuting or utilitarian purposes. I scored the most 
>> recent version of an Ortlieb Vario off eBay. That has been the ultimate 
>> solution. As much as I despise the hyper-engineered materials and 
>> manufacturing processes, they have come up with a design so good that it 
>> has reduced my resistance to some rides previously (needing a backpack, but 
>> not wanting to carry one, and not wanting to put it awkwardly in a basket, 
>> or another pannier). I've gotten it down to maybe 3-5 seconds to switch 
>> between pannier and backpack. What seals the deal, is that it holds weight 
>> *exceptionally 
>> well* as a backpack and is very comfortable, which I think no other 
>> convertible backpack/panniers previously do very well. I use it every day 
>> and carry significant weight of a mobile office into a co-working space. 
>> Even if I paid full price, the value is very much there for me. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:51:20 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and bags 
>>> are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes handle 
>>> with front weight. A lot of us can't stand that tail-wiggle that comes from 
>>> overloaded rear panniers. I know that I would rather do a Costco run or 
>>> carry my cornhole boards on a front rack with bungee cords. I have tried it 
>>> all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again unless I'm on a long 
>>> tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, Swift Industries Jr. 
>>> Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, Rogue Panda Frame bag 
>>> and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't provide enough storage space 
>>> for me. 
>>>
>>> It seems like the OP is quite attached to rear panniers because it suits 
>>> his personal riding style. From the tone of the responses to some of the 
>>> replies, OP is looking for either validation or to be convinced that there 
>>> is a BETTER way to ride/load. But bikes are so deeply personal. That's why 
>>> we ride and tinker and convert and trade. So we can find the bike style and 
>>> set-up that suits us best. I personally can't stand rear-weight, simply 
>>> because of "how it feels." TAIL-WIGGLE is like nails on a chalkboard to me. 
>>> I also love the aesthetics of high-mounted front loads, I just find it more 
>>> pleasing to look at. 
>>>
>>> Final point: I don't think that The Everyman rides Rivendells. Folks who 
>>> can afford these bikes are a privileged few, and many of us have spent 
>>> YEARS tinkering, switching out racks, switching out bags, saddlebags, 
>>> Fabio's Chests, Carradice bags, etc. etc. So the fact that so many 
>>> Rivendell-listers choose to ride with front baskets and bags means that 
>>> through trial and error, we have decided that it works better for us and it 
>>> "feels better." NOT saying it IS better, even though I feel just as 
>>> strongly about front-loading as OP does about rear-loading. But if we all 
>>> rode the same way, how boring this would all be and how would I be able to 
>>> pick up cheap niche bike gear at a discounted rate when all you indecisive 
>>> Riv Riders decide that "PAUL BRAKES ARE OUT AND V-BRAKES ARE IN!!!" or 
>>> "BROOKS SADDLES ARE OVERRATED. I NEED A BERTHOUD!!!"
>>>
>>> (And babies like riding in front-baskets)
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: 0-1.jpg][image: IMG_5539.jpg][image: IMG_7392.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 5:26:41 PM UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 I have basically the same reasoning as Ian, and also live in a city and 
 dont want to leave bags on my bike when I lock up, plus i like my daily 
 bag 
 to not look too bikey (I use the shopsacks). Convenient and easy, easier 
 to 
 pile up with whatever shit i want, take a jacket or sweater off if i get 
 hot, sling my lock into it. Does it affect handling? yep, but i dont 
 really 
 mind that much for riding around town. If my situation was different maybe 
 id do things differently, but I tend to like having a at least a small 
 basket available for an around town bike. I like the way it looks too.

Re: [RBW] WTB: All Rounder

2024-02-05 Thread Brian Turner

If not an AR, a 54.5cm or 56cm Toyo or Waterford Atlantis 26” will be nearly the same. Probably easier to score, too.I’m 5’8” with a 83 PBH, and riding a 54.5 Atlantis. Could just as easily ride a 56cm.- Brian On Feb 5, 2024, at 10:26 PM, Hoch in ut  wrote:Looking for an All Rounder. Not sure what the sizing was, but my PBH is 83.3cm at 5’11”. I’ll most likely equip it with moustache or similar “sporty” bars. Please let me know if you have one available. I may be talked into a pre-MIT Atlantis or Hunqapillar. Thanks. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-19 Thread Brian Turner

I also sympathize with the seatpost situation on most of the current Rivs. I had this gorgeous Paul TnH polished seatpost just languishing in my parts bin for the perfect bike - which I kinda thought might be my Gus… so image my dismay upon realizing it has (insert sad trombone) 26-point-freakin-8. Bummer. Good thing is, I sold it to fund a nice new Nitto 2-bolt seatpost, which was perfectly suitable.On Oct 19, 2022, at 10:55 PM, Ryan Frahm wrote:I meant to say earlier that I do agree with you on the seatpost size Jason. I never plan to use a dropper but I’d have loved to use my Eriksen Sweetpost! That and some custom form of titanium tosco ish bars from Doom would make me even happier with my Susie. Everything is nicer with a touch of titanium!On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:Regarding my earlier comment - I know, and fully respect, that Grant plans to never make a disc brake bike. Which is fine - sure, it limits their function in certain scenarios, but I do really appreciate brands that are willing to do what they want rather than follow market trends. It's what makes Rene Herse, Jones, and others also worth cherishing even if you don't necessarily feel the same way. And I absolutely think that rim brakes are just as good, if not better, than disc brakes for the majority of riding that people do. I think Hillibikes should be v-brake. If I want discs, I know where else to look. It's great to have a V-brake option on the market! It's more the seatpost size that really bugs me. I know it's a product of the available seat clamp lug. Hopefully they will go 27.2 in the future - then you can run a thudbuster, a dropper, or a regular seatpost. The brake thing is a stylistic choice I respect, but the seatpost size is just unfortunate. On Wednesday, 19 October 2022 at 19:15:09 UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you for the information.On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 11:22 AM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:Kim, that’s from 2021 — One year agoOn Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:59:27 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:I know the deadline has come and passed. It does not indicate as to whether or not if this for the Clem Smith Jr. "H" or the "L" version. However, for information reasons:https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/clem-lotto-tickets-on-sale-til-friday-the-15th?_pos=1&_sid=934df0537&_ss=rKim HetzelYelm, WA.On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 8:02:12 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:Absolutely. If I could pick one bike to do it all, I’d likely pick up a Clem L frame. It crosses my mind often actually because I’ve always looked for the “one” bike to do it all. On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:57:00 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:VERY interesting! Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 19, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Kim Hetzel wrote:I own a 2021 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L". I am just beginning to fully appreciate this bicycle beyond it being very comfortable. Awhile back, I asked Will Keating from Rivendell Bicycle Works a question about the differences between the Suzie and the Clem.He said, "The Susie is longer, has lighter tubing, and is fillet brazed (the Clems are tig welded) which makes them more expensive. The Susie also fits a slightly bigger tire - Clems max out at around 2.4; Susie fit a 2.6. Other than that - they are similar!"Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:Hello! I picked up a Susie in the last run and have been using it as my mountain bike. That said, I have not ridden a suspension bike in quite a while. I did see the email that a second run was going to happen. It was supposed to be spring this year I think but since the ones I got didn’t show up till then I’m sure it will be next year at this point, no mention of them for a while. I haven’t ridden a Clem L so I can’t say, I do have a Clem H though. I love my Clem! The H has a little bit steeper head tube, the new Clem L seems to be a slightly closer spec to a Gus or Susie as far as head tube angle and fork rake. My Susie feels like riding on a cloud compared to the Clem and I don’t think it is just the tire size but I’m sure it plays a good part of it. The extra height of the BB on the Susie is very welcome in the chunky stuff as well. The tubes on the Susie feel full of like and spring forward when I get on it. I ride the Clem daily towing my daughter around and it is perfect for that. Load the Clem up with whatever and it is stable as can be. The Susie has more flex. Not sure if a Gus feels stiffer but I love the way the Susie rides. My Clem has an albatross bar and I have bosco’s on the Susie. So not a fair comparison in upright sitting. The Susie is very upright and my Clem not so much. Funny thing, I thought I was faster on the Clem. This week I am using the Susie and I’m actually slightly faster on it while feeling like I’m not working as hard. According to my gps data on my usual daily routes. Only 2 days so far

Re: [RBW] Your preferred handlebar for longer rides

2022-10-20 Thread Brian Turner

The bars I've found most comfortable for longer days in the saddle (which I
define as 40 to 65 miles) are as follows:
Salsa Cowchipper 48cm (flared gravel drop)
Velo Orange Grand Cru Randonneur bars 48cm (more traditional drop but with
a bit of flare and a very slight rise / sweep in the ramps)
Jones Loop bars 66cm (adventure-style bar with a nice sweep)

I've also used Tosco / Bosco style swept-back bars, but like you, around 30
miles and I start to wish I had a different position.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 3:25 PM Chris K  wrote:

> Just a general question to the group: what handlebar do you like best for
> rides longer than say, 15 miles?
>
> I assume many of you would say drops. So to refine the question a bit,
> what non-drop bar do you like best for longer rides?
>
> Personally, almost all of my rides are in the 2-15 mile range. I run bike
> errands and/or commute by bike in the city most days, accounting for most
> of these miles. For this mileage and use, the Billie bar is a proven winner
> for me. However, this summer I took a few 20-30 mile rides further afield
> and felt myself wanting something different. Part of my problem is I only
> have one bike - an around-town errand bike that is being asked to go on
> longer rides on both pavement and gravel, and hills start to come into
> play. The other problem is I want to stick with MTB levers and shifters. I
> don't want to do a drop bar conversion. I did pick up both a Choco and a
> Wavie to try out. No significant miles ridden with them yet though.
>
> Anyway, I know it comes down to personal preference and many other
> factors. Nonetheless, I do wonder which of the Rivendell handlebars emerge
> as favorites for longer riding?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-22 Thread Brian Turner

I’m right there with you, Richard. I think PBH gets you in the ballpark, but I always feel like a bit of an oddball whenever I read Rivendell talk about how to figure it in relation to saddle height. For example, I’m 5’8” with a 84cm PBH. However, my saddle height is consistently 71-72cm across all my bikes, so I always feel like I’m riding my saddles lower than I should be. But, if I raise them any higher, I get knee pain immediately.On Oct 22, 2022, at 1:53 PM, Richard Rose wrote:Paul, regarding your wheel size comments; what is your saddle height if I may ask? I sometimes get a little frustrated by PBH measurements. There is built in inaccuracy imho taking that measurement. Look at this pic of a Riv staff bike. This is a size 56 with presumably 29” wheels. My best guess as to my PBH would be 84. The owner of this bike is 85.5. If it were as simple as that I might conclude that I should ride the 56 vs. the 53. BUT, if I knew the saddle height of the pictured bike it would be more useful I think. It is complicated by the fact that I use a 2-3 cm lower saddle height than a 84 PBH might suggest because I have adopted a mid foot pedal position. I would love to know the saddle height of the pictured bike. Like you, I like the 27.5 wheels and could probably make both sizes work.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 20, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Paul Clifton wrote:I ride my Gus as my primary mountain bike. I have ridden a Rosco Bebe, and MTBubbe, a Jones and a full suspension Knolly Warden on the same trails for several years. All of then except for the Jones use 27.5 wheels: max tire sizes = MTBubbe and Rosco Bebe 2.35", Jones 29x3", Knolly 2.5", Gus 2.8". I didn't measure those, that's the nominal size of tire I run on them.Of them all, the Gus is my favorite for everything short of black diamond downhill. I also don't jump or drop anymore (or for the time being) so on blue/black flow trails, I brake over the table tops and roll around the gaps.The Rosco Bebe and MTBubbe are similar to a Clem L in a lot of ways. The Bebe has shorter chainstays, a 68 degree seat tube, and a longer effective top tube, so it requires Bosco bars. The MTBubbe is a relatively short bike in terms of modern Rivs, and it's extremely agile, yet stable. Like an old school MTB but without the endo potential and twitchy handling. They are both totally capable of handling all trails, and I've even ridden plenty of black downhill trails on the MTBubbe with the seat lowered a bit, and I've take a few good sized drops on it. It's all around just a really good mountain bike. It's super agile and feels like riding a skateboard sometimes, because it's so small. It fits me; it's just a little bike and I love it.The Jones basically just rolls over anything without question. The huge wheels really change the way I approach the trails. Which leads me to my first big pointWhat size Gus/Susie would you get? wheel size29er wheels vs 27.5 is a legitimate concern when thinking about a mountain bike. I know I like 27.5 wheels better, but a lot of modern trails assume you're riding a 29x2.5 to 29x2.8 tire and the size of the rocks and rollers is engineered with that in mind. And bigger wheels just roll over more stuff easier. For me, it's easy to let the Jones (and Knolly) get out of control on descents, and on the Jones, it's harder to reign it in, because the wheels just keep going. That's a rider thing, but my fat 27.5 Gus rolls over everything, just without being completely unphased. It experiences the bumps more, and therefore, so do it.My second big comment is about dropper posts - I would also like to have a dropper post on my Gus, but I don't actually think it matters much. I still like the Gus more than my Jones or Knolly that both have them. When I get to the trail, I lower my seat about 2 cm and usually just leave it that way. Short of really gnarly downhill stuff (and I do mean really gnarly), I'm able to get my butt back far enough to handle it. I just bought a QR seat post bolt, so that should make my life even easier.Which brings me to my third point: handlebarsRiv put Boscos on the Gus and Susy. That makes for a great upright riding position, but IME, they are bad for mountain biking. They hit my legs when I go around switch backs and the wrist angle makes it hard to hang on properly when I'm getting my butt back to go down steep stuff. I put a 35mm stem and Tumbleweed Pursuader bars on mine and it changed the ride for the better in nearly every possible way. The mostly straight bars still sometimes hit my legs on the sharpest downhill switch backs, but I think that's a me problem and not a bike problem (a dropper would prob help that though).Handling - The Gus handling is very responsive - like the best modern MTBs, it's really easy to change the direction of the front wheel, to quickly correct a line or keep it from flopping over when you hit a rock the wrong way. Unlike modern MTBs, it holds its line extremely well, on rough stuff AND when cruising. Th

[RBW] Re: Brass on Newbaums

2022-10-25 Thread Brian Turner

As much as I love finding parts on McMaster and Bolt Depot, sourcing brass 
M5 bolts can get pretty pricey. I recently searched eBay and the dreaded 
Amazon and was finding similar quality brass bolts for like $12 per 
10-pack. They come from China mind you, but if you really wanted a good 
supply of brass hardware for way cheaper, that's what I'd recommend.

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 8:36:06 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey now, I like these brass and copper wire wraps! 
>
> I would think that wrapping the wire tight and finishing it by twisting 
> two ends together somehow would hold in place pretty well. I might have to 
> experiment. 
>
> Will look great once it starts to weather! 
>
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 1:51:37 AM UTC-4 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>>
>> That looks good!
>> I did a similar wrap a few years ago on a couple different bikes, also 
>> using art project wire!
>>
>> https://www.biketinker.com/2007/projects/copper-wire-to-finish-off-your-bar-wrap/
>>
>> Philip
>> Sonoma County, Calif (but Yamhill County, Ore back then)
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in the process of tinkering on the Appaloosa (going to SS finally) 
>>> and the process has involved several big changes and some not-so-big 
>>> changes...namely this one.
>>>
>>> Eric Marth's videos have inspired me to add more shiny brass bits to my 
>>> bikes, but without sending $5 per brass bolt! Instead, I had some leftover 
>>> brass wire (several hundred feet!) from a little art project I finished 
>>> several years ago now, and I have also always wanted to try the twine wrap 
>>> on the newbaums. In this case, I didn't want to buy some twine and figured 
>>> "Hey, I've got this narrow gauge brass wire, lets try that on my chainstay 
>>> wrap in case it turns out like crap." This was the result (with 2 year old 
>>> newbaums):
>>> [image: PXL_20221025_011343607 (1).jpg]
>>>
>>> Not the cleanest result, but the brass obviously has less twine-like 
>>> properties and forces a much tighter wrap and is less forgiving in the 
>>> final look. The final step of bringing the knot under the wrap is also a 
>>> bit of a nuance and is not as "clean," although I'm hoping to improve it 
>>> with some more attempts. For those curious, a 1.5m length piece of this 
>>> wire is 2.5g.
>>>
>>> I'm also going to try using brass washers under my stainless bolts to 
>>> add a bit of shiny to an otherwise mundane fastener...and those are only 
>>> $0.10 a piece!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Collin, "fools gold" in Sacramento
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Betty Foy Sizing & Search

2022-10-25 Thread Brian Turner

Last year, we had a Soma Buena Vista mixte built up for my wife, and it is 
an incredible bike. So much so, that I often find myself riding it around 
the neighborhood when she's unaware. She rides the same size frames as me 
(54cm), but she doesn't like the height of traditional top tubes, so we 
looked for a nice step-through or mixte design and then found the Buena 
Vista. Nicely made with Tange steel and really cool details. Just something 
to consider.

On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 2:31:01 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric Marth posted a really nice video of the SR mixte he rebuilt for his 
> partner.  Converted the original 27" wheelset to 700c. Came out 
> beautifully.  A good reminder of the utility of older bikes, if they were 
> well cared for.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/bBIzsD73S3M
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 5:48:17 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> Those were the early Bettys. The later Bettys came in different sizes. 
>> Mine is a 60:
>> [image: RIV.JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 25, 2022 at 6:07:05 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the orignal geo for the Foy. Rivendell never posted any 
>>> stack/reach info for the Betty. If your wife likes the Betty, stick with 
>>> that.  I can see why as the paint job is awesome. There's nothing worse 
>>> than asking for cookies and someone offers you saltines. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 10:31:22 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 Matt

 The World Sport used 1020 stays.

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ

 On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 10:27:06 PM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Matt
>
> Have you considered a 1986 to 1990 Schwinn World Sport or 1986/87 
> Traveler Step Thrus or a 1984 to 1987 Schwinn LeTour Step Thru??  The 
> Step 
> thru looks like a Betty but without the extra set of stays behind the 
> TT/ST 
> lug, scan of 1985 Schwinn catalog of a World Sport step thru
>
> Schwinn catalogs, 1981 - 1990 (266 of 456) (waterfordbikes.com) 
> 
>
> Both use 4130 double Butted TT/DT (lugged) and a 1020 tubular fork & 
> have 27" alloy rims.   The LeTours used 4130 stays.  Craiglist is a good 
> source with prices in the $125 to $250 range.   Common size frame size is 
> 19" C-T (48cm) with some 21" frames.   A 19" should fit her 5'4".   
> Schwinn 
> gave 26# for the LeTour and 27# for the World Sport.   Panaracer still 
> has 
> the Pasela in a 27" tire.
>
> She may appreciate the lower cost.
>
> The World model is a 1020 LUGGED frame and weighs about 28# which is 
> not bad and have 27" alloy rims in 1985 and after.   There tend to be 
> more 
> World's vs World Sport/Traveler simply because they cost less
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 3:00:06 PM UTC-4 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've been looking for a step-through for my wife. She specifically 
>> likes a Betty Foy, but really anything "pretty" would work. She's not 
>> really in to changing gears a lot, and this would also be for commuting 
>> and 
>> trail rides <10 miles. Does this crew have any ideas/bikes?
>>
>> Also, it's tough to find sizing on the Betty Foy bikes. Does anyone 
>> have old material or could chime in with their size? I've searched and 
>> searched, but been coming up empty.
>>
>> She's 5'4" with a 77 PBH.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt in STL
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-30 Thread Brian Turner

I’m running the Ehline 27.5 x 2.5 on my Gus currently. I had them on a previous bike that was a dedicated trail bike, and I liked them for that purpose a lot, so I knew what to expect. So far, I’m riding my Gus 50/50 dirt/pavement and I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised at how well they roll on paved surfaces. Pretty quiet, too. I doubt I’m going to be doing any long paved rides, but for knocking around town and shorter paved trips 30 mi or less, they are quite enjoyable. All this said, if Jan H. decided to make a tire slightly bigger than the Umtanum or Fleecer Ridge in the 2.5” / 2.6” range, I would buy them in an instant. Those RH knobbies perform equally well and roll fast and quiet on all surfaces in my opinion and experience.On Oct 30, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Ryan Frahm wrote:I’ll chime in on the Teravail Ehline vs the Ranger. Granted, I ran a 3” Ranger tough vs the Light 2.5 Ehline, but the Ranger was extremely slow in comparison. I haven’t tried the Vittoria, but I’ve heard they are great tires. That being said, when I need new tires they will likely be Rene Herse Fleecer Ridge endurance casing. They are fantastic all around tires, worth the extra $ in my experience. On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 9:26:16 PM UTC-7 mkernan...@gmail.com wrote:If we’re talking tires, take a look at the Kenda Booster Pro. It comes in 29x 2.6 and 27.5x2.8 and both in 120 TPI with standard casing and a more puncture resistant casing, both tubeless ready. I have the 29x2.2 version and they are a surprisingly fast and not buzzy on pavement and very very grippy tire on gravel and single track. I have them in the standard casing and they feel really solid and don’t squirm with running lower pressure. A quick look at the tech specs and the claimed weights are very light for a 29x2.6 tire( 681 +/-34 g for the standard casing and 763 +/- 38g for the more puncture resistant casing. Again, I only have the 29x2.2 tires so can’t speak of real world experience of the 29x 2.6 or 27.5x2.8 but if the characteristics carry over, it is a wonderfully fast and grippy tireSent from my iPhoneOn Oct 29, 2022, at 7:50 PM, Luke Hendrickson wrote:I appreciate it. ❤️On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 7:45:47 PM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:Luke,I'm so sorry for your loss. What a nice story behind your Atlantis. The build is great but the story behind it makes it extra special. Thanks for sharing it with us!On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:16 PM Luke Hendrickson wrote:I appreciate the input on the sorta terrain you’re on with them. Since my Riv is my do-it-all, I spend time on fire roads, single track, paved, and everything in between. The Maxxis tires currently on the bike are tough wearing and durable. Supple is sorta down the list in desired qualities (although some Ultradynamico tires may be in my near future).Thanks again, Paul.—LukeOn Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 6:02:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Clifton wrote:The 2.8" G-Ones are OK. Not great. Definitely not bad. The 2.8s only come in the DD Raceguard compound, which I don't think is the supplest. They're just really fat and a little hard to push on pavement. But they are a lot of fun on the single track, and until I get them into some real mud, I think they're all I need. Basically, they ride like a really good touring tire, I think. Plenty comfortable, plenty capable, plenty durable, but not especially supple or fast.Of course, the air pressure can really impact how supple they feel, and to a degree, change how boggy they feel.I'd really like a 2.5" or 2.6" tire with a similar tread and a suppler casing. The Scwalbe Big Ones were a chubby 60mm and they were my favorite for a long time. They weren't quite enough on single track, and the skinnier G Ones - 57mm - probably won't be either.I really think these fat G-Ones do so well on the single track because of their chub, not the tread. And I'm going to keep them on at least long enough for me to ride them in the deep sand at the beach this winter. I have a feeling they'll do even better than the Big Ones there.If the WTB Ranger was available in 27.5 right now, I'd give that a try. I hear good things about the Teravail Ehline in 27.5 x 2.5, but it has a more aggressive tread than I want for riding on pavement.So for an all around bike that sees 50% single track and 50% pavement, I think these are about as good as it gets.PaulOn Friday, October 28, 2022 at 10:14:06 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Paul – great info and analysis. How’re you liking the Schwalbes? I’m tempted by them. On Thursday, October 20, 2022 at 9:42:12 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:Yes good discussion! Paul, it's neat and surprising to hear from another Knolly rider here of all places - I rode a Chilcotin (the older 26" version) for a bunch of years! Sold it about a year ago and replaced it with an Esker Japhy steel hardtail as a bike that was more my style, but still capable of riding black / double black trails. I absolut

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie / Gus questions

2022-10-31 Thread Brian Turner

I am also running Motolites on my Gus (54cm) and have a full 1cm of clearance from the brake cable on the front, and 7mm on the rear. 27.5x2.5 Ehlines. With that tight of a tolerance, I’d probably need to consult with someone who has real experience with a particular tire / same brake setup before I tried anything larger.On Oct 31, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Ryan Frahm wrote:Great looking Gus! The XR2 is a great tire. They were sold out everywhere when I picked up the Ehline or I’d gave probably gone for them. I’d love to have a full cm of rear clearance between my brake. With the 2.5 Ehline and a DXR I have 3mm tops with the rubber brake noodle in place. I have plenty of space up front but the rear is very tight. I was really hoping for a 2.8 to fit easily but I don’t think it will. If I have to go to a 2.2 to have proper mud clearance the bike starts to make less sense for me. On Monday, October 31, 2022 at 7:18:17 AM UTC-7 psc...@gmail.com wrote:Speaking of tires for Gus, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Bontrager XR2. Having ridden most of Rene Herse's offerings on several different bikes, including Fleecer Ridge on a Clem L (I no longer own), I am really enjoying the XR2 which feels a like a bigger RH tire. It is relatively light for a 2.6 tire and has the characteristics I was looking for. Fast rolling 120 TPI and evenly spaced knobbies all the way around. They are a great option for Gus. They just fit under Paul motolites with about 10mm of clearance at the brake cable crossing point just above the center of the tire. I like the benefit of this tire more than the benefit of this particular brake, and with this tight clearance I am now considering 'downgrading' to longer/taller V-brakes.

Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand plates, what's up with that?

2022-11-06 Thread Brian Turner

Maybe this is the wrong question to ask, but is it too tall an order to expect a kickstand plate that doesn’t shear off under normal circumstances? I mean, I figure if anyone is going to design a proper kickstand plate to fit a variety of stands and applications for use, it would be Rivendell, no?On Nov 6, 2022, at 6:00 PM, Jeffrey Arita  wrote:My wife and I each had Rivendells (me an AHH, my wife Betty Foy).  Both frame models each came with kickstand plates (yay!).  We spec'd both bikes with Greenfield single leg sidestands.  To our knowledge, the kickstand plates remained sturdy and attached.  But, both bikes were not loaded with a lot of gear or stuff - no racks and panniers, groceries, etc.  My wife did commute with her BF and she did carry extra clothing and shoes, but that was pretty much it.We've since sold the Rivs but definitely see the need for some sort of sidestand, especially while loaded touring.  We've got friends that have purchased Click-Stands and they hold a very well loaded bicycle.  The guy builds a solid product.  Just remember to use the front brake band and you're good-to-go.  I ended up making our own from tent pole pieces after seeing how simple they were.  Another possible solution that won't stress out any part of the bicycle.http://www.click-stand.com/Leah: if you are concerned about your smartphone bicycle mount, consider getting a Quad Lock.  They are pricey, but we feel it is well worth it.  We've used them for years now (6+) cyclotouring on- and off-road and they have kept our phones safe and secure.https://www.quadlockcase.com/collections/shop-cycleGood luck,Jeff & Lori AritaClaremont, CAOn Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 2:25:28 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:[ I thank-you Joe Bernard for diverting Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread into a separate thread about "Kickstand plates, what's up with that ?" ]I'm always here to help! 🙋‍♂️ Or annoy people, depending on your POV! 😂I'm definitely going to keep my one-legger and try not to snap anything. I tried kickstandless for a few weeks and it drove me nuts trying to figure out how to part my bike with scraping it on poles and walls. Kickstands for me! On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 2:03:43 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:I thank-you Joe Bernard for diverting 
Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread

into a separate thread about "Kickstand plates, what's up with that ?"Upon you doing this, your timing is perfect. Like I mentioned previously, I just installed my 
new Pletscher two legged kickstand and the new rubber shoes for the feet of the stand on my Clem Smith Jr. "L" bike. I had the same set-up on my 2008 Surly Long Haul Trucker with no issues in the short time that I owned it. I am very grateful to read all the valuable input and experiences with their kickstand plates. What I plan on doing is to remove my 
Pletscher two legged kickstand and put the single kickstand back on my bike for the time being. I am going to order the Pletscher kickstand hardware from Rivendell and install the rubber chain stay protectors with the long bolt and reinstall the two legged kickstand. I want to preserve my kickstand plate being the third owner in less than a year. Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 11:10:44 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the bar if you ever screwed it down that hard. A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it tight. On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:I read the product description which warns of over tightening and ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount that affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie Bars! I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder if it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s worth.)On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V.  -Brooklyn NY  wrote:https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241Save the plate! Add some weight!-KaiOn Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with both is this: I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on the stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the bike fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand wants to

Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-12 Thread Brian Turner

Gus owner here. For the type of riding you’re describing, I would think a Platy would be the better choice. Gus is overbuilt and suited for fat, chunkier tires to handle rougher terrain. You mentioned not liking the super upright position, and the Gus (with swept back bars) IS super upright. That said, a Platypus will also be a very upright riding position, so keep that in mind.- Brian On Nov 12, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Johnny Alien wrote:The Gus seems a little bit overbuilt for the type of riding you describe. For what you described I would go with the slightly lighter built Susie or a Clem.On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:55:02 AM UTC-5 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something or other always came up. The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on paved country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the unpaved stuff is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but any bike with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile ride. I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in town rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo riding usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry. My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know the Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. I'm not a fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a fall last year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful). Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the road as the Platypus? Thanks for the help! Cheers,Jacob

Re: [RBW] Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-12 Thread Brian Turner

Another factor of Gus to consider: tire size. You say you would be riding
the largest frame size in either, but would want tires suited more for
paved riding. The Gus is such a huge bike ( I feel like my Medium 54cm is
massive), and the XL sizes just furthers their massiveness. No slight to
anyone running an XL Gus, but I think even with 2.5 - 2.8 tires, they look
small and disproportional on the XL size because everything is so spread
out. Maybe fitted with some fenders to take up some of the room it could
look better, but I just find it a bit odd-looking and I would say the same
for all the long wheelbase Riv models and skinny(er) tires. All that extra
space just begs for fat rubber, IMO. I know it probably comes across as
superficial and picky, but I'm a stickler for function and the form of
proportion when it comes to bikes.

On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:36 PM Jacob Byard  wrote:

> Thanks for all the replies. It has given me some new things to consider.
>
> @Mark C- I'm tall enough to ride the largest frame in either the Platy or
> Gus. Then reach comes into play. Right now I'm using a 120mm stem on a
> large Surly Bridge Club and could probably stand a 130mm or even a 140mm.
> I've also got an Ibis hardtail in an XL size. With the sloping top tube I
> clear the stand over and I'm able to use a short 60mm stem for a very
> comfortable reach. The high bottom bracket doesn't bother me and in my
> local area it's a plus. All the trails here are very rocky so the extra
> height is welcomed. The Ibis would be the bike normally ride on those
> trails but at times I do pick the wrong bike.
>
> @Brian- I've used Billie bars on my Long Haul Trucker and found them
> comfortable but they made me so upright that I never got out of the wind
> and it felt like my pedaling changed to a less efficient position. I had
> Doom Bars make me a copy of the Uncle Ron's Ortho bars and put them on my
> Crust Lighting Bolt and ran into the same problem. True those bikes are not
> designed around a hugely sweptback bar so the Gus/ Platy would be better
> suited. I like the width and angle of the Jones bar or even the Crust Juan
> Martin bar. Those are probably my first choice. I don't think I'd be as
> upright with either.
>
> I can't imagine any bike being more overbuilt than my Bridge Club. I've
> loaded that thing down with full racks/ panniers with zero flex. I'm heavy
> and have never managed to get disc rub. Have to say it's a well built bike.
> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 11:40:57 AM UTC-5 Mark C wrote:
>
>> The Platypus sounds perfect for you. I got the Rosco Platypus with the
>> same geometry and am amazed at how versatile it is. It is turning into my
>> favorite mountain bike, and for everything else too. Yes, the "top tube" is
>> shorter than the Gus, but far longer than most bikes. I was surprised that
>> I needed about a 110 stem extension, but that is with Bosco bars; you
>> should be able to use about anything on a Platypus with the right stem, at
>> least if you don't buy too small a size.
>>
>> The other big thing is bottom bracket height (drop). You don't need the
>> higher bottom bracket, and I certainly prefer the lower one. If you do
>> still want the longer reach and longer wheelbase, it would be worth
>> conidering the Clem too.
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 10:00:30 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This will be interesting to watch. I’ve not ridden either but; Platy is
>>> prettier (lugs), a true step through (bonus!), maybe a bit lighter, in
>>> stock, less $$ & on paper more “roadish”. But, extra long wheelbase of
>>> Gus/Suzie might give an even smoother ride, along with bigger rubber. I
>>> assume the bottom bracket is lower on the Platy - again more roadish. Can’t
>>> go wrong…
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2022, at 8:55 AM, Jacob Byard  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly a
>>> Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but something or
>>> other always came up.
>>>
>>> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on paved
>>> country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the unpaved stuff
>>> is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride but any bike
>>> with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 mile ride.
>>>
>>> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in town
>>> rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo riding
>>> usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry.
>>>
>>> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I know the
>>> Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit better. I'm not a
>>> fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke in a fall last
>>> year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is wonderful).
>>>
>>> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the road
>>> as the Platypus?
>>>
>>> Thank

Re: [RBW] Re: Coroplast season!

2022-11-13 Thread Brian Turner

He means those ever-present eyesores, the political yard sign.On Nov 13, 2022, at 10:03 PM, Michael Baquerizo  wrote:what is coroplast season? i have a sackville bag i purchased without coroplast and i'd love to find some to fill it in. On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 5:11:56 PM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:Hello folks. Looks like coroplast season is apron us. Anyone got any projects/crafts planned for these? I picked up some discarded ones this past week. Plan on using it on a small duffle that I had straps added to make into a handlebar bag as a shaper. Reginald "Repurposer" Alexis



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Re: [RBW] Sharing Your Fall Foliage Fotos 2022

2022-11-15 Thread Brian Turner

It was my birthday yesterday, so my wife and I took the day off and did 
some riding along the Little Miami Trail in SW Ohio. The Fall colors are 
definitely getting harder to find here.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NzxSHeQuZgNPAToU9

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 12:13:48 AM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> [image: IMG_9629.jpeg]
> A little frosty in the Flathead River Valley, BC.
>
> And some beautiful foliage on the Grey Creek Pass.
> [image: IMG_9844.jpeg]
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[RBW] saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-15 Thread Brian Turner

I wanted to post a bit about an experience I've had lately to see if anyone
else here can relate, or provide some insights into: to preface, I'm a
relatively new Riv owner, a longtime cyclist in his late 40's with no
previous history of back pain (knock on wood), and someone who has always
ridden saddles at a level angle, at or slightly above bar height.

As most of us on here do, I enjoy looking at photos of different setups for
all the many different Riv bikes produced over the years. One thing I've
noticed about a lot of folks' setup - especially the ones that are more
upright, and especially the newer models that are stretched out and upright
(Clem, Platy, Gus/Susie, Joe, etc.) - is that many riders tend to tilt
their saddles nose-up slightly, and some at rather pronounced angles. I
recall reading some posts recently published by Rivendell that essentially
recommend positioning the saddle this way on these types of bikes.

So, after getting my Gus built up back in the beginning of October, I took
the recommendation to heart, bolstered in part by all the evidence of many,
many photos showing owners enjoying their saddles set up this way. I tilted
the nose up at an angle that seemed appropriate, set my saddle height, and
off I went. It felt ok, but I always felt like I was sliding down the
backside of the saddle, and my body did feel like it was trying to get used
to the upright position of the bike. Since then, I've been riding my Gus a
lot. Many different types of terrain and varying distances. It's a joy to
ride of course, and has been extremely comfortable otherwise from the
get-go. i love it.

However, something else started coinciding with my time on Gus; a nagging
lower back ache that seemed to be at its worse following a ride, and
continuing for a day or two afterwards. I recently took 5 days off the bike
and experienced no back pain during that time. It was then that I started
to wonder if it was all related to the saddle angle. This past week, I
started experimenting with setting my saddle up the same way it is on all
my other bikes. The only difference with this bike is that the bars are
much higher in relation to the saddle on my other bikes. After a couple of
days riding with the newly level saddle (including a 30 mi ride yesterday),
I'm experiencing no back pain like I was before. Maybe it's too early to
count out coincidence, but something tells me it's not.

So this leads me to question the whole upwards tilt thing as it relates to
these types of Riv models and how folks ride them. I know everyone is
different, and there's always going to be those who prefer upward tilts,
downward tilts, extreme fore / aft, etc. but what exactly is it,
physiologically speaking, that skews towards the preference for the upward
saddle tilt for an upright riding position? I'm certainly no expert on bike
fit, but is there a logical justification for it, other than just personal
preference? Has anyone else here had a similar experience? I'm going to
keep it this way for a while to see if my hunch continues to bear fruit -
fingers crossed.

Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-15 Thread Brian Turner

Welcome to the Gus / Susie gang! Looking forward to seeing yours built up,
and hearing your thoughts on how you like it!

On Tue, Nov 15, 2022 at 6:00 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:

> Sounds great! You will not be disappointed!
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:45:00 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Awesome!!! Which color is your Gus, Jacob? Very much looking forward to
>> seeing it built up. What sorta gearing you have in mind?
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 2:41:13 PM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the replies. I ended up going with a Gus. C&L Cycles out
>>> of Montreal had a frame in stock. I've been eyeing parts for the build all
>>> day. My parts stash is pretty full so hopefully things will come together
>>> quickly on the build. Thanks again for the help!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:30:00 AM UTC-5 Mark Schneider wrote:
>>>
 Country roads, sounds like the Platypus would be perfect. The Gus/Susie
 really is nice for washboard, and rough off-road rides, but rides great on
 the roads too. I have a large Susie, and I'm running Rene Herse tires, and
 I'm impressed with the responsiveness. It's very plush! Kind of wish I'd
 gotten the Gus, just because I've packed on some weight and there's a small
 drop-off I occasionally find myself going over.

 On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 7:44:14 AM UTC-8 saxt...@gmail.com
 wrote:

>
> Thanks I’ll stop hijacking this thread and ask for more advice on a
> separate one.
> On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 8:38:48 AM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> I’m running Albatross currently  it works well but I am looking for
>> something with a little less rise and sweep. I may have to just bend my
>> Albatross out a little and call it good.
>>
>> The bike itself is awesome. Coming from a Clem, which was too heavy
>> duty for me, this bike feels more springy and lively. Rides fast on the
>> road and tackles dirt roads and singletrack with ease.
>>
>> One knock I have is the fork feels a little stiff. I guess for
>> heavier front loads. But I wish it were a little more compliant. Other 
>> than
>> that, it’s a great bike.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 3:19:22 PM UTC-7 saxt...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What bars are you running on the Romanceur?  I was about to start a
>>> similar thread looking for advice and one of my shortlist choices was 
>>> the
>>> Romanceur..so curious about your set up.
>>> On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 8:32:37 PM UTC-5 Hoch in ut wrote:
>>>
 I’d agree Gus is not the right bike. Neither is a Clem. Riv rates
 them the same, as far as durability.

 There’s been some good suggestions already.

 I’d offer a non-Riv option: Crust Romanceur. Light, lugged frame.
 853 steel. 650b x 2.4” clearance. In my opinion, perfect for the ride 
 that
 you describe. Mine rides light and springy (mine is the canti version).

 On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 6:55:02 AM UTC-7
 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got the new bike itch and have shortlisted a Gus or possibly
> a Platypus. The Gus has called to me for a couple of years but 
> something or
> other always came up.
>
> The purpose of the new bike would be mostly to ride 25-35 miles on
> paved country roads. I live in central Pennsylvania and most of the 
> unpaved
> stuff is rougher than I care to ride. There's trails that I do ride 
> but any
> bike with 45mm tires can handle that. Once a month I'll do a 50-60 
> mile
> ride.
>
> I do C level group rides but nothing over 12-13 mph. Frequent in
> town rides to get food/ coffee. Maybe some overnight camping. My solo
> riding usually sits around 11 mph unless I'm in a hurry.
>
> My torso and arms are long so reach has always been an issue. I
> know the Gus has a long toptube and I think the fit would be a bit 
> better.
> I'm not a fan of super upright positioning. My hand/ wrist got broke 
> in a
> fall last year so I like bars with lots of sweep (Jones Loop is 
> wonderful).
>
> Gearing and tires being equal would the Gus perform as well on the
> road as the Platypus?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacob
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Re: [RBW] saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-15 Thread Brian Turner

I should mention, I’m normally a leather saddle guy. I have a variety of Brooks and Berthoud saddles; one Brooks being about 15 years old and has a distinct broken-in sag to it, but the saddle itself is still “level”.The saddle on my Gus is a Cambium, which may factor into it. It’s not my first Cambium, but the first I’ve tried running with a slight upward angle. Perhaps one of my seasoned leather saddles would’ve been a better choice from the start?On Nov 15, 2022, at 9:05 PM, Bill Schairer wrote:I always thought I tilted my Brooks saddles up just a bit. They look tilted. But then I put a level on them out of curiosity and they were all actually level. Point being, maybe all those saddles that appear to be tilted up in the pictures aren't actually? Maybe that banana sway creates a bit of an optical illusion?Bill SSan DiegoOn Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:49:16 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I was a big doubter of Brooks saddles in general & the nose up thing in particular. But, after fitting a B17 I quite liked it. Except I kept sliding forward - and onto the narrow, uncomfortable part of the saddle. So I started adjusting it nose up in very small increments. I think I have it at just the right amount of tilt as I stay planted on the widest part of the saddle. I now do not slide forward or backward & have zero pressure. Of possible note I am very upright with the Bosco grips 2”-3” above the saddle. The whole thing goes against everything my 50 years of cycling taught me. Also, I had lower back surgery (microdiskectomy) three years ago and my back always improves with a bike ride.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 15, 2022, at 6:05 PM, Brian Turner <brok...@gmail.com> wrote:I wanted to post a bit about an experience I've had lately to see if anyone else here can relate, or provide some insights into: to preface, I'm a relatively new Riv owner, a longtime cyclist in his late 40's with no previous history of back pain (knock on wood), and someone who has always ridden saddles at a level angle, at or slightly above bar height.As most of us on here do, I enjoy looking at photos of different setups for all the many different Riv bikes produced over the years. One thing I've noticed about a lot of folks' setup - especially the ones that are more upright, and especially the newer models that are stretched out and upright (Clem, Platy, Gus/Susie, Joe, etc.) - is that many riders tend to tilt their saddles nose-up slightly, and some at rather pronounced angles. I recall reading some posts recently published by Rivendell that essentially recommend positioning the saddle this way on these types of bikes.So, after getting my Gus built up back in the beginning of October, I took the recommendation to heart, bolstered in part by all the evidence of many, many photos showing owners enjoying their saddles set up this way. I tilted the nose up at an angle that seemed appropriate, set my saddle height, and off I went. It felt ok, but I always felt like I was sliding down the backside of the saddle, and my body did feel like it was trying to get used to the upright position of the bike. Since then, I've been riding my Gus a lot. Many different types of terrain and varying distances. It's a joy to ride of course, and has been extremely comfortable otherwise from the get-go. i love it.However, something else started coinciding with my time on Gus; a nagging lower back ache that seemed to be at its worse following a ride, and continuing for a day or two afterwards. I recently took 5 days off the bike and experienced no back pain during that time. It was then that I started to wonder if it was all related to the saddle angle. This past week, I started experimenting with setting my saddle up the same way it is on all my other bikes. The only difference with this bike is that the bars are much higher in relation to the saddle on my other bikes. After a couple of days riding with the newly level saddle (including a 30 mi ride yesterday), I'm experiencing no back pain like I was before. Maybe it's too early to count out coincidence, but something tells me it's not.So this leads me to question the whole upwards tilt thing as it relates to these types of Riv models and how folks ride them. I know everyone is different, and there's always going to be those who prefer upward tilts, downward tilts, extreme fore / aft, etc. but what exactly is it, physiologically speaking, that skews towards the preference for the upward saddle tilt for an upright riding position? I'm certainly no expert on bike fit, but is there a logical justification for it, other than just personal preference? Has anyone else here had a similar experience? I'm going to keep it this way for a while to see if my hunch continues to bear fruit - fingers crossed.

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[RBW] Re: saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-16 Thread Brian Turner

I suppose I didn't expect the rubber Brooks Cambium vs. a leather Brooks 
(or other similar brand leather saddle) could be making the difference 
here, but that's a good point. Personally, I prefer leather, but I don't 
see a lot of difference in the pliability and cush of the rubber in the 
Cambium saddles vs. leather. The biggest thing I can think of is the 
ability of the leather to conform over time, whereas the Cambiums just kind 
of spring back into their usual shape when you're not riding them. I'm 
running a carved version on my Gus (although I also have a standard 
Cambium). I feel like the carved version has a bit more give because of the 
cut-out.

Thanks everyone for the input! That's what I get for going against my 
instincts and my experience with saddles. I blindly read some posts from 
Rivendell that said "set your bike up THIS way" and took that as gospel 
along with all the photos I had been seeing of similar setups - without 
starting from a familiar point first, then adjusting from there. To further 
this experiment, I'm going to put one of my leather saddles on and level it 
up, then see if it feels like it needs any adjustment. I've only been 
riding the Cambium, so it may make a difference.

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 9:49:45 AM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 5:05:37 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So this leads me to question the whole upwards tilt thing as it relates 
>> to these types of Riv models and how folks ride them. I know everyone is 
>> different, and there's always going to be those who prefer upward tilts, 
>> downward tilts, extreme fore / aft, etc. but what exactly is it, 
>> physiologically speaking, that skews towards the preference for the upward 
>> saddle tilt for an upright riding position? 
>>
>
> As you say, everyone is different. I have a couple of compression 
> fractures, T8 and T12, and a history of some low back pain. My experience 
> has been 1) I very much prefer saddles with a dip from the nose to the 
> tail, though I wouldn't describe it as a banana curve; 2) the more upright 
> the riding position, the more I want the nose tilted upward; 3) if it feels 
> like you are constantly having to push yourself back on the saddle, tilt 
> the nose up a bit; 4) a little change makes a big difference; 5) pelvic 
> angle is really important, and saddle height, saddle fore-aft, and 
> handlebar distance are all tightly connected with saddle tilt to define the 
> comfort and efficiency of your position; 6) core strength is hugely 
> important; and 7) the right fit is very dependent on how much power you are 
> generating while riding. When it's set up correctly, I feel better on the 
> bike than I do off the bike.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: saddle angle and lower back pain

2022-11-16 Thread Brian Turner

You're right... a bit more rail length on the Cambiums as the Brooks rails 
are notoriously short. This, along with the thickness of the leather, is 
one of the reasons why I really love the Berthoud saddles, but I still have 
a few B17 Specials that fit me like an old baseball glove, and I would 
never part with them.

The angle of your C17 in the photo of your Clementine was basically the 
same kind of angle I was running on my Cambium when I was experiencing the 
back pain.

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 3:50:35 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I cant remember, but i *THINK* the cambium has more rail real estate for 
> fore and aft than the B17 design as well - for the most part I just slam 
> the B17 back fairly nosed up. I dont think I have my C17 all the way back - 
> tilted up a few degrees from level. It works well for me. Also a thing of 
> to note is the leather flexes a bit when you sit, the cambium doesn't 
> really. 
>
> [image: PXL_20220927_221742495.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 12:38:19 PM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:20:50 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I suppose I didn't expect the rubber Brooks Cambium vs. a leather Brooks 
>>> (or other similar brand leather saddle) could be making the difference 
>>> here, but that's a good point. 
>>>
>>
>> I would expect a difference between Cambium and leather. The Cambium has 
>> a different shape, with none of the drop that the leather Brooks saddles 
>> have. On a Brooks B17 (or other leather) saddle, even with a moderate 
>> amount of nose-up tillt, the rear of the saddle is still level or even 
>> angled down-forward. On a Cambium, any nose-up tilt also has the rear of 
>> the saddle tilted up.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Granola-Moose Bar?

2022-11-19 Thread Brian Turner

I think the bends in these look a bit awkward, TBH. On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:True enough. But at the end of the day I preferred my regular Bosco / FacePlater combo.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 19, 2022, at 10:03 AM, lconley  wrote:The wonderful thing about steel, is that it can be bent, within reason, with a little "persuasion". Not as easily as loosening a clamp, but it can be done, and once set it never slips. All you need is a good vice, some wood to protect the finish, a long lever, and the serenity to accept that you might screw things up.LaingWho has broken a lot of things over the yearsOn Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:My exact experience also. I really wanted to like my Boscomoose. But the fixed angle did not work for me. That VO bar is pretty though…Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 18, 2022, at 7:11 PM, Conway Bennett  wrote:I like the idea of moose bars but I don't like it them in practice.  I like my wrists in a neutral position, and with a moose bar that is not a given.  Plus, once you realize this, they are relatively expensive to ship to a new owner.On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:53:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:This is extremely subjective and it matters a lot what the headtube angle is on the frame the bar is going on, but I had a ChocoMoose for a while (Cheviot? I think it was on a Cheviot) and the angle seemed fine to me. If it matters at all to you the Granola-Moose has a lot more flare/splaying-out than Choco. Joe Bernard On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:34:44 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:I got an email from VO today introducing a new product - the "Granola-Moose Bar."  Now, VO has always seemed to me to keep in semi-lock step with Riv and in this case I'd call it a variant of the Nitto Choco-Moose bar that they (used to?) sell.  The three differences I notice (maybe 3 1/2) are: the VO offering is in 1 1/8" threadless instead of a welded-in quill stem, it has a "cross bar" between the two curved handles with a slightly flattened section to allow for the mounting of lights, etc., it's available in both black and chrome, oh and it's about 2/3 the price that the Riv/Nitto version is/was.Laying all of that aside for the moment, what opinion do any of you all have about the Nitto bar that Riv offered if you have one?  I'm thinking of buying one of the VO versions to replace the "cow horn" bar that I currently have installed on my Surly 1x1 because 1) it has a threadless steerer and the Nitto won't/wouldn't work and 2) it comes in a black version and everything else on my headset, current threadless stem, and bars is black and I'd like to keep it that way.  BUT, and this is an item that I'd really like some feedback about, both of these bars, i.e. from either company, have a fixed, unadjustable angle because they're welded to the stem (or threadless clamp).  Has that lack of adjustment bar angle capability been a problem for any of the Choco-Moose users out there?



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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

2022-11-20 Thread Brian Turner

Excellent ride report, as always Eric! I appreciate the little details you 
choose to include. As a fellow swoopy hillibike rider, I am curious a bit 
about your companion’s setup on his Susie and his experience. Maybe you can 
convince him to share his perspective too. It would be really cool to have 
two different perspectives and setups from the same ride!

I am right there with you on the aversion to drinking from plastic these 
days. Something has changed with me these past few years where I have 
started phasing out all my plastic drinking containers because when I use 
them, I seem to strongly taste the plastic and it really turns me off. I 
don’t think it is related to COVID or anything because to my knowledge I 
still have not been infected by it. But something has definitely changed, 
and as a result I’ve switched to all-stainless or titanium drinking 
vessels. The only pass I give is to my trusty Aeropress, because the coffee 
it makes is just too damn good!

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:52:52 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Eric, thanks for the report. It was nicely structured and written with 
> such gentle thoughtfulness. Thanks also for sharing your packing list in so 
> much detail. I wonder if there have ever been recipe exchange threads on 
> this forum: what to prepare to eat when you’re taking a ride on your 
> Rivendell :) The scones and soup sounded delicious! Your report inspired a 
> strong urge to ride. 
>
> Jim
>
> On Nov 19, 2022, at 21:24, MoVelo  wrote:
>
> Excellent report. Thanks for sharing with us what sounds like an epic 
> adventure.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 3:15:59 PM UTC-6 alancrai...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Great report. Sounds like a fantastic ride and near perfect 
>> accommodations for a rustic overnighter. Thanks for sharing! 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:44:49 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, brizbarn. Overpacking is my strong suit regardless of where I'm 
>>> going or for how long! 
>>>
>>> I haven't been tested in a laboratory setting but I think I'm sweat at 
>>> an unusually high rate. Has always been true of me. I was definitely quite 
>>> thirsty at the end of the day and would have preferred to drink even more 
>>> water as the cabin dried out from the woodstove. I have some sport tops but 
>>> another personal sensory thing for me is drinking over plastic, I don't 
>>> like it for hot or cold drinks and I prefer a metal edge. I didn't mind 
>>> stopping a few times to swig some water while riding. 
>>>
>>> I do wonder if maybe I was over dressed but I didn't feel like I was 
>>> burning up, just sweating like mad. I might have liked a lighter sweater, 
>>> something like the Wooly Warm jerseys but without the weird cut, fit and 
>>> pockets (they're great, they just don't fit me right). 
>>>
>>> The camp pillow is great. Could be a deal breaker for some due to weight 
>>> but it compresses pretty well and it's very comfy, doesn't flatten out like 
>>> some. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading, Jake! And watching too!
>>>
>>>
>>> I appreciate it Roberta, that's quite kind of you to say!
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1:31:50 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>>>
 It's always easy to overpack, or at least feel like you did when you're 
 pedaling up a hill.  I wouldn't say your pack list is overly excessive 
 tho, 
 it looks like everything fit in your bags just fine, which is a plus.  I'm 
 tend to overflow my bags which are slightly smaller than yours on 
 overnighters, but I'm usually glad I have everything that I packed.  On a 
 recent overnighter I took a thicker, better R-value sleeping pad and that 
 helped me sleep much better.  I also tried not to over-hydrate, which in 
 the past I think I did often, especially later in the day.  This time 
 paying attention to when I was actually thirsty, not just drinking a lot 
 to 
 "stay hydrated".  This NPR Life Kit 
 busts some water drinking 
 myths and was helpful for me.   A "sport top" on your Kleen Kanteen may be 
 helpful for sipping while riding, and maybe a bottom downtube bottle cage 
 to get some water weight lower down.  I ride with a front rando bag on my 
 bike most of the time, which maybe acclimates me to having some weight up 
 front on trips.  Being soaked in sweat on a cold day is never fun either, 
 maybe too much wool while climbing?  Glad you were able to get comfy with 
 the fire tho.  I might need to check out that camp pillow before next 
 season.  Makes me want to try a cold weather trip! 

 On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you Stephen, Ryan and Keith. 
>
> It's my first trip, lots to learn and even un-learn! I'm glad we stuck 
> it out for the weather. Will be all the better earlier in the season. But 
> here in Virginia we c

Re: [RBW] Dynamo Wiring inside the Fork and Frame?

2022-11-21 Thread Brian Turner

I wired my Sinewave through the fork blade on my Crust Bombora, and it was 
probably one of the most frustrating tinkering projects I’ve ever attempted 
with any of my bikes. I almost gave up numerous times, and I actually had 
to do it all over again once I had successfully completed the routing. Most 
of the Crust frames have that cool little routing hole on the backside of 
the upper right fork blade… which just begs for you to use it as such. The 
problem is, in order to take advantage of it, you still have to use that 
little hole down near the dropout as an entry / exit point. No matter what, 
you’re essentially fishing wiring cable through a hole that is maybe only 
1mm wider than the thickness of the cable housing itself, and at a very 
sharp, awkward angle. No doubt the situation you’re faced with now.

I stripped the wiring to where only one of the two inside wires was exposed 
and made sure the cuts were as clean as possible. Once that was fed down to 
the dropout hole, I managed to snag that (now thinner profile) wire with 
some very, very thin tweezers and pulled the whole cable through. Before I 
found the right set of tweezers to use, I had tried various methods like 
using an old spoke, a guiding wire, etc. None of those worked for me.

I don’t have any sure fire advice, unfortunately, but I feel your pain!

On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 11:04:35 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Interesting. My Pashley (gone to a new home several years ago) had two 
> brazed-in mounting points on the fork to which a piece was fitted that 
> accepted a standard bottle generator. The setup is shown in the attached 
> image.
>
> It worked quite well, without the need to run wiring very far at all—just 
> a short distance from the generator to the light.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com[image: IMG_0554.jpeg]
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Nov 21, 2022, at 4:59 AM, lconley  wrote:
>
> My Pashley Guv'nor came with an enlarged hole on the right side bottom of 
> the fork and a slit grommet in a hole on the top of the fork even though it 
> didn't come with a generator - I rectified that with a  Sturmey-Archer 90mm 
> Drum Brake Dynohub. My former Trek Belleville had internal wiring in the 
> fork & frame and the front rack had a separate set of tubes for the light 
> wiring.  I love internally routed electrical wires. Go for it.
>
> Laing
>
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 2:57:42 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> I’ve been tempted to do the same thing. I’ve decided to instead purchase 
>> a Pass & Stow rack which allows for internal routing.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 20, 2022 at 11:19:55 PM UTC-8 jmlmu...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve done it a few times and used a Dremmel to enlarge the hole near the 
>>> dropout. No matter how much I tried to run the wire without enlarging the 
>>> hole, I failed. I ended up soldering the “fishing” wire to the cable and 
>>> pulling it from bottom to top.Took me losing the cable several times mid 
>>> fork and having to re-fish to come up with that method. Learn from my hours 
>>> of mistakes! Literally hours. 
>>>
>>> Joe in Los Angeles 
>>>
>>> > On Nov 20, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Matthew Williams <
>>> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> > 
>>> > Hi everyone, 
>>> > 
>>> > Most bikes I see with the SON dynamo have the wire wound around the 
>>> right front fork blade. I want to run the wire inside the fork using the 
>>> small hole near the dropout. 
>>> > 
>>> > I’ve already fished a thin wire through the fork as a leader i.e. I 
>>> can attach the leader to the SON dynamo wire and pull it through the fork, 
>>> unless the dynamo wire is too thick. Below are photos of the leader wire I 
>>> fished through the fork. 
>>> > 
>>> > Is this possible, or is it a bad idea? Has anyone here managed to 
>>> achieve this setup? If so, how did you do it, and please post photos of 
>>> your internal wiring setups! 
>>> > 
>>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is a Gus the right choice for me? Would a Platypus be better?

2022-11-22 Thread Brian Turner

I too have the widest Toscos (with the 38.1 clamp dia) on my Gus. They’re super comfortable and give you lots of control for rough terrain. I feel like these bars were tailor made for Gus / Susie.On Nov 22, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Ryan Frahm wrote:Oh, and just a note on bars, I swapped the Bosco for a 60cm Tosco and what a great swap it was. The front position didn’t work for me and the Bosco was just too high. Highly recommend the Tosco if you try some swept back bars! My first ride with them was 30 miles of pure comfort. On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:57:08 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:I have also seen (on here) that you can have the seat tube reamed to fit 27.2. I’d probably be okay with it on the Gus but wouldn’t likely chance it on my Susie with thinner tubes. On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 7:33:20 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:Scott, I have an extra Jones loop on hand. Thanks for the offer though! I put a Simworks Fun bar (I think that’s the name) on for the moment. I plan to try out a few different bars. Ryan, I’ve got a really nice Simworks Nitto 27.2 post that I don’t have bike for. I think once I get the 26.8 post in and sized up I’ll sand a bit off the Nitto and use it. It’s got a cool finish so I don’t want to remove too much. Paul levers and Motolites are going on tonight. I pulled them off my Trucker. I’m using a Ritchey triple but a White Industry double would be nice. Gotta get some cash save up. Cheers! Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 22, 2022, at 10:00 AM, greenteadrinkers wrote:Jacob - If you are interested I have a really clean Jones Loop I pulled off an Analog build that I'm interested in selling.Best,ScottOn Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 9:55:23 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:Exciting, I can’t wait to see it built up! I definitely double and probably triple checked on seatpost sizing. A 27.2 would have been really cool but I don’t find any need for my old titanium post on the Susie, it rides smoother than anything. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the Gus! I have been feeling like I should have gone that way so I could load it up and never feel worried but I just love my quill stem! Will has assured me I don’t need to be worried at all with my 175lbs and a 30 or so camp load. I’m getting more comfortable feeling like she’s not fragile but…Just a note, AVT bike is having a site wide sale up to 25% off. Tough to beat on Paul or White industries parts!On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 5:00:57 AM UTC-8 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:The frame safely arrived yesterday. It’s huge. The color is beautiful. I would have picked orange had the choice been available but now I’m happy with mermaid. The fork is on and the bottom bracket is in. I had forgotten how easy 9 speed cassettes install. 12 speed is such a pain. Tonight I want to get on the brakes and size up the chain. I’m still waiting on both derailleurs, tires, valve stems and a seatpost. I mistakenly bought a 28.6mm post instead of a 26.8mm. Hopefully everything shows up soon or I’ll start pulling parts from other bikes to get this on the road. I can not believe how big it is. That steerer tube was so long but then the head tube swallowed it up. I can’t wait to ride it. -JacobSent from my iPhoneOn Nov 16, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Mackenzy Albright wrote:I wish I had tried flat bars (or nitto wavies) on the romanceur before I sold it. I did appreciate it's slow speed maneuverability, especially while climbing. it may have been a good compromise to drop bars vs swept backs! Maybe it would have mitigated some of the front wheel lifting off bumps in really low gearing climbs. That being said I ran my romancer with 26" wheels and racing ralph 2.1's and felt like I was constantly getting pedal strike. 650 was better, but I felt it lost some of the spryness I loved so much. I am going to get a custom made based off the romancer with a few tweaks. It was a memorable bike and very much enjoyed my time with it. But agreed bikes are so much subjective! haha the clem does love a decent! I also feel like the clementine was quite a bit shorter than the JR. It's really a shame they didn't keep the original clementine on the roster, I think it's a really swell feeling bike. On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:20:18 PM UTC-8 Hoch in ut wrote:Apparently, this is all subjective, because I felt just the opposite! 🙂 The Clem was so long, much longer than what I’d been used to mountain biking for 30+ years. The trails here are fairly chunky, and maneuvering around rocks and/or high-centering became issues. I thought I’d adapt, but never could. The Romeo (with flat bars) handled razor sharp and I could weave around and over all obstacles without the fear of pedal strikes or getting hung up. We’ve got some steep climbs here and I never had a problem with the front end wandering. I just felt “at home” with it in just about every aspect. One thing the Clem absolutely destroys the Romeo and other bikes is straight line descen

Re: [RBW] Re: What frame protection tape do you use with long term success ?

2022-12-01 Thread Brian Turner

2nd vote here for the ISC helicopter tape. I’ve used it on my bikepacking rigs for years. It goes on very easily (I apply it “wet” as per the instructions). The best part is that it does not leave any adhesive residue.On Dec 1, 2022, at 1:32 AM, Ed Carolipio wrote:I use the ISC Surface Protection ("Helicopter") tape. Good flexibility and adhesiveness but peels off easily and doesn't leave a residue. I can't comment on it being weathered but it stays flexible for years, doesn't come off, and doesn't yellow with age. I just buy a 1" wide roll and it lasts forever. http://www.racerstape.com/rtp.html--Ed C.On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:09:29 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:I am considering buying some clear frame protection tape to protect my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" while it is relatively still new. I did some homework. The brand names that I came up with are:*RideWrap kit*invisiFRAME *Lizard Skins Clear Protective frame kit*3M™ Polyurethane Protective Tape 8671*3M Clear Paint Surface Protection Vinyl Film *Effetto Mariposa Shelter Protective TapeI am wondering what tape have you used that has weathered exceedingly very well over a very long time from road beausage ?Kim HetzelYelm, WA.

[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillbornes

2022-12-01 Thread Brian Turner

I really want one of these, because the lime olive is so gorgeous, but I 
don't think I'll be able to fund another Rivendell so soon after building 
up my Gus just a couple months ago.
I might try to pick up a used dark gold Sam sometime in the next year or 
so, or maybe if someone is selling one from this batch.

Anyone want to take any bets on whether or not they've made any changes to 
the geometry and sizes available?

-Brian

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 11:29:16 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm not getting a new Sam, as I've already got one, but these colors look 
> great. I scraped the images from the instagram post 
> 
>  
> Will linked in his last email from House of the Rising Sun in Jakarta. 
>
> [image: sam limeolive.jpg]
>
> [image: samsilver.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 10:04:00 AM UTC-5 jak...@me.com wrote:
>
>> Anxiously awaiting the new Sams to land on our shores and am obsessing 
>> over the potential build.  Perusing these pages with all of your 
>> experiences have really helped.  I thought the lime olive was for me until 
>> I saw the early photos of the HiHo Silver.  Smitten.
>>
>> Anyone going in on these?  I feel like I am on baby watch!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset compatibility

2022-12-02 Thread Brian Turner

I’m a big fan of the White Ind external BBs. I have one on my Gus. Solidly built, MUSA, pretty colors and all that.On Dec 2, 2022, at 7:24 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:The Gus/Susie is a 73mm BB shell, so just one spacer on the drive side is needed. On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 2:40:03 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:You'll need a set of external BB cups for a 30mm spindle, and a couple of 2.5mm spacers to go under the cups, given that your frame has a 68mm rather than 73mm BB shell. And if it hasn't already been done, it's definitely worth getting the BB shell chased and faced to ensure that the cups are coaxial and parallel when installed.Nick



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Re: [RBW] Re: How you choose 2 Rivendells?

2022-12-07 Thread Brian Turner

There’s some real chestnuts in that issue. Oddly enough, it’s one of the 
very few physical issues I still own. You get a primer on the term 
“beausage”, an in-depth interview with Gilles Bertoud, more than you ever 
wanted to know about Salukis, and an introduction to the esteemed Mark’s 
rack. I actually purchased one of those little Tivoli radios back then 
because of the review that was mentioned in this issue!

-Brian

On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 1:01:53 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Scott,
> "Atlantis 2" on Rivendell's model is because Bridgestone had an "Atlantis" 
> model, designed by Hiro Watanabe. 
>
> You can read about it in RR35 available here: 
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/
>
> Thanks
> Shoji
> Arlington MA
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 12:19:56 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>
>> Affectionately acknowledged, Max. Ride on...
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 10:15:44 AM MST, reynoldslugs <
>> be...@perrylaw.net> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Scott et al - 
>>
>> correction - sorry, the saddle on the Atlantis is an SMP Avant:
>>
>>
>> https://www.performancebike.com/selle-smp-avant-saddle-black-aisi-304-rails-154mm-zstrikeamne/p1262159?v=531971&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkMGcBhCSARIsAIW6d0C4B_hvbJZzbo7h6LftzDSyVysuuUTlKKqOM_1-J5mYoAJjo7O4FOEaAta9EALw_wcB
>>
>> It doesn't look as nice as the Selle Anatomica, but I switched a number 
>> of bikes over to the SMP Avant split-seat in my post-cancer life.  (I don't 
>> usually mention that, but it's no big deal and I'm figuring a number of us 
>> have had to accomodate our bikes and components for all kinds of medical 
>> reasons as we get older.  E.g., cross levers for old arthritic neck, 
>> split-saddles for post-surgical comfort.)
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Max B
>> Santa Rosa
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:04:27 AM UTC-8 reynoldslugs wrote:
>>
>> Mon Cher Scott:
>>
>> That's my Atlantis, yes.  It's one of the originals, I think I bought it 
>> from Rivendell in 2003.  I am not sure if that makes it a Toyo or something 
>> else, but I guess Toyo.
>>
>> The saddle is a Selle Anatomica:
>>
>>  
>> https://selleanatomica.com/products/x1?currency=USD&variant=26447320072&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=Cj0KCQiAkMGcBhCSARIsAIW6d0DMPdR14gbzi7T9zEFYIZ9F08qIQgL-wwcThaZvwO5jRqNN3IPjFhgaAqUhEALw_wcB
>>
>> As for the cockpit, those are regular in-line Paul Cross levers on the 
>> handlebars:
>>
>> https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brake-levers/inline/cross-lever/
>>
>> My reasoning - i.e.,  the experience that led me to start putting  
>> in-line cross levers on my bikes comes from long rides with long 
>> downhills.   After six hours or so of riding, they provide a comfortable 
>> alternative to braking in the drops.  When I'm tired, I like to have 
>> hand-position options for the Pine Flat Rd  descent (3,000' descent), or 
>> one of the other hills around here.
>>
>> Best,
>> Max B
>> Santa Rosa CA
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 8:47:53 AM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>
>> Max:
>>
>> I've wiped the drool from my chin and have a few questions about the 
>> Atlantis, please. I assume it's yours.
>>
>> Is it a Toyo model (I don't get the Atlantis squared decal on downtube 
>> and the downtube shifter bosses)?
>>
>> What saddle is that?!
>>
>> Can you speak to and describe your cockpit and reasoning behind it, 
>> namely the multiple brake levers (is one a pass-through/slave)?
>>
>> Happy Holidays, all!
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 08:23:30 AM MST, reynoldslugs <
>> be...@perrylaw.net> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Well, I'd choose this:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157696979339224
>>
>> and that:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157645542691980
>>
>> Legolas - fast and fun, light.  Always makes me happy.
>> Atlantis - same but more rock solid.
>>
>> My favorite bike... is whichever one I'm riding at the moment.
>>
>> Happy Holidays everyone, stay safe
>> Max Beach
>> Santa Rosa CA
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:30:49 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Hey Masa!
>>
>> This is a cool companion to the occasional One Riv To Rule Them All 
>> threads we do around here. 
>>
>> I'm currently a one Riv (and one folding bike) person, my custom is a 
>> low-stepover kinda-pavement-oriented bike like your Platypus: It'll go just 
>> about anywhere but wasn't designed for hardcore off-road riding or full-on 
>> touring loads. I've done some shopping runs on it that I could feel in the 
>> frame was probably pushing my luck with how much weight I was carrying, so 
>> for me my second Riv would be heavier duty. I've also recently moved to an 
>> area with a bunch of fire roads and singletrack, and although my riding 
>> interests/capabilities would preclude major mountain biking escapades I'd 
>> still like to know my frame could take the abuse. 
>>
>> So I'd reach as far from my lightish roadish frame as possible, which 
>> takes me past the lugged frames a

Re: [RBW] If you convince Rivendell to bring back "one" former model

2022-12-09 Thread Brian Turner

I'm guessing they would need to call them something else if they made any
more Bombadils or Legolases. I'm still wondering how they are able to get
around still using "Sackville" if they've had to cease with the Tolkien
monikers.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:33 AM Jason Zakaras 
wrote:

> Another vote for the Bombadil.  Just to add content around a one off
> production from Riv, I spoke to the good folks at Rivendell a bit this year
> and they are not doing any customs or special orders currently, I wanted a
> 56cm Bombadil, they said maybe next year (like fall 2023) if at all.
> Perhaps others have a better tie in there, but for me, I'm stuck waiting
> and watching for someone to grace me with my favorite bike and LOTR name of
> all time.
>
>
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 8:59:37 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>
>>
>> Saluki as it started the 650b Rivendell excursion.  Also the Yves Gomez
>> as I never had a chance to get one.  The AR should get honorable mention.
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 3:46:58 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> The only one that fit me was the Bombadil, so the Bomba it would be. The
>>> parallel TT ones, but frankly it doesn't need it. It does make for a lift
>>> though, and being a straight gauge tube I can clamp it there to my Feedback
>>> workstand. I wouldn't pay more than $1700 for it though, not the over
>>> inflated 3k it ended up being when it went full diagonal extra tubes. All
>>> those extra tubes were unnecessary in real world riding though.
>>>
>>> This said, I'm pretty sure anyone can contact Grant about having a
>>> previous model made custom for not quite custom fee. It's not as if the
>>> blueprints, the form, vanishes. So there really is no need to bring back
>>> models as those models haven't gone anywhere. Consider them "off the menu"
>>> , formerly "on the menu" models.
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:59:08 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>>>
 Bombadil, no question.

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> hands down, a Legolas.. ideally a Taiwan-made frame to save a little
> coin..
>
> I just picked up a new-to-me Rambouillet, so I'm covered there for
> now.. :)
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:12:54 PM UTC-8 jackd...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> My Hunqapillar is the favorite in the stable, but I think a case can
>> really be made to bring back the Bleriot. Classic geometry, MIT (I 
>> believe)
>> to keep the price reasonable, and I'd argue that the decal
>>  is the best
>> Riv has done.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:55:32 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>>> legolas OR a more classically styled country bike with close to
>>> level top tube and shorter chain stays
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:16:03 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
 I vote long stay version of Glorious and Hunqapillar in CLEAR
 COAT...

 I hope Grant is listening

 On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 03:11:33 PM MST, Mackenzy Albright
  wrote:


 All these threads about "choosing the one Riv" or "how do I pick
 which model" got me thinking. If you could convince Rivendell to 
 resurrect
 one out of production modelwhich would you choose?

 After acquiring a Clementine after a new Clem Smith Jr, I see merit
 of the geometry of the Clementine as a standalone step through that 
 feels
 like a long wheelbase agile bike rather than a floaty surfboard. I
 absolutely adore both-but they're extraordinarily different, despite 
 being
 a natural and logical evolution. I really enjoyed the reference of the
 thread "a tale of two clems" by Ding Ding! as I found similarities in 
 my
 experience.

 The evolution of Rivendell's is absolutely fascinating to me as
 there has never been a hang up for changing tried and true models. 
 XO-1 -
 ALL Rounder - TOYO Atlantis - MUSA Atlantis - MIT Atlantis. People are
 still obsessive with each rendition of a concept over its evolution.


 SOoo long story short. I would choose the Hunqapillar. Hands down.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Gus!

2022-12-10 Thread Brian Turner

Congrats! Welcome to the Gus club!On Dec 10, 2022, at 11:30 AM, Kim Hetzel wrote:Congratulations Richard ! ... I am very happy for you. I can feel your elation and your happy dancing. I am glad that you are selling off your bikes and other goods to support your purchase. Looking forward to seeing your posts your progress questions and upgrades as you move forward with your new GUS frame set with pictures of course. Personally, I remain content with my Clem Smith Jr. "L" as my ATB and retirement bike. Honjo Smooth 74 fenders are next on the horizon next year for my last upgrade. Kim HetzelYelm, WA.On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 8:17:25 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me.

Re: [RBW] New Gus!

2022-12-10 Thread Brian Turner

On my Gus, I’m running a 1x drivetrain. I went with a White crankset and bottom bracket (BSA) and I’m using a Deore M5100 RD and matching 11-51 cassette. I originally installed a 32t ring up front, but last week I swapped it for a 34t to give me a little more on the high end.On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:12 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've got some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet myself. Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for a yummy Gus drivetrain. Did you score a complete bike or f/f?Merry, early, Christmas...Scott

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 09:17:31 AM MST, Richard Rose wrote:

Wow, what a few days. I love my Clem so much that I have been really craving a Susie as a dedicated singletrack bike. I just love the gold color. Alas, none to be found anywhere and none on the horizon. But, I found a Gus in my size and I quite like the mermaid so I bought it. Now I am selling stuff all over the place to justify it. My seldom ridden but fun as heck fatbike is gone and my full suspension bike will be gone soon as well. Never a dull moment and then - the frames appear on the Crust site. What the actual hell?! But its all good, no going back. Excited to get this Gus on the trail this spring. I may have a lot of questions drivetrain related. And brakes. As someone else said, Christmas came early for me.

Re: [RBW] New Gus!

2022-12-10 Thread Brian Turner

Scott, I’m running 1x11. It’s a real stump-puller. I was finding that I was pretty much running it on the smallest 2 cogs when just cruising around town, and I was wanting a bit more so that’s why I swapped the chainring. I don’t think I sacrificed too much on the low end in doing so, but I’ve yet to take it out on a trail since the swap.On Dec 10, 2022, at 2:08 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:Brian, how many speed cassette? I'm leaning 1x already. 11-51 is wide ratio, must be a 10 or 11?I have a 31-40 8 spd I want to trySent from Yahoo Mail on AndroidOn Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 12:04 PM, Brian Turner wrote: On my Gus, I’m running a 1x drivetrain. I went with a White crankset and bottom bracket (BSA) and I’m using a Deore M5100 RD and matching 11-51 cassette. I originally installed a 32t ring up front, but last week I swapped it for a 34t to give me a little more on the high end.On Dec 10, 2022, at 1:12 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Richard, I'm stoked for you! Congrats on your new-to-you Gus!Keep in touch, so we can compare notes on OUR upcoming Gus builds. I've got some ideas as to drivetrain options and haven't made a decision yet myself. Hoping to hear yours and other member's thoughts about a recipe for a yummy Gus drivetrain. Did you score a complete bike or f/f?Merry, early, Christmas...Scott

On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 09:17:31 AM MST, Richard Rose wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: The Bombadil on Ebay

2022-12-11 Thread Brian Turner

John Watson (Radavist, Pro’s Closet, etc) just posted what I assume is this same yellow Bombadil on his Instagram stories. Perhaps he’s the one who snagged it?john watson (@johnprolly) • Instagram photos and videosinstagram.comOn Dec 11, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Eric Marth wrote:@FoolishGold: Nice pics! That silver Bombadil needs to modifications! There was some nice Hunq/Bombi discourse on "Which Riv would you resurrect" thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and start a thread. On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:13:00 AM UTC-5 foolis...@gmail.com wrote:Wow, this has my silver Bombadil a tad envious. What a beautiful banana frame! Does anyone have more production details on the Bombadil? How many frames were made? Mine has always been a machine of lore to me.

[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

2022-12-11 Thread Brian Turner

Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but I though I might 
try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm sure many of us here are, I've 
long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't consider myself an expert... 
I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though!
I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell BW out of his 
appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain Works catalogs (no doubt a main 
inspiration for the Riv Readers and model catalogs / brochures). But then, 
he also has taken quite a few liberties with the Tolkien property names and 
references. Here's a short list of all the ones I can think of, but there 
may be others:

Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, where the 
Fellowship of the Ring is formed
Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo
Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in the Shire, the 
Sackville-Bagginses
Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps the Hobbits out 
of a tight spot along their journey. He may be the oldest being in Middle 
Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film adaptations, to the dismay of 
many fans.
Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship of the Ring
Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted Hobbits Merry 
and Pippin during the Ent Moot

Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here?

On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but the spelling is 
> different. Also, it might not be Indiana.
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
>> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn more about 
>> these two models. 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>>
>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about 
>>> these bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>>
>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>>> thread 
>>> ,
>>>  there's 
>>> some great info there. 
>>>
>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>>
>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>>
>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>>
>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up 
>>> here .
>>>
>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Nivex on a Rivendell?

2022-12-13 Thread Brian Turner

The price point + the added cost of having to modify a frame with the proprietary braze-on it needs to mount it would make this impractical beyond the derailleur cost alone for most folks.On Dec 13, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Eliot Balogh wrote:I think Grant said ~$170. Sensah offered to do them for $350 which he was adamantly against as he wanted them to be affordable and functional rather than something artistic that no one bought. On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:24 AM Shoji Takahashi wrote:I'd love to try it-- unfortunately an unlikely proposition for me.After seeing the RH price point, I'm scared to think what the Riv derailer will cost. shojiarlington maOn Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:I'm intrigued but consider all the bits needed to make it happen and one is probably looking at more like $1,500 and, besides that, most of those added bits aren't available!? I'm still intrigued, though.Bill SSan DiegoOn Monday, December 12, 2022 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:I'm all peanut gallery on this one. I'm reminded of a Canadian rock band I listened to as a teen named Max Webster. They had an album called "High Class in Borrowed Shoes". I never really related much to that title until right now.. and how underneath the inflated image of "high class" resides the person, place or thing as it truly is. In this case, it's "just" a derailleur regardless of the sales pitch and inflated sense of worthiness. Not to diminish the "just", I mean that as the authenticity of Existence. A derailleur is a marvelous and ingenious thing and no amount of over or under inflating can change that.

Re: [RBW] Cliffhanger alternatives?

2022-12-13 Thread Brian Turner

Paul brings up an excellent point. If you plan on running the max tire size on your Gus, just make sure the brake you use will clear it. I had already purchased MotoLites for mine before even considering a tire size. Ended up going with 2.5” Ehlines, which turned out to clear the brakes by maybe 1cm. I doubt I’d feel comfortable with any less clearance just due to the chances of picking up mud and rocks and sticks on chunky treads. Of course, this says more about the limitations of certain brakes than it does tires. With the right brake choice, you should be able to run the 2.8s no problem… just keep it in mind.On Dec 13, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Paul Clifton wrote:Richard,I run 2.8" G-ones on Cliffhangers on my Gus without any problems. I don't think the frame would take a bigger tire, and v-brakes almost certainly won't. I already had to Swap the Paul Motolites for Deores to clear the 2.8" G-ones.So if you want Cliffhangers on your Susie, no need to worry about the rim width being a limiting factor.Paul in AROn Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 10:02:21 AM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Hi Scott. Right now thinking 2.6” Maxxis Recons. Possibly Teravail Ehline 2.5” but I read they really are more like 2.25”. I’ve owned true “plus” bikes before & ran 2.8”-3.0” tires on 30-45mm wide rims with success. Not sure I want to go that big. Not a lot to choose from in rim brake rims.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 13, 2022, at 10:42 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Richard, what width tire are you wanting to run on your new Gus, 2.8?I'm getting some Cliffs built for my new Gus, and I plan on running 2.6 to begin with and like having the option to run 2.8 tires. 2.6 is within Velocity's recommended rim width. I think one could safely go outside of "recommended" tire width and run a 2.8 on a Cliff. It's .1 per side wider. It's not like going from a 1.9 to say a 2.8.I find a decent selection of 2.6 tires out there, 2.8 not so much. Have you got a good 2.8 in mind? Do tell. I'd like to look into it. I wouldn't hesitate to run 2.8 on my Cliffs, whenever they show up on my door step...Also, please share what shakes out in your BB search for your Gus.Best,Scott in about to get very cold Montana

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 08:29:36 AM MST, Richard Rose wrote:

2.5"-2.6" tires seem to be at the very upper limits for the venerable Cliffhanger. Is anyone aware of a 700c rim brake rim that is a bit wider? I have not found one.

Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell-esq fat bike

2022-12-15 Thread Brian Turner

Speaking of Riv-esque? How about the Tanglefoot Bull Thistle? Pricey and
extravagant for sure, but it sure is lovely. It's made by my buddy Alex
Meade, too.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 4:29 PM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
lionsrugbyalu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There's also the updated Crust Scapegoat/bot which takes up to 26x4"
> through 29x3"
> https://crustbikes.com/collections/frames/products/scapegoat
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 4:23:20 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> I forgot the Blackborow was redesigned as a cargo long tail... I was
>> never in the market for such a thing but did initially have a slight
>> interest in the v1 Blackborow with the dinglespeed build:
>> https://www.salsacycles.com/bikes/2015_blackborow_ds
>> Here's a TI fat bike from Bearclaw with 463 chainstays, over 1000
>> wheelbase across all sizes and 1177 WB/66cm toptube at my XL size which
>> rivals the 66 or 67cm TT of my Clem H, though angles of 73/70.5  definitely
>> differ than 72.5/72.5 of my Clem.  No experience with fat bikes or Bearclaw
>> in general but recall coming across some other Bearclaw models online and
>> that they had a fat-fat tired model.
>> https://bearclawbicycleco.com/frank-titanium-fat-bike/
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 3:53:02 PM UTC-5 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> Joe - Have you taken a look at fat tire cargo bikes like the Surly Big
>>> Fat Dummy? Or the Salsa Blackborow? I don't have experience with either,
>>> but maybe they could be options to fit your use case?
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 11:21:16 AM UTC-8 Joe D. wrote:
>>>
 Hello Rivendell aficionados! The short version: I’d like some advice on
 picking a fat bike (4-5” wide tires) that shares similar ride
 characteristics with the current crop of Rivendell long chainstay-long
 wheelbase bikes (e.g. Clem, Atlantis, Platy, Gus/Susie).

 The long version: I’m in the market for a full-on fat bike, with true
 4-5 inch wide tires. I live in Montana and my previous winter riding with
 studded 3 inch tires just wasn’t enough. We’re a one car family, so in
 addition to riding on winter trails or snowy forest service roads for fun,
 I’ll use the bike for groceries and errands as well. And as much as I’d
 love an Atlantis or Platy for dirt roads, bike camping, and light trail
 use, the more economical choice would be to get a set of 29 inch wheels for
 a fat bike and run 2.8 or 3 inch tires in non-snow season for an all year
 off-road bike. Hence the importance of making a good choice now.

 How I came to desire a Rivendell-esq fat bike: A friend in another
 state got a 2019 Clem and raves about the comfy, stable ride with the long
  chain stays/wheelbase. But the real kicker was when I got a Yuba Mundo Lux
 cargo bike (https://yubabikes.com/cargobikestore/yuba-mundo-lux/) for
 hauling my two kids around. The swept back bars get me sitting upright, and
 the crazy long chainstay (753mm) and wheelbase (1410) make 150lb loads
 totally manageable. It’s like a Cadillac. Since the Yuba, I’ve vowed that
 all my bikes will be long and upright. Fortunately upright stems and swept
 back bars can take care of the upright part for near any bike, so that
 leaves chainstay/wheelbase length as the big question for a fat bike.

 For reference, scroll down here (
 https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5d1ae74763bde8001707cf36,5e1faf637f17da00170c6e28,)
 and you can see the chainstay/wheelbase lengths on the Clem and Atlantis,
 both ~550mm for chainstays and ~1235mm for wheelbase. For fat bikes,
 consider these two models (
 https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=5ff009522655ff0017c6e96a,61c0a2add559210021256cf2,).
 The Wyatt can actually have a longer wheelbase than the Rivendells with its
 sliding dropouts (1250 max wheelbase). But its chainstay is only 465, still
 long-ish for mountain bikes but not near what a Riv or cargo bike is. It
 achieves that with a slack head tube angle that pushes the front tire way
 out front.

 Alternatively, the Giant fat bike in the link has a similar max
 chainstay length as the Wyatt (460mm) but a shorter wheelbase (1170mm),
 leading to a more centered position on the bike. I’m unable to find any fat
 bikes with the combination of long chainstay/wheelbase that the Rivendell’s
 have.

 Any tips on which bike, and which geometry approach in general, would
 get me closest to the Rivendell/cargo bike-like comfort and ride quality?
 Other fat bikes? For simplicities sake, I guess don’t evaluate factors
 other than geometry, like frame material. For what it’s worth, there are
 very few chromoly fat bikes.

 (Sorry for the length! I appreciate anyone getting into such a
 bike-nerdy discussion)

 - Joe

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[RBW] Gus - bikepacking mode

2022-12-15 Thread Brian Turner

I think I've finally gotten my bikepacking setup dialed in on my Gus, and 
thought I'd share. My previous efforts were a bit slapdash, but I'm 
planning on a couple of overnighters down in Florida this winter and want 
to take Gus with me. After all, that's what I bought this bike for (I 
replaced my old Surly Troll with this Gus for off-road bikepacking).

8.5 lbs in the rear, and 5.5 lbs up front. I haven't factored in food and 
clothing, but this is my typical weight distribution.

All bags are supported; the rear BxB Goldback is secured to my saddle via a 
Carradice Bagman QR, and is primarily supported by the R14. The front Fab's 
Chest is supported by my makeshift "Pec Deck", which also conveniently 
holds my Edelux. I'm also currently working with Andy Schmidt from Lord's 
Luggage in Portland to design a prototype frame bag for the space behind 
the seat tube on Gus and Susies - more to come on that early next year!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/rGKnL3BhiXeUeZGp6

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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

2022-12-16 Thread Brian Turner

Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial to 
keep it off the tire. 

Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've had a 
good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course everything 
gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years I've tried to 
whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me without any 
extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons here. Of course, 
things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust as needed:

Saddlebag:
tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with the 
short poles)
Thermarest seat pad
Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, digital 
pressure gauge)
tool kit
small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
change of clothes (usually minimal)
rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather

Handlebar bag:
Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it works 
like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
first aid kit
basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)
Aeropress Go + 1-2 days worth of coffee - fits in side pocket of bag
Electronics (battery bank, headlamp, charging cables) - fits in side pocket 
of bag
Food (typically I go minimalist and use Good To Go meals, or similar 
dehydrated prepared meals)

Snacks, electrolyte tabs, and phone typically go in the stem bag or top 
tube bag

I think that's everything. Happy to answer any questions about specific 
items!
-Brian


On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:50:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pack list for the 
> low weight you describe hauling :) 
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:49:53 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Nice rig, Brian! 
>>
>> I'm reminded of Brendon's seat-tube bag on his Susie, this was the best 
>> picture I could find. I believe it's a repurposed top tube bag. 
>>
>> [image: DSC_0190.jpg]
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>> Goddamn that’s SICK
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:00:09 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next 
 trip! I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes out 
 like, I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 

 Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I was thinking 
 about doing that as well but thought it might not be super stable. I have 
 it mounted with the stock mount the Edelux came with but haven’t had a 
 chance to test it very much. It has been studded riding for weeks and I 
 have those on the Clem with fenders… Loving your setup!

 On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 1:59:16 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I think I've finally gotten my bikepacking setup dialed in on my Gus, 
> and thought I'd share. My previous efforts were a bit slapdash, but I'm 
> planning on a couple of overnighters down in Florida this winter and want 
> to take Gus with me. After all, that's what I bought this bike for (I 
> replaced my old Surly Troll with this Gus for off-road bikepacking).
>
> 8.5 lbs in the rear, and 5.5 lbs up front. I haven't factored in food 
> and clothing, but this is my typical weight distribution.
>
> All bags are supported; the rear BxB Goldback is secured to my saddle 
> via a Carradice Bagman QR, and is primarily supported by the R14. The 
> front 
> Fab's Chest is supported by my makeshift "Pec Deck", which also 
> conveniently holds my Edelux. I'm also currently working with Andy 
> Schmidt 
> from Lord's Luggage in Portland to design a prototype frame bag for the 
> space behind the seat tube on Gus and Susies - more to come on that early 
> next year!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/rGKnL3BhiXeUeZGp6
>


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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

2022-12-16 Thread Brian Turner

Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my wife 
and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria Island. 
It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the Tampa Bay / 
St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to get to 
it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and our bikes 
and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, so we 
kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on our 
bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes out 
on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do those 
with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan is 
to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
-Brian

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are you 
> planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check out 
> down there.
>
> I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, and 
> there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe Penninsula 
>  in early January, but I've barely 
> had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and I'd have to get it 
> all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my Jones, and I pack 
> a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might be in order, so maybe 
> just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will scratch the 
> itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
>> half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial to 
>> keep it off the tire. 
>>
>> Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've had 
>> a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
>> everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
>> I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
>> without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons here. 
>> Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust as 
>> needed:
>>
>> Saddlebag:
>> tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with 
>> the short poles)
>> Thermarest seat pad
>> Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
>> tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, digital 
>> pressure gauge)
>> tool kit
>> small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
>> change of clothes (usually minimal)
>> rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather
>>
>> Handlebar bag:
>> Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it 
>> works like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
>> Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
>> Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
>> first aid kit
>> basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
>> Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)
>> Aeropress Go + 1-2 days worth of coffee - fits in side pocket of bag
>> Electronics (battery bank, headlamp, charging cables) - fits in side 
>> pocket of bag
>> Food (typically I go minimalist and use Good To Go meals, or similar 
>> dehydrated prepared meals)
>>
>> Snacks, electrolyte tabs, and phone typically go in the stem bag or top 
>> tube bag
>>
>> I think that's everything. Happy to answer any questions about specific 
>> items!
>> -Brian
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:50:45 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Also very curious to know a typical camping set up and pack list for the 
>>> low weight you describe hauling :) 
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:49:53 AM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Nice rig, Brian! 

 I'm reminded of Brendon's seat-tube bag on his Susie, this was the best 
 picture I could find. I believe it's a repurposed top tube bag. 

 [image: DSC_0190.jpg]

 On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 12:53:51 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> Goddamn that’s SICK
>
> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 7:00:09 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> What a beautiful setup! I can’t wait to see pictures from the next 
>> trip! I’ll be watching to see what the bag behind the seat tube comes 
>> out 
>> like, I’ve definitely been interested in using that space. 
>>
>> Is your light mount solid on the makeshift Pec Deck? I

[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

2022-12-16 Thread Brian Turner

Ryan, thank you! Regarding the Pec Deck, I didn't actually buy the "bag 'o 
parts" Ronnie was selling on his site for $75... I had enough spare rack 
struts and Nitto daruma bolts to make the exact same thing. The only thing 
I changed was upgrading to a solid 3/8" aluminum rod (from McMaster) for 
the cross piece (I was previously using just a long Nitto strut). As I'm 
sure you've experienced, the rackless support method is pretty rock solid, 
and I find it's no less solid with the Edelux attached. Maybe there's a 
slight bit more bounce to the light when riding at night, but it's honestly 
hardly noticeable. I'm using the standard Nitto light mount for rack struts.

-Brian

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:

> Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my wife 
> and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria Island. 
> It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the Tampa Bay / 
> St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to get to 
> it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and our bikes 
> and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, so we 
> kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on our 
> bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes out 
> on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
> hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
> didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do those 
> with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
> Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan is 
> to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
> drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
> other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
> -Brian
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are you 
>> planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check out 
>> down there.
>>
>> I'm  really eager to get my Gus out on an overnight sometime soon, and 
>> there's a chance I'll make it to the state park on Saint Joe Penninsula 
>> <https://goo.gl/maps/SDUUSAHYtLTc1p7r9> in early January, but I've 
>> barely had a chance to figure out how I'd carry my gear, and I'd have to 
>> get it all sorted by this Saturday. I had a full frame bag on my Jones, and 
>> I pack a little heavier than you, so I expect panniers might be in order, 
>> so maybe just a nice coffee outside outing around there somewhere will 
>> scratch the itch until it warms up here in the Ozarks.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Eric! Yes, I was happy to see Brendon's clever use of that 
>>> half-frame bag. In that case, the shortened section of fender is crucial to 
>>> keep it off the tire. 
>>>
>>> Re: my camping setup, I've been bikepacking since about 2010, so I've 
>>> had a good amount of time to acquire and test stuff out, and of course 
>>> everything gets better and lighter and smaller each year. Over the years 
>>> I've tried to whittle my kit down to the stuff that works best for me 
>>> without any extraneous gear. Here's a basic setup for about 3 seasons here. 
>>> Of course, things can get bulkier and heavier in the Winter, so I adjust as 
>>> needed:
>>>
>>> Saddlebag:
>>> tent (Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL1 solo tent - bikepacking version with 
>>> the short poles)
>>> Thermarest seat pad
>>> Lezyne micro floor drive HV pump
>>> tire kit (spare tube, tubeless repair kit, 2oz bottle of sealant, 
>>> digital pressure gauge)
>>> tool kit
>>> small, lightweight bike lock (Abus Bordo Lite 6055)
>>> change of clothes (usually minimal)
>>> rain jacket and/or Patagonia Nano Puff depending on weather
>>>
>>> Handlebar bag:
>>> Big Agnes 45 deg down bag (there's no insulation in the bottom so it 
>>> works like a quilt with a sleeve for a sleep pad)
>>> Nemo Tensor insulated inflatable pad
>>> Nemo Fillo Elite pillow
>>> first aid kit
>>> basic cook kit (MSR Pocket Rocket, Snowpeak solo Ti pot, fuel canister, 
>>> Opinel knife, long-handled Ti spoon)
>>> Aeropre

Re: [RBW] Re: New Rivendell Newsletter - End of the year frame round-up !

2022-12-25 Thread Brian Turner

I don’t own a Riv blue Clem, but do have a Riv blue Gus, and this does appear to be the same color. It’s gorgeous in person, and the color seems to shift a bit in different lighting. Sometimes it’s more blue, sometimes it has a hint of green in it. But I would never say it’s a bluish green. I don’t even really like blue all that much, but this is probably my 2nd favorite Riv color of all time… so I think that says something.On Dec 25, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Wesley wrote:Is this "Riv Blue"? It appears to have more green in it than the pics on Rivendell's Clem page. A beautiful color! Can someone who owns one comment on how the appearance in reality compares to the picture? On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 5:33:27 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:See it all here:https://mailchi.mp/5aff4d81004d/an-end-of-the-year-frame-restock?e=d93bc6367a
Here's what we have:

Susies - mostly limeolive - all sizes
Gus frames - mostly mermaid - all sizes
Homers in 58, 61.5, and 64cm There are two 58cm frames with tiny blemishes - they're discounted.
Rosco Platypus frames in all sizes and both colors.Kim HetzelYelm, WA.

[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

2022-12-26 Thread Brian Turner

Love it! Looks great loaded down!
-B

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:33:34 AM UTC-5 Arb Sklansky wrote:

> [image: 180E21B0-7CAF-432E-9C05-CD7CA263A11D.jpeg]
> This is my Gus in bikepacking mode 
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:16:13 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info, Brian and Scott! I'll check out those spots.
>>
>> I'm really only familiar with the panhandle, and have been lucky to spend 
>> several weeks in winter at a house on Indian Pass. FWIW - if your travels 
>> ever take you to the area, Leon Sinks 
>> <https://goo.gl/maps/RPVk6WXvfcHQdT5k9>, near Tallahassee, is definitely 
>> worth a visit. I don't know about the camping situation there, and riding 
>> there wouldn't be a joy, unless there's a back way I don't know about. But 
>> a couple hours of hiking around and seeing the strange sink holes is a very 
>> cool.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:29:42 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> Brian, here are a few places one of my friends likes to go:
>>>
>>> https://floridahikes.com/florida-trail-croom-hiking-trail
>>> https://alafiatrails.com/
>>> https://www.floridastateparks.org/learn/biking-cross-florida-greenway
>>>
>>> Some of that seems a bit more intense mnt. bike stuff, but some of those 
>>> areas are just fun to spend a day on the green and blue trails.
>>>
>>> From what I gather the "Croom" area is supposed to be amazing.
>>> -Scott
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:18:34 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ryan, thank you! Regarding the Pec Deck, I didn't actually buy the "bag 
>>>> 'o parts" Ronnie was selling on his site for $75... I had enough spare 
>>>> rack 
>>>> struts and Nitto daruma bolts to make the exact same thing. The only thing 
>>>> I changed was upgrading to a solid 3/8" aluminum rod (from McMaster) for 
>>>> the cross piece (I was previously using just a long Nitto strut). As I'm 
>>>> sure you've experienced, the rackless support method is pretty rock solid, 
>>>> and I find it's no less solid with the Edelux attached. Maybe there's a 
>>>> slight bit more bounce to the light when riding at night, but it's 
>>>> honestly 
>>>> hardly noticeable. I'm using the standard Nitto light mount for rack 
>>>> struts.
>>>>
>>>> -Brian
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my 
>>>>> wife and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria 
>>>>> Island. It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the 
>>>>> Tampa 
>>>>> Bay / St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to 
>>>>> get to it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and 
>>>>> our 
>>>>> bikes and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, 
>>>>> so 
>>>>> we kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on our 
>>>>> bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes out 
>>>>> on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
>>>>> hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
>>>>> didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do 
>>>>> those 
>>>>> with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
>>>>> Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events. My plan is 
>>>>> to do a couple of rides with them, even though it's a bit further of a 
>>>>> drive from where we are living than I would like. I'm certainly open to 
>>>>> other recommendations if anyone familiar with the area has any!
>>>>> -Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:32:00 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Awesome setup and perfect kit, Brian. Thanks for sharing. Where are 
>>>>>> you planning to camp in Florida? I'm always interested in spots to check 
>>>>>> out down there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm  really eage

[RBW] Re: WTB: Shimano BR r600 or r650 brake set

2022-12-26 Thread Brian Turner

I'm guessing this wouldn't work for you due to the reach, but I have a 
gently used set of Dura Ace BR 7700s with a 39-49mm range.

On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 12:05:14 PM UTC-5 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looking for a Shimano BR r600 or r650 standard reach 47mm-57mm brake set.
>
> Missed a nice set for sale here last month and hoping someone has a clean 
> pair they are willing to part with.
>
> Please let me know if you have a clean set available and what you are 
> asking for $. 
>
> Thx all.
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus - bikepacking mode

2022-12-27 Thread Brian Turner

Arb, what size Gus is yours? I really like that little half frame bag! Do 
you know what size it is also?

-Brian

On Tuesday, December 27, 2022 at 9:15:38 AM UTC-5 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:

> Arb, that's a great looking setup and way more akin to what my overnight 
> setups look like. Even with a basic camp setup I never figure out how 
> everyone else crams everything in just two bags. You should see my winter 
> setup :-X
>
> Smitty in DC
>
> On Monday, December 26, 2022 at 1:33:34 AM UTC-5 Arb Sklansky wrote:
>
>> [image: 180E21B0-7CAF-432E-9C05-CD7CA263A11D.jpeg]
>> This is my Gus in bikepacking mode 
>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:16:13 AM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the info, Brian and Scott! I'll check out those spots.
>>>
>>> I'm really only familiar with the panhandle, and have been lucky to 
>>> spend several weeks in winter at a house on Indian Pass. FWIW - if your 
>>> travels ever take you to the area, Leon Sinks 
>>> <https://goo.gl/maps/RPVk6WXvfcHQdT5k9>, near Tallahassee, is 
>>> definitely worth a visit. I don't know about the camping situation there, 
>>> and riding there wouldn't be a joy, unless there's a back way I don't know 
>>> about. But a couple hours of hiking around and seeing the strange sink 
>>> holes is a very cool.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 10:29:42 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brian, here are a few places one of my friends likes to go:
>>>>
>>>> https://floridahikes.com/florida-trail-croom-hiking-trail
>>>> https://alafiatrails.com/
>>>> https://www.floridastateparks.org/learn/biking-cross-florida-greenway
>>>>
>>>> Some of that seems a bit more intense mnt. bike stuff, but some of 
>>>> those areas are just fun to spend a day on the green and blue trails.
>>>>
>>>> From what I gather the "Croom" area is supposed to be amazing.
>>>> -Scott
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:18:34 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ryan, thank you! Regarding the Pec Deck, I didn't actually buy the 
>>>>> "bag 'o parts" Ronnie was selling on his site for $75... I had enough 
>>>>> spare 
>>>>> rack struts and Nitto daruma bolts to make the exact same thing. The only 
>>>>> thing I changed was upgrading to a solid 3/8" aluminum rod (from 
>>>>> McMaster) 
>>>>> for the cross piece (I was previously using just a long Nitto strut). As 
>>>>> I'm sure you've experienced, the rackless support method is pretty rock 
>>>>> solid, and I find it's no less solid with the Edelux attached. Maybe 
>>>>> there's a slight bit more bounce to the light when riding at night, but 
>>>>> it's honestly hardly noticeable. I'm using the standard Nitto light mount 
>>>>> for rack struts.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 11:05:19 AM UTC-5 Brian Turner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the kind words, Paul and Scott! The past two winters, my 
>>>>>> wife and I spent our Jan - Feb on a barrier island called Anna Maria 
>>>>>> Island. It's close to Bradenton / Sarasota, and basically within the 
>>>>>> Tampa 
>>>>>> Bay / St. Pete area, but you have to drive all the way around the bay to 
>>>>>> get to it. Her parents own property there, so we can take our dogs and 
>>>>>> our 
>>>>>> bikes and work remotely from there. The first year was full-on pandemic, 
>>>>>> so 
>>>>>> we kinda laid low. Last year, we made more of an effort to get out on 
>>>>>> our 
>>>>>> bikes and find places to ride. Mostly just day trips to gravel routes 
>>>>>> out 
>>>>>> on the prairie. A couple of places I found that were nice and within an 
>>>>>> hour's drive or so were Myakka River State Park, and Duette Preserve. I 
>>>>>> didn't really find any good overnight options, and would prefer to do 
>>>>>> those 
>>>>>> with others even if I did. However, this year I contacted a group out of 
>>>>>> Orlando that does monthly s24o rides and coffeeoutside events.

Re: [RBW] Riv Silver Rear Hubs

2023-01-05 Thread Brian Turner

I’m three months in with a Silver rear hub on my Gus. I decided to trust the assessment on Riv’s site instead of searching for more expensive options. When I first received the hub, I was impressed with the build quality and finish. Nice steel freehub body. It’s fairly quiet… maybe just a bit louder than say, an XT hub. So far, no complaints here.On Jan 5, 2023, at 7:49 AM, Keith P.  wrote:I couldn’t find a thread where these had been talked about.Has anyone tried the Silver rear hubs & have opinions about them they’d like to share?Starting to build up my new Sam and am looking into such things.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Silver Rear Hubs

2023-01-05 Thread Brian Turner

Good point that hasn’t been discussed here yet… I’ve only ever seen them listed as a 36 hole hub. On Jan 5, 2023, at 2:44 PM, 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:I’ve only seen them listed as 36 hole hubs. Is that correct, that there is not a 32 hole option?David LipskyOn Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:43:15 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:I built one up in the rear wheel of my Clementine Cargo Cycle with a Velocity Cliffhanger rim. It was a good match, cosmetically, to the Panasonic front dyno hub. Works perfectly so far. I bought two, I haven't built the other one up yet, it will probably get used with a Shutter Precision front dyno hub that I have..It was about, say, 5% harder to build into a wheel due to the drive side flange being larger than the non-drive side flange - had to flex the non-drive side spokes to get them into the flange, but pretty minor. The larger drive side flange reduces the angle difference between the sides, so the wheel is slightly stronger, and has slightly more even spoke tension between the sides, so a good trade-off.I say use one, especially if you are using a front dyno hub. When not using a front dyno hub, I prefer my hubs to match, but not everyone feels that way.LaingDelray Beach FLOn Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:I couldn’t find a thread where these had been talked about.Has anyone tried the Silver rear hubs & have opinions about them they’d like to share?Starting to build up my new Sam and am looking into such things.

Re: [RBW] Bags like the Grabsack?

2023-01-09 Thread Brian Turner

Just so we can get an idea of what size is too small, which Swift hip pack do you have?On Jan 9, 2023, at 5:16 PM, Matthew Williams wrote:Acorn and Cyclecats are two of my favorites:https://www.acornbags.com/https://cyclecats.com/ On Jan 9, 2023, at 2:12 PM, Michael Ullmer wrote:Hi all, wondering if anyone has any recommendations for bags like the Riv Grabsack from small-ish makers (i.e. not Timbuk2)? I'm looking for something like the Grabsack in size/function but with a better strap and open/close function.Now with winter here, I need more space for gloves, hat, etc. than my little Swift hipbag can accommodate.Thanks all!Mike in Minneapolis

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

2023-01-10 Thread Brian Turner

I understand your intent to avoid crank or pedal contact, but personally I wouldn’t base my crank length on the potential for pedal strikes on rocks and roots. In this case, I would fall into the camp of being conscious of the terrain, refining your technique, and being mindful of your own personal skill level. If you’re getting lots of strikes with say, a 170mm or 165mm crank, I wouldn’t be confident that going even shorter than that is going to necessarily solve your issue.On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:45 AM, Richard Rose wrote:Legit question. I am moving from a full suspension trail bike to the Gus. I have ridden my Clem (27.5 x 2.25) with 173mm cranks and have been reminded of how alarming pedal strokes can be! But, I really enjoy the trail experience on the Clem otherwise. I realize the Gus has a slightly higher BB than the Clem & the Gus is 29 x 2.6. So yes, I am trying to be mitigate possible problems. I like the Silver crank on the Clem but I will likely use a 165mm Crank on the Gus. But, I am watching with keen interest the increasing availability of even shorter cranks.And yes, I know technique comes into play here, and I am looking forward to refining mine.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 10, 2023, at 12:01 AM, iamkeith wrote:On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:59:23 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I am feeling so very lucky to have found a Gus. On the subject of Gus/Susie bikes; who among us are using a crankset with shorter than 165mm cranks in an effort to improve pedal clearance on rough trails? I’ve been researching available cranks and finding interesting possible benefits other than pedal clearance.Have you tried a longer crank, or are you just building yours up for the first time and assuming you'll want more clearance? (Based perhaps on experience with other rivendell models.) My single conplaint about my Susie is that the botgom bracket is too high. Its not at all like my Clem or my other most-ridden mountain bikes from other companies, that are all much lower.. I've probably learned to adjust my pedaling technique from previous experience, and my huge 2.8 tires probably have something to do with it too but, in case you haven't done so, you should try it with normal/long* cranks to see if it is really an issue. (*mine are 175)On topic - it is definitely sad to see these go. Grant orginally said that it might only be the first batch that was fillet brazed, but didn't suggest that the models would just "disappear." Seems a shame to throw in the towel and not keep them going in some form, even if they're just tigged. That's how the Charlie Gallop - with similar top tube curve - will be built, right? With the Clem(entine) moving further away from its original mountain/hill bike concept, and with the Hunquapillar long gone, this just feels like a slot that needs filled to me. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 8, 2023, at 11:52 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:Apparently the fillets cost more to do, the Gus/Susie are already $250 more than the lugged frames and were going to go higher if they did another run. These are great frames, if money/opportunity ever lines up for me I'm going to grab a Gus. If you want one now and have the cash, buy it! Joe Bernard On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 8:18:04 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Yeah, I guess the frame builders prefer making lugged framesets over fillet brazing. Too bad, but looking forward to the bike Riv makes that’s sorta between the Susie & Gus. On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 7:32:22 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:If you read the current Rivendell Blahg (Grants blog) he mentions that the last fillet brazed Hillibikes, the Gus & Susie shipment that just arrived, will be it for that those models being made. So last chance at owning a beautiful ATB frameset.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

2023-01-10 Thread Brian Turner

The following is a quote from Will at Rivendell, from some email 
correspondence early last year regarding the Gus/Susie availability. He 
didn't mention anything about production costs, but that makes sense to me.

"We have one more small run of them coming sometime late this year... and 
after that they're discontinued. We plan to bring the hillibike concept 
back, but it'll be an amalgamation of both the Gus and the Susie so we 
don't have to get two models at once."

Personally, I always found it a bit odd that they made two such similar 
models in the Gus and Susie concept. I understand the Gus completely, but 
Susie seemed a bit redundant given that basically everything anyone would 
want in a Susie could be found in the Clem L, and you could make an 
argument that the Clem L is a more capable, versatile (and sturdy?) frame 
given all the weird qualifying weight limitations that were imposed on the 
Susie, despite it looking very much like the Gus and offering what seemed 
to be more ATB-ness than other Riv models (which of course is highly 
subjective).

I'm very curious as to what the future holds for the lineage of the 
Hillibike!

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:46:24 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> "The last of the fillet brazed frames". I take that for what it says, it 
> doesn't say or even infer there will be no more such frames at all. 
>
> Ride on  The Sun never sets 
>
> In regards to short cranks, I'm 6'-2" and change and I ride 150mm cranks 
> and have for about a decade. I originally rode some Sugino 152's but after 
> breaking two of those I sought out something different and went to 
> Bikesmithdesign.com, whose speciality is shortening suitable cranks. He's 
> very specific in what can and can't be shortened, and offers certain models 
> of stock cranks that he custom shortens. I bought the gloss black Andel 
> 110/74 triple shortened to 150mm. It's the model RSC6. It also formerly 
> came stock on Surly LHT's. It's also sold as the Dimension Cross crank arm 
> set. 
>
> I also bought the 150mm SRAM 600(also black) 104/64 for my Susie, though 
> still unridden. 
>
> If you wonder why a tall rider with size 14 feet would use short cranks 
> the reason is simple, 175 and 185mm cranks never lived up to what that 
> those long crank theories theorize they offer. Moving my foot more over the 
> pedal was a revelation when I first tried it, but with 185mm cranks it 
> didn't feel right(too far forward), so I tried 175 and 170, but even those 
> felt goofy, so I saw the 152 Sugino and everything just worked. Too bad 
> they broke though, but good thing I tried the Andel as it feels notably 
> stiffer, and it doesn't have that silly backwards 5th bolt. 
>
> Andel is large crank manufacturer (andel.tw) and makes these RSC6 cranks 
> stock from 150mm on up, in silver and black, double and triple.  I 
> contacted the company in Taiwan and I could order some arm sets from them 
> direct. The language difference left much to desire though, and while they 
> quoted me a price and everything, going about how to actually finalize an 
> order was lost in translation, so to  speak. So I held off for now.
>
> On my road bike I ride 150mm 110 double Origin8 cranks, which I also like 
> very much. If these were offered in triple I'd ride those too. Origin8 
> makes a short 130/74 but it's only offered in 145mm and 155mm and the 
> cranks arms are not the same design as the doubles. 
>
> There are many other crank makers that offer short cranks too. High Sierra 
> Cycle(hscyle.com) is a long standing manufacturer of cranks of all sorts 
> of lengths, and they make the Ritchey cranks and offer the same version 
> unbranded for notably less $$. SRAM has offered 155mm MTB cranks for a 
> number of years. Davinci has some nice cranks also down to 150mm. There's 
> also other short BMX and cranks marketed as "kids"(though suitable for 
> adults). There's more but that's enough for here. When I take a dive in 
> rabbit hole  I'm all in . ))) 
>
> So what I experience using 150mm cranks and a more forward position over 
> the pedal is both ease of spinning and leverage. For me, it's the best of 
> both worlds, so to speak the leverage of a long crank and the spin ease 
> and speed of a short one. I used to have to climb standing quite a bit, but 
> with this I'm perfectly at ease doing either standing or sitting. I ride on 
> "normal" flat pedals, the VP Vice, combined with Altra Lone Peak trail 
> running shoes. My "motive" was all intuitional. Like finding your way 
> through the Forest when there are no obvious trails. . The Way is there 
>  it's nearer than your nose . where you're not looking ))). 
>
> Hey ... Don't ride like me, ride as Yourself ))) THAT is where the Fun is 
> .  
>
> The BB drop on the Susie is 70mm, at least, if I recall. Myself, I 
> wouldn't change a working-for-me crank length out of fear of strikes. Fear 
> is the invalid.. not the Rider. I bought the Susie

Re: [RBW] Re: Bags like the Grabsack?

2023-01-10 Thread Brian Turner

Michael, if you like the Swift Ardea pack, their larger hip pack, the Anchor is now on sale for $84, which is a pretty sweet deal.When I ride with a hip pack, the one I use is the Farsik Hip Pack Pro, which is supposed to be 4L, but it doesn’t feel like it. It’s designed very much like the Swift Anchor in that it has on outer flap for securing a jacket or shirt if you need to shed a layer while riding. Here’s a link:Hip Pack Pro 4.3Lfarsik.caOn Jan 10, 2023, at 10:42 AM, Michael Ullmer wrote:I've been using the Ardea bag from Swift which is near perfect for me, expect in the winter when a few extra accessories are needed. I use it everyday for bike and non-bike use. Ideally, I'd find a bag that this one fits into.Maybe I'll give a Grabsack another try, i think it'd be big enough to fit this one into it.On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:21:38 AM UTC-6 captaincon...@gmail.com wrote:I bought two fifth season squall sacks, and I am impressed by their quality and simplicity. You could get a grab sack and have one of the many outdoor gear repair companies modify it. There's a lot of cross pollination and up cycling going on.On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:23:25 PM UTC-6 Bikie#4646 wrote:Michael, ditto on the Acorn Basket Bag. While I use a Swift Sugarloaf myself, I have a buddy who has an Acorn basket bag and loves it. (Somewhat smaller than my Sugarloaf, I think.) I am a long-time fan of Acorn and their business model - American cottage industry and pure perfection on their workmanship. I have had a dozen over the years. Nine in rotation currently, since I move some larger bags to storage for summer, when I will bring out smaller bags. All but my mountain bikes typically carry a front and a back bag.BTW, I think they are currently phasing out their X-Pac material bags in favor of their original waxed cotton. What's left of the X-Pac bags went on sale and are priced to sell, including the basket bag. If you want one better jump on it.While many good bag makers have surfaced since they began production, these bags are a bargain, considering the quality. If memory serves me, back then only Carradice could match - and that company lacked models like front bags, since I suppose the English are hardheaded about their saddlebags, ha. (I have owned many of those myself.)Paul GermainMidlothian, Va.On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 5:12:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:Hi all, wondering if anyone has any recommendations for bags like the Riv Grabsack from small-ish makers (i.e. not Timbuk2)? I'm looking for something like the Grabsack in size/function but with a better strap and open/close function.Now with winter here, I need more space for gloves, hat, etc. than my little Swift hipbag can accommodate.Thanks all!Mike in Minneapolis

[RBW] WTB/ISO Berthoud Mente or Aubisque saddle

2023-01-13 Thread Brian Turner

This may be a tall order, but if anyone is sitting on one of these wider 
Berthoud models in either a black or dark brown color and would like to 
part with it, I'd be interested!

thanks!
Brian

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[RBW] Re: Last Gus and Susie, 1/12/23, 3est

2023-01-13 Thread Brian Turner

I agree, Joe. I suspect these bikes will be among those highly 
sought-after, storied Rivendells - maybe soon, maybe further down the road, 
but I think your assessment is right on the money.

On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 12:14:48 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hehe, it's not even an accurate perspective, I think Gus and Susie are 
> going to hold their value for a long time. Y'all should buy them and keep 
> them! 
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 8:27:33 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> Nice humorous perspective, Joe.
>>
>> Smiles to you.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 7:36:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Smalls and Mediums in all colors still available. Come on gang, I need 
>>> somebody to grab a 51cm Mermaid Gus and go mountain biking with it and 
>>> scratch it all up, then sell it to me cheap later. Let's go! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:24:59 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 This is it kids, 3 Eastern, 12 Pacific. Be there. Aloha. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread Brian Turner

Yes, mine does this too. Just barely touches one of the lips on the 
underside of the bracket (there's actually two lips), but it's enough to be 
concerning for sure. In regards to using the other hole to shift the 
plastic cable guide over a bit - I don't think that would help in this 
case. If anything, it might make the situation worse by moving the RD cable 
to where it rubs the outside edge of the plate.

I really like Keith's solution... using something with relatively low 
friction like HDPE would definitely help "glide" the cable, rather than 
abrade the metal of the kickstand plate. Now, I need to find an old HDPE 
cutting board that I can chop up!

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:07:21 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Did you try using the other hole on the BB cable guide?
>
> Laing
>
> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:02:38 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> Here's what I did. (this is on my Susie Longbolts, but same thing).  This 
>> is a piece of 1/2" thick HDPE sheet.  I really did this to kick the cable 
>> outward a little, in order to clear some really wide 2.8" tires and, now, 
>> fenders.  But it had the bonus of "lifting" the cable away from the 
>> turned--down edge of the bracket, too.   If you don't need the width 
>> clearance, you could also just use a small piece of cable housing liner 
>> tube.  I do that often because, like you, I don't like the idea of cables 
>> rubbing on the frame.  You just have to check it every few years to make 
>> sure it hasn't worn through.
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:46:00 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Which hole in the under BB cable guide are you using?
>>>
>>> Pictures are always helpful.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:02 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
>>>
 Gus owners,

 When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide 
 to chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand 
 bracket. 
 Not proper in my mind.

 If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just 
 leave it? What say you?

 Scott

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Re: [RBW] Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-18 Thread Brian Turner

Riffing on Keith’s HDPE “fix”, I think my plan is to find (or fashion) an appropriately thick piece of HDPE so that it is actually slightly thicker than those turned down “lips” of the plate. Then, I’ll channel an open groove (rather than a tunnel that encloses the cable) for the cable to glide against and in theory, should provide enough offset to not rub against metal. I’m not popped about drilling another hole in the plate to attach it, so maybe some sort of strong adhesive will work… I dunno.On Jan 18, 2023, at 2:18 PM, iamkeith wrote:FWIW, @brokebike's reply reminded me: With the guide shifted outward like this photo, my derailleur cable DID land right at the edge of the kickstand plate. So the wear to the cable and frame could have been worse. I think the contours of the fillet on my bike made it less-than perfect in that position, too. So all things considered and trying different options, the position in my photos worked best for me.Also, I did briefly attempt to drill holes in the turned-down edges on the kickstand plate, in an effort to "tunnel" the derailleur cable through it. (I seem to recall having some similar detail on a chainstary brace on an old Ritchey mtb at some point.) Because it was hard to get a drill (or center punch) at the correct angle, it became evident pretty quickly that I was going to mess up some paint somewhere. Plus, it would have fixed the cable position permanently. So the HDPE guide was actually my fix option #4 or #5. It's pretty perfect, I think. (Also, when I say "fix", I don't really mean there is a design flaw in the bike. It's just one of those things you need to discover and work out, same as any bike)On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:02:55 PM UTC-7 Scott wrote:
Richard,I don't think that's correct hole in cable guide to pass screw through. If you position cable guide using that hole, it moves guide (for FD cable) more inboard and your FD cable will likely interfere with whatever you mount on underside of down tube cage bosses. Eyeball the line of site from cable guide along underside of down tube to see what I mean.As always, I may be incorrect...Scott

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 11:53:31 AM MST, Richard Rose wrote:

Very interesting. My rear derailleur has yet to arrive but this got my attention! So I installed the guide to eyeball the situation. It does not look like it will be an issue but it certainly will not take me by surprise.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 18, 2023, at 10:48 AM, 'Scott' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:Gus owners,When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. Not proper in my mind.If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave it? What say you?Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cutting tnreadless steer tube

2023-01-19 Thread Brian Turner

It’s been mentioned in this thread already, but worth repeating: considering how high Boscos rise, just be careful you don’t cut off too much, just in case you want to swap bars later for something that might require a bit more stack.On Jan 19, 2023, at 6:39 PM, Ryan Frahm wrote:Looks great, so close!!On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 2:54:25 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:My Bosco bar arrived yesterday. Unfortunately my bottom bracket did not. So this first mock up is without a crankset so it’s pretty much a “best guess”. My intent for this Gus is to duplicate my position / touch points from my Clem. Based on numerous measurements this represents my best guess. As I’d hoped, I should be able to have my bars as high as on the Clem but with a lot less stem / steer tube exposed. Though I plan to wait a while it certainly looks like I will be cutting some steer tube off this one.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 18, 2023, at 10:23 AM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Richard,Thanks for starting this thread.I'm building a Gus, too, and judging by how long the steerer tube is unmounted I think it's likely I'll cut mine down to a more desirable length.When I make the steerer cut, I'm going to leave enough minimum length above headset stack to allow for use of a stem style like this Discord Chromo Peeper . This style stem would be a great way to regain bar height, if needed, after cutting steerer.Discord Chromo PeeperDiscord stems have a theme: short reach, lots of stack. We’re obsessed, an obsession that transcends trends. Tre...Scott

On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 05:01:05 AM MST, Richard Rose wrote:

Thanks folks. You all have confirmed my own thoughts.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:Ed's solution is probably a good guideline. I would add to not be in a hurry to cut it, you may ride it for a while and realize Boscos aren't your thing and will need extra steerer for a lower bar. I would put a bunch of spacers on top and let it be weird for a couple months! On Monday, January 16, 2023 at 7:40:41 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Perhaps a question for Gus owners only? Is there a consensus on cutting down steering tubes? My Bosco bar will arrive in a day or two & I anticipate I will end up with a lot of extra steerer. How much is too much above the stem once the fit is dialed in? Not just an aesthetic issue but a practical one as well.

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

2023-01-20 Thread Brian Turner

Hi Doug, no unfortunately there’s no way to route the cable that way.- Brian On Jan 20, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:Hey Brian.I can't really tell from the photo angles, but could the cable run above the plate for better clearance?DougOn Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 6:55 AM Brian Turner <brokeb...@gmail.com> wrote:Here’s a photo of my Gus and the RD cable run in relation to the kickstand plate. Mine is from the earlier batch, predating the current colors, so I don’t know if there’s any differences in how they were constructed.As you can see, no matter where you situated the cable guide, the RD cable isn’t going anywhere near your kickstand because the plate is so wide on these, the mounting hole is offset to the non-drive side to clear the rear tire. Hopefully you can also see how shifting the plastic cable guide would only risk pushing the cable to the outside (drive side) edge of the plate where it would potentially rub the metal even more.-BOn Jan 19, 2023, at 8:28 AM, lconley <lcon...@brph.com> wrote:I currently own 11 Rivendells.7 of them use derailleurs.6 of the 7 have kickstand mounting brackets - the Custom does not.All 6 of the bikes with derailleurs and kickstand plates, including the Gus Boots Willsen, have the cable guide offset to the side to clear the kickstand plate. The Custom uses the "centered" cable guide.2 of the bikes with derailleurs and kickstand plates and offset cable guides have front derailleurs - they work perfectly with the offset cable guide.In my mind, that is the purpose of the two holes in the cable guide, one for bikes with no kickstand, one for bikes with the kickstand. I think some of you are creating a solution for a problem that does not exist. Note that if you in fact mount a kickstand, with or without the kickstand plate, the kickstand itself will be in the way of the cable if you do not offset the guide. I realize that the cables may not be bilaterally symmetrical with the downtube when offsetting the cable guide, but we need not play by the Velominati rules when assembling a Rivendell (Velominati rules dictates that you cross the cables anyway). I even put the indexing 9 speed Dura-Ace rear shifter on Paul Thumbie mount on the left side of the handlebars, flipped Riv-style, on my Rosco Bubbe V1.I do not think that the Rosco Bubbe front derailleur cable would even work with a centered cable guide:LaingDelray Beach FLOn Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:18:03 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:...  The guide position shown on my bike is correct, because that's the one that routes the front derailleur cable properly.  I guess if I was using a rear derailleur only, I could have moved mine - but it still would have rubbed on the kickstand plate.(But "yes," I did try the other hole. ) LaingOn Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:02:38 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:Here's what I did. (this is on my Susie Longbolts, but same thing).  This is a piece of 1/2" thick HDPE sheet.  I really did this to kick the cable outward a little, in order to clear some really wide 2.8" tires and, now, fenders.  But it had the bonus of "lifting" the cable away from the turned--down edge of the bracket, too.   If you don't need the width clearance, you could also just use a small piece of cable housing liner tube.  I do that often because, like you, I don't like the idea of cables rubbing on the frame.  You just have to check it every few years to make sure it hasn't worn through.On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:46:00 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:Which hole in the under BB cable guide are you using?Pictures are always helpful.LaingOn Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:02 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:Gus owners,When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. Not proper in my mind.If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave it? What say you?Scott



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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest Riv Emailed Newsletter

2023-01-21 Thread Brian Turner

That section of the email newsletter is just a recap of Rivendell’s Instagram posts of late. They (and Rivelo’s IG account) occasionally post photos of music icons and things of that nature.On Jan 21, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:Is Joan Baez in the photo?She had a birthday a week or two agoRayOn Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 9:37:46 AM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:Anyone know why an old photo of what appears to be a very young Paul McCartney is included in a kind of collage pics from Riv headquarters in the latest (and in some previous) newsletters?



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Re: [RBW] Seat Post Slippage

2023-01-26 Thread Brian Turner

Not a fan of those stock seatposts, but the Super Grip is worth a try. The
folks at Crust once recommended Fiber Grip to me when I was having a
similar issue.

-Brian

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 3:14 PM Drew Henson  wrote:

> Anyone have any issues with the stock seat post (the one included with the
> frame) slipping with the latest sam frames? Happened to me on my first
> shakedown ride yesterday.
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> I have a new nitto stem and some park tool supergrip on the way but was
> curious if anyone else experienced this. Or if there's any advice on using
> the park tool super grip?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

2023-02-01 Thread Brian Turner

 tough for me because if I get off the seat at all, instant loss of traction. Pedal strikes hasn’t been an issue at all though. On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 5:58:06 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Fair point(s). As you can imagine, the full suspension bike has a pretty high bb, though not as high as current comparable bikes. I rarely experienced pedal strokes even pedaling through stuff that at my age I probably should not be doing!:)I just looked at available solutions & thought it might be beneficial to shorten the cranks on the Gus to approximate the clearance I enjoyed on the suspension bike. To do so would require a 550mm crank arm.To be honest, I had one particular & disconcerting pedal strike riding the Clem that really got my attention. This was a very familiar sweeping turn but off camber section that I always pedal through. The pedal dug into the uphill side of the bank & I nearly crashed. It was just so unexpected. I’ve accepted the notion that I may have to ride a bit slower & less aggressive than I am used to. But to the degree that I can minimize these things with the right choice now seems smart.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 10, 2023, at 8:01 AM, Brian Turner <brok...@gmail.com> wrote:I understand your intent to avoid crank or pedal contact, but personally I wouldn’t base my crank length on the potential for pedal strikes on rocks and roots. In this case, I would fall into the camp of being conscious of the terrain, refining your technique, and being mindful of your own personal skill level. If you’re getting lots of strikes with say, a 170mm or 165mm crank, I wouldn’t be confident that going even shorter than that is going to necessarily solve your issue.On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:45 AM, Richard Rose <rmro...@gmail.com> wrote:Legit question. I am moving from a full suspension trail bike to the Gus. I have ridden my Clem (27.5 x 2.25) with 173mm cranks and have been reminded of how alarming pedal strokes can be! But, I really enjoy the trail experience on the Clem otherwise. I realize the Gus has a slightly higher BB than the Clem & the Gus is 29 x 2.6. So yes, I am trying to be mitigate possible problems. I like the Silver crank on the Clem but I will likely use a 165mm Crank on the Gus. But, I am watching with keen interest the increasing availability of even shorter cranks.And yes, I know technique comes into play here, and I am looking forward to refining mine.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 10, 2023, at 12:01 AM, iamkeith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote:On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:59:23 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I am feeling so very lucky to have found a Gus. On the subject of Gus/Susie bikes; who among us are using a crankset with shorter than 165mm cranks in an effort to improve pedal clearance on rough trails? I’ve been researching available cranks and finding interesting possible benefits other than pedal clearance.Have you tried a longer crank, or are you just building yours up for the first time and assuming you'll want more clearance?  (Based perhaps on experience with other rivendell models.)  My single conplaint about my Susie is that the botgom bracket is too high.  Its not at all like my Clem or my other most-ridden mountain bikes from other companies, that are all much lower..  I've probably  learned to adjust my pedaling technique from previous experience, and my huge 2.8 tires probably have something to do with it too but, in case you haven't done so, you should try it with normal/long* cranks to see if it is really an issue. (*mine are 175)On topic - it is definitely sad to see these go.  Grant orginally said that it might only be the first batch that was fillet brazed, but didn't suggest that the models would just "disappear."  Seems a shame to throw in the towel and not keep them going in some form, even if they're just tigged.  That's how the Charlie Gallop - with similar top tube curve -  will be built, right?  With the Clem(entine) moving further away from its original mountain/hill bike concept, and with the Hunquapillar long gone, this just feels like a slot that needs filled to me. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 8, 2023, at 11:52 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:Apparently the fillets cost more to do, the Gus/Susie are already $250 more than the lugged frames and were going to go higher if they did another run. These are great frames, if money/opportunity ever lines up for me I'm going to grab a Gus. If you want one now and have the cash, buy it! Joe Bernard On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 8:18:04 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:Yeah, I guess the frame builders prefer making lugged framesets over fillet brazing. Too bad, but looking forward to the bike Riv makes that’s sorta between the Susie & Gus. On Sunday, January 8, 2023 at 7:32:22 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:If you read the current Rivendell Blahg (Grants blog) he mentions that the last fillet brazed Hillibikes, the Gus &

Re: [RBW] Re: Gus and Susie ride off into the sunset

2023-02-01 Thread Brian Turner

.com> wrote:I run a 172 on my Susie and it is plenty high with the 2.5” for some pretty chunky terrain. I have a 170 on my Clem with 2” and it is about an inch lower. These bikes are so long that I understand wanting a bit more clearance but if a 170 is comfortable I think the bike is high enough to pedal through anything these bikes can pedal through. I’m still getting used to the Susie as a mountain bike really. Chunky climbs are tough for me because if I get off the seat at all, instant loss of traction. Pedal strikes hasn’t been an issue at all though. On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 5:58:06 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Fair point(s). As you can imagine, the full suspension bike has a pretty high bb, though not as high as current comparable bikes. I rarely experienced pedal strokes even pedaling through stuff that at my age I probably should not be doing!:)I just looked at available solutions & thought it might be beneficial to shorten the cranks on the Gus to approximate the clearance I enjoyed on the suspension bike. To do so would require a 550mm crank arm.To be honest, I had one particular & disconcerting pedal strike riding the Clem that really got my attention. This was a very familiar sweeping turn but off camber section that I always pedal through. The pedal dug into the uphill side of the bank & I nearly crashed. It was just so unexpected. I’ve accepted the notion that I may have to ride a bit slower & less aggressive than I am used to. But to the degree that I can minimize these things with the right choice now seems smart.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 10, 2023, at 8:01 AM, Brian Turner <brok...@gmail.com> wrote:I understand your intent to avoid crank or pedal contact, but personally I wouldn’t base my crank length on the potential for pedal strikes on rocks and roots. In this case, I would fall into the camp of being conscious of the terrain, refining your technique, and being mindful of your own personal skill level. If you’re getting lots of strikes with say, a 170mm or 165mm crank, I wouldn’t be confident that going even shorter than that is going to necessarily solve your issue.On Jan 10, 2023, at 7:45 AM, Richard Rose <rmro...@gmail.com> wrote:Legit question. I am moving from a full suspension trail bike to the Gus. I have ridden my Clem (27.5 x 2.25) with 173mm cranks and have been reminded of how alarming pedal strokes can be! But, I really enjoy the trail experience on the Clem otherwise. I realize the Gus has a slightly higher BB than the Clem & the Gus is 29 x 2.6. So yes, I am trying to be mitigate possible problems. I like the Silver crank on the Clem but I will likely use a 165mm Crank on the Gus. But, I am watching with keen interest the increasing availability of even shorter cranks.And yes, I know technique comes into play here, and I am looking forward to refining mine.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 10, 2023, at 12:01 AM, iamkeith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote:On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 4:59:23 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:I am feeling so very lucky to have found a Gus. On the subject of Gus/Susie bikes; who among us are using a crankset with shorter than 165mm cranks in an effort to improve pedal clearance on rough trails? I’ve been researching available cranks and finding interesting possible benefits other than pedal clearance.Have you tried a longer crank, or are you just building yours up for the first time and assuming you'll want more clearance? (Based perhaps on experience with other rivendell models.) My single conplaint about my Susie is that the botgom bracket is too high. Its not at all like my Clem or my other most-ridden mountain bikes from other companies, that are all much lower.. I've probably learned to adjust my pedaling technique from previous experience, and my huge 2.8 tires probably have something to do with it too but, in case you haven't done so, you should try it with normal/long* cranks to see if it is really an issue. (*mine are 175)On topic - it is definitely sad to see these go. Grant orginally said that it might only be the first batch that was fillet brazed, but didn't suggest that the models would just "disappear." Seems a shame to throw in the towel and not keep them going in some form, even if they're just tigged. That's how the Charlie Gallop - with similar top tube curve - will be built, right? With the Clem(entine) moving further away from its original mountain/hill bike concept, and with the Hunquapillar long gone, this just feels like a slot that needs filled to me. Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 8, 2023, at 11:52 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:Apparently the fillets cost more to do, the Gus/Susie are already $250 more than the lugged frames and were going to go higher if they did another run. These are great frames, if money/opportunity ever lines up for me I'm going to grab a Gus. If you want one now and have the cash, buy it!

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