You're right... a bit more rail length on the Cambiums as the Brooks rails 
are notoriously short. This, along with the thickness of the leather, is 
one of the reasons why I really love the Berthoud saddles, but I still have 
a few B17 Specials that fit me like an old baseball glove, and I would 
never part with them.

The angle of your C17 in the photo of your Clementine was basically the 
same kind of angle I was running on my Cambium when I was experiencing the 
back pain.

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 3:50:35 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I cant remember, but i *THINK* the cambium has more rail real estate for 
> fore and aft than the B17 design as well - for the most part I just slam 
> the B17 back fairly nosed up. I dont think I have my C17 all the way back - 
> tilted up a few degrees from level. It works well for me. Also a thing of 
> to note is the leather flexes a bit when you sit, the cambium doesn't 
> really. 
>
> [image: PXL_20220927_221742495.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 12:38:19 PM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:20:50 PM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I suppose I didn't expect the rubber Brooks Cambium vs. a leather Brooks 
>>> (or other similar brand leather saddle) could be making the difference 
>>> here, but that's a good point. 
>>>
>>
>> I would expect a difference between Cambium and leather. The Cambium has 
>> a different shape, with none of the drop that the leather Brooks saddles 
>> have. On a Brooks B17 (or other leather) saddle, even with a moderate 
>> amount of nose-up tillt, the rear of the saddle is still level or even 
>> angled down-forward. On a Cambium, any nose-up tilt also has the rear of 
>> the saddle tilted up.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA 
>>
>

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