[RBW] Re: WTB: Wide range double crankset

[Bob Lovejoy]

I have had great luck using the IRD QB-95 BB (127.5) with the AT cranks, at 
times using a drive side spacer (sorry I do remember but I will guess at 
3-5mm for the spacer).

http://boulderbicycle.bike/IRD-JIS-Bottom-Bracket-QB-95-lots-of-sizes-best-bb-option-REGARDLESS-of-cost.html

The AT's are great cranks if you stay with a triple... and the BB cost is 
going to be less than a different crankset.

Bob
Galesburg, IL

On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 2:02:53 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> What crank length Joe?
> The AT  may need a 127mm bb with a +5mm to the drive side. 
> There is currently a cup and cone unit on eBay. 
> Those ATs are pretty nice cranks, it may be worth sourcing the correct bb. 
>
> Ray
>
> On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 10:40:36 AM UTC-7 Joe M. wrote:
>
>> I'm building a Sam and setting it up with a 12-32 8-speed cassette. I 
>> have a Sugino AT 24/34/46 that won't fit, even with a 122.5mm BB! It fits 
>> as a double but I want more granny gearing!
>>
>> Does anyone have a wide range double that they'd be willing to part with. 
>> Ideally it would be 26/42. A Rene Herse or Specialties TA Pro 5 Vis would 
>> be the bees knees!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Joe from Los Angeles
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Wide range double crankset

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not expert enough to explain where the differences come from, but 
different cranks use different bb spindle lengths to get the same 
configuration.  The Sugino AT's just happen to use a relatively long 
spindle but once installed they clear the chainstays exactly as they 
should.  That said, being a triple, the Q factor is going to be more than a 
double.

Sheldon's BB chart is here:  https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bbsize.html  
(scroll down to the Sugino section for the Sugino AT)
I wish there were more Q factors filled in but hopefully there is enough 
info there to do some comparisons.

If you do go with a double, the IRD compact double (46/30) might be on your 
list... I have that on a Hilsen and it works great.  I am sure there are 
other great options as well.
http://boulderbicycle.bike/IRD-Compact-Crank-46-30-assorted-lengths.html

Hopefully other AT users (or ??) will chime in with more knowledge and 
experience...

Bob



On Sunday, April 25, 2021 at 5:41:04 PM UTC-5 Joe M. wrote:

> Crank length 170mm. The AT's are really nice. I'm afraid that going with 
> that wide of a BB may not feel right. Can you folks with experience with 
> the AT shed some light on this? I'm 5'10 with a PBH of 85. I imagine if I 
> was taller I may not notice the wide Q. I don't have experience with 
> anything that wide. Thanks!
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Appaloosa F/F/HS

[Bob Lovejoy]

David,

Here is a chart from the Riv site:  
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh

Bob
On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 8:13:00 AM UTC-6 David Wadstrup wrote:

> Good morning, Bones,
>
> Just sent a PM.
>
>
> Is anyone able to tell me what the PBH range is for this 62cm frame? I've 
> hunted around online and can't turn anything up.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> David
> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 10:07:04 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> Bump. I'll drop the price for local pickup to $900. Make me an offer.
>>
>> Bones
>>
>> On Friday, January 8, 2021 at 3:35:29 PM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> $1000 shipped CONUS or can arrange for local pickup (NJ, outside of 
>>> Philadelphia)
>>>
>>> Ever since I moved the kiddos over to my Cargo Clem I've had a hard time 
>>> finding a job for my Apploosa. It's a wonderful bike but I simply do not 
>>> need an All-Rounder while I have other bikes better suited to each type of 
>>> riding I do. Two years of beausage. No dents or dings other than some mild 
>>> depressions on the chainstays from the super-duper kickstand I used to use. 
>>> There are some moderate scrapes near the crank and inside the drive side 
>>> chainstay (loose chain incident). Other small scrapes here and there. The 
>>> attached pictures should show it all.
>>>
>>> Please PM me with any questions. Thanks!
>>> Bones
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS: Bikes and frames for now... Bags, components, misc. to follow

[Bob Lovejoy]

(Cross posted with the iBob list)...

I am finally getting around to listing some bikes and frames that need to 
find new homes.  I am planning both a move and some exploring so space and 
becoming a little more minimalist seem important.  

I will be adding pictures and probably more information ASAP, the 
additional I know I need (like pictures of the bags for the Brompton) as 
well as anything requested.  Respond directly (DM) to me with any 
questions, requests for better pictures or information, offers or intent, 
etc.

For now, I am only considering selling the Appaloosa and Cheviot as 
complete bikes, and only with local pickup or possible delivery or meeting 
(within 150 miles of 61401).  If they do not sell as completes, I will 
probably sell the frames and components separately, but for now.. completes 
only for the two Rivendells and the Trek.  And local pickup/delivery only 
for the Appaloosa and the Cheviot for now.

Let me know of any questions, problems with viewing etc.  Prices, 
descriptions, measurements, etc. are included in the listings 
(hopefully...).  Be sure to expand the full heading/description.  I have 
also added a few comments to specific pictures (and will keep updating as 
needed).  I will go back and check again but let me know if anything needed 
is missing.

And apologies for the pictures so far... I will try and take better ones as 
needed.

Rivendell Joe Appaloosa - 58cm frame - silver - double TT - SON/Phil
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGpFRD

Rivendell Cheviot - 60cm frame - silver - Paul CP brakes
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGna5U

Trek 720 (1983/84) - great bike, great build...
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnhJ5

Brompton M6R - 2017 - very little use on this one.  I have had two other 
Bromptons and used them almost daily.  But here in a smaller town there is 
not much need or advantage (though traveling is always possible).
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnnLz

Soma Saga Disc frame/forh/hs/bell!
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGob4z

Raleigh Randonneur frame/fork/hs (Cane Creek 110)/racks/bags
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGepVV


There is at least one more (Zunow frame) I will list, maybe two, but these 
are what I know best for now.

Payment would be through Paypal (full goods and services) but do not 
attempt to send payment before communicating with me.

Let me know of any questions (directly through DM).  Like I said, I will be 
listing more things in the next week or so, either here or on Ebay.  If it 
seems appropriate to the group, I will try and list things here first.

Thanks,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes and frames for now... Bags, components, misc. to follow

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Edwin,

Agreed!  I have to be somewhere soon but I will get those prices out to the
two lists later today.  This was all done somewhat, uhhh, chaotically?  Not
quite that, but I figured I was missing some things I should be doing
differently.

Thanks,

Bob

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:04 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> Cool bikes!
>
> Tip: to see the information click on the "see more" tab on the top picture
> in the middle.
> Bob - I think you should add the prices to the post, so people don't have
> to click around a bunch to see a bike that is too cheap (haha) or too
> expensive for their budget.
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 12:41:28 PM UTC-5, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> (Cross posted with the iBob list)...
>>
>> I am finally getting around to listing some bikes and frames that need to
>> find new homes.  I am planning both a move and some exploring so space and
>> becoming a little more minimalist seem important.
>>
>> I will be adding pictures and probably more information ASAP, the
>> additional I know I need (like pictures of the bags for the Brompton) as
>> well as anything requested.  Respond directly (DM) to me with any
>> questions, requests for better pictures or information, offers or intent,
>> etc.
>>
>> For now, I am only considering selling the Appaloosa and Cheviot as
>> complete bikes, and only with local pickup or possible delivery or meeting
>> (within 150 miles of 61401).  If they do not sell as completes, I will
>> probably sell the frames and components separately, but for now.. completes
>> only for the two Rivendells and the Trek.  And local pickup/delivery only
>> for the Appaloosa and the Cheviot for now.
>>
>> Let me know of any questions, problems with viewing etc.  Prices,
>> descriptions, measurements, etc. are included in the listings
>> (hopefully...).  Be sure to expand the full heading/description.  I have
>> also added a few comments to specific pictures (and will keep updating as
>> needed).  I will go back and check again but let me know if anything needed
>> is missing.
>>
>> And apologies for the pictures so far... I will try and take better ones
>> as needed.
>>
>> Rivendell Joe Appaloosa - 58cm frame - silver - double TT - SON/Phil
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGpFRD
>>
>> Rivendell Cheviot - 60cm frame - silver - Paul CP brakes
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGna5U
>>
>> Trek 720 (1983/84) - great bike, great build...
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnhJ5
>>
>> Brompton M6R - 2017 - very little use on this one.  I have had two other
>> Bromptons and used them almost daily.  But here in a smaller town there is
>> not much need or advantage (though traveling is always possible).
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGnnLz
>>
>> Soma Saga Disc frame/forh/hs/bell!
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGob4z
>>
>> Raleigh Randonneur frame/fork/hs (Cane Creek 110)/racks/bags
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmPGepVV
>>
>>
>> There is at least one more (Zunow frame) I will list, maybe two, but
>> these are what I know best for now.
>>
>> Payment would be through Paypal (full goods and services) but do not
>> attempt to send payment before communicating with me.
>>
>> Let me know of any questions (directly through DM).  Like I said, I will
>> be listing more things in the next week or so, either here or on Ebay.  If
>> it seems appropriate to the group, I will try and list things here first.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
>>
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[RBW] A few Cheviot sweaters available...

[Bob Lovejoy]

I noticed there were a few of the Cheviot sweaters back up on the site.  
Small, medium and large I think.

With the weather starting to change in places, might be good to plan.  And 
hopefully once these are gone, they will order more, the sweaters and the 
sweater vests.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/cheviot-wool-sweater-preorder?variant=29463551475823

Bob

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[RBW] Re: A few Cheviot sweaters available...

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Ben,

Just my take, and possibly different than others...

I think the more slim you are the more the sweaters run true to size.  That 
said, being not as slim as I would like, I sized up and that approach ended 
up working really well for me (from an XL to 2XL).  I normally wear XL 
shirts and t-shirts.

Only you can decide where you fall on the slim scale, or how you prefer 
things to fit, so advice can only go so far.  That said, the sweaters are 
beautiful, warm and of real quality.

Bob



On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 8:21:23 AM UTC-5, Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
> Seriously tempted by a large. Anyone have any insights on sizing? I go 
> between large and xl t-shirts, wear large in a universal sized button up. 
> Do these run true, small, large? Any thoughts would help!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>
>

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[RBW] Sweater vests available...

[Bob Lovejoy]

I saw a notification on FB on this... but sorry if I missed it here or 
wherever.

Sweater vests would seem to be available!  The note I saw said this was the 
last run...  

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/cheviot-woolywarm-vest?variant=31894741057647

Fall weather soon... just sayin'... Support Rivendell, support England, 
support Cheviot sheep, and stay warm as well.  

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Wool Cycling Hat

[Bob Lovejoy]

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 2:00 PM,  wrote:

> My problem is I have a big head (hey, watch it!). I wear a 7 5/8 hat
> size and every cycling cap I've tried is too small. Any suggestions short of
> knitting my own?
> Bill
> Louisville, Ky
>
>
>

Bill,

Bicycle Fixations' hats come highly recommended as well and they are indeed
available in XL.  I wear a 7 5/8 hat (maybe even 7 3/4) and the XL fits
fine, even has some give after that.

Good person to buy from too

http://bicyclefixation.com/prod_jbhat.html


Bob
Denver, CO

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[RBW] Re: Best Bag ever

[Bob Lovejoy]

And one more for the count!

Bob Lovejoy
Denver, CO

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[RBW] Re: Fancy modern nitto rack

[Bob Lovejoy]

dougP and others,

Can anyone say if there is a natural or built-in way to attach a tail light 
to the R26?  I have no direct experience with the Nitto racks, but in the 
pictures I have  seen, there has not been an obvious mount point.

All help appreciated,

Bob 

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for '84 Trek 720

[Bob Lovejoy]

I would verify that the existing wheels are 700c.  The early 80's Trek 
720's were, I believe, spec'ed with 27" wheels.  If it uses caliper brakes 
(which I have seen on some 728's), then it could be no problem.  If his 720 
has cantilevers, a conversion from 27" to 700c is possible but can make 
brake choice an issue.

Might be worth verifying what is on there now.  I do have some very nice, 
well built 36h, 126mm 700c wheels if you want more specifics.

Thanks,

Bob


On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 7:23:41 AM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> This question is for the *alta cockers*
>
> Asking for a good friend who has an early '80's Trek 720 touring bike.
>
> We have a mini tour planned later in the month.  Riv content is, I'll be 
> on my S.H. or Protovelo.
>
> He needs a new wheelset.  The specs are 126mm rear triangle. 700c.
> ...
>

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[RBW] Re: New additions to my site

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Chris,

I am not really in the market for anything at the moment but I did want to 
let you know I think the site looks fantastic!  The work and the quality of 
that work you are doing really shows so thanks.  I am a little more mobile 
now (have been car-free, now with car, the ultimate bike accessory(!), for 
travel and adventures) so one day I will walk through your shop door.  It 
would be great to see Indianapolis and exploring is good...  Listening to 
your podcast even as I type.

Thanks for the great work and shop!  Keep the faith...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: silver shifter adapter for Paul thumbies

[Bob Lovejoy]

Jason,

The first/top ones I believe.  I do have some but they are needed for a 
build.  That said, if I find extras in the parts stash, I will let you 
know.  I did call Paul's at one point to see if they had them directly but 
they sent me back to Rivendell in my search.  Hopefully they will make 
another batch and be offered again.

Bob

On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 10:23:06 AM UTC-5, jandrews wrote:
>
> Thanks you Brian
> is the adapter something that looks like this:
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2018-09-03 at 7.10.39 AM.png]
>
> *or this:*
>
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2018-09-03 at 7.08.04 AM.png]
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, September 3, 2018 at 9:44:26 AM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jason, 
>>
>> The silver adapter is a small baseplate that slips between the flat, 
>> squared base of the shimano thumbies and the silver shifter... It looks 
>> like downtube shifter mounts with the protruding cylinder with flats.  I’d 
>> consider selling mine except my wife who had been using my Silver shifters 
>> as downtubers just recently mentioned wanting a change... likely to bar 
>> mounted index shifting... so I’ll want to hang on to them for a future 
>> thumbie build or possibly sell the whole set of shifter/adapter/thumbies 
>> together. 
>>
>> Weird that Riv no longer has them.  There’s still a link on the Riv Paul 
>> thumbies page but goes nowhere.  Maybe they sold through stock and won’t 
>> replenish with silver 2.0 in the works? 
>>
>> Brian Cole 
>> Lawrenceville NJ
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Building out New Old Stock 2009 Sam Hillborne

[Bob Lovejoy]

I can't speak to the saddle bag issue but be aware the design of the Sam 
seems to have changed over the years.  I think the earlier versions 
possibly had a bias for swept back handlebars as well as maybe some other 
changes (versus the current Sam).  I could be wrong on that though.

Comparing the geometry charts is always interesting to me, just to see how 
bikes evolve:

Older versions:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0

Current versions:
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

I think your 89.5pbh would put you on a current 58cm Sam but I do not know 
the recommendations from the previous years.

Just for reference and planning...

Bob


On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 9:17:03 AM UTC-5, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Thanks for the extra feedback :-)
>
> I'm still waiting on some parts I've bought, but man, this bike is huge!  
> It feels similar in size to the 25" mid-80's Cannondale touring bike I used 
> to have, which I loved but always felt a little big.  (My PBH is 89.5, so 
> this is sized right according to Rivendell.)
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: Building out New Old Stock 2009 Sam Hillborne

[Bob Lovejoy]

Eric,

That sounds perfect!  Looking forward to pictures of the build and, yes, 
ride reports!  Building up a bike, then riding, tweaking, adding and 
subtracting, making it your own, can be such a great thing.  Congrats again 
on the new Rivendell!

Bob

On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 10:11:24 AM UTC-5, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> For today's Sam I would definitely want the 58cm.  I took my sizing for 
> this bike from the Rivendell Reader #41, which introduced the Sam, with the 
> 60cm being for PBH 87-94.  Mine is that original green color, but with a 
> pewter colored head badge rather than gold, so I think it's from the early 
> years but I don't know exactly which.  Serial number starts with M9 in case 
> that means anything.  I'm putting Albatross bars on it, so I've got that 
> angle covered :-)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: The right rear rack

[Bob Lovejoy]

It could be that the Erlen rack they have at A1 Cyclery is not the size you 
need but I wanted to put it out there.  It looks like Chris also has a 
couple of the larger Bagman racks.

https://a1cyclery.com/products/parts/parts-racks/

Bob



On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 9:29:52 AM UTC-5, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tip about the Erlen.  It looks like that would fit this 
> bag, where the Carradice Bagman rack wouldn't.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[Bob Lovejoy]

I don't know the odds, but if you tell people your city/town/basic region, 
it could be there might be one near you, either owned or for sale, that you 
could test ride.  It is just an idea but there are Clementine/L's out there 
and there is nothing like actually riding a bike before purchase.  That 
said, the Clem L's would have to be one of the most adaptable bikes out 
there.

An example of a shop that shows to have one (in silver/grilver)... A1 
Cyclery in Indianapolis:
https://a1cyclery.com/product/rivendell-clem-smith-jr-l/

Good luck in the search and good work on identifying the Clem L as a great 
bike!

Bob  


On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 1:49:36 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.  
>
> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.  
> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most 
> riding will be paved paths.
>
> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>

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[RBW] Re: Whatbars.com

[Bob Lovejoy]

There was a good discussion of the tool and its development on the 
internet-bob list.  The admin there created a pinned posting so that this 
kind of effort could be noted, saved and referenced.

This should take you to that pinned summary:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/internet-bob/W0zK2k8PnTM/VjY_JxdQAwAJ

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Jersey

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not sure of the history but there were these...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-Jersey-2005-Small-Wool-very-rare/232959864082?hash=item363d7d6d12:g:6-8AAOSwdU9bvWIV:rk:2:pf:0

Bob


On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:11:01 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> Interesting reactions to this.
>
> It is not a "counterfeit" Rivendell jersey, it is a "fake" Rivendell 
> jersey, given that there are no Rivendell jerseys to copy that I know of. 
> ...
>
> Laing
> Cocoa, FL
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi John,

Do you have or can you point me to more information on the non-tubeless 
Almotions you ordered?  I am looking at the Schwalbe site now but it seems 
to imply all of the Almotions are tubeless compatible.  I have no need for 
tubeless, at least on my current wheels, and the tubeless tires seem to be 
a bit harder to mount.  I don't mind that at home but on the road could be 
different.

Thanks for any help,

Bob 


On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-6, John Phillips wrote:
>
>...
> I ordered a set of the Marathon Supremes and a set of the new 
> clincher, non-tubeless Marathon Almotions from Germany for about $43 a tire 
> with shipping. 
>
... 

>
> John
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks John,

It is both a little frustrating and even kind of funny how hard it can be 
to figure out all of the variations, in the models and sub-models, in the 
"market speak" labels, etc.  I do truly like Schwalble tires and, 
considering how long I have used them, it seems I should know more!  But 
every time I look at their site, it is like it's the first time except for 
maybe the basic models that have lasted.  I do love the options and the 
improvements!  Still, a flowchart or history or better summaries would be 
helpful.

Let us know if the new tires arrive and perform as expected!  I use 
Supreme's on one city/errand/touring bike but am considering Almotion's for 
a more dedicated tourer.  I will say I went with 700x50(?) Mondials one 
time (still have them) and they seemed really heavy for anything other than 
true outback touring.  I can see where Schwalbe might be trying to provide 
lighter weight options within the model lines.

Thanks for the help and the info,

Bob


On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 1:44:27 PM UTC-6, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Bob,
> I meant the V-Guard tires vs the MicroSkin TL-Easy tires. 
>
> Maybe I was wrong, maybe the V-Guard tires are tubeless compatible. 
> You're right, the general description of the Almotion says:
>
> "Now all sizes of Marathon Almotion are equipped for tubeless operation. 
> The patented Microskin construction tires are also significantly lighter. 
> the tire is for tubeless compatible." 
>
> But the V-Guard tires are a new listing on this page, and since the 
> V-Guard 50-622 tires are listed as 135 grams lighter, and not listed as 
> TL-Easy, I assumed they were the updated version of the Almotion clincher 
> Schwalbe used to list as simply "Dynamic Casing" and that Schwalbe was in 
> the process of updating this web page.
>
> On the Marathon Supreme web page, the text says, "Maximum comfort and 
> speed are achieved in its Tubeless Easy version..." And the non-TL Easy" 
> Supremes have V-Guard.
>
> On this page TL-Easy compared to V-Guard and other flat protection:
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/BENCHMARK-OF-PUNCTURE-PROTECTION
>
> I guess I will have to just see what's what when the tires get here.
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference

[Bob Lovejoy]

I'll add that time and an associated increased cost could be major factors. 
 From the perspective of "older" to "newer", there is the Appaloosa ($1300) 
to the Hillborne ($1400) to the latest Hilsen ($1500).  I know the Cheviot 
could be considered an outlier in that logic, and in several ways, but it 
does seem to me that the prices are increasing, at least to some degree, 
just based on time and costs.  

That said, I would love to know about tubing changes or specs that add to 
the cost, not that there is anything wrong that I know of with the older 
tubing.  I have a new Hilsen frame coming this next week so it will be 
interesting to see (and ride once I get it built and the weather 
cooperates) how it feels compared to other bikes.

Bob   

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[RBW] Re: FS: Acorn 'Large' Saddlebag - $75 Shipped CONUS

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Jeff,

PM sent on the saddlebag.  Let me know if it does not come through!

Thanks,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 12:49:11 AM UTC-5, Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
> Dear Bunch,
>
> I have for sale one remaining Acorn Large Saddlebag in black.  This thing 
> is capable of holding a LOT of stuff.  Lightly used.  Asking $75 shipped 
> CONUS.  If my offer seems high, PM with offer.  PayPal preferred.  I'd like 
> to get this off to someone that will actually use it.  Thanks for looking.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: [podcast] Higher, Faster, Rougher, Wilder

[Bob Lovejoy]

Glad to see The Bike Show back!  Almost always worth the time and 
listening... I have it in my podcast feed but thanks for heads-up on this 
one.  It will make great listening on this rainy, coolish midwest day.

Bob


On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 11:42:54 PM UTC-5, Ash wrote:
>
> Happen to listen to this because of a long drive recently.
>
> https://overcast.fm/+HsdL-boc
>
> Nice discussion.  Not sure who those two guys are, but they are quite 
> knowledgeable.
>
> They talked about (topics I can recall):
>
> - Bike touring, Alps
> - Someone had printed only 100 copies of apparently a very useful  bike 
> touring book decades ago, there's a kickstarter to make a new version of it
> - 'Everesting'
> - 650B, wide tires, ride comfort
> - Biking as a non-sport/racing hobby, etc
>
> enjoy!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: [podcast] Higher, Faster, Rougher, Wilder

[Bob Lovejoy]

Slightly on and off topic, all at the same time... apologies if needed.

I have been using "Pocket Casts" for the last few months for my podcast app 
and have been totally impressed and satisfied.  It keeps almost perfect 
coordination between my Mac and phone (from a listening and download 
standpoint), enables continuous play, working its way through multiple 
podcasts, something really handy on long walks, etc.  It does cost a few 
dollars, but only a few, for the phone app as well as the website (which 
enables, I think, the level of coordination between devices).

That said, it ranks near the top of my list for value per dollar spent 
lately.  For those fighting with the standard podcast apps, or people who 
listen on the desktops, then head out to listen on the move, it really 
works well.  One caveat, obviously to store more than a few podcasts on a 
phone takes storage, so that should be watched.  That said, Pocket Casts is 
no worse (and probably no better) than other apps I have used.

Not affiliated in any way other than I am glad I found it!

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Bob Lovejoy]

Agreed, excellent summation!

Hopefully it is ok with Eamon to use his notes when studying for the 
test... I am thinking there is going to be a test, just has to be... right?

Anyway, I do applaud Riv for sticking to its design convictions and 
direction.  I kind of wish I needed the new Atlantis!  But my Appaloosa is 
working really well for me.  That said, I do look forward to studying the 
new catalog, the next chapter in a story I truly like and follow.

Bob
  

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>
> I like Eamons summary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Bob Lovejoy]

+1 - what Bill said... 

I love the idea, I love the possibilities!  But those wheels, sitting there 
in the corner or hung on hooks, they can call out to you... I heard someone 
state that almost any cool bike part can have that effect but wheels, in my 
experience, are the worst... or the best certainly to be treated with 
great respect, logic and discipline.  Kind of reminds me of that "you can 
have any two out of the three".  Indeed!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 11:57:07 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Inevitably when I run an extra set of wheels for a bike, I end up buying 
> another frame to go with the wheels.  Wheels are the gateway drug for N+1.  
> :)
>
> BL in EC
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Bob Lovejoy]

Great looking bike!  

Because I really like the Acorn bag folks, and to keep me from buying 
another one myself, I will say Acorn shows at least one black tall rando 
bag available.  I am amazed it still shows available but there it is.

https://www.acornbags.com/collections/bags-currently-in-stock

Do you remember the size of the Berthoud decaleur you are using with the 
Acorn?  No worries if not but if you do know, it would help.

Thanks,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL



On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 6:12:27 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> I use my 2017 58 Sam for paved greenways and roads.  It's a standard 
> 'complete' build, except I swapped out the std Noodles for 46s, added black 
> cork tape, plus a kickstand.  Later added an Acorn roll bag, and Acorn's 
> Tall Rando bag (had to wait FOREVER for them to do a black canvas run!).  
> Berthoud decaleur, and a Nitto M18 (?) front rack .  The Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires are like butter.  I don't much like the look of the Topeak Road Morph 
> mini pump, but it's one of the nicer pumps I've operated.  Bottle cage is a 
> Velo Orange Retro.
>
> I need to mount another bottle cage before the heat sets in, so will 
> probably stuff the pump somewhere else.
>
>
> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-VfUZ0imYDk0/Wr1u9mVeAuI/BQo/huNBYiCkX5o1BPbnjhC4aRYmTBQ5MZBagCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_1304.JPG>
>
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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks Tom.  Any help appreciated but certainly do not take time away from 
anything important!  It's just that I will someday have a 58cm Sam, and 
will have an Acorn tall rando bag waiting for it.   I will certainly 
measure everything numerous times, then still worry that it is right, but 
your set-up looks almost exactly the way I imagine mine will work out.  I 
do love the orange versions, and with the cream headtube and the tan 
sidewalls, it looks perfect.  I have to say I also love the lush green 
grass and leaves in the picture!  Winter and early spring are really 
hanging on here in the midwest.

Thanks for any help! 

Bob


On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 9:34:30 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Bob, thanks.  Love the Acorn stuff!  I bought the Berthoud decaleur from 
> Bike Touring News; they were the only ones that had the parts in stock.  I 
> will have to dig up my exact order and get back to you on the size.
>
> Tom
>
> On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 7:24:48 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> ...Do you remember the size of the Berthoud decaleur you are using with 
>> the Acorn?  No worries if not but if you do know, it would help.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: anybody have VO crazy bar?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do not have direct experience but I will throw in that Alee from 
CycingAbout is using VO Crazy Bars on a Koga touring bike for a current and 
big adventure.  He mentions the bars at times but the information is more 
about the trip.  Still, maybe useful...

https://www.cyclingabout.com/video-koga-worldtraveller-touring-bike/

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 8:12:47 PM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of buying the VO crazy handlebar, but I am looking for 
> reviews.  Has anyone here tried them?  If so, would you share your opinions?
>
> Does anyone have one they want to part with?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt B
> Oswego, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am still looking over the geometry but the sloping top tube probably 
makes it look even more different than it really is.

That said, the sizing came out different than I expected (not a bad/good 
thing...).

For instance, I would fit a 61cm (Waterford) Atlantis, 59cm TT (eff), 700c 
wheels, standover 85.1cm
On a new MIT Atlantis, the equivalent (TT anyway) would seem to be:  56cm 
frame, 59cm TT (eff), 650B wheels, standover 83.5cm

Both bikes max at 55mm?

Anyway, interesting!  I bet it will be a great bike but I will be studying 
the geometry more just to learn...  Also, the numbers I am looking at are 
from the Riv geometry charts and not personally known or verified.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


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>
> my memory may be off but is the sizing markedly different from the old 
> atlantis?  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Hunqapillar complete

[Bob Lovejoy]

If I were taller, I think I would just have to find a way to buy this 
bike... I admit to being partial to that silver but, still... I think it is 
an absolutely beautiful bike, with a real world, classy, yet well thought 
out and useful build, the perfect explorer for the taller in the crowd. 
 Someone will be very lucky indeed.

I love your other choices in the Cheviot and Rambler as well.  As they 
say... you chose well!

Anyway, a bump and GLWS.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Bob Lovejoy]

Garth,

I am no expert, definitely still learning, but agree with you on stack and 
reach being very good indicators of fit.  The note that Tom posted was good 
info as well.

That said, have stack/reach measurements been posted for the MIT Atlantis? 
 I may have missed them.  They would be great to see though and could be 
compared against the other Riv models, as well as other frames.

Bob


On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:52:17 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> Tom,  The standard measurement these days by more and more frame makers is 
> called the reach, along with the stack.  Riv has recently added these to 
> their geometry chart and can reveal how deceptive TT alone can be, let 
> alone any 1 certain measurement by itself. 
>
> All of the numbers are meant as a guide of course, as every body is 
> unique, some more/less flexible and feel best in this or that 
> position...not what someone else tells them is best for them. 
>
> There are many articles explaining it, here's one ... 
> https://velovoice.blogspot.com/2015/05/bike-sizing-stack-and-reach.html
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: "How a bicycle is made."

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks for posting this...  As a follow-up, Jack Thurston did a 2-part set 
of podcasts (The Bike Show) that discuss the history of Raleigh and the 
factory.

http://thebikeshow.net/raleigh-part-one-rise/
http://thebikeshow.net/raleigh-part-two-fall/

I have not listened to those shows in awhile, so cannot talk specifics, but 
I always remembered listening and being taken back to those days.

For what it is worth, in the video, it shows a frame coming down from the 
line with the Rudge name on the seat tube, a name I knew was associated 
with Raleigh.  There was a little more information here though:

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British_isles/Rudge_main.htm

I think I will spend part of this somewhat wet, dreary midwest day 
listening again to those podcasts!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Saturday, April 14, 2018 at 12:35:31 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> From the chainring, i think this was Raleigh's factory, btw.

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[RBW] Re: Slightly OT: "How a bicycle is made."

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Brian,

I did re-listen to those podcasts and will warn they are a little dry 
unless the history of things, most especially bicycles, is of true 
interest.  They comprise almost entirely of an interview with Tony Hadland, 
the knower and keeper of much history.  I enjoyed them (again!) but there 
were a lot of names and developments to keep track of.  Also, be warned 
that to have the rise and fall and history of such a great marque presented 
in an hour or so of listening can be a little disconcerting.

That said, the intro to the program came straight out of the video so a 
good segue...

I remember there was at least one edition of "The Bike Show" where Jack 
biked through the old Raleigh grounds with someone who knew of all the old 
buildings and  such.  It was great fun listening 

Bob



On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 8:58:55 AM UTC-5, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> Cool video and thanks for sharing!  I saved the link after you posted and 
> finally went back to watch it early this morning while having my morning 
> cup of coffee.  I always wondered why we called them bottom brackets and 
> now it makes much more sense to me.  Even though it makes clear the error 
> in referring to modern cartridge bearing assemblies as "bottom brackets" in 
> and of themselves I better understand the generalization that has been 
> adopted.
>
> I also found it interesting how the bars and stem were shaped and finished 
> in unison and the way the frames were dip-brazed in the furnace.  I kind of 
> wish they went into more detail showing complete fork construction, however.
>
> I'll need to listen to those Bike Show podcasts soon.  Thanks for adding 
> those, Bob.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville, NJ
>
>
>

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[RBW] People and places and thoughts...

[Bob Lovejoy]

I keep links to people and places and things, though I know they may have 
been quiet for awhile, even quite awhile.  Keeping the links seems 
important though, bread crumbs in their way, back to times, back to wild 
yet simple thoughts and times and choices and doing.

Anyway, in my morning ramblings, I found that Kent Peterson, a hero in my 
way of thinking of heroes, had updated his blog with a poem subtitled "a 
rant for Grant".  And so it is...  I know some people know of Kent and will 
appreciate not only the words but the re-finding...

http://kentsbike.blogspot.com

http://www.thebicyclestory.com/2010/11/kent-peterson-issaquahs-favorite-car-free-ultra-long-distance-racing-techie-turned-mechanic/

Anyone else have news of people not heard from for awhile but valued, 
remembered and looked for nevertheless?

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Tucson Stolen Bike Alert

[Bob Lovejoy]

Matt,

Really and truly sorry to hear of the break-in and theft.  I have been 
trying so hard to maintain some semblance of faith in people but that is 
obviously not easy.  I hope it all works out as well as possible.

In moments of weakness (for looking at bikes), I use SearchTempest to scan 
Craiglist's from across the country.  I know you will have much to do with 
everything else but it might be worth trying at times.

https://www.searchtempest.com/

You can set how much distance from where you are to search.  I run it in 
Chrome, with the "Direct Results" option checked.  I also had to tell 
Chrome to allow the site to open multiple windows but it has worked well 
for me.  I am not sure how it would work if you found your bikes on a 
different city's CL but a call to their police department would seem like 
the next step.

I would also make sure as many of your local bikes shops as possible are 
aware of the theft and have the info and hopefully pictures.  Even if 
someone buys it cheaply, not knowing the truth about it, the bike(s) could 
end up in a shop for repair or whatever.

People here will be in the lookout.  Let us know of any updates.  Again, 
sorry you are having to go through all of that.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: When requesting to contacted off list

[Bob Lovejoy]

If there is ever an item I am particularly interested in, I send the PM 
(through the online, desktop, "google groups" interface) but also note in 
the thread that I sent the PM and for the OP to let me know if that is not 
received.  No guarantees certainly but I don't think it is out of line from 
a thread standpoint to do that.  It also alerts others, at least 
unofficially, that you are interested and "in line", something like that 
anyway.

That said, technology can certainly fail, at least fail to work as we 
expect.  Ok, sometimes just fail...!

Sorry you missed on the tires...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I was going to put down a lot or questions, but I suppose there is no sense 
in guessing... I will wait mostly patiently for more news and/or the 
brochure/catalog and art work!

One question...Jonathan (or anyone)... Is there any more detail on sizing 
or geometry in the catalog?  I saw the page on "Frame Sizing" but would 
sure love to know more.

But wait patiently I will...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

P.S.  If anyone receives their catalog in the mail, please post to let 
people know to start looking!


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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Eamon, 

Seems like 89-90pbh is somewhat the new dividing line in the recent sizing, 
at least with the Roadini, Homer, Atlantis, the Appaloosa and Clem H.  I 
have an 89pbh as well, ride a 58cm Appaloosa, and am thinking (maybe very 
fuzzy, optimistic thinking) I would want a 61.5cm Homer as primarily a road 
bike, with a little gravel thrown in, with the caveat that I prefer a 
slightly larger frame (relative to the norm) versus slightly smaller.  I 
would also probably run 700x38's, hopefully knocking the max SO height down 
just a fraction.

Facts, pictures and others' experiences could certainly push me the other 
way.  I'll keep watching, reading, and hoping at least a few more 
measurements make it out to the masses.

A great looking bike though... I will be excited to hear more!

Bob


On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 2:35:48 PM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> New Homer looks good. It looks like there is a little extra top tube 
> upslope, and a little more chainstay length without becoming one of the 
> long bikes. Not knocking the long bikes - I have no doubt they ride great 
> and I hope they sell a ton of 'em. They are just too long to work for ME 
> for practical reasons. I think the new Homer looks like a winner. Looks 
> like I'd probably be a 58 in the version (89 pbh).
>
> Eamon
> Seattle
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Agreed... I think that is why I cling to the older style frames, though I 
am tiring of the chase there.  I just measured my favorite (road) bike, a 
650B conversion that works incredibly well, and it is 62cm ST (ctc) with a 
57cm level TT, 10cm Nitto stem...  If it ever came to that, lottery 
winnings in hand(!),  I might just send it off to a builder and ask them to 
build me the same bike, with only a few more braze-ons and a few minor 
tweaks.

That said, the Rivendell bikes have always worked really well for me, not 
that I have had that many, and never the Waterford or custom versions.  My 
Appaloosa is a a truly excellent bike, a little heavy with my touring build 
but that's mostly on me.  I had a Romulus that I still miss (a 61cm).

I totally agree on the effective TT length and reach being really 
important.  I have bikes sized between 58-63cm (ST) but they all fall 
between 58-60cm TT.  Well, the Appaloosa does not, but a 6cm stem brought 
the bars back in.  And I will say the newer, sloping top tube Riv's help 
get a level bars/saddle height balance that I prefer.

Bob




On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 3:56:13 PM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> ... If I had a custom, I'd like the seat tube of the bigger one, and the 
> top tube of the smaller one.
>
>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Made in Taiwan AHH?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I have not seen the catalog in person but the picture of the AHH (MIT) page 
Jonathan posted (first in this thread) shows up to 64cm frames.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/Nvs_Ftb1Rps/pwCip3DxAgAJ

And notes on the recommended PBH ranges...  
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/sizing_1024x1024.jpg?v=1524781211

Bob


On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 6:55:26 PM UTC-5, Jacob P wrote:
>
> Maybe I missed this, but does anyone know the frame size range for the MIT 
> AHH? Will they be producing the 71cm there? 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do not have anything very useful to add but I am also at or around that 
89 pbh number, usually have a 78cm saddle height and have studied (studied 
being a little overstated) the Roadini numbers.  

Like you said, the reach difference, as far as I can tell, is minimal, at 
least workable.  I will say the mid-tube top tube height is ~34.12" (right 
at my theoretical limit) on the 61, which might be fine or maybe not... The 
57cm shows to be ~32.56cm mid top tube (lower than I would like).  Also, I 
believe the Roadini has a relatively high stack, and my very amateurish 
calculations came out as 630mm for the 57, 671mm for the 61.   Someone 
please correct that as needed as I would love to know the true numbers.

Anyway, I am very curious if others report or if you get more information 
from Rivendell!

For now, I have decided to not decide.  I had opted for a Sam (58cm) but 
delays and life timing happened (a house sale and move, then travel) so I 
ended up cancelling that for now.  We shall see...

Let us know of anything you find or hear!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

  

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 9:49:45 AM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> Attention Roadini owners.can I have some feedback
>
> I am debating grabbing a Roadini frameset in the near future to fill the 
> road bike void in my life.  
>
> According to the Riv charts, I am basically at the top end of the 57 and 
> the bottom end of the 61.  I have a 89.5-90ish PBH and generally run a 
> 78-79cm saddle height.  Reach seems to be pretty negligible between the two 
> and I like the idea of running less stem height on the larger frame.  
> However, I don't necessarily want a larger frame for road riding (seems 
> counterproductive) but I have a lousy low back for the permanent future and 
> long and low aint gonna cut it no more.
>
> So those of you that have a Roadini in the larger sizes, tell me what you 
> think.  I will put in a call to the RBW at some point when I am ready to 
> get it going.  I was debating grabbing a BMC Road but I want more stack 
> than those offer.
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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

[Bob Lovejoy]

+1 to what Patrick says...  I know I prefer a little too large of a frame 
rather than a little too small.  That said, other (younger and racier) 
folks prefer the opposite.   Still, I would be leaning to the 61 though the 
conversation with people at Riv should be really helpful.  If they have a 
demo 61 built, it could be they would set the saddle height, maybe measure 
few other things and send you info and pics? 

There is also a picture of a 57cm Roadini somewhere here...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/YrobKUozAHk/koR_zTiRAgAJ

It is a 57cm with, I believe was reported, saddle height at 76cm 

Bob



On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 2:55:49 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Aye, 95% sure you’ll love the 61, but talk with Grant and Co., this is 
> what they do. Grant sized me non-standard (I’m a 90 pbh riding a 62 Hunq 
> and 66 QB) and I love the ride of the larger frames. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Any new Hilsen news?

[Bob Lovejoy]

It may be awhile before my catalog/brochure tracks me down... For those 
that do have one in hand, is there anything mentioned on the timing of the 
new Hilsen's or has anyone heard more?

I assume that they will need to get through the new Atlantis builds and 
delivery before anything else big happens, and there may be other projects 
as well, but I would be curious.

Thanks,

Bob
Galesburg, IL


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[RBW] Re: Any new Hilsen news?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Canti-Sam's maybe?  I think the new (MIT) Hilsen's are noted in the new 
catalog but I don't think any schedule or ETA has been announced... though 
life has been crazed and I could have missed it.

That said, I am pretty sure they are a future event...

Bob 

On Sunday, May 20, 2018 at 4:37:55 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> New ones just arrived a few months back, no?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Banana sax reviews needed. Stuff fall out?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Indeed!  And not to detour the thread, but the sizing/geometry page has 
been somewhat updated.  The new AHH and Atlantis(MIT) sizes are included...
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

Bob
Galesburg, IL


On Tuesday, May 22, 2018 at 9:03:19 PM UTC-5, Howard Hatten wrote:
>
> Good eye Jeff
>
> Howard 
> Livonia Mi
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 60cm Cheviot

[Bob Lovejoy]

And on Ebay... I believe the same frame but could be wrong.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Cheviot-60cm-frame/282973517785?hash=item41e28937d9:g:1EUAAOSwBNtbAMgm

Bob


On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 6:56:43 AM UTC-5, Tom Wyland wrote:
>
> Bumping this one.  I see the frame on CL 
> 
>  
> now?
>
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 7:11:39 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> They're really nice frames. I love my 55cm Chev, and I'm tempted to try a 
>> slammed-post 60 to confirm/deny my suspicion that my long torso/short legs 
>> fit a much bigger bike with pullback bars. Maybe!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS 60cm Cheviot

[Bob Lovejoy]

Lol... No, you are right both ways!

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/bik/d/60cm-rivendell-cheviot-frame/6590861460.html

I had not followed your link to see it went to EBay, just saw the comment.  

I think a good deal for someone, especially with the parts included, 
wanting to experiment and have a great riding bike.

Bob


On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 7:32:22 AM UTC-5, Tom Wyland wrote:
>
> Yes, I meant to say Ebay not CL.  Thanks, Bob. 
>
> FWIW I still would like to know what's under that sticker above the 
> headbadge!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do agree... It helps me as well, at least I believe it does!

Also, the Sam H. numbers looks off to me.  It shows the 58cm Sam with a 
61.5cm (effective?) top tube, the same as the Appaloosa.  That would 
definitely be a change if correct.

Also, in reference to iamkeith's post... It seems I remember two different 
sets of geometry numbers around for the Appaloosa.  I just concentrated on 
the one I thought correct but I did cringe at the potential for confusion.

Bob
Galesburg, IL


On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 5:12:54 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> It seems reach/stack is absent . that to me is very useful for 
> comparisons sake with other models. 
> I'd very much appreciate it returning 😀

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

I have a 58cm Appaloosa and from my basic measurements, I am going to say 
that the new listings (on the updated frame geometry page) for it seem 
correct (61.5 tt, 64.5 front center, 53cm chain stays).

The actual page for the Appaloosa frame shows a chart with different 
numbers (59.7 tt) but I believe that is actual/physical top tube length and 
not the effective/level length, taking into account the sloping top tube.. 
 That seems to me the discrepancy, at least with the Appaloosa numbers.  I 
could be wrong but I think that there were some, way back when, that took 
those numbers from the Appaloosa page, assumed top tube length as stated 
was the effective length and made some decisions that, well, did not always 
work out.

That is about the only question I can help answer though!  But I really am 
curious about the Sam numbers.  I suspect the new ones are off, though I 
guess it could be speculated that the new AHH becomes the drop bar, road 
bike, with the Sam going back to its swept/upright bar roots.  The 
Appaloosa and the new Atlantis?  I can only see them as different 
approaches to the same goal, and may the better bike win... though no real 
winners and losers.  Both great bikes!

Bob
  

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 11:52:35 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> In my above analysis, I meant to say that the 55cm Appaloosa appears to be 
> bigger than the 56 cm MIT Atlantis, and that both of those are in turn 
> bigger than either the *58cm legacy Atlantis or the 59cm, 2016 MUSA 
> Atlantis.*
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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

Brent,

Thanks for doing that!  I think the Sam numbers in the new chart were 
changed after the initial posting, as the 58cm Sam had a listed ETT of 61.5 
(I think).  That has been changed to 60, still a bit longer than the 59cm 
listed previously but I have no reason to believe it wrong.

And, yes, you are a lucky guy!  I have two Riv's, an Appaloosa and a 
Cheviot, but still with Hillborne and/or Atlantis aspirations.

Thanks again for the report and the measuring.

Bob
 

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 6:50:40 PM UTC-5, Brent P wrote:
>
> I have a Sam, Joe and Atlantis in the stable (lucky guy!) so I pulled out 
> my spreadsheet. Here's what I found looking at my old vs listed new:
>
> 62 Appaloosa (2017) - no changes to new version
> 62 Sam (2017, non-canti) - new version has 1 cm more top tube, 3 cm more 
> on chainstay. Only changes., 
> 64 Atlantis (2017 MUSA) - this is tougher as there's not a MIT 64. So 
> comparing my 64 to available 62, the new version has 3 cm *more* top 
> tube, 72 to a 71.5 on seat and head, and 6.5 cm more length on chainstay. 
> Fork offset went from 4.5cm to 5.4cm. Standover is 1cm more on MIT 62.
>
> So as I look at it, my Appaloosa is almost identical to a new MIT 
> Atlantis. I enjoy the difference in length between my MUSA Atlantis and 
> Appaloosa, and each is comfortable for different rides and reasons. So I'm 
> glad to have the old 'short' Atlantis around yet. Variety is good!
>
> I do wish my Sam had the longer chainstays of the new, but it's minor 
> quibble. I keep Sam setup as my dropbar, road tire bike anyways.
>
> Aren't we lucky to have so many options!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do think there are are typos and/or oddities in the geometry charts, 
though, who knows, maybe with certain center pull brakes 55mm is possible. 
 I think you are certainly right about the Tektro sidepulls though.  I get 
the impression that more goes into the recommended PBH/sizing chart than 
the actual geometry chart numbers.  I have not been mislead when using 
Riv's PBH recommendations but going deeper into the geometry numbers is not 
always the fun or even useful thing one imagines.

For reference, and maybe it is still there in the current mix, but here is 
the geometry chart from 2017:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170602082329/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

As far as really previous Sam geometries go, I cannot find the chart now 
but I believe top tubes were relatively longer in the v1's, that to better 
work with swept/upright bars.

Bob

 

On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 11:21:03 PM UTC-5, Adam in Indiana wrote:
>
> Anyone else notice that the new Homer has more tire clearance than a canti 
> Sam?  Or do you think that's a typo?  I don't recall Tektro 559's clearing 
> a 55mm...
>
> Also, anyone remember what the chainstay length on the previous Sam 
> generation was?
>

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Tom, 

Thanks for doing those measurements on your Sam!  I have been paying 
particular attention to stack height on potential frames and knowing the 
real, even if approximate, figure on a 58cm Sam really helps.  I need to 
measure my 58cm Joe to see how it figures in.  The 2017 chart shows stack 
height on a 58cm Sam vs Joe to be about the same but it will be interesting 
to find out if reality matches spreadsheets or comes close to what you 
measured.

I am not truly fixated on all of this, as I do just like to ride and forget 
about it.  That said, I want any build I take on, especially these days, to 
have a better than even chance of working as I need it to.  I also want to 
know, at least have some basis to think I know, how one frame might fit 
differently than another.  Without the chance to actually see and ride the 
different bikes, out here away from big bike shops, I have to rely on 
descriptions, comparisons, numbers, intuition and reports from others.   
So, yes... thanks!

Bob
Galesburg, IL


On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 2:12:57 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> ...
>
> Some have asked about the dimensions of the now discontinued side pull 
> Sam.  I have a 2017 58 side pull Sam, and here are the measurements I took 
> off my actual bike:
>
> ETT: 59 (same as 2017 geo chart)   
> F/C:625 (2017 geo chart says 618.5)
> Chain stay:   46.3 (2017 geo chart says 45.5)
> Stack:Betw 625-630(*) (2017 geo chart says 645.5)
> Reach:  Betw 380-385(*)  (2017 geo chart says 374.5)
>
> (*) Using spirit level and/or plumb bob to line up points; not exact, but 
> I do know the actual is off compared to the 2017 geo chart.
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen Frame 56/650b

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not the OP and cannot speak to a Homer from 8 years ago, but the 
May/2017 geometry chart includes a 56cm/650B Hilsen... Maybe those figures 
will help.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170602082329/https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

Bob
Galesburg, IL


On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 4:03:53 PM UTC-5, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Do you have the Stack & Reach dimensions?  New charts omitted them
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New geometry charts available

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am pretty sure this is exactly what Garth posted, but I did stumble upon 
this page today...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0

The older 56cm Sam with the 59cm tt always jumped out at me.  There may be 
other models that have changed over the years as well.

But, for posterity and reference, I wanted to get it into the thread. 
 Apologies if it has already been mentioned or posted.

Bob

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[RBW] Re: FS: Complete 63cm Rivendell Romulus - $1400

[Bob Lovejoy]

Try this... 4th page I think.

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/index.html

I miss my Romulus!  One of the few bikes I truly regret selling...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 1:16:28 PM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I'm having trouble finding any Geo charts for the Romulus.  Anyone know 
> where I can find one?

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen Appraisal Help?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hm This is on Ebay now, correct?  And this is your first and 
only post to the group?

I would say keep the bike listed for whatever you want/need to sell it for 
but add the "make offer" option.  You can always say no... Searching for 
completed listings on Ebay through the advanced search is also another way 
to determine what people have previously paid there (or not).  There is 
another AHH that sold on Ebay for $2500 but it would be up to you to 
determine if there were any pros or cons in comparison to your bike.  

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL 


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[RBW] Re: Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Bob Lovejoy]

Not that I need to find out... but these should fit an un-fendered 
Appaloosa, correct?   Someone please try these and post pictures!

Bob
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: FS: 62 Rambouillet 745$ complete bike ebay

[Bob Lovejoy]

It seems there were two people, relatively new to Ebay though that is an 
assumption, battling it out... I am fairly sure the seller was grateful for 
the interest from both of those people!

Bob


On Monday, June 11, 2018 at 11:00:47 AM UTC-5, Luke wrote:
>
> Just went for $2,175 - (longtime lurker - first time poster - '04 Ram 
> Owner)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA Ram on Ebay

[Bob Lovejoy]

Not that is important but this frame was listed by the seller previously 
and, in theory, sold (May 26).  I am thinking the buyer did not follow 
through with either payment or was not able to figure out the local pickup, 
probably the latter.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rambouillet-By-Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-Bike-Frame-RB0952-C-T-27-Local-P-U-Only/401540053071?hash=item5d7da6f84f:g:EbwAAOSwm8NbAFnD

The large frame size definitely only applies to a few, but it could be a 
great deal for someone who fits the bike.  That said, I am thinking the 
local pickup condition is most likely real.  Anyway, something happened 
with the original deal...

Bob
Galesburg, IL  


On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 1:57:36 PM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> If someone is in Seattle this could be a nice find. Remember a blue Ram 
> just went for over $2000. 😯 Looks like a 62?  Rambouillet By Rivendell 
> Bicycle Works Bike Frame RB0952 C-T 27" Local P/U Only 
> https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F401552870412
>  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA Ram on Ebay

[Bob Lovejoy]

Sorry, thought that link would work and it does not... from a new session 
it shows no longer available.  Anyway, it shows in Ebay history (advanced 
search) if anyone needs to see it.  In theory it sold for $560 to a bidder 
with a 100% positive rating and 709 feedback responses.

Bob

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[RBW] Re: PSA Ram on Ebay

[Bob Lovejoy]

Wow...! :>(

Thanks Ana!  Nothing like an in-person report and pictures.  I am sure you 
have saved some from some unexpected heartache.  If someone bids on it now, 
at least they will know a lot more.

And agreed on what probably happened with the previous bidder/winner.

Thanks again for the report and pictures.

Bob


On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 8:15:40 AM UTC-5, Ana Candela wrote:
>
> Here’s a link to the photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/QRyiMsDqdJX2Tzby8 
>
> -Ana

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[RBW] Re: FS: SOMA ES

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am not the OP but I believe it is a 61cm frame...

https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/soma-es-61-cm/6608678142.html

Bob

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[RBW] Re: MIT AHH - When Available?

[Bob Lovejoy]

First, I will say I deeply appreciate and respect the ability to pick up a 
phone, call Rivendell with just about any question, know I will end up 
talking to someone that wants to be helpful and will be glad, at least 
truly ok, that I called.  I have never had a bad experience calling and 
even got to talk for awhile with Grant when he answered the phone once... 
highlight of my day!  Heck, here I am still talking about it!

That said... If the phone is the only or best way to get good information, 
then I worry.  Actually, I don't worry, as I have decided I can only worry 
about so much, and I trust the people at Riv to run their business, design 
and build their bikes, do what is needed.  If it is real enough to be real, 
known enough to be known, I assume it will be communicated... and I will 
read every word, look at every picture.  But, if not communicated out 
publicly, I assume things are still being decided, schedules are not known, 
details are still to be worked out, problems still to be resolved... and so 
I do not barge in, I try not to waste anyone's time.

I do sincerely believe that Rivendell would be well served by having an 
official communications person, a true point of contact, the reader and 
responder of the e-mails, the asker of questions to others when needed, 
someone who could know as much as there is to know about all things 
Rivendell... and they would communicate and post fairly regularly, and I 
would know my questions would not be keeping them from other work, because 
that would be their main mission, even their passion, to let people know, 
participate, plan, and get excited... and to help Rivendell not only 
survive but to thrive.  

Ok, enough words as it is time to find the COG group (Cyclists of 
Galesburg!) and ride on this amazingly beautiful morning!   Hope the day 
for everyone is a good one.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Drew,

PM sent on the Marathon Supremes.

Thanks!

Bob L.
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Roadini pics with saddle height? - 61cm and 57cm frames?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am right at the transition point between the 57cm and 61cm Roadini's (PBH 
89cm, seat height 78-79 depending on shoes).

Can someone point me to pictures of a 61cm Roadini that has the saddle 
height (as pictured) listed?  I suppose the same goes for pictures of a 
57cm version, though I have seen some pictures posted and those have been 
helpful.  

I tend to choose and ride frames on the larger side of any recommendations, 
as I am used to it and also prefer a mostly level saddle-to-bars 
relationship without being crazy with seat post or stem.  That said, the 
relatively higher head tube on the Roadini has me thinking. 

I will go back and study the geometry diagrams again but any pictures of 
builds would be helpful.

Thanks for any and all help,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Roadini pics with saddle height? - 61cm and 57cm frames?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Joe,

I do tend to agree... And your custom and Legolas are set-up just perfectly 
to my eyes.  Not that I am set on the Roadini, but I know some of the 
pictures make it look like the head tube allows the bars to end up pretty 
high by design, a great thing, at least within reason.  That said, I would 
not want to have to completely slam the stem on a 61 to get the bars level 
or maybe just slightly below saddle height.  Someone here once said that 
they were completely confident in Riv's sizing recommendations as long as 
they fell near the middle of those recommendations and I do see the wisdom 
of that.  

Lum Gim Fong's suggestion about asking someone at RBW to take a picture of 
a 61cm Roadini with a saddle height set to 78-79 and level bars is a good 
idea.  

I will have a little credit built up at some point (with Riv), so potential 
projects are being considered.  I suspect the potential project will take a 
different turn but a good and less-slow road bike would be a worthy 
addition to my more usual utility and load carrying builds.

Thanks for the help!

Bob


On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
>
> Bob, I too have a 89cm PBH. I cannot imagine why we would choose to ride a 
> 57cm. When I ordered a custom road frame, Grant put me on a 61.5cm. Here it 
> is many years ago with the handlebars at saddle height. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6897752730/in/album-72157607471577085/
> When I bought a Legolas, I chose a 62cm frame.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/album-72157607471577085/
> A 60cm Quickbeam looks like this
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/2760281945/in/album-72157607471577085/
> A 58cm frame with a completely flat top tube but a 2cm head tube extension 
> looks like this. 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5265783630/in/album-72157607471577085/
>
> Joe in GJT
>
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 10:31:07 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
>> I am right at the transition point between the 57cm and 61cm Roadini's 
>> (PBH 89cm, seat height 78-79 depending on shoes).
>>
>> Can someone point me to pictures of a 61cm Roadini that has the saddle 
>> height (as pictured) listed?  I suppose the same goes for pictures of a 
>> 57cm version, though I have seen some pictures posted and those have been 
>> helpful.  
>>
>> I tend to choose and ride frames on the larger side of any 
>> recommendations, as I am used to it and also prefer a mostly level 
>> saddle-to-bars relationship without being crazy with seat post or stem. 
>>  That said, the relatively higher head tube on the Roadini has me thinking. 
>>
>> I will go back and study the geometry diagrams again but any pictures of 
>> builds would be helpful.
>>
>> Thanks for any and all help,
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
>>
>

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[RBW] Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I figured I would ask on the off chance (or maybe not so off?) that someone 
has ridden all three bikes and can describe their take on the differences 
they detected.  I know from design that the Roadini should be faster than 
the Sam and the Sam faster than the Joe.  I know from a touring and rough 
stuff perspective it would be the Joe then the Sam then the Roadini.

That said, I am curious if anyone has had the chance to ride all three and 
what impressed them regarding differences as well as similarities.

My caveat, as I now say often, is I have no business asking!  Still, I 
would be curious...  I have a Joe that I love but having the Joe built for 
rough stuff and something else built for faster and smoother riding does 
sound like a great thing.  I am attracted to the Sam but fear there is just 
too much overlap with the Joe I already have.

Anyway, figured I would ask...  Thanks in advance for any help or 
descriptions.

Bob L.
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[Bob Lovejoy]

That is interesting about the comparison between the Hunq and the Sam.  And 
even though I have not owned a Sam, I can still agree with you on the 
versatility and do-it-all nature.  I feel the same about the Joe, though I 
know the Joe falls slightly to one side of the rough vs road line, maybe 
the Sam slightly to the other.

I do think the Roadini is the logical choice.  I am still just a little 
concerned about the sizing.  I think a conversation and maybe some pictures 
(at Riv's convenience) will help a lot in that regard.  I also have a 
couple of older (but nice) bikes I need to give one more chance to - a 
62/63cm Raleigh Randonneur that I know is too big for me and a (60cm) Trek 
720 that seems to ride slightly smaller than I prefer.  Still, I should at 
least give them a chance.. and, yes, talk with Will or someone at Riv... 
:>)  I also have a 650B conversion that works extremely well so, in theory, 
more than theory, I should be set.  Still, I do love the way the Rivendells 
ride and fit me so the lure is always there.

Thanks for the help and the comparisons!

Bob

On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 8:00:34 PM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> I had a hunqapillar, then I got a Sam hillborne with the intention of 
> doing what you describe. 1 tourish and one fastish. Long story short, Sam 
> never felt much faster than the hunq. It probably was, marginally, but it 
> never felt sprightly. I sold the Sam first.
>
> All that said, in my experience, a hillborne is about as close to a 
> do-anything bike as I've ever ridden. It is equally a road bike as it is a 
> dirt road tourerbut if you have a dirt road tourer, why buy something 
> else that is half overlapping?
>
> I only have an Atlantis now. If I was to get a second bike, and it was 
> going to be a riv, I'd get the roadini.
>
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[RBW] Re: New Greenlantis/ seatpost size?/ crazy pack job

[Bob Lovejoy]

That is an excellent looking bike!  Congrats on the new ride...  Wow!

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks Ed.  That helps a lot, as well as the comments from others.

Question(s) - From a sizing standpoint, did you fit in the middle of the 
PBH recommendations for a particular size (of the Roadini) or were you on 
the outer edge of those recommendations (where you could have gone with 
either a smaller or larger frame)?  If on the edge, which way did you 
choose?  Also, if you were in the middle of the recommendations, does the 
bike fit you just as expected?  Any surprises as to saddle/handlebar 
heights or reach?  What size Joe vs Roadini?  

Big thanks for any help or info!

Bob 

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:11:03 PM UTC-6, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
> I was in a similar situation: I have a Joe and was looking for "something 
> else" to complement it. I ended up getting a Roadini instead of the Sam 
> since I thought there was too much overlap between the Sam and the Joe. (To 
> be fair, I haven't ridden the Sam.) I peeked at the Roadeo but don't ride 
> often enough to justify the cost difference. As others have said, setup is 
> everything so I purpose built each for the job: Joe is an upright 
> tourer/townie (racks, fenders, dynamo lights) and Leo is a drop bar 
> meanderer. I live in the city so all my riding is asphalt, with road 
> quality and traffic being the biggest variables.
>
> As expected, efficiency is the most notable difference with the two (duh). 
> I say "efficiency" since as an old fart I don't go much faster on the 
> Roadini, but I can definitely go further and hills are much easier to 
> tackle. Both are fun to ride in their own Rivendell way, and the Roadini 
> "just for fun" is a nice change of pace from put-putting around on the Joe. 
> The ride position makes a difference to me as well as I prefer the Joe when 
> playing in traffic while I would rather ride the Roadini on dedicated paths 
> or on not-so-busy streets.
>
> Note that I did find the skinny tires (Paselas) on the Roadini a little 
> jarring, at least compared to the 50mm Marathons on the Joe, so I bit the 
> bullet and got Compass 32mm tire. That helped out a lot. I'm still messing 
> with other setup things on the Roadini, but I'm definitely happy with it as 
> an alternative to the Joe which I can just grab and ride.
>
>
> --Ed C.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks Bill!  You do remind me of a friend, a co-worker, in Denver.  I 
would have spent far too long overanalyzing something, usually which bike 
to keep, sell, modify, build a different way, etc.  I would tell him of my 
dilemma, whatever it was, expecting at least a delay in his response while 
he thought through all that I told him.  Anyway, without any discernible 
hesitation, he would say, just do this, this and this and, well, problem 
solved!  And I would stand there, lost for words, as he always seemed to 
cut to the essence of the problem and present, almost always, the right 
answer.  You guys kill me!  And make me laugh at myself as well...

You are exactly right!  The only danger would be my own habit of 
overbuilding and making a bike heavier than it needs to be.  I do know the 
Sam would fit me, no doubt about that.  I am going on more group rides (the 
"Cyclists of Galesburg"!) and though we do not go that fast, a little 
additional efficiency or speed would be welcome.  I could overbuild the Joe 
for touring and rough-stuff and just try and have some discipline with the 
other bike, whatever it might be.

I will consider your words!  As they are wise... :>)

Hope all is well there!  Following your adventures and bike builds is a 
true gift here, so please keep all that up!  Thanks for your help.

>From the "true winter will be here soon" Midwest,

Bob L.
Galesburg, IL



On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 1:37:53 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My main 'real world road bike' is my Sam Hillborne.  I have a stipped down 
> racing bike that resembles a Roadini, a Black Mountain Road bike.  If your 
> application requires a stripped down racing bike, the Roadini is more like 
> that.  
>
> Let's say hypothetically you built up a Roadini with a light build and had 
> a 22 pound road bike, with 32 mm tires.  If you moved that build kit over 
> to a Hillborne, the only different thing you would need is a 135mm rear hub 
> and cantilever brakes.  That hypothetical Hillborne would be about 23 
> pounds, or about half a water bottle heavier.  On that light Hillborne 
> you'd could run 38mm Barlow Pass tires instead and be just as fast (or 
> faster) and way more comfortable, and still could run fenders, which would 
> take you up to 24 pounds.  You could add a nice handlebar bag and dynamo 
> lighting and now you have a full feature brevet bike.  
>
> It's true that if you do an urban assault vehicle build on a Sam you might 
> end up with a 32 pound bike which would 'overlap' a fair bit with an 
> Appaloosa.  A light Sam build could definitely give a Roadini a run for its 
> money. A Roadini is a straightforward stripped down race bike. If you are 
> sure you need/want a stripped down straightforward race bike (and nothing 
> more, ever), it's a great choice. If you want a 'real world road bike' that 
> excels at a wider swath of applications, there's very little compromise 
> with a Sam to buy you that versatility. You could absolutely run the Sam as 
> a loaded touring bike, or a cyclocross race bike, or a drop bar trail bike, 
> or an upright commuter, or a stripped down road bike. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Well, decision made here - a 58cm black/cream Sam frame is somewhere, most 
likely bobbing on the ocean, making its way to me.  The decision really 
hinged, not only on the good advice and info from people, but really on the 
question of sizing.  If my ~89cm PBH fit squarely in the middle of the 
recommended sizes/PBH's for the Roadini I might have gone that way.  That 
said, and it's been said before, a bike that fits well is a wonderful 
thing, the most important thing, and I have complete confidence the 58cm 
Sam will fit me perfectly, both in size and for the riding I do.  I also 
have a few more parts laying around for the Sam build versus the Roadini.

The only problem is I somewhat justified the new frame by thinking I had 
the discipline to part out my Cheviot, using the wheels and such for the 
Sam, and, somewhat predictably, I don't think I can do it!  The Cheviot is 
just too nice, too special...  So the future-Sam will attract its parts 
from a different bike, from the stash, from wherever needed or what appears.

Anyway, I agree with almost all of the statements and observations stated! 
 I do think the Roadini is a cool frame and could be built as almost 
anything.  But, at least around here, using the gravel roads when exploring 
is almost a given.  The good (paved) bike roads are many times best tied 
together with the gravel farm roads so there was that.  And I never could 
get completely confident with the Roadini sizing for me - and I admit I 
could very well be wrong on that.  Still, in my particular situation, the 
Sam won out and I am excited!  

Best to all and here's to great rides and adventures in the new year,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 9:59:22 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Don’t get me wrong. I agree that a Roadini with 28mm tires, fenders, 
> dynamo lighting, front low rider panniers and a not-huge saddlebag could 
> make an awesome stealth S24O or weekend sport touring rig. I have no doubt 
> I could pull that off. 
>
> The OP is in Galesburg. The bike I used to have stashed in a Galesburg 
> garage was a 1992 RB-1. That was a stripped down racing bike and it was 
> just dandy. It’s a nice 70-mike out and back to Oquawka, where you can dip 
> your front wheel in the Mississippi River.  A stripped down race bike is 
> all you ‘need’ for that. If I wanted to get onto the gravel farm-roads, I’d 
> want a little more floatation, I think. 
>
> It depends on what the OP wants.  Both the Sam and the Roadini are 
> terrific. It’s easy to underestimate the touring capabilities of a Roadini 
> and it’s easy to underestimate the pure road bike capability of a Sam. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca 
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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks John... That is good to know about the older 60cm Sam versus the 
newer (58cm) version.  Over the last few months I saw a 60cm Sam for sale 
and wondered if that was the way to go.  I dug up the old geometry charts 
and decided to just wait, thinking it might be just what you experienced. 
 Though I have broken the rule at least once, it seems more important on 
the Riv's to take into account whether the frame was designed with drops or 
upright bars in mind.  I think I came to the somewhat vague conclusion the 
60cm was tilted more to upright/swept bars and I think your description 
confirms that.

And I absolutely agree on finding the right fit.  I seem to have become 
more particular (or maybe just cranky and finicky) on fit but it occurred 
to me while I was browsing different frames and bikes that the Rivendell's 
fit and feel better to me than any other bike I have ever ridden, and that 
covers more than a few bikes.  

And congratulations on finding your bike!  It sounds perfect in both fit, 
function and fun.  I always say that when you are near or walk by your bike 
it should call to you, that you should want to go ride right then!  Sounds 
like your bike is exactly that bike...

Bob


On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 6:31:54 PM UTC-6, John Bokman wrote:
>
> I expect you'll love the Sam. I had a Sam (2009) that was, what I 
> considered, too large for me (a 60cm frame). Even though I was just long of 
> leg enough for the 60cm frame, with my 89 PBH, I felt too stretched out on 
> the long top tube. I could have chosen the (then) 56cm frame. Wish I had 
> done that. In retrospect, it would have been perfect. After 7 years on the 
> bike, I took off the parts and got a (new school) 58cm Sam. I absolutely 
> love it, and it's the ride I always wanted from the original but never got. 
> I'm right in the middle of the size range. It's one of the best fitting 
> bikes I've ever ridden. I load Sam to the hilt, and it's great for that. I 
> ride it unladen, and it's great for that, too. It's always carrying racks, 
> front and rear (Tubus Logo Evo and Tara, respectively, and a Nitto mini 
> front, always with a Ocean Air Docena front bag). It's a splendid ride. 
> Once you get a Riv that really, truly fits, it's bliss.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver Shifter question

[Bob Lovejoy]

I use that combination and love how they work.  That said, I have only used 
them for old-school 8-speed configs and don't have a ton of miles on any 
particular set.  That said, set up as bar top shifters they are the most 
accessible, intuitive and best tactile feel shifters I have ever used.  I 
currently use that set-up (Silver shifters + adapter + Paul Thumbies) on a 
Cheviot but have also used them on a Joe A.  I did not have the right size 
of Thumbies (the discontinued 26.0's) or I would have used them for the 
drop bar set-up.

Two caveats of notes are that Paul discontinued the 26.0 size thumbies and 
I have had times when it was hard to find the adapters.  I also have to 
tighten them every once in awhile but certainly not often.

Pics of the Joe cockpit in its original guise (using Bullmoose bars):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/21182339@N05/34036794636/in/album-72157682579281726/
   
>From my experience, they work extremely well, though I cannot say at what 
point they max on cable pull, etc.

Bob L.
Galesburg, IL


On Monday, January 1, 2018 at 1:38:50 PM UTC-6, RichS wrote:
>
> Happy New Year all!
>
> Has anyone on the list used a Silver shifter with adapter and Paul Thumbie 
> combination? If so, how did you like it?
> Thanks very much for your advice.
>
> Best regards,
> Richard 
>

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[RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Bob Lovejoy]

Sorry - and glad! - to resurrect this particular post... 

http://lovelybike.blogspot.com

An update from Velouria... nothing earth shattering but very real, very 
grounded, and made me nod in agreement and smile.

To a great 2018 for all,

Bob L.
Galesburg, IL


On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 4:11:11 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>
> Anyone have any idea what Velouria on rge Lovely Bike blogs status is? The 
> blog hasn't been updated in about 10 weeks; which is unusual. Maybe she's 
> taking a hiatus, on vacation or something, but it seems to have halted 
> rather suddenly with no warning. 
> I hope she's OK!? 

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[RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do totally agree.  The stories, pictures, reports of adventures and 
discoveries, those were and are the things I really appreciate.

I am just so glad to know she is ok, riding her bike, enjoying life even 
with the seemingly inevitable challenges and surprises that we all face at 
times.  I hope she keeps writing and hope as well she feels free to write 
whatever means the most to her.  It was interesting to hear her lack of 
interest in all of the new and muddled tech in the bike world as well as 
her going to film versus digital.  

Given time, luck, thought... our worlds converge. 

Bob


On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 10:21:01 AM UTC-6, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing. I am glad, cause I really enjoy the writing.
>
> I suspect I won't miss the tech/spec posts anyways. I really enjoyed the 
> stories and exploring the various aspects of cycling in her life.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lovely Bicycle

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Richard, 

Yes, it certainly caught my attention that she had been drawn back to film 
(versus digital).  And, yes, that does remind us of people (someone!?) 
possibly close by.  I don't believe it is just nostalgia, but I used to be 
very interested in photography when younger, with a small darkroom set-up 
in a closet, a Gralab timer in the semi-dakness, it all feeling like 
genuine creativity and discovery.  Once digital seemed to take over, it 
lost its charm, a push of a computer button to make the picture look as the 
computer thought it should, a hundred shots taken instead of a few, the 
deletion as instant as the creation.  The computer was probably right, but 
I just did not care... I think it is so cool that people are reclaiming 
things and ways they love, whether they make modern sense or not.  

I was just glad to hear she was ok...!  And people who ride their bikes 
because they love to, and live their lives simply and consciously, are to 
be remembered and valued.

Here's to finding our way this new year...  I might even go find an old 
Minolta SRT-101 or something, maybe an old rangefinder... well, just 
because... :>)

Best to you,

Bob


On Thursday, January 4, 2018 at 11:56:47 AM UTC-6, RichS wrote:
>
> Bob, 
>
> Thanks for posting this. Happy to see her back. I missed reading about her 
> riding experiences. 
>
> Interesting that she says she will be using film in her cameras. Does that 
> sound familiar?
>
> Best regards,
> Richard 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Bob Lovejoy]

Rod,

Congrats on the decision and the future new bike!  I, too, ordered a 58cm 
Canti-Sam (black/cream though I know the sage/cream will be beautiful as 
well) and am extremely excited for the coming build and rides.  It dawned 
on me that I have loved every Rivendell I have been lucky enough to own and 
ride (Romulus, Appaloosa, Cheviot... the Romulus now sadly departed).  I 
had always told myself if I found a cantilever Sam in my size I would do my 
best to bring it home but I always thought it would a used one.  When they 
announced the latest canti versions, I knew I was going to be in trouble 
but a trouble that made me smile.

It also dawned on me that I just did not care as much as I should about 
most of the new tech and changes in the modern bikes I was looking at. 
 Cool stuff said my head, yawn and so-what said the voice inside.  I just 
love riding, exploring, and being able to successfully work on and 
experiment with the bikes I ride.  I also love having Rivendell there as a 
resource and something of a place of refuge... a "storm home" to pull from 
an old Garrison Keillor story.  We vote with our dollars and our 
decisions... Here's to the continued success of Rivendell and all of the 
small bike companies doing their best to survive in this world.  Imagine a 
world without companies like Rivendell?!   No

Anyway, congratulations!  And congratulations for all of the reasons...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Cumil the Peeper sold me a Canti-Sam frameset

[Bob Lovejoy]

Rod,

I am assuming this one is valid: 
 
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

I think the one you were seeing is for the earlier (earliest?) versions.

Bob


On Tuesday, January 9, 2018 at 5:18:34 PM UTC-6, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> The only Sam Hillborne geometry chart I could find 
> 
>  
> didn't include a row for 58cm; I assume that they weren't made in that 
> production run. An updated geometry chart would be handy. In the meantime, 
> I assume it's reasonable to assume that the rear spacing is still 135mm, 
> and the TT will likely measure somewhere around 60cm. Other build-related 
> questions may suggest themselves shortly. Interpolating between 56cm and 
> 60cm geometry data to estimate 58cm geometry seems like a safe bet...
>
> rod
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

[Bob Lovejoy]

Well, I do know exactly of what you speak... I have a new Sam build coming 
up and though I am mostly/somewhat/hopefully committed to using parts 
already here - parts stash + parts from another build - I still find myself 
looking, lusting and considering other things I see.  

The good news is I have a pretty good collection of pieces and parts and if 
I can just make myself use the crankset I have, versus the one that is 
calling to me(!), and also forget about a new or different wheelset, and 
the tires, and, well you see (and know!) how this goes.

I would have to say "good luck!" on keeping that up for six months! 
 Obviously the best approach is come up with a plan and just let it be... 
The good news about bikes is you can change them later.  In fact, 
especially with a new bike, it is at times best to wait just to see how the 
bike evolves into your riding and life, to live with the bike for awhile 
and let it provide inspiration (or resistance) as to build directions.

But, I know... easier said than done.

Anyway, good luck and congrats on the future new bike!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: New Roadini or hang on to Sam

[Bob Lovejoy]

Here is (hopefully) a link to Bill's post that John referenced:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/9i5ROKi9ETs/gQjYkP6hCwAJ

And I thought it wise too, enough that the Sam path is what I will be 
taking.

That said, the 61cm Roadini (1TT) versus the 62cm Sam (2TT) might be a 
slightly different analysis.  One thing to certainly ponder is how the Sam 
fits you versus how the Roadini might fit.  I was right in the middle of 
the recommended range for a 58cm Sam versus right on the edge for the 
Roadini and I valued fit above most other things.  

I know, maybe not much help!  Good luck in the deciding though...!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL 

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018 at 8:19:03 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> Bill Lindsay posted some advice on this in a different thread, and I 
> thought it was very wise. I’ll try to find it when I’m on not on mobile. 
> Keep the Sam for now, and build it up with some light components. See how 
> you like it, and if you’re not a fan, get the Roadini and port the parts 
> over. 
>
> If you are looking for a faster bike, I’d prioritize some nice wheels. HED 
> Belgiums are great. Spend money on wheels before components. 
>
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[RBW] Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

[Bob Lovejoy]

Anything I know about rims is probably rooted too far in the past to be 
useful so I am curious about what people are doing and using.

If one were to build up a relatively light and fast wheel set, rim brake, 
700c, for 700x30-47mm tires, ~195-200lb rider with maybe 10-12 pounds of 
gear, something tough enough for unpaved trails and imperfect roads but not 
necessarily singletrack...

What rims/hubs/build specs (28 vs 32 vs 36h?, 2x/3x lacing?) would you use 
or have used with success?  Just curious as the suggestion has come up a 
lot (for lighter wheels) and my knowledge is limited as to what is now out 
there, especially for rim-brake wheels.  I know too that narrower rims can 
be used for wider tires but it would still be great to be within 
recommended widths, at least close.

Any help appreciated - and it might be useful to others as well.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hmmm... It occurs to me I have a little used wheelset that has Pacenti PL23 
rims (v2, black label, 36h, 700c).  They are currently on an older Raleigh 
I built up but they could be repurposed (though the rear at least would 
need to be rebuilt with a different hub).  That said, I don't know if they 
are strong enough, or if the repurposing would or should happen.  Research 
to do I think...  The good news is they are the new-and-improved (but still 
discontinued) version, but are stronger than the v1 / red label versions. 
 I know though that some of the newer rims are most likely stronger and 
more capable.

Bob


On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:01:09 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:...
>
> ...
> I recommend something with a welded joint for this duty.  The Pacenti 
> Brevet is a nice rim and the esthetic goes well with a Rivendell.  Weight 
> is 455 grams, so not bleeding edge lightweight, but pretty light, and 
> appropriate for the duty.  It's available in 28, 32, 36H.  Choose your 
> favorite roadie hubset to go with it for a fairly lightweight wheelset.
>
> Pacenti's site appears to be down, but here is Google's cached copy of it:
> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?variant=910380531732
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks to all for the info and suggestions.  There is much to research and 
look at, especially at the ones I know the least about, the HED's and H 
Plus Son's.  I have used Velocity rims for quite awhile so I am more 
familiar with them.

My first iteration of the new Sam will be using a truly nice (but heavier 
than necessary) wheel set I have, with the plan to eventually build 
something lighter down the road.  That said, the Sam will at least be shod 
with lighter tires (Compass Barlow Pass) and I know from experience those 
will be a big improvement over the touring tough tires I am prone to use. 

Thanks to all for the help.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks Jay.  Another worthy contender or possibility...

A general question for all though... Just to show how old fashioned I seem 
to be, I have always considered 32h rims a little less than truly adequate 
for a 200lb guy (a little less these days) with some gear and tools added. 
 I have always had 36h rims (even 40h in something of a mistake).  That 
said, I know wheels can be magically strong if built correctly, usually by 
someone talented, patient and practiced in the art.

The R460's seem to max at 32h, and I know others ride 32h, even 28's 
(front?), but I am curious... Are 32h rims, built well and strong, plenty 
for the above rider and scenario?

Always (over) thinking...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 11:48:46 AM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I've had a dyno-wheel built with DT R460s. In service for daily commuting 
> for a year and change now with no issues.
> +1
>
> Jay
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

[Bob Lovejoy]

I do totally agree with the idea that the skill of the wheel builder is the 
most important predictor of wheel strength and reliability.  I have and 
have had wheels built by Peter White as well as some highly recommended 
local-to-Denver wheel builders and you can just tell... a really well built 
wheel has a magic and strength to it that almost defies description.  And 
agreed too on the idea that the wheels are just as important as the frame, 
maybe even more so.

The only problem I have had is a somewhat natural inclination to try and 
build bikes worthy of those incredible wheels!  I have a set of wheels 
built by Ryan at Totem Cycles in Denver (highly recommended!) that are disc 
capable but use Velocity Atlas rims (36h, SON front / WI rear).  They are 
absolutely beautiful and strong - but the bikes I have built around them 
have never measured up!  Until now, though... They are now on the Joe 
Appaloosa, obviously ignoring their disc possibilities, but still, finally 
a bike worthy of the wheels.  The Joe is going into full touring and rough 
stuff mode and appreciably better wheels for it would not be possible, not 
for me anyway.

If I do find a way down the road, I may very well have a relatively light 
wheelset built for the incoming Sam but for now, I may just use what I have 
for it, and be content.  Just ride, as has been wisely said before... :>)

And here's to the return of potential riding weather here in the previously 
completely frozen midwest!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Saturday, January 20, 2018 at 8:39:29 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:
>
> Hi Bob
>
> I've found that whatever wheel components you pick, having them built up 
> by a good wheelbuilder makes all the difference, unless  you have those 
> skills yourself. 
>
> My wheels were mostly built by a friend who once owned a bike shop and 
> sold me my X0-1 and have held up admirably. When I ordered my mixte from 
> Riv I had my wheels built by Rich Lesnick; they were about 900.00 if I 
> recall correctly
>
> 32 front 36 rear, Velocity 650B with White M15 hubs , DT double-butted 
> spokes. 
>
> To my mind, wheels next to the frame , are the foundation of any fine 
> bicycle, so paying a premium for a skilled wheelbuilder is worth it to me. 
> I know that likely many on the list can probably build excellent wheels; 
> Mr. Lindsay comes to mind
>
> Good luck with whatever you go with.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ryan Fleming in Winnipeg
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Light but strong wheels for a Sam or ???

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks Jon.  I know they're not truly modern and light, but the wheelset I 
have for the Sam, at least the initial wheels, the ones I already have 
(bought and paid for long ago) have Mavic A719 rims.  And I totally agree 
that family of rims builds up strong and just fine.  The true touring and 
rough stuff bike gets the heavy duty rims (Velocity Atlas), the slightly go 
faster Sam (yeah, I know...) gets the A719's and at least light supple 
tires (Compass Barlow Pass).

It's the best I can do at the moment but I am happy and at peace!  And if 
funds fall from the sky, I can go take advantage of some of the other good 
suggestions here.

Still... peace and good, strong wheels are a beautiful thing!

Anyone know if the new canti-Sams have been safely delivered to Riv world 
headquarters?  Anyone have theirs yet?

Bob


On Monday, January 22, 2018 at 6:09:19 PM UTC-6, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
>
> I have built up a couple of sets of rims using Mavic A319. A very good 
> middle of the road rim that builds up nicely.
> I have had no problems, and they stay true.
> https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/a-319-j24500.html#1028=3283&1035=3501
> Jon
>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell prices going up.

[Bob Lovejoy]

Dave,

Agreed on everything you said... We do vote with our dollars.  When and 
where we spend our dollars equates in its way to, we vote for more of that, 
and unfortunately, in the zero-sum sense, we vote for less of whatever we 
did not choose.  If money did fall from the sky, there are several custom 
builders (known and unknown) that I would be talking with.  Until then, 
though, the Rivendells are exactly the bikes that interest me and fill my 
needs.  I have been one of the constant search but that seems far less 
important now.  Time to ride, time to explore, time to be more the rider 
than the never quite satisfied.

That said, my incredibly poorly timed good sense and austerity cost me $$ 
when the deal on Sam's and Cheviots appeared!  Seems that stubbornness cost 
me but at least it is all going to a good cause, something I want more of 
and for it to succeed.

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Thursday, February 1, 2018 at 9:37:03 AM UTC-6, Dave Small wrote:
>
> I have a couple of thoughts:
>
> I like well-designed and well-made steel bikes that are lugged or 
> fillet-brazed, are built for 1" threaded quill stems, and can accommodate 
> tires of at least 32mm and preferably wider.  Offhand I can think of a few 
> specific models from other companies that meet those criteria, but Riv has 
> a line-up of them.  My criteria describe Riv's core philosophy, despite the 
> relatively recent introduction of TIG-welded models.  The specific models 
> from other companies are about the same price as a Sam frame or are more 
> expensive, so comparing like-to-like, Riv is priced competitively. 
>  Comparing Riv to, say, Surly or Salsa or other mass-produced Chinese 
> frames, Riv is "overpriced" but Grant acknowledges the better value of a 
> Surly frame if all you care about is utility.  I want more than that (and I 
> own a Cross Check, so know the differences firsthand) 
>
> I respect entrepreneurs in general, what Grant's done specifically, and 
> I've been pretty heavily influenced by him over the past 5 or so years.  I 
> like what the company is about, I like the people who work there, and I 
> want them to succeed.  Grant's been open about Riv's financial woes over 
> the years, and I want to help when I can.  I feel the same way about 
> another small bicycle company with whom I have a closer relationship than I 
> have with Rivendell, and I also support them with my dollars whenever I 
> can.  This isn't altruism, but it's a conscious decision on my part to send 
> my dollars to people who fill a niche I believe in, who've been good to me 
> over the years, and whose success I want to *actively* contribute to. 
>  I'm not just a satisfied customer, I'm a loyal customer, and I get 
> satisfaction out of knowing that in a small way I'm contributing to their 
> continued success.  
>
> I love Waterford (and BTW, that's not the company I referred to above).  I 
> own 2 Waterford-badged road bikes, owned a Waterford-badged racing bike 
> that I recently sold, and own a Waterford-built Homer Hilsen.  I tell 
> people that Richard Schwinn must have a pot of magic-dust that he applies a 
> little of to each bike they make, 'cause they all ride beautifully.  All 4 
> are outstanding bikes, but that excellence comes from a combination of many 
> factors, especially build quality and design; it's not just about brazing 
> technique.  The craftsmen in Taiwan are just as capable as the Craftsmen in 
> Wisconsin, and I wouldn't foresee any difference in overall build quality 
> or ride quality between an identical model made at Waterford or in a good 
> shop in Taiwan.  The Taiwanese Sams and the Cheviot I have are just as 
> pretty and well put-together as my Waterford-built bikes, but I can't 
> compare them directly because they differ in design and purpose.  
>
> Based solely on price, I don't foresee ever buying a custom Riv.  There's 
> an excellent local builder who'd build a custom lugged or fillet-brazed 
> steel frame and fork with all the bells and whistles I'd want for 
> (currently) $2350 or less.  I'd go that route and get a bike just as nice 
> for much less than a Riv custom.  A lot of good builders exist who would 
> build a nice custom in the same ballpark of price, so in that respect Riv's 
> custom prices do seem high.  It's a good thing that custom orders aren't 
> their bread and butter.   
>
> Last and least, I'm glad I took advantage of the recent Sam and Cheviot 
> presale on the day they were $1000; that was a great price even then, and 
> as of today it's even better!
>
> Dave (yes, that's my real name)
>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Un-un-racing update: My first ever mountain bike race

[Bob Lovejoy]

Excellent work (and fun!) with the mountain bike un-un-race... yes!  That 
said, I am really looking forward to any forthcoming ride reports from the 
Sam brevet.  It will still be awhile before any such thing is possible 
here sigh.

>From the still frozen and now snowy (again) midwest...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 11:29:04 AM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Next weekend is another first.  It will be my 22nd brevet (200k or 
> longer), but it will be my FIRST on a 700c bike.  All my previous 
> brevet-distance RUSA events have been on a 650B bike.  It will also be my 
> first >100 mile ride on my beloved Samuel Hillborne, which seems bizarre to 
> me in reflection.  
>
> Randonneuring is definitely not racing, but it's definitely not 
> un-racing.  It's not un-un-racing like my mountain bike race this weekend, 
> so perhaps it's un-un-un-racing.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Bob Lovejoy]

I have no real take on the issues discussed, though they are valid and to 
be considered, from both and all sides... 

But, BUT!  I find it incredible that one could miss their recently stolen 
2TT, 62cm?, sage green, Rivendell Hillborne while walking anywhere close to 
it!  I know I sometimes miss the obvious but still... And for weeks?  Wow...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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Re: [RBW] Re: What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Bob Lovejoy]

Someone on a different thread on a different list mentioned Ironweed bike 
bags (made in Iowa!) and so I just had to go look.
http://www.ironweedbp.com/gallery.html

Well, on their gallery page, they have pictures of both an Atlantis (Riv 
content - check!) and a Moulton F-style, as well as others, to show off 
their bags.  I mean, how cool that they would have a Moulton of that 
vintage and showcased at that.

Though I know there are things that might come close, if Rivendell 
created/sourced/sold a Moulton F inspired city bike, there is no way I 
could keep from buying one!   "For real..." as friends here say...

With big and even smaller cities all the rage, and utility biking so 
needed, but with stairs to climb to apartments, condo's, etc. - I would say 
absolutely yes on something truly like the old Moulton F!   It would 
probably not be your only bike but under a lot of scenarios, it might be 
the most fun - and useful!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL   


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[RBW] Re: WTB paul touring Cantis

[Bob Lovejoy]

PM sent... 

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 11:25:04 AM UTC-6, Andrew Gammon wrote:
>
> As the title states, looking for a set of touring cantis. Polished silver 
> preferred but I can’t be fussy. Would also consider neo retros. 
>
> Cheers

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[RBW] PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

[Bob Lovejoy]

Seems if you really want a 56cm Atlantis, you might have some decisions to 
make (26" vs 650B).

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-and-bicycles

Also some Frank Jones Sr frames

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames


Ok, I check these things more than I should...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

[Bob Lovejoy]

There must be a new and lucky owner of a 56cm 650B Atlantis around as there 
was one posted, now not showing.  

Also, one of the rare, somewhat mythical, 59cm Frank Jones Sr frames was 
also posted, now also gone.  Maybe it was a mistake in the posting but it 
was there.
Seems I remember Grant mentioning he really wanted one so I hope he bought 
it.   Maybe he sat there thinking he could resist and just could not, like 
the rest of us at times :>)

Bob

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

[Bob Lovejoy]

Agreed I guess here's to a quick resolution of the cash flow issues and 
good people getting to ride their bikes without worry.  

Grant and company have had a real influence on how I think about bikes, 
riding, enjoying, all of it... and I so value that learning and those 
insights.  Credits are in my cart and maybe a few more things as well.

Bob
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:49:51 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> "Seems I remember Grant mentioning he really wanted one so I hope he 
> bought it."
>
> Given their latest cashflow crisis, it is MUCH more likely that Grant had 
> it set aside, and elected to release it to us to help solve the cashflow 
> problem. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Bob Lovejoy]

Maybe it has been mentioned but...

The "Hail Mary" option now includes $10/50/100 options, making >$10 
purchases all the more easy... 

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/featured-products/products/hail-mary-store-credit

And highly recommended!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto 32F, with front tab!

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hello Holger,

PM sent... Let me know if you do not receive it!

Thanks,

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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