Re: [RBW] Re: Expert level bike commuting strategies?

[Armand Kizirian]

I will provide two suggestions, the first, expected, the second, perhaps 
not.

1) Bountiful suggestions to be made as far as equipment goes. Mine would be 
to make all touch points on the bike, *luxurious. *Ever since I tried Rene 
Herse/Compass tires, I don't run anything else. I have had very good luck 
with flats, even with extralight casings. I am a very vigilant rider 
though, always veering around debris piles along the way. They have 
transformed both comfort and speed on my bicycles and anything else redacts 
the cycling experience for me. If you have yet to find a saddle or grips 
that make them disappear on the entirety of your commute, find what does. I 
will also say, if you can manage what you fit in your pannier on a basket, 
I find front loading makes the bike feel livelier. Not only is the weight 
centered, but if you get out of the saddle for more spirited riding, the 
weight stays isolated over the front wheel, shifting and swaying less than 
the wider arc swinging left to right on the rear, as it would with a 
pannier(s).  

2) Change your mind, or rather, your perspective. Get creative and make a 
list of fun games to play with your awareness on each commute. For today's 
commute I willlisten to as many birds as possible...find the brightest 
colorspay attention to at least a dozen trees I've never given a 
moment's notice beforebreathe only through my nosewave to 5 
different people with a smile for no reason at allstep into a 
storefront I've always been curious about...

...the list goes on and on. There is no such thing as the same commute, 
even with an identical route, every day. Have fun. :) 
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:01:46 PM UTC-7 Minh wrote:

> Hi Michael, 
> lots of great advice, i ride into Chelsea from Park Slope a few times a 
> month, i think NYC is just a whole different commute.  Have you connected 
> with anyone that takes your approximate route?  I know my stress levels 
> went down many levels once i figured out a a better route.   for me a 
> better route is not what google maps suggests or even what makes the most 
> 'sense', in some cases i take a neighborhood street instead of a bike 
> lane.   or i go oppoosite direction a few blocks to get to a less stressful 
> street.   
>
> start exploring and looking for little tweaks like this to lower your 
> stress level!   also if you are having to take the QBB, making that 
> crossing in and of itself is a big accomplishment!
>
>
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 4:56:27 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Agree with the QR wheels and easy-off/on tires, but I found unplugging 
>> and re-plugging dynohub connectors a very minor part of fixing a flat. 
>> Sure, SON spade connectors are fussy, but they're not *that* fussy, and 
>> Shimano's and SP's system -- a block plug that lines everything up -- is a 
>> doddle. I made a plug around my SON spades using Sugru. 
>>
>> And all of this from back when I went through most of 2 boxes (100 each) 
>> of Remas a year.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:25 AM Piaw Na  wrote:... (It 
>> also means no generator lights to make flat tire fixing easy ...
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sizing Down? Pocket ‘Pus.

[Armand Kizirian]

I ordered a 55 Platy in the last presale, was thinking of taking amtrak to 
pick it up in person and bring it with me back, Oakland to LA. Can someone 
confirm whether or not the bike will be accepted on the train without 
boxing it up? Please and thank you. Good luck with your Platycisions Leah! 

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 7:13:48 AM UTC-8 Edwin W wrote:

> I am with George. Once you have more than a certain number of bikes (a 
> number you are certain to have opinions about), one of them should be a 
> folder!
> Great for train travel.
> Great for guests (they fit all kinds of people).
> Great for conversation starter.
> Can be stored in a closet, attic, under the stairs, etc...
>
> Good luck!
>
> Edwin
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 8:16:07 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>
>> If I were in your situation I'd be tempted to get a folder.  PBH would 
>> not be an issue because they have very long seat posts.  Some models are 
>> equipped with more upright bars such as you're used to using.  They come 
>> with a variety of different types of gearing and ranges.  And, of course, 
>> they are step-though by definition.  That could be your travel bike and 
>> you'd be able to get around any issues that some trains have with carry-on 
>> bikes.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2023 at 3:27:55 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question that is probably only going to be academic. But maybe 
>>> not. I’ve done crazier things. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, I have an 81 cm PBH. I sized up to the 55 cm Platypus (PBH range 
>>> starts at 82 cm) and I love the fit. I adore my bikes. You can’t have them, 
>>> I won’t sell them, don’t even ask. BUT, they are long. Too long for buses 
>>> and for Amtrak. I desperately want to take Amtrak to Chicago with my bike 
>>> for the first time, but my bike is too long. RivSister Kate says she can 
>>> get her 50 cm Platypus on Amtrak if she undoes her V brakes and lets some 
>>> air out of her tire. But, I’m 5’6” and I don’t know if I could ride that 
>>> little bike. I don’t have one locally to try.
>>>
>>> Also, I’d want the lime olive, which would be very hard to find. Anyway, 
>>> thanks for participating in my thought experiment. That might be a real 
>>> experiment. Probably not. There’s likely a limit to how many Platys a girl 
>>> can have.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Armand Kizirian]

I have ordered an Ana Purple Platypus Complete in the latest presale. I 
have many opinions on the color. 

First, if you want safe, the Sergio green was there for the taking. 
Classic, timeless, classy, non-offensive, gender-neutral, and provides a 
neutral base color to accessorize with. Brown vs black saddle/grips? Both 
will work equally well. The metallic flake does not hurt either. 

Now down to the purple. I have mentioned previously here that I find the 
purple to be a bit flat and too saturated. These are my observations after 
viewing an embarrassing (not really, we're all bike nerds here) amount of 
photographs of Ana Purple rivs. Purple, is an incredibly dynamic color, 
given it can find many different shades as you add more red or blue to it 
(adjacent colors on the color wheel). Ana Purple seems to be smack dab a 
50/50 blend of blue and red, which, in my opinion, is *so-so* on the 
fun/originality scale. Add to that the dark shade of the saturation and 
it's a bit much! I mean, purple can (and often should) be loud. If it was a 
lighter shade to the point of lavender, it would not be as gender neutral.  
I personally think if some metallic flake (silver or other colors) was 
added with a hint lighter of a shade it would be much nicer. 

So, why did I order an Ana Purple Platypus at 12:01PM with the option of 
Sergio Green for the taking? Fun factor. Now, I'm a 33 year old male with 
some rather hyper-masculine features. I have no issue with presenting a bit 
more feminine (3-5" inseam short shorts please) and challenging gender 
norms. Coupled with the step through design, I'm sure I will get a lot of, 
"but isn't that a woman's bike?"...Confusing passerbys or challenging their 
idea of what type of bike a hyper masculine looking man rides is part of 
the fun. I'm sure I will come to appreciate it and grow fond of it overtime 
as I witness the color in different light and scenes. I also wish for this 
to be a bike that any of my friends, male or female, can ride and have a 
blast on. 

I plan on letting the Purple stand out in the palette. Yes I ordered a 
complete, but that is simply for my immediate pleasure before I strip it to 
the frame with my spec of parts. I plan on silver components, many of them 
Paul, which provide the opportunity to add little purple anodized accents. 
Think polished brakes/levers, but purple/black barrel adjusters or brake 
spring holders. Black leather saddle/grips with hints of brass here and 
there. Make a palette of complementary-ish colors and choose mismatched 
Nissen cable housing to match. Lots of little details like Forager cable 
cherries or fun bar tape in-line with the intentionally designed palette.

You get the jist, my designer brain will go to town on this one. Thanks for 
reading. 

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:58:46 PM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bill Lindsay, I was just catching up with this thread (always interested 
> in anything Platypus related!) and I have to interject; That is one pur-tee 
> Legolas. Looks like a shade of periwinkle on my MacBook.  
>
> More on topic - before purchasing a Platy I was thinking about a purple 
> Charlie Gallop - picturing it dressed out with black Honjo fenders and 
> black components. I was leaning for a bad boy vibe.When the final 
> Charlie protos dropped the swoopy top tube I snatched up a 2022 mermaid 
> Platy frame still in the box. Nothing bad boy there - but it is a sweet 
> ride and it has the sleek filet brazed middle stays.  And, BTW, Sheldon 
> Brown was wrong - a mixtie is NOT just a "ladies bike".
>
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_m.html#mixte 
>
> Steve
>
> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 2:50:53 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> All those colorful parts from your Clem on an Ana Purple frame?? Dooo 
>> iiit 💜🧡❤️💛💗
>>
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 11:04:10 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan, I KNOW. I’m starting to think the same thing. I can sell my Clem, 
>>> which is just not as loved as my Platypuses, and nearly all the parts 
>>> should transfer. And if I did, I would deck it out in hyper color. It’s 
>>> PURPLE. You can have fun with it, right? 
>>>
>>> “Which accent colors?”
>>> ALL of them.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 8:42:13 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>

 I remember that article. Gotta admit the Ana purple
 Is growing on me. Maybe Leah should snatch that 50
 Platypus 
 On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 4:21:41 AM UTC-6 ascpgh wrote:

> I'm OK with purple, I had a '93 XO-2 in a dark metallic purple. Grant 
> had a bit in the '91 catalog about colors (a Note About Color) 
> 
>  from 
> a time when anything NOT a dayglo color was a negative point against a 
> bike 
> model. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham 

Re: [RBW] Re: Anna Purple

[Armand Kizirian]

You can view BlueLug's own studio photography of the ana purple platypus 
frame here for another take: 
https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-platypus-frame-set-ana-purple.html 

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:01:37 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> You will likely need to swap out the stem but other than that most should 
> cross right over. Hold on to the Clem frame until you are positive that the 
> 50cm will work for you and there is little risk. If it works sell the Clem 
> and if it doesn't sell the Platy frame. 
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 11:38:54 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> 
>> I am seriously thinking of an Ana Purple Platy in the 50 cm size. I love 
>> my 55s but they are too big to take on planes and trains. I would have 
>> chosen the Sergio Green but I have mermaid already and I like it better. I 
>> don’t want two similar colors in my trio. 
>>
>> I was looking at purple Riv images yesterday and saw this one:
>>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> This leads me to believe the purple has a little more personality that 
>> what most of the photos show. And, I do know Ana and she has said her bike 
>> shines magenta in sunlight.
>>
>> If I do this, the parts from my wild Clem will get thrown onto this 
>> purple frame. And it will either be my best idea or a spectacular failure. 
>>
>> What I know it will be is this: a real riot of color.
>> [image: image1.jpeg]
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2023, at 10:00 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have ordered an Ana Purple Platypus Complete in the latest presale. I 
>> have many opinions on the color. 
>>
>>
>> First, if you want safe, the Sergio green was there for the taking. 
>> Classic, timeless, classy, non-offensive, gender-neutral, and provides a 
>> neutral base color to accessorize with. Brown vs black saddle/grips? Both 
>> will work equally well. The metallic flake does not hurt either. 
>>
>> Now down to the purple. I have mentioned previously here that I find the 
>> purple to be a bit flat and too saturated. These are my observations after 
>> viewing an embarrassing (not really, we're all bike nerds here) amount of 
>> photographs of Ana Purple rivs. Purple, is an incredibly dynamic color, 
>> given it can find many different shades as you add more red or blue to it 
>> (adjacent colors on the color wheel). Ana Purple seems to be smack dab a 
>> 50/50 blend of blue and red, which, in my opinion, is *so-so* on the 
>> fun/originality scale. Add to that the dark shade of the saturation and 
>> it's a bit much! I mean, purple can (and often should) be loud. If it was a 
>> lighter shade to the point of lavender, it would not be as gender neutral.  
>> I personally think if some metallic flake (silver or other colors) was 
>> added with a hint lighter of a shade it would be much nicer. 
>>
>> So, why did I order an Ana Purple Platypus at 12:01PM with the option of 
>> Sergio Green for the taking? Fun factor. Now, I'm a 33 year old male with 
>> some rather hyper-masculine features. I have no issue with presenting a bit 
>> more feminine (3-5" inseam short shorts please) and challenging gender 
>> norms. Coupled with the step through design, I'm sure I will get a lot of, 
>> "but isn't that a woman's bike?"...Confusing passerbys or challenging their 
>> idea of what type of bike a hyper masculine looking man rides is part of 
>> the fun. I'm sure I will come to appreciate it and grow fond of it overtime 
>> as I witness the color in different light and scenes. I also wish for this 
>> to be a bike that any of my friends, male or female, can ride and have a 
>> blast on. 
>>
>> I plan on letting the Purple stand out in the palette. Yes I ordered a 
>> complete, but that is simply for my immediate pleasure before I strip it to 
>> the frame with my spec of parts. I plan on silver components, many of them 
>> Paul, which provide the opportunity to add little purple anodized accents. 
>> Think polished brakes/levers, but purple/black barrel adjusters or brake 
>> spring holders. Black leather saddle/grips with hints of brass here and 
>> there. Make a palette of complementary-ish colors and choose mismatched 
>> Nissen cable housing to match. Lots of little details like Forager cable 
>> cherries or fun bar tape in-line with the intentionally designed palette.
>>
>> You get the jist, my designer brain will go to town on this one. Thanks 
>> for reading. 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 3:58:46 PM 

[RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma

[Armand Kizirian]

I've locked all my very expensive bikes without hesitation on a daily basis 
throughout different parts of Los Angeles, good and bad, for the last 15 
years with zero issues. Let's get a reality check here. 

1) The odds of a high security rated u-lock being cut are next to nill in a 
public setting. These often require angle grinders, which are loud as hell 
and shoot a stream of sparks 6-12ft long. 

2) If you're concerned about your components, secure them. Considering the 
exorbitant amount of $ we spend on our bikes, a $60-120 investment is well 
worth it. I utilize hexlox inserts in seatpost/saddle/axle skewers/stem 
bolt and can be at complete ease to know essentially superflous items will 
only be stolen off my bike. 

3) If you're still the worrying type. Hide an apple airtag or install a 
Knog Scout. 

Ride your expensive bikes wherever you desire. Stop worrying, or worse, 
building cheaper bikes to not ride your expensive bikes. 

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 11:57:45 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

> [image: IMG_3149.jpeg]I have the benefit of gated parking where I work so 
> I ride any of my Rivs as the fancy takes me. I’m in SoCal so ice is not an 
> issue. What I have done on my 700c Roadini with Rich built wheels is to 
> replace the QR skewers with Abus Nutfix locking skewers - there is a cap 
> that hides 8mm wrench flats, that can’t be pulled out except when the wheel 
> is exactly horizontal, so U locking the bike with them to the inside of the 
> bike rack means the wheels can’t be taken off. 
>
>
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 6:49:30 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Hello all. I find myself trying to make a decision regarding which bike 
>> to use as my commuter. 
>>
>> Background: I live in Indianapolis and ride my bike for a good chunk of 
>> my daily needs. I have a short commute to work which is done on bike 90% of 
>> the time. I usually work from 5:20-ish am to about 6:30 pm 3-4 days a week. 
>> The only days I don't ride in are if it's pouring rain when I get up, or 
>> the snow is too deep to get through. I could ride in the rain, and don't 
>> mind it on the way home, but already get up at 4:30 am and simply don't 
>> have time to change or mess with it on work days. I'm commuting on a 
>> Rohloff-equipped Surly Ogre currently and have put less than 1K miles on my 
>> car this year. We live near downtown and are a short ride to many things 
>> that we like to do. We often ride to ball games, art exhibits, concerts, 
>> dinners, drinks...you name it.  
>>
>> Dilemma: Now I warned you that this is a 1st world problem, but here 
>> goes. I have several Riv's and they are my favorite bikes to ride but I 
>> find myself on the Ogre more often than any other bike. I may accumulate 
>> more miles on my Rivs, as I ride a Toyo Atlantis as my all-road bike, but I 
>> do way more trips on the Surly. For some reason, I simply feel more 
>> comfortable locking up the Surly for 13 hours or outside of a music venue 
>> downtown than I do a Rivendell. In my mind, the Riv seems like more of a 
>> target for would-be thieves than the Surly and thus it gets most of the 
>> day-to-day duty. The thing is that I enjoy riding a Rivendell much more 
>> than the Surly and, after giving this some thought, had decided to buy a 
>> Clem when this latest batch of completes was released, and start using it 
>> for my daily driver. 
>>
>> However, after doing some math in my head, and realizing that I'd likely 
>> change a lot of the Clem complete build, I am thinking that I'd might as 
>> well ride one of the Rivs that I currently own. By the time I get the Clem 
>> to my door, I've spent $2500 with shipping and tax. I'd change the bars, 
>> add a saddle, add fenders, have the front wheel rebuilt with a dyno hub, 
>> and so on. I'd easily be into it for $3K or more. My Surly has a $1400 rear 
>> hub and is easily over the $3K mark. 
>>
>> I am lucky enough to have two Rivendell Atlantis and a Hunq. I've owned 
>> several others in the past as well. One of the Atlantis bikes that I have 
>> would fit the bill. It's the more recent style with the longer wheelbase & 
>> double top tube. These are super sturdy bikes that wouldn't mind being 
>> loaded up and taken to work. I've already got a wheelset with a dyno hub 
>> and a light lying around here somewhere. I purchased this bike for $3K this 
>> summer from a local guy. I didn't need the bike but just couldn't pass it 
>> up as it was so cool! 
>>
>> I thought to myself: I've locked up more expensive bikes at work for 13 
>> hours or at music venues until the wee hours of the night without issue, so 
>> why not just do the bulk of my riding on a bike that I truly enjoy riding? 
>> What am I saving it for? 
>>
>> Questions: Is my logic sound? Do you think that riding a nice Riv to 
>> work, to lock it up outside all, day in a city, is a dumb idea? Do you 
>> commute on a Riv that is left outside all day? 
>>
>> *I'd also like to use this as an opportunity to s

[RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma

[Armand Kizirian]

Leah and others, 

There are a plethora of cycle-specific products you can find that are 
designed to hide an airtag. A quick google search produced this 
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zutcGa73kbM

I personally use a generic "tagcozy" silicone holder that I've zip tied 
underneath the nose of my saddle, above the rails. 

However, I would spend the additional $$ and get a knog scout for all my 
future bikes.

On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 10:33:50 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:

> J - I like the idea of using the Pitlock skewers or the like. I've just 
> gotten so used to using a cable through my front wheel that it's second 
> nature now. I'm glad you're doing ok with your Chev in the city. 
>
> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 10:07:25 AM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> I've been leaving my Cheviot locked up with a single Kryptonite mini 
>> U-lock around the frame in NYC for the past few month since I started 
>> working there again
>> [image: 002062 New-U Evolution Mini-5.jpg]
>> I've got Pitlock skewers on my wheels so I'm not concerned with my kind 
>> of expensive dynamo wheel set. ...don't even run cable through them.
>> I should run some sort of permanent cable through my saddle loops to my 
>> seat stays to prevent my seat post and my 20-year old B68 from being ripped 
>> offWill do that next.  I think I can get a Pitlock for the seat cluster 
>> bolt that is keyed the same as my skewers..  *note to call Peter White
>> Yes, the U-lock can be cut, but I'm not leaving the bike out 
>> overnight...and I think where I park it , it would be pretty glaring if 
>> someone showed up with a angle grinder.
>> Maybe there's a better more secure option for the U-lock.
>> JS
>>
>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 8:53:33 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Armand - Hexlox are a good idea. My locking technique is pretty solid 
>>> too. Also, not worrying just discussing. It’s not going to keep me up at 
>>> night it just sort of dawned on me that I was riding a great, but somewhat 
>>> less enjoyable bike for much of my riding and leaving my favorite bikes at 
>>> home. I like your “just do it and stop worrying about it” mentality.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kim - That’s a good point. I’ll give that one a read too. I liked the 
>>> thread about not being precious with these bikes. They are both very 
>>> applicable. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Leah - Thanks for chiming in. After starting this thread someone posted 
>>> to yours about being precious with Rivs and pushed it back to the top. I’ve 
>>> read through that and it was exactly what I was looking for. You are 
>>> correct in that Ana and Pam are prime examples. You can add Dorothy in 
>>> SoCal, we’ve got Cody in Chicago, Patrick in Querque, Josiah in Missoula, 
>>> Bill in the manager’s parking spot, Luke in San Fran, Armand in LA, and so 
>>> on riding these things all over and locking ‘em up out in the wild. Count 
>>> me in. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 8:32:23 AM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Dorothy - Beautiful bike and thanks for the rec on the Nutfix. I had 
 heard of Hexlox and Pinhead but not these from Abus. Those crafty Germans…


 I’ve also heard of people putting a ball bearing down in the hex bolt 
 divots with a dab of super glue. I guess the theory is that it can be dug 
 out pretty easily once you're back home but would deter a would-be saddle 
 thief or the like. I’ve never worried much about this personally. 


 I do a fat U-lock through the rear wheel and frame, then a flex cable 
 through the front wheel. 

 On Saturday, December 9, 2023 at 8:30:28 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I love this advice the best. I bought the same Hexlox products as 
> Armand, and though I’m not in a high-risk area, so far, so good. I 
> started 
> a thread on this topic months ago after Grant wrote a post saying that 
> it’s 
> such a bummer to a maker when he sees his creation relegated to being an 
> ornament. (Not that you are doing that, OP, I know you ride your Rivs 
> other 
> ways!) All that work Grant poured into making bikes that are comfortable 
> and capable of life’s daily demands is wasted if the bike is “too nice” 
> to 
> be used. He suggests that you ride the bike you love, since that’s what 
> it’s meant for, but if it really grieves you to lock it up, get a 2nd 
> Rivendell and be willing. Pam and Ana are some of our best ambassadors 
> for 
> this idealogy. Ana rides a *custom* and yet uses it as her daily 
> driver!
>
> I do not have an Air Tag in my bike, however…That is a good idea. 
> Where should one hide it?
> Leah
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 7:34:32 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've locked all my very expensive bikes without hesitation on a daily 
>> basis throughout different parts of Los Angeles, good and bad, for the 
>> last 
>> 15 

[RBW] Re: Misc Campagnolo FS-front der, hubs, brakes

[Armand Kizirian]

Any comments on how the Veloce derailleur shifts? Piecing together a 
Platypus build, trying to keep it silver and classy, the Veloce there seems 
to fit the bill. Will be shifting a 42/30 Silver double. 

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:44:44 PM UTC-8 richdpow...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I am looking to raise some funds for the anticipated FAT bike purchase and 
> trying to go basic and see if it sticks in the stable. I’m down to two 
> bikes only. The FAT will be #3. Look for a few more FS posts soon. Paypal 
> is preferred to this address. Don't hesitate to get in touch with me 
> off-list with any questions. X-posted IBOB/RBW Offers are always 
> considered. Pictures at: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ngmnuqJEE45yzhJf8
>
>
> Rich in Des Moines  
>
> Campagnolo Veloce front triple derailleur- bottom pull 1 ⅛” clamp diameter 
> excellent condition $55 mailed
>
> Campagnolo Veloce road calipers- short reach (about 39-49 mm) pads in 
> great shape $60 mailed 
>
> Campagnolo Veloce 130 mm 8-speed road hubs silver 32-hole. 1994 or so 
> vintage. The set includes a 13-26t cassette in great condition. They are 
> used and in great shape. $ 95 mailed
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Ultegra 9spd long cage range

[Armand Kizirian]

A wolf tooth road link can help provide clearance for the larger cogs 
should you run into issues. 

On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 4:16:04 PM UTC-8 Andy Beichler wrote:

> I am running an 11-32 cassette with a long cage and it indexes fine.
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 6:47:48 PM UTC-5 codyt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have one with an 11-30 cassette and it works well.
>>
>> Cody, Chicago
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 5:42 PM dylan green  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jeremy - I was definitely hoping an 11-32 would be OK.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 3:35 PM Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>>
 Generally, with Shimano road derailleurs the short and long cage 
 versions usually had about the same max cog specification, around 27 or 
 28t. The difference was that the longer cage one had enough capacity that 
 it could handle a triple in front. 

 The general consensus around here is that Shimano derailleur 
 capacity/max cog specifications are usually a little bit on the 
 conservative side, and many have successfully used them with larger rear 
 cogs than those for which they were specified. If it were mine, I'd be 
 tempted to see if it could shift something like an 11-32 cassette. 

 -Jeremy Till
 Sacramento, CA


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 wrote:

> I have a 6500 series Ultegra RD with a long cage. Anyone know the 
> range of cassette I should be able to work with? I believe the short cage 
> can take 28, but I can't find the long cage max anywhere...any help is 
> appreciated!

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Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Armand Kizirian]

I'd say the "1" in the RB-1 and "Bridgestone" in the name Bridgestone is 
about the most desirable things out of that bike. Do a blind test with it 
and any of the exceptionally similar roadbikes from the era and I doubt you 
can tell the difference. 

I'd take the bike that the designer made with an additional 35+ years of 
experience (Grant). 

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 2:21:09 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> That very well could be. I'm sure there's a '93 Bridgestone Catalog 
> somewhere out there with the full specs. For some reason I thought that the 
> Superbe Pro were spec'd on both red and yellow versions but it could just 
> be the red one.
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that 
>> came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>> Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post, 
>>> Irving, the listing has been removed.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>>>
 If you're looking for something:

 - 57cm-ish
 - steel frame
 - wide tired, rim brake
 - in San Francisco
 - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
 - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 

 You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html

 Irving
 SF, CA
 On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
> have hurt so much.
>
> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current 
> Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most 
> cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  
> The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling 
> for 
> longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer 
> chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't 
> climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 
> 8-speed 
> STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). 
> Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with 
> Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 
> 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.
>
> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 
> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've 
> built up my Roadini to be.
>
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 
> brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>
>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some 
>> opinions here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous 
>> threads 
>> and I’m still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me 
>> $2000-$2200. The yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, 
>> but 
>> I’ve never ridden one. 
>>
>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. 
>> It was a 56 and a hair too small. 
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Re: [RBW] Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Armand Kizirian]

 Would love to join! I vote for Saturday the 17th, weekend + no 
interference with potential valentines day events. Monday the 12th can do, 
but it's a Monday! (even if it is a holiday) 

On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 9:14:36 AM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Yes!
> I was just thinking it was time for another LA ride.
>
> I’d be available:
> Monday the 12th
> &
> Saturday the 17th
>
> Thanks for suggesting it,
> k.
>
> On Jan 2, 2024, at 9:53 AM, isaac ramos  wrote:
>
> Sound great! Any of these dates work  for me
>
>
> IR
>
> On Jan 2, 2024, at 8:47 AM, Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
> Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in town 
> during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity for a 
> fun, super causal ride.
>
> Sunday the 11th 
> Monday the 12th (state holiday)
> Saturday the 17th
>
> What do you think?
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of the 
>> month, I'll do my best to be there! First one was a great time. Thanks 
>> again to Houston and everyone who came out. 
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>
>>> Definitely! 
>>> I was just thinking we should do this again this summer.
>>> I've met some new, not-on-the-google-group L.A. Riv riders to add to the 
>>> mix this next time too.
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:41 AM Bryce Dwyer  wrote:
>>>
 I am! Saturday mornings are best for me but can swing a Friday now and 
 then. There’s also July 3rd, a Monday that se folks may have off. 

 On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:13 PM Tony Lockhart  
 wrote:

> Anybody available for a group ride in July? 
>
> @Houston - Thanks for sharing the folder with photos.
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 5:08:28 PM UTC-7 tellyoutoday wrote:
>
>> This was a great time, thanks for putting it together, Houston. 
>> Really nice meeting everyone!
>>
>> Neale
>> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> So sorry to have missed this!
>>>
>>> Looks like it was a hoot.
>>>
>>> Let plan another ride soon.
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On May 28, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Ben Adrian  wrote:
>>>
>>> Super fun!
>>>
>>> A good pile of Rivs. A number of other cool bikes. Even two e-bikes.
>>> Great conversation, everyone was super positive. Total type 1 fun.
>>>
>>> See you all at the next one!
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:28:47 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 Great photos! I’ll definitely be at the next one. 

 On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> It was really nice meeting everyone today. Thanks for putting this 
> together, Houston! -Matt
>
> [image: 52930629896_37f8dac6c8_k.jpg]
> [image: 52931014820_aa47186b7d_k.jpg]
> [image: 52931069163_9fa788d6e4_k.jpg]
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:27:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Same here, see you all in a bit. 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 27, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Bryce Dwyer  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Hi all — on my way but will likely arrive right at 9:00
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith 
>>> for our LA Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or 
>>> not. 
>>> Originally, the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back an 
>>> hour to 
>>> start in some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we 
>>> can always 
>>> go back to the og time, just LMK.
>>>
>>> *As a reminder, here are the details:*
>>>
>>> When: 9 AM 
>>> Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont 
>>> Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90027 
>>> 
>>> Route: Loop around Vista del Valle to the Observatory around 10 
>>> mi with 1k ft. of climbing
>>>
>>> Optional Extras: If people want, we can throw in a pie stop at 
>>> House of Pies after the Observatory &/or add on the Hollywood Sign 
>>> climb 
>>> for folks who want to do some more climbing!
>>>
>>> -Houston
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:55:01 PM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm planning on attending as well. Also thinking about the 
 "single scoop" for the LA Invitational. 
>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: lowrider rack advice / recommendations

[Armand Kizirian]

I wouldn't trust two panniers riding on a QR axle. I know you said you want 
to maintain your front rack setup, but would be best do ditch it and go 
with something like a 
https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-big-front-rack-34f-silver.html 

On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 1:14:47 PM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you John! See, I knew at least one of you would remind me that such 
> a solution existed. Forgot about the Gamoh. I’ve actually used them before 
> to make lighting brackets. They’re original intent would suit my needs 
> perfectly it seems!
>
> On Jan 7, 2024, at 4:06 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> Hey Brian,
>
>
> Is it possible that a Mark's Hub Area rack would work? The only thing 
> you'd need to add is something like the Gamoh rack adapter 
> 
>  
> (bluelug.com) so that you'd have attachment points at the fork dropouts. 
> Just a thought.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 12:50:32 PM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:
>
>> Hi all! I'm looking for suggestions on how I can run some low front 
>> panniers on my 26" Toyo Atlantis that DOESN'T involve putting clamps around 
>> my fork blades, and allows me to keep the canti rack as-is. My issue is 
>> that my Atlantis only has one set of braze-ons at the *rear* of my fork 
>> dropouts. My options would be wide-open if only my "touring" frame had all 
>> the appropriate mounting points to live up to its potential... but I 
>> digress. I really hate the look and the thought of pipe clamps - always 
>> have. Also, this bike will have fenders most of the time, so that 
>> complicates things a bit as well.
>>
>> I own a Tubus Nova that I love, and hoped would work with this bike, but 
>> sadly it just won't given this configuration. I thought I would throw my 
>> conundrum out to the group to see if there's some solution that I'm just 
>> not thinking of.
>>
>> Here's a photo of my current configuration 
>> 
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Brian
>> Lexington, KY
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Armand Kizirian]

Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely be 
inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded by 
Rivendells, despite not owning one. 

Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups. I'm 
in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on the 
east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park could be 
great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez LA and pick 
their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. 

What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? 

Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then too 
:). 

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; got my 
> Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love to join a 
> ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans permitting). 
> Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo rider and 
> with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Hey folks,
>> Anybody free for an early February meet up and ride? Ted D. is in town 
>> during the week of the 12th, so this seems like a great opportunity for a 
>> fun, super causal ride.
>>
>> Sunday the 11th 
>> Monday the 12th (state holiday)
>> Saturday the 17th
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm interested. If the date happens to fall in the second half of the 
>>> month, I'll do my best to be there! First one was a great time. Thanks 
>>> again to Houston and everyone who came out. 
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 9:42 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>>
 Definitely! 
 I was just thinking we should do this again this summer.
 I've met some new, not-on-the-google-group L.A. Riv riders to add to 
 the mix this next time too.
 k.

 On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:41 AM Bryce Dwyer  wrote:

> I am! Saturday mornings are best for me but can swing a Friday now and 
> then. There’s also July 3rd, a Monday that se folks may have off. 
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 10:13 PM Tony Lockhart  
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody available for a group ride in July? 
>>
>> @Houston - Thanks for sharing the folder with photos.
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 5:08:28 PM UTC-7 tellyoutoday wrote:
>>
>>> This was a great time, thanks for putting it together, Houston. 
>>> Really nice meeting everyone!
>>>
>>> Neale
>>> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 2:37:54 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
 So sorry to have missed this!

 Looks like it was a hoot.

 Let plan another ride soon.

 k.

 On May 28, 2023, at 10:26 AM, Ben Adrian  
 wrote:

 Super fun!

 A good pile of Rivs. A number of other cool bikes. Even two e-bikes.
 Great conversation, everyone was super positive. Total type 1 fun.

 See you all at the next one!

 Ben

 On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:28:47 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Great photos! I’ll definitely be at the next one. 
>
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:08:04 PM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It was really nice meeting everyone today. Thanks for putting 
>> this together, Houston! -Matt
>>
>> [image: 52930629896_37f8dac6c8_k.jpg]
>> [image: 52931014820_aa47186b7d_k.jpg]
>> [image: 52931069163_9fa788d6e4_k.jpg]
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:27:54 AM UTC-7 chris@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Same here, see you all in a bit. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 27, 2023, at 8:23 AM, Bryce Dwyer  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all — on my way but will likely arrive right at 9:00
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:56:23 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 I'm looking forward to seeing y'all this Saturday at Griffith 
 for our LA Riv meet-up! All riders are welcome, Riv bike owners or 
 not. 
 Originally, the meet-up was for 8 AM, but I want to push it back 
 an hour to 
 start in some warmer weather. If anyone isn't cool with this, we 
 can always 
 go back to the og time, just LMK.

 *As a reminder, here are the details:*

 When: 9 AM 
 Where: Franklin's Cafe across from the Greek at 2650 N Vermont 
 Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90027 
 

[RBW] Re: Gravel King SK Nibs

[Armand Kizirian]

If it's not the actual tread you are talking about but the little hair 
strands of rubber, I would experiment with lightly passing a torch over the 
tire and see if that does the trick to remove them. Otherwise you can 
practice some patience and manually snip them all. 

Or simply, ride your bike. They will disappear eventually. 

On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 1:19:48 PM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Isn't Gravelking - knobs = Barlow Pass?  Not sure what winter riding looks 
> like where you are, but I do plenty of winter riding on file treads here in 
> the northeast.  And really, knobs only happen on my mountain bikes at this 
> point.  Further, knobby tires + fender + stick = over the bars.  Ask me how 
> I know.
>
> All that to say, it sounds like reverting to the Barlow Pass is your best 
> call.
>
> Will
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 12:00:31 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>
>> My Sam Hillborne (not canti model)  had previously installed Rene Herse 
>> Barlow Pass tires under Berthoud 50mm fenders.  Clearances were great, and 
>> all worked very well.
>>
>> For winter riding, I recently installed Gravel King SK 38's, but now I'm 
>> getting a rubbing buzz sound from the tire "bibs" brushing against the 
>> fenders.
>>
>> Has anyone experienced this and found a solution??  Other than new wider 
>> fenders, is there an easy way to trim the "nibs"??
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Armand Kizirian]

I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as inclusive as 
possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires / experience on dirt. 
(Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't wanna scare anyone off! The 
more the merrier. 

Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will post ride 
beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future visit. 

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:

> Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any kind of 
>> steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by flowy, 
>> Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of single-track 
>> with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, rocky 
>> parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. I 
>> know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, the 
>> path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  
>>
>> How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from South 
>> Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to Allez. 
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  wrote:
>>
>>> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort level of 
>>> people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, I love to try 
>>> out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to do 30+ miles 
>>> on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm super flexible.
>>>
>>> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of 
>>> getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you can 
>>> let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with Kyle. I 
>>> think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of town. I can't 
>>> speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.
>>>
>>> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
>>> mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
>>> anyday! 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>>>>
>>>> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the block.
>>>>
>>>> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down 
>>>> through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog at 
>>>> Walt’s is never a bad time.
>>>>
>>>> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly single 
>>>> track and fire roads.
>>>>
>>>> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>>>>
>>>> P. W.
>>>> ~
>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>> ~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will definitely 
>>>> be inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate being surrounded 
>>>> by Rivendells, despite not owning one. 
>>>>
>>>> Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large groups. 
>>>> I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places to ride on 
>>>> the 
>>>> east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la river/griffith park could 
>>>> be 
>>>> great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop by Allez LA and 
>>>> pick 
>>>> their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. 
>>>>
>>>> What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup ride? 
>>>>
>>>> Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by then 
>>>> too :). 
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurk

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Armand Kizirian]

The key here is to avoid the numbers, and focus on what the threshold is 
for *experience. *Let's investigate.

Weight is traditionally discussed for going faster, but we are all 
"enlightened" enough to know to not spoil our riding experience with such 
matters. However, there are merits to the *pleasure* of the riding 
experience being improved, as it relates to weight. 

IF one routinely rides longer distances, particularly with lots of 
elevation gain, weight should be *considered*, but not *fraught* over. For 
shorter rides, particularly with minimal elevation change, weight has 
significantly less *potential* to interfere with the pleasure of our rides. 
So far, these examples are equating pleasure with reduced effort. 

However, the merits of a lightweight bicycle *can *be thoroughly enjoyed 
even within a ride as short as a few miles, with zero elevation change. 
This may depend on how much we care to *engage* with the bicycle, through 
spirited riding. All these factors depend on where we ride, how we ride, 
and where are thresholds lie for what is considered a "long" ride or one 
with "lots of climbing" (read: mental/physical fitness). 

I will say that our intuition for what things weigh, is naturally, quite 
terrible. It is far too easy to unnecessarily weigh a bicycle down when you 
have convenient means of carrying personal items. When it comes to the 
bicycle itself, most are not technically minded enough to consider the *net 
effects* of choosing various (beautiful) parts in a system, that may or may 
not result in a bicycle weighing over 30, 35, or 40 pounds.  Lastly, the 
gyroscopic forces of wheels are a worthy consideration, in the pursuit and 
*feel* of a well-riding bicycle. Sensibly lightweight rims, tires, and 
tubes (yes, tubes) will make the most difference. Note that I have not 
listed hubs there, as they do not participate in the gryoscopic forces of 
wheels. 

I am currently conducting an experiment with my recently acquired Platypus. 
I have purchased it as a complete, which I'll be enjoying for some time. I 
will then strip it down and put an incredibly "balleur" build kit onto it, 
with significant weight reduction in nearly every component. For example, 
as it relates to this thread, I will be maintaining a 110/74bcd triple 
crankset, but will be saving half a pound even compared to the Silver 
cranks. 

My experiment is for the following reasons: 

1. To discover to what extent my Platypus can replace my drop-bar bicycle 
for longer distance riding. 
2. The value of a $750 build kit vs a $2500+ build kit as a matter of 
*experience.*
2. A fun experiment in seeing how light a commuter can be (no compromise to 
functionality by the way, front and rear racks w/ dynamo lighting and 
kickstand will be present) 
3. Lightweight parts happen to also be incredibly beautiful, well made, and 
in many circumstances, more durable and resilient. 

Thanks for reading. 
Armand
Santa Monica, CA

On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 10:51:28 AM UTC-8 Ron Mc wrote:

> The scalar involved here, 6 lbs, and 15 lbs, hardly fits into weight 
> weenie discussion.  
> But I do remember a thread about why some bikes feel faster.  Less energy 
> going into changing the rotational speed of components means more energy 
> going directly into drive.  
>
> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 12:31:30 PM UTC-6 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am not a weight weenie. I will take the beauty over the weight. I have 
>> enough low gears to not even think about. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> ...loving my beautiful retirement bicycle. 
>>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 9:50:38 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> It's interesting to view a moderately weight weenie thread on this list! 
>>>  expect Rivendell make their frames as heavy as they are largely to 
>>> avoid breakage and resulting costs of return or repairs; that's a guess.
>>>  
>>>
>>> But reviewers of even the Clem, which I gather from list discussions is 
>>> built with heavier tubing than the Platypus, describe it as feeling agile 
>>> and fast; I recall Patrick O'Grady's very favorable review of his new Clem 
>>> some years ago I can't find it right now but I did come across a surprising 
>>> number of positive reviews of the Clem in the -- well, perhaps not 
>>> mainstream but certainly not RBW-list media.
>>>
>>> I do think weight matters to how fast (or to put the same thing another 
>>> way, how easy to pedal) a bike *feels,* but IME it's not the only or 
>>> even the most determining factor, as some of the fastest "feeling" bikes 
>>> I've owned have been relative tanks, and even had rather heavy wheels, tho' 
>>> none had f+f+wheels. weighing 18 lb.
>>>
>>> But I've certainly owned frames much lighter than Rivendells that seemed 
>>> as able to carry loads and be durable and, in some cases, consistently feel 
>>> faster than the Rivs they replaced - tho' I've owned heavy frames that also 
>>> felt faster than comparable Rivendells.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 14, 20

Re: [RBW] OK to post non Rivendell bikes for sale here?

[Armand Kizirian]

Even if you could, who's going to buy that on here? ;) 

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 6:56:02 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> RMRose -  a Gus has taken the place of your  Ibis Mojo 3.  I love it - 
> good on you!   You might try listing the Ibis on BoingBoingShredSleds.com 
>   (I just made that up, please forgive my warped attempt at humor)  
>
> Seriously though, what could be more Rivendellian than choosing a Clem for 
> mountain biking?
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 11:54:01 PM UTC-5 CMR wrote:
>
>> Great bike, unfortunately off-topic, I can't imagine Grant on a carbon 
>> full-suspension!
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> 2019 Ibis Mojo 3, size large. Fits more like a medium. I am 5’10”. Riv 
>>> content? My Gus has taken it’s place.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 16, 2024, at 4:38 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>>
>>> You've piqued my curiosity - what's the bike?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 12:57:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 The moderator and others can correct me, but I think that if the bike 
 in question is relatively aligned with Rivendell tastes and might appeal 
 to 
 list members -- if it's generally Rivendellian in taste -- it will be 
 fine. 
 I would not post a FS for a modern CF road bike or downhill mountain bike 
 here.

 On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 10:41 AM Richard Rose  
 wrote:

> I am still new here & do not want to violate an rules. But, I do have 
> a bicycle that I would like to sell and thought others here might be 
> interested. I will not post here until I hear if it is acceptable. 
> Thanks! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver crank surprise and the weight of things

[Armand Kizirian]

@rmros...@gmail.com: The crank is a vintage middleburn triple road crank. 
Not really available anywhere. Nothing states the model either.  It has a 
highly machined spider and very scalloped arms. I'll be swapping the 
guard/42/30 rings from the Silver cranks onto it. 

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 8:27:12 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> To me, I don’t notice the weight on my normal rides and commutes, I have 
> racks and gear and pull a trailer everywhere so weight is what it is. I do 
> notice the weight when the trail disappears on a weekend trip and I’m 
> lifting the bike and all my gear over or pushing/pulling under down trees. 
> If I can save 12 lbs, I will have more fun on my trip. 
>
> On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 7:40:27 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This (to me) is especially true when mountain biking. The trails I like 
>> most have a LOT of short but very punchy climbs. The whole experience is 
>> one of doing intervals, blasting the downhills but gathering strength for 
>> the next climb. My road rides these days are much more chill, without any 
>> of the fast accelerations in the pack from my youth. Odd then that my 
>> heaviest bike is the one I ride on the trails. Alas & so it goes.:)
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2024, at 9:03 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>> What makes a bike joyous is not 1 mph, 15 mph, or 23 mph, but the 
>> dynamic changes between those velocities.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 7:25:57 PM UTC-6 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
>> NJ wrote:
>>
>>> Chris made some good points.   I am not justifying a heavy bike, merely 
>>> pointing out what you can expect if you take that trip & 'go down the 
>>> rabbit hole' wrt to reducing frame weight and overall weight including the 
>>> rims/tires.  You may not get your kicks on Rt 66 ('when you take that CA 
>>> trip...")
>>>
>>> Good point on wheels.   If you maintain a constant speed, you minimize 
>>> the acceleration and reduce the effect wheels have.   But real world riding 
>>> has a lot of acceleration , so lighter wheels help.  The biggest effect was 
>>> probably the change from STEEL RIMS to AL RIMS in rotational inertial.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 08:05:11 PM EST, Chris Fly <
>>> four...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> if you just look at the numbers, you can go down a long rabbit hole and 
>>> certainly justify a heavy bike.. I agree 1mph isn't anything.. what you 
>>> can't justify with numbers is what a heavy bike *feels* like when 
>>> riding.. some heavier bikes certainly can "ride light", but many don't in 
>>> my experience.. same with heavier wheels or tires, my 650b Hilsen with 
>>> Rich-built wheels and 42mm Compass tires do NOT feel like they spin up as 
>>> well as my Serotta with HED Belgium tires with 28mm Vittoria Corsas on it.. 
>>>
>>> I would never begrudge someone riding what they want to ride, but often, 
>>> heavy is just that.. heavy..
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 4:49:18 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, Woodstown 
>>> NJ wrote:
>>>
>>> During a appearance on The Opiniated Cyclist, Richard Schwinn stated the 
>>> following:  Reducing the bike weight by 12 lbm, increases your speed by 1 
>>> mph, given the same power input from testing Schwinn did.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 14, 2024 at 12:11:36 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> It will always have a dyno hub. I just can’t give up that kind of 
>>> practicality. I didn’t know Paul components would save me any weight but 
>>> I’m glad if they do. My Velo Orange levers were pretty feather-light 
>>> already though. 
>>>
>>> I probably do have the Platy set up as light as I dare, save the 
>>> drivetrain stuff from White Industries. And Richard has a good point that 
>>> all that money would only save me a third of a pound.
>>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2024, at 8:40 AM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does the raspberry Platy still have a dyno hub? If so that would be a 
>>> big gain as far as weight loss and lessening drag. Otherwise you have it 
>>> set up fairly light from what I remember about your posts. Paul components 
>>> will sure help shave some grams.
>>>
>>>
>>> When weight is brought up the first thing Grant would say is take weight 
>>> off the engine. Well I just took a massive amount of weight off the engine 
>>> so I feel that I am now free and clear to be a weight weenie about the 
>>> bike. :)
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[RBW] Re: ISO - Ron's VX30 or VX21 Small Fab's Chest - Who's Got One?

[Armand Kizirian]

Thanks Brad! I'll wait another week and see what other colors may pop up. 
Otherwise will send an e-mail to grab yours sometime next week. 

On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 1:19:40 PM UTC-8 jinxed wrote:

> Armand,
>
> I have a small olive xpac Fab's. I fitted my rack with it, and did a ride 
> or two before I had to sell the bike. It's as new.
>
> PICTURE 
> 
>
> Would like to get 220 shipped in the US.
>
> Drop me a PM if interested.
> Cheers!
> Brad
>
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello! 
>>
>> Wish to purchase one of these and see if it can serve as a single front 
>> handlebar bag that can be used across all three of my main bikes for hyper 
>> efficient bike camping. Seeking only VX30 or lighter fabrics. Show me what 
>> you got! Open to different colors. 
>>
>> Armand
>> Santa Monica, CA
>>
>> [image: dscf6613_1024x1...@2x.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto R10

[Armand Kizirian]

I have both a Nitto NR-20 and Nitto NR-21, which may suit your needs. I may 
be willing to part with one of them ;). They are brand new and unobtanium. 

On Sunday, January 28, 2024 at 12:15:43 AM UTC-8 Dave S wrote:

> https://tumbleweed.cc/collections/products/products/t-rack
>
> They also have the adapter for the fender mount that was mentioned earlier,
>
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 11:33:34 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for your collective wisdom.  I looked at it again and don't 
>> think it would work either.  And the R50 won't help much since I need help 
>> on the bottom.  I'll try Steve's coroplast idea to see if that helps.  I 
>> was trying to just have one big bag on this bike.  But when I carry stuff 
>> it gets heavy and sags.  I may add the coroplast and out a front bag on or 
>> just make sure I'm w/someone else w/more carrying capacity.  
>>
>> I never have a problem carrying stuff on my Betty.  I'm so used to having 
>> 2 big bags and a rear rack.  And then the sky is the limit literally.  That 
>> and the 50 lb weight limit of the rack or whatever it's supposed to be.  
>> But I won't go far with that much weight anyway.
>>
>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 3:18:12 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a link to a Nitto R50 Andrews Bag Holder:
>>>
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/18670-nitto-r50-andrews-bag-holder-rivendell-3797#attr=
>>>
>>> There is only one available LEFT ! ! ! 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 7:05:19 AM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:
>>>
 Pam, unfortunately your combination of chunky seatpost binder, 
 old-school seatpin and sandwich clamp, and the springs on your saddle 
 aren't doing you any favors in regards to freeing up what already limited 
 space you have. I seriously doubt the clamp for the R10 will find space on 
 your post. And, as others have mentioned, the design of the R10 would 
 likely dip down too far to avoid interfering with your wheel. It's a shame 
 there are no other braze-ons along the length of your seat stays. One 
 option may be to find a small rack like a Nitto Mark's rack, and see if 
 you 
 can find rack struts long enough to reach down to the rear dropouts, and 
 then either fashion a diving board to the brake bridge (where you have 
 your 
 fender clip mounted), or use another set of rack struts with p-clamps 
 around your seat stays.

 Brian
 Lex KY 

 On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 9:56:20 AM UTC-5 Steve wrote:

> Pam, you might try a trick I've used to stiffen the bag enough to 
> prevent sagging. Get your hands on a sheet of corrugated plastic - the 
> same 
> stuff that is used for political campaign yard signs (they should soon be 
> readily available for no cost ; )   
>
> Cut the plastic sheet to fit the interior width of the bag and long 
> enough to cover the bottom and extend up onto the front wall of the bag. 
> The corrugations need to run across the width of the cut sheet so you can 
> fold it to curve up the front wall. The sheet should be sized to fit 
> slightly snug to prevent it shifting around inside the bag. It's a low 
> cost, light weight solution that repurposes  bit of plastic that is 
> otherwise destined for the land fill.
>
> Your Schwinn looks like a sweet little bike in its own right. 
>
> Steve in Asheville
>
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 12:43:31 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Thinking about getting a R10 as a bag support - for a small Fab's 
>> Chest.  This is on my back up Schwinn.  I set it up just like my Betty 
>> Foy 
>> in case I ever need any parts.  Concerns are that I have a 26.6 seatpost 
>> and it says 26.8.  I guess I could get a shim.  Would it hold?  How much 
>> is 
>> the weight limit for the rack?  And I'm not sure if I have enough seat 
>> post 
>> to put the clamp.  Right now, I have the pec dec but if I put too much 
>> in 
>> the bag, it starts to sag and I don't want it dragging on the tire.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Mainstream press article pushing steel bike?

[Armand Kizirian]

Love it. I literally laughed out loud at the *" Have you looked at a 
Pinarello Dogma lately? It looks like it’s melting." *Hahaha


On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 3:56:01 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I might argue that he is mainstream. Of all the cyclist there are, how 
> many actually race? His take is at the very least, interesting. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 29, 2024, at 4:00 PM, DavidP  wrote:
>
> I may have had a similar reaction when the article first came up in my 
> feed but then I saw the byline.
>
> This is Eben Weiss, BikeSnobNYC. He's a regular contributor to Outside but 
> he is in no way a mainstream cyclist (more Riv/Bob-ish) and his articles 
> stand out as a bit different to most of what shows up there. 
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 3:13:21 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.outsideonline.com/culture/opinion/theres-no-good-reason-to-buy-a-carbon-bike/?fbclid=IwAR2uIwBwz29AqiFhiVs5TTjdXw2HDNApUOMVh51foKzayEp1u_vB5UMltqU
>>
>> Never thought I'd see this.
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[RBW] Re: Schmidt Dyno

[Armand Kizirian]

Use your judgement? What's it worth to you? List it for sale, do you get 
any bites? Only lower offers? Purchased immediately? All information to 
dictate your choice. Err on the side of high if you really require the 
funds. 

To summarize, it's not an exact science, and what anyone else will tell you 
on here, is highly subjective. 

On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 12:15:49 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:

> Y'all, seeking collective wisdom.
>
> What's a new Schmidts K179 6V-3W Dyno hub worth? 
>
> I have one 4 sale, it's takeoff with no evidence of wear / tear @ 32 hole. 
> Not NOS but might a well be.
>
> Best / Jock
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report - Santa Monica to Santa Barbara Century

[Armand Kizirian]

Congrats! Love seeing people knocking out centuries with swept back bars. 
Looking forward to seeing what I can do on my Platypus (almost done 
building!). There is the LA Rivendell ride planned on the 17th, come by! 

Armand
Also in Santa Monica

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:30:41 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:

> Part 2:
>
> 50 miles turned into 60, and 60 inched toward 70, and I knew if I got to 
> 80 I'd be too close to 100 to stop.
>
>
> It was hoot. I felt good. Tired but not exhausted. Sore, but with none of 
> the chaffing and agony I thought I might expect.
>
> More a matter of not stopping than pushing through a wall.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3390.jpg]
>
> I was also surprised by how much of the distance was covered on dedicated 
> bike paths along the way. They were numerous and well isolated for long 
> stretches, and when they were non existent, they were most often connected 
> by a frontage road.
>
> I ate some bugs. I ate some almond croissants.
>
> The coast gave way to foothills just before dropping down into Santa 
> Barbara, and just as the mini van pulled up behind me. I sent them on ahead 
> to meet up with me after the last 8 miles of the ride.
>
> [image: IMG_3364.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_3393.jpg]
>
> (That's 103 not 3)
>
> [image: IMG_3408.jpg]
>
> Here I am, proud of myself. I don't think I expected to go the full 
> distance really.
>
> Always feels good to accomplish something new.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3435.GIF]
>
> The cheering crowds were of course overwhelming.
>
>
> No flats or slow leaks on the Snoqualmie Passes.
>
> The Hillborne preformed like the absolute champ we know it to be.
>
> I have insoles in my vans, but could feel how a stiffer soled shoe would 
> help on long trips like this one.
>
>
> Overall a fantastic Southern California ride.
>
>
> Keith Paugh
>
> Los Angeles, CA
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 9:26:56 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> 1.27.24
>>
>> Perhaps excepting an invitation to a Century ride was overly optimistic. 
>> I haven’t ridden more than 35 miles at once in recent memory - Maybe the 
>> proposition should have given me pause, but a foolhardy challenge is just 
>> what we need to feel slightly nervous about from time to time.
>>
>> The plan was to ride from our homes here in Los Angeles to Santa Barbara 
>> on a route exactly 100 miles away. A “Pier to Pier” ride, from the Santa 
>> Monica Ferris Wheel to Stearns Wharf on the other end.
>>
>> Hugging the coast, we would follow a “mostly” flat course, with about 
>> 2,900 ft of elevation gain over the entire distance. 
>>
>> Not without any climbing, but predominantly gradual climbing, of short, 
>> and rolling hills along the Pacific Coast Highway.
>>
>> It was fun to think about what food to bring for an average of 200 - 300 
>> calories per hour of riding. 
>>
>> I tried out Tailwind, a hydration drink mix "with electrolytes and 
>> calories."
>>
>> I had two bottles, one with water, and one with Tailwind in them at any 
>> given time. I definitely think it helped to mix “drinking” calories as well 
>> as eating them.
>>
>> Laying everything out the night before my kids were impressed with the 
>> proposed undertaking. I had to manage expectations and tell them my goal 
>> was reaching half the distance.
>>
>> The group met at 4:45 in the morning so we could be on the road by 5:00. 
>> Most of my cycling friends are younger, more frequent and thus stronger 
>> riders than I am, and several announced they were now planning to not only 
>> ride the 100 miles to Santa Barbara, but now also ride back. They laid 
>> out a brisk pace with brief stops to get them to the finish with ample time 
>> for their return trip.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3372.jpg]
>>
>> Riding early by bike light is always a treat. Devoid of its usual measure 
>> of traffic, Los Angeles is a different town in the dark, and your required 
>> level of city-riding spatial vigilance can relax to a pleasant degree. 
>>
>> It was cool out but not cold, and I took off my riding jacket early on.
>>
>> I had hemmed and hawed about cutting the zip ties on my racing basket and 
>> leaving it behind... In the end, I recognized whatever loss in aerodynamics 
>> was going to be negligible for me, and having a place to shed layers and 
>> plastic bags of dry roasted peanuts was a welcome convenience.
>>
>> The stretch of PCH in Santa Monica is one of the few that doesn’t have an 
>> ample shoulder for bikes to stay out of the right lane. We rode in a 
>> column, pulling each other along in a stream till we reached the hills at 
>> Pepperdine University.
>>
>> I’ve learned I can climb most things if I gear down to where I can keep 
>> my legs loose, put my head down and not watch how far off the top is. This 
>> also requires not trying to “keep up,” so I tried to convince my friends 
>> not to wait and to go on ahead.
>>
>> They were reluctant, but eventually yielded.
>>
>> A relief in some ways. I love to chug along and stop whenever I want to 
>> take pictur

Re: [RBW] Re: Why baskets and front bags instead of rear panniers or perfect Rivendell saddlebags?

[Armand Kizirian]

Best is both worlds! A 137 up front with either my swift sugarloaf or 
shopsack and 1 or 2 panniers in the rear. About all one could ask for with 
nearly all day-long commuting or utilitarian purposes. I scored the most 
recent version of an Ortlieb Vario off eBay. That has been the ultimate 
solution. As much as I despise the hyper-engineered materials and 
manufacturing processes, they have come up with a design so good that it 
has reduced my resistance to some rides previously (needing a backpack, but 
not wanting to carry one, and not wanting to put it awkwardly in a basket, 
or another pannier). I've gotten it down to maybe 3-5 seconds to switch 
between pannier and backpack. What seals the deal, is that it holds weight 
*exceptionally 
well* as a backpack and is very comfortable, which I think no other 
convertible backpack/panniers previously do very well. I use it every day 
and carry significant weight of a mobile office into a co-working space. 
Even if I paid full price, the value is very much there for me. 

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:51:20 PM UTC-8 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> There's no right or wrong way to carry your gear. Front baskets and bags 
> are convenient for quick-grab city use. I also prefer the way bikes handle 
> with front weight. A lot of us can't stand that tail-wiggle that comes from 
> overloaded rear panniers. I know that I would rather do a Costco run or 
> carry my cornhole boards on a front rack with bungee cords. I have tried it 
> all and I will never ride with rear saddlebags again unless I'm on a long 
> tour and my my handlebar-mounted Large Fabios's Chest, Swift Industries Jr. 
> Ranger Panniers attached to my Pass and Stow rack, Rogue Panda Frame bag 
> and BagsXBird Goldback medium saddlesack don't provide enough storage space 
> for me. 
>
> It seems like the OP is quite attached to rear panniers because it suits 
> his personal riding style. From the tone of the responses to some of the 
> replies, OP is looking for either validation or to be convinced that there 
> is a BETTER way to ride/load. But bikes are so deeply personal. That's why 
> we ride and tinker and convert and trade. So we can find the bike style and 
> set-up that suits us best. I personally can't stand rear-weight, simply 
> because of "how it feels." TAIL-WIGGLE is like nails on a chalkboard to me. 
> I also love the aesthetics of high-mounted front loads, I just find it more 
> pleasing to look at. 
>
> Final point: I don't think that The Everyman rides Rivendells. Folks who 
> can afford these bikes are a privileged few, and many of us have spent 
> YEARS tinkering, switching out racks, switching out bags, saddlebags, 
> Fabio's Chests, Carradice bags, etc. etc. So the fact that so many 
> Rivendell-listers choose to ride with front baskets and bags means that 
> through trial and error, we have decided that it works better for us and it 
> "feels better." NOT saying it IS better, even though I feel just as 
> strongly about front-loading as OP does about rear-loading. But if we all 
> rode the same way, how boring this would all be and how would I be able to 
> pick up cheap niche bike gear at a discounted rate when all you indecisive 
> Riv Riders decide that "PAUL BRAKES ARE OUT AND V-BRAKES ARE IN!!!" or 
> "BROOKS SADDLES ARE OVERRATED. I NEED A BERTHOUD!!!"
>
> (And babies like riding in front-baskets)
>
>
> [image: 0-1.jpg][image: IMG_5539.jpg][image: IMG_7392.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 5:26:41 PM UTC-8 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I have basically the same reasoning as Ian, and also live in a city and 
>> dont want to leave bags on my bike when I lock up, plus i like my daily bag 
>> to not look too bikey (I use the shopsacks). Convenient and easy, easier to 
>> pile up with whatever shit i want, take a jacket or sweater off if i get 
>> hot, sling my lock into it. Does it affect handling? yep, but i dont really 
>> mind that much for riding around town. If my situation was different maybe 
>> id do things differently, but I tend to like having a at least a small 
>> basket available for an around town bike. I like the way it looks too.
>>
>> -stephen
>>
>> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 7:47:17 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> IMO, baggage ought to complement the handling characteristics of the 
>>> bicycle. My benchmark idea of handling has been formed by 30 years of 
>>> riding Rivendells which, IME, do best with rear loads, or at least loads 
>>> biased toward the rear and not the front.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 5:18 PM ian m  wrote:
>>>
 I'm not sure how it makes more sense to put a bag into another bag than 
 into a baske
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Brake cables and housing

[Armand Kizirian]

I find applying Rock n Roll cable magic during major maintenance extends 
life of cables/housing dramatically. I change cables/housing every 4-8 
years, some of my bikes with heavy usage and stored on the back of my van 
next to the ocean for a majority of the year. 
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=rock+n+roll+cable+magic

On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 1:12:24 PM UTC-8 Sean, PNW wrote:

> In an effort to reduce waste and increase reusability, I've been 
> transitioning the bikes in my stable to aluminum fish bone link housing 
> 
>  
> which can be used again again by simply replacing the cable and liner 
> .
>
> It was suggested in this iBob thread 
> , 
> and while not a panacea, is handy for those of us who often reconfigure 
> bikes/cockpits/etc.
>
> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 12:38:42 PM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> Thanks for kind words, doremus1. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 5:04 PM aeroperf  wrote:
>>
>>> Every 5000 miles the cables on my Sam get cleaned and lubed with Phils 
>>> Tenacious Oil.
>>>
>>> John Dewey - that is an outstanding photograph.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rapid rise derailleur rec

[Armand Kizirian]

If anyone has a *silver* xtr RD-m960 please message me for an easy sale. 

On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 10:26:57 PM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Thank you to everyone for your sound advice. I have ordered a few NOS 
> derailleurs to give them a try.
> Best,
> Rob
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 1:16 AM John Dewey  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the clarification, Robert. 
>>
>> It's nice to have someone with the *actually* f*actual* cred chime in. 
>> And also delighted to know that I'm not wasting all that effort as I put 
>> the horse up at the end of the day.
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 7:19 PM Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a metallurgist and licensed PE - relaxing RD spring absolutely 
>>> extends spring life.  
>>>
>>> OP's question - Microshift R10 (made by Sun XCD)
>>>
>>> https://www.charlottecycles.com/product/microshift-r10-rear-derailleur-377496-1.htm
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 11:08:38 AM UTC-6 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 BTW, another little 'pro' tip 🙃

 When you put your bike up, release tension on RD by shifting to the end 
 so that spring is relaxed. For sure, I have no empirical evidence this 
 extends spring life / strength, but it can't hurt, right?

 Jock

 On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 8:56 AM John Dewey  wrote:

> Robert, I've been shifting with XT M760 RR on JD bikes for many years. 
> No derailleur envy or interest in experimenting with other systems. I 
> collected them and so very happy I did. They were plentiful and 
> reasonably 
> priced...until they weren't.
>
> Grant is now building RR rear mechs, too, as I bet y'all know. It's 
> beneficial to have the power going up the cassette when you need the 
> extra 
> juice.
>
> BTW, YMMV...but I'm not so good at shifting back & forth, i.e. moving 
> from RR / normal / RR / normal. I find it difficult to switch habits.
>
> Jock
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:05 AM Robert Blunt  wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I was wondering if anyone could make a recommendation on which 
>> Shimano 9 speed rapid rise derailleur you have had the best experience 
>> with 
>> and which has sufficient amounts of silver on it to look ok.
>> Robert Blunt
>> Pennington NJ
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[RBW] Re: Armand’s Garage Sale Extravaganza Part 1/2: Nitto, Paul, White Ind, Silver, Shimano, Herse, & More!

[Armand Kizirian]

Updates to inventory below. Thank you all for your interest! My Platypus 
will be pleased. ;) 

*Hard Goods:*

   - New take-off Silver cranks 172mm - includes original new chainring 
   bolts, new steel 28t inner ring, and used Middleburn chainrings - 
   50/44/28t? (will have to confirm tooth count) - $180
   - Tubus Airy Titanium rear pannier rack - new - over $400 new, weighs 
   360g and holds 57lbs (view photos for tire clearance w/ 48mm tires on my 
   Platypus) - $350
   - White Industries 68x113mm SS bottom bracket - Less than 50 miles, some 
   blemishes on the lockring, otherwise spins like new. $110 
   - Paul QR Skewers - Purple - New in box never mounted - $200 ($216 + 
   tax/shipping new) 
   - Ultradynamico Cava race tires - 27.5 x 2.2?” - 100% new - Typically 
   $180+ to your door - $160 - *PRICE DROP TO $150*
   - Nitto “T” Bottle Cage - New in box - $60 - *Price drop to $50*
   - Shimano Ultegra 9-speed CS-6500 Cassette - 12-27t - Excellent used 
   condition, no “mushrooming” on the edges of the engaged teeth present - $40
   - MKS Gamma/Monarch Pedals, Silver, WITH black Rivendell side-step 
   extensions - new in box - $75 *PENDING*
   - Maxxis 26 x 2.3” DTH Tires - Less than 25 miles - Ultra rare light 
   skin tanwall that has been out of production for several years - 
   lightweight, smooth rolling, and great looking - $75 pair
   - Rene Herse front cable hangar - grooved ferrule version - New never 
   mounted - *SOLD*
   - Kryptonite Mini+ evolution U-lock w/ wheel extension - like new - 
   *SOLD*
   - Dura Ace 7410 titanium crank arm bolts - excellent condition - $25
   - King cargo cage (without the box ) - *SOLD*
   - Pletscher Edge Kickstand - signs of use, hard to find - $25 *PENDING*
   - Simworks Nekome fender reflector - $5
   - Tange square taper bb - 68x103mm - NEW - *SOLD*
   - Koolstop thinline threaded pads x4 - black - new - *SOLD*
   - Niterider Lumina 550 headlight - Very little use over the years, 
   mostly stored with an appropriate level of charge for good battery health - 
   some dust from burning man on there (no charge ;) - $25

*Soft Goods:*

   - Patagonia Men’s Houdini windbreaker jacket - size medium, grey - 
   slight tear on the inside chest pocket, does not effect the main body 
   fabric. amazing piece that weighs and packs down to nothing! Only selling 
   because I bought another one - *PENDING*
   - Mission Workshop Torre Merino Wool Hoodie Black - size medium - 
   Midweight 100% merino wool sweater, amazing piece in excellent condition 
   but a very trim fit, would recommend it if you are a small/extra small or 
   are a medium but want an on-the-body fit - $100
   - Ornot tech shirts - size medium dark grey and “mars” red - very unique 
   fabric but has some superficial peeling all around - $45 for 2
   - Ornot Mission shorts - red - size 30 - Like new, no signs of use - $75 
   *PENDING*
   - Ornot Mini handlebar bag + seat bag - fun “nordic” color - new w/ tags 
   - $60
   - Brooks Dalston Medium lime-olive backpack - new in bag and very 
   stylish/handsome/well-made - costs $207 new - $125



On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 1:58:43 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Greetings fellow Riv lovers! 
>
> Looking to put a dent into my Platypus build costs. Offloading lots of 
> premium goods here I’ve collected from over the years. Another sale will 
> come at the end of the month with another round of goods once I’ve 
> finalized some (re)builds of my bikes. 
>
> *Prices include shipping, discounts for multiple item purchases or local 
> pick-up. Since there are some smaller items, let’s do a minimum of $30 to 
> make shipping worthwhile. *Updated stock will be reflected in my posts in 
> the thread. Can do PayPal or Venmo, tack on the 3% if you want buyer 
> protection.
>
> *View detailed photos here in my dropbox. 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>*
>
> *Hard Goods:*
>
>- New take-off Silver cranks 172mm - includes original new chainring 
>bolts, new steel 28t inner ring, and used Middleburn chainrings - 
>50/44/28t? (will have to confirm tooth count) - $180
>- Tubus Airy Titanium rear pannier rack - new - over $400 new, weighs 
>360g and holds 57lbs (view photos for tire clearance w/ 48mm tires on my 
>Platypus) - $350
>- White Industries 68x113mm SS bottom bracket - Less than 50 miles, 
>some blemishes on the lockring, otherwise spins like new. $110
>- Paul QR Skewers - Purple - New in box never mounted - $200 ($216 + 
>tax/shipping new)
>- Ultradynamico Cava race tires - 27.5 x 2.2?” - 100% new - Typically 
>$180+ to your door - $160
>- Nitto “T” Bottle Cage - New in box - $60
>- Shimano Ultegra 9-speed CS-6500 Cassette - 12-27t - Excellent used 
>condition, no “mushrooming” on the edges of the engaged

[RBW] Re: Susie Build

[Armand Kizirian]

Congratulations! Looks ready to make some great memories. 

Looks like grips are some Ergon's wrapped in newbaums?

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> There is nothing quite like the look of a fillet-brazed ATB. Beautiful 
> build.
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 6:21:32 PM UTC-5 DTL wrote:
>
>> That is a handsome bike!
>> Did you set the Cliffhangers up tubeless? If so how did it go?
>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:23:06 AM UTC+11 Ben Hannon wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a susie frame from a group member here so I figured I'd share 
>>> the end product.
>>>
>>> Wolbis Slugstone 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Part list:
>>> Teravail 2.5/2.6 knobbies
>>> velocity cliff hangers
>>> shutter precision dynamo front hub
>>> shimano something or other rear hub
>>> thomson masterpiece setback
>>> brooks b72
>>> nitto fillet faceplater 80mm
>>> uncle rhondas upright bath bars
>>> sugino crank 175mm with 36/26 
>>> dura-ace 2 by FD
>>> altus RD
>>> jim 7 speed casette
>>> riv shifters
>>> deore.v brakes
>>>
>>> Also, if anyone has a fillet faceplater in 10 and wants to trade for 8 
>>> let me know!
>>>
>>> Ben in Chicago
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie Build

[Armand Kizirian]

Also, the 25.4 faceplater had no issues clamping that 26.0 handlebar?

On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 5:59:18 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Congratulations! Looks ready to make some great memories. 
>
> Looks like grips are some Ergon's wrapped in newbaums?
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 thetaper...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> There is nothing quite like the look of a fillet-brazed ATB. Beautiful 
>> build.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 at 6:21:32 PM UTC-5 DTL wrote:
>>
>>> That is a handsome bike!
>>> Did you set the Cliffhangers up tubeless? If so how did it go?
>>> On Thursday, February 8, 2024 at 8:23:06 AM UTC+11 Ben Hannon wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought a susie frame from a group member here so I figured I'd share 
>>>> the end product.
>>>>
>>>> Wolbis Slugstone 
>>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12Ls9msIH4aFkQZgSTFVugMjcOzP04IiK?usp=drive_link>
>>>>
>>>> Part list:
>>>> Teravail 2.5/2.6 knobbies
>>>> velocity cliff hangers
>>>> shutter precision dynamo front hub
>>>> shimano something or other rear hub
>>>> thomson masterpiece setback
>>>> brooks b72
>>>> nitto fillet faceplater 80mm
>>>> uncle rhondas upright bath bars
>>>> sugino crank 175mm with 36/26 
>>>> dura-ace 2 by FD
>>>> altus RD
>>>> jim 7 speed casette
>>>> riv shifters
>>>> deore.v brakes
>>>>
>>>> Also, if anyone has a fillet faceplater in 10 and wants to trade for 8 
>>>> let me know!
>>>>
>>>> Ben in Chicago
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Armand’s Garage Sale Extravaganza Part 1/2: Nitto, Paul, White Ind, Silver, Shimano, Herse, & More!

[Armand Kizirian]

*New additions at the top, and discounted prices below. Buy my stuff! Fund 
my Platypus! *


*NEW STUFF TO THE LIST: *

   - Platypus Complete 700c/29er wheels! I'm very impressed by this 
   handsome wheelset. Silky smooth hubs, fun black/silver alternating spoke 
   nipples, no-nonsense Alex DM24 rims, WITH excellent Soma Shikoro tires! 
   I'll throw in the quick release skewers too. How's $450 + cheapest shipping 
   via pirateship sound? 
   - NITTO NR-20 rear saddle bag support NEW - The cutest, strongest little 
   rack you've ever seen, and sold out everywhere for quite some time. Yes, 
   originally made for 26" frames, but you can bend the arms/tabs to make them 
   fit nearly anything, not that far off. $110 shipped! 
   - Sram GX Eagle 10-52t cassette + chain, NEW - Blasphemy posting this 
   here? Not if you need it! Prove me right for only $200 shipped. ;) 
   
*UPDATES AND DISCOUNTED PRICES:*

*(Reminder: P**rices include shipping, discounts for multiple item 
purchases or local pick-up. * *View detailed photos here in my dropbox. 
*
 
*)* 

*Hard Goods:*

   - New take-off Silver cranks 172mm - includes original new chainring 
   bolts, new steel 28t inner ring, and used Middleburn chainrings - 50/40/28t 
   - $180 *NOW $165*
   - Tubus Airy Titanium rear pannier rack - new - over $400 new, weighs 
   360g and holds 57lbs (view photos for tire clearance w/ 48mm tires on my 
   Platypus) - $350 *NOW $325*
   - White Industries 68x113mm SS bottom bracket - Less than 50 miles, some 
   blemishes on the lockring, otherwise spins like new. *$110!*
   - Paul QR Skewers - Purple - New in box never mounted - $200 ($216 + 
   tax/shipping new) *NOW $165*
   

   - Ultradynamico Cava race tires - 27.5 x 2.2?” - 100% new - Typically 
   $180+ to your door - $160 - *NOW $140*
   - Nitto “T” Bottle Cage - New in box - $60 - *Price drop to $50*
   

   - Shimano Ultegra 9-speed CS-6500 Cassette - 12-27t - Excellent used 
   condition, no “mushrooming” on the edges of the engaged teeth present - $40 
*NOW 
   $30*
   

   - MKS Gamma/Monarch Pedals, Silver, WITH black Rivendell side-step 
   extensions - new in box - *SOLD*
   

   - Maxxis 26 x 2.3” DTH Tires - Less than 25 miles - Ultra rare light 
   skin tanwall that has been out of production for several years - 
   lightweight, smooth rolling, and great looking - *$75 pair*
   

   - Rene Herse front cable hangar - grooved ferrule version - New never 
   mounted - *SOLD*
   - Kryptonite Mini+ evolution U-lock w/ wheel extension - like new - 
   *SOLD*


   - Dura Ace 7410 titanium crank arm bolts - excellent condition - *$25*


   - King cargo cage (without the box ) - *SOLD*
   - Pletscher Edge Kickstand - signs of use, hard to find - *$25*
   

   - Tange square taper bb - 68x103mm - NEW - *SOLD*
   - Koolstop thinline threaded pads x4 - black - new - *SOLD*
   

   - Niterider Lumina 550 headlight - Very little use over the years, 
   mostly stored with an appropriate level of charge for good battery health - 
   some dust from burning man on there (no charge ;) -* $20*

*Soft Goods:*

   - Patagonia Men’s Houdini windbreaker jacket - size medium, grey - 
   slight tear on the inside chest pocket, does not effect the main body 
   fabric. amazing piece that weighs and packs down to nothing! Only selling 
   because I bought another one - *SOLD*
   

   - Mission Workshop Torre Merino Wool Hoodie Black - size medium - 
   Midweight 100% merino wool sweater, amazing piece in excellent condition 
   but a very trim fit, would recommend it if you are a small/extra small or 
   are a medium but want an on-the-body fit - $100
   - Ornot tech shirts - size medium (fits like a small) dark grey and 
   “mars” red - very unique fabric - *$40 for 2*


   - Ornot Mission shorts - red - size 30 - Like new, no signs of use - 
   *$75*
   

   - Ornot Mini handlebar bag + seat bag - fun “nordic” color - new w/ tags 
   - *$60*
   - Brooks Dalston Medium lime-olive backpack - new in bag and very 
   stylish/handsome/well-made - costs $207 new - $125 -* NOW $100*

My Platypus thanks you! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Armand Kizirian]

the merrier, IMO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you 
>>>>>>> can let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat with 
>>>>>>> Kyle. I think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of 
>>>>>>> town. I 
>>>>>>> can't speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west side.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
>>>>>>> mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
>>>>>>> anyday! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 philip@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the 
>>>>>>>> block.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down 
>>>>>>>> through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot dog 
>>>>>>>> at 
>>>>>>>> Walt’s is never a bad time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly 
>>>>>>>> single track and fire roads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P. W.
>>>>>>>> ~
>>>>>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>>>>>> ~
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will 
>>>>>>>> definitely be inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate 
>>>>>>>> being 
>>>>>>>> surrounded by Rivendells, despite not owning one. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tony, I used to organize routes/rides/tours for small and large 
>>>>>>>> groups. I'm in Santa Monica so I'm not as familiar with great places 
>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> ride on the east side. I think a jaunt through frogtown/la 
>>>>>>>> river/griffith 
>>>>>>>> park could be great. I'll be going to Glendale tomorrow and can stop 
>>>>>>>> by 
>>>>>>>> Allez LA and pick their brain some, especially if Kyle is there. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What kind of mileage are you thinking? Is this a morning meetup 
>>>>>>>> ride? 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's doo this. Good incentive for me to finish my Playtpus by 
>>>>>>>> then too :). 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 9:22:54 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, so cool to see this happening! I’ve been mostly lurking here; 
>>>>>>>>> got my Appaloosa last August and I ride it in Orange County. I’d love 
>>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>>> join a ride and February 17th will probably work (family plans 
>>>>>>>>> permitting). 
>>>>>>>>> Question: How long/demanding will the ride be? I’m usually a solo 
>>>>>>>>> rider and 
>>>>>>>>> with my Appaloosa I’m more of a joy rider than a racer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 8:47:39 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart 
>>>>>>&g

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Armand Kizirian]

>>>>>>> parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of trail. 
>>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>>> know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, though, 
>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>> path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in from 
>>>>>>>> South Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to get to 
>>>>>>>> Allez. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort 
>>>>>>>>> level of people are. While I've never taken my bike on single track, 
>>>>>>>>> I love 
>>>>>>>>> to try out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy to 
>>>>>>>>> do 
>>>>>>>>> 30+ miles on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. I'm 
>>>>>>>>> super 
>>>>>>>>> flexible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer to the group, in favor of 
>>>>>>>>> getting more people to attend. The more, the merrier, IMO.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Armand - Glad to hear that you'll be visiting Allez. Perhaps you 
>>>>>>>>> can let us know if any good ideas or routes come up when you chat 
>>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>>> Kyle. I think it would be great if we kept the ride on this side of 
>>>>>>>>> town. I 
>>>>>>>>> can't speak for others, but I'd welcome a future ride on the west 
>>>>>>>>> side.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Phil - Great idea for a route; you've got my vote! I know Ted had 
>>>>>>>>> mentioned Cherry Canyon. Sign me up for flowy single track and a beer 
>>>>>>>>> anyday! 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>>> philip@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Meeting at Allez wouldn’t be a bad idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Riv dealers and great people, after all!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’m sure they’d be happy to host. Plus Collage coffee is down the 
>>>>>>>>>> block.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Highland Park to South Pas, Rosebowl over to Cherry Canyon, down 
>>>>>>>>>> through the Sports Complex singletrack, ending with a beer and hot 
>>>>>>>>>> dog at 
>>>>>>>>>> Walt’s is never a bad time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 20-30miles. Bunch of road, bunch of dirt. Flowy, Riv-friendly 
>>>>>>>>>> single track and fire roads.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or there’s Mt Washington - Elysian - Griffith. Although less fun.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> P. W.
>>>>>>>>>> ~
>>>>>>>>>> (917) 514-2207
>>>>>>>>>> ~
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:52 PM, Armand Kizirian  
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Safe to say a Riv is not required to join the ride. I will 
>>>>>>>>>> definitely be inviting a few people who would thoroughly appreciate 
&

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Armand Kizirian]

>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2024, at 7:35 AM, Tony Lockhart  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Calling all fair weather cyclists: *Looks like 2 inches of rain 
>>>>>>> in the forecast for Saturday the 17th. I'm happy to postpone or suffer 
>>>>>>> through the rain, provided there's a hot coffee stop along the route. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How are other folks feeling? Wondering if it would be prudent to 
>>>>>>> push the ride date out to March.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My son is planning to come too, he has a 55cm lime Platy from the 
>>>>>>>> first run
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8 
>>>>>>>> kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as 
>>>>>>>>> inclusive as possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires / 
>>>>>>>>> experience on dirt. (Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't 
>>>>>>>>> wanna 
>>>>>>>>> scare anyone off! The more the merrier. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will 
>>>>>>>>> post ride beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future 
>>>>>>>>> visit. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any 
>>>>>>>>>>> kind of steep or technical single-track (not sure what you mean by 
>>>>>>>>>>> flowy, 
>>>>>>>>>>> Riv-friendly single-track, P.W.. I've done a limited amount of 
>>>>>>>>>>> single-track 
>>>>>>>>>>> with my mountain bike, and I've gotten off and walked on steep, 
>>>>>>>>>>> rocky 
>>>>>>>>>>> parts, and I haven't taken my Appaloosa on any of that type of 
>>>>>>>>>>> trail. I 
>>>>>>>>>>> know the bike can do it; I'm just not sure I can :)  Overall, 
>>>>>>>>>>> though, the 
>>>>>>>>>>> path and plan you suggest sounds fun, P.W.!  
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How early is early? I'm an early riser, and I have to drive in 
>>>>>>>>>>> from South Orange County. Google says it will take me 1:30 hours to 
>>>>>>>>>>> get to 
>>>>>>>>>>> Allez. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 8:09 PM Tony Lockhart <
>>>>>>>>>>> alockh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just wondering what the fitness, technical ability, and comfort 
>>>>>>>>>>>> level of people are. While I've never taken my bike on single 
>>>>>>>>>>>> track, I love 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to try out some flowy curves and fire roadsand I'm quite happy 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to do 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 30+ miles on mixed terrain, especially if we get an early start. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm super 
>>>>>>>>>>>> flexible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How are others feeling? I'd rather defer

Re: [RBW] Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Armand Kizirian]

A ridewithgps route (or some functionally equivalent directions) would be 
fantastic Ted. I'm swamped with work and have to finish building my 
Platypus these next two evenings!

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 9:20:48 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:

>
> Sounds great Ted
> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 7:53:36 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:57:53 PM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>> Happy to see that this is all coming together. Seems like a 7:45 to 8:00 
>> roll out would be ideal, and the route possibilities above are prefect. 
>> Here's a screenshot of the map starting at Allez LA; folks driving in can 
>> find tons of parking on Meridian and Stradford.
>>
>>
>> How about 7:45-8:00 arrival at Allez LA, 8:15 rollout. Then I suggest we 
>> do the route the other direction from my previous suggestion, going up 
>> around the Rose Bowl then across to Sierra Madre, stop for 
>> coffee/tea/pastries in Sierra Madre, then return via the Cub House which, 
>> if we are reasonably relaxed about the pace, should be open by the time we 
>> are there. If that works for people, I will post a RideWithGPS route.
>>
>> Off topic, but anyone know if the Velo Retro rides are still happening? I 
>> remember coming across Chuck around 2008ish at Buster's Coffee shop in 
>> South Pas (currently called Jones Coffee Roasters). Super nice guy, and 
>> always on an amazing bike. In fact, seeing him ride in Birkenstocks 
>> resonated with me.
>>
>>
>> Indeed the ride is still happening, first Sunday of every month, though 
>> alas poor Chuck hasn't been able to ride a bike for a while. My last meet 
>> up with him was in fact at Jones Coffee Roasters. He still likes to hang 
>> out there. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Single Chain for Your Long-Stay Bike

[Armand Kizirian]

This is a great option, but once you buy two chains once, then save the 
excess, then you only need to buy one more chain for quite a lot of 
intervals thereafter. 

How has your experience been running the 11spd chain on 9-speed cassettes, 
if any?

On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 8:00:57 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:

> If like me, you have a longstay Rivendell and have some minor 
> inconveniences with the luxurious ride it provides, I have good news! Most 
> of the Shimano 11 speed chains (which shift great on 9 and 10 speed 
> drivetrains, and last longer than the 9 and 10 speed chains) can now be 
> bought at 126 links long, which means no more cobbling together a normal 
> 114 link plus 10+/- links from another chain. Maybe folks were already 
> aware, but maybe not.
>
> For reference, my 51 cm Joe Appaloosa with 52 cm chainstays running a 
> 42/24 chainrings and 11-34 cassette requires 124 links. I'll likely pickup 
> a microshoft sword 10 speed 11-38 to go along with a new chain
>
> Search for: shimano 11 speed chain - Performance Bicycle 
> (performancebike.com) 
> 
>
> Happy Riding,
> Collin, no longer splicing chains at least, in Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Re: Who’s getting a Platypus tomorrow?

[Armand Kizirian]

After 18 years of near daily riding, and a few attempts at hodge podge 80s 
mtn bikes turned commuters that have come and gone, I plan on getting my 
first Riv, a Platypus. 

It is an entirely unnecessary purchase. I have had a two bicycle quiver for 
a majority of my adult life with resounding success. A Salsa Vaya and 
various steel hardtail mtb’s, both capable of spirited or loaded riding 
with more than enough comfort. 

I now have the luxury of all my commuting to be done in a 6 mile radius, 
80% of the time. After incorporating silent retreats into my meditation 
practice a few years ago, the last bit of riding “fast” has lost its 
appeal, and a slower, more intentional pace of life has pervaded the way in 
which I move through the world (exceptions made for descending technical 
singletrack ;). 

This third addition, which I hope to have for another 18 years, will help 
bring something incredibly near and dear to me—my daily bike rides—into 
that realm.

This is an impressive amount of money to spend on what most would consider 
to be a simple, upright, commuter bike, featuring a sun race drivetrain. 
Yet, still a bargain compared to traditionally built Riv’s. However, we all 
know where the value lies. I will collect my own parts slowly and make it 
my own. 

A 55cm purple Platypus for me. As a designer, Im not in love with the 
color. I find it a bit too saturated and flat, but at least it’s fun and 
different. I think this should be the last Ana Purple run. There are far 
too many glorious colors to have several Riv runs in one. I will close the 
gap with letting go of seemingly unnecessary preferences, something I’ve 
been experimenting with throughout my life lately with great success. 
Something that seems in line with the Rivendell “way.”

I hope to post an excessively thorough review of the bicycle, with a ride 
report, through the lens of my background as an industrial designer, 
engineer, and most importantly, human being. :) 

Good luck to all! 



On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 7:04:20 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

>
> I’m hoping to snag a 50cm green complete for my wife. I’ve had several 
> Rivs and she’s never had the experience. She’s mentioned several times that 
> a step-through style bike interests her. She has some purple Paul bits on 
> her current bike that I think will look nice with the green instead of two 
> different purples. 
>
> This would be her townie bike. We ride to dinner, concerts, drinks, casual 
> 20-mile-ish family rides. That sort of thing. Her current rig is an Indy 
> fab titanium cross frame that, while being stupid light, simply doesn’t 
> have all of the options for racks and fenders that a Riv does. She’ll love 
> the fact that she can have fenders and the like. 
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 10:42:07 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> I'm certainly not in a position to by one but feel compelled to say that 
>> while I have not been a fan of any of the purple frames Riv has been doing 
>> (and frustrated that they are so hung up on it) the Platy looks so 
>> fantastic in that color. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 9:47:08 PM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>>
>>> Will try for a 50 cm complete green for husband's Xmas present! Going to 
>>> be tricky at work but I have supportive so-workers who know it's Platypus 
>>> Day tomorrow:)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2023 at 6:40:42 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 The preorder email was sent out today! Did you read it? Lots of 
 completes for sale but only 24 frames.

 Set to arrive end of November. Sad you’ll have to wait so long. 

 Who is getting one?

 What color?

 What plans for the bike?

 I just had a gorgeous 27 miles on my mermaid Platy today. Sublimely 
 comfortable. Plenty fast. 

 Leah

>>>

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[RBW] Garage Sale Part 2/2 - Nitto, Wheels, Paul, Dura-Ace, Riv Clothing, & More!

[Armand Kizirian]

Hey everyone, 

*Some final goods to clear from the last bit from my recent bike builds. 
Prices include shipping unless otherwise noted. Light discounts for 
multiple purchases. Check all the photos HERE 
!
 
Buy my stuff! Make my Platypus complete!*

   - Platypus Complete 700c/29er wheels! I'm very impressed by this 
   handsome wheelset. Silky smooth hubs, fun black/silver alternating spoke 
   nipples, bulletproof Alex DM24 rims, WITH excellent Soma Shikoro 700x48 
   tires! I'll throw in the quick release skewers too. How's $400 + cheapest 
   shipping via pirateship sound?
  - Soma Shikoro tires available separately if you really want them 
  - Paul Moon Units - Purple - Used for about 30 miles, light marks on 
   edges of backside nut. $45 
   - Paul Love Levers - Compact - Black - new in box (long pull) - $150 
   - NOS Dura-Ace FD-7703 Triple front derailleur, 28.6 clamp - Gorgeous 
   and new! $120 
   - Nitto Tallux Stem - 25.4 clamp - 90mm - Brand new, never touched a 
   bike - $80 
   - Maxxis 26 x 2.3” DTH Tires - Less than 25 miles - Ultra rare light 
   skin tanwall that has been out of production for several years - 
   lightweight, smooth rolling, and great looking - $75 pair
   - Ultradynamico Cava race tires - 27.5 x 2.2?” - 100% new - Typically 
   $180+ to your door - $160 
   - FSA Duron X 1" threaded Headset - came stock on my Platypus - visible 
   parts look new, non-visible parts are slightly chewed from removal, headset 
   spacers included - $35 
   - Ornot Mini handlebar bag + seat bag - fun “nordic” color - new w/ tags 
   - $60
   - Brooks Dalston Medium lime-olive backpack - new in bag and very 
   stylish/handsome/well-made - costs $207 new - $100 
   - Pletscher Edge Kickstand - signs of use, hard to find - $25 


*With purchase of any other item: *

   - Gran Compe roller straddle cable hangars - new pair - $20
   - Nitto 26.0-25.4 shim - $10 
   - Vintage middleburn crank extractor caps/bolts - $10
   
*Clothing: *

   - Men's Search and state s1-j waterproof cycling jacket made in new 
   york. Medium. Like new, only a few rides on it. Incredible jacket with the 
   Schoeller c-change fabric. $285 new. The most breathable waterproof jacket 
   I've ever experienced by far. Don't use it enough. $165
   - Rivendell Royal & gold hat - New, sold out, no button top - $45 
   - Rivendell Grey Long Sleeve Shirt - Reject trends and progress - size 
   medium, worn once, still has new shirt scent - $40 
   - Ornot tech shirts - size medium (fits like a small) dark grey and 
   “mars” red - very unique fabric - $40 for 2 
   - Mission Workshop Torre Merino Wool Hoodie Black - size medium - 
   Midweight 100% merino wool sweater, amazing piece in excellent condition 
   but a very trim fit, would recommend it if you are a small/extra small 
   looking for a regular/loose fit or are a medium but want an on-the-body fit 
   - $100 

*Check all the photos HERE 
!*
 

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[RBW] Re: Experience with North Street Bags backpack panniers?

[Armand Kizirian]

I have been using an Ortlieb Vario (latest model) every weekday for nearly 
a year and it has been fantastic. I'm an industrial designer who has 
designed many bags. This is hard to beat. I'm typically not a fan of the 
overly engineered plastic/advanced manufacturing methods, but it is 
extremely effective in this context. The most important elements are all a 
9/10 or 10/10, being: 

-Minimal friction to convert from pannier to backpack. Takes me 3-5 
seconds. If this isn't easy, you will not be encouraged to use the feature. 
- Straps/back of the bag/anything that touches clothing is fully protected 
from road grime. 
- The backpack actually functions well as a backpack. Mine is VERY heavy (I 
carry a full mobile office in it) and it handles the weight VERY 
comfortably. 

Retail price is very expensive but I got mine new off eBay for a 
considerable discount. Very minimal organization, but excellent size, 
especially considering the option to expand with the roll top. As with all 
ortlieb products, I can bike in a downpour and have zero concern for my 
electronics. 

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 4:14:02 PM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Greetings everyone,
> I am going to cycle the Zuiderzee bicycle route in the Netherlands in 
> April (400km) and am trying to figure out the best way to go straight from 
> the airport to the bike rental place without dragging a suitcase and all 
> the hassle entailed with that. I am definitely packing in a minimalist 
> fashion and am interested in the various offerings of backpack panniers. It 
> will be a three week trip and the 32 liter North St. Bags Woodward 
> backpack pannier seems like one of the better options out there for having 
> a carry-on that can transition straight from the airport to a bicycle rear 
> rack. Does anyone have any experience with this bag or similar products? 
> Thanks in advance.
> Robert Blunt 
> Pennington, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Saddlebag Grip R50

[Armand Kizirian]

Ben's got it at a very good price. 
https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-r50-quick-release-saddle-bag-supporter-bag_part_nitto__870-179-11/p

On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 9:48:32 AM UTC-8 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Once upon a time I had a couple of these but swung towards carring my 
> cargo upfront on my bikes for a few years. Now I'm back on the rear 
> saddlebag train and want to grab one of these for my Ram. Riv is out of 
> stock...
>
> Anyone holding?
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
>

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[RBW] Re: Garage Sale Part 2/2 - Nitto, Wheels, Paul, Dura-Ace, Riv Clothing, & More!

[Armand Kizirian]

Bump! Lots of goods still for sale. 

Riv Hat is sold. 

On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 4:34:14 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Hey everyone, 
>
> *Some final goods to clear from the last bit from my recent bike builds. 
> Prices include shipping unless otherwise noted. Light discounts for 
> multiple purchases. Check all the photos HERE 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>!
>  
> Buy my stuff! Make my Platypus complete!*
>
>- Platypus Complete 700c/29er wheels! I'm very impressed by this 
>handsome wheelset. Silky smooth hubs, fun black/silver alternating spoke 
>nipples, bulletproof Alex DM24 rims, WITH excellent Soma Shikoro 700x48 
>tires! I'll throw in the quick release skewers too. How's $400 + cheapest 
>shipping via pirateship sound?
>   - Soma Shikoro tires available separately if you really want them 
>   - Paul Moon Units - Purple - Used for about 30 miles, light marks 
>on edges of backside nut. $45 
>- Paul Love Levers - Compact - Black - new in box (long pull) - $150 
>- NOS Dura-Ace FD-7703 Triple front derailleur, 28.6 clamp - Gorgeous 
>and new! $120 
>- Nitto Tallux Stem - 25.4 clamp - 90mm - Brand new, never touched a 
>bike - $80 
>- Maxxis 26 x 2.3” DTH Tires - Less than 25 miles - Ultra rare light 
>skin tanwall that has been out of production for several years - 
>lightweight, smooth rolling, and great looking - $75 pair
>- Ultradynamico Cava race tires - 27.5 x 2.2?” - 100% new - Typically 
>$180+ to your door - $160 
>- FSA Duron X 1" threaded Headset - came stock on my Platypus - 
>visible parts look new, non-visible parts are slightly chewed from 
> removal, 
>headset spacers included - $35 
>- Ornot Mini handlebar bag + seat bag - fun “nordic” color - new w/ 
>tags - $60
>- Brooks Dalston Medium lime-olive backpack - new in bag and very 
>stylish/handsome/well-made - costs $207 new - $100 
>- Pletscher Edge Kickstand - signs of use, hard to find - $25 
>
>
> *With purchase of any other item: *
>
>- Gran Compe roller straddle cable hangars - new pair - $20
>- Nitto 26.0-25.4 shim - $10 
>- Vintage middleburn crank extractor caps/bolts - $10
>
> *Clothing: *
>
>- Men's Search and state s1-j waterproof cycling jacket made in new 
>york. Medium. Like new, only a few rides on it. Incredible jacket with the 
>Schoeller c-change fabric. $285 new. The most breathable waterproof jacket 
>I've ever experienced by far. Don't use it enough. $165
>- Rivendell Royal & gold hat - New, sold out, no button top - $45 
>- Rivendell Grey Long Sleeve Shirt - Reject trends and progress - size 
>medium, worn once, still has new shirt scent - $40 
>- Ornot tech shirts - size medium (fits like a small) dark grey and 
>“mars” red - very unique fabric - $40 for 2 
>- Mission Workshop Torre Merino Wool Hoodie Black - size medium - 
>Midweight 100% merino wool sweater, amazing piece in excellent condition 
>but a very trim fit, would recommend it if you are a small/extra small 
>looking for a regular/loose fit or are a medium but want an on-the-body 
> fit 
>- $100 
>
> *Check all the photos HERE 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>!*
>  
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[RBW] WTB - Nitto (Tig or Fillet) Faceplater - 110mm + 135mm

[Armand Kizirian]

Title says it all! If you got one you want to let go of let me know. 

(Yes, I saw the coupon code in the latest newsletter for faceplaters ;)

Cheers, 
Armand *waiting for faceplaters to finally wrap his bars* Kizirian

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[RBW] Re: Garage Sale Part 2/2 - Nitto, Wheels, Paul, Dura-Ace, Riv Clothing, & More!

[Armand Kizirian]

Final Sunday bump before these go onto feeBay!

On Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 5:09:30 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Bump! Lots of goods still for sale. 
>
> Riv Hat is sold. 
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2024 at 4:34:14 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone, 
>>
>> *Some final goods to clear from the last bit from my recent bike builds. 
>> Prices include shipping unless otherwise noted. Light discounts for 
>> multiple purchases. Check all the photos HERE 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>!
>>  
>> Buy my stuff! Make my Platypus complete!*
>>
>>- Platypus Complete 700c/29er wheels! I'm very impressed by this 
>>handsome wheelset. Silky smooth hubs, fun black/silver alternating spoke 
>>nipples, bulletproof Alex DM24 rims, WITH excellent Soma Shikoro 700x48 
>>tires! I'll throw in the quick release skewers too. How's $400 + cheapest 
>>shipping via pirateship sound?
>>   - Soma Shikoro tires available separately if you really want them 
>>   - Paul Moon Units - Purple - Used for about 30 miles, light marks 
>>on edges of backside nut. $45 
>>- Paul Love Levers - Compact - Black - new in box (long pull) - $150 
>>- NOS Dura-Ace FD-7703 Triple front derailleur, 28.6 clamp - Gorgeous 
>>and new! $120 
>>- Nitto Tallux Stem - 25.4 clamp - 90mm - Brand new, never touched a 
>>bike - $80 
>>- Maxxis 26 x 2.3” DTH Tires - Less than 25 miles - Ultra rare light 
>>skin tanwall that has been out of production for several years - 
>>lightweight, smooth rolling, and great looking - $75 pair
>>- Ultradynamico Cava race tires - 27.5 x 2.2?” - 100% new - Typically 
>>$180+ to your door - $160 
>>- FSA Duron X 1" threaded Headset - came stock on my Platypus - 
>>visible parts look new, non-visible parts are slightly chewed from 
>> removal, 
>>headset spacers included - $35 
>>- Ornot Mini handlebar bag + seat bag - fun “nordic” color - new w/ 
>>tags - $60
>>- Brooks Dalston Medium lime-olive backpack - new in bag and very 
>>stylish/handsome/well-made - costs $207 new - $100 
>>- Pletscher Edge Kickstand - signs of use, hard to find - $25 
>>
>>
>> *With purchase of any other item: *
>>
>>- Gran Compe roller straddle cable hangars - new pair - $20
>>- Nitto 26.0-25.4 shim - $10 
>>- Vintage middleburn crank extractor caps/bolts - $10
>>
>> *Clothing: *
>>
>>- Men's Search and state s1-j waterproof cycling jacket made in new 
>>york. Medium. Like new, only a few rides on it. Incredible jacket with 
>> the 
>>Schoeller c-change fabric. $285 new. The most breathable waterproof 
>> jacket 
>>I've ever experienced by far. Don't use it enough. $165
>>- Rivendell Royal & gold hat - New, sold out, no button top - $45 
>>- Rivendell Grey Long Sleeve Shirt - Reject trends and progress - 
>>size medium, worn once, still has new shirt scent - $40 
>>- Ornot tech shirts - size medium (fits like a small) dark grey and 
>>“mars” red - very unique fabric - $40 for 2 
>>- Mission Workshop Torre Merino Wool Hoodie Black - size medium - 
>>Midweight 100% merino wool sweater, amazing piece in excellent condition 
>>but a very trim fit, would recommend it if you are a small/extra small 
>>looking for a regular/loose fit or are a medium but want an on-the-body 
>> fit 
>>- $100 
>>
>> *Check all the photos HERE 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>!*
>>  
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone else not a fan of the very long chainstays?

[Armand Kizirian]

I bought my Platypus because the long chainstays were part of having a 
bicycle that is designed around the upright riding position, 
differentiating it from the 80's mtb's I've turned into upright commuters 
in the past. 

If you have multiple Rivendells and wish to buy one with shorter 
chainstays, sounds like a quality problem to me. ;) 

On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:34:59 PM UTC-8 vhans...@gmail.com wrote:

> that's shear brilliance!   Long chainstays don't matter a  single 
> attribute.  It's the complete frame design that matters.  At any rate 
> design and fit are the second most important.  A kook taught me: "first 
> you; then style and fit, then stuff
>
> VTW
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 10:13 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I promise you that Rivendell is flattered that nice people gather 
>> themselves to complain about the former-models that Riv no longer makes.  
>> It shows a love for Rivendell that most other bike brands don't get.  
>> There's no Specialized google group where current Specialized fans are 
>> griping about Rockhoppers and Sequoias.  All those nostalgic cyclists have 
>> bailed on Specialized entirely.  
>>
>> What Rivendell does, and has always done, is build the bikes they want to 
>> exist.  If you like one and want to buy it, great.  If you don't like any 
>> of them and buy something else, that's also great.  They (Riv) does not 
>> care about making money, except to the extent they can keep the lights on 
>> and pay their people a modest living wage.  They do not care about growth.  
>> Actually, they probably have made up their minds that they can't grow.  
>> They know exactly how many bikes they can afford to sell, and they plan out 
>> making that many bikes.  That very limited number of bikes is always going 
>> to be "whatever they feel like making".  They count on the fact that 
>> somebody is going to buy them, and it usually works out for them.  The 
>> bikes they feel like making are bikes that don't exist anywhere else and/or 
>> have never been made before.  When they made the Saluki circa 2007, bikes 
>> like the Saluki didn't exist.  Today, bikes like the Saluki do exist, so 
>> Riv doesn't have to make them.  The fact that some Riv-fans are nostalgic 
>> for former models is touching, but they don't make nostalgia models. If you 
>> want a short wheelbase Rivendell, buy a Crust, ride the heck out of it, and 
>> be happy.  That's what Riv would tell you.  
>>
>> The Roaduno is the classic, IMO.  They love the idea of a purpose built 
>> 3x1 road bike.  Nobody...not a single person on earth is pounding on their 
>> keyboard complaining that it's hard to find a purpose built 3x1 road bike.  
>> There is NO demand for it, but Riv is making it anyway, because they feel 
>> like it.  If you buy it, great.  If you don't, they hope you find something 
>> else that you do want to buy.  It's perfectly logical for you nostalgic 
>> Riv-fans to gripe "they couldve taken that Roaduno money and did a run of 
>> traditional short-wheelbase Atlantis"  Yep, they could have.  That's 
>> not what they felt like doing.  
>>
>> My advice to the disappointed is to just let Riv be Riv.  Seek out the 
>> bikes you like, buy them and ride them.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 9:49:54 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but that 
>>> is as long as I need. 
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 12:01 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:
>>>
 I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the 
 Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. 
 I 
 found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track. 
 This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the 
 bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have 
 available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter 
 frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a 
 regular road/gravel  bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride 
 my 
 Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that 
 situation.


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[RBW] Re: 3rd parties for bike sales

[Armand Kizirian]

Just send the money via Paypal as goods and services. You have pretty 
comprehensive protection there, although I'm sure it would still be 
somewhat of a hassle if they tried to dupe you. 

On Friday, March 8, 2024 at 4:26:52 PM UTC-8 James wrote:

> Has anyone here experimented with 3rd party websites for "large" purchases 
> from strangers?  I'm looking to buy a bike from someone on FB marketplace 
> and it's not a local sale.  So in essence I'm sending over $1,000 to a 
> stranger on their word.  What have ya'll done, if anything, to make sure 
> you aren't getting scammed (asides from getting a sense of their character 
> over the phone)?

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[RBW] Re: ISO - Ron's VX30 or VX21 Small Fab's Chest - Who's Got One?

[Armand Kizirian]

Still seeking if anyone has one in a fabric other than the waxed canvas. 
Let me know!

On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 12:17:33 AM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:

> If Armand doesn’t take it, I’m interested.
>
> -Don
>
> On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 2:34:25 PM UTC-8 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Brad! I'll wait another week and see what other colors may pop up. 
>> Otherwise will send an e-mail to grab yours sometime next week. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 1:19:40 PM UTC-8 jinxed wrote:
>>
>>> Armand,
>>>
>>> I have a small olive xpac Fab's. I fitted my rack with it, and did a 
>>> ride or two before I had to sell the bike. It's as new.
>>>
>>> PICTURE 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Would like to get 220 shipped in the US.
>>>
>>> Drop me a PM if interested.
>>> Cheers!
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2024 at 12:44:41 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello! 

 Wish to purchase one of these and see if it can serve as a single front 
 handlebar bag that can be used across all three of my main bikes for hyper 
 efficient bike camping. Seeking only VX30 or lighter fabrics. Show me what 
 you got! Open to different colors. 

 Armand
 Santa Monica, CA

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>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco MMM build photos

[Armand Kizirian]

Very nice! That main triangle is begging for a frame bag. It is massive! 
Enjoy your wonderfully functional bicycle. 

I was so close to getting a Rosco in my size last summer. Gave up waiting 
for one and got a Platypus. I really think most of Riv's bikes should just 
be tig'd like this. I never thought it made sense to have such a beautiful 
and ornate frame with (typically) very cheap components. The Rosco's simply 
feel more in line with the Riv philosophy (why do they value 
labor-intensive pretty lugs but basically not be concerned with aesthetics 
elsewhere?). Would be nice to have the more discreet Rosco to attract less 
attention and be less concerned with beating the frame up. 

On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 11:45:36 AM UTC-7 EGNolan wrote:

> Always loved this run, I selfishly hope they use it as a way to bring the 
> Susie/Mtn bike back in the future. You can tig 'em, but please, make 'em.
>
> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 9:36:44 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is a sweet build! I'd like to get one of those White Industries / 
>> Sugino cranks some day. 
>>
>> Is there any write-up or an ancient email about the idea behind the frame 
>> design? Will's Massive Mountain Mixte. Do we have an oral history at least? 
>>
>> Are you gonna wire up a dynamo back up in the future? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 7:14:17 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope! Mmmassive it is!! Glad it’s tasting proper trail dirt with those 
>>> knobbies. And so beautifully blue? I thought it was brown!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 JK, thanks for the clarification Kai, my tired brain couldn't remember 
 what the third m stood for... loving the bike!

 On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 9:15:17 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Massive mountain mixte!
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 21:08 Johnny Alien  
> wrote:
>
>> Love it!!!
>>
>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:59:50 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wowzers!  That is beautiful, but it’s no MMM…
>>> WMM or JMM (Will or Jumbo) maybe, but nowheres close to Medium 🙂
>>> Happy shredding!
>>> -Kai
>>> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:28:30 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Couple more:

 [image: IMG_6627.jpg]

 [image: IMG_6629.jpg]

 [image: IMG_6630.jpg]
 On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 8:27:06 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Wanted to share some pics of my (sorta) recently new to me rosco 
> as I settle in and keep personalizing it. 
>
> I bought this bike from list member Kai back in February I think. 
> I really wasn't trying to expand the stable at that moment, but the 
> riv 
> mixte propaganda had been working on my subconscious and Kai was 
> selling 
> this thing a 15 minute ride away, and well, in the end I couldn't 
> help 
> myself. 
>
> This past week or so I've been diving into a serious bicycle 
> spring cleaning strip down /regrease/relube/ wipe off all the winter 
> city 
> scuzz /etc.. from my bikes and its been an opportunity to try some 
> new 
> things with the rosco, and I'm really liking how its turning out. 
> Just 
> using what I have around, and stealing some parts from my appaloosa.
>
> Couple of my favorite things about this build so far: Got the used 
> maxxis tires at the charlotte bike coop for $10 each to see how big 
> o' 
> meats this frame can take. Getting a little close to those v brake 
> cables.. 
> I'll probably drop back down to 2.25s for the day to day, but these 
> big 
> ones are fun. And I've had this nos xtr FD sitting in a drawer for a 
> couple 
> years because I bought it at a swap before I knew to think about the 
> clamp 
> size and its a 34.9. This bike has a 31.8 tube, and I was able to 
> shim the 
> derailer by cutting a plastic 35mm film canister. Very happy thats 
> working. 
>
> Hope y'all enjoy taking a gander at the bike:
>
> Build notes:
> 60cm Tosco's
> old ass oury grips
> avid 1.9 Speed dial levers
> riv silver 2 thumbies 
> nitto 11cm talux
> stock fsa headset
> stock kalloy seatpost
> imperial brooks (gooch cutout)
> Avid 2.0 V brakes w/koolstops 
> Wheelset: Cliffhangers to SON28 and a Deore
> 2.4 tire in the back, 2.5 in the front
> Sugino/white industries triple crankset (22/36/44)
> mismatchy monarch pedals
> XTR M9sumthin FD
> XTR Rapid Rise RD
> XT 11-34 cassette
> one of those blingy gold kmc chains
>>>

Re: [RBW] Long wheelbase = long chain

[Armand Kizirian]

If you have certainty that you won't swap a drivetrain, simply buy two 
chains. The second chain will be enough to populate several chain 
replacements, granted they are of the same chain. No need to use two quick 
links either, if you have a chain breaker and know how to use it. 

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 11:18:44 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Count how many links you have now. Call Will & Riv & he will use their 
> bulk chain to send you one the correct length. EZPZ. Cheaper than buying 
> two & easier.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 25, 2024, at 10:58 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
>
> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long chain, 
> longer than a single chain.
>
>
> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
> chain?
>
> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>
> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>
> Edwin
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[RBW] Re: Long wheelbase = long chain

[Armand Kizirian]

Plenty of Shimano Shark Fin's on eBay and elsewhere still to be had. Chain 
suck be gone. 

On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:08:16 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would lessen the chain 
> flying around?"
>
> Or a derailleur with a clutch would lessen the chain flying around.  IMO 
> there is some technique involved also.  The upper run of chain is only 
> slack when you are coasting.  Keep it stuck in your head that if you are 
> coasting you ought to already be in the big ring.  Maybe that's not 
> practical on your terrain, but it's basically impossible for that chain 
> mishap to happen from the big ring.  
>
> Another idea is a mullet tire setup: wider in front and narrower in back. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito. CA
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2024 at 3:02:06 PM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> I'd like to hijack this thread with a question relevant to the title, if 
>> not the OP's actual question:
>>
>> *How do people manage the lng chain getting wedged between the tyre 
>> and chainstay?*
>> I'm loving my Appaloosa so far, but when I'm in my 24t chainring and on a 
>> bumpy road, the chain flys around, hits the knobby side of my rear tyre, 
>> and gets sucked in and wedged. It's not a great sound.
>>
>> My first angle of attack is to go for a slightly wider BB. There's a 
>> 115mm BB installed now, but the crank manufacturer 
>> 
>>  
>> recommends a 119mm.
>> After that, I'm going to try and fashion a kind of chain bash guard like 
>> Ultraromance did  
>> on his Atlantis for this very issue. Finally, I'd look at swapping the rear 
>> derailleur for one with more tension maybe? I'm using the Deore M591, which 
>> looks good, but maybe a different derailleur with stronger spring would 
>> lessen the chain flying around?
>>
>> On Friday 26 April 2024 at 00:27:12 UTC+9:30 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Joe Appa with long chain stays, which necessitates a long 
>>> chain, longer than a single chain.
>>>
>>> For all of you out there with a long chain bike, what are your best 
>>> tips/tricks/techniques for purchasing a chain. Where do you go for a long 
>>> chain?
>>>
>>> What else do you think about with chain replacement, maintenance, etc...
>>>
>>> Lifelong learner, breaking cobbled together chains,
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Removing more metal from my Bombadil

[Armand Kizirian]

Nice. I'm very happy with my herse hangar too. I did a flex test with 
someone else with a paul hangar, seems the paul was the slightest bit 
stiffer, but nowhere near as elegant. 

Post a picture of the whole bike! Curious about those super wide flat honjo 
fenders. 

On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 3:53:41 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Having previously honed the seat tube out from 27.0 to 27.2, this was a 
> much easier and quicker process. I filed a flat onto the steerer tube so 
> that I could use the Rene Herse front cable hanger and spacers with the 
> flats. 5 minutes with a file. I probably spent more time making sure that 
> the roller bearing race on the fork crown was free from filing debris.
> [image: IMG_4029.jpg]
> i really like the simple looks of this hanger.
> [image: IMG_4030.jpg]
>
> Laing Conley
> Delray Beach FL
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2024

[Armand Kizirian]

Nicely 52cm Clem for $1800 in Los Angeles 
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/bik/d/north-hills-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7742374638.html
 


On Monday, April 29, 2024 at 2:59:02 PM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:

> https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/196896
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:38 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
>  
>
> Rivendell Clem Smith Clementine - $2,150 (Sacramento) 
>
> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/sacramento-rivendell-clem-smith/7735990306.html
>
> Kim Hetzel.
> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-7 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> Awesome color  Saluki and a good price!  I believe this is or was John's 
>> bike (rivendell employee). This would explain the very history heavy 
>> description.  
>>
>> On Sunday, April 28, 2024 at 11:01:54 AM UTC-7 Matti wrote:
>>
>>> Saluki here: 
>>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-62cm-rivendell-saluki/7741642940.html
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Time for a new FS thread?

 I saw this 63 Roadeo on the Crust classifieds and thought a tall member 
 here might be interested: 
 https://crustbikes.com/a/shopicial/topics/179734

 Good price at $1,500 for the frameset but the seller indicates it has 
 been repainted by D&D Cycles.

 [image: roadeo.jpeg]

 No connection to the seller.

 Max

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[RBW] Adding Glitter to Shellac - Long Term Use?

[Armand Kizirian]

In one of the recent Riv newsletters there was mention of adding glitter to 
shellac before applying it to handlebar tape. This sounds like a really fun 
addition. There seems to be no shortage of biodegradable glitter on the 
market as well.

The question is, will this eventually become a 
*my-hands-are-covered-in-glitter-after-every-ride* scenario? 

If you have experience. Please do chime in. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 56 Rambouillet

[Armand Kizirian]

https://radbazaar.theradavist.com/listing/Jx8ftHgLf6fDD5slbSeN?category=undefined&subcategory=undefined

On Wednesday, May 1, 2024 at 1:38:09 PM UTC-7 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:

> Helping out a friend who is looking for a Ram in 56. 
>
> thanks!
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[RBW] Re: List Admin Message: Kerfuffle of the week and what to do about scammy folks

[Armand Kizirian]

Thank you Jim! 

On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:37:09 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> I would say a good rule of thumb:
> - An offer which begins as a DM
> - The offer comes from someone who has no posts in the group
> = "Run Away!"
>
> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 12:56:20 PM UTC-7 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Would it be possible to list the names of the scammers somewhere? Just 
>> for those initiated contact by a private message prior to the ban. 
>> On Tuesday, May 7, 2024 at 1:46:25 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all - 
>>>
>>> I just removed another person who listed an item and appears to have 
>>> been harvesting internet images and presenting them as their own. That's 
>>> not OK. 
>>>
>>> This has happened pretty infrequently on this group, and it always a 
>>> minor PITA to deal with. 
>>>
>>> All of which has me wanting to tighten down the listing of for sale 
>>> items for new members. These problems always stem from some "enterprising" 
>>> individual who joins the group and tries to post a for sale item 
>>> immediately. I can count on one hand the times that some "known" group 
>>> member acted inappropriately in a transaction.
>>>
>>> The way in which we've avoided this in the past is by asking folks to 
>>> engage on the list first, and use it as a way to rehome items second. I'm 
>>> going to be a lot more rigid about that now. 
>>>
>>> I'll update the list info to reflect this in stronger language, but if 
>>> your first post is a For Sale item, I won't be passing it through the 
>>> queue. If you would like to offer items to other members, please engage 
>>> with the community for a while (purposefully vague...) and demonstrate that 
>>> you aren't simply here to cash in. 
>>>
>>> So - deep breath everyone. 
>>>
>>> Thanks to those who shared more than just conjecture. That clarified the 
>>> issue in this case. That's important data. 
>>>
>>> As for potential or new members who just want to sell gear and not be 
>>> part of this community - there's ebay or other marketplaces which protect 
>>> you and the buyer, as well as more transactionally focused groups. Please 
>>> use those. 
>>>
>>> Other than that, we're coming into riding season. Go get some miles in.
>>>
>>> Jim / List-admin
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Stems, Honjo, B17 Ti, Rons Bikes, Rene Herse, Paul, Tubus, & More

[Armand Kizirian]

Platypus is done done and last bits for sale! Ride report and build thread 
coming soon :) 

Pics Here. 

 
Prices include shipping. Slight discounts for multiple parts. DM me 
privately. 

   - Nitto Tallux 25.5 - 90mm - New - $75
   - Nitto Tig Faceplater 110mm 25.4 - NLA 225mm quill - New - $100
   - Nitto Stem Spreading Tool #4 - Used once - $35
   - Rene Herse Switchback Hill - 650 x 48mm extralight, black pair - New 
   in bag - $175
   - Honjo Turtle 63 Polished Fenders 700c - New - $125
   - Rons Bikes Fanny - Black X50 - Lightly used, waist strap is cut off, 
   bar/saddle bag use only - $110 
   - Brooks B17 Titanium - Black - Not the original owner, in good shape, 
   looks to be in the earlier stages of being broken in (selling cause I have 
   2 ;) - $150
   - Rivendell Complete 26.8mm Seatpost (new take-off from Platypus) - $45
   - Nitto EC-02 Gold Bar End Plugs ( 15.5-17.5mm inner diameter ) - New - 
   $20
   - Paul Gino Polished Light Mount - New - $30 ($53 new for polished 
   version)
   - Tubus Vega Evo Rear Rack (not pictured) - Black - New - $100
   - Tubus Airy Titanium Rear Rack - New - $350 (Expensive because I want 
   to keep it) 
   
With purchase of any items above: 

   - Dia Compe canti cable hangar - I think never used - $10
   - Newbaums tape - x2 teal x1 gray - $10
   - Shimano BB-UN300 118mm bottom bracket - new take-off - $10 
   - ESI Chunky Grips - Green - New - $18
   - Giro merino wool t-shirt jersey - Size medium w/ holes - $15
   - Pletscher Edge Kickstand - $20

Potential Trades: 

   - Nitto 90-190 Faceplater Stems - 25.4-31.8 - 110-135mm 
   - Nitto Wavie Bar 
   - Rons Bikes or Similar Bar/Saddle Bags in lightweight fabric
   - Oracle Ridge Endurance Tires 
   
Thank you very much and happy riding! 

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Nitto Stems, Honjo, B17 Ti, Rons Bikes, Rene Herse, Paul, Tubus, & More

[Armand Kizirian]

Updates listed below with some price drops too. Plus the addition of TWO 
more pairs of Rene Herse tires: 

New additions: 

   - Rene Herse Hatcher Pass 700x48 Extralight Tires (skinwall) - About 50 
   miles on road, 15 miles on dirt. Excellent condition with 95% life left. I 
   LOVE these tires but going with knobbies! - $150 shipped 
   - Rene Herse Switchback Hills 650x48 Standard Tires (skinwall) - These 
   have seen plenty of use, I would say they have about 40% life left. One 
   large screw puncture last year, never presented a problem (never ran 
   tubeless). Tires rotated frequently so very even wear between both. - $75 
   shipped  
   
*Updates Below: *Pics Here. 
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>
 *Prices 
include shipping. *Slight discounts for multiple parts. DM me privately. 

   - Nitto Tallux 25.5 - 90mm - New - SOLD
   - Nitto Tig Faceplater 110mm 25.4 - NLA 225mm quill - New - SOLD 
   - Nitto Stem Spreading Tool #4 - Used once - $35
   - Rene Herse Switchback Hill - 650 x 48mm extralight, black pair - New 
   in sealed bag - $175
   - Honjo Turtle 63 Polished Fenders 700c - New - $125
   - Rons Bikes Fanny - Black X50 - Lightly used, waist strap is cut off, 
   bar/saddle bag use only - $110* - Pending, still encourage to contact*
   - Brooks B17 Titanium - Black -  SOLD 
   - Rivendell Complete 26.8mm Seatpost (new take-off from Platypus) - $45
   - Nitto EC-02 Gold Bar End Plugs ( 15.5-17.5mm inner diameter ) - New -  
   SOLD 
   - Paul Gino Polished Light Mount - New - $30 ($53 new for polished 
   version)
   - Tubus Vega Evo Rear Rack (not pictured) - Black - New - $100
   - Tubus Airy Titanium Rear Rack - New - $350 (Expensive because I want 
   to keep it) 
   
With purchase of any items above: 

   - Dia Compe canti cable hangar - I think never used - $10
   - Newbaums tape - x2 teal x1 gray - $10
   - Shimano BB-UN300 118mm bottom bracket - new take-off - $10 
   - ESI Chunky Grips - Green - New - $15
   - Giro merino wool t-shirt jersey - Size medium w/ holes - $15
   - Pletscher Edge Kickstand - $20

Potential Trades: 

   - Nitto 90-190 Faceplater Stems - 25.4 - 135mm 
   - Nitto Wavie or KT Bar
   - Rons Bikes or Similar Bar/Saddle Bags in lightweight fabric
   - Oracle Ridge Endurance Tires 


On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:15:12 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Platypus is done done and last bits for sale! Ride report and build thread 
> coming soon :) 
>
> Pics Here. 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>
>  
> Prices include shipping. Slight discounts for multiple parts. DM me 
> privately. 
>
>- Nitto Tallux 25.5 - 90mm - New - $75
>- Nitto Tig Faceplater 110mm 25.4 - NLA 225mm quill - New - $100
>- Nitto Stem Spreading Tool #4 - Used once - $35
>- Rene Herse Switchback Hill - 650 x 48mm extralight, black pair - New 
>in bag - $175
>- Honjo Turtle 63 Polished Fenders 700c - New - $125
>- Rons Bikes Fanny - Black X50 - Lightly used, waist strap is cut off, 
>bar/saddle bag use only - $110 
>- Brooks B17 Titanium - Black - Not the original owner, in good shape, 
>looks to be in the earlier stages of being broken in (selling cause I have 
>2 ;) - $150
>- Rivendell Complete 26.8mm Seatpost (new take-off from Platypus) - $45
>- Nitto EC-02 Gold Bar End Plugs ( 15.5-17.5mm inner diameter ) - New 
>- $20
>- Paul Gino Polished Light Mount - New - $30 ($53 new for polished 
>version)
>- Tubus Vega Evo Rear Rack (not pictured) - Black - New - $100
>- Tubus Airy Titanium Rear Rack - New - $350 (Expensive because I want 
>to keep it) 
>
> With purchase of any items above: 
>
>- Dia Compe canti cable hangar - I think never used - $10
>- Newbaums tape - x2 teal x1 gray - $10
>- Shimano BB-UN300 118mm bottom bracket - new take-off - $10 
>- ESI Chunky Grips - Green - New - $18
>- Giro merino wool t-shirt jersey - Size medium w/ holes - $15
>- Pletscher Edge Kickstand - $20
>
> Potential Trades: 
>
>- Nitto 90-190 Faceplater Stems - 25.4-31.8 - 110-135mm 
>- Nitto Wavie Bar 
>- Rons Bikes or Similar Bar/Saddle Bags in lightweight fabric
>- Oracle Ridge Endurance Tires 
>
> Thank you very much and happy riding! 
>
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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Armand Kizirian]

 

This last weekend I took it on a mixed terrain ride, about 35 miles with 
over 3500ft of climbing. I was shocked with how well it handled the route. 
The lack of friction in the system as a whole, from the white industries 
hubs, to dura ace bottom bracket, to rene herse extralight tires, made my 
drop-bar bike feel neglected and abused, that is to say, this bike feels 
like butter. This sensation was amplified by swapping in SPD pedals for the 
first time and feeling “connected.” The forward position of the Ortho bars 
are fantastic for out of the saddle climbing leverage, or on the saddle 
technical climbing on singletrack, elbows flared down. With 48mm slicks 
aired a bit down, the long chainstays allowed me to have enough traction to 
only have to walk one segment. I can’t wait to try it with the Rene Herse 
knobby equivalent. The ability to tap into a restorative position (aka the 
default riding position) made the entire route so utterly comfortable, 
without a hint of a back or neck ache developing. Not something I would be 
able to say on my drop-bar bike, which has bars levels with the saddle mind 
you.

[image: IMG_3348.JPG]

There is so much to write about, I will let you ask any questions you have. 
Look for a ride report after this weekend, where I will strip the racks off 
and ride 60+ miles with 10,000ft of climbing with this at the LA 
Invitational ride. 


On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:56:44 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/1wbpogiix44fmt9b40o6j/APG3fbw3AAQbjYtT-PK3JrY?rlkey=0dkhnviwb33ouz7tkhl45nqqf&dl=0>
>  
> *
>
> Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho Bars, 
> Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, Rivendell S2 
> friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap with 
> clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with Brooks 
> B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.
>
> [image: IMG_3282.JPG]
>
> Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, and 
> Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable adjustment. Rene herse and nitto cable 
> hangars. Yokozuna reaction compressionless housing. All capped off with 
> Forager cycles cable cherries. Kool stop brake pads with the grey e-bike 
> pad compound. This was my final hurrah to test the ultimate canti-lever 
> brake setup and deem its worthiness as a brake. It has not passed by test. 
> Riv recommends v-brakes for several valid reasons.
>
> Custom wheelset featuring White Industries MI5 hubs laced to Velocity 
> Quill rims with Sapim spokes and brass nipples, 32h front, 36h rear, all 
> polished. Rene Herse Tires, 48mm Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge. I will 
> likely keep an endurance casing Oracle ridge as a final tire choice, setup 
> tubeless with Ultradynamico brass tubeless valves. I like riding fast, 
> especially on dirt. 
>
> Drivetrain features an ultra rare 110/73bcd Middleburn lightweight road 
> triple with 42/28t gearing and Rivendell chain guard and brass 
> self-extractors. Aluminum Sugino 28t chainring and aluminum chainring 
> hardware for weight reduction. NOS Dura-Ace 7700 sealed cartridge Bottom 
> bracket. Pedals are MKS Pretzel with shorter 4-5mm length brass set screws 
> to replace the 6mm long aggressive steel pins. Ultegra PD-ES600 SPD pedals 
> for longer rides when I want to be clipped in. Deore XT 9-speed 11-34 
> cassette, with NOS Dura Ace 7700 mid-cage rear derailleur (wolftooth 
> roadlink to clear the 34t), Dura Ace 7800 double front derailleur. KMC 
> 10-speed X10SL with the gold treatment, because, gold! This all shifts 
> *wonderfully.*
>
> Accessories include Nitto F32 front rack with Tanaka stainless steel 
> basket held by Voile mini straps, Nitto 32r rear rack with cygolite rear 
> light mount. Front rack features upcycled 28t chainring for my cygolite 
> go-pro mount (blue lug style) and M6 brass set screws to fill the unused 
> braze-ons. Blue Lug yellow X-Strap bungee cords front and rear, with the x2 
> rainbow Rivendell straps laced through the basket to handle any odd things 
> to carry on the fly. Beautiful Nitto R bottle cage on top, with ultra rare 
> matching Nitto BG-L 1-liter bottle cage on the bottom. Greenfield kickstand 
> wrapped with newbaums purple. Purple Blue Lug Koma lights front and rear at 
> the drop-outs for when I forget to bring my nicer lights. Newbaums wrap on 
> top tube for convenient handle grip when carrying up/down stairs to the 
> train. Blue lug style newbaums chainstay guard. Hemp twine features 
> everywhere. Lastly, any unused braze-ons are populated with M5 brass set 
> screws, including the backside of the utilized hourglass mounts 😉
>
> Security includes hexlox axles, with the same keyed inser

[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Armand Kizirian]

One more little clip of me testing the off-road capabilities. Riding a 
narrower saddle to be able to get my thighs behind it would improve steep, 
technical descents quite a lot. All in all I do NOT miss descending 
rough-ish dirt roads with a rigid bike. I hope it encounter them with 
little frequency. 

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/rw4lpolns8s6x6cyzg07w/IMG_9041.MOV?rlkey=608dbcfa4tx3nxvu36wthlm8a&dl=0

On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:58:59 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> This last weekend I took it on a mixed terrain ride, about 35 miles with 
> over 3500ft of climbing. I was shocked with how well it handled the route. 
> The lack of friction in the system as a whole, from the white industries 
> hubs, to dura ace bottom bracket, to rene herse extralight tires, made my 
> drop-bar bike feel neglected and abused, that is to say, this bike feels 
> like butter. This sensation was amplified by swapping in SPD pedals for the 
> first time and feeling “connected.” The forward position of the Ortho bars 
> are fantastic for out of the saddle climbing leverage, or on the saddle 
> technical climbing on singletrack, elbows flared down. With 48mm slicks 
> aired a bit down, the long chainstays allowed me to have enough traction to 
> only have to walk one segment. I can’t wait to try it with the Rene Herse 
> knobby equivalent. The ability to tap into a restorative position (aka the 
> default riding position) made the entire route so utterly comfortable, 
> without a hint of a back or neck ache developing. Not something I would be 
> able to say on my drop-bar bike, which has bars levels with the saddle mind 
> you.
>
> [image: IMG_3348.JPG]
>
> There is so much to write about, I will let you ask any questions you 
> have. Look for a ride report after this weekend, where I will strip the 
> racks off and ride 60+ miles with 10,000ft of climbing with this at the LA 
> Invitational ride. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 4:56:44 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/1wbpogiix44fmt9b40o6j/APG3fbw3AAQbjYtT-PK3JrY?rlkey=0dkhnviwb33ouz7tkhl45nqqf&dl=0>
>>  
>> *
>>
>> Cockpit features a Nitto 135mm Faceplater Stem with Rons Ortho Bars, 
>> Brooks leather ergon grips with Simworks purple bar ends, Rivendell S2 
>> friction shifters, with harlequin style newbuams purple/yellow wrap with 
>> clear shellac, and a stem-mounted spurcycle bell. S83 seatpost with Brooks 
>> B17 titanium. NOS Dura-Ace headset.
>>
>> [image: IMG_3282.JPG]
>>
>> Brakes feature Paul Canti Levers with Touring Canti’s, Moon units, and 
>> Hunter cycles Nugz for extra cable adjustment. Rene herse and nitto cable 
>> hangars. Yokozuna reaction compressionless housing. All capped off with 
>> Forager cycles cable cherries. Kool stop brake pads with the grey e-bike 
>> pad compound. This was my final hurrah to test the ultimate canti-lever 
>> brake setup and deem its worthiness as a brake. It has not passed by test. 
>> Riv recommends v-brakes for several valid reasons.
>>
>> Custom wheelset featuring White Industries MI5 hubs laced to Velocity 
>> Quill rims with Sapim spokes and brass nipples, 32h front, 36h rear, all 
>> polished. Rene Herse Tires, 48mm Hatcher Pass and Oracle Ridge. I will 
>> likely keep an endurance casing Oracle ridge as a final tire choice, setup 
>> tubeless with Ultradynamico brass tubeless valves. I like riding fast, 
>> especially on dirt. 
>>
>> Drivetrain features an ultra rare 110/73bcd Middleburn lightweight road 
>> triple with 42/28t gearing and Rivendell chain guard and brass 
>> self-extractors. Aluminum Sugino 28t chainring and aluminum chainring 
>> hardware for weight reduction. NOS Dura-Ace 7700 sealed cartridge Bottom 
>> bracket. Pedals are MKS Pretzel with shorter 4-5mm length brass set screws 
>> to replace the 6mm long aggressive steel pins. Ultegra PD-ES600 SPD pedals 
>> for longer rides when I want to be clipped in. Deore XT 9-speed 11-34 
>> cassette, with NOS Dura Ace 7700 mid-cage rear derailleur (wolftooth 
>> roadlink to clear the 34t), Dura Ace 7800 double front derailleur. KMC 
>> 10-speed X10SL with the gold treatment, because, gold! This all shifts 
>> *wonderfully.*
>>
>> Accessories include Nitto F32 front rack with Tanaka stainless steel 
>> basket held by Voile mini straps, Nitto 32r rear rack with cygolite rear 
>> light mount. Front rack features upcycled 28t chainring for my cygolite 
>> go-pro mount (blue lug style) and M6 brass set screws to fill the unused 
>> braze-ons. Blue Lug yellow X-Strap bungee cords front and rear, 

Re: [RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Armand Kizirian]

Thanks for the kind words everyone!

*@Leah* - I feel like evntually I'll switch the v-brakes. Right now 
that will require a rack change, and I love the F32 front as it's all 
brazed and very lightweight. I also utilize a Nitto NR-21 rear rack for a 
saddle bar support for the longer day rides/touring mode which is not 
v-brake compatible. Silver shifters are GREAT. The level of adjustability 
in the housing direction, as well as the lever stops, allow for some 
exception fine tuning of ergonomics and placement. The "thumb screw" that 
adjusts the level of friction WILL back off if nothing is applied to the 
threads. I dried and built up some layers of threadlocker on the screw 
threads so it maintains the friction setting without backing out. 

*@For those questioning the step-through frame*. This is my first! I went 
for it because it's classy, smaller friends can ride the bike successfully, 
provides a great carry handle, and although I have no shortage of mobility, 
the step-through design is convenient for sure. It mostly gives a really 
interesting look, especially for such a large frame. I do question the 
additional pair of "mid-stays" in the rear triangle potentially stiffening 
up the rear too much. However, the single bottle cage along with 
compromised potential frame-bag space IS a huge caveat. I recently 
discovered the Appaloosa has wider tire clearance than the Platypus. If the 
right size lime-olive/purple frame popped up I just may switch all the 
parts over. 

*@Dan *- Congrats on your Appaloosa! The Velocity Quill's has a 21mm 
internal width. It should handle your max tire size, ~2.25" just fine. 
Anyone who told you otherwise is being silly. I plan on switching to some 
Oracle ridge tires tomorrow, tubeless. Will let you know if I encounter any 
issues, I don't anticipate any. Velocity's product page even says up to 
48mm for the "optimal" tire size. 

*@Ryan *- Chainring attachment was homemade. It was the original chainring 
on the pictured cranks that was worn to hell. Be sure to use an aluminum 
one, not steel. Exceptionally easy to shape with nothing but a vice, 
hacksaw, and some basic files. 

*@Steve *- The next step with the canti-levers is to make some old school 
brake boosters. Right now there is a TON of flex at the brake posts. Since 
the Paul brakes have the tension spring forward, rather than rear, there is 
a good ~8-10mm of brake post exposed between the brake caliper and the fork 
blade. This can be a great opportunity to place a brake booster there. It 
is about as simple of a part as it gets for me to model on the computer, 
and send to some friends with fancy CNC machines and a block of aluminum. A 
good time can be had styling it for a Rivendell. 
On Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 9:43:18 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> As Mathias, I too have no particular interest in step-throughs -- I've 
> owned a number of them: mixtes, drop-frame Raleigh Sportses and clones -- 
> and if I ever buy another one it will be a Clem to build up as a 
> ride-around beater and not for the drop frame; but yes, that Platypus is 
> very well coordinated and set up. Kudos.
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 8:57 PM Mathias Steiner  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm a little mystified by the whole step-through thing, so a Platypus 
>> isn't high on my personal list.
>>
>> But THAT is a great build. You can tell a lot of thought and a lot of 
>> love went into it. Beautiful.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 9:43:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Aren’t the Platys the best? I’m so excited for you to have this beauty 
>>> and have it forever. I loved this model so much I ended up with a trio of 
>>> them. I regret nothing. My purple Gravel & Travel Platy is being built up 
>>> with rainbow and oil slick parts right now, and I’m anxious to see it. It 
>>> won’t be classy like your regal purple Platy, though. 
>>>
>>> Are you going to change to v brakes? How do you like the Silver 
>>> Shifters? I got those, too, and it will be my first bike with them. 
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing more about your adventures on this new bike 
>>> and especially at the LA Invitational Ride! This bike can do almost 
>>> anything. 10,000 feet of climbing. Pssshhahhh. No problem. 
>>> Leah
>>> On Tuesday, May 14, 2024 at 8:07:12 PM UTC-4 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> One more little clip of me testing the off-road capabilities. Riding a 
>>>> narrower saddle to be able to get my thighs behind it would improve steep, 
>>>> technical descents quite a lot. All in all I do NOT miss descending 
>>>> rough-ish dirt roads with a rigid bike. I hope i

Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Armand Kizirian]

Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also 
interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!

On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:30:52 AM UTC-7 jeffrey kane wrote:

> This is easily the winner for single greatest injection of personalized 
> Easter Eggs in one project that I've ever seen... that is for sure (!) 
> It simply has to be a "best of show" contender somewhere. 
> Congratulations LP!
>
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 10:06:30 AM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> So glad you posted this here, as the Insta vid is so fun. Congratulations!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 9:56:58 AM UTC-4 SallyG wrote:
>>
>>> What a wonder! Absolutely terrific...and I loved hearing the backstories!
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 6:08 AM ian m  wrote:
>>>
 Love the iridescent bits, the anodizer really nailed it

 On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 8:51:27 AM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> When "too much" is "just right." This bike will make you (and anyone 
> who sees it) smile. Who could not smile at the sight on a My Little Platy 
> coming down the road! I hope you have many joyous miles riding, and that 
> some of them are in California so we can see it in person!
>
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 8:43:11 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Finally. New. Bike. Day.
>>
>> This bike was a long time coming. I bought the frame in November 
>> (November!) and have waited this long for the plethora of specialty 
>> parts 
>> to arrive.
>>
>> Purple is a fun color; it never takes itself too seriously. It goes 
>> with most other colors, which is what led me to choose…all the colors. 
>>
>> The theme for this Platypus is: 80s My Little Pony. I call the bike 
>> My Little Platy. 
>>
>> The bike is a 50cm Rivendell Platypus with 650b wheels; it can be 
>> taken on Amtrak and bus racks, which is something its 55cm siblings 
>> cannot 
>> do. I put fat tires on it so it can handle gravel. My Gravel & Travel 
>> Platy.
>>
>> I adored My Little Pony in my girlhood, and my favorite ponies had 
>> rainbow hair. Why settle for just pink or blue when some ponies had ALL 
>> the 
>> colors? I started out this build incorporating a color here or there. (I 
>> had my Paul brakes already cerakoted in blues.) But while looking for 
>> grips, I found Ergon oil slick clamps and had my revelation: I wanted 
>> oil 
>> slick everywhere I could get it. 
>>
>> Because oil slick has ALL the colors.
>>
>> All the makers of these parts worked with me to make this bike 
>> happen. They sent their beautiful products to me and let me alter them 
>> in 
>> wild, saturated, living color. I don’t know if any of them understood 
>> why I 
>> was going all out like this. All of them were men, save one - the 
>> anodizer. 
>> You can see her work in the levers, chain rings, cranks, and bottom 
>> bracket. She understood the assignment. 
>>
>> I live with 3 men and none of them give the bike their stamp of 
>> approval. The Lone Wolf will howl, alright. I remain steadfast in my 
>> adoration of this bike because it does something for me. Takes me back 
>> to 
>> my simple, happy 80s and 90s childhood. If when you were a little girl 
>> (most of your were not), your friend had a dress-up closet and you could 
>> choose from her lavish collection of finery to wear at playtime, and you 
>> just came out WEARING ALL OF IT, well, that is this Platypus.
>>
>> Thank you to everyone at Analog Cycles, Paul Components, Ignite 
>> Components, Ashley Anodized It, Velocity USA and Pedal Bicycles for 
>> making 
>> this silly concept a real, tangible bicycle. And of course, thank you to 
>> Rivendell Bicycle Works, who makes the best bikes in the world.
>>
>> Please find my video link below.
>> Leah
>> https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7S3y0AufkX/?igsh=ZTk5amhhaTR2anQ=
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Bike Day: My Little Platy

[Armand Kizirian]

Leah, 

Remove the "thumb screw" from the shifters. Place some blue threadlocker on 
the threads, let it dry, and do another coating as well. They won't hold 
their setting and eventually unscrew from use, creating ghost shifts, 
particularly at the worst possible time (out of the saddle sprints, etc.). 
A few layers of threadlocker help them hold their position without issue. 

If you happen to powdercoat things in the future, check out the color 
"prismatic universe". I powdercoated my mtb that color with a high gloss 
clear coat and it is insane in the sun. I'll have to send some pics when 
it's all together. Doing some light oil slick parts too as a theme. 

On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 5:55:44 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

> I’ve had so much fun putting the first 50 miles on my new bike. I love 
> looking at it and wish I could see it when I’m riding it. The spokes do 
> gleam in the sun as the wheels rotate, which thrills me. I don’t know 
> anything, but it feels to me like my 700c wheels are faster than these 
> 650b. I am not slow on them, but also I would never use this bike for a 
> club ride if my other Platy was in the shop. Both bikes have Velocity 
> Quills, set up tubeless, but the Racing Platy has 42mm Ultradynamicos and 
> the My Little Platy has 48 mm Gravel Kings. Maybe these things are the real 
> differences, I don’t know.
>
> The bike is more compact and manageable but does not feel too small. I’m 
> so grateful for my 81 cm PBH, which allows me the flexibility to ride both 
> frame sizes. I have pretty heavy racks on the My Little Platy and yet the 
> bike doesn’t feel THAT heavy. I bet it would feel light as a feather if I 
> didn’t have fenders, racks, dyno and bags all over it. 
>
> The Silver shifters are taking some getting used to. One wingnut handle 
> flops and the other stays in place. The shifting was like butter, but when 
> I tightened the nut (hoping to stop the handle flapping) it made the lever 
> difficult to move. So, I loosened it again and I’m having some ghost 
> shifting. On my red bike, I have Microshift and I never miss a gear. I can 
> hit it perfectly, every darn time. Hoping I get the hang of these shifters, 
> because they come highly lauded. 
>
> The front end feels a bit shaky when I stand and pedal, another thing I 
> don’t understand. These are Albatross bars and I have Billies on the 
> others. Also, this bike has a front rack. Maybe that’s why. 
>
> At any rate, I have a lot to think about, fine tune and to learn. And I’m 
> having such fun in the process.
> Leah
>
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
> So deep. I couldn’t stand putting a solid color on the spacer when I saw 
> so many oil slick option in 1 1/4 inch. Sure enough, the BMXers came 
> through with the 1 in for me.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 24, 2024, at 11:27 AM, Wesley  wrote:
>
> You know you're in deep when you're sourcing BMX parts to get the look 
> right. It's funny how the bike world is almost completely separated between 
> BMX and all other bikes - the brands, the language, and the parts standards 
> apparently have almost no contact across the divide.
> -Wes
> On Thursday, May 23, 2024 at 3:51:53 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> IMO this ties with the other customized Platypus featured here recently 
>> for "nicest-looking Platypus in list history," and it probably wins the 
>> award for "most attention paid to aesthetics" in list history. Note: I 
>> think very many of the Rivs posted are lovely to look at.
>>
>> Me, as with Mitch, "I am a guy." I am fully OC about my bikes for parts 
>> and builds and design (I remember most of the parts from my first 1970 full 
>> build), but not aesthetics, and it's interesting to see how others' 
>> passions turn out.
>>
>> Cerakoting is new to me; had to Google it. I see it differs from 
>> anodizing, but, how exactly? Too bad webmeisters are generally better fancy 
>> web page design than conveying information -- this for global corporate 
>> websites as well as bike websites; the latter on the whole do better. I 
>> gather that anodizing is colored (or not) oxidizing while cerakoting is a 
>> --- coating.
>>
>> One of the early links that DDG turned up said: "Anodized versus 
>> Cerakote: Which is better for your AR15?"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 9:56 AM Armand Kizirian  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks super fun. Good to know Paul can anodize parts like that! Also 
>>> interested to hear how the different size rides for you. Enjoy!
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [RBW] Track Supermarket

[Armand Kizirian]

I ordered my Dura-Ace headset from them for my Platy. Really good deal and 
service as well, even with shipping costs/distance! Alex's Cycle can be 
cost effective as well sometimes with some rare goods in their inventory. 

On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 3:01:27 PM UTC-7 ian m wrote:

> Oh, that's helpful. I was really hoping for like a beautifully bound 
> volume with the blue cover &c.
>
> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> The catalog is on their home page, upper right in big letters :* PDF 
>> Catalog * :)  
>> https://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/index-E.html
>>
>>
>> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 4:27:02 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, May 24, 2024 at 11:49:33 AM UTC-4 Keith P. wrote:
>>>
>>> Where does one get a Nitto catalog?!
>>> k.
>>>
>>>
>>> Inquiring minds must know! 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Armand Kizirian]

Here's all the routes!

*Single Scoop:* 

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/46026284 


*Double Scoop:* 

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/46026274 


*Triple Scoop:* 

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/46627569 



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Re: [RBW] Silver Hub sound

[Armand Kizirian]

No need to decide against an otherwise excellent hub due to a loud freehub. 
Apply this stuff generously to the pawls and it will silence it several 
fold. https://www.dumondetech.com/portfolio/pro-x-freehub-grease/ 

Depending on how much you ride, you may need to reply it every few months 
or once a year to keep pawls silent. I use it on my mtb which has Industry 
Nine hubs with a billion engagement points so I can actually enjoy the 
sounds of nature. 

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 12:19:45 AM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:

> I have one pair of wheels built onto Onyx hubs, and because the rear hub 
> uses a sprag clutch instead of pawls or a star ratchet like DT Swiss, they 
> are completely silent when freewheeling. I find it very nice that when I'm 
> stooging along out in the country and stop pedalling, I don't have any 
> mechanical noise other than that of the tyres on the road.
>
> I can't say that I really care for the look of their Vesper model hubs, 
> which have scalloped edges on the hub flanges between the spoke holes and 
> stepped diameters on the hub shell. I prefer the older "Classic" model I 
> have (still available) that has a smoother outline. They're also pretty 
> pricey - almost up in Chris King territory.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Armand Kizirian]

To be clear Dan I don't think the additional width of the tires is what 
caused the discrepancy in seating the bead. This is an issue with the rim, 
not the tire size. 

I've noticed the difference in head tube angle. Been meaning to contact Riv 
and at least get the fork offset from both to determine potential 
differences in trail. I'm afraid I do enjoy a lot of the Platypus's 
handling characteristics because of the slacker head angle. 

On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 1:52:31 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:

> Thanks for the followup, Armand. Your experience is likely what made my 
> LBS recommend me staying with the 43s on my Quills. But good to know it's 
> possible if I ever insist! I don't mind anyway on that bike - the 43s suit 
> it perfectly and are plenty comfortable. They leave room for fenders too.
>
> With regards to switching to an Appaloosa, firstly, it's a great bike! I 
> love mine.
> Secondly, be aware that the geometry is slightly different at the front. 
> The Appaloosa has a 72 degree head tube angle vs. the 69.5 on the Platypus.
> Not sure what that means for real-world handling but I thought I'd point 
> it out.
> Which brings me to my next point: have you considered an Atlantis? I think 
> they have a similar HTU (70) and slightly more tyre clearance than an 
> Appaloosa too. The trouble is finding one...
>
> On Monday 27 May 2024 at 02:49:08 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Oh and @Dan, tubeless was without unordinary issue on the Velocity 
>> Quills. I will say though...
>>
>> I setup the same tires on my wheelset, and my partners bike, which has 
>> some WTB KOM i25 rims. The tires setup MUCH more easily on the WTB rims. 
>> The Quill's didn't present any *real* issue, but it was the difference 
>> of having tires immediately seat onto the bead with zero leakage, vs 
>> fussing for 2-minutes for the bead to catch on and stop splattering sealant 
>> everywhere. I used an air compressor with valve cores removed to initially 
>> seat the bead. 
>>
>> This is consistent with my experiences as a former bike mechanic. WTB's 
>> rims and tires have incredibly tight tolerances, for the better. I've 
>> personally never had a Velocity wheel setup as easily as a WTB rim. The 
>> tolerances of the bead shelf diameter can be tighter.
>>
>> Just yesterday I was on a long bike commute, put the bike on one of those 
>> public work stands to add some air to my tires, and my stupid Lezyne 
>> thread-on bike pump unthreaded my valve core upon removal (yes I purged the 
>> air before unthreading, and the valve core was tightened appropriately). I 
>> was surprised to see the bead of the tire unseat due to the pressure loss. 
>> My little hand pump did inflate the tire again fine, but there was some 
>> sealant weeping in the process. *With the wheel being completely off the 
>> ground, I think a well-designed tubeless rim should NOT unseat the bead of 
>> a tire simply due to losing air.* Especially with a high quality 
>> tubeless tire with a durable casing. My 3 (THREE ;) cents. 
>>
>> First train ride:
>>
>> [image: IMG_3477.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 10:08:00 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>
>>> @Eric - I'm mixed on the pretzel pedals. I chose them over the 
>>> Monarchs/Gamma because of the additional, wider support, and the sculptural 
>>> design matched the them I was going for. I'm afraid the aesthetics do not 
>>> match the function very well. The function of the pedal is heavily reliant 
>>> upon the pins. Remove the pins and you have a pretty terrible pedal, in 
>>> terms of have a flat, consistent surface on which to evenly distribute 
>>> weight, with some form of traction. The pins they come with are quite tall 
>>> and aggressive, the type that will mark and damage your shoe sole overtime. 
>>> They are quite effective, but, at least in my eyes, these are meant to be 
>>> beautiful pedals for pleasure riding, not downhill mtb'ing. I modified them 
>>> by putting in a mix of 1-2mm shorter brass m4 set screws. I like how they 
>>> are now, but wouldn't purchase them again. I'll probably end up with some 
>>> generic Shimano one-side platform/other side SPD pedal, as some of the dirt 
>>> trails I like to go on tangent to my city are incredibly steep. 
>>>
>>> Right now I'm experimenting with some Rene Herse knobbies. They roll 
>>> exceptionally well, are indeed quiet, but however, they have introduced a 
>>> consistent buzz that is transmitted to the pedals--feedback which I'm n

[RBW] Re: My Rivendell Platypus - A Forever Bike Build

[Armand Kizirian]

Thanks for the kind words Patrick. Thankfully others appreciate the bike 
quite frequently in person. Half the fun for sure. 

One last thing I'll say with the Velocity rims, it seems most of them are 
quite old. I'd wager designs and subsequent tooling on most of their lineup 
hasn't changed for over 10+ years. I recall a good difference between 
setting tubeless up 10+ years ago with the tires/rims of that era and now, 
with a vast improvement in ease, consistency, and reliability since then. 

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 3:19:13 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> To be clear Dan I don't think the additional width of the tires is what 
> caused the discrepancy in seating the bead. This is an issue with the rim, 
> not the tire size. 
>
> I've noticed the difference in head tube angle. Been meaning to contact 
> Riv and at least get the fork offset from both to determine potential 
> differences in trail. I'm afraid I do enjoy a lot of the Platypus's 
> handling characteristics because of the slacker head angle. 
>
> On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 1:52:31 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the followup, Armand. Your experience is likely what made my 
>> LBS recommend me staying with the 43s on my Quills. But good to know it's 
>> possible if I ever insist! I don't mind anyway on that bike - the 43s suit 
>> it perfectly and are plenty comfortable. They leave room for fenders too.
>>
>> With regards to switching to an Appaloosa, firstly, it's a great bike! I 
>> love mine.
>> Secondly, be aware that the geometry is slightly different at the front. 
>> The Appaloosa has a 72 degree head tube angle vs. the 69.5 on the Platypus.
>> Not sure what that means for real-world handling but I thought I'd point 
>> it out.
>> Which brings me to my next point: have you considered an Atlantis? I 
>> think they have a similar HTU (70) and slightly more tyre clearance than an 
>> Appaloosa too. The trouble is finding one...
>>
>> On Monday 27 May 2024 at 02:49:08 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Oh and @Dan, tubeless was without unordinary issue on the Velocity 
>>> Quills. I will say though...
>>>
>>> I setup the same tires on my wheelset, and my partners bike, which has 
>>> some WTB KOM i25 rims. The tires setup MUCH more easily on the WTB rims. 
>>> The Quill's didn't present any *real* issue, but it was the difference 
>>> of having tires immediately seat onto the bead with zero leakage, vs 
>>> fussing for 2-minutes for the bead to catch on and stop splattering sealant 
>>> everywhere. I used an air compressor with valve cores removed to initially 
>>> seat the bead. 
>>>
>>> This is consistent with my experiences as a former bike mechanic. WTB's 
>>> rims and tires have incredibly tight tolerances, for the better. I've 
>>> personally never had a Velocity wheel setup as easily as a WTB rim. The 
>>> tolerances of the bead shelf diameter can be tighter.
>>>
>>> Just yesterday I was on a long bike commute, put the bike on one of 
>>> those public work stands to add some air to my tires, and my stupid Lezyne 
>>> thread-on bike pump unthreaded my valve core upon removal (yes I purged the 
>>> air before unthreading, and the valve core was tightened appropriately). I 
>>> was surprised to see the bead of the tire unseat due to the pressure loss. 
>>> My little hand pump did inflate the tire again fine, but there was some 
>>> sealant weeping in the process. *With the wheel being completely off 
>>> the ground, I think a well-designed tubeless rim should NOT unseat the bead 
>>> of a tire simply due to losing air.* Especially with a high quality 
>>> tubeless tire with a durable casing. My 3 (THREE ;) cents. 
>>>
>>> First train ride:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3477.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 10:08:00 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Eric - I'm mixed on the pretzel pedals. I chose them over the 
>>>> Monarchs/Gamma because of the additional, wider support, and the 
>>>> sculptural 
>>>> design matched the them I was going for. I'm afraid the aesthetics do not 
>>>> match the function very well. The function of the pedal is heavily reliant 
>>>> upon the pins. Remove the pins and you have a pretty terrible pedal, in 
>>>> terms of have a flat, consistent surface on which to evenly distribute 
>>>> weight, with some form of traction. The pins they come with are quite tall 
>>>> an

Re: [RBW] The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Armand Kizirian]

Ha awesome meeting you Matt. Love that photo! Thanks so much for sharing, I 
don't keep social media on my phone so would have never seen it. Loved your 
Susie :) 

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 9:25:18 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> Love all these photos. Thanks to all for sharing and posting routes. Might 
> just do the triple scoop in June.
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 6:09:54 PM UTC-7 Matthew Miller wrote:
>
>> Few more photos to share from the ride. Did Single w/cherry on top plus a 
>> little side quest on a Susie. Was a super fun event with great vibes all 
>> around.
>>
>> @Armand so nice to meet you! Attached a screenshot from a great photo 
>> Blue Lug crew snapped of u :)
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Nitto Stems, Honjo, B17 Ti, Rons Bikes, Rene Herse, Paul, Tubus, & More

[Armand Kizirian]

Doing one last bump here. Updated list with discounts below, lots of Rene 
Herse tires! All proceeds help fund my upcoming bikepacking trip across 
Armenia! (Unfortunately not on my Platypus ;) 

*Updates Below: *Pics Here. 
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>
 *Prices 
include shipping. *Slight discounts for multiple parts. DM me privately. 

- Rene Herse Hatcher Pass 700x48 Extralight Tires (skinwall) - About 50 
miles on road, 15 miles on dirt. 98% life left. I LOVE these tires but 
going with knobbies! - $140 over $200 new
- Rene Herse Switchback Hill - 650 x 48mm extralight, black pair - New in 
sealed bag - $165 - Over $200 new 
- Rene Herse Switchback Hills 650x48 Standard Tires (skinwall) - These have 
seen plenty of use, I would say they have about 40% life left. One large 
screw puncture last year, never presented a problem (never ran tubeless). 
Tires rotated frequently so very even wear between both. - $50 shipped  
- Patagonia Houdini windbreaker NEW! Size small, belay blue that's sold out 
everywhere - $80 ($110 new)

   - Nitto Stem Spreading Tool #4 - Used once - $30!


   - Honjo Turtle 63 Polished Fenders 700c - New and gorgeous - $110 (over 
   $150 shipped new)
   

   - Paul Gino Polished Light Mount - New - $30 ($53 new for polished 
   version)
   - Tubus Vega Evo Rear Rack - Black - New - $100 
   - Ultegra CS-R800 11-34 11 speed cassette ~20% worn - $40 
   
With purchase of any items above: 

   - Rivendell mini triangle reflector new - $8
   

   - Dia Compe canti cable hangar - I think never used - $10
   - Shimano BB-UN300 118mm bottom bracket - new take-off - $10 
   

   - Giro merino wool t-shirt jersey - Size medium w/ holes - $15


On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Updates listed below with some price drops too. Plus the addition of TWO 
> more pairs of Rene Herse tires: 
>
> New additions: 
>
>- Rene Herse Hatcher Pass 700x48 Extralight Tires (skinwall) - About 
>50 miles on road, 15 miles on dirt. Excellent condition with 95% life 
> left. 
>I LOVE these tires but going with knobbies! - $150 shipped 
>- Rene Herse Switchback Hills 650x48 Standard Tires (skinwall) - These 
>have seen plenty of use, I would say they have about 40% life left. One 
>large screw puncture last year, never presented a problem (never ran 
>tubeless). Tires rotated frequently so very even wear between both. - $75 
>shipped  
>
> *Updates Below: *Pics Here. 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>
>  *Prices 
> include shipping. *Slight discounts for multiple parts. DM me privately. 
>
>- Nitto Tallux 25.5 - 90mm - New - SOLD
>- Nitto Tig Faceplater 110mm 25.4 - NLA 225mm quill - New - SOLD 
>
>
>- Nitto Stem Spreading Tool #4 - Used once - $35
>
>
>- Rene Herse Switchback Hill - 650 x 48mm extralight, black pair - New 
>in sealed bag - $175
>
>
>- Honjo Turtle 63 Polished Fenders 700c - New - $125
>
>
>- Rons Bikes Fanny - Black X50 - Lightly used, waist strap is cut off, 
>bar/saddle bag use only - $110* - Pending, still encourage to contact*
>- Brooks B17 Titanium - Black -  SOLD 
>
>
>- Rivendell Complete 26.8mm Seatpost (new take-off from Platypus) - $45
>
>
>- Nitto EC-02 Gold Bar End Plugs ( 15.5-17.5mm inner diameter ) - New 
>-  SOLD 
>
>
>- Paul Gino Polished Light Mount - New - $30 ($53 new for polished 
>version)
>- Tubus Vega Evo Rear Rack (not pictured) - Black - New - $100
>- Tubus Airy Titanium Rear Rack - New - $350 (Expensive because I want 
>to keep it) 
>
> With purchase of any items above: 
>
>- Dia Compe canti cable hangar - I think never used - $10
>- Newbaums tape - x2 teal x1 gray - $10
>- Shimano BB-UN300 118mm bottom bracket - new take-off - $10 
>
>
>- ESI Chunky Grips - Green - New - $15
>
>
>- Giro merino wool t-shirt jersey - Size medium w/ holes - $15
>- Pletscher Edge Kickstand - $20
>
>
>
> Potential Trades: 
>
>- Nitto 90-190 Faceplater Stems - 25.4 - 135mm 
>- Nitto Wavie or KT Bar
>
>
>- Rons Bikes or Similar Bar/Saddle Bags in lightweight fabric
>- Oracle Ridge Endurance Tires 
>
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:15:12 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> Platypus is done done and last bits for sale! Ride report and build 
>> thread coming soon :) 
>>
>> Pics Here. 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>
>>  
>> Prices include shipping. Slight discounts for multiple parts. DM 

[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Nitto Stems, Honjo, B17 Ti, Rons Bikes, Rene Herse, Paul, Tubus, & More

[Armand Kizirian]

 Doing one last bump here. Updated list with discounts below, lots of Rene 
Herse tires! All proceeds help fund my upcoming bikepacking trip across 
Armenia! (Unfortunately not on my Platypus ;) 

*Updates Below: *Pics Here. 
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>
 *Prices 
include shipping. *Slight discounts for multiple parts. DM me privately. 


   - Rene Herse Hatcher Pass 700x48 Extralight Tires (skinwall) - About 50 
   miles on road, 15 miles on dirt. 98% life left. I LOVE these tires but 
   going with knobbies! - $140 over $200 new
   - Rene Herse Switchback Hill - 650 x 48mm extralight, black pair - New 
   in sealed bag - $165 - Over $200 new 
   - Rene Herse Switchback Hills 650x48 Standard Tires (skinwall) - These 
   have seen plenty of use, I would say they have about 40% life left. One 
   large screw puncture last year, never presented a problem (never ran 
   tubeless). Tires rotated frequently so very even wear between both. - $50 
   shipped  
   - Patagonia Houdini windbreaker NEW! Size small, belay blue that's sold 
   out everywhere - $80 ($110 new)
   

   - Nitto Stem Spreading Tool #4 - Used once - $30!


   - Honjo Turtle 63 Polished Fenders 700c - New and gorgeous - $110 (over 
   $150 shipped new)
   

   - Paul Gino Polished Light Mount - New - $30 ($53 new for polished 
   version)


   - Tubus Vega Evo Rear Rack - Black - New - $100 
   - Ultegra CS-R800 11-34 11 speed cassette ~20% worn - $40 
   
With purchase of any items above: 

   - Rivendell mini triangle reflector new - $8
   - Nitto 26.0 - 25.4 shim - $10
   

   - Dia Compe canti cable hangar - I think never used - $10
   

   - Shimano BB-UN300 118mm bottom bracket - new take-off - $10 
   

   - Giro merino wool t-shirt jersey - Size medium w/ holes - $15



On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 7:48:51 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Updates listed below with some price drops too. Plus the addition of TWO 
> more pairs of Rene Herse tires: 
>
> New additions: 
>
>- Rene Herse Hatcher Pass 700x48 Extralight Tires (skinwall) - About 
>50 miles on road, 15 miles on dirt. Excellent condition with 95% life 
> left. 
>I LOVE these tires but going with knobbies! - $150 shipped 
>- Rene Herse Switchback Hills 650x48 Standard Tires (skinwall) - These 
>have seen plenty of use, I would say they have about 40% life left. One 
>large screw puncture last year, never presented a problem (never ran 
>tubeless). Tires rotated frequently so very even wear between both. - $75 
>shipped  
>
> *Updates Below: *Pics Here. 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>
>  *Prices 
> include shipping. *Slight discounts for multiple parts. DM me privately. 
>
>- Nitto Tallux 25.5 - 90mm - New - SOLD
>- Nitto Tig Faceplater 110mm 25.4 - NLA 225mm quill - New - SOLD 
>
>
>- Nitto Stem Spreading Tool #4 - Used once - $35
>
>
>- Rene Herse Switchback Hill - 650 x 48mm extralight, black pair - New 
>in sealed bag - $175
>
>
>- Honjo Turtle 63 Polished Fenders 700c - New - $125
>
>
>- Rons Bikes Fanny - Black X50 - Lightly used, waist strap is cut off, 
>bar/saddle bag use only - $110* - Pending, still encourage to contact*
>- Brooks B17 Titanium - Black -  SOLD 
>
>
>- Rivendell Complete 26.8mm Seatpost (new take-off from Platypus) - $45
>
>
>- Nitto EC-02 Gold Bar End Plugs ( 15.5-17.5mm inner diameter ) - New 
>-  SOLD 
>
>
>- Paul Gino Polished Light Mount - New - $30 ($53 new for polished 
>version)
>- Tubus Vega Evo Rear Rack (not pictured) - Black - New - $100
>- Tubus Airy Titanium Rear Rack - New - $350 (Expensive because I want 
>to keep it) 
>
> With purchase of any items above: 
>
>- Dia Compe canti cable hangar - I think never used - $10
>- Newbaums tape - x2 teal x1 gray - $10
>- Shimano BB-UN300 118mm bottom bracket - new take-off - $10 
>
>
>- ESI Chunky Grips - Green - New - $15
>
>
>- Giro merino wool t-shirt jersey - Size medium w/ holes - $15
>- Pletscher Edge Kickstand - $20
>
>
>
> Potential Trades: 
>
>- Nitto 90-190 Faceplater Stems - 25.4 - 135mm 
>- Nitto Wavie or KT Bar
>
>
>- Rons Bikes or Similar Bar/Saddle Bags in lightweight fabric
>- Oracle Ridge Endurance Tires 
>
>
> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 5:15:12 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> Platypus is done done and last bits for sale! Ride report and build 
>> thread coming soon :) 
>>
>> Pics Here. 
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rugmw3ro8yrml31nmh7mx/h?rlkey=f392uj4lg6fsl7c3cejz9yn9t&dl=0>
>&g

[RBW] Re: My new Wired Magazine article about fat, supple tires

[Armand Kizirian]

It was about 2013-4, I felt like I was on the cutting edge of bike 
innovation as a 23 year old converting my Salsa Vaya from 700x35 to 650x48. 
I'll never forget that first commute from those panaracer pasela's to the 
compass (now rene herse) 48's. Magic carpet ride indeed! 

Joe, how would you describe the arc of your writing career to be a 
journalist for Wired?

On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 7:37:37 AM UTC-7 Steve wrote:

> Joe, thanks for posting the link to your article. Well done! 
>
> I currently have three bikes with tire widths, in ascending order, from 40 
> to 48mm.  I also recently gifted a fourth bike to my daughter - a late 90s 
> race bike I converted from 700c to  650b with 38mm RH slicks mounted 
> beneath VO fenders. (The poor girl, all she had for road riding was a 
> carbon fiber Liv with naked 23mm tires!!!).  
>
> You might say I'm a true believer. 
>
> Steve in AVL
>
> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:44:13 AM UTC-4 Joe Ray wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ted,
>> Was definitely thinking about all the potential feedback--and wishing 
>> 603s became a thing so I could plug them into my older bikes.
>> Thanks for the good words!
>> Joe
>>
>> On Thursday, May 30, 2024 at 8:36:15 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 6:42:21 PM UTC-5 Joe Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> Along with being a Homer owner, my day job is as a journalist for Wired 
>>> magazine. My regular beat is kitchen equipment, but this past weekend I had 
>>> a story out about the glories of riding on fat, supple tires:
>>>
>>>
>>> I enjoyed the sidebar with all the appropriate disclaimers to head off 
>>> the inevitable internet feedback on how uninformed you are. And a shoutout 
>>> to 603 ...you have definitely been drinking Grant's Kool-Aid!
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Touch-up paint

[Armand Kizirian]

Just call Riv HQ, they usually have little bottles if you ask nicely. 

On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 9:33:44 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> The original orange Rambouillet was a two pass paint job using House Of 
> Kolor paints. That specific method of paint application is not used any 
> longer.  
>
> I had documented that a while back here - 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/color.html
>
> Jim
>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 5:54:41 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> John
>>
>> No, I don't think anything particular about the Nation of Japan directly 
>> influenced the shade of orange of the orange Rambouillet.  Rambouillets got 
>> that paint job because they got that paint job.  Orange Hillbornes got 
>> their different paint job because that's the paint job they got.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-7 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> Would the Rambouillets being built in Japan have anything to do with the 
>>> shade of orange???   The Waterford colors seem to be the colors they used 
>>> for the Rivendell models they made.  
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 4:54:44 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Orange Sam Hillbornes and Orange Rambouillets are both "sparkly 
 metallic Orange" in color FAMILY.  They are not identical.  The 
 multi-coated treatment of the Orange Rambouillets have been described as a 
 "thousand dollar paint job".  Whether a scratch on an Orange Rambouillet 
 could be made slightly less ugly with the $50 Hilborne Orange touchup from 
 Waterford, that's up to the beholder.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA 

 On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 1:35:04 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Does anyone know if the Sam Hilborne Orange is the same as Rambouillet 
> orange?
> Max 
>
> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 10:21:02 PM UTC-4 Roy Summer wrote:
>
>> Sometimes you can find nail polish that will match or come very 
>> close. Clear polish will help prevent rust if you can’t find a color 
>> match.
>>
>> On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 9:31:18 PM UTC-4 gds...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I need Pea Sage Green. Got a "beusage" spot on my Romulus.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024, 4:49 PM Zac  wrote:
>>>
 FWIW, I was checking the Gunnar/Waterford site to see if they had 
 my paint color (I ordered a bottle when I first heard they were 
 shutting 
 down, but it broke during a move) and noticed they added some Riv 
 colors:

 Rivendell Atlantis Green
 Rivendell Cream
 Rivendell Head Tube Ivory
 Rivendell Homer Hilsen Blue
 Rivendell Jay's Green
 Rivendell Light Blue Met
 Rivendell Light Green
 Rivendell Pearly Arctic Blue
 Rivendell Roadeo R
 Rivendell Roadeo White
 Rivendell Sage
 Rivendell Sam Hilborne Orange

 I think the touch-up paint is now shipped in plastic bottles 
 instead of glass like I received.
 https://waterfordbikes.com/fv/store/Touch-up-one-step-p579850196

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[RBW] Re: Last Susie fit question (with photos!) & a second Riv Gus?!

[Armand Kizirian]

Difference in reach between the two models is only 1.5cm, you can adjust 
for it with stem length without an issue in the age of 80-135mm. I wouldn't 
trust any opinion on fit based on the photos you've provided, especially 
since your feet are floating. :D Only you know best. 

Your PBH is within range for both sizes. It all depends what kind of fit 
you prefer, being "on" the bike (smaller size, more playful/nimble) or "in" 
the bike (larger size, more stable and relaxed). 

[image: Screenshot 2024-06-08 111731.png]
On Saturday, June 8, 2024 at 9:14:43 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

>
> That's going to be hard to tell without riding.  Based on my own 
> experience and preferences, I'd guess you'll want to stretch out a little 
> more.  Either longer stem or less sweep on the bars.  Completely 
> speculation though.
>
> I'm a chronic cockpit tinkerer, and mess with bars and stem on at least 
> two of my bikes every year.  I've noticed one un-scientific constant every 
> time I get a setup feeling close to ideal:  if I draw an imaginary line 
> between my hands (where they grip the bar), and sight through that line 
> while riding, the bead from my eyes will almost exactly  intersect the axis 
> of the front hub.  I don't know what the connection is or why it always 
> turns out this way, but assume it has to do with weighting and stabilizing 
> the steering adequately.   It looks to me like you would be sighting behind 
> the axle as currently mocked up? 
>
>  Good news is that that that bike doesn't look too small.  In case you 
> were still worried you got the wrong size.
>
> Regarding a second:  I'd never try to talk someone out of a second riv.  
> But keep in mind that the susie is very different from other rivendell 
> models.I think the lowered bb height of yours will help, compared to my 
> first run orange one, but bet its still quite different.  My AR, Ram, 
> Saluki, QB and Clem - though mostly older models - all have a 
> characteristic Riv "feel".  My Susie is completely different.  I'd consider 
> getting a different model for variety's sake.
> On Friday, June 7, 2024 at 11:54:24 PM UTC-6 johnwc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Ok, just wanted a final opinion. 
>>
>> Here is the 50cm Susie I took delivery of. I've mocked this up with 26" 
>> Cliffhangers (I didn't have 27.5 rim brake set on hand), Ortho bars, 100mm 
>> Nitto stem, Brooks saddle. Saddle height is about 64/65cm and my PBH is 
>> about 78. 
>>
>> How does this fit look? Specifically, reach. 
>>
>> Without properly riding it, my first impression was that it felt ok-ish. 
>> Hard to tell without actually going for a ride. Didn't feel too stretched 
>> out and not really cramped either. 
>>
>> To throw another wrench in things, I have an opportunity to pickup a used 
>> 54cm Gus frame. Do I need to have a second Riv right now? No! But, we all 
>> know how bikes go. If anything, my partner could probably ride either frame 
>> so, it wouldn't be a lost cause. 
>> Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to have 2 Rivs!! 
>>
>> Using the photos of me on the 50cm Susie, do you think a 54cm Gus would 
>> be too large? 
>>
>> Thanks y'all! 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Just restored '95 Riv Road

[Armand Kizirian]

God that is gorgeous. Good you on for being content with a bike/frame for 
so long! Cheers to another 25 years of riding. 

On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 2:49:17 PM UTC-8 peter@gmail.com wrote:

> Steve, 
> Here are a few more photos.  
>
> I'm a  mostly-retired IT director/executive and more recently a 
> photographer (and thus the studio shots). I was actually surprised how nice 
> they came out as it was a rush job with a single light source (which was a 
> 72" umbrella). Anyway, sometimes less is more!
>
>  [image: _PSG0700- FM sRGB 2400px.jpg]
> [image: _PSG0703- FM sRGB 2400px.jpg]
>
> [image: _PSG0706- FM sRGB 2400px.jpg]
>
> [image: _PSG0715- FM sRGB 2400px.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 11:26:30 AM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Wow! Beautiful restoration. I love the fact that you've owned the bike 
>> since it's inception - and are still into it enough to lavish that much 
>> love on it. Thanks for posting. Share some more pics. I'd love to see the 
>> details.
>>
>> On Thursday, February 9, 2023 at 10:36:36 AM UTC-5 peter@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This may be my first post here,  though it's likely I posted way back 
>>> when  (I probably should check that!) 
>>>
>>> ... So I just had my 1995 Rivendell Road restored at Waterford Precision 
>>> Cycles late last Fall.  I actually ordered the frame in 1995, it was brazed 
>>> at the Waterford factory in late '95 and delivered to me in January of 
>>> 1996.  So I consider a 1995. It was originally Sherwood Forest Green.  
>>>
>>> Here it is now:
>>>
>>> [image: Rivendell Studio 1-28-230034- Format10 export.jpg]
>>>
>>> By luck or happenstance, I actually worked directly with Richard Schwinn 
>>> on the project and I gravitated toward the color "*English Light Blue 
>>> metalic"  *when I saw a sample *.  *At first I wasn't sure the re-paint 
>>> would happen as a few surface rust spots could have been worse than 
>>> suspected, but all the potential problems turned out to be superficial.
>>>
>>> I rode this bike over the last 27+ years in a variety of 
>>> configurations:  as a near-racer, later a fendered commuter, at some points 
>>> I added indexed Suntour Superbe derailleurs and later an old Simplex rear 
>>> friction derailleur. It had Modolo brakes for years as well as some 1989 
>>> single Pivot Dura-Ace calipers. Eventually it received hand-me-down older 
>>> racing bike parts, Shimano and Campy,  from my racing bikes and it is now 
>>> pretty much a traditional British style race bike in the tradition of the 
>>> Bridgestone RB-1, except with 11-speed drive train.  
>>>
>>> This current build is mostly Campy with an Athena rear derailleur (I 
>>> wanted a lot of chrome), Record square taper BB and crank (maybe my 
>>> favorite crank of all time),  rebuilt Record hubs, Chorus calipers and 
>>> record front derailleur..  The seatpost is a cool Salsa that can be tilted 
>>> with out loosening the clamp. Stem is a wonderful old Nitto Pearl. Rims are 
>>> Hed Belgium with 28c Rene Hearse tires. The seat is a no-name something or 
>>> other I found on Amazon and bought for the color, turns out to be a great 
>>> seat for me.
>>>
>>> So I  just finished the build last week and felt this was a good place 
>>> to share. I have a particular affinity for the Richard Sachs designed lugs.
>>>
>>> [image: _PSG0709- FM sRGB 2400px 1.jpg] 
>>>
>>> Here is a cloud folder of frame-only photos and a few after built.
>>> https://ln5.sync.com/dl/daf4b7440/vjrbrwbt-ipme6hme-k74hpdjr-9ky5ayyr
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1988-89 Matching "His & Hers" Stumpjumpers w/ Platypus Complete Build

[Armand Kizirian]

Hey Jake, 

U-brakes predominantly became the industry standard for most commonly 
produced vintage mtb's mainly between 1987-88, though they started 
appearing as soon as 1985. By 1989 most were gone. I'm open to being 
corrected should someone know better. This is what I've observed in my 
vintage mtb nerdery from years ago.

The original u-brake's don't age very well, but Dia-Compe's new/modern 
u-brake offerings provide all the adjustability of a modern canti-lever. 
Slightly more difficult to access yes, but otherwise if well adjusted, it 
should not require attention for quite some time, like most brakes. 

-Armand "puts-the-nicest-u-brakes-on-his-bikes" in Santa Monica, CA

On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 1:53:24 PM UTC-7 Jacob Kersey wrote:

>
> Hi Armand, lovely bikes, thanks for sharing. Plenty of care and attention 
> to detail evident in those builds and the photos you linked.
>
> Curious if you (or any of the vintage MTB oldheads on the list) have any idea 
> why the larger model has a chainstay mounted U-brake vs the rear canti 
> posts on the smaller bike? Was this a factory-specced difference between 
> sizes? Random variation? Custom post fab job? Almost picked one of these up 
> locally a few weeks back, but my U-brake bias got in the way.
>
> best of luck with the sale,
> -Jake "u-brake-it-u-don't-buy-it" in Oakland, CA
> On Friday, July 19, 2024 at 12:54:22 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> What? Vintage 1980's Specialized Stumpjumpers? On the RBW Owner's bunch? 
>> If having the entirety of parts from my Platypus complete put on one of 
>> these bikes is not considered blasphemy, well then I'm in luck. :) 
>>
>> A very special pair of bikes I have meticulously restored with lots of 
>> custom details, like a *only-one-in-the-world* Merz Magenta/Dinucci 
>> Green Mt. Zefal frame pump and custom "vintage mtb nerd" bar end plugs. The 
>> larger of the two is setup as a period correct MTB, with the smaller setup 
>> as a Rivendell! 
>>
>> RBW Owner's bunch pricing is $2500 OBO for *both* bikes. I am open to 
>> selling individually and/or shipping at buyer's expense. Local pick-up in 
>> Santa Monica. View my feeBay listing here 
>>  for more photos and full 
>> details! 
>>
>> [image: IMG_3184.JPG]
>>
>> Happy Riding, 
>> Armand
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Help me lighten up Sam

[Armand Kizirian]

You're looking to lighten up in the wrong place. For a fully 
racked/fendered/brooksed/dynamo'd bike, you're doing great. How much did 
your gear weigh?

Lighten up your camping load. It's rather absurd (most of the time) how 
much people do not consider what things weigh when they pack for a tour. 
Sure, sometimes it's an overnighter without a demanding route, but for 
anything that will prove to push your comfort zone in fitness, take out a 
nice postal scale and start weighing things. You've got backpacking 
experience, pretend like you're carrying your kit on your back, not your 
bike, and you'll drop some weight. ;) 

I just got back from an international bikepacking tour. Fully 
self-supported, including prepared for rainy conditions, all my 
bags/touring kit weighed under 15lbs dry (no food/water). Granted, the 
touring bag setup I used (rackless) is far from a typical Riv touring setup.

On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 8:17:20 PM UTC-7 captaincon...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Ditch the racks, fenders, and Brooks saddle, and switch to 1x gearing.  I 
> have a jack the bike rack with basket and bag, a jumbo jammer handle 
> handlebar bag, and a bxb frame bag--none of which has to be on the bike, 
> but I could schlep a lot in different configurations.  The only bag that 
> lives on a bike is my saddle bag.  Also, a WTB pure saddle is cheap, comfy, 
> and light.
>
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 10:00:24 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Lightening a bike is about a dollar per gram. $454 per pound. Spend what 
>> you can afford. 
>>
>> BL in EC. 
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 7:53 PM Pam Bikes  wrote:
>>
>>> My Betty is heavier than all your bikes.  Just like Leah, I have a 
>>> donkey.  Don't try to ride as many miles fully loaded unless you're used to 
>>> it.  A veteran bike tourist told me to shoot for 30-50 miles/day to make it 
>>> more of a vacation.  I totally agree.  I like to linger at a nice cafe 
>>> occasionally or check out a monument, etc.  All the weight you have is 
>>> worth it and it's rolling weight.  This picture is from my trip from 
>>> Brandon, VT to Montreal to Labelle, QC about 300 miles.  My boyfriend 
>>> carried the tent![image: ptdna.JPEG]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 10:28:45 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
 I feel your pain my friend. My Riv is also a little portly and I am 
 constantly scheming to lighten it up. 

 Here are my suggestions:

 Ditch the front derailleur and the biggest chainring, and the front 
 shifter, go "one by".
 Get an electric pump and pump up your tires to a PSI that feels just 
 right for you and your gear. Ride around wiht a notepad for a few weeks 
 and 
 try different pressures. I have this electric pump that is accurate to a 
 half a PSI. 
 https://www.amazon.com/EPAuto-Portable-Compressor-Digital-Inflator/dp/B01L9WSTEG
 Switch to Schwalbe Aerothan tubes (I just got one and I'm trying it out 
 now. Feels lighter a little bit.)
 Get SKS plastic fenders or ditch fenders entirely for the tour (bring 
 rain pants instead). 

 Get a titanium railed Brooks? (expensive but kewl)
 Ditch the front rack and run two panniers plus a duffle bag or saddle 
 bag on top. 
 Ditch the dynamo and ride during the day? 
 Switch to nylon pedals? 

 I hope these help! Post a ride report from your camping trip please. 

 Michael




 On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 9:24:41 PM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:

> I've got to agree with the others. A typical light-ish weight steel 
> touring build is maybe ~25lbs. I'm sure you could drop some weight but I 
> don't see 6lbs being worth the trading off in comfort or functionality. 
>
> That said some places to look:
> - saddle: drop a pound by switching the brooks for a plastic saddle
> - fenders: another pound
> - wheels: lighter wheel build (still need to be strong for loaded 
> touring), tubeless?, lose the dynamo and headlight; maybe save 2lbs?
> - the last 2 pounds might take some work (stem, bars, crank, etc.)
>
> I think I'd keep the six pounds...
>
> -Dave
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 9:00:55 PM UTC-4 Steve wrote:
>
>> Bob, sounds like a great build for touring. I'm not trying to be 
>> flippant here, but you might consider adding lower gearing to your bike 
>> if 
>> you're using it for loaded travel. Sure, you'l go slower, but you'll 
>> enjoy 
>> it more. 
>>
>> If you add  up the weight of your bike + your gear + your body weight 
>> and then calculate the 2 or 3 pounds you might loose as a percentage you 
>> might just decide that decreasing the utility of the bike is not worth 
>> the 
>> trade-off.  
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 8:30:51 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Addendum to frames and feelings: my much procl

Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Touring cantilever performance versus Paul Neo Retro

[Armand Kizirian]

One thing to consider is the optimal straggle cable/yoke height of each, 
and if there is anything interfering with that positioning. If you have 
certain fork-crown mounted racks, it may prevent the straddle cable from 
getting as low as it could to have the maximum stopping power. I run 
touring canti's F&R and I would give up some modulation for power on my 
front brakes but my Nitto F32 is in the way of my yoke getting any lower. I 
have more than enough grip strength to stop the bike as much as I would 
ever need, but wouldn't mind a lighter touch to the lever. This is a 
non-issue with neo-retro's as their optimal placement is quite high. 

On Saturday, July 27, 2024 at 6:13:00 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, all. The Tourings in back and the Neo Retros on front work -- 
> alright. That is, with pad embedding and the RH hanger noted below they've 
> gone from "I guess they'll do" to "really, they're fine." They don't have 
> the authoritative "Stop Now!" feeling of a good forged single pivot with 
> salmons on a well-bedded rim, let alone the rather grabby power of a dual 
> pivot, but I've certainly used worse brakes.
>
> I wonder -- expect? -- if the Dura Ace BL7402 levers are not best for 
> these brakes ...?
>
> I did improve the front Neo Retro a bit by replacing the steel and short 
> housing hanger with a deeper-drop and very stiff aluminum RH hanger and the 
> braking is slightly but noticeably more "powerful." On this evidence I 
> suppose it might be worth installing compressionless housing but I don't 
> want to bother. I might try lengthening the cable and shortening the 
> straddle cable accordingly, but there's less than 1" above the fender (42s 
> under 50 mm fenders) to play with; does anyone advise that a ~ 1/2" longer 
> cable and correspondingly shorter and shallower-angled straddle would make 
> a difference?
>
> In the rear the mono-strut fender attachment to the seatstay bridge 
> prevents lowering the straddle any further.
>
> Oh well, f and r work as well as any cantilevers with drop bar levers that 
> I've used over the decades --- *except!!!* the ineffably strong and 
> perfectly modulating IRD Cafam cantilevers installed by 
> competent-for-a-change Rivendell staff on the 2010 Sam Hill I bought. I 
> might have bought those for the Matthews except (1) I need low-profiles in 
> the rear and (2) the reputation for precise tolerances -- avoiding slop -- 
> in the Pauls makes them the safe choice for the otherwise horrible judder 
> and squeal resulting from the excessively long steerer and head on this 58 
> cm (c-c but sloping tt and highly extended head and steerer) built for 26" 
> wheels, fully 2 1/2" smaller than similar 700C wheels. (And can't use 
> crown-mount housing stop on this fork.)
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 11:00 AM J J  wrote:
>
>> I've used both Touring and Neo-Retro. I've never felt any discernible 
>> difference in slowing and stopping capacity between them. 
>>
>> As some here have suggested — and my experiences bear this out —  braking 
>> acumen is always predicated on how the Paul brakes are set up. There are 
>> too many factors and variables at play to say that one model is inherently 
>> better than the other because performance is predicated on the interplay 
>> between these variables — levers, cables, housing, pads, straddle wires and 
>> yokes, angles, mechanical advantage, springs, rim surfaces, riding 
>> conditions, etc. etc. An "all other things being equal" comparison scenario 
>> is thus practically impossible. (You can have poorly set up "strong" brakes 
>> that do not perform well and "weak" brakes that perform great because they 
>> are set up nicely. This goes for any type of brakes, not just cantilevers, 
>> which I believe don't deserve their reputation for being particularly 
>> persnickety to set up relative to other types of brakes.) 
>>
>> I prefer the Neo-Retros and have them front and rear on a couple of bikes 
>> because I think they look a lot better than the Touring, which are ungainly 
>> to my eyes. The rear Neo-Retros have not interfered with any of my bags, 
>> racks, or heels. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 10:59:06 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> I have bikes with both and feel like the touring canti is more powerful 
>>> than the neo-retro but feel like that shouldn't be the case. I believe that 
>>> I read somewhere that the physics involved in the neo-retro should provide 
>>> more leverage and power but that simply hasn't been my experience. Of 
>>> course, this could just be my setup including cable length and bend angle, 
>>> brake pads, wheels, etc. That said, if I were ordering a set, I'd go 
>>> touring canti every time given my experience and the lower profile of the 
>>> touring. Most of my bikes have racks, bags, fenders, and the neo-retro gets 
>>> in the way sometimes. I will say that it's hard to compare a single front 
>>> brake to a single rear brake as the front usually feels stronger due

Re: [RBW] Re: 2024 Appaloosa Thread

[Armand Kizirian]

FYI I spoke to Grant over the phone today and the new Appaloosa's are 
indeed slacker. They have a 70 degree head tube angle in order to increase 
the front-center and wheelbase. Apparently better for trail riding with no 
downside to paved riding.  

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 11:12:39 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> I personally wish they’d bring back the double top tube. I like the look 
> of the green one tho, looked killer on the Platy. 
>
> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 4:43:28 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote:
>
>> It's beautiful. Looks comfy and capable and just the right balance of 
>> black and silver!
>>
>> On the topic of Appaloosas, and entering the realm of pure speculation:
>> With a slacker head tube angle (using the Atlantis lugs?) and wider tyre 
>> clearance, the Appaloosa sounds very similar indeed to the previous 
>> Atlantis.
>> I wonder if that leaves room for the next Atlantis to shift to something 
>> different?
>>
>> On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 11:31:48 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_8546.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:52:50 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>
 Not derailing at all! Well done on resisting temptation. I agree with 
 you that the Hog's Back meets a very similar use case to the Joe: an 
 all-round, all-road tourer that can do anything and go anywhere, if 
 slowly. 
 I was eyeing off a Hog's Back before I picked up the Joe! Would you mind 
 sharing photos of your bike - I'd love to see it!

 On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 04:27:12 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I was vey tempted to get a green one but having thought 
> extensively about it, I think I will keep my Bassi Hog's Back and ride 
> that. Aside from the very long rear end, the reach is pretty similar and 
> its been hard for me to justify selling a whole bike for less than the 
> cost 
> of a frame, especially when I have been quite happy with my Bassi. I 
> don't 
> mean to derail this conversation at all, but I'm happy with myself for 
> resisting such a big temptation. One day Rivendell will take my money, 
> just 
> not this round.
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:24:58 AM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>
> Some great sleuthing and info here!
> I’ll add in another one that I’m pretty sure I’m not imagining: the 
> chain stays look a tad shorter. 
>
> On Saturday 10 August 2024 at 22:21:06 UTC+9:30 Dorothy C wrote:
>
> I noticed they got down tube shifter bosses with the upcoming ones. 
> Kind of surprising on a sturdy bike. 
> Here is a picture of my 2016 model sky blue 46cm, a 26” wheel bike, my 
> first Riv bike purchase.
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 4:16:17 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Despite everyone providing fantastic advice regarding my Sam rebuild. 
>  I must admit, I am still incredibly interested in replacing the Sam with 
> a 
> green Joe.
>
> Regarding tire clearance specifically…Grant told me this run of Joes 
> would now match current Atlantis tire clearances.
>
> R,
>
> Drew
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 10, 2024, at 6:27 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>
> Watching thread, and curious about the same thing - especially since 
> they felt it necessary to get new prototypes. 
>
>
> The geometry chart still shows it having a slightly steeper headtube 
> and shorter top tube than the equivalent Atlantis, which suprises me 
> every 
> time I've ever looked for this info.  (You kind of have to extrapolate, 
> because the respective sizes alternate.)  Will's email said they will be 
> updating the website eventually/soon.
>
> I've asked this before, but can anyone describe how the various 
> versions have evolved over time?  I know the fork legs got stiffer after 
> the first batch, and the double top tube was dropped from the larger 
> sizes, 
> but I'm particularly interested in geometry and tire clearance 
> improvements. 
>
> I have more bikes than I need - especially Rivendells - but still 
> always daydream about that n+1.  The Appaloosa is the model that has the 
> least overlap to the bikes I already have and -  unlike any Atlantis ever 
> - 
> comes in a size that would fit me.  If it got longer and slacker, it 
> would 
> be even better.  
>
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Re: [RBW] 2024 Appaloosa Thread

[Armand Kizirian]

Dan, I love the way the Platypus rides, but I've come to prefer the 
function of a full front triangle. I've gotten used to having a custom half 
frame bag with two bottles (+ third!) on my other bikes. I'd like to have 
the same with my Riv. For some reason I don't like the ana purple on the 
Appaloosa as much as I do on my Platypus though! Sergio green seems too 
boring to me. Those lime-olive Appa's would be the winner for me. I 
definitely don't care enough to pull the trigger on this batch, but if 
someone reading this happens to want to trade a 55 Platy for a 54 Appa 
shoot me a DM. 

On Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 9:49:36 AM UTC-7 ethan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Same! When did they stop making them with double top tubes? Do you know if 
> future Atlantis frames will have a double top tube? They look quite nice 
> and sturdy, especially on the larger bikes.
>
> On Aug 12, 2024, at 11:12 AM, Josh C  wrote:
>
> I personally wish they’d bring back the double top tube. I like the look 
> of the green one tho, looked killer on the Platy. 
>
> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 4:43:28 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote:
>
>> It's beautiful. Looks comfy and capable and just the right balance of 
>> black and silver!
>>
>> On the topic of Appaloosas, and entering the realm of pure speculation:
>> With a slacker head tube angle (using the Atlantis lugs?) and wider tyre 
>> clearance, the Appaloosa sounds very similar indeed to the previous 
>> Atlantis.
>> I wonder if that leaves room for the next Atlantis to shift to something 
>> different?
>>
>> On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 11:31:48 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_8546.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:52:50 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>
 Not derailing at all! Well done on resisting temptation. I agree with 
 you that the Hog's Back meets a very similar use case to the Joe: an 
 all-round, all-road tourer that can do anything and go anywhere, if 
 slowly. 
 I was eyeing off a Hog's Back before I picked up the Joe! Would you mind 
 sharing photos of your bike - I'd love to see it!

 On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 04:27:12 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I was vey tempted to get a green one but having thought 
> extensively about it, I think I will keep my Bassi Hog's Back and ride 
> that. Aside from the very long rear end, the reach is pretty similar and 
> its been hard for me to justify selling a whole bike for less than the 
> cost 
> of a frame, especially when I have been quite happy with my Bassi. I 
> don't 
> mean to derail this conversation at all, but I'm happy with myself for 
> resisting such a big temptation. One day Rivendell will take my money, 
> just 
> not this round.
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:24:58 AM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>
> Some great sleuthing and info here!
> I’ll add in another one that I’m pretty sure I’m not imagining: the 
> chain stays look a tad shorter. 
>
> On Saturday 10 August 2024 at 22:21:06 UTC+9:30 Dorothy C wrote:
>
> I noticed they got down tube shifter bosses with the upcoming ones. 
> Kind of surprising on a sturdy bike. 
> Here is a picture of my 2016 model sky blue 46cm, a 26” wheel bike, my 
> first Riv bike purchase.
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 4:16:17 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Despite everyone providing fantastic advice regarding my Sam rebuild. 
>  I must admit, I am still incredibly interested in replacing the Sam with 
> a 
> green Joe.
>
> Regarding tire clearance specifically…Grant told me this run of Joes 
> would now match current Atlantis tire clearances.
>
> R,
>
> Drew
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 10, 2024, at 6:27 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>
> Watching thread, and curious about the same thing - especially since 
> they felt it necessary to get new prototypes. 
>
>
> The geometry chart still shows it having a slightly steeper headtube 
> and shorter top tube than the equivalent Atlantis, which suprises me 
> every 
> time I've ever looked for this info.  (You kind of have to extrapolate, 
> because the respective sizes alternate.)  Will's email said they will be 
> updating the website eventually/soon.
>
> I've asked this before, but can anyone describe how the various 
> versions have evolved over time?  I know the fork legs got stiffer after 
> the first batch, and the double top tube was dropped from the larger 
> sizes, 
> but I'm particularly interested in geometry and tire clearance 
> improvements. 
>
> I have more bikes than I need - especially Rivendells - but still 
> always daydream about that n+1.  The Appaloosa is the model that has the 
> least overlap to the bikes I already have and -  unlike any Atlantis ever 
> - 
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

[Armand Kizirian]

The most effective theft deterrent I've ever come across is this gadget 
right here. 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C27TVWHV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 


Louder than most car alarms. No one will want to deal with getting past 
your u-lock with 110 decibels in their ears. I keep one attached to my bike 
rack on my van as well. 

If you hide an airtag, remove the speaker from it. Lots of tutorials online 
for how-to. Anyone can sound an airtag and find it. The best thing is to 
hide a decoy with the speaker detached, and one more typically placed 
unmodified. When they find the unmodified one, they will think they found 
the "one" while the other is tracking the whole time. 

On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 10:17:38 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Tangent, but not irrelevant: what, pray, is that cog pliers tool, and does 
> it work better to immobilize cassettes against torque than the standard 
> chain whip?
>
> I expect it's this one: 
> https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/cassette-pliers-cp-1-2
>
> Second, and most importat: does it work well to remove hard-screwed-on 
> fixed cogs, or is it effective only to hold cassettes still?
>
> Thanks.
>
> [image: image.png]
>

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Re: [RBW] Orthos

[Armand Kizirian]

Oh and a 25.4 nitto faceplater clamps mine no problem. 

On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 5:09:20 PM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> I absolutely love mine. As a 5'11" male with a built physique, I 
> appreciate having adequate leverage on the bars when out of the saddle, but 
> still find them to be incredibly comfortable when upright and relaxed. 
> Allows lots of control and keeps my chest wide and open. 
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 9:01:43 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> For what it’s worth.  Bars are still holding!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2024, at 9:45 AM, Davey Two Shoes  wrote:
>>
>> I've got to say these are probably my favorite bars ever, I run them on 
>> my Tanglefoot Hardtack which is my bike for Singletrack or hanging with the 
>> little guy. I've tried maybe 5 other bars over the last year and always 
>> come back to Ron's. I'm tempted to try them on my Sam but I think I'd have 
>> issues with reach restrictions.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 1:09:35 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @Wesley,
>>>
>>> Check Crust Classifieds 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>>
>>> They just maybe still available...
>>> [image: Screenshot 2024-10-07 at 10-06-49 The Crust Trader Crust 
>>> Bikes.png]
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 8:03:45 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Love Ron's Orthos - looking to buy some if anyone has any laying around 
>>>> that they are willing to part with!
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 9:20:43 PM UTC-6 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love the downtube shifters Brent!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 20, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Brent Knepper  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 on how nice that silverSammer looks! excellent monochrome skills
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 also on orthos with a single-bolt 25.4 stem not slipping ◡̈ mine 
>>>>> are on a 130 ITM stem, I bunnyhop up curbs and noodle around on rooty 
>>>>> trails (although these bars noodle around on any surface) without a slip- 
>>>>> no torque wrench just the usual 6mm allen key tightening amount I'd do on 
>>>>> any nitto stem
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Brent in N(oodle)Y
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 6:35:31 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to re-comment- because I like looking at this bike: in all 
>>>>>> honestly I haven't given much attention to Ortho bars in the past as I 
>>>>>> find 
>>>>>> them a bit overwhelming on most builds in terms of a visual focus as 
>>>>>> they 
>>>>>> are so large. In this case I feel as if they are made for the bike and 
>>>>>> absolutely perfect proportionally and fit the build to a T. Have you had 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> chance to take it for a ride? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 2:30:34 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great looking build!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 3:11:00 PM UTC-5 
>>>>>>> drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 14, 2024, at 10:20 AM, Eliot Balogh  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wow. What a stunning build. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m rebuilding a Ram as a roadish bike and this is making me 
>>>>>>>> jealous lol. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eliot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 6:33 AM Andrew Joseph  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you both!
>>&

Re: [RBW] Re: RH tires tubeless and sealant woes

[Armand Kizirian]

In my personal history of wearing through a variety of Compass/Herse tires 
over the years, I don't set them up tubeless for the extralight or standard 
casing. Only Endurance/Endurance plus provide a fuss-free experience.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-7 dros...@gmail.com wrote:

> I live up in the northeast and don’t ride skin walls. My sealant lasts 
> forever. Sven in the summer, I have plenty left after six months. The 
> downside is that worse riding up here isn’t ideal. 
>
> --
> Sent from Canary 
>
> On Wednesday, Oct 09, 2024 at 6:58 PM, Ryan Frahm  
> wrote:
>
> Patrick, I have to say that I’ve never actually added any glitter! I’m 
> sure a craft store would have it though. I was told just a pinch per tire 
> would be enough. The standard OS has quite a bit of it floating around in 
> it and the endurance does not. I’ve been happy with the mix for summer and 
> usually go back to standard when it cools down. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 8:11:53 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks, all. Christian: I'm already having to add sealant every 3 weeks 
>> or so; far more often than the every ~3 months with the Schwalbes and 
>> Somas. I'm looking for a sealant or a technique that can extend the 
>> intervals between replenishment.
>>
>> My brother bought an industrial-sized can of carpet glue to apply to his 
>> Rat Trap Pass sidewalls, and it did reinforce them. I may try applying some 
>> to the inside of the tires. But I'll probably procrastinate until you beat 
>> me to it, so please do let us know results if you do this.
>>
>> Aside: The Schwalbes and the Somas have what looks like a very light 
>> plastic film over the inside of the casing -- it doesn't affect the tires' 
>> suppleness -- which I think makes the difference with RH tires.
>>
>> Ryan: I think I will try mixing Regular and Endurance, but I'm intrigue 
>> by glitter. I think I know what you mean from my daughter's arts and crafts 
>> days. But where do you buy this? And how much do you add per 2 fl oz of 
>> sealant? I suppose it's not rocket science and "looks good to me" should 
>> suffice, but I'll be interested in hearing your technique.
>>
>> Thanks again, all.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, whose Oracle Ridges are now once again holding air after 
>> adding yet more sealant (3 weeks after previous addition) in goatheady ABQ, 
>> NM.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:30 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been adding ~2 fl oz of OS Endurance — OS Endurance worked almost 
>>> 100% in fat low pressure Schwalbes and Somas — every 100 miles to my 
>>> regular casing Oracle Ridges. It seems I get a week or two of riding before 
>>> the goatheads are flatting the tires again. 
>>>
>>> When setting up the ORs tubeless, the shop had to put about a pint of OS 
>>> End in each tire before they sealed around the beads and before the sealant 
>>> stopped weeping through the sidewalls.
>>>
>>> I get no more sidewall seepage and the beads don’t bubble, but I must 
>>> have added at least another pint of OS End to each tire since they were 
>>> installed back in the Spring.
>>>
>>> Again, never, not at all, uh uh, I didn’t have anything like this with 
>>> Big Ones, Furious Freds, or Soma Supples Vitesses.
>>>
>>> So: what selant do *you* use when you set up RH tires tubeless? 
>>>
>>> What RH model, and the type of casing and width and pressure)?
>>>
>>> How does it work — meaning, does it seal a metaphorical or statistical 
>>> 99% of punctures almost at once, while riding, as OS End did with Schwalbes 
>>> and Somas?
>>>
>>> Does it need replenishing only very 3 months or so? (That was the 
>>> interval here in the very dry desert SW.)
>>>
>>> I will probably switch to OS Regular once I use up the remaining 2/3 
>>> quart of OS Endurance — I have no other tires to use it in, or perhaps try 
>>> RH’s “Supple” sealant.
>>>
>>> I look forward to peeling off the 300 grams of dried sealant from each 
>>> of the Oracle Ridges.
>>>
>>> *Rene Herse Supple Sealant:* Does anyone have experience with the RH 
>>> Supple Sealant? Is it as good as OS?
>>>
>>> *And!! TPU tubes: *has anyone confirmed by personal experience that 
>>> there is a sealant that works with TPU tubes? I’d switch to those tubes and 
>>> that sealant immediately — sealant in tubes is much easier to work with 
>>> than sealant in tire casings. OS* Regular *works impeccably in the 
>>> lightest weight 70 gram 26X1” and 100 gram 26 X 1.8” butyl tubes in 
>>> extralight RH Elk Pass and Naches Pass tires 
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>>> services
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> *When thou did

Re: [RBW] Orthos

[Armand Kizirian]

I absolutely love mine. As a 5'11" male with a built physique, I appreciate 
having adequate leverage on the bars when out of the saddle, but still find 
them to be incredibly comfortable when upright and relaxed. Allows lots of 
control and keeps my chest wide and open. 


On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 9:01:43 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> For what it’s worth.  Bars are still holding!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 9, 2024, at 9:45 AM, Davey Two Shoes  wrote:
>
> I've got to say these are probably my favorite bars ever, I run them on 
> my Tanglefoot Hardtack which is my bike for Singletrack or hanging with the 
> little guy. I've tried maybe 5 other bars over the last year and always 
> come back to Ron's. I'm tempted to try them on my Sam but I think I'd have 
> issues with reach restrictions.
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 1:09:35 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Wesley,
>>
>> Check Crust Classifieds 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> They just maybe still available...
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-10-07 at 10-06-49 The Crust Trader Crust 
>> Bikes.png]
>>
>> On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 8:03:45 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Love Ron's Orthos - looking to buy some if anyone has any laying around 
>>> that they are willing to part with!
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 9:20:43 PM UTC-6 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love the downtube shifters Brent!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 20, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Brent Knepper  
 wrote:

 +1 on how nice that silverSammer looks! excellent monochrome skills


 +1 also on orthos with a single-bolt 25.4 stem not slipping ◡̈ mine are 
 on a 130 ITM stem, I bunnyhop up curbs and noodle around on rooty trails 
 (although these bars noodle around on any surface) without a slip- no 
 torque wrench just the usual 6mm allen key tightening amount I'd do on any 
 nitto stem

 


 -Brent in N(oodle)Y

 On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 6:35:31 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright 
 wrote:

> Just to re-comment- because I like looking at this bike: in all 
> honestly I haven't given much attention to Ortho bars in the past as I 
> find 
> them a bit overwhelming on most builds in terms of a visual focus as they 
> are so large. In this case I feel as if they are made for the bike and 
> absolutely perfect proportionally and fit the build to a T. Have you had 
> a 
> chance to take it for a ride? 
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 2:30:34 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:
>
>> Great looking build!
>>
>> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 3:11:00 PM UTC-5 
>> drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 14, 2024, at 10:20 AM, Eliot Balogh  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Wow. What a stunning build. 
>>>
>>> I’m rebuilding a Ram as a roadish bike and this is making me jealous 
>>> lol. 
>>>
>>> Eliot
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 6:33 AM Andrew Joseph  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you both!

 Truly appreciate the responses.  

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 14, 2024, at 6:35 AM, David Ross  wrote:

 

 I’d also add that the guy who designed the Orthos uses a 25.4 
 single bolt stem on the Orthos even though they are 26mm. I think he 
 actually designed them to work this way. Personally, I don’t know 
 enough 
 about engineering or metallurgy to know if this is a good or bad idea, 
 so 
 please don’t think I’m advising you to do this. 

 On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 5:05 PM Andrew Joseph  
 wrote:

> Bars slippage reports came in at an interesting point for me.  
>
> What was the consensus on getting them to stay put?  
>
> The Sam rebuild is almost there.  Orthos will be angle down 
> slightly more, bar tape and need longer dynamo wires for the Pass and 
> Stow….
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Re: [RBW] Orthos

[Armand Kizirian]

Donzaemon, more specifically the *width *of the curves in front of the 
levers/shifters. I tried Billy bars before the Ortho's, which technically 
has the same two hand positions. I found them to be too narrow while 
climbing out of the saddle and did not stabilize my upper body enough to 
really put power down. This may be irrelevant if you don't have mountains 
to climb frequently, but I do. 

On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 6:39:51 PM UTC-7 Donzaemon wrote:

> When you say you have leverage out of the saddle, is it because you're 
> grasping the curves in front of the levers/shifters?
>
> On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 5:09:20 PM UTC-7 kiziria...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I absolutely love mine. As a 5'11" male with a built physique, I 
>> appreciate having adequate leverage on the bars when out of the saddle, but 
>> still find them to be incredibly comfortable when upright and relaxed. 
>> Allows lots of control and keeps my chest wide and open. 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 9, 2024 at 9:01:43 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For what it’s worth.  Bars are still holding!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2024, at 9:45 AM, Davey Two Shoes  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got to say these are probably my favorite bars ever, I run them on 
>>> my Tanglefoot Hardtack which is my bike for Singletrack or hanging with the 
>>> little guy. I've tried maybe 5 other bars over the last year and always 
>>> come back to Ron's. I'm tempted to try them on my Sam but I think I'd have 
>>> issues with reach restrictions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 1:09:35 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @Wesley,

 Check Crust Classifieds 

 Kim Hetzel. 

 They just maybe still available...
 [image: Screenshot 2024-10-07 at 10-06-49 The Crust Trader Crust 
 Bikes.png]

 On Monday, October 7, 2024 at 8:03:45 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> Love Ron's Orthos - looking to buy some if anyone has any laying 
> around that they are willing to part with!
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 9:20:43 PM UTC-6 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I love the downtube shifters Brent!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Brent Knepper  
>> wrote:
>>
>> +1 on how nice that silverSammer looks! excellent monochrome skills
>>
>>
>> +1 also on orthos with a single-bolt 25.4 stem not slipping ◡̈ mine 
>> are on a 130 ITM stem, I bunnyhop up curbs and noodle around on rooty 
>> trails (although these bars noodle around on any surface) without a 
>> slip- 
>> no torque wrench just the usual 6mm allen key tightening amount I'd do 
>> on 
>> any nitto stem
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> -Brent in N(oodle)Y
>>
>> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 6:35:31 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just to re-comment- because I like looking at this bike: in all 
>>> honestly I haven't given much attention to Ortho bars in the past as I 
>>> find 
>>> them a bit overwhelming on most builds in terms of a visual focus as 
>>> they 
>>> are so large. In this case I feel as if they are made for the bike and 
>>> absolutely perfect proportionally and fit the build to a T. Have you 
>>> had a 
>>> chance to take it for a ride? 
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 2:30:34 PM UTC-7 Danny wrote:
>>>
 Great looking build!

 On Friday, September 20, 2024 at 3:11:00 PM UTC-5 
 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 14, 2024, at 10:20 AM, Eliot Balogh  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Wow. What a stunning build. 
>
> I’m rebuilding a Ram as a roadish bike and this is making me 
> jealous lol. 
>
> Eliot
>
> On Sat, Sep 14, 2024 at 6:33 AM Andrew Joseph <
> drew.jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you both!
>>
>> Truly appreciate the responses.  
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2024, at 6:35 AM, David Ross  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I’d also add that the guy who designed the Orthos uses a 25.4 
>> single bolt stem on the Orthos even though they are 26mm. I think he 
>> actually designed them to work this way. Personally, I don’t know 
>> enough 
>> about engineering or metallurgy to know if this is a good or bad 
>> idea, so 
>> please don’t think I’m advising you to do this. 
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 5:05 PM Andrew Joseph <
>> drew.jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bars slippage reports came in at an interesting point for me.  
>>>
>>> What 

Re: [RBW] Commuting lights in 2024?

[Armand Kizirian]

I find these very hard to beat, and use them in the daytime too. If a rear 
light can be too bright, this one is it. 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07545T4Y9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

On Tuesday, October 22, 2024 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-7 Piaw Na wrote:

> I'm the exception. I switched to battery lights from dynamo hubs/lights. I 
> get flats more frequently at night than during the day, and ended up having 
> to carry a battery light anyway to fix the flat. In which case I might as 
> well just use the battery light all the time. Unlike other people I do not 
> ever forget to charge my battery lights.
>
> My preferred tail-light is the Garmin Varia Radar, which easily justifies 
> its premium over regular lights by providing info about cars coming up 
> behind me. This is especially useful when touring, letting me know it's 
> safe to ride out into the lane to take pictures of my cycling companions.
>
> My recommended headlight right now is the Energizer X400. (
> https://amzn.to/40eBalS). It is bright, unforgiving of people who forget 
> to charge things (somehow people never seem to forget to charge their 
> smartphones though!), water resistant, and the mount never fails. I buy 
> them for my mother in law, my wife, my kids, etc. On sale you can get them 
> for $16, but the regular price of $20 also doesn't sting.
>
> On Tuesday, October 22, 2024 at 3:53:50 PM UTC-7 Peter Adler wrote:
>
>> Reelights are awesome; I had them on my pack mule for years, until I 
>> accidentally smashed the headlight putting the front wheel into a bike rack 
>> (kind of an obvious risk for a QR/dropout-mounted light). Given that the 
>> induction system powers the light by moving spoke-mounted magnets past the 
>> induction coil in the light (the faster the wheels rotate, the brighter the 
>> lights), I took the two no-longer-used used lights off the front wheel and 
>> moved them to the rear wheel, doubling the number of magnets. Presto! 
>> Taillight's twice as bright. 
>>
>> Reelight sells all the elements of their systems (mounting brackets, 
>> magnets etc) as separate items, in addition to the complete light kits. The 
>> problem for US buyers is that the Danish company doesn't appear to have a 
>> US distributor; although they have frequent sales/specials (20-30% 
>> discounts are common, and occasional 50% ones), the shipping to the US is 
>> brutal.
>>
>> The lights (especially the headlights) are be-seen lights for well-lit 
>> urban areas, but every little bit helps. At some point, I'll swallow hard 
>> and pay the ruinous shipping for a new non-flash kit with disc mounting 
>> brackets to get away from my panniers and double/triple up on the magnets. 
>> Might even try mounting the old rear light with all the magnets I have and 
>> spinning it around, just to see how much juice the lights can handle.
>>
>> On the larger issue: Generator/dynamo lights rule, full stop. No matter 
>> what the generator system. If you ride a lot at night, as I do, few things 
>> are more awful than having a battery light die on you just when you need it 
>> most. It's like there's a dybbuk somewhere waiting for cyclists to be in a 
>> dicey night situation, and draining their batteries out of malice, through 
>> dark sorcery.
>>
>> Peter "let there be non-battery light" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 22, 2024 at 10:32:29 AM UTC-7 Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> If you’re interested in a non-battery solution, I can recommend this 
>> taillight from Reelight: 
>> https://reelight.com/en-us/collections/battery-free-lights/products/nova 
>>
>> I’ve had one on a bike for several years, and it’s always worked 
>> perfectly. The headlights aren’t very bright, and are best used for 
>> visibility. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] 2024 Appaloosa's - Show Us Your Builds!

[Armand Kizirian]

Haven't spotted a build thread for this latest batch, so show us what you 
got! Ana Purple or Sergio Green Appaloosa's only. 

(p.s. May be willing to trade a 55cm Ana Purple Platy for a 54cm Purple 
Appaloosa :)

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[RBW] Re: Platypus 2024 frames

[Armand Kizirian]

Please do update us of any additional tarriffs/fees/taxes you paid to 
receive the frame from Japan! 

If someone is interested in a 55cm purple Platypus frame (near Los Angeles) 
you are welcome to e-mail me directly.

On Monday, October 28, 2024 at 10:30:37 AM UTC-7 Mike Rossi wrote:

> I’m so surprised to see that Blue Lug have the Platypus frames available 
> in both colors and all sizes! They even have the Appaloosas in both colors 
> and all sizes, including 46cm. I just got confirmation on my 55cm in 
> mermaid. I had been collecting components all summer waiting on the 
> Rivendell sale and was disappointed when they said they would only be 
> offering completes. And those sold out faster than I could decide if that 
> would be an option for me. Now I’m just hoping the frame ships as fast as 
> all my other orders from them have. 
> Too excited.
> Had to post.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The new Atlantis is goiong to be a damn hillibike monster!

[Armand Kizirian]

On one of my recent long chats with Grant on the phone (always surprises me 
with how generous he is with his time!), he revealed to me how they are 
aiming for most of their bikes to ride the same. If one were to analyze all 
the updates in geometry across the line-up, I would venture to say you can 
see a clear theme of them converging toward similar figures. 

He himself said it, the Appaloosa is basically the same as the Atlantis 
now. I would let the better size from the offerings be the determining 
factor. 



On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 6:11:57 PM UTC-7 timothym...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> IO - I remember reading a few months back that the next batch of Atlantis 
> frames were coming in January or February of 2025. 
>
> Correct me if I’m wrong, I’m saving for one too so I’d love to be 
> prepared. 
>
> Tim in Philly 
> On Wednesday, October 30, 2024 at 11:52:52 AM UTC-4 isaako...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not deep in the Riv universe but am curious when the Atlantis might 
>> drop in '25 so that I can pinch pennies appropriately :) 
>>
>> peace,
>> IO in Ashland, OR 
>>
>> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 10:38:45 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like it will take a 27.2 mm seatpost. 
>>> That’s interesting. 
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 6:49:15 PM UTC-7 DavidP wrote:
>>>
 These geometry charts have always been conservative on tire clearances. 
 The previous Atlantis listed the same ~55mm number. My Platypus has 50mm 
 tires with fenders vs the ~50mm max listed. My take (and you've touched on 
 it with your last comment) is that the listed sizes are more like a 
 recommended max for their vision of the bike's use and helps to 
 differentiate the models. 

 -Dave

 On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 5:07:32 PM UTC-4 Brian Forsee wrote:

> Here's to hoping the 55mm tire clearance on that chart will be 
> updated. The most recent atlantis took 2.4s, right? Seems like they 
> wouldn't go back down from there.
>
> I'd love to see an Atlantis w/ clearance for 29x2.6. But maybe that's 
> just a gus/susie
>
> On Monday, October 21, 2024 at 3:47:43 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, October 20, 2024 at 5:24:47 PM UTC-6 Josh C wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like you're describing a fully lugged Clem, no? 
>>
>>
>> I think this question was to me?  Yes, that's what I want - but I 
>> guess what I'm arguing is that the new Atlantis basically IS a 
>> fully-lugged 
>> version of the first Clem.  Just with a couple of refinements - those 
>> being 
>> a slacker head angle and slightly-shorter-but-still-long chainstays.  
>>
>> (I hope I'm not offending RBWQH asserting this.  Once again, I think 
>> it's really great.  For people with normal proportions, it's perfect.  
>> In 
>> my case, all I'd want to do is personalize a few dimensions for fit 
>> purposes only.   It would be easier if I didn't prefer the rigidity and 
>> aesthetics of the diamond frame, I guess, and the current Clem L might 
>> even 
>> be great.)
>>
>> It isn't that surprising that things evolved this way, in 
>> retrospect.  Remembering well the first discussion and germination of 
>> the 
>> Clem idea - not unlike the Bombadil and Hunquapillar before it - the 
>> goal 
>> was to create a kind of an homage or throwback to older, analog ATBs 
>> from 
>> the 1980s, before they all got twitchy race geometries and were all 
>> built 
>> around suspension forks.  The most significant differnece being some 
>> subtle 
>> changes to make them more comfortable - like lower bbs and taller 
>> headtubes.   
>>
>> The Clem added a few additional criteria though:  Less expensive to 
>> build; Less likely to get targeted by thieves; Using-up some lugs from 
>> an 
>> abandoned project.  But I feel like it ALSO served as a platform for 
>> trying 
>> out a bunch of new ideas that ended up being wildly successful:  
>> Super-long 
>> chainstays, in lenghts that were *proportional* to the rest of the 
>> frame; Even longer top tubes to work with the newish-at-the-time, 
>> ultra-swept-back Bosco bar.
>>
>> It's wonderful but not surprising how successful and popular the Clem 
>> has gone on to be.  But as it blazed it's own path, it also sort of 
>> morphed 
>> into something a bit different.  Like the best, most-comfortable and 
>> most-useful town bike ever, for lack of another category.  To me, that 
>> left 
>> the original ATB-concept model slot - the thing I most want - kind of 
>> missing in the lineup.  Gus and Susie are (were) great but, as someone 
>> who 
>> has a Susie and an early Clem, and who came of age along with the first 
>> mountain bikes, they're almost too MUCH "mountain bike" for a 
>> daily-rider, 

[RBW] Re: Mama Platy

[Armand Kizirian]

Congratulations on overcoming those fears of riding a bike and now reaping 
the endless joys of the bicycle, with your budding family and a Platy no 
less! Thank you for sharing. 

Armand - Fellow Platy-lover

On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 12:05:44 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> This post made me deliriously happy in the break room at work today. 
> Welcome, welcome RivSister. Is your name Andrea? Your little cherub is 
> darling with her tiny Woom. I’m so glad you found your way back to cycling 
> after having two babies and all the life changes that come with them. They 
> are the best thing to ever happen to us, aren’t they? 
>
> I got my first Riv, a Betty Foy, when my two boys were little. We went 
> everywhere together on our bikes, for years. And as the girls get older you 
> can go further and maybe even get them their own little Clems (or Platys, 
> if you want to spring for them!) to take on bike adventures with you! I 
> have one grown son now, who took a Clem to college, and one high school son 
> who will take the other Clem to college. 
>
> Anyway, if you feel comfortable, please DM me with your address so I can 
> send you a little something for your Platypus in the mail. And I would love 
> to read more posts from you as you continue on the journey. All the best to 
> you, RivSister!
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 12:13:23 PM UTC-4 GirlGangRider wrote:
>
>> This post has been percolating in my mind for over a year! I had wanted 
>> to post when my husband bought me my beautiful mermaid Platypus. The Platy 
>> was my push present (a rather humbling term for a gift that acknowledges 
>> the incredible journey of bringing a baby into the world). I had earnestly 
>> waited for it to be in stock and the moment my husband told me it was 
>> available, I was so excited! 
>>
>> After I gave birth to my first daughter, I found myself terrified to ride 
>> a bike again. Perhaps it was the memories of pregnancy and childbirth, or 
>> maybe it was the experience of riding a road bike that was far too big for 
>> me. Eventually, I found the courage to ride again, hoping to reclaim a 
>> piece of my pre-motherhood self. In July 2023, we made our way to Rivendell 
>> Bicycle Works with my eighteen-month-old daughter in tow, while I was seven 
>> months pregnant with our second.
>>
>> I may not know all the components or parts of my Platypus, but what I do 
>> know is how liberating and enjoyable each ride has been. During my first 
>> test ride, I felt empowered, invigorated, and truly like myself again. Now, 
>> every time I ride—whether with my daughters or on my own—I feel 
>> rejuvenated, often accompanied by their adorable squeals of joy.
>>
>> Our love for riding has clearly rubbed off on our 2.75-year-old daughter, 
>> who zooms on her balance bike faster than we can walk! I eagerly await the 
>> day she’s tall enough to ride my Platy, so I can share with her the story 
>> of how riding and motherhood have shaped who I am. I’m eternally grateful 
>> to my husband for this thoughtful gift and feel so lucky to be part of this 
>> bike-loving family.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Want to see my new purple Platypus?

[Armand Kizirian]

A perfect forever bike! Enjoy the rides, they have done a stellar job. Do 
chime in with how you feel it's different than your Atlantis! 

On Wednesday, November 20, 2024 at 8:26:11 AM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for your kind replies, friends…but there won’t be any curb hopping 
> at this stage of the game. If I tried that, the least thing to worry about 
> is a bumper. :) 
>
> And, Sally, I’d love to see your Platy! Honestly, I love admiring what you 
> all do with your bikes. 
>
>
> Sent with delight from my iPad
>
> On Nov 20, 2024, at 10:07 AM, Sally Bidleman <3mu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Liz,
>
> What a wonderful, beautiful bike; thanks so much for sharing! 
>
> Those pristine pictures reminded me I'd better find some bike shampoo and 
> re-fender my much-less-shiny but equally loved 50 cm PP ha!
>
> Have loads of fun!
>
> Sally
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 6:34 AM Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
>
>> Beautiful build, Liz! I love how the purple pops in the photos against 
>> the silver bits. I'll have to check out the S!lver hubs and CR18s. Brevets 
>> seem to have disappeared...
>>
>> Careful with curb hopping with the low front fender. I had a low front 
>> fender like that for my AHH and needed to move it up a bit (and added a 
>> fender flap). 
>>
>> Tailwinds,
>> shoji
>> Arlington MA
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2024 at 9:07:31 AM UTC-5 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> What a great build - I love the blend of fancy and functional. CR18s are 
>>> my go to for an economical roadish/all-rounder rim (great for tires between 
>>> 35mm and 2"). Looking forward to seeing some ride reports and photos!
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 20, 2024 at 6:44:25 AM UTC-5 meti...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Some of you know that I missed out on getting a 50cm Playpus at the 
 time of Rivendell’s online scramble…in which they sold out in a flash. But 
 my disappointment turned immediately into a fun adventure with Cycle CL 
 out 
 of Montreal in Canada…I cannot recommend these folks at Cycle CL highly 
 enough…

 My purple Platypus should arrive at my home today— my local bike shop 
 will reassemble it, and I hope to ride my purple beauty for the first time 
 this weekend. 

 For those of you who want to see what Cycle CL and I pulled 
 together…here’’s a link to it with descriptions  on their website. 
 https://www.clcycle.ca/en/blogs/montages-recents/lizs-purple-platypus/#comment-24253

 Thanks so much to all who encouraged me! And, to Leah, our queen, thank 
 you for my Platy pin! It’ll be my first addition. 

 Liz in Cincinnati

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[RBW] Re: Frame Builders in SoCal for a repair?

[Armand Kizirian]

Would also be interested, for those who can add m5 bosses and internal 
dynamo routing. 

On Wednesday, November 20, 2024 at 11:54:32 AM UTC-8 davids...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Peter, 
>
> Thanks for the rec. I spoke with CycleSmiths and unfortunately they said 
> that they don't touch cantilever bosses.
>
> On Saturday, November 16, 2024 at 9:42:38 PM UTC-8 Peter Bridge wrote:
>
>> Are you going to want paint? 
>>
>> My first stop would be CycleSmiths
>>
>>
>> https://cyclesmiths.net/#:~:text=The%20CycleSmiths%20provides%20custom%20painting,MASI%20California%2040%20years%20ago
>> .
>>
>> 37015 El Tesoro Road, Ranchita, CA 92066
>>
>> (760) 782-2737 Mobile (951) 440-2054 cycle...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 16, 2024 at 5:30:20 PM UTC-8 davids...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey everyone, 
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend a frame builder to repair a steel fork in Southern 
>>> California? 
>>>
>>> One cantilever boss is snapped and the other is crooked.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any direction!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie/Wolbis first rides

[Armand Kizirian]

Jason, can you link safety clips that are compatible with Honjo fender? I 
am very much interested in not flying over my handlebars. :) 

On Saturday, November 23, 2024 at 6:46:25 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Pete - I learned this the hard way in 2021, when a stick in the spokes 
> grabbed my fender stay and pulled the fender into the tire, throwing me 
> over the bars at speed on a chunky gravel trail at the deep end of this 
> very valley. I was extremely lucky to ride out with only scrapes and 
> bruises, and I won't make that mistake again! 
>
> Also, credit to how robust the Bombadil is that it didn't bend the frame 
> nor fork. I've ridden it over 6000km since then and it's going strong. 
>
> [image: PXL_20210816_003621833.jpg]
>
> On Saturday, 23 November 2024 at 09:54:53 UTC-8 Pete P wrote:
>
>> Jason,
>> That is a beauty. I like the swooping to tube as it meets the seat tube. 
>> I prefer this design over the gallop with the straight top tube. You 
>> improved it too with the silver fenders. Glad to see the safety clips on 
>> the front fender stays too. Sticks are a real problem when off road. Love 
>> that gold color too.
>> Pete
>> On Saturday, November 23, 2024 at 9:00:39 AM UTC-6 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, wow, great write up and photos. That's one beautiful place to 
>>> explore! Thanks for sharing the route, hope I can ride my Susie up there 
>>> one day.
>>>
>>> -Danny
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 10:19 PM Menos Joven  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I thoroughly enjoyed your write up complete with photos to get a sense 
 of your ride through this magical forest. Thank you so much for sharing. 
 Just for yucks, the peanut gallery part of me is thinking that your photos 
 have given me permission to finally use a kickstand if I so choose. :)
 On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 9:50:07 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I just point my camera phone around, it's the beauty of the forest 
> that makes the photos good! 
>
> I am happy to take anyone visiting Vancouver on this loop!  I try to 
> do it once a month.   
>
> On Friday, 22 November 2024 at 03:35:58 UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I gotta say…now all I can think about is moving somewhere near the 
>> Seymour Valley bike trail and getting in line to beg Jason to build me 
>> up a 
>> gorgeous Susie to ride on it. In November. (Drooling).
>>
>> Liz in Cincinnati (which is a nice town, but we don’t have ANY views 
>> like Jason’s views).
>>
>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:21:14 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, I am not sure what you do for a living, but I gotta say, you 
>>> should quit your day-job and just take pictures. And write. And your 
>>> Susie 
>>> is the perfect autumn color. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 7:27:43 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I got out on my favourite local loop this past weekend on the 
 Susie, a 50km gravel & light singletrack loop in the Seymour valley.  
 I 
 wrote it up on my website mostly to convey the photos in full 
 resolution 
 that were popular in the Fall Riding pics thread.  The photos still do 
 little justice for how amazing it is to be in this forest during late 
 November drizzle, easily my favourite time of year to be out there 
 despite 
 the cold and wet. 

 This was the first bigger ride on the bike, as I've mostly been 
 commuting and barely topped 20km per ride prior to this aboard it. 

 https://www.jasonmytail.com/2024-11-17-susie-lscr-loop/


 On Tuesday, 29 October 2024 at 20:29:23 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Ed - the tires are Rene Herse Umtanum 650x55, wrapped in Simworks 
> Flat 65 fenders. It's a good combination, the Susie has plenty of 
> extra 
> clearance but this maxes out what I can fit under V-brakes.  Without 
> fenders I'd be comfortable with a 2.5 to 2.6 with V-brakes. The 
> Motolites 
> are nice to set up, you can just install the pads to be parallel the 
> rim, 
> and then use the 'collar' to adjust up-down as well as fine tune the 
> toe-in 
> rather than try to set all these at the same time using the cup and 
> cone 
> washers. I appreciated that the Susie's studs were spaced 
> appropriately for 
> the Cliffhanger rims as well 
>
> Brendon - I'll probably bring the bars down a bit, but yes since 
> I'm on the 50 despite being able to fit a 53 easily I've got a bit 
> less 
> stack which is good!  I can bring them down to basically level with 
> the 
> saddle if I want to.  
>
> Richard (and also Brendon) - I can definitely see moving away from 
> the Ortho bar for singlet

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie/Wolbis first rides

[Armand Kizirian]

Oh, and why not utilize the fender braze-ons for the rear? I see you have 
it doubled up with the rack. 

On Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 5:27:39 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> Jason, can you link safety clips that are compatible with Honjo fender? I 
> am very much interested in not flying over my handlebars. :) 
>
> On Saturday, November 23, 2024 at 6:46:25 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Pete - I learned this the hard way in 2021, when a stick in the spokes 
>> grabbed my fender stay and pulled the fender into the tire, throwing me 
>> over the bars at speed on a chunky gravel trail at the deep end of this 
>> very valley. I was extremely lucky to ride out with only scrapes and 
>> bruises, and I won't make that mistake again! 
>>
>> Also, credit to how robust the Bombadil is that it didn't bend the frame 
>> nor fork. I've ridden it over 6000km since then and it's going strong. 
>>
>> [image: PXL_20210816_003621833.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, 23 November 2024 at 09:54:53 UTC-8 Pete P wrote:
>>
>>> Jason,
>>> That is a beauty. I like the swooping to tube as it meets the seat tube. 
>>> I prefer this design over the gallop with the straight top tube. You 
>>> improved it too with the silver fenders. Glad to see the safety clips on 
>>> the front fender stays too. Sticks are a real problem when off road. Love 
>>> that gold color too.
>>> Pete
>>> On Saturday, November 23, 2024 at 9:00:39 AM UTC-6 Danny wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jason, wow, great write up and photos. That's one beautiful place to 
>>>> explore! Thanks for sharing the route, hope I can ride my Susie up there 
>>>> one day.
>>>>
>>>> -Danny
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2024 at 10:19 PM Menos Joven  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thoroughly enjoyed your write up complete with photos to get a sense 
>>>>> of your ride through this magical forest. Thank you so much for sharing. 
>>>>> Just for yucks, the peanut gallery part of me is thinking that your 
>>>>> photos 
>>>>> have given me permission to finally use a kickstand if I so choose. :)
>>>>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 9:50:07 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just point my camera phone around, it's the beauty of the forest 
>>>>>> that makes the photos good! 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am happy to take anyone visiting Vancouver on this loop!  I try to 
>>>>>> do it once a month.   
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, 22 November 2024 at 03:35:58 UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I gotta say…now all I can think about is moving somewhere near the 
>>>>>>> Seymour Valley bike trail and getting in line to beg Jason to build me 
>>>>>>> up a 
>>>>>>> gorgeous Susie to ride on it. In November. (Drooling).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Liz in Cincinnati (which is a nice town, but we don’t have ANY views 
>>>>>>> like Jason’s views).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 6:21:14 AM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jason, I am not sure what you do for a living, but I gotta say, you 
>>>>>>>> should quit your day-job and just take pictures. And write. And your 
>>>>>>>> Susie 
>>>>>>>> is the perfect autumn color. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 7:27:43 PM UTC-6 Jason Fuller 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I got out on my favourite local loop this past weekend on the 
>>>>>>>>> Susie, a 50km gravel & light singletrack loop in the Seymour valley.  
>>>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>>>> wrote it up on my website mostly to convey the photos in full 
>>>>>>>>> resolution 
>>>>>>>>> that were popular in the Fall Riding pics thread.  The photos still 
>>>>>>>>> do 
>>>>>>>>> little justice for how amazing it is to be in this forest during late 
>>>>>>>>> November drizzle, easily my favourite time of year to be out there 
>>>>>>>>> despite 
>>>>>

[RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Armand Kizirian]

For reference, I reduced the weight of my Platypus Complete by 5.75lbs. I 
stripped the parts entirely for another frame, which was the plan from the 
get go. The list below shows the weight difference of parts. It is mostly 
complete, but missing brakes and some other accessories, because I 
ultimately lost interest and just wanted to finish the bike and ride it. :) 

[image: platypus weight savings.png]

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> CONFIRMED!  All of you who bought a CLEM complete from Rivendell are now 
> confirmed as Weight Weenies!!  Pop those reflectors off to save a gram or 
> two!
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 9:33:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are 
>> impressively light.  
>>
>>
>> As I posted earlier in this thread, I weighed a pair of them at 272g, 
>> including the plastic shrink-wrap holding them together :-)  The only 
>> pedals I have that are lighter are Eggbeater 11 (titanium axles).
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
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[RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Armand Kizirian]

Whoops! Good catch. From what's identified on that list, the correct total 
is 1938g / 4.27lbs. I feel silly after all that weighing and I didn't weigh 
the complete bike stock. Oh well! 

The 2.5lb+ drop in wheel weight also includes the exceptionally light, 
extralight rene herse casing, and lightweight Schwalbe butyl tubes. Though 
I have foregone both to run the endurance casing tubeless. 

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:46:46 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Looks like 1188g of savings is the SUM of both wheels reduction.  670g + 
> 518g = 1,188g Now it makes sense.  Did you double-count the front wheel 
> savings in your total though?  Maybe it doesn't matter anymore.  :)
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I don't follow the math.  The rear wheel math makes sense to me:
>>
>> Heavy old rear wheel weight - Lighter new rear wheel weight = rear wheel 
>> weight savings
>> 2252g - 1582g =670g = 23.634 oz (checks out)
>>
>> Heavy old front wheel weight - Lighter new front wheel weight = front 
>> wheel weight savings
>> 1942g - 1424g = 518g =18.272 oz (Impressive, but you claim 1188g of 
>> savings on the front wheel)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 12:10:31 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>
>>> For reference, I reduced the weight of my Platypus Complete by 5.75lbs. 
>>> I stripped the parts entirely for another frame, which was the plan from 
>>> the get go. The list below shows the weight difference of parts. It is 
>>> mostly complete, but missing brakes and some other accessories, because I 
>>> ultimately lost interest and just wanted to finish the bike and ride it. :) 
>>>
>>> [image: platypus weight savings.png]
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> CONFIRMED!  All of you who bought a CLEM complete from Rivendell are 
>>>> now confirmed as Weight Weenies!!  Pop those reflectors off to save a gram 
>>>> or two!
>>>>
>>>> BL in EC
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 9:33:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are 
>>>>> impressively light.  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As I posted earlier in this thread, I weighed a pair of them at 272g, 
>>>>> including the plastic shrink-wrap holding them together :-)  The only 
>>>>> pedals I have that are lighter are Eggbeater 11 (titanium axles).
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted Durant
>>>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>>>
>>>>

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Re: [RBW] 51cm Toyo Atlantis in South Florida: Intro Post

[Armand Kizirian]

Welcome! I love the Florida sun on the Altantis. That sea-foam green color 
looks more like a Miami Green. ;)

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 1:33:23 PM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:

> Welcome, Christian! I’ve certainly been enjoying your posts on Instagram, 
> and I’m sure others will here as well. Looking forward to seeing more sunny 
> FL Rivendell content!
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Armand Kizirian]

Sure, feels a bit snappier off the line and surprisingly fast for an 
upright bike (nice tires with light wheels mostly help here). If you get 
really active with the bike, go for a spirited sprint, or chuck it in some 
turns at an aggressive speed, the weight shift does feel more noticeable. 
It's more for the feel, not concerned with actual speed. All-in-all not a 
big deal though for a bike that is meant for pleasure and commuting. The 
weight is easily replaced by what I usually carry for a strict pleasure 
ride, which really is the main intention, to offset that weight. 70% of the 
time I have 20-30lb's of cargo for my commutes, as I pack a mobile office, 
food for the day, and usually a change of clothes as well. 

The main motivation for me to do this work is that I was building from the 
frame up, which is the time to do it. Doing this work down the line 
requires changing nearly everything, which is not time or cost-effective, 
like Bill pointed out. If I had kept the stock complete built, the only 
thing I would bother with is the wheelset, which really is the only thing 
you'll actually feel a difference on. 

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 5:51:23 PM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:

> Very fascinating stuff. Two questions; how much did the 4+ pound weight 
> loss cost & how does it feel? 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 2, 2024, at 7:06 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:
>
> Whoops! Good catch. From what's identified on that list, the correct 
> total is 1938g / 4.27lbs. I feel silly after all that weighing and I didn't 
> weigh the complete bike stock. Oh well! 
>
>
> The 2.5lb+ drop in wheel weight also includes the exceptionally light, 
> extralight rene herse casing, and lightweight Schwalbe butyl tubes. Though 
> I have foregone both to run the endurance casing tubeless. 
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:46:46 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Looks like 1188g of savings is the SUM of both wheels reduction.  670g + 
>> 518g = 1,188g Now it makes sense.  Did you double-count the front wheel 
>> savings in your total though?  Maybe it doesn't matter anymore.  :)
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I don't follow the math.  The rear wheel math makes sense to me:
>>>
>>> Heavy old rear wheel weight - Lighter new rear wheel weight = rear wheel 
>>> weight savings
>>> 2252g - 1582g =670g = 23.634 oz (checks out)
>>>
>>> Heavy old front wheel weight - Lighter new front wheel weight = front 
>>> wheel weight savings
>>> 1942g - 1424g = 518g =18.272 oz (Impressive, but you claim 1188g of 
>>> savings on the front wheel)
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 12:10:31 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>>
>>>> For reference, I reduced the weight of my Platypus Complete by 5.75lbs. 
>>>> I stripped the parts entirely for another frame, which was the plan from 
>>>> the get go. The list below shows the weight difference of parts. It is 
>>>> mostly complete, but missing brakes and some other accessories, because I 
>>>> ultimately lost interest and just wanted to finish the bike and ride it. 
>>>> :) 
>>>>
>>>> [image: platypus weight savings.png]
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> CONFIRMED!  All of you who bought a CLEM complete from Rivendell are 
>>>>> now confirmed as Weight Weenies!!  Pop those reflectors off to save a 
>>>>> gram 
>>>>> or two!
>>>>>
>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 9:33:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are 
>>>>>> impressively light.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I posted earlier in this thread, I weighed a pair of them at 272g, 
>>>>>> including the plastic shrink-wrap holding them together :-)  The only 
>>>>>> pedals I have that are lighter are Eggbeater 11 (titanium axles).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted Durant
>>>>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>>>>
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[RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Armand Kizirian]

Thanks Ted, I realized my flat pedals for my mtb that I never use could 
easily be used on my Riv. Saved 166g / 0.36lbs. Never was quite thrilled 
with the MKS Pretzel platform, the Stamp 7 replacement is welcomed, after 
swapping the screws/pins for a much less aggressive height to not destroy 
the soles of any shoes I ride my bike with. 

For those that don't know, this website is actually not a spam website but 
a real business. Their deals and customer service are great. Where I got 
the pedals from: 
https://bikecloset.com/product/crank-brothers-stamp-7-small-high-polish-silver/ 


On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 at 11:30:17 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Collin gave the heads up that Paragon Machine works, just down the hill in 
> Richmond, is (practically) giving away house made titanium bolts.  I 
> visited them and bought 20 M5x0.8x10mm (aka water bottle bolts), 10 
> M5x0.8x16mm (aka front derailleur clamp bolts), and 5 M6x1.0x30mm (aka 
> threadless top cap preload bolts.  They threw in a few stickers.  $35 for a 
> bunch of cool Made in Richmond Titanium bits.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> near Richmond CA
>
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2024 at 5:48:00 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:
>
>> To pile onto the bolt-gram-counting-train, Paragon Machine Works is 
>> having a holiday sale and you can get some nice M5 and M6 Ti bolts for 
>> about $1-2 each. That falls under Bill's $1/g (approximate) limit. Bonus 
>> for being local!
>>
>> I picked up a few for fender mounting and to save some weight on the 
>> seatpost binder bolt.
>>
>> Collin in Bolt-town
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2024 at 4:33:26 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> In my original post I said: "The bolts gives (sic) the opportunity to do 
>>> some gram-chasing."  
>>>
>>> I got a $90 McMaster-Carr order in today, featuring 20 aluminum bolts 
>>> and 8 Titanium bolts.  By my count, I think 10 of those 28 bolts are going 
>>> to end up on my CHG build.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 28, 2024 at 8:48:47 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 There's another thread on how I'm going to take a run at a <9kg Gallop 
 build.  I've started this thread to lay out exactly how I plan out all the 
 builds in my workshop.  I'll apologize in advance for the long narrative, 
 but hopefully the few of you who poke around on Thanksgiving Day are 
 looking for something to read...

 My freshman year of high school, in the Fall of 1983 (Troy High School, 
 Fullerton, CA) I took a typing class as an elective.  It made perfect 
 sense 
 to me as preparation for taking a computer elective the following 
 semester, 
 ha ha.  We had a project in typing class to type up a formatted outline, 
 following all the rules of categorization with the indents and headings 
 just so.  Each student had to come up with their own content for the 
 project and type it up.  In the Fall of 1983 I was a habitual cover to 
 cover reader of Bicycling and Winning! magazines.  I was obsessed with a 
 Bruce Gordon Chinook in one of those magazines, and I used the build list 
 for that bike as the content for my typing project.  From that moment 
 forward, every build fits into the same framework.  Every build is 
 comprised of five categories:

 1. Frame set
 2. Wheels
 3. Drivetrain
 4. Components
 5. Accessories

 I throw every build into a spreadsheet in those five groups.  It serves 
 to organize my thoughts for every build, and as a checklist before a build 
 begins, and sometimes helps me pull the build together mentally to 
 anticipate the places where a nuanced build might have places where I 
 could 
 paint myself into a corner.  Sometimes, but not always, I'll use columns 
 for each line to list the weight and/or the price of the stuff I'm pulling 
 together.  By filling out that spreadsheet exhaustively with best guesses 
 I 
 can get into the ballpark on total price or total weight as a preview.  As 
 guesses become certainties, the numbers come into focus.  As I've gotten 
 older, most of my builds have targets that have nothing to do with price 
 or 
 with weight: they are more about how exactly I want to experience cycling 
 on that particular machine.  The term I use to capture that relationship 
 between the build and its target is the "build concept".  

 So, let's start running through the build for my Gallop: Section 1 is 
 the Frame Set, which has three main parts

 1. Frame set
 A. Frame 
 B. Fork
 C. Headset

 When I get my frame set, I'll remove the fork and weigh the fork with 
 the fork crown.  I'll pop out the headset cups and weigh the headset minus 
 the fork crown.  I'll remove the pre-installed bottom bracket and weigh 
 the 
 bare frame.  Then I will remove every bolt that is screwed into the f

Re: [RBW] Re: Rim width vs tire width

[Armand Kizirian]

Jan Heine's take on the topic. I trust his opinions on tires, hard to argue 
that many people in the world have spent more time studying and 
experimenting with tires. 

https://www.renehersecycles.com/myth-18-wide-tires-need-wide-rims/

On Wednesday, December 11, 2024 at 12:18:29 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Ha, was in my LBS on Monday picking up my bike and talking about building 
> up some 650b wheels. We were chatting about rim width with respect to tire 
> width and the only callout my pro made was that a wider rim will "flatten" 
> the tire profile. I mentioned that maybe really wide tires would look silly 
> on narrow rims, and he responded "you've got way better eyes than me". 
>
> We chatted some more, but he is definitely in the "any tire on any rim" 
> camp.
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 2:03 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> +1. Back in my day I rode 50 mm tires aggressively offroad on ~13 mm IW 
>> rims for years with no problem, and recently rode 72 mm actual tires on ~18 
>> mm IW rims, tubeless tires on non-tubeless rims, just with lotsa tape, 
>> again with no problems. 
>>
>> You do have to keep the pressure up, tho’ I rode the 72s down to a safe 
>> 12 psi.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, channeling Abe Simpson in ABQ, NM.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 12:50 PM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry I'm late to this thread, but back in the day (mid 90s?), I was 
>>> mountain biking on Mavic Open Pro rims with 2.5" tires.  I think that is 
>>> 15c (inner width) with ~62 mm tires?  That's way off the chart below, but I 
>>> never had any issues over many years of riding.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 2024 Appaloosa's - Show Us Your Builds!

[Armand Kizirian]

Beautiful Appa's all!

George, go with what fits you better, should the step-thru vs double 
diamond frame not concern you. I want to have my one Riv (Yes, just one is 
plenty for me) for decades, which means the necessary prerequisite is to *love 
*it. I do love the way the Platypus fits and rides for me, but have come to 
prefer the double-diamond frame and some of its additional utility and 
aesthetic, as I have no mobility issues throwing a leg over the saddle. 
Otherwise, inspect the latest geometry chart, and see what size fits you 
better, as they do cover slightly different ranges between the two models. 
I have actually decided to wait for the next Atlantis batch, as the 55cm 
will fit me better than the 54cm Appa. 
On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 7:43:26 PM UTC-8 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_0410.jpeg]
>
> Just a couple of quick test rides today.  So far, I am really pleased with 
> the Getaround bars.  Another solid recommendation from Roman…
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: 2024 Appaloosa's - Show Us Your Builds!

[Armand Kizirian]

George, go with what fits you better, should the step-thru vs double 
diamond frame not concern you. I want to have my one Riv (Yes, just one is 
plenty for me) for decades, which means the necessary prerequisite is to *love 
*it. I do love the way the Platypus fits and rides for me, but have come to 
prefer the double-diamond frame and some of its additional utility and 
aesthetic, as I have no mobility issues throwing a leg over the saddle. 
Otherwise, inspect the latest geometry chart, and see what size fits you 
better, as they do cover slightly different ranges between the two models. 

On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 7:43:26 PM UTC-8 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_0410.jpeg]
>
> Just a couple of quick test rides today.  So far, I am really pleased with 
> the Getaround bars.  Another solid recommendation from Roman…
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Grant Interview-How do you listen??

[Armand Kizirian]

Realistically the amount of responses you will receive on here is not 
enough to make a statistically relevant decision. Ideally you will reach 
beyond the scope of this google group. Go with the popular, and accessible, 
options - YouTube, Spotify, Substack

On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 6:07:33 PM UTC-8 aaronr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Agree that if it's not video being able to listen via a podcast app is 
> ideal. However it comes out I'm looking forward to it!
>
> On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 3:11:24 PM UTC-7 steven.a...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> If there were video, I’d say YouTube, but if it’s just audio, Apple 
>> Podcasts is my personal go to. I’m not familiar with substack, but I could 
>> probably figure it out. 
>>
>> Looking forward to the listen!
>>
>> On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-8 EGNolan wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Group!
>>> I recently did an interview with Grant about bikes, business and all 
>>> manner of fun. It's about an hour, audio only. 
>>>
>>> As I prepare the interview for rollout, I'm asking you all how you 
>>> prefer to listen things like this:
>>> SubStack?
>>> Youtube?
>>> Spotify?
>>> Something Else?
>>>
>>> I'll likely put it on my substack for ease on my end, but I'm open to 
>>> getting it wherever it has the most opportunity to be heard, so I'd love to 
>>> hear from you.
>>>
>>> Thanks in Advance,
>>> Eric "This guy's normal, this guy's great" Nolan
>>> (quote from Grant in said interview, so you can trust me.)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Frame Schedule for 2025

[Armand Kizirian]

Will did mention the Sergio Green Atlantis in an e-mail a while back. We'll 
see if it indeed happens. I plan on picking one up, but will opt for the 
original color. No qualms with Sergio, but that green always felt so plain 
to me. Would love to see a lime olive or that dark bronze instead. 

On Friday, January 24, 2025 at 3:11:18 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> Homer in dark green sounds pretty nice. My 2014 sage Hillborne is from 
> that singular run. Will be curious to see if it's the same or sage 2.0.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Wednesday, January 22, 2025 at 6:31:35 PM UTC-5 rcr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Have there been any updates on what bikes are going to coming through in 
>> 2025?  I've been following the weekly newsletter but can't recall if there 
>> was anything announced.
>>
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