To be clear Dan I don't think the additional width of the tires is what caused the discrepancy in seating the bead. This is an issue with the rim, not the tire size.
I've noticed the difference in head tube angle. Been meaning to contact Riv and at least get the fork offset from both to determine potential differences in trail. I'm afraid I do enjoy a lot of the Platypus's handling characteristics because of the slacker head angle. On Monday, May 27, 2024 at 1:52:31 AM UTC-7 Dan wrote: > Thanks for the followup, Armand. Your experience is likely what made my > LBS recommend me staying with the 43s on my Quills. But good to know it's > possible if I ever insist! I don't mind anyway on that bike - the 43s suit > it perfectly and are plenty comfortable. They leave room for fenders too. > > With regards to switching to an Appaloosa, firstly, it's a great bike! I > love mine. > Secondly, be aware that the geometry is slightly different at the front. > The Appaloosa has a 72 degree head tube angle vs. the 69.5 on the Platypus. > Not sure what that means for real-world handling but I thought I'd point > it out. > Which brings me to my next point: have you considered an Atlantis? I think > they have a similar HTU (70) and slightly more tyre clearance than an > Appaloosa too. The trouble is finding one... > > On Monday 27 May 2024 at 02:49:08 UTC+9:30 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Oh and @Dan, tubeless was without unordinary issue on the Velocity >> Quills. I will say though... >> >> I setup the same tires on my wheelset, and my partners bike, which has >> some WTB KOM i25 rims. The tires setup MUCH more easily on the WTB rims. >> The Quill's didn't present any *real* issue, but it was the difference >> of having tires immediately seat onto the bead with zero leakage, vs >> fussing for 2-minutes for the bead to catch on and stop splattering sealant >> everywhere. I used an air compressor with valve cores removed to initially >> seat the bead. >> >> This is consistent with my experiences as a former bike mechanic. WTB's >> rims and tires have incredibly tight tolerances, for the better. I've >> personally never had a Velocity wheel setup as easily as a WTB rim. The >> tolerances of the bead shelf diameter can be tighter. >> >> Just yesterday I was on a long bike commute, put the bike on one of those >> public work stands to add some air to my tires, and my stupid Lezyne >> thread-on bike pump unthreaded my valve core upon removal (yes I purged the >> air before unthreading, and the valve core was tightened appropriately). I >> was surprised to see the bead of the tire unseat due to the pressure loss. >> My little hand pump did inflate the tire again fine, but there was some >> sealant weeping in the process. *With the wheel being completely off the >> ground, I think a well-designed tubeless rim should NOT unseat the bead of >> a tire simply due to losing air.* Especially with a high quality >> tubeless tire with a durable casing. My 3 (THREE ;) cents. >> >> First train ride: >> >> [image: IMG_3477.jpg] >> >> On Sunday, May 26, 2024 at 10:08:00 AM UTC-7 Armand Kizirian wrote: >> >>> @Eric - I'm mixed on the pretzel pedals. I chose them over the >>> Monarchs/Gamma because of the additional, wider support, and the sculptural >>> design matched the them I was going for. I'm afraid the aesthetics do not >>> match the function very well. The function of the pedal is heavily reliant >>> upon the pins. Remove the pins and you have a pretty terrible pedal, in >>> terms of have a flat, consistent surface on which to evenly distribute >>> weight, with some form of traction. The pins they come with are quite tall >>> and aggressive, the type that will mark and damage your shoe sole overtime. >>> They are quite effective, but, at least in my eyes, these are meant to be >>> beautiful pedals for pleasure riding, not downhill mtb'ing. I modified them >>> by putting in a mix of 1-2mm shorter brass m4 set screws. I like how they >>> are now, but wouldn't purchase them again. I'll probably end up with some >>> generic Shimano one-side platform/other side SPD pedal, as some of the dirt >>> trails I like to go on tangent to my city are incredibly steep. >>> >>> Right now I'm experimenting with some Rene Herse knobbies. They roll >>> exceptionally well, are indeed quiet, but however, they have introduced a >>> consistent buzz that is transmitted to the pedals--feedback which I'm not >>> crazy about. Audibly they are indeed quiet. I'm VERY impressed by the >>> durability of the endurance casing, I trashed these tires descending over >>> 6000ft on some of the chunkiest rocks/terrain in southern california and >>> not a hiccup. I did identify one of the knobs being slashed in half and >>> flapping about, no risk of a puncture though. I'll probably switch back to >>> RH slicks, or try a slick in the rear and knobby up front. >>> >>> *As much as I do love the Platy so far, I think I would desire the >>> additional tire clearance that an Appaloosa offers.* *If anyone has a >>> 54-57cm lime-olive Appaloosa frame/fork, I would consider a purchase or >>> trade. * Plus the additional convenience of a diamond frame, from extra >>> water bottle, to more traditional frame bags/top tube bags, can't be denied >>> for longer rides/future tours. >>> >>> Picture from recent lunch on some grass. >>> >>> [image: IMG_3468.JPG] >>> >>> On Wednesday, May 22, 2024 at 3:33:22 PM UTC-7 Chester wrote: >>> >>>> kiziria...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> The complete build list is as follows. *View all photos here. >>>> <https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/1wbpogiix44fmt9b40o6j/APG3fbw3AAQbjYtT-PK3JrY?rlkey=0dkhnviwb33ouz7tkhl45nqqf&dl=0>* >>>> >>>> Beautiful, Armand. I love seeing bikes like yours, with so many little >>>> aesthetic touches totally thought out and dialed in. AND all sorts of >>>> functional details dialed in. Totally balleur. Congratulations. >>>> >>>> Chester >>>> SF Bay Area >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7f223718-2985-4135-b28d-a5062dc2a016n%40googlegroups.com.
