[RBW] Re: WTB: 66 or 68cm Quickbeam frame set

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Och! Isaac, my heart goes out to you. I found a new way to (attempt) to go 
tubeless with my Hunqapillar: my drive-side chain stay broke in a way 
neither Grant nor Mark N.  has ever seen before (figures: I get that a 
lot.). I still need to clear the parts from the frame and clean it so they 
can see what may have happened, but with fixing and paint et al, it is 
pricy. So, you are not alone in your simultanious woe that the frame broke 
and delight that it was well loved and steel so broke in a way that loved 
you too. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 12:15:03 PM UTC-6, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hey bunch, 
>
> Long shot here, but I’m looking for a 66 (preferred) or 68cm Quickbeam 
> frame set. I just discovered a crack in my BB shell and I’m devastated. 
>
> Isaac in Portland OR

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[RBW] Re: steps to mount a tire / tubeless is easy?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'd add: hassle of a field flat with latex goop and tube (unless hauling a 
compressor). I've dealt with goop in a tube and that was bad enough for me. 
But I only get 2-4 flats a year.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 at 8:29:15 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>
> Someone I won't name, because he should be gratefully honored for his 
> contributions and definitely never hectored about such trivia, wrote he 
> could think of at least 11 steps to mounting a tube in a tire off the top 
> of his head.
>
> I only think of 10.
>Put a layer of rim tape on the rim
>Put one bead of the tire on the rim down in the well
>Put talc on the tube or the inside surface of the tire.
>Put just enough air in the tube to give it some shape
>Put the tube inside the tire and around the rim (with the valve through 
> the hole of course)
>Push the other bead of the tire onto the rim and down into the well
>Make sure the tube isn't stuck under a tire bead anyplace
>Inflate to seat the beads
>Make sure the beads are seated
>Reduce pressure to what you ride
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Now for tubeless its (assuming no difficulties/hiccups)
>Put n layers of tubeless rim tape on the rim
>Install the valve stem, pull the core 
>Slather soapy water al over the place
>Put the tire on the rim
>Use a compressor to blow air through the valve body to seat the tire 
> (may spray soapy water about doing this)
>Put sealant in through the valve
>Put the valve core back in
>Inflate the tire (may have sealant spraying about doing this)
>Check that sealant isn't coming out around the bead 
>Spin the wheel a few times
>Let it sit overnight (reminds me of gluing tubulars)
>Re-inflate to riding pressure because it probably got soft overnight
>
> Now I'll agree that that doesn't sound too bad, only a dozen steps. I also 
> agree that anyone who works on stuff, and has a shop or a garage, should 
> get a compressor. Well worth the investment (can you say air tools, fun). 
> But with the potential for spraying soapy water and/or sealant about, and 
> the risk of significant difficulty seating/sealing the beads etc, I don't 
> see how an honest appraisal can really conclude its not significantly more 
> trouble than installing tires with tubes. Kinda like gluing tubulars. Now I 
> can't quote anybody saying tubeless setup is trivial and as easy as using 
> tubes, but I feel like some proponents sort of imply something close to 
> that. Am I wrong?
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: steps to mount a tire / tubeless is easy?

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I didn't read this as a contentious post at all, but as rather similar to 
my own ruminations puzzling out if/why to go tubeless. For me the goop 
thing is huge in the field. For others, no biggie. Now, if goat heads were 
a bigger issue for me? That would change the result of the equation, as 
goop is preferable to multiple flats/day. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] 30 Days of Biking!

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@Andy: Welcome, Andy! As Masmojo points out, the Albastache is usually 
mounted other way round -- the benefit being a much more comfortable hand 
position in the curves.

@Leah asked what it takes to work your core on a bike. You pulled on those 
handlebars, effectively doing squats and sit-up simultaniously. That'll do 
the trick. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:16:41 AM UTC-6, ANDREW ALLEN ERMAN wrote:
>
> Hi, all!  My name is Andy and I am new to your group.  I had a great ride 
> today on my Roadini.  I just changed the handle bars from Noodles to 
> Albastache - the modification enhanced my pleasure greatly.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Roberta > 
> wrote:
>
> Everyone's stories and pictures are so inspiring!  Alas, I have no great 
> ones, other that I get in 4-5, sometimes 6, rides in per week, more than I 
> was doing before our current situation.  Working from home and not 
> commuting or working until dark has freed up 2-3 hours of my day.  I didn't 
> feel like a ride yesterday,  so I went for a walk instead.  
>
> Inspired by Paul in Dallas' ride to the grocery store the other day, I 
> hopped on my She-Devil, the perfect in - town bike, and rode to a hardware 
> store across town, 4 miles RT.  The basket and net on the back was a gift 
> of AHH owner who lived near me, moved to the UK, and offered it on the 
> list.  I love it. 
>
> Once I got home, that bike went into my breezeway and I took Joe Appaloosa 
> for a nice 12 mile ride.  Came home smiling.
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 10:19:17 AM UTC-4, truegolden wrote:
>
> Pic from an earlier grocery run during this 'crisis'.
>
>
> I've made up a bit for missed days with multiple rides on several days.
>
>
> Thursday,  Friday,  and Saturday I got in 60 miles total. 
> My wife joined me for about half of that.
>
>
> I have a goal of at least 200 for the month.
>
>
> We are amazed at all the families getting out and about for exercise, 
> fighting 'cabin fever, like us I guess.
>
>
> One of my biggest frustrations is having to keep my 'distance ' from my 10 
> month old granddaughter!
>
>
> That's pretty minor compared to many folks sore trials but still very 
> frustrating for me.
>
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
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[RBW] Re: Camping bikes

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Hey Jason! Here's my prototype Gus Boots last year: 
https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 7:41:08 PM UTC-6, J L wrote:
>
> Hello all, 
>
> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>
> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>
> Jason 
> SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

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Welcome, JP!

I second Dorthy's question, and add one:

- walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is 
never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single track on 
Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>
> Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a person 
> had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.   I did 
> an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom 
> immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually 
> created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my 
> Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.   
>
> Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more 
> kids.   
>
> Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding 
> for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings 
> that was great until I moved. 
> But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again. 
>
> I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a 
> bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it. 
>
> Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.   
>
> Really excited to be riding again in any case! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

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Gotcha. As another alternative, you can learn to climb with greater 
power/torque at a slower cadence. In effect, you are doing a one-legged 
squat with each pedal stroke, while pulling up on the bars. The trick is to 
do so with partial power and continue to slow breathe (I nose breathe only, 
save for fully anaerobic climbs and/or climbs at higher altitude (starting 
around 11k feet). It takes a bit to get used to it, but it uses anaerobic 
power with aerobic effort, if that makes sense.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>
> I don't mind walking at all, it's not so so steep - but it is long - my 
> dad's homer with a triple isn't a pleasant experience.  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:40:58 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Welcome, JP!
>>
>> I second Dorthy's question, and add one:
>>
>> - walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is 
>> never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single track 
>> on Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a 
>>> person had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.   
>>> I did an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom 
>>> immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually 
>>> created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my 
>>> Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.   
>>>
>>> Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more 
>>> kids.   
>>>
>>> Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding 
>>> for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings 
>>> that was great until I moved. 
>>> But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again. 
>>>
>>> I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a 
>>> bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it. 
>>>
>>> Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.   
>>>
>>> Really excited to be riding again in any case! 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh, and I forgot to repeat, just swap your cranks for a tirpple or a wide 
double and you're all set. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 1:38:54 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Gotcha. As another alternative, you can learn to climb with greater 
> power/torque at a slower cadence. In effect, you are doing a one-legged 
> squat with each pedal stroke, while pulling up on the bars. The trick is to 
> do so with partial power and continue to slow breathe (I nose breathe only, 
> save for fully anaerobic climbs and/or climbs at higher altitude (starting 
> around 11k feet). It takes a bit to get used to it, but it uses anaerobic 
> power with aerobic effort, if that makes sense.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 11:08:24 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>>
>> I don't mind walking at all, it's not so so steep - but it is long - my 
>> dad's homer with a triple isn't a pleasant experience.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 9:40:58 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Welcome, JP!
>>>
>>> I second Dorthy's question, and add one:
>>>
>>> - walk the hill? The lowest common gear (LCG every bike has. Walking is 
>>> never a failure, always an option, and sometimes the best option. Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick, who rides fixed gear 70" most milage, 55" gear for single track 
>>> on Pikes Peak, which includes LCG now and again.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 at 8:56:29 AM UTC-6, JP wrote:

 Hello I’m JP.  I was at The Concord Willows REI 10 years ago and a 
 person had a shirt that said “Rivendell lugged bikes” on it or something.  
  
 I did an internet search when I got home and was converted by the wisdom 
 immediately.  Took a lunch trip over to the shop and met Kevin, eventually 
 created a “bike tree” of about 9 bikes with my own evangelizing.  With my 
 Sam being #2 after getting my dad to buy a homer.   

 Fast forward to today and I’ve since changed jobs houses and had more 
 kids.   

 Where I’ve moved has a relatively steep hill that had put me off riding 
 for a while.  My Sam has a double crank with road bike oriented size rings 
 that was great until I moved. 
 But with the help of a car rack and covid 19 I’ve stared again. 

 I’m bummed I missed the 2018 Rivendell stress as I would have helped a 
 bit.  I was having some work stress then too and missed it. 

 Anyway thinking of selling my Sam and Will@rbw said to look on here.   

 Really excited to be riding again in any case! 

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Introduction with ulterior motive

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Aye, I thought the same thing Bill. May Require a wider BB to clear the 
chain stays if they went as narrow as possible with the current build.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 6:11:51 AM UTC-6, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> I’m thinking your existing crank may very well have 74 bcd tapped 
> drillings on the inside that, with 5 more chainring bolts and spacers, will 
> allow you to mount a third, inner ring down to 24 teeth.  If so, no new 
> crank needed to convert to a triple. 
>
> Bill S

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[RBW] Re: What have you learned during the isolation?

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I see people discovering they can move in normal clothes: hiking, running, 
biking in non-athletic apparel. That is a delight to see!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] What have you learned during the isolation?

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Spurcycles bell does not carry in the silence of back trails, so I find it 
hard to imagine it working anywhere. I returned it and switched to 
Rivendell's big loud bell: that carries, sounds like a friendly trolly and 
is heard 2/3rd of the time on remote trails. The other 1/3rd? Either hard 
of hearing due to biology or music, or their brain's can't process the 
incongruity of a trolly on a remote trail, so they inexplicably ignore it 
(pretty sure this is 10% of the population). Grin. From the 2/3rd who hear 
it I get profound gratitude as though I'd handed them water after three 
days in the desert.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 5:48:18 PM UTC-6, ANDREW ALLEN ERMAN wrote:
>
> Too funny
>
> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
> Kicked her into the ditch, actually. But only in my sinful thoughts.
>
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 5:44 PM Andrew Erman  > wrote:
>
>> Patrick, 
>>
>> Great story!  Did you really push the lady in the ditch?
>>
>> I have an electric bike I used to ride to work (till a few weeks ago, 
>> when I switched to riding solely human powered bikes) - I have Zound horn 
>> on that bike to use with cars - it will definitely get people’s attention!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>>
>> Bells are friendly, but don't work with too many walkers I encounter. Two 
>> instances:
>>
>> First, was riding along a ditch bank road, saw a couple ahead taking the 
>> width of the path, started ringing my Spurcycle bell 100' in advance of 
>> passing; no reaction, so I passed. Man said, peevishly, "You should ring 
>> your bell." I, already peeved myself, skidded to a stop and said, "I 
>> started ringing it 50 yards back" -- a bit of an exaggeration, but not 
>> grossly so. He replied, "Thanks for ringing." I, mollified, got back on the 
>> bike, at which point the woman, standing next to him, said, peevisly, "You 
>> should have a bell!" I pushed her into the ditch.
>>
>> A week or 2 later, I was riding north (fast, admittedly, with strong 
>> tailwind) along a ditch road and saw a small crowd walking south, stretched 
>> out across the width of the road. Rang Spurcycle like the dickens from well 
>> in advance of passing; *no reaction!* I got within 30 feet and 
>> deliberately skidded my rear tire, at which point all looked up in panic 
>> and scattered. I continued on my way with a triumphant and scornful laugh.
>>
>> I replaced my brass striker bells with Spurcycles at great cost (the 
>> black anodized one was 60 bucks), but sweet and piercing as they are, they 
>> don't have the loud commanding NNNGGG of the large-size strikers. 
>> (Confession: Long, long ago, I used to enjoy using a Zounds! air horn on 
>> clueless pedestrians; tho' only after tiring out my bell thumb. They 
>> jumped!)
>>
>> Seriously, I try to rein in my temper; after all, so many people aren't 
>> used to shared routes. What is annoying is not so much the obstruction as 
>> the cluelessness; and I remind myself that I too am too often not mindful 
>> in other respects -- though I try to be. Mindfulness! It gets you so much 
>> more out of life!
>>
>> Or I could obey Garth. But there's no fun in that!
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 9:15 PM Ray Varella > > wrote:
>>
>>> I encounter walkers taking up entire paths quite frequently. 
>>> Some ignore bells. 
>>> So far, none of them have ignored a skidding tire. 
>>> I lock up my rear brake when I’m way behind them, they always turn 
>>> around and then move to the side. 
>>> I think it’s the impending possibility that someone is about to crash 
>>> into them that alerts them. 
>>>
>>> Bells are friendly and they work with civilized people. 
>>>
>>> Ray
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[RBW] Re: Going from Sam (60cm to New Atlantis (59cm) - asking the unaskable: how will the New Atlantis feel?

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JP,

My two ridable Rivs are opposites on the Riv spectrum. The svelt Quickbeam 
as a fixed gear cross bike and Gus Boots Willsen as an MTB all ways hauler. 
Do they feel different to ride? Absolutely. The reality is, however, that 
for all that, they arrive to the same spot on the same trail under the same 
conditions within minutes of each other. Each is a delight to ride and you 
will love the Atlantis. The engine matters more, and every Riv you ride 
will have the same engine. No way round that. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 7:41:29 PM UTC-6, JP wrote:
>
>
> (As I mentioned previously i thought i "needed" a new bike but don't.  
> However, it was too late I wanted a new bike.)
>
> I had always planned on getting a 63 MUSA Homer, but I just bought a New 
> Atlantis frame based on the following logic:
>
> 1. The best bike i've ridden has been the my dads Homer 63 cm Toyo.  
> 2. I've loved my Sam but i always like how the Homer was bigger (and it 
> felt longer).  The new bikes in the running (New Homer, New Atlantis and 
> Appaloosa) are all even longer than the 63cm Homer
> 3. Shell ridge is very close to where i live and i would be interested in 
> riding there.
> 4. Even if I was going to get the New Homer, it's sold out in my size.
> 4. Will @ RBW said an Appaloosa with Homer sized tires will feel more like 
> a "Homer" than a Homer with big tires would.
> 5. Appaloosa is also sold out.
> 6. New Atlantis even longer and sturdier 
>
> I'm possibly going to cannibalize the Sam and then sell the frame, the 
> silver sidepull brakes, and possibly the crank if RBW can't help me get a 
> 1-1 ratio out the small ring.  Or sell to family member.
>
> My brother has a 62 hunq and it doesn't feel a little heavier to ride than 
> the homer, but not dramatically so.  I've read the "weight thread" and I 
> still don't feel like i know the answer and so i thought it would ask 
>
> *Is the New Atlantis going to fill "heavy" compared to a Sam or Homer?*
>
> JP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'd recommend Cliffhangers for the extra width, but yes, absolutely, Atlas 
are stout enough. 2.8" is a lot of tire. I'm not sure I'd want to go 
narrower than the Cliffhangers, but they may well ride just fine. I know 
the modern stated limits can be pushed without compromizing safety (Jan at 
Rene Herse wrote about this somewhat recently), but I'm not sure what the 
real limits are. I feel solid and confident on my Cliffhangers with 
Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.8" on 27.5 wheels.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 6:06:59 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>
> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Garth, mounting Maxis 2.8" and Schwalbe 2.8" has gone just fine -- only 
the new normal have to work the wheel well just right to get them in due to 
snugger tolerances from tubeless rim/tires. Yes, I'm running tubes.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 2:27:03 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
> I  had hoped the Riv rim once mentioned for the Hillybikes would be 
> available *before/with* the frames arrival. Otherwise I'll do either a 
> Cliffhanger or the DM24, since I do use tubes. I'm not sure what tire I'll 
> get first, but it will be at least a 2.25-2.4, it depends on the tire 
> really. I didn't order a Susie so much for the extra width tires, but for 
> the quite tall head tube and it was a bright shiny Orange, like a fresh 
> glass of liquid Sunshine poured and cured on the frame. Plus, I like the 
> swoopy top tube appearance.  
>
> I'm sure if you asked Velocity about the Atlas on a bike that rides a 
> 2.25-2.8" tire they'd recommend the Cliffhanger instead. 
>
> For Deacon Patrick, do you have any issues mounting and dismounting your 
> tires(any tire you've tired) with tubes on the Cliffhangers ?
>
>
>
> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 8:06:59 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>>
>> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
>> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah, you may not be as far off with your finger test as you think (yes, 
your understanding of supple tire was off). The weight of the rider plays a 
big part. My daughters on their 2.1" tires run 20-30 psi just fine. Me, the 
200 lb ogre, need 35-40 psi. So, to Steve's point, you don't want to run 
50-55mm tires much above 30-40 psi if you want a good ride. As long as 
you're not bouncing with every pedal stroke or pinch flatting on rocks, 
roots, or curbs, you can run tires pretty low just fine.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 7:41:14 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself 
> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>
> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, 
> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was 
> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was 
> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>
> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
> Walmart. 
>
> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
> did it. 
>
> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
> supple tires were the ticket. 
>
> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how 
> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>
> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>
> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>
> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
> bike things. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: bike recs for my son

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Size him for a Clem L he can grow into? That's what we've been doing with 
our four lassies and it works very well. They have such a wide range and 
ride b etter than any kid bikes out there, in our experience.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 7:51:49 AM UTC-6, redsf wrote:
>
> Hello!
>   We've been riding and following riv bikes for a long time- or at least 
> the adults in the family.  My son's first real bike was a used trek (maybe 
> 850) with a rear rack and baskets- he was thus able to help with the 
> groceries and was of an age where that seemed like a cool thing.  The bike 
> was stolen (along with a purple riv Glorius- and recovered with the help of 
> this community, but that's another story). For his second bike, he had some 
> of his own aesthetic values and we built up an old Marin mtn bike that had 
> been left for dead.
>   He loves his knobby tires and doing wheelies, but now he's also eyeing 
> old road bikes and drop down handlebars. We're in San Francisco and we've 
> been dashing out for rides up Twin Peaks and out to the beach.  We could 
> find something without too much trouble on craigslist, but I want a frame 
> with enough stability for a rack- we go bike camping a couple times a year.
>   So we basically need a riv type bike that looks fast.  I can't justify 
> or afford spending too much money on a growing kid and would love another 
> project.  He's almost 5'8" and in sixth grade (tall!).
>   Anybody have something kicking around in SF? Recommendations for some 
> models and years I should keep my eye out for? 
> Thanks!
> TR
>

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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

All other things being equal, a hardtail will out climb a bouncy bike and a 
bouncy bike will out descend a hardtail. The simple answer is, of course 
you can do it. Keep in mind, you will need to ride the trails differently 
than they do (Grant's ruminations on Mongolian style riding are excellent 
fodder here). Where they shred, you bob and weave. You'll have as much or 
more fun, and enjoy the trail in a very different way because of this. 
Bottom line, absolutely, Clem can handle it. Go. Have a blast. Enlighten 
your friend's ignorance. And you will have your own version of smooth 
riding. Grin. Enjoy, with abandon!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 12:01:47 AM UTC-6, theenchantingwizardofrhythm 
wrote:
>
> Hi there - first time poster 
> and coming at you from Tel Aviv, possibly(?) the only Riv owner this side 
> of Mesopotamia...
>
> I got myself a 59 Clem H which I love oh so dearly
> My friends, equipped with hard-tail mountain-bikey-bikes, are going out 
> for a couple day off-rode ride that includes some singletrack.
> They say I probably can't hang with the Clem.
>
> So what do you think?
> Should I go out confident that the silver steed will hold its own?
> or am I setting myself up for a world of pain and a bruised bike? 
>
> Many thanks,
> gk
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I like a larger frame in the pre-long chain stay bikes. My PBH is 90, my QB 
is 66, and I love how it rides with bullmoose bars as a fixed cross bike.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Is the Clem a Hillibike?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Length is not a limiting factor. Yes, you will need to take different lines 
than on a shorter wheelbased bike, but you will be more stable doing so. 
The main factor you have to adjust to as a rider in tight, obstacled turns 
is plotting two lines, one for each wheel. In general, I swing 
wider/smoother with my front tire and my rear tire takes a tighter, 
jouncier line. Works just fine.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 11:39:50 AM UTC-6, theenchantingwizardofrhythm 
wrote:
>
> Woah - blown away by all the feedback - love it!
>
> So, Ive actually taken the Clem out on a few group rides with people on 
> "gravel bikes". Theyre always confused why I arrived with a "cruiser" - 
> until we get to dirt - and especially when we get to dirt climbs - and then 
> theyre even more confused to see me sail by with a smile. I get a lot of 
> credit as a rider - but I know that its the land-yacht I'm riding, not 
> these lanky legs. 
>
> Those rides though never really had very technical single-track, and thats 
> the open question. My buddy has since clarified that what worries him is 
> the sheer length of said land-yacht that may prove challenging for me. 
> Either way, sadly, turns out I cant even make it out to this trip :( - so 
> no ride report this time. But im going to test the limits soon! Thanks for 
> all the info and encouragement!
>
> Attached is a photo testing how to haul the bike. Not sure who's hauling 
> who here :))
>
> ps - loved the videos! @Adam L  - did I catch a glimpse of Revit there? 
> another architect in the room?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 9:01:47 AM UTC+3, theenchantingwizardofrhythm 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi there - first time poster 
>> and coming at you from Tel Aviv, possibly(?) the only Riv owner this side 
>> of Mesopotamia...
>>
>> I got myself a 59 Clem H which I love oh so dearly
>> My friends, equipped with hard-tail mountain-bikey-bikes, are going out 
>> for a couple day off-rode ride that includes some singletrack.
>> They say I probably can't hang with the Clem.
>>
>> So what do you think?
>> Should I go out confident that the silver steed will hold its own?
>> or am I setting myself up for a world of pain and a bruised bike? 
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> gk
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne/Quickbeam sizing question

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Well, Spencer, it is, kinda. For boiled wool. Grin. 
https://www.sweaterchalet.com/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 11, 2020 at 7:45:00 AM UTC-6, spencer robinson wrote:
>
> That is a Great Photo!! should be in the catalog 
>
> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 12:24:54 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Here's a photo of me QB in action.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> [image: IMG_6884.JPG]
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 9:47:50 AM UTC-6, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
>> Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>
>>> I like your style, Deacon.  I'm an 89 pbh and I think I'm aiming at a 64 
>>> or 65 C-T frame ideallylooks like the Simple One topped out at 62
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 at 11:37:56 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I like a larger frame in the pre-long chain stay bikes. My PBH is 90, 
 my QB is 66, and I love how it rides with bullmoose bars as a fixed cross 
 bike.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie Tire suggestions?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here's my initial review of Nobby Nic's (2.8"), which I still love are 
still going strong a year later. 
https://deaconpatrick.org/i-get-a-grip-while-the-aspen-bloom

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 9:16:06 AM UTC-6, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> I've got a Susie frameset on the way and am already in possession of a 
> beautiful set of Cliffhanger/WI MI5 wheels.  I'm uncertain, though, of 
> which tires to choose.  I'd prefer tan sidewalls, if possible, and would 
> like a 2.6 width(since I'll be running a 2x drivetrain.)  I've been looking 
> at Teravail's offerings, but don't know anyone who's personally used them. 
>  Does anyone here have any firsthand knowledge?  I'm looking at either the 
> Honcho or the new Kessel.  
>
> This bike will be dedicated to riding trails.  I am not an overly 
> aggressive rider, but I do want a performance oriented tire, if you know 
> what I mean.  I live in the Northeast and am looking for stability and 
> safety while riding sometimes muddy and wet-rooted trails.  I'm a big fan 
> of Schwalbe's tires and thought the Hans Dampf would be an appropriate 2nd 
> choice(or first choice?) if the Teravails weren't recommended.  But sadly, 
> their new "skinwall" versions don't aesthetically appeal to me. What do 
>  you think -- Tervail Honcho or Kessel or Schwalbe something or other?
>
> Thanks for your advice!
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie Tire suggestions?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh, and for me, tan walls are preferable, all things equal, but no way I'd 
only look at tan wall options. I steered away from Terevail just because 
they are such an unknown quantity.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 9:16:06 AM UTC-6, David Wadstrup wrote:
>
> I've got a Susie frameset on the way and am already in possession of a 
> beautiful set of Cliffhanger/WI MI5 wheels.  I'm uncertain, though, of 
> which tires to choose.  I'd prefer tan sidewalls, if possible, and would 
> like a 2.6 width(since I'll be running a 2x drivetrain.)  I've been looking 
> at Teravail's offerings, but don't know anyone who's personally used them. 
>  Does anyone here have any firsthand knowledge?  I'm looking at either the 
> Honcho or the new Kessel.  
>
> This bike will be dedicated to riding trails.  I am not an overly 
> aggressive rider, but I do want a performance oriented tire, if you know 
> what I mean.  I live in the Northeast and am looking for stability and 
> safety while riding sometimes muddy and wet-rooted trails.  I'm a big fan 
> of Schwalbe's tires and thought the Hans Dampf would be an appropriate 2nd 
> choice(or first choice?) if the Teravails weren't recommended.  But sadly, 
> their new "skinwall" versions don't aesthetically appeal to me. What do 
>  you think -- Tervail Honcho or Kessel or Schwalbe something or other?
>
> Thanks for your advice!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dingles: 1 X 17/20; 1 X 17/21

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joe and Doug: Surly dingle cogs: fixed gear cog 2 in 1. Works brilliantly 
on Quickbeam and Sinple One bikes. No longer made.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 6:24:48 PM UTC-6, DHans wrote:
>
> What the heck is a dingle? 
> Doug
>
> On Friday, May 15, 2020 at 2:20:46 PM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:
>>
>> Ha! No worries John, these are always in demand, so no harm done ;)
>>
>> I just dropped them off at the post office, they should be on their way 
>> to Patrick over the weekend.
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 8:29:18 PM UTC-4, JohnS wrote:
>>>
>>> No wonder Max wasn't mad when I backed out of the deal :)
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 14, 2020 at 7:43:29 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Brand?
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On my Proto-Gus I've been riding the 1x11 that Riv built up and it works well 
for what it is. However, part of what it is is fussy, and this plays poorly 
with my own fussiness. Sardonic grin. High torque mountain riding and 
waffer-thin mint cogs require fine calibration and my ogre riding and it are 
starting to have disagreements. In general, I shift 2-3 gears at a time. 
However, I LOVE the wide range it offers, and I love the 1x simplicity. Oh, and 
I'd love to shift back to friction shifting and the new Silver Surfer Shifter. 
Grin.

Range: 30 (front) x 11/46 yields 18" x 80", a range I'd love to keep.

Ideas for how such wide-range (18"-80") 5-6 gear (but 8 or 9 if needed would 
work) friction shifting beastie might be had?

Options I see:

- Could my current wheel lose it's cassette, gain Surly cassette cogs for the 
22-13 range, and then ??? for the bigger cogs?

- Sun Race offers an 8 speed 11-40t that might work. (They have a lot of 
options for others building up the Gus/Suzie as well).

- BoxComponents.com has a 9 speed 11-50 (pricy), all steel  I'd read somewhere 
about a wide range steel 8 or 9 speed cassette start-up, but can't find it now.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Would I miss intermediate gears? Nah. I'd be delighted with a manual shift 
three speed that was 80", 50", 20", so long as it was hearty and solid. 
Remember, my other bikes are fixe gear. Grin.

Yeah, Clayton, I've no desire to go down a rabbit hole on this, and great 
desire to avoid doing so. Grin.

However, I'm guessing I'll end up with a Box Three Prime 9 cassette, which 
works on 11-speed hubs. Hoping it is compatable with my derailure, and I 
can shift to a friction Silver Shifter.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 2:06:57 PM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
>
> I honestly don't think dropping below 7 speeds will gain you any 
> durability and if you are running 1X you'll surely miss the additional 
> intermediate gears. 
> 7 spead Shimano Deore was pretty much bullit proof with the advantage of 
> having an awesome indexing thumb shifter ( switchable to friction) the 
> downside is those systems were meant to be run 2X so the old stuff likely 
> won't work anywayz the rear derailleur probably has a max capacity of 36(?)
> Now Shimano makes some modern 7/8/9 speed stuff that the sell for lower 
> level bikes, similar to what Rivendell puts on Clems.
> I am running Altus 9 Speed rear on my Clementine. But did you need 
> freewheel or Cassette?

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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've bent 9-speed cogs, and broken a tooth or two off the big cog on the 
11-speed. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 2:53:06 PM UTC-6, Clayton Scott wrote:
>
> are you bending 11speed cogs? For me 11speed has been problem free for 
> years. 
>
> Clayton Scott
> HbG, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On order: Box Three Prime 9 cassette; Silver thumb shifters; Altus 
derailure. Thanks lads, for helping me think this through. I'll see how all 
parts play together. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 3:10:02 PM UTC-6, masmojo wrote:
>
> You will likely need a new derailleur if you are currently using an 11 
> speed derailleur, especially if you go to 9 or lower, because the chain is 
> wider. But you can try it first with the one you've got and then change it 
> if it doesn't work.
>
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[RBW] Re: How to get a wide range Bikepacking 5 or 6 speed cassette?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looking the specs over, I've shifted to getting the Box two x-wide group 
set and the Silver Shifters. This will give me a known working setup of the 
beefiest version, albeit annoyingly indexed, and allow me to test out 
Silver Shifter compatibility. The Altus doesn't go wide enough for cogs 
larger than 36t.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A number of thoughts from cooler but higher altitude Colorado where all day 
bikepacking trips are a sun challenge:

- I sunburn far less since eliminating industrial oils from my diet (soy, 
canola, etc).
- Calendula oil does wonders for healing burns rapidly. Also brilliant as a 
disinfectent and for rapid healing of scrapes.
- Loose, long sleeve, lightweight chambray or similar all cotton shirt. 
Similarly for pants. Gramicci is worth looking into there.
- I wear either cotton shorts, and sunscreen as needed, or wool breeks.
- For heat, a bandana rolled up and soaked works great and refresh as 
needed. Cools the blood going up and down the neck and via evaporation.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 6:27:40 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> Andy, did you attach a link somewhere and I’m not seeing it?
>
> I’m so sorry about your skin cancers. Ugh, really scary. I had an end 
> stage melanoma patient once, and it really left an impression on me. I’m 
> going for my annual dermatology visit when this crisis is over. 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 17, 2020, at 5:08 PM, Andrew Erman > 
> wrote:
>
> Leah, you may already be aware of these products but there are some 
> clothing that are designed to protect the active person form UV.  I have 
> never tried this type of clothing in weather such as you get in Vegas. 
>  Good luck!  As a recipient of 3 skin cancer surgeries, I can understand 
> your desire for protection.  Best, Andy
>
> On May 17, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  > wrote:
>
> I have been riding my big blue Clementine like it’s my JOB this year. I’ve 
> got 960 miles on that Blue Beauty and it’s only May, which is really good 
> for living in a car-centric suburb like mine. I wanted to do 2020 miles in 
> 2020, and the COVID crisis has put me ahead of schedule. With my husband 
> commandeering our bedroom as his office, one son Zooming his middle school 
> classes in the downstairs office, and my 2nd son Zooming 5th grade at my 
> kitchen table, there hasn’t been any places left for me in my house. It 
> seems I have no choice but to hit the road. Oh, twist my arm, why don’t 
> you. “Are you going out on your two-wheeler? Gonna hit the old dusty 
> trail?” my husband will ask. “Yes, I am doing this for YOU,” I say. 
>
> Compounding the issue is that I never leave before one mug of coffee, and 
> that mug cannot be rushed. So, I rarely get out there before 7:30 when the 
> sun is high in the sky. This is Vegas, and it’s hot here - we are in the 
> 90s and not a cloud in the sky most recently. Enclosed is a photo of my tan 
> line, and I haven’t even spent much time in the pool yet. Yikes. I’ve been 
> wearing some non-toxic sunscreen but honestly, it’s just better to cover 
> up. But how do you cover up when it’s so hot outside? I can’t imagine 
> wearing pants and long sleeves, but I also don’t want sun damage and skin 
> cancer, so I figured I’d come here and see what you folks do. 
>
> What clothing could I wear that would protect my skin without making me 
> sweat to death? Linen would be a good option, right? But where do you get 
> linen riding clothing? 
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

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Aye. Life is fatal. Grin.

One alternative skin protectant on a hot day is to ride dirt roads and 
trails. Tires kick up dust. Dust sticks to sweaty skin. Pass it off as a 
tan. Blocks sun too. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick, who tanned a lot on todays dusty ride.

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 3:12:15 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>
> Eric - you make some good points.  As a culture we seem to be slowly 
> entranced into the concept of being "safe" everywhere and for everything. 
>  There is no such thing as being absolutely safe.  One can get seriously 
> injured or even killed in any number of ways every day.  It's more about 
> weighing the risks of one thing against another.  As someone well known to 
> all of us once said, "just ride."
>
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 3:55:06 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> The FDA still advises using sunscreen; basically, the risk and 
>> consequences of skin cancer outweigh the risks of wearing sunscreen. They 
>> also did not conclude that any of the chemicals absorbed are unsafe 
>> (although they would like to do additional research).
>>
>> Read more here: 
>> https://www.fda.gov/news-events/fda-voices/shedding-more-light-sunscreen-absorption
>>  
>>
>> It’s about balancing risks.
>>
>> We all make these decisions every day. We go out to ride our bikes, 
>> despite the risk that we might get hit by a car. The benefits of the ride 
>> outweigh the risk. People who don’t ride their bikes for fear of being hit 
>> by a car look at the same situation and make a different decision.
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> www.campyonly.com
>> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>>
>> On May 19, 2020, at 1:48 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Leah I never have been a fan of slathering chemicals on my skin 
>> either; then I heard last year that the typical sunscreen was getting 
>> absorbed into the bloodstream! That seemed like it was probably not a good 
>> thing and just reinforced my resolve not to use it. 
>> Between the fact that I've been riding in sunny Texas for 52 years and 
>> with the Global Warming it just seems to get hotter and more sunny every 
>> year.  I had to start covering my skin; arms, nose & neck especially. 
>> Problem for me is finding something that does the job, isn't too hot and 
>> fits my idea of what appropriate cycling gear should look like.
>> Unfortunately most sun specific bike gear errs towards a super technical 
>> look that's kind of overkill OR more genteel, stuff that looks like it's 
>> perfect for sitting around in & drinking iced tea on the veranda.
>> I may be old enough to be a grandpa, but I'm not one and I do make an 
>> effort to not reinforce the geriatric stereotype. 
>> Maybe one day I'll stop dressing like a teenager, but I doubt it.
>> Yesterday, I was riding with a light weight, white, cotton T-shirt & 
>> while it didn't cover my arms I never felt uncomfortable.
>> I sometimes ride with rayon Hawaiian shirts that I've gotten at the 
>> thrift store, but again they don't cover my arms.
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Re: [RBW] Sun Protection in Sunny Climes

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just when I thought I was remote enough there were no cameras! Caught in 
the act, and yes, that is my better side. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 4:01:37 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> You’re an elephant, Deacon!
>
> [image: Elephant gives himself a dust bath in amazing set of photographs 
> ...]
>
> article-0-0D901C140578-362_634x425.jpg 
> <https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/25/article-0-0D901C140578-362_634x425.jpg>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
> On May 19, 2020, at 2:59 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Aye. Life is fatal. Grin.
>
> One alternative skin protectant on a hot day is to ride dirt roads and 
> trails. Tires kick up dust. Dust sticks to sweaty skin. Pass it off as a 
> tan. Blocks sun too. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick, who tanned a lot on todays dusty ride.
>
> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 3:12:15 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Eric - you make some good points.  As a culture we seem to be slowly 
>> entranced into the concept of being "safe" everywhere and for everything. 
>>  There is no such thing as being absolutely safe.  One can get seriously 
>> injured or even killed in any number of ways every day.  It's more about 
>> weighing the risks of one thing against another.  As someone well known to 
>> all of us once said, "just ride."
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 3:55:06 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>
>>> The FDA still advises using sunscreen; basically, the risk and 
>>> consequences of skin cancer outweigh the risks of wearing sunscreen. They 
>>> also did not conclude that any of the chemicals absorbed are unsafe 
>>> (although they would like to do additional research).
>>>
>>> Read more here: 
>>> https://www.fda.gov/news-events/fda-voices/shedding-more-light-sunscreen-absorption
>>>  
>>>
>>> It’s about balancing risks.
>>>
>>> We all make these decisions every day. We go out to ride our bikes, 
>>> despite the risk that we might get hit by a car. The benefits of the ride 
>>> outweigh the risk. People who don’t ride their bikes for fear of being hit 
>>> by a car look at the same situation and make a different decision.
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> www.campyonly.com
>>> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2020, at 1:48 PM, masmojo  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, Leah I never have been a fan of slathering chemicals on my skin 
>>> either; then I heard last year that the typical sunscreen was getting 
>>> absorbed into the bloodstream! That seemed like it was probably not a good 
>>> thing and just reinforced my resolve not to use it. 
>>> Between the fact that I've been riding in sunny Texas for 52 years and 
>>> with the Global Warming it just seems to get hotter and more sunny every 
>>> year.  I had to start covering my skin; arms, nose & neck especially. 
>>> Problem for me is finding something that does the job, isn't too hot and 
>>> fits my idea of what appropriate cycling gear should look like.
>>> Unfortunately most sun specific bike gear errs towards a super technical 
>>> look that's kind of overkill OR more genteel, stuff that looks like it's 
>>> perfect for sitting around in & drinking iced tea on the veranda.
>>> I may be old enough to be a grandpa, but I'm not one and I do make an 
>>> effort to not reinforce the geriatric stereotype. 
>>> Maybe one day I'll stop dressing like a teenager, but I doubt it.
>>> Yesterday, I was riding with a light weight, white, cotton T-shirt & 
>>> while it didn't cover my arms I never felt uncomfortable.
>>> I sometimes ride with rayon Hawaiian shirts that I've gotten at the 
>>> thrift store, but again they don't cover my arms.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Help Pimp My Quickbeam

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Congratulations, Scott! I may have missed some details, so apologies in 
advance if a suggestion is off.

I love my bullmoose bars on my QB. They shine on all routes and especially 
so on singletrack or technical dirt roads. Albastache bars are excellent, 
but on technical descents, the brakes are in the drops, making weighting 
the rear of the bike harder. Still, very ridable.

Gearing: I live on Pikes Peak. Ain't nuffin' flat here. Here is what I ride 
for everything:

I'm pretty sure my silver QB is 120 rear spacing, so you may want to 
confirm that. I have a Paul 120 track hub and a 18/21 dingle cog with a 44t 
chain ring, yielding a 57" low and 70" high. The 57" is great gearing for a 
go fast cross bike. Rene Herse Stelacoom tires are brilliant. WIthout a 
dingle cog, I'd run an 18t freewheel and 21 or 22t fixed cog for 
trails/steeps.

SS and Fixed cultivate the mentality of ride till you can't, walk till you 
can. LCG (lowest common gear, the gear every bike comes with) is always an 
option, and one you will always use, more so while you build up your 
muscles and stamina for SS and fixed. Expect this and allow it to jsut be 
part of the ride, because ... it is. Grin. Enjoy!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, May 20, 2020 at 7:00:05 PM UTC-6, Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
> And by pimp I mean, "make into a functional and kinda handsome bicycle." I 
> always wanted a Quickbeam, and I've just missed a few for sale here. Last 
> week a friend alerted me that our own Reid Echols was putting out feelers 
> on Instagram about selling his 64cm QB. Long story short, a frameset is 
> headed my way.
>
> In preparation, I've been futzing in the parts bins, and thinking about 
> the build. I realized that it's been a good long while since I built up a 
> single speed--way back in 2011 when I did up a dumpster find Trek 720 frame 
> for my daughter's college bike. I'm getting the F/F/HS, so I have some 
> decisions to make. The frame has been re-spaced in the rear to 130mm OLN.
>
> A bit of info about my likely use-case scenarios. I live about 16 miles 
> from the center of town, and almost all my rides are longish. I do run 
> errands to the Post Office (7 miles round trip) and store (around 12), but 
> most of my rides are at least 25 miles. I'll also jump on dirt roads when I 
> can. Tucson is pretty flat in the valley, but we are surrounded on all 
> sides by mountains. If I want to climb, I can. On my geared bikes, my 
> average speed is16.5-18.5mph for rides up to 65 miles or so (I mention this 
> only for purposes of helping me decide gearing--see below).
>
> Parts I have:
>
>- SKF 110 bottom bracket
>- Beat up but functional Campy Record Double 172.5 crankset 135bcd 
>with various rings, mostly of the 53/39 variety
>- Nitto F32 front Rack just picked up from RBW member Joe Lonner
>- A set of vintage Mafac Canti brakes f/r
>- A nice light set silver set of Ritchey Classic tubeless compatible 
>wheels (1440 grams!)
>- Nitto Pearl 100mm stem, maybe a 110 too
>- Nitto Noodle 46cm (or maybe 44cm?) bars
>- Gravel King SK 38mm and 43mm TLC tires (a pair of each)
>
> Reid had it built at least two ways, both really attractive to my eye 
> (photos to follow): one with drops, one with risers. Seeing that I have 
> Noodles already, I'll likely just use those initially. I'm generally a drop 
> bar guy anyhow. So, my main questions are drivetrain/gearing.
>
>- Should I keep the rear spacing at 130mm and use a Surly Speed Spacer 
>kit: https://surlybikes.com/parts/spacer_kit
>- Or respace to 120mm (I also have a 120 fixed/free hub I could build 
>up).
>- Suggestions for gearing set ups. I noticed that I can buy 46t and 
>48t rings for the Campy 135bcd crankset I have. I typically ride bikes 
> with 
>a 46/48/49 tooth big ring and don't get out of the big ring in the valley. 
>Chain is somewhere mid-cassette. 
>- What would the original Sugino crankset gearing look like? What 
>would Grant's preferred set up be?
>- What about rear cog(s)? 16t, 17t? 
>- Tell me about basket life? I've mostly done rando bag set ups, but 
>maybe one of those Wald racer baskets on this? What do you put in the 
>basket to keep your sh** from falling through the holes? 
>
> So many choices for such a "simple" bike, right?
>
> Scott Calhoun
> Tucson, AZ
>
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[RBW] Re: help with rear derailer

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am quickly outclassed by derailures, but my first thought was to adjust 
cable length. Kind of an "is it plugged in" suggestion, but you did ask for 
simple. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 21, 2020 at 8:13:26 AM UTC-6, Patch T wrote:
>
> Hi Bunch,
>
> Hoping you could help me work through throuble-shooting a friction 
> shifting issue on a rear derailer. I have a feeling it's actually a much 
> simpler issue than I think, and that I may already know the problem. But 
> looking for advice anyhow.
>
> PROBLEM: 
> -- rear derailer won't shift into highest gear on it's own 
> -- but it does when I apply forward motion with moderate pressure with my 
> right foot at about 2 to 3 c'clock position 
> -- all other gears shift fine, if not wonderfully
>
> CAVEAT: 
> -- I'm using vintage parts that may not play well. But I think they could? 
> All but one part are in great condition. So there's that.
>
> DRIVETRAIN: 
> -- rear derailer: *Suntour Cyclone GT long cage 
> 
>   
> the High limit screw is maxed out*
> *-- *front der: Suntour Cyclone
> -- have tried both 8 spd and 9 spd 11-32/36 cassettes with same issue, 
> *although 
> 8 speed is slightly better*
> -- White Ind M15 shimano body hub, with correct spacers
> -- yes, fresh chain
> -- Rene Herse double 44/28
> -- 113mm bottom brackett
> -- vintage suntour bar-cons (this is the only vintage item that is not in 
> near-perfect condition, in my amateur opinion)
> -- recently changed all cable and housing
>
> ALSO IMPORTANT: *the same bike has experienced great index shifting with 
> the following:*
> -- White Industries ENO crank with 42 tooth chainring
> -- same 113mm bottom brackett
> -- SRAM Rival road brake/shifters
> -- SRAM Rival rear derailer
> -- SRAM cassette 11spd, 11-42 
>
> THOUGHTS:
> -- this is a chainline issue; the WI crank has a wider Q that the Rene 
> Herse, so derailer can move chain outside easier?
> -- If the above is true, is the only solution a BB with longer spindles?
> -- I'm being overly optimistic with the actual abilities of the Suntour 
> Cyclone and should give up. Even though it easily wraps the lower gears.
> -- the derailer is in fact bent and I can't tell with my naked eye
>
>
> Thanks everyone!
>
> Patch
> BK/NY
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Help Pimp My Quickbeam

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thoughts on "shifting" a single speed/fixed. The only reason to do this 
I've encountered, in broadest terms, is mountains and trails or roads that 
may as well be trails. I've done century rides on my QB on roads in the 
mountains that never needed the lower gear. But ride in high gear to the 
trail head a few miles away and riding the trail is walking the trail 
unless I shift. It takes less than a minute. Fenders are a non-issue if 
using a Dingle or Dos, but make the process a frustrating one for flip/flop.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: It’s dull around here, let me bring some color

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Aye, I find it surprising who recognizes quality and who does not. Glad you 
found a spot that, at the very least, appreciates they are working on 
quality. Hopefully that helps them rise to that level if they aren't 
already there. Grin.

Leah, you'd asked: "Has anyone dialed in a bike and then left it alone from 
that day forward? Chime in here." Chiming in. I've gone with the same basic 
setup for a number of years on a couple of bikes (Quickbeam and 
Hunqapillar). My advantage is I break things, being an ogre, so have to 
replace things and use that as a natural time to assess and try new bits. 
So, my answer is Yes, er, no, er, maybe, with a lot of caveats. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: 64cm Clem L ( should I preorder)

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh, there are gaps. So many gaps. Between any two points there are an 
infinite number of gaps. The real question is contentment. Are you content 
without filling those gaps? Can you be? Is there a need, or just wants that 
can be elevated to needs? Or wants that you have no issue filling? Only you 
can answer them thar questions. Grin. Enjoy wrestling!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 4:43:23 PM UTC-6, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> I like smart bikes but have way to many.  They do not make a Cheviot that 
> would fit me, I had but sold a jumbo mountain Mixte Rosco before building 
> it up. 
> I am 6’6”ish 220-240ish with a 99.5PBH in my early fifties.  Is there a 
> good/great reason to get a step through at this stage of my cycling career? 
> I have no gaps in my cycling bike needs. 
> Should move some giant Riv bikes/frames but worked to hard accumulating 
> them. 
> What do I do? 
> Leah I know you think I should get one so simply tell me which color 😂! 
>
> Ryan Hankinson 
> West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 62cm Hunqapillar Frame & Fork

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

PM sent.

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 8:42:22 PM UTC-6, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Hey all, 
>
> I’m looking for a 62cm Hunqapillar frame and fork.  I only want the frame 
> and fork.  I don’t need any parts or a complete bike.  I’m looking for a 
> Waterford produced Hunq.  Paint condition doesn’t mater, though I’d prefer 
> something that doesn’t have nice paint.  I’m planning on doing some 
> modifications to the frame, so the paint will be coming off.  Let me know 
> if you have anything. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Keith 
> CycleFix 
> Lawrence KS

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar suggestions for Gus\Susie

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My protoGus first had a wavy bar, which I loved, but I got a Jones bar (the 
raised one) to try it higher, which I like. My idea would be to get a 
shorter stem with some rise for the wavy bar. The Jones bar a sharper angle 
than I like ideally, the wavy is the same as the bullmoose, and shallower 
than Jones, and I like the shallower angle.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 4:23:43 PM UTC-6, Bill Fulford wrote:
>
> I got lucky and snagged a large GB Willsen and now am thinking about 
> handlebars. What are Gus\Susie owners going to use for handlebars? Thanks 
> for your input. Bill

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[RBW] Re: Handlebar suggestions for Gus\Susie

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I should add, I had bullmoose Boscos at first, as they came with the 
prototype build. I loved them in all aspects save for technical descents, 
where all that jouncing requires a flatter bar rather than a bar more 
parallel to the top tube. Hanse the switch to the wavy and Jones bars.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 10:47:20 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My protoGus first had a wavy bar, which I loved, but I got a Jones bar 
> (the raised one) to try it higher, which I like. My idea would be to get a 
> shorter stem with some rise for the wavy bar. The Jones bar a sharper angle 
> than I like ideally, the wavy is the same as the bullmoose, and shallower 
> than Jones, and I like the shallower angle.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 4:23:43 PM UTC-6, Bill Fulford wrote:
>>
>> I got lucky and snagged a large GB Willsen and now am thinking about 
>> handlebars. What are Gus\Susie owners going to use for handlebars? Thanks 
>> for your input. Bill
>
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[RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For all you pondering your GBW builds, this was simple on my Gus prototype (and 
wow! is it great having friction shifting back and wider spacing between gears!)

- Box Components: Two 11-50t x-wide 9-speed cassette, derailure, and two chains 
(two required for the long chain stays, keep the second for next round each 
time)
- Rivendell's Silver Shifter 2 and long shifter cable.

My wee test ride stunned me with how easily it came together, requiring zero 
adjustments. I'll get out on the trails and see how it rides and report back 
here. Wonderfully smooth so far. Should be a bit lower gearing for climbing yet 
more insane stuff, same high gear.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Ed. Aye, Joe spotted it: Box Components. Easy to miss, being a fairly 
generic sounding name. I got this groupset: 
https://www.boxcomponents.com/Box-Two-P9-X-Wide-Multi-Shift-Groupset_2

The cassette is steel cogs, so should last a good long while. Box offer 
several price points, creatively named one, two, three, and four. Grin. I 
got "two", it being the heartiest. I have a friction shifter new in box 
I'll return once I've ridden trails more to ensure everything is happy with 
the Silver Shifter. I got the groupset in case the silver shifter didn't 
work (Box said friction is not compatible though some have made it work ... 
then sent me to some fancy Wolf Tooth part. Riv said, "Box? It works great! 
SRAM, no, Box yes." I followed Box's install video and Riv's install page, 
and was prepared to be down a bike for however long it took me to dial 
things in. Best first test ride I've ever had of my own wrenching. Nothing 
to adjust. It was dialed. Oh, and you'll definitely want a quicklink tool 
... these are stubborn to get in, and I has to work the links back and 
forth to loosen them up once clicked in.

Today we're supposed to get rain and snow, desperately needed, so it'll be 
a good test of how it all works.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 2:47:27 AM UTC-6, ed wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick,
> Can you give more details on your GBW build?
> What is the brand of your 11-50t 9 speed cassette?
> What crankset did you use?
> Edgar
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:38 AM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> For all you pondering your GBW builds, this was simple on my Gus 
>> prototype (and wow! is it great having friction shifting back and wider 
>> spacing between gears!)
>>
>> - Box Components: Two 11-50t x-wide 9-speed cassette, derailure, and two 
>> chains (two required for the long chain stays, keep the second for next 
>> round each time)
>> - Rivendell's Silver Shifter 2 and long shifter cable.
>>
>> My wee test ride stunned me with how easily it came together, requiring 
>> zero adjustments. I'll get out on the trails and see how it rides and 
>> report back here. Wonderfully smooth so far. Should be a bit lower gearing 
>> for climbing yet more insane stuff, same high gear.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>> www.CatholicHalos.org
>> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

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One word review from first full ride on all surfaces: Solid.

More word review: Each gear feels closer to the solidity of fixed gear or 
single speed, I presume because of the combo of 9 speed chain and steel 
cogs. Interestingly, this gives a wider range of comfort for each gear. 
With the 11 speed I always felt like if I pushed it in a gear the gear 
would skip/bend/break. I'm delighted so far.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

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Ooooh, Lithocarpus! Active contemplation on a bike ride is a beautiful way 
to wrestle with life's core questions, and none is more core than death. 
Backwards as it seems, our understanding of death defines our understanding 
of life, and our value, meaning, and purpose. May your rides help you find 
peace, value, meaning, and purpose!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 7:37:29 PM UTC-6, Lithocarpus wrote:
>
> I spent the better part of four hours wandering around trails near my home 
> in the Napa Valley trying out the new drivetrain on my hillibike-ish 
> Atlantis.  I nearly always take photos on my rides.  I've done this for 
> many, many years and used to take actual cameras with me before the advent 
> of good quality cameras on phones.  This shot is from the top of Conn Peak, 
> looking south over Lake Hennessey.  
>
> I spent the better part of this ride pondering death. A colleague at work 
> died suddenly this week and I've been processing all of it.  I've lost a 
> lot of people over the years, as we all have I'm sure, but this one has 
> bothered me in a different way.  He was in his late twenties and it makes 
> it all feel really tenuous.  Being on my bike, riding, climbing hills, 
> helps keep me grounded in the here and now and cope with the bigger 
> mysteries of life and death.  It's another form of meditation.   
>

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[RBW] Re: Recumbent help for Dad, un-Rivy post

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I rode a Greenspeed trike for quite a few years and loved it ... on smooth 
roads. Tadpole trikes are much more stable for cornering than delta, but 
they are like getting in and out of a low to the ground race car. Presuming 
more sedate riding (not cornering at speed etc.), a delta trike is much 
easier on/off. I'd recommend talking with Angletech. 
https://cycledifferent.com/ to learn what the best options are.

As an alternative, how would your dad do walking more? Are those barriers 
easier to address than trike barriers?

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem PreSale

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Wisdom, this. "... and I failed to utilize google ..."

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 at 1:28:38 PM UTC-6, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> Thank you! My school was private with no religious affiliation so I was 
> confused by the reference (and I failed to utilize google….). 
>
>
>
> On May 27, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Dorothy C > 
> wrote:
>
> Fictitious school drawn by Ronald Searle, featured in a couple of old 
> British movies.  
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Trinian's_School
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[RBW] Re: Hot Waxing Chains

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On the opposite side of the spectrum from wax, I use chain saw oil. One 
drop per link, whenever the chain begins to talk. I worry not one whit 
about cleaning it. Works great in all environs, all year long.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Hot Waxing Chains

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Good to connect with you too, Michael, even when you are wrong about 
thinking I am wrong. Grin. I agree, my method increases part wear, and I 
agree the question we each are answering in our own way, as you well 
express, is: "how much of my life do I want to give up trying to extend the 
life of chainrings?"

For my riding, oft in sloppy environs of one type or another, with 
stunningly abrasive, sharp, decomposed granite grit, large and small, I 
either put in a lot of work and still have a fiar bit of wear, or I simply 
ensure the bits keep working, as you describe, replaice chains more often, 
and figure I lose a year or so of drivetrain life, but save a year or so of 
my life keeping it clean. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: BQ fund drive for Black Lives Matter

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I agree with you, Jan: human dignity is not being upheld and we absolutely 
need to respond. Of course, throughout human history this has been the case 
since the Fall. Grin. What human dignity is, how and why is it being 
undermined, and how to we strive to restore right relationship and uphold 
the dignity of every person ... there is lots of room there for people of 
good will to disagree.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

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Early spring colors on the trail on the skirts of Pikes Peak:

https://deaconpatrick.org/early-spring-colors

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

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Inspired by this thread, I will see if chainsaw oil applied so sparingly 
but not wiped off accomplishes much the same thing. Still working through 
me huge pint I bout a few years ago. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

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Aye, at 9,500ft, these trees have less betwixt them and space, so the blue 
really pops, unless we have fire haze. In sympathy to your heat, you'll be 
happy to hear today's ride had me having to un tuck my shirt to promote air 
flow at 8am swelter approaching 70˚F climbing up the pass. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 3:43:50 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Beautiful pictures as always. Your skies are even bluer than ours.
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:26 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Early spring colors on the trail on the skirts of Pikes Peak:
>>
>> https://deaconpatrick.org/early-spring-colors
>>
>> With abandon,
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[RBW] Camera Suggestions

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've no longer a mobile phone, which means I've also no longer the camera I'd 
been using or the timer and burst mode app that I used with it.

Ideas for quality digital adventure camera that has good value? I'm using a 
Panasonic point and shoot for now, but the self timer is very limited. Ideally, 
a timer would allow for a burst of 10 or so photos and a delay of up to 20 or 
30 seconds.

Thanks!

With abandon,
Patrick

Fight systemic racism! 20M Black lives lost since 1973, targeted in the name of 
healthcare for minorities. Black lives matter, from womb to natural tomb! Hail 
Mary...

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[RBW] Re: Camera Suggestions

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Brilliant, Kai! Thank you. Even their Elph allows for up to 30 sec. delay 
with 10 shot burst.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:26:13 PM UTC-6, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>
> from womb to natural tomb!
>
> I have found that Canon has the best timer software, but maybe others have 
> stepped up their game. 
> -Kai
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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

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Michael,

I sold the chain saw after me bludgeoned brain. I can't be near the loud 
motor. I use a Silky saw now. the 14" blade goes through stunningly thick 
downed trees for quick(ish) human powered trail work.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:54:37 PM UTC-6, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> Deacon, do you actually own chain saw?  I owned a chain saw for many 
> years, decades actually.  Then one day I looked down and noticed that I 
> still had to legs and two hands and decided I would sell my chainsaw while 
> I was ahead.  I still own many dangerous tools, including a 3HP table saw, 
> a tool which maims an American every seven minutes, but a chain saw, no 
> thank you.
>
> Michael
>
> On Friday, June 5, 2020 at 4:51:18 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Inspired by this thread, I will see if chainsaw oil applied so sparingly 
>> but not wiped off accomplishes much the same thing. Still working through 
>> me huge pint I bout a few years ago. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

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Smooth as butter, John. I think he'll really like the set-up. The range of 
the Silver shifter allows for non-fiddly shifting. The first round of 
Silver Shifters seemed to be fussy, needing just a bit of range per gear, 
making it tricky to shift on a jouncy trail. Not so with two. The derailure 
was easy to install and set up, using the video on Box's site dialed it 
almost perfectly (I found a bit of extra tension in the wee cog makes for 
perfect alignment for shifting all nine gears beautifully). Minimal chain 
bounce and snug chain with the clutch system works well too.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 2:36:53 PM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:
>
> Hello DP,
>
> How's the Box drive train working out for you? I'm considering the Box 3 
> prime 9 11-46 cassette and Box 3 prime 9 chain for my Salsa Casseroll which 
> my teenage son has been riding. He's not interested in a front derailleur 
> so a wider range 9 would be good for him. He likes the Silver down tube 
> shifter and usually doesn't have an issue with the friction shifting.
>
> JohnS (who's now riding a Crust Lightning Bolt canti rando bike)
>
>
> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> One word review from first full ride on all surfaces: Solid.
>>
>> More word review: Each gear feels closer to the solidity of fixed gear or 
>> single speed, I presume because of the combo of 9 speed chain and steel 
>> cogs. Interestingly, this gives a wider range of comfort for each gear. 
>> With the 11 speed I always felt like if I pushed it in a gear the gear 
>> would skip/bend/break. I'm delighted so far.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank you, Jim, first and foremost for this group and the love you pour 
into in, and thus us, through the years. I will strive to abide by these 
strictures, with the caveat that I may forget to erase the bits of my 
signature when I start a thread by email, and understand if those posts are 
deleted. I'd like to propose one addition, but first describe what I have 
loved in the past about this group and miss now.

- We are a diverse bunch and I greatly value that. Rivendell as a company 
attracts folks who approach many aspects of life differently from the main 
stream, yet we are far from homogenous. I miss the off topic wanderings and 
have learned a great deal from them.

- Off topic wanderings used to be a rare example of civil discourse. I miss 
that, and believe the world misses that. We needn't agree to share the 
journey, and I personally benefit greatly from sharing the journey with 
folks who civilly disagree yet value each others human dignity in their 
discourse.

Thus, in line with your questions "does this group matter?" and "is it 
needed?," I propose a monthly or quarterly "Calm Colloquy for Summer 2020" 
that allows for self moderated civil discourse on any and all topics with 
the singular rule to strive to uphold all peoples' human dignity.

Such a thread would act as a pressure valve, a shining, though sometimes 
muddy, example of what civil discourse is. It would not be a thread to vent 
anger, but instead an invitation to process reactions into mindful thought 
and humbly ask questions and express viewpoints in ... calm colloquy. It 
would give a place folks could point to when off topic opinions sneak into 
other threads as a more appropriate place to express them and humbly listen 
and learn what others think.

The first post in each "Calm Colloquy" thread would contain the following:

"This thread is for calm, reasoned discussion of any and all topics with 
the single rule of each person striving to uphold the dignity of every 
other person to have a civil discourse of divergent thought, opinion, and 
viewpoint. It is self-moderated, meaning there is no moderator and we are 
each moderators. Please do not vent raw thoughts or reactions here, but 
take time to calmly express your own viewpoint while simultaneously seeking 
to understand other's perspectives even and especially when they differ 
from your own."

Such a thread is easily ignored by those who do not wish to participate, 
either by skipping it on the we interface, or by creating an email rule 
filter for topics containing "calm colloquy."

One of the gifts of riding a bicycle is it gives time for processing events 
of the day and thinking through how I should respond. This is, I believe, 
an inherent aspect of human powered motion. It is a loss to not be able to 
discuss this with a diverse group of people who share this activity.

I am happy to start such a thread, but only with your permission, Jim. This 
would be an experiment to try for a month and discontinue if it fails.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sweet ride, Roberta! I know how much more my daughters love riding their 
lighter Clementines compared with their previous, much heavier kid's bikes 
or 90s Trek rebuilds. As an ogre who carries my bikepacking rig weighing up 
to 100 pounds as needed, I don't innately appreciate that need and easily 
forget it, until I am helping them get over rocks and roots on steep, 
technical bits I just consider normal. Grin.
>
>
Like you, Roberta, I enjoy freely wandering topics, learning much from 
them. My 2.8" beefy tires on my GBW are the perfect case study for going 
tubeless, yet I do not. Why? I've yet to experience the need. Cross 
reference "big, dumb ogre." Grin. For me, the weight isn't a big deal. I 
get plenty of tire suppleness with a tube with the carefully chosen suppler 
tires I ride, and I still don't grasp how a field flat is addressed without 
mess and frustration. Arguably, the one flat I've gotten on "Beorn" was due 
to inner moving rub as it occured on the inside of the tube after months of 
riding. Still, for me, tubeless is a solution looking for a problem. Grin. 
I am delighted it is working for so many!

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

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I love my Wavy Bar better than Jones on my GBW, but want it higher/closer, like 
the Jones is, so wondering what inexpensive, quality stem options there are for 
short (5cm or less) and/or with rise.

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[RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

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Is there such a beastie? Needs to fit Clementine wheelbase. My wife and 
daughters would ride much more if they didn't have to ride to where it is kid 
friendly to ride.

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

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I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated camera 
and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay of 20 
seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I ended up 
finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means heartier (I'll 
test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what I want so I don't 
pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is 
long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 with lens for a step uyp from a 
point and shoot or adventure camera. I have it coming, along with a better 
tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.

Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are doing/using. I 
love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the qualities and settings of 
a higher end camera. It seems there are the point and shoots (not many as 
mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which are a step up but still 
feature shy without spending a fortune, and then the higher end cameras 
(recommendations for ones that are weather proof and heartier?).

What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, use 
it, etc?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Precisely my assessment as well, Ted. Goatheads are the dividing line I 
see. Yet, clearly, there is another dividing line that Roberta and 
Riv-sisters are pointing out as well, and I'm delighted it is working for 
them.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>
> Hey Deacon,
>
> Though you are certainly big, and you may be an Ogre, I think we both know 
> you're not dumb.
> I think sometimes the move to tubeless gets conflated with the move to big 
> supple low pressure tires, because some people do both at the same time. As 
> you are already riding big supple low pressure tires, and are not bothered 
> by flats, I'd argue you're clearly the opposite of a perfect case study for 
> going tubeless. As you say you have no problem to fix. People who are 
> familiar with goat heads however, often feel they do have a problem, and 
> for them (and others bothered by flats resulting from similar irritants) 
> tubeless may be an answer. Different circumstances / environments often 
> warrant different equipment choices.
>
> regards
> Ted
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:42:21 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Sweet ride, Roberta! I know how much more my daughters love riding their 
>> lighter Clementines compared with their previous, much heavier kid's bikes 
>> or 90s Trek rebuilds. As an ogre who carries my bikepacking rig weighing up 
>> to 100 pounds as needed, I don't innately appreciate that need and easily 
>> forget it, until I am helping them get over rocks and roots on steep, 
>> technical bits I just consider normal. Grin.
>>>
>>>
>> Like you, Roberta, I enjoy freely wandering topics, learning much from 
>> them. My 2.8" beefy tires on my GBW are the perfect case study for going 
>> tubeless, yet I do not. Why? I've yet to experience the need. Cross 
>> reference "big, dumb ogre." Grin. For me, the weight isn't a big deal. I 
>> get plenty of tire suppleness with a tube with the carefully chosen suppler 
>> tires I ride, and I still don't grasp how a field flat is addressed without 
>> mess and frustration. Arguably, the one flat I've gotten on "Beorn" was due 
>> to inner moving rub as it occured on the inside of the tube after months of 
>> riding. Still, for me, tubeless is a solution looking for a problem. Grin. 
>> I am delighted it is working for so many!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

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Thanks, all! The trailer idea may be the winner to consider, especially as 
they would be easily found used. The Recon Rack is intriguing too.

To paint a fuller picture: we've had a rear mount rack (not trailer hitch) 
for 3 bikes, and we have a 2 bike roof rack, but I'm the only one who can 
load it, and that can be iffy with my vertigo. Even an extended Dodge 
Caravan fills rapidly to capacity with 5 people and their stuff, so no room 
inside for the bigger bikes. That worked until this spring's shift up in 
size, and even then some ingrates found it uncomfortable to have pedals and 
handlebars in neck and ribs. Grin.

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[RBW] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

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Watching. You've hit the very reason I've not gotten them: fear that my 
jouncy rides are too much for something not screwed or strapped on, other 
than me engine, which just sits like a freeloadin' slug on the bike. Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Understood, Jim. Thank you. Soothing balm makes a lot of sense. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 8:09:05 PM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Thank you Deacon.
>
> Given the tension and tone of the world right now, I'd rather not try that 
> experiment for a little bit. 
>
> I'm not necessarily saying it's off the table, but I'd prefer to table 
> that at the moment. 
>
> - Jim
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:22:08 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Jim, first and foremost for this group and the love you pour 
>> into in, and thus us, through the years. I will strive to abide by these 
>> strictures, with the caveat that I may forget to erase the bits of my 
>> signature when I start a thread by email, and understand if those posts are 
>> deleted. I'd like to propose one addition, but first describe what I have 
>> loved in the past about this group and miss now.
>>
>> - We are a diverse bunch and I greatly value that. Rivendell as a company 
>> attracts folks who approach many aspects of life differently from the main 
>> stream, yet we are far from homogenous. I miss the off topic wanderings and 
>> have learned a great deal from them.
>>
>> - Off topic wanderings used to be a rare example of civil discourse. I 
>> miss that, and believe the world misses that. We needn't agree to share the 
>> journey, and I personally benefit greatly from sharing the journey with 
>> folks who civilly disagree yet value each others human dignity in their 
>> discourse.
>>
>> Thus, in line with your questions "does this group matter?" and "is it 
>> needed?," I propose a monthly or quarterly "Calm Colloquy for Summer 2020" 
>> that allows for self moderated civil discourse on any and all topics with 
>> the singular rule to strive to uphold all peoples' human dignity.
>>
>> Such a thread would act as a pressure valve, a shining, though sometimes 
>> muddy, example of what civil discourse is. It would not be a thread to vent 
>> anger, but instead an invitation to process reactions into mindful thought 
>> and humbly ask questions and express viewpoints in ... calm colloquy. It 
>> would give a place folks could point to when off topic opinions sneak into 
>> other threads as a more appropriate place to express them and humbly listen 
>> and learn what others think.
>>
>> The first post in each "Calm Colloquy" thread would contain the following:
>>
>> "This thread is for calm, reasoned discussion of any and all topics with 
>> the single rule of each person striving to uphold the dignity of every 
>> other person to have a civil discourse of divergent thought, opinion, and 
>> viewpoint. It is self-moderated, meaning there is no moderator and we are 
>> each moderators. Please do not vent raw thoughts or reactions here, but 
>> take time to calmly express your own viewpoint while simultaneously seeking 
>> to understand other's perspectives even and especially when they differ 
>> from your own."
>>
>> Such a thread is easily ignored by those who do not wish to participate, 
>> either by skipping it on the we interface, or by creating an email rule 
>> filter for topics containing "calm colloquy."
>>
>> One of the gifts of riding a bicycle is it gives time for processing 
>> events of the day and thinking through how I should respond. This is, I 
>> believe, an inherent aspect of human powered motion. It is a loss to not be 
>> able to discuss this with a diverse group of people who share this activity.
>>
>> I am happy to start such a thread, but only with your permission, Jim. 
>> This would be an experiment to try for a month and discontinue if it fails.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Garth, for the win! I'd forgotten to check Velo Orange. 7cm reach Cigne, on 
the way. I've already shifted back to the wavy bars, and their shallower 
angle feels much better. Lighter too. Thank you, Garth!

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 3:00:28 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>
> This can raise your existing stem and it's inexpensive... and of all the 
> threadless risers this one actually looks alright . You'll still need to 
> use some spacers at full height of course. All this while still offering 
> some vertical adjustemnt.
>  
>  
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/27306-soma-stem-high-rider-threadless-stem-riser-2609?category=983
>  .
>
> With that alone you may or may be able to keep your existing stem, 
>
>
> Also, Velo Orange has their Cigne arc style stem , 70mm is in stock. All 
> of Crusts are out of stock. 
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/cigne-stem?variant=51377292743
>
>
>
>  
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: In Praise of Road Bikes with Road Tires

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I am constantly amazed how my QB with RH Stellacomb knobbies is nearly as 
plush a ride as my Hunqapillar (with liteskin Schwalbe 2.1" Racing Ralphs) 
and GBW with 2.8" Nobby Niks. Fork flex is a huge part of this. Viewing the 
Hunqapillar as parallel to your Bomba, I don't like any tires but the 
liteskin on it ... not a supple ride.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 5:10:41 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>  
>  I've been riding my Franklin Reynolds 531ST custom from from '99 a whole 
> lot lately. man I like that bike. I had the 62 c-c frame made with a 
> 62cm TT and 46cm chainstays. I originally used the Dirt Drop bars from 
> Nitto but now use an Albatross 56cm steel. 36/46 Origin8 crank and Sachs 
> 7sp. 13-32 freewheel. 
>
>  speaking of big tires and all ... well riddle me this Batman how this 
> bike literally just floats over patch paved and cruddy washed out gravel 
> roads with not so fancy 33mm Forte Metro ST tires that were about $15  
> and my Bombadil regardless of the tires I've used even at very low pressure 
> is jarring as heck ? Exact same wheels builds on both. It's also easier for 
> me to maintain my line and speed with the road bike up steep washed out 
> backwoods gravel roads also, corrections are wholly intuitive and 
> effortless. Watching the fork flex like crazy over bumpy roads is also fun 
> ! 
>
> I could only "guess" it has a whole lot to do with the tubing and it's 
> design I suppose. Regardless, it's great and even though I've not yet 
> received my Suzie it has me rethinking the whole thing. I "hope" the Susie 
> is a whole lot more vertically resilient than the Bomba. But those Hilly 
> frames are a once in a lifetime "try" for me though. If not, I'll have 
> another road kinda bike made. Does Reynolds even make 531 anymore ? 
>
> Also, a wider tire is just wider, not necessarily better or worse. I love 
> narrow tires as I grew up riding them so it's quite intuitive for me. I 
> rode many a pairs of Specialized Touring Turbo 27x 1/8 or 1/4. Those are 
> what I knew as "road tires" even before I got into road racing tires which 
> were even narrower. There is such a distinct feel, a precision that gets 
> lost in wider tires from all the bikes I've ridden. I've tried some wider 
> tires on my road bike and it just felt odd. It seems pretty obvious to me 
> that a frame that is quite compliant doesn't need overly wide tires to ride 
> "soft" and cushy.
>
> Then there's the simplicity of double crank and the ease of which to throw 
> on various parts. I also had cantilevers put on the frame and use Suntour 
> XC Pro's, and they are outstanding, I've never had such a effective brake. 
> It's also darn light to me, even with the heavy duty Phil/Mavic wheels that 
> are on it. 
>
> Hooray for road-tire bikes !  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

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Great info, lads and lassies! Thank you!

I'm delighted to hear fans for the mirrorless system. Today's ride in 3" of 
snow, with clumps and powder blowing off the trees as I took photos, 
reminded me of the experiment this is. To get weatherproof mirrorless is 
pricy, so my choice to go with the Olympus trailing edge tech in the hope 
it works, but also with an eye on an adventure camera (yeah, that's a thing 
.. weren't all cameras adventure cameras back in the day? Sardonic grin.): 
Olympus Tough TG 6. Time will tell.

On the tripod side, I was delighted to find that Velbon still makes them, 
still in aluminum, and basically the same as I used for years but somehow 
misplaced. My GorillaPod fell apart to the point of unusable: the plethora 
of ball and socket joints just doesn't hold up to abuse well.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:49:31 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>
> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are 
> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the 
> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point 
> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which 
> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then 
> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and 
> heartier?).
>
> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
> use it, etc?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] June Snow: Callooh! Callay!

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What a wondrous gift to wake up to!

https://deaconpatrick.org/june-snow-callooh-callay

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

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Och! Leah, we have such very different definitions of "heat" and "reprieve 
from the heat." Grin. It is a delightful feeling to sustain, and even 
deepen, the joy of changes to a bike as the days and rides pass and you 
settle in with it being the bike rather than the new bike. Grin. Keep on 
enjoying all that cool weather, er, in the evenings with your light 
Clementine with a light!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 8, 2020 at 9:29:43 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I continue to be in raptures over my “new” bike. Here is my NLC in the 
> evening sun on our 13 miler tonight. It was only 79 and breezy today in Las 
> Vegas. A reprieve from the heat is always welcome in my book. 
>
> The sun caught the colors well. No filters.
> Lone Wolf Leah
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Brian Campbell  > wrote:
>
> 
> Awesome bike! Glad everything worked out and you are getting to enjoy you 
> Clem even more!
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 3:36:43 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Strange Magic
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[RBW] Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

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These are on the list to do in the near future. However, if I have to get into 
metal drilling or cutting, I'm going to need to make arrangements for someone 
to help/do the install.

What non-standard issues will I run into installing these:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/rene-herse-smooth-fenders-700c-for-48-52-mm-tires-h80-700c/
on a 66cm silver (final run) QB?

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

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Thank you, Jason and Joe. So, above my pay grade. I'll make other 
arrangements.

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[RBW] Re: The Sound of Silence - Just Ride Quietly

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All my bikes are as silent as I can make them. My QB with Steilacoms is 
fixed and as close to silent as a supple knobby tire can get, quieter on 
dirt/gravel and trail than the slick Rene Herse tires. My GBW 2.8" tires 
are noticeably louder below 50˚F as the rubber hardens, otherwise 
surprisingly quiet-ish for huge knobbies. In general, I've learned that a 
quiet bike is a happy bike.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 1:12:58 PM UTC-6, Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
wrote:
>
> Might be a first for this topic. I was out on my All Rounder this weekend, 
> a local rail trail that has sections of pavement here and there. My current 
> set up is one speed, using a Paul Melvin matched up to an eight speed 
> cogset on an XT cassette hub out back - one of the middle cogs, (not sure 
> which) and a single TA zephyr ring up front - a 36 I think. Anyway, one of 
> the best things about biking for me, and a goal of mine in general, is to 
> ride as quietly as possible. Similar to sculling on flat water, which I 
> have done my share of, the feeling of self propulsion in total silence 
> intrigues and pleases me. 
>
> On gravel, the Rivendell makes very little sound while pedaling or not, 
> just a light crackle/hiss from the tires. (700c Big Ben's in this case) But 
> on pavement, damn if all sound doesn't evaporate entirely! I love that! 
> Granted, at 64  - and having played drums for many years in my youth - my 
> hearing is diminished somewhat to begin with. Regardless, my mission to 
> ride silently appears to be achieved. Having said that, there may be room 
> to improve. I suppose a fixed gear hub would eliminate any chance of pawl 
> noise, and smooth tires may take it down a notch too. I have a White ENO 
> flipflop hub laced to a rim that would work, so that may be my next 
> experiment. 
>
> Any other ideas for silent running are welcome. 
>
> Marty
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Commuter Tire for Hunq

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Dave,

I presume you mean 29 (700) x 2? Have you liked your Big Bens?

You may want to be more specific in what is important to you (smooth, 
supple, or no flats ever as the two extreme examples). Folks here commute 
on Rene Hearse ELs, or the beefiest Schwalbe there is. Here is the dizzying 
array of Schalbe touring tires: 
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires

Of course, with Rene Herse's Endurence + tires, you can have better flat 
protection in a still quite supple tire.

Personally, I go with the most supple tire I can without needing to change 
more than 4 flats a year. So far that generally means 2 flats or less a 
year and the most supple tires. Now that I've written this and am 
aproaching needing to change out my rear tire I've doomed myself to a flat 
here soon. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 8:06:52 PM UTC-6, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I want to replace the 28x2 Big Ben's on my Hunq.  I use it primarily for 
> errands and commuting right now.  I was debating getting a set of Marathon 
> Supremes.  As I haven't purchased "commuter" tires in a while, I'm 
> wondering if there is something better out there.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Commuter Tire for Hunq

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Sounds like Big Bens for the win!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:23:05 PM UTC-6, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
> I believe a 29er or 700c is known as a 28 in Europe.  As such, Schwalbe 
> designates their "29er" tires as "28"..
>
> I have liked them a lot actually.  I have used quite a few Schwalbe tires 
> over the years, including Marathon, Marathon Plus, Marathon Supreme, Big 
> Apple, Fat Frank, Kojack, Sammy Slicks, Thunder Burts, Big Ones.the 
> list goes on.  The Big Ben was up there with usual Schwalbe characteristics 
> of long lasting, great puncture protection, good grip, etc.  They aren't 
> the lightest tires, but this isn't a race bike either.
>
> I haven't purchased new tires in a few years so I am totally out of the 
> loop as to what is new.  I know the Rene Herse/Compass are all the rage but 
> I can't spend that much on tires.  
>
> As for my preferences, I most want a combination of decent weight, 
> puncture protection, and low rolling resistance.  
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Question for Deacon Patrick

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Paul and Phil. The Paul needed the bearings replaced after a year, so I put 
in Phil bearings. Grin. Doing it again, I'd go Phil. Surly is attractive 
for the price, but the price of having to redo a wheel dissuaded me from 
testing it out for my riding.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 9:20:24 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Sorry for broadcasting this, but I don't have Patrick's email address.
>
> Patrick: What fixed gear hubs have you had most success with offroad? I'd 
> like to replace the Surly 130 mm OL hub with some 120 OL hub, but I've not 
> bought a fixed hub except for 2 ENOs since 2006. 
>
> The newer model of the Surly (with the replacement axle) seems 
> bulletproof, but I daresay yours might be even more bullet proof.
>
> SIlver, 120 mm, 32 hole, hollow axle for QR or allen bolts. Fixed/fixed 
> preferred but fixed/free or even fixed/nothing acceptable.
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] Re: Leather saddle recommendation for upright Sam H?

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Billy Crystal: "It's better to lk god than to fl gd. And 
let me tell you, darling ... you look maaahvelous! Absoltly 
mahvelous!" So, you got that going for you. Grin.

If you get desperate enough to try something beyond the Brompton wide, here 
is a whacky idear: harden your rear. Sit on wood chairs, no cushion. Kneel 
on a kneeler. Sit cross legged on a hard floor. Etc. Simultaneously, get 
the Berthoud and ride it. No short cuts to break it in, but in the long run 
you'll be far happier, because you are right, a leather saddle just rides 
... better.

With abandon,
Patrick, who actually eschews cushioned seating, uses a kneeling desk and 
sits on wood floors and flatform chairs, and rides a Berthoud on his GBW.

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 10:36:30 AM UTC-6, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone!
>
> I'm rebuilding an older double top-tube Sam Hillborne from the frame up, 
> and I'm struggling to find a comfortable leather saddle for an upright 
> ride. I don't mean "kinda upright", I mean straight back like a dutch bike 
> for errands and trips around time — achieving this with a Bosco bar and 
> super long Nitto tectonic stem pushed all the way up.
>
> I'm 175 lbs, 5'11" and have 115mm sitbones and normally ride a Fizik 
> Aliante or B17 Narrow on my more aggressive bikes... but putting either of 
> those saddles on the upright doesn't work. My sitbones fall off, and I'm 
> riding on "soft tissue". Ouch. 
>
> Other saddles that have not worked:
>
>- B17/Flyer: Too narrow. Sit bones fall off the edge, and upturned 
>nose pokes in a bad place.
>- B68: Too wide, chafes a bit, and slippery. 
>- Berthoud Mente: Hard as a rock, and possibly a little too wide (hard 
>to tell as it is so hard).
>- Brooks Cambium C19: Sit area curves down so much on the sides it's 
>really no wider than a C15 — or B17.
>- Rivet Loveland: Ditto.
>
> What sort of of works:
>
>- 170mm wide Brompton "Wide version" foam saddle I pilfered from my 
>wife's folding bike. Feels pretty good. But really, really dumb looking on 
>the Sam. I strongly prefer a leather saddle as the bike is turning out 
>quite lovely, and looks do count!
>
> Any suggestions? 
>
> PS: If someone has a tried and true way to break in the Berthoud, I might 
> do it. The issue is I'll never ride a century on this bike, and I'm afraid 
> that breaking the Mente in the normal way will take a year or more.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Paul
>
>
>

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[RBW] New Camera Day

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Almost as much fun as new bike day!
https://deaconpatrick.org/new-camera-day

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Re: [RBW] Cameras for Biking

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Aye, Eric, friction between riding and photo is a thing. For me the 
equation is complicated by the technical trails I ride, necessitating a 
mirrorless camera be in a protective case inside my bike bag. But, because 
of a number of factors, the form fitting leather case I got is not usable 
with the tripod I use (detachable plate conflicts with the case), so I have 
to remove the camera in case from the bike bag, then the camera from the 
leather case to take shots. Haven't found anything on the market that 
addresses these issues, short of a direct mount tripod, but I've not seen 
or looked hard for one equal to the Velbon EX-Macro. 
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1007229-REG/velbon_ex_macro_ex_macro_aluminum_tabletop_tripod.html?sts=pi&pim=Y

The good news, for me, is when I want to take pictures, I'm remote, and 
it's relaxed, so the extra friction is just part of using more purposeful 
gear.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 12:06:36 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Amen! There’s a design concept called “friction” that seeks to make things 
> as easy as possible (for instance, “Buy It Now” buttons on web sites). For 
> me, this is directly applicable to photography while riding: If I have to 
> do more than about three things to get to the point where I can take a 
> picture, it’s too complicated and I find that I don’t even try. 
>
> Basically, I like a camera that I can 1) reach into the bag and grab, 2) 
> turn on/activate, and 3) put to my eye and shoot. Steps 1 and 2 should be 
> possible without looking at the camera. Depending on the circumstances, I 
> may just “aim” and shoot without using the viewfinder.
>
> This is why I don’t like using my phone (other than the risk of dropping 
> it). Getting the darn thing unlocked and then loading the camera app *or* 
> pressing on the screen in the right place to start the camera is just too 
> complicated and requires too much attention.
>
> This is also why I’m trending toward auto-focus, auto-exposure 
> point-and-shoot film cameras. I love rangefinders and have a bunch of them, 
> but unless I set the focus and hope for the best, they’re not useful to me 
> for bicycle shooting … unless I’m willing to stop, focus, meter (for 
> cameras like Rob K’s Leica iii), compose, and shoot.
>
> These days, I likes cameras like the Olympus XA-4, which allows me to zone 
> focus and just point (wide angle lens makes it easier to aim). I also have 
> a few 1980s-ish point and shoot cameras like the Yashica T3 and Minoltal 
> HiMatic AF2 that are easy to use and do everything but push their own 
> shutter button. Most of these cameras even load and advance the film 
> automatically. I find I take more pictures when I carry these cameras.
>
> This is based on almost 40 years of cycling photography. I started 
> shooting pictures of rides in the early 80s, using disposable film cameras 
> that by coincidence met the ease of use characteristics that I became aware 
> of years later. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jun 9, 2020, at 4:04 AM, Augi > wrote:
>
> I think the most important part of carrying a camera is how easy it is to 
> get to.  I drop it into my stem/bar bag so I can pull it out at anytime.
>
> https://www.outershelladventure.com/shop/7826r9hyzpjknnobe479ebu35yse8v
>
> When I used to pack my camera in a real bag, I noticed I got too lazy to 
> get it out and in a jersey pocket doesn't work for me.  I get too sweaty.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 3:49:31 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>
>> How do you haul it, use it, etc?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Touring the Highland Cathedral's flowers with the Little Flower of Lisieux

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Who better than Saint Theresa the Little Flower of Lisieux and her “little way” 
from “The Story of a Soul” to accompany us through the meadows of the Highland 
Cathedral?

https://deaconpatrick.org/touring-the-highland-cathedrals-flowers-with-the-little-flower-of-lisieux

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[RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

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Hours of patience or dumb luck, neither of which guarantee results other 
than photos that look like proof of bigfoot, which is to say and 
indiscernable blob. That is why I prefer to hunt flowers and trees and snow 
and rain and landscapes. I'm fat and lazy. Grin. I see bald and goalden 
eagles, perigrin, osprey, bats, owles, herons, cranes, song birds of too 
many varieties to fathom, hummingbirds, and many others, and almost never 
try to photograph them.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:55:37 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> 2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly 
> appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

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Velo Orange's Cigne stem arrived and today was my first ride with it. 
Wonderful! Grant designed GBW with Bosco bars in mind, and that is what my 
prototype arrived with. To ride single track this upright on good, solid 
geometry is transformative. I'll post more on this, as this deserves its 
own thread, but just wanted to follow up here. Thanks again for the tip, 
Garth!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

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A bit over a year ago, I received my Gus Boots Willsen prototype. Grant 
designed GBW with Bosco bars in mind: upright riding with high, close bars. 
Riding single track this upright on good, solid geometry is transformative, and 
I loved this aspect of the Bosco bars it came with; I just switched to Wavy and 
then Jones bars because jouncy, technical descents with parallel 
handlebars/brakes is low on the fun scale.

Now, thanks to Velo Orange's Cigne stem (swan is so much more elegant than the 
usual name, so thank you, VO for that! LInk: 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/stems/products/cigne-stem), I have achieved 
the upright riding position intended for this bike and wow is it elegant. 
Everything is in the sweetspot. Climbing has the front wheel less weighted and 
with the long wheelbase, I can sit up and not flip over backwards, but either 
spin/cruise up the hills, or shift up and torque the pedals with some handlebar 
leverage (which is much easier done while sitting than with a lower/forwarder 
bar). Long, swoopy, descents that wend their way around knolls and down gullies 
and through meadows and aspen groves on butter smooth trails are flowing poetic 
elegance and deceptively fast because slow is smooth and smooth is fast. Grin. 
Those jouncy, technical descents smooth out too, and the bike is free to do its 
Mongolian thing just by sitting up a bit off the saddle and letting it ride to 
the flow of bending elbows and knees.

So, to all the new builds of GBWs and Suzies, aim high and close with your 
bars. Riding with Boscos, even if they aren't your end bar, is a great way to 
get a feel for what this bike is. And if you ride technical single track and 
want a more perpendicular bar, the wavy bar and Cigne stem are an excellent 
combo for achieving Bosco feel with wavy confidence on descents. Note, you'll 
need the shims to make is happy.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Snowy egret? [Just pics from your good ride]

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

To add more specifics to answer your question:

- a 100-200 mm telephoto lens (minimum) and tripod go a long way to making 
fruitful a wait in a well chosen hide. These are, of course, unwieldy and 
impractical for impromptu shots on a bike. Grin.

- Short the above, an inexpensive point and shoot camera with image 
stabalization and decent telephoto (Canon Elph 180 or 190) are a quickdraw 
solution with a reasonable chance of success if kept in a handlebar "feed" 
style bag.

Those are the only two practical suggestions I have. In general, a mobile 
phone won't cut it for any but the lucky (or unlucky, if you get too close 
to the bear/moose/elk/couger/badger...) encounter with wildlife that pose. 
And, sometimes, they do.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 6:57:55 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Hours of patience or dumb luck, neither of which guarantee results other 
> than photos that look like proof of bigfoot, which is to say and 
> indiscernable blob. That is why I prefer to hunt flowers and trees and snow 
> and rain and landscapes. I'm fat and lazy. Grin. I see bald and goalden 
> eagles, perigrin, osprey, bats, owles, herons, cranes, song birds of too 
> many varieties to fathom, hummingbirds, and many others, and almost never 
> try to photograph them.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 2:55:37 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2. You photo experts: how does one catch snapshots of such suddenly 
>> appearing subjects without falling over? Instruments, techniques? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

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Thanks, Aaron. You can see the cages with the big water bottles (3) 64oz, 
(1) 28 oz. in these two posts.

https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder
and
https://deaconpatrick.org/two-midsummer-nights-dream-bikepacking-pikes-peak

With abandon,
Patrick


On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-6, A. Douglas M. wrote:
>
> I love it, Deacon. Looks very comfortable. 
>
> Also love 4 bottle cages! 
>
> Thanks for posting. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Too narrow, too far forward, too low for me. You'd lose the sweet spot of 
upright riding.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 5:56:57 AM UTC-6, Jesse wrote:
>
> Hey DP. I agree with you about parallel-ish bars being not-great on 
> technical descents. I mean, with the exception of dirt drops, but that's a 
> whole other can of worms.
>
> For those that prefer a swept back bar, but still require a 
> confidence-inspiring descending position, what about running Boscos with 
> inline levers in the front? Too narrow up there to be useful for 
> descending, you think? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse Tires with tubes

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I run tubes in mine.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 7:37:46 AM UTC-6, Brady Smith wrote:
>
> I’ve been Herse-curious for a while, but have always decided against them 
> due to concerns about durability, especially since I don’t have 
> tubeless-compatible rims. But I also recently read that Jan Heine actually 
> runs his tubed, and I’ve encountered other people doing the same. Since 
> there are lots of Herse-users here, I thought I’d ask about your 
> experiences. Tubed or tubeless? How often do you flat? I’m thinking about a 
> set of Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass tires for my BMC Monster Cross. These 
> would be summer fun tires for suburban and country roads. When it’s back to 
> commuting season (whenever that happens...) I’d put my Pasela Protites back 
> on. Thoughts? Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

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Hey Paul. Aye, at least my prototype has a threadless headset, which I 
think remains true of the production frame. My saddle is a Berthoud. I live 
on Pikes Peak.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 8:22:42 AM UTC-6, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Patrick,
>
> Bike and photos looks amazing. 
>
> Gus has a Threadless headset? What hard piece of wood saddle do you have 
> on there?
>
> And where are you anyway? Looks beautiful.
>
> Paul
>

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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

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Jason, if "these kinds of issues" aren't political, but are just about 
being a decent human being, are you saying there is one, singular way to be 
a decent human being and zero room for disagreement about how we go about 
upholding human dignity, be it protesting, rioting, looting, burning, 
voting, praying, learning, reasoning, competing, purchasing, building ... 
et al?

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Social justice from a real working class perspective

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What does my signature, with abandon, tell you?

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 9:05:45 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> I would never claim there's a singular correct view on how to fix the 
> problem, but I will certainly maintain there's only one correct answer to 
> whether there is a problem that needs fixing. A common theme in my world 
> view is that diversity is a positive thing, and that goes for opinions too. 
> However, a lot of so-called opinions are simply incorrect understandings of 
> reality, when ignorance stands in the way of learning. 
>
> I bet we have extremely different views in general (I know this, from your 
> signature) but I take no issue with that at all, in fact I appreciate it, 
> as long as those views aren't causing unnecessary pain or suffering. That's 
> when I would have to disagree. 
>
> In the case of police brutality, the opinion that matters to me is of 
> those affected by it; many of us aren't (myself included) and therefore I 
> don't consider myself to have any say in the matter, except to echo and 
> amplify the experiences and opinions of those who do. 
>
>
> On Monday, 15 June 2020 19:52:12 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Jason, if "these kinds of issues" aren't political, but are just about 
>> being a decent human being, are you saying there is one, singular way to be 
>> a decent human being and zero room for disagreement about how we go about 
>> upholding human dignity, be it protesting, rioting, looting, burning, 
>> voting, praying, learning, reasoning, competing, purchasing, building ... 
>> et al?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>

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[RBW] Day Ride Kit

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What is your day ride kit, why, and for what type of riding?

- coffee in thermos and insulated (soon to be a wood quaich/ kuksa)
- pipe and tobacco kit
- ventile cotton analogy rain jacket from Hilltrek
- fishnet long john shirt (turns my sun shirt into a medium weight insulated 
shirt, but I have to put it next to the skin. Weighs near nothing and takes 
minimal space. It and my rain jacket would be sufficient for 95% of days, but 
the weather folks don't get the five % right very often, so I haul wool...)
- (often) boiled wool 3-season weight sweater (extra layers cause it snows 
anytime, and thunderstorms can drop temps into the 40's, dump hail for an hour 
or more, and then keep on raining steady if they settle in)
- Sitting tarp
- Bike kit (pump, tube, patch, allen tool, et al)
- Buck 110 knife
- Digital typewriter (Freewrite: think Kindle e-reader on an quality mechanical 
keyboard)
- Camera, tripod, etc.
- Irish straps and shopsack for shopping pick up days.
- Fire tinder kit (the only time you need a fire is when it's too wet to start 
one. Grin.)
- compass
- rosary
-pen knife
- water pen light purifier
- no food. I prefer to ride fasted

Why so much? Because I want to ride however long I ride, regardless of weather. 
With a brain that can get overloaded by overstimulation, I go prepared to 
emergency overnight if required). I haven't weighed the set up, but it's likely 
2/3rds of the way to my overnight/weeklong/forever set up weight. Add tent, 
bag, pad, food, more water bottles, and I'm good for forever. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

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Amazing how those MUPS can have a secluded feel to them!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 8:47:57 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Rode into work today to check on something, 42 km round trip for 15 
> minutes in the office - worth it!!! I live in the city and work in a fairly 
> busy industrial suburb of town, but amazingly, I am able to string together 
> a series of quite bucolic green spaces that make it look like I live in the 
> countryside :) 
>

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[RBW] Day Ride Kit

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What is your day ride kit, why, and for what type of riding?

- coffee in thermos and insulated (soon to be a wood quaich/ kuksa)
- pipe and tobacco kit
- ventile cotton analogy rain jacket from Hilltrek
- fishnet long john shirt (turns my sun shirt into a medium weight insulated 
shirt, but I have to put it next to the skin. Weighs near nothing and takes 
minimal space. It and my rain jacket would be sufficient for 95% of days, but 
the weather folks don't get the five % right very often, so I haul wool...)
- (often) boiled wool 3-season weight sweater (extra layers cause it snows 
anytime, and thunderstorms can drop temps into the 40's, dump hail for an hour 
or more, and then keep on raining steady if they settle in)
- Sitting tarp
- Bike kit (pump, tube, patch, allen tool, et al)
- Buck 110 knife
- Digital typewriter (Freewrite: think Kindle e-reader on an quality mechanical 
keyboard)
- Camera, tripod, etc.
- Irish straps and shopsack for shopping pick up days.
- Fire tinder kit (the only time you need a fire is when it's too wet to start 
one. Grin.)
- compass
- rosary
-pen knife
- water pen light purifier
- no food. I prefer to ride fasted

Why so much? Because I want to ride however long I ride, regardless of weather. 
With a brain that can get overloaded by overstimulation, I go prepared to 
emergency overnight if required). I haven't weighed the set up, but it's likely 
2/3rds of the way to my overnight/weeklong/forever set up weight. Add tent, 
bag, pad, food, more water bottles, and I'm good for forever. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Fire Season Smoke Ridin' Tips

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Who's got tips for riding in the smoke of fires, far enough away there is 
minimal particulate (so not slicing up lungs), but still significant smoke? 
Mine:

- Shift down 1-2 or more gears and breath no harder than if you were walking. 
Except when the mountain won't let you, then you have to decide.

- Nose breath exclusively.

- I've tried a mask and it only help if having to ride where the fire is close 
enough for particulates to be prevelant.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Brown v. Black

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I'm gonna need a picture of it in use before I give my opinion. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 3:00:15 PM UTC-6, Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> I'm considering swapping my existing brown Brooks saddle and grips for a 
> black set. I made a layered Photoshop file so I could review the colors on 
> the bike.
>
>
> Just curious, what you folks think.
>
>
> [image: bike_existing.jpg]
>
> [image: bike_black.jpg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Organized Rides 2020

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There's always the virtual thing. Here is one example, doing the Comino de 
Santiago pilgrimage: https://www.theconqueror.events/camino/

The full list that company offers is here: https://www.theconqueror.events/

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 1:30:07 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My RBA (SFRandonneurs) sent us an email asking what our opinions are for 
> rides moving forward, suggesting there may be arrangements.  I responded 
> indicating I'd be game to do Adventure Series 200s, as they usually have 
> very few starters (<30) and that I enjoy doing those mixed terrain events 
> solo.  Since I finish in the middle of the pack I figure I can still rescue 
> a fast rider if needed, and can be rescued by a slow rider if I need it.  I 
> hate pacelines, so I would not mind a 'social distance' brevet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 11:02:58 AM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> From what I am able to find out by surfing around on the Web, most all 
>> organized rides - call 'em Centuries, Brevets, whatever you like - have 
>> been or are being postponed until next year.  This includes some regional 
>> favorites later in the Fall such as the Hilly Hundred in Southern Indiana. 
>>  Any of you out there in various states around the country finding any that 
>> are NOT cancelled?
>>
>>

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[RBW] End-of-Spring Rides

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In which snows become rains garnished with crisp, misty mornings that warm to 
wide open, deep blue skies and the fluttering swoops of butterflies.

https://deaconpatrick.org/end-of-spring-rides

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Patrick

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

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Thanks, lads! Doug, my tires are tubed 2.8" Nobby Niks (pretty supple). I 
inflate the rear to 20 lbs and ride till it needs more.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

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Sweet spot to ride to, Jason! I love when clouds and mountains play and 
make me wonder what I should be wearing. Grin. Have you turned your wee 
beastie to any trail riding in those hills? If so, how does it do? I've 
been amazed how I can ride all terrains, with a bit more caution and LCG 
(lowest common gear, hike a bike) my Quickbeam can do with 38mm tires.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 1:40:26 PM UTC-6, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> [image: IMG_20200621_132354.jpg]
>
> Rode out to this lake (to the right) which is a ways inland from where I 
> started.  110km round trip, but only 500m elevation gain thankfully! 
> On Sunday, 21 June 2020 at 07:47:09 UTC-7 Carl wrote:
>
>> Heading up Elk Mountain outside of Asheville NC.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 11:08:07 AM UTC-4, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>>>
>>> Why do many of us feel compelled to share pics from our rides?
>>>
>>> From my perspective a good bike ride is just so enjoyable on a variety 
>>> of levels I just want to share it. 
>>>
>>> Some things that come to mind are that a good ride can be:
>>> therapeutic, de-stressing, 
>>> good exercise, renewing,
>>> peaceful, recharging of the batteries,
>>> inspiring, and restorative. 
>>> (Ok, some of these mean the same thing.)
>>>
>>> I'm sure many of you are of a similar mind and have insights and pics to 
>>> share of what a good ride does for you and you don't want to keep it to 
>>> yourself but share it.
>>>
>>> It's not like we haven't already been doing this over the years already 
>>> but I didn't have a specific thread to go to on the Riv list so I just 
>>> started this one.
>>>
>>> I built this bike frame up for a friend the last few days and decided to 
>>> go on a 10 mile shake down ride to check it over.
>>>
>>> Please share your pics and perspectives.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>
>>> [image: Image]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

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Andrew, I love my jacket! Breathable cotton ventile with a cotton analogy 
lining that pushes moisture, vapor and liquid, out via capilary action, 
same as fur on an animal does. It is by Hilltrek in Scotland. This is the 
exact one: https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/foinaven-smock/

They offer other smocks (anoraks). Double ventile (DV) is just as 
waterproof as the cotton analogy, but doesn't remove moisture as actively. 
THey also have hybrids (double at shoulders, maybe sleeves?), or single 
(good for a 20 minute light shower, lighter weight)

They aren't cheep, but they are also the last jackets I'll buy. To me, 
anything else I've tried has been a waste of money.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-6, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> I’m truly envious of the high country. Curious what jacket it is you have? 
> I’m seeking an anorak style for riding as well. 

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[RBW] Re: End-of-Spring Rides

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Oops. Here's the link to their dizzying array of smocks:

https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 3:16:31 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Andrew, I love my jacket! Breathable cotton ventile with a cotton analogy 
> lining that pushes moisture, vapor and liquid, out via capilary action, 
> same as fur on an animal does. It is by Hilltrek in Scotland. This is the 
> exact one: https://hilltrek.co.uk/clothing/smocks/foinaven-smock/
>
> They offer other smocks (anoraks). Double ventile (DV) is just as 
> waterproof as the cotton analogy, but doesn't remove moisture as actively. 
> THey also have hybrids (double at shoulders, maybe sleeves?), or single 
> (good for a 20 minute light shower, lighter weight)
>
> They aren't cheep, but they are also the last jackets I'll buy. To me, 
> anything else I've tried has been a waste of money.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 2:04:14 PM UTC-6, Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>> I’m truly envious of the high country. Curious what jacket it is you 
>> have? I’m seeking an anorak style for riding as well. 
>
>

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