[RBW] backs!!!

[Adam]

Hi all,

I'm curious to hear any comments thoughts, etc on back issues and riding.

The context is that this fall I've had some nasty lower back/hip pain. Rest 
and some stretching & PT has "solved" the issue, but I'm still having 
trouble getting back on the bike without a little stiffness in the lower 
back.

I have thought about swapping out my drops for alt bars and have an old 
bosco setup ready to go. My issue is that I've tried sweptback bars before 
and always end up back on HIGH drops. I really like my current setups and 
have ridden many long stretches on these  configurations, so I'm not 
excited to change what's taken a lot of tweaking to accomplish.

My current strategy is to raise my current bar height a bit (already above 
saddle height) and to do shortish (under 1hr) rides indoors on rollers 
being mindful of core muscles, etc. That seems to be working, but I still 
have a bit of stiffness post ride. 

I'm curious to hear anyone else's experiences. Not really looking for 
advice, but curious to hear what other folks have tried, etc.

Thanks!

Adam



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[RBW] Re: Triple Bypass

[Nick Payne]

On Friday, 3 January 2025 at 7:28:21 am UTC+11 Bill Lindsay wrote:

Seriously though, that amount of climbing in a day is a pretty serious. 
 Depending on your constitution, the altitude may pose an additional 
challenge.  10,000 feet of climbing in 110 miles can definitely be done on 
a Rivendell.


Yes, I've done numerous alpine randonnees on various Rivendell bikes 
without problem. Just pace yourself, have suitable gearing, and don't get 
sucked into the max frenzy at the start when people go haring off in 
pacelines. I used to tell people thinking of doing our local similar ride 
here in Australia for the first time - 200km (~125 miles) with about 4300m 
(a bit over 14,000 feet) of climbing - that they should fit a lower gear 
than they think they'll need. Much better to have a low gear there and 
maybe not need it than to find you need a lower gear than you have, and 
just because you can push a certain gear up a three or five mile climb when 
you're fresh doesn't mean that you can manage the same gear on the last 
climb of the day when you've already been over a couple of large climbs.

I agree on the altitude possibly being a problem. You'll be going up to 
almost 12,000'.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Triple Bypass

[ascpgh]

My bulk of high elevation riding has been in south central CO, near the Rio 
Grande adjacent town of Creede. My longtime friends' family has owned a 
cabin in a camp called Spar City 14 miles up the valley at +/- 9500'. We 
were graced to have access to it as a basecamp resource, 850 miles away, 
for many activities.

My college friend brothers and I commenced on a span of events that explain 
why rental car companies refuse business to under 25 year olds. We biked, 
hiked, fly fished, drove around in the old red CJ-2 and skied as we could 
logistically manage from 850 miles away, coordinating our work schedules to 
do stupid things with our outdoor interests. Our acclimation usually 
restricted the major dumb stuff to the later days of our stays. 

I had a digital watch I set with an alarm every 15 minutes to remind me to 
drink and eat on every other beep. Had to plan to have adequate water and 
easy to digest foods. By day three we were well able to carry on with less 
regimen and corrupted by pizza and beer as reward at the Old Miner's Inn, 
aware that our last 14 miles were uphill on the bikes. The spring of 
youth's resiliency damps with age dictating better conservation of your 
integrity. YRMV for sure. Having a good uh-oh bag for real contingencies 
(diamox) is smart as is at least one partner for travels.

Highly recommend biking out there with cautions of an adult mind. The 
elevation changes will mesmerize you with the differences in biomes you 
pass through and the views from your summits. Be on your schedule, not an 
imprinted program. One thing I found on dirt roads and paths in that region 
is that they were long established, likely followed by animal drawn wagons 
or one up riders and followed lines to be the least challenging to the 
animals as possible. Many paved roads do the same but there's traffic in 
those two lanes and adjacent manicured right of way detracting from the 
enjoyment the trails offer. I did a lot of riding on a 1986 RockHopper with 
no suspension and 1.95" tires with sidewalls so stiff that they supported 
me at 20lbs PSI sitting. Your bike is more than fine.

The climate changes dramatically through elevation, angle of sun/time of 
day, shade to sunlight. Walking in the morning sun can make you feel 
sunburn coming on one side, frostbite on the shady side.  I have a photo of 
a 12" wall of snow along a remote dirt road between Lake San Cristobal, CO 
and Ouray, CO taken on the fourth of July. 

The amount of planning and preparation you do for a pre-manufactured trip 
on a bike can also produce one for you, by you as well. The grown up (and 
vocational) perspective will assure that. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 1:18:06 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I am not saying I am committing to this. But here I sit in my dreamy 
> Michigan living room, watching my woods with my cardinals and blue jays at 
> their feeders in a perfect snow globe scene. This is no time for biking. 
> This is time for bike adventure planning.
>
> And I have seen this name Triple Bypass come up more than once. At over 
> 10,000 feet of climbing in 110 miles in Colorado, it sounds rather 
> miserable. But it also sounds like a bucket list thing. Who has done it? 
> What is it like? Is it suffering, start to finish? Can a Riv reasonably do 
> it? I love an adventure and I love good scenery, but maybe there are better 
> experiences closer to home. 
>
> I figured I’d ask, in case anyone has done it on a Rivendell and would 
> like to chat. And anyway, what else do you have to do? It’s JANUARY.
> Leah 
>

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Tosco Bars 60mm

[Ben R]

Looking for a pair of Nitto Tosco bars 60mm with the 25.4 clamp size.
located in the Bay Area and also willing to pay shipping.
if any one is holding or has a pair in their parts bin and wants to get rid 
of them please let me know! thank you


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[RBW] Re: backs!!!

[Nick Payne]

My old yoga teacher, Pamela Brown (a good teacher, she was a direct student 
of Iyengar), took up yoga initially because of bad back problems. She 
eventually wrote a book titled "Your back, yoga and you". I have a copy in 
my bookshelf, but I suspect that it's probably no longer in print: 
https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Your_Back_Yoga_and_You.html.

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: FS New Nitto faceplater quill stem

[NYCbikeguy]

Sold
apologies for the delayed update

Best,
IY

On Thursday, November 14, 2024 at 10:12:44 PM UTC-5 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> Nitto MCR22
>
> 22.2mm quill stem diameter 
>
> 4 bolt face plate 
>
> 25.4mm clamp diameter
>
> 190mm post length
>
> +10 degree angle
>
> 120mm stem length
>
> dull bright finish
>
> New
>
> $100 shipped to CONUS.
>
> Paypal G&S incur 3% fees.
>
> [image: IMG_2627.JPG][image: IMG_2628.JPG]
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NYC 5 Boro Ride May 4, 2025

[Roberta]

I signed up today and found there was a $60 (yes, sixty!) fee to have the 
bib mailed.  As far as I could tell, there wasn't any information on 
in-person pick up whens and wheres, and not being from NYC, I couldn't take 
a chance.  For the 20 mile Philadelphia ride in October, the pick up bib 
option was for the day before the ride only and it was clearly posted.

Anyways, I'm looking forward to meeting some of you for the first time,  
and meeting up with old friends.  Not sure which bike I'll be taking, but 
one of my mixtes--Betty Foy or Platypus for those quick jump off the saddle 
unexpected stops.  :)

d4dunmire--do you have a recommendation where in Staten Island to park, or 
do we just wait until they announce the starting and finishing lines and 
hope there is parking nearby?  How early should we expect to park prior to 
the ride start?  I'm thinking two hours.  Does that sound right?  Three 
hours?

Fred--I cannot imagine a Bleriot would be that heavy.  I have a Homer 
Hilsen (isn't Bleriot the forrunner of that) and it's my lightest bike.

See you all there!

Roberta
Philadelphia

On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 11:31:32 AM UTC-5 d4du...@gmail.com wrote:

> And if driving- park on Staten Island to avoid late afternoon ferry lines.
>
> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 9:08:13 PM UTC-5 beng...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I would highly recommend volunteering as a course marshal to anyone who 
>> is interested. You are allowed to ride the course for free after your 
>> volunteer position is finished, you can bring a larger bag with you, 
>> breakfast and lunch are provided, and they have a priority ferry boat back 
>> to Manhattan for all the volunteers.
>>
>> An extra tip is to volunteer early on in the course, or at the start 
>> area, so you are able to ride the entirety of the course
>>
>> Ben
>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 8:26:20 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>
>>> I paid a little extra for a Wave 1 start too. Ok, I'll ask an obviously 
>>> stupid question. I'll be staying with my daughter who lives in Queens. 
>>> What's the best way to get from Queens to the start? Just Ride, I presume 
>>> (to borrow title of Grant's book). 
>>>
>>> The Bike Snob's posts are great, by the way. Always enjoy em. The one 
>>> Michael referenced is what motivated me to register for the 2025 ride. 
>>> Thanks too for good suggestion about lunch. 
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:15:00 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I paid the extra fee and started in wave 1 in 2024, and I'm doing it 
 again in 2025. Wave 1 was great last year, except for the many misguided 
 riders who think it's a race. I don't mind people passing me, but many 
 people passed me very close and on the right. I cursed out a few people 
 because of it, especially for getting close to my wife. However, after we 
 hit Central Park the crowd thinned out, the would-be Strava heroes were 
 gone, and we were able to enjoy the rest of the tour. For every rider who 
 passed me in the first few miles, I must have passed 5 on the BQE who were 
 a puddle of struggle right before the Verrazano.

 If you really want to jump the start, read BikeSnobNYC's post about it 
 and follow his lead (
 https://bikesnobnyc.com/2024/05/06/five-boroughs-32000-riders-and-all-the-bananas-you-can-eat/).
  
 Otherwise, the waves before wave 1 (which I had no idea existed) are 
 reserved for charity riders, and you should maybe consider leaving them to 
 it if you are not in their charity (which I wouldn't want to be in either, 
 because I agree with Saint Sheldon Brown: 
 https://www.sheldonbrown.com/thons.html)

 Also a good idea is to consider picking out a place for lunch in the 
 Williamsburg/DUMBO area. Most of the rest-stops give you unripe bananas, 
 but the Brooklyn area is ripe with great restaurants right along the 
 course.

 M


 On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 10:19:47 AM UTC-5 Steven Seelig wrote:

> My advice is to figure out a way to get onto the course EARLY. 
>  Certainly, if you get a ticket for early entry that would be great.  But 
> otherwise, just show up early and jump onto the course before the traffic 
> builds.  There is nothing worse than getting stuck in a bike traffic jam 
> trying to get over the 59th Street bridge.  This does not mean you have 
> to 
> ride faster in that most riders behind you are not riding fast.
>
> Others with stealth ideas on being early should chime in here.
>
> Steve Seelig
>
> On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 1:38:31 PM UTC-5 Dan Dunmire wrote:
>
>> We consider the 5 Boro a bucket list activity- Its an unbelievable 
>> way to see the city. Every year we say no, not this year. But then 
>> someone 
>> we know wants to do it so we ride it again!
>>
>> On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 

Re: [RBW] backs!!!

[Patrick Moore]

One aspect of bike fit that you might want to check is sufficient saddle
setback. I’ve found over the decades that sometimes sliding the saddle
rearward so that your core torso muscles support your upper body’s weight —
of course, this means that your torso core muscles have to be sufficiently
toned, but this means simply normal strength, not something out of the
ordinary.

 I’ve been super stiff in the back since my 40s if not 30s — comes from
doing little exercise but riding (*) — and I suffered from back pain
(muscular) in my early 40s, but found that with suitable saddle setback the
typical 45* angle while on the hoods with elbows slightly bent was a
comfortable refuge while standing upright or lying down might be painful.
Now, a couple months shy of 70, I still find that a sufficiently butt-back
saddle keeps my back happy with bar ~3 or 3.5 cm below saddle and 8 cm stem
on road bikes or 0.5 cm below saddle with 10 cm stem on my dirt road bike.

As always, YMMV, but perhaps something to look at.

(*) Nowadays I find that walking — as in walking the dog briskly 1 mile/20
minutes or so 3X a week, and occasionally walking instead of riding to the
grocery store 1/4 mile from my house (but easier to carry loads when
riding) helps loosen up my legs and lower back — as does very occasional
weed pulling, leaf cleanup, and picking up dog shit daily from the
xeriscaped gravel. Oh, and sitting crosslegged when I say my prayers. My
brother, 64 and 1/2, practices (South) Indian squatting to great benefit;
the typical traditional South Asian sitting posture is to squat with soles
flat on the ground and knees around one’s ears. I can’t come close to that;
nor to the lotus position.


On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 7:44 AM Adam  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm curious to hear any comments thoughts, etc on back issues and riding.
>
> The context is that this fall I've had some nasty lower back/hip pain.
> Rest and some stretching & PT has "solved" the issue, but I'm still having
> trouble getting back on the bike without a little stiffness in the lower
> back.
>
> I have thought about swapping out my drops for alt bars and have an old
> bosco setup ready to go. My issue is that I've tried sweptback bars before
> and always end up back on HIGH drops. I really like my current setups and
> have ridden many long stretches on these  configurations, so I'm not
> excited to change what's taken a lot of tweaking to accomplish.
>
> My current strategy is to raise my current bar height a bit (already above
> saddle height) and to do shortish (under 1hr) rides indoors on rollers
> being mindful of core muscles, etc. That seems to be working, but I still
> have a bit of stiffness post ride.
>
> I'm curious to hear anyone else's experiences. Not really looking for
> advice, but curious to hear what other folks have tried, etc.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: backs!!!

[Patrick Moore]

+1. I’ve verified this by neglect. As in my earlier post, walking is a
great therapy for overall and especially back and leg stiffness.

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 8:06 AM Mathias Steiner 
wrote:

> … People gotta move, is my takeaway.
>

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[RBW] FS: Craigslist, etc 2025

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hope its OK to start this 2025 thread:
Saw this on Craigslist. First posted two weeks ago, but just updated. 
UNIVEGA ” GRAN PREMIO” - $350 (santa rosa)
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/santa-rosa-univega-gran-premio/7811355689.html
Sold by Palo Alto Cyclery. Probably circa 1978. All SunTour, SR and Gran 
Compe. 21" maybe 54 cm. Used, but minimal ageing -- A lovely time capsule 
from the Bike Boom.
No connection (tho it is my size),
David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Mike Godwin]

Yah, I saw the link. I like the Paramount that appears to be about the same 
era as Jock Dewey's esteemed ride.  This collection of bikes seems like a 
hoard that was in Watsonville/Salinas/Monterey area listed on SF and Santa 
Cruz Craigslist maybe 5 years ago. 

Mike SLO CA

On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 11:30:29 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:

> Ooof. He has the prices on the instagram @CampyCult
> I want that Holdsworth Professional so badly.
> On Friday, 3 January 2025 at 05:28:04 UTC+8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> I suppose folks have seen this hoard on SF Craigslist.  Has anyone 
>> contacted the seller for a price list?
>> Collection of BEAUTIFUL Vintage Road Bikes 56cm-62cm - bicycles - by 
>> owner - bike sale - craigslist 
>> 
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 12:31:32 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Chance Road Bike, being sold by my some-times hairdresser:
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-iykyk/7814081442.html
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 9:33:22 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Agreed Roberta, that price is bonkers. It's "spouse told me it has to 
 go so I'm pretending to sell it" money 🤣

 On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 9:07:40 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> I think WAY too much for a Betty, even one in that nice a condition.  
> I got mine in nice condition, yes some dings and paint not perfect and 
> some 
> miles on the drive train and tires, for about 1,600 (I don't remember 
> exact 
> price) a year ago.
>
> I think a Platy is a better $4,500 purchase.
>
> I own, ride and love both.
>
> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 11:28:36 AM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Betty Foy in metro Atlanta: 
>> Unique color scheme and drop bars.
>> A record price asked for a Betty? $4500
>>
>>
>> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/d/alpharetta-rivendell-betty-foy-bicycle/7810750762.html
>>
>> Whew!
>>
>> Edwin
>> On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 12:38:30 PM UTC-6 aaronr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A couple I came across while perusing the internets–
>>>
>>> 55 Rosco Platy in Reno 
>>> https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-rivendell-rosco-bubbe/7800685599.html
>>> 59 Clem in SF 
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7806881578.html
>>>
>>> Spoke to both online/ over the phone and they seem like nice people 
>>> too
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 10:44:42 PM UTC-7 Jacob Kersey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hiya Joe/all,
 This was my Charlie. And still is, as I got cold feet and decided 
 to hold onto it. Didn't formally post to the list as I really didn't 
 wanna 
 juggle shipping offers. Only got a handful of miles in the saddle 
 before 
 tearing it down  for a still stalled out rebuild, but can confirm it 
 rides 
 wonderfully 

 Was gonna chime in to say Jason knows what lies beneath those 
 stickers better than me (I dug the look  so I haven't  fussed with 
 em), but 
 good to hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

 -Jake in Oakland 

 On Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 5:47:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller 
 wrote:

> Looks like the post is gone now, that was my old silver 54 swoop 
> tube Gallop right?  I was the one who stickered it up for commuting 
> but it 
> was mint underneath. I don't think the fella who bought it from me 
> rode it 
> much (at all?).  Kinda miss that bike, it was a perfect commuter, but 
> just 
> too overlappy with my Hillborne. 
>
> On Saturday, 30 November 2024 at 07:57:16 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> "Gallop" 
>>
>> Cool frame but I'd like to know what's under those huge stickers. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 10:40:45 PM UTC-8 Edward S 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not my post - Rivendell Charlie Gallop Prototype Frame, Bay Area 
>>> - $1100
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-charlie-gallop/7803352067.html
>>>
>>> I just purchased a size 57 Gallop frame from Riv in RBW Blue, 
>>> but this prototype frame looks really beautiful - especially with 
>>> that 
>>> stem. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 21, 2024 at 11:12:31 AM UTC-8 
>>> krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @Thomas,

 You are not alone. 

 In my case I wish I could have been able to afford that 

[RBW] WTB: Crust Juan Martin bars

[Teague Scott]

Hey y'all. I'm slowly accumulating bits for a Susie build. I'm buying 
more new bits than I have in the past, so figured I'd put the ask out there 
to try get some secondhand (or third or fourth) bars.

I know I'm lessening my chance of finding 'em but I'm looking for the 
silver 26.0 version, not really too interested in 31.8 or black.

Thanks!

-Teague in Boise

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[RBW] WTB: 54 Hunqapillar

[Sam Scavo]

Howdy all, 

Ive been after a Hunq for quite a few years but never seem to come across 
one in my size. Anyone out there interested in parting with a 54? I'd 
prefer a frameset but would consider a complete bike. 
I'm fairly certain I would be a 54. Most of my bikes are in the "medium" 
range or 52-54 cm. Any help with sizing would be great too!

Thanks!
Sam

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[RBW] My First Riv (clydesdale MTB rider)

[Kyle Patton]

Howdy,

I've been Riv-curious for a while now and after much debate I think I'm 
ready to bite the brass. After looking through rivbike.com and through 
google trying to learn more, I've only narrowed the search a little and am 
still unsure what Riv would suit me best, and so am hoping to find some 
better insight here.

About me:
6'
270lbs
87cm PBH

About my riding:

   - 80% MTB–tight, twisty east coast singletrack through trees, but no 
   downhill or sending jumps, love a long day on the trails, love a good 
   climb, love to pick my line weaving around roots and rocks
   - Road rides consist of trips to the store, trips around the 
   neighborhoods, and occasionally a longer road ride or path ride. Spend a 
   lot of time on sidewalks and hopping up and down curbs. Also love to find 
   some bandit singletrack and go explore.
   - Have several current bikes but my favorite bike to fulfill this 
   purpose (ergo the one the Riv would replace) is a 2012 Surly Karate Monkey 
   with the stock rigid fork. I'm running 29x2.2 xc race tires which is 
   definitely my preferred setup as it gives me all the cush I want with some 
   knobbies for MTB but a fast center for pavement. Also prefer 29 over other 
   sizes. Running a 1x11 setup but ideal would be 2x9 or 2x10. Flat bars/alt 
   bars exclusively, though I'd love to play with drops (have owned a cross 
   bike before that was very fun to take on singletrack)

>From what I understand of the current bikes, an Appaloosa, Clem, or Susie 
might work. I am worried about the length of the Clem and Susie in the 
tighter singletrack, I have some hardtails that aren't as long that become 
a handful in switchbacks. Also seems that an Atlantis, Hunqapillar, or 
Bombadil would work. Would love to find one used, and will need a near 
complete bike as I don't have many compatible parts in my parts bins.

If you made it here thanks for reading!

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[RBW] Rivendells of the UK

[Kath Sparrow]

I was sent a link to the UK branch of Rivs but can’t seem to find it now? 

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[RBW] Long Time Lurker, New Riv Owner!

[babypop]

Hi All, 

I hope your new year is off to a rolling start!

I've been lurking in this group since 2010, all the while pining for a 
Rivendell. I finally got a lugged Roadini frame and have the bike built and 
rolling. 

Here's a link to a Flickr album: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBWHdJ

And here's an overview of the specs:
Frame/Fork: Olive, 54 cm
Headset: FSA Duron
Wheels: Hunt Areo Lite
Tires: RH Barlow Pass, 700x38c (50psi)
Brake levers: Gevanalle/Tektro
Brake Calipers: Tektro 559
Crankset: Velo Orange Grand Cru, 48/30
Cassette: Shimano (M770), 9 speed, 11-34
Bar: Nitto Noodle (177), 44cm
Stem: Nitto Pearl, 90mm
Bar Tape: Origin 8
FD: Suntour
RD: Shimano Claris
Shifters: Suntour Bar-cons
Pedals: MKS Monarch II
Saddle: Brooks B17 Special
Seatpost: Velo Orange Grand Cru
Bottle Cages: Blackburn Stainless Steel
Chainstay Protector: Newbaum's

Some small things may change (How might a black stem look? Are those levers 
working aesthetically?), but the ride so far is impeccable.

I look forward to being more active here and sharing the love!

Take care, 

Michael Burns

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[RBW] Re: DIY "Pec Deck" bag support

[Nick Bull]

Looks good! Love the Analog Cycles touch!

-Nick
South Minneapolis 

On Wednesday, January 1, 2025 at 8:55:49 AM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Three consecutive days of cold wet weather drove me to a fit of cabin 
> fever. 
>
> My antidote: two Nitto rack struts recently purchased from RBW, a couple 
> darumas and fastener bits from the parts bin, a scrap of aluminum bar, 
> along with a cannibalized Analog Cycles sticker. Surprisingly, it seems to 
> work!
>
> [image: CFEB5156-4E3D-4D7D-AAC8-EEEA3ACCF9C3_1_201_a.jpeg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NYC 5 Boro Ride May 4, 2025

[Ben Gardy]

There is in person packet pickup for the three days before the ride, and if 
I recall correctly, there is a spot to pickup your bib day of in lower 
Manhattan, close to the ferry terminal.

The course start and finish lines are usually in the same places, so most 
of the information surrounding the 2024 tour should still apply for 2025. 

There are several parking garages on Staten Island that specifically cater 
to 5 boro riders, 
https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour/getting-there/staten-island-parking/
 Just 
keep in mind that the ferry takes approximately 30 minutes to get to lower 
Manhattan from Staten Island, and the capacity can be limited.

Ben
On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 4:04:17 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I signed up today and found there was a $60 (yes, sixty!) fee to have the 
> bib mailed.  As far as I could tell, there wasn't any information on 
> in-person pick up whens and wheres, and not being from NYC, I couldn't take 
> a chance.  For the 20 mile Philadelphia ride in October, the pick up bib 
> option was for the day before the ride only and it was clearly posted.
>
> Anyways, I'm looking forward to meeting some of you for the first time,  
> and meeting up with old friends.  Not sure which bike I'll be taking, but 
> one of my mixtes--Betty Foy or Platypus for those quick jump off the saddle 
> unexpected stops.  :)
>
> d4dunmire--do you have a recommendation where in Staten Island to park, 
> or do we just wait until they announce the starting and finishing lines and 
> hope there is parking nearby?  How early should we expect to park prior to 
> the ride start?  I'm thinking two hours.  Does that sound right?  Three 
> hours?
>
> Fred--I cannot imagine a Bleriot would be that heavy.  I have a Homer 
> Hilsen (isn't Bleriot the forrunner of that) and it's my lightest bike.
>
> See you all there!
>
> Roberta
> Philadelphia
>
> On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 11:31:32 AM UTC-5 d4du...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> And if driving- park on Staten Island to avoid late afternoon ferry lines.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 9:08:13 PM UTC-5 beng...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would highly recommend volunteering as a course marshal to anyone who 
>>> is interested. You are allowed to ride the course for free after your 
>>> volunteer position is finished, you can bring a larger bag with you, 
>>> breakfast and lunch are provided, and they have a priority ferry boat back 
>>> to Manhattan for all the volunteers.
>>>
>>> An extra tip is to volunteer early on in the course, or at the start 
>>> area, so you are able to ride the entirety of the course
>>>
>>> Ben
>>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 8:26:20 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>>
 I paid a little extra for a Wave 1 start too. Ok, I'll ask an obviously 
 stupid question. I'll be staying with my daughter who lives in Queens. 
 What's the best way to get from Queens to the start? Just Ride, I presume 
 (to borrow title of Grant's book). 

 The Bike Snob's posts are great, by the way. Always enjoy em. The one 
 Michael referenced is what motivated me to register for the 2025 ride. 
 Thanks too for good suggestion about lunch. 

 Dick

 On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:15:00 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey 
 wrote:

> I paid the extra fee and started in wave 1 in 2024, and I'm doing it 
> again in 2025. Wave 1 was great last year, except for the many misguided 
> riders who think it's a race. I don't mind people passing me, but many 
> people passed me very close and on the right. I cursed out a few people 
> because of it, especially for getting close to my wife. However, after we 
> hit Central Park the crowd thinned out, the would-be Strava heroes were 
> gone, and we were able to enjoy the rest of the tour. For every rider who 
> passed me in the first few miles, I must have passed 5 on the BQE who 
> were 
> a puddle of struggle right before the Verrazano.
>
> If you really want to jump the start, read BikeSnobNYC's post about it 
> and follow his lead (
> https://bikesnobnyc.com/2024/05/06/five-boroughs-32000-riders-and-all-the-bananas-you-can-eat/).
>  
> Otherwise, the waves before wave 1 (which I had no idea existed) are 
> reserved for charity riders, and you should maybe consider leaving them 
> to 
> it if you are not in their charity (which I wouldn't want to be in 
> either, 
> because I agree with Saint Sheldon Brown: 
> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/thons.html)
>
> Also a good idea is to consider picking out a place for lunch in the 
> Williamsburg/DUMBO area. Most of the rest-stops give you unripe bananas, 
> but the Brooklyn area is ripe with great restaurants right along the 
> course.
>
> M
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 10:19:47 AM UTC-5 Steven Seelig wrote:
>
>> My advice is to figure out a way to get ont

[RBW] Re: backs!!!

[Bill Lindsay]

"Not really looking for advice, but curious to hear what other folks have 
tried, etc."

I'll take that at face value and not offer advice.  Over the last ~30 
years, I'm running a longer top tube, and a taller stack.  I'm 5'10" with 
pretty normal proportions, and I always thought of myself running as a 
"Medium".  I thought a 56cm road bike with a 56.5cm TT was perfecto.  Now I 
ride things more like 59-61cm with a 58-59cm top tube.  I use the normal 
randonneur training two-step:

1. any schmuck can ride 50km
2. for any distance that I can ride easily, then I can double that distance 
until that distance is easy

I have zero back related issues to cycling.  If I want to cause a back 
problem, I sit for a long time on a bar stool, or for a long time on the 
ground.  I'd like to improve my hip flexibility so that I can sit longer on 
the ground.  I believe the rule of thumb that being able to get on the 
ground and get back up off the ground is correlated to longevity, and I'd 
like to be alive for a long time.  

Bill Lindsay (55)
El Cerrito, CA 

On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 6:44:48 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm curious to hear any comments thoughts, etc on back issues and riding.
>
> The context is that this fall I've had some nasty lower back/hip pain. 
> Rest and some stretching & PT has "solved" the issue, but I'm still having 
> trouble getting back on the bike without a little stiffness in the lower 
> back.
>
> I have thought about swapping out my drops for alt bars and have an old 
> bosco setup ready to go. My issue is that I've tried sweptback bars before 
> and always end up back on HIGH drops. I really like my current setups and 
> have ridden many long stretches on these  configurations, so I'm not 
> excited to change what's taken a lot of tweaking to accomplish.
>
> My current strategy is to raise my current bar height a bit (already above 
> saddle height) and to do shortish (under 1hr) rides indoors on rollers 
> being mindful of core muscles, etc. That seems to be working, but I still 
> have a bit of stiffness post ride. 
>
> I'm curious to hear anyone else's experiences. Not really looking for 
> advice, but curious to hear what other folks have tried, etc.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: backs!!!

[Adam]

Thanks all,

I appreciate hearing thoughts from everyone. It's easy for me to neglect 
leg stretches post ride, something I've been working on doing more 
consistently.

And yes, getting on/off the ground is an excellent goal!

Adam

On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 3:05:09 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "Not really looking for advice, but curious to hear what other folks have 
> tried, etc."
>
> I'll take that at face value and not offer advice.  Over the last ~30 
> years, I'm running a longer top tube, and a taller stack.  I'm 5'10" with 
> pretty normal proportions, and I always thought of myself running as a 
> "Medium".  I thought a 56cm road bike with a 56.5cm TT was perfecto.  Now I 
> ride things more like 59-61cm with a 58-59cm top tube.  I use the normal 
> randonneur training two-step:
>
> 1. any schmuck can ride 50km
> 2. for any distance that I can ride easily, then I can double that 
> distance until that distance is easy
>
> I have zero back related issues to cycling.  If I want to cause a back 
> problem, I sit for a long time on a bar stool, or for a long time on the 
> ground.  I'd like to improve my hip flexibility so that I can sit longer on 
> the ground.  I believe the rule of thumb that being able to get on the 
> ground and get back up off the ground is correlated to longevity, and I'd 
> like to be alive for a long time.  
>
> Bill Lindsay (55)
> El Cerrito, CA 
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 6:44:48 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm curious to hear any comments thoughts, etc on back issues and riding.
>>
>> The context is that this fall I've had some nasty lower back/hip pain. 
>> Rest and some stretching & PT has "solved" the issue, but I'm still having 
>> trouble getting back on the bike without a little stiffness in the lower 
>> back.
>>
>> I have thought about swapping out my drops for alt bars and have an old 
>> bosco setup ready to go. My issue is that I've tried sweptback bars before 
>> and always end up back on HIGH drops. I really like my current setups and 
>> have ridden many long stretches on these  configurations, so I'm not 
>> excited to change what's taken a lot of tweaking to accomplish.
>>
>> My current strategy is to raise my current bar height a bit (already 
>> above saddle height) and to do shortish (under 1hr) rides indoors on 
>> rollers being mindful of core muscles, etc. That seems to be working, but I 
>> still have a bit of stiffness post ride. 
>>
>> I'm curious to hear anyone else's experiences. Not really looking for 
>> advice, but curious to hear what other folks have tried, etc.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: backs!!!

[Jay]

Hi Adam - I hope this gets better for you.

Curious on where your drop bar is in relation to your saddle and what you 
would say is your spine/back angle when riding (90, 75, 45 degree)?  I've 
had the bars more aggressive years ago and they're more upright now (hoods 
2cm above saddle), but any position has never impacted my lower back.  It 
certainly impacted my neck/shoulders, and that is now much better.

I've had my saddle too high, and that has led to over-use of posterior 
chain and lower back issues.  After going for a fit, with this issue in 
mind, the saddle is now lower and it has been a while since any back pain 
(fingers crossed).

Lastly, I like using a foam roller on my back (carefully), and stretching 
glutes and back muscles 2x daily (I have always stretched a lot).

Good luck!

On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 5:12:09 PM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> Thanks all,
>
> I appreciate hearing thoughts from everyone. It's easy for me to neglect 
> leg stretches post ride, something I've been working on doing more 
> consistently.
>
> And yes, getting on/off the ground is an excellent goal!
>
> Adam
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 3:05:09 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "Not really looking for advice, but curious to hear what other folks have 
>> tried, etc."
>>
>> I'll take that at face value and not offer advice.  Over the last ~30 
>> years, I'm running a longer top tube, and a taller stack.  I'm 5'10" with 
>> pretty normal proportions, and I always thought of myself running as a 
>> "Medium".  I thought a 56cm road bike with a 56.5cm TT was perfecto.  Now I 
>> ride things more like 59-61cm with a 58-59cm top tube.  I use the normal 
>> randonneur training two-step:
>>
>> 1. any schmuck can ride 50km
>> 2. for any distance that I can ride easily, then I can double that 
>> distance until that distance is easy
>>
>> I have zero back related issues to cycling.  If I want to cause a back 
>> problem, I sit for a long time on a bar stool, or for a long time on the 
>> ground.  I'd like to improve my hip flexibility so that I can sit longer on 
>> the ground.  I believe the rule of thumb that being able to get on the 
>> ground and get back up off the ground is correlated to longevity, and I'd 
>> like to be alive for a long time.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay (55)
>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>
>> On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 6:44:48 AM UTC-8 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm curious to hear any comments thoughts, etc on back issues and riding.
>>>
>>> The context is that this fall I've had some nasty lower back/hip pain. 
>>> Rest and some stretching & PT has "solved" the issue, but I'm still having 
>>> trouble getting back on the bike without a little stiffness in the lower 
>>> back.
>>>
>>> I have thought about swapping out my drops for alt bars and have an old 
>>> bosco setup ready to go. My issue is that I've tried sweptback bars before 
>>> and always end up back on HIGH drops. I really like my current setups and 
>>> have ridden many long stretches on these  configurations, so I'm not 
>>> excited to change what's taken a lot of tweaking to accomplish.
>>>
>>> My current strategy is to raise my current bar height a bit (already 
>>> above saddle height) and to do shortish (under 1hr) rides indoors on 
>>> rollers being mindful of core muscles, etc. That seems to be working, but I 
>>> still have a bit of stiffness post ride. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious to hear anyone else's experiences. Not really looking for 
>>> advice, but curious to hear what other folks have tried, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Corwin Zechar]

The Schwinn Paramount at the link below looks like a Chicago built 
Paramount to me. Chromed lugs, chromed fork, seat and chainstays and more 
curve in the fork suggest to me it pre-dates Waterford built Paramounts 
like Jock's.

Regards,


Corwin
On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 4:22:11 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Yah, I saw the link. I like the Paramount that appears to be about the 
> same era as Jock Dewey's esteemed ride.  This collection of bikes seems 
> like a hoard that was in Watsonville/Salinas/Monterey area listed on SF and 
> Santa Cruz Craigslist maybe 5 years ago. 
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 11:30:29 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Ooof. He has the prices on the instagram @CampyCult
>> I want that Holdsworth Professional so badly.
>> On Friday, 3 January 2025 at 05:28:04 UTC+8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> I suppose folks have seen this hoard on SF Craigslist.  Has anyone 
>>> contacted the seller for a price list?
>>> Collection of BEAUTIFUL Vintage Road Bikes 56cm-62cm - bicycles - by 
>>> owner - bike sale - craigslist 
>>> 
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 12:31:32 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Chris Chance Road Bike, being sold by my some-times hairdresser:

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-iykyk/7814081442.html

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 9:33:22 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Agreed Roberta, that price is bonkers. It's "spouse told me it has to 
> go so I'm pretending to sell it" money 🤣
>
> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 9:07:40 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> I think WAY too much for a Betty, even one in that nice a condition.  
>> I got mine in nice condition, yes some dings and paint not perfect and 
>> some 
>> miles on the drive train and tires, for about 1,600 (I don't remember 
>> exact 
>> price) a year ago.
>>
>> I think a Platy is a better $4,500 purchase.
>>
>> I own, ride and love both.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 11:28:36 AM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> Betty Foy in metro Atlanta: 
>>> Unique color scheme and drop bars.
>>> A record price asked for a Betty? $4500
>>>
>>>
>>> https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/d/alpharetta-rivendell-betty-foy-bicycle/7810750762.html
>>>
>>> Whew!
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>> On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 12:38:30 PM UTC-6 
>>> aaronr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 A couple I came across while perusing the internets–

 55 Rosco Platy in Reno 
 https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-rivendell-rosco-bubbe/7800685599.html
 59 Clem in SF 
 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7806881578.html

 Spoke to both online/ over the phone and they seem like nice people 
 too

 On Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 10:44:42 PM UTC-7 Jacob Kersey 
 wrote:

> Hiya Joe/all,
> This was my Charlie. And still is, as I got cold feet and decided 
> to hold onto it. Didn't formally post to the list as I really didn't 
> wanna 
> juggle shipping offers. Only got a handful of miles in the saddle 
> before 
> tearing it down  for a still stalled out rebuild, but can confirm it 
> rides 
> wonderfully 
>
> Was gonna chime in to say Jason knows what lies beneath those 
> stickers better than me (I dug the look  so I haven't  fussed with 
> em), but 
> good to hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
>
> -Jake in Oakland 
>
> On Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 5:47:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like the post is gone now, that was my old silver 54 swoop 
>> tube Gallop right?  I was the one who stickered it up for commuting 
>> but it 
>> was mint underneath. I don't think the fella who bought it from me 
>> rode it 
>> much (at all?).  Kinda miss that bike, it was a perfect commuter, 
>> but just 
>> too overlappy with my Hillborne. 
>>
>> On Saturday, 30 November 2024 at 07:57:16 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> "Gallop" 
>>>
>>> Cool frame but I'd like to know what's under those huge 
>>> stickers. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 10:40:45 PM UTC-8 Edward S 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not my post - Rivendell Charlie Gallop Prototype Frame, Bay 
 Area - $1100


 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-charlie-gallop/7803352067.html

 I just purchased a

[RBW] Re: Triple Bypass

[Peter Adler]

A recent investigation into a non-car method to get to a CR event in North 
Carolina with a bicycle revealed that multiple long-distance Amtrak routes 
now permit bicycles, not only as checked baggage, but as assembled vehicles 
in carry-on storage:

https://www.amtrak.com/onboard/baggage-policy/baggage-special-items.html

In California, the Capitol Corridor line (Bay Area-Sacramento) has allowed 
carry-on bike storage for normal-sized bikes (no tandems or Xtracycles) for 
years, but this expansion to long-haul lines like the California Zephyr 
(Oakland-Chicago), the Coast Starlight (LA-Seattle), the Empire Builder 
(Chicago-Seattle) opens up a lot of options. Coming from Michigan, my hunch 
is that a combination of the Blue Water (Port Huron-Chicago) or the 
Wolverine (Pontiac-Chicago) - whichever one goes through your local station 
- plus the California Zephyr will get you to Colorado (Denver and Grand 
Junction, at least) with your bike in a couple of days.

Long trips on a train are a real adventure. They're sort of a more modest 
land-based version of crossing the Atlantic on a steamship. You can see the 
scenery, but you don't really stop anywhere long enough to get off, so you 
stay on the train until you get to your destination, and hang out with the 
other passengers.

Peter Adler
who went from Oakland>Seattle>Minneapolis>Chicago>Denver>Sparks (when the 
train had to be replaced)>Oakland in 1995 for a wedding In Madison, WI, 
with other side trips in Minneapolis, Chicago and Denver and had a great 
time
Berkeley, CA

On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 12:40:16 PM UTC-8 aeroperf wrote:

I personally think you’re slightly crazy for going for this one, but, ahh, 
youth.  It appears to be a well-run event.

Since you’ve mentioned before about taking the bike on AMTRAK to get 
to/from events, the California Zephyr goes from Chicago to Denver.

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[RBW] Re: backs!!!

[Andy Beichler]

My experience is that there are many reasons for back pain so getting lots 
of ideas may be helpful. Keep trying until you find something that works 
for you.  I finally figured out about ten years ago, after 20 years of off 
and on lower back pain, that I was over-rotating my pelvis forward.  This 
compressed everything in my lower back.  When I finally started to really 
focus on stretching my quads, it got way better.  Once my quads are loose, 
it is easier to rotate my pelvis back a little and take the pressure off.

On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 11:19:13 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> I've done some stretching, especially my hamstrings to alleviate a tight 
> back. Building core strength is helpful as well. I use an upright bar, 
> Bosco, but lean forward some during rides to stretch my back. One position 
> for an hour or more ride isn't comfortable to me.
> Doug
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 10:06:06 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure I can be helpful to you, but I do have relevant experience.
>>
>> I've had back pain for most of my life, since at least when I was 15 
>> years old. It was bad enough to get me a nick name in high school because I 
>> occasionally walked around bent forward at the hip like a chicken. 
>>
>> Later in life I found that lower-back pain correlated with times when I 
>> did not ride my bicycle. As long as I bike a few times a week, back pain is 
>> rare and transient. I started riding to work year-round in part because of 
>> this, and it's worked out well for this issue. As in, I mostly don't think 
>> about it, and haven't had real problems for fifteen or so years.  My 
>> handlebar is at saddle height, a couple, three inches higher than when I 
>> was young. Much higher and I feel awkward, but I do have long arms. The 
>> angle of my back is more upright than bent over, maybe 35, 40 degrees off 
>> vertical. That is comfortable for many hours.
>>
>> I don't stretch, and I don't do any other regular workouts. There are 
>> some exercises I learned to do to help with acute back pain but I rarely 
>> need them now. I expect but don't know for sure that walking would more or 
>> less have the same effect. People gotta move, is my takeaway.
>> On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 9:44:48 AM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm curious to hear any comments thoughts, etc on back issues and riding.
>>>
>>> The context is that this fall I've had some nasty lower back/hip pain. 
>>> Rest and some stretching & PT has "solved" the issue, but I'm still having 
>>> trouble getting back on the bike without a little stiffness in the lower 
>>> back.
>>>
>>> I have thought about swapping out my drops for alt bars and have an old 
>>> bosco setup ready to go. My issue is that I've tried sweptback bars before 
>>> and always end up back on HIGH drops. I really like my current setups and 
>>> have ridden many long stretches on these  configurations, so I'm not 
>>> excited to change what's taken a lot of tweaking to accomplish.
>>>
>>> My current strategy is to raise my current bar height a bit (already 
>>> above saddle height) and to do shortish (under 1hr) rides indoors on 
>>> rollers being mindful of core muscles, etc. That seems to be working, but I 
>>> still have a bit of stiffness post ride. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious to hear anyone else's experiences. Not really looking for 
>>> advice, but curious to hear what other folks have tried, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NYC 5 Boro Ride May 4, 2025

[Fred Marsh]

Debating. Would love to do it. Would my Holdsworth Professional with 32's 
do the trick?
I love my Bleriot, but it weighs a ton. Haven't ridden in NYC since I did a 
Monster Track race 
on a brakeless track bike. I'm so much smarter now lol. 

Fred
Chicago

On Thursday, December 19, 2024 at 10:31:32 AM UTC-6 d4du...@gmail.com wrote:

> And if driving- park on Staten Island to avoid late afternoon ferry lines.
>
> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 9:08:13 PM UTC-5 beng...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I would highly recommend volunteering as a course marshal to anyone who 
>> is interested. You are allowed to ride the course for free after your 
>> volunteer position is finished, you can bring a larger bag with you, 
>> breakfast and lunch are provided, and they have a priority ferry boat back 
>> to Manhattan for all the volunteers.
>>
>> An extra tip is to volunteer early on in the course, or at the start 
>> area, so you are able to ride the entirety of the course
>>
>> Ben
>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 8:26:20 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>
>>> I paid a little extra for a Wave 1 start too. Ok, I'll ask an obviously 
>>> stupid question. I'll be staying with my daughter who lives in Queens. 
>>> What's the best way to get from Queens to the start? Just Ride, I presume 
>>> (to borrow title of Grant's book). 
>>>
>>> The Bike Snob's posts are great, by the way. Always enjoy em. The one 
>>> Michael referenced is what motivated me to register for the 2025 ride. 
>>> Thanks too for good suggestion about lunch. 
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 12:15:00 PM UTC-5 Michael Morrissey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I paid the extra fee and started in wave 1 in 2024, and I'm doing it 
 again in 2025. Wave 1 was great last year, except for the many misguided 
 riders who think it's a race. I don't mind people passing me, but many 
 people passed me very close and on the right. I cursed out a few people 
 because of it, especially for getting close to my wife. However, after we 
 hit Central Park the crowd thinned out, the would-be Strava heroes were 
 gone, and we were able to enjoy the rest of the tour. For every rider who 
 passed me in the first few miles, I must have passed 5 on the BQE who were 
 a puddle of struggle right before the Verrazano.

 If you really want to jump the start, read BikeSnobNYC's post about it 
 and follow his lead (
 https://bikesnobnyc.com/2024/05/06/five-boroughs-32000-riders-and-all-the-bananas-you-can-eat/).
  
 Otherwise, the waves before wave 1 (which I had no idea existed) are 
 reserved for charity riders, and you should maybe consider leaving them to 
 it if you are not in their charity (which I wouldn't want to be in either, 
 because I agree with Saint Sheldon Brown: 
 https://www.sheldonbrown.com/thons.html)

 Also a good idea is to consider picking out a place for lunch in the 
 Williamsburg/DUMBO area. Most of the rest-stops give you unripe bananas, 
 but the Brooklyn area is ripe with great restaurants right along the 
 course.

 M


 On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 10:19:47 AM UTC-5 Steven Seelig wrote:

> My advice is to figure out a way to get onto the course EARLY. 
>  Certainly, if you get a ticket for early entry that would be great.  But 
> otherwise, just show up early and jump onto the course before the traffic 
> builds.  There is nothing worse than getting stuck in a bike traffic jam 
> trying to get over the 59th Street bridge.  This does not mean you have 
> to 
> ride faster in that most riders behind you are not riding fast.
>
> Others with stealth ideas on being early should chime in here.
>
> Steve Seelig
>
> On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 1:38:31 PM UTC-5 Dan Dunmire wrote:
>
>> We consider the 5 Boro a bucket list activity- Its an unbelievable 
>> way to see the city. Every year we say no, not this year. But then 
>> someone 
>> we know wants to do it so we ride it again!
>>
>> On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 12:14:55 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> My sister was delighted and insisted we do this on her Clems. I 
>>> guess I’ll see you there!
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2024, at 11:18 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm. My sister lives in NYC and has a pair of Clem Ls we could 
>>> ride…
>>>
>>>
>>> I really really want my own Riv but I can’t imagine how I’d get one 
>>> there…will think on this!
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 15, 2024 at 11:14:25 AM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>>
 I won't make it for 2025 - traveling to NYC from the west coast is 
 not gonna be an annual thing. But am already plotting my 2026 return. 
 One 
 thing I will be sure too do - that I found out about after the fact 

Re: [RBW] backs!!!

[Steven Sweedler]

I’ve lower bavk pain on and off tor years, seeing a chiropractor has been
very helpful. Stretching, core strength yoga all help but the greatest
relief cameftom chiropractic adjustments.

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 9:44 AM Adam  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm curious to hear any comments thoughts, etc on back issues and riding.
>
> The context is that this fall I've had some nasty lower back/hip pain.
> Rest and some stretching & PT has "solved" the issue, but I'm still having
> trouble getting back on the bike without a little stiffness in the lower
> back.
>
> I have thought about swapping out my drops for alt bars and have an old
> bosco setup ready to go. My issue is that I've tried sweptback bars before
> and always end up back on HIGH drops. I really like my current setups and
> have ridden many long stretches on these  configurations, so I'm not
> excited to change what's taken a lot of tweaking to accomplish.
>
> My current strategy is to raise my current bar height a bit (already above
> saddle height) and to do shortish (under 1hr) rides indoors on rollers
> being mindful of core muscles, etc. That seems to be working, but I still
> have a bit of stiffness post ride.
>
> I'm curious to hear anyone else's experiences. Not really looking for
> advice, but curious to hear what other folks have tried, etc.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: backs!!!

[Mathias Steiner]

I'm not sure I can be helpful to you, but I do have relevant experience.

I've had back pain for most of my life, since at least when I was 15 years 
old. It was bad enough to get me a nick name in high school because I 
occasionally walked around bent forward at the hip like a chicken. 

Later in life I found that lower-back pain correlated with times when I did 
not ride my bicycle. As long as I bike a few times a week, back pain is 
rare and transient. I started riding to work year-round in part because of 
this, and it's worked out well for this issue. As in, I mostly don't think 
about it, and haven't had real problems for fifteen or so years.  My 
handlebar is at saddle height, a couple, three inches higher than when I 
was young. Much higher and I feel awkward, but I do have long arms. The 
angle of my back is more upright than bent over, maybe 35, 40 degrees off 
vertical. That is comfortable for many hours.

I don't stretch, and I don't do any other regular workouts. There are some 
exercises I learned to do to help with acute back pain but I rarely need 
them now. I expect but don't know for sure that walking would more or less 
have the same effect. People gotta move, is my takeaway.
On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 9:44:48 AM UTC-5 Adam wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm curious to hear any comments thoughts, etc on back issues and riding.
>
> The context is that this fall I've had some nasty lower back/hip pain. 
> Rest and some stretching & PT has "solved" the issue, but I'm still having 
> trouble getting back on the bike without a little stiffness in the lower 
> back.
>
> I have thought about swapping out my drops for alt bars and have an old 
> bosco setup ready to go. My issue is that I've tried sweptback bars before 
> and always end up back on HIGH drops. I really like my current setups and 
> have ridden many long stretches on these  configurations, so I'm not 
> excited to change what's taken a lot of tweaking to accomplish.
>
> My current strategy is to raise my current bar height a bit (already above 
> saddle height) and to do shortish (under 1hr) rides indoors on rollers 
> being mindful of core muscles, etc. That seems to be working, but I still 
> have a bit of stiffness post ride. 
>
> I'm curious to hear anyone else's experiences. Not really looking for 
> advice, but curious to hear what other folks have tried, etc.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Triple Bypass

[John Dewey]

My tandem pal and I pedaled west to east, up and down the spine of the
Cascades a while ago all loaded up with cross-country camping kit. A grand
summer’s outing.

That’s a mean beast. We conquered the climbs, Washington, Loup Loup, etc.
one after another, by taking 10 minute breaks every hour by the clock,
whether we felt like it or not. Exhilarating when we careened down the last
pass and saw all that beautiful, mostly flat landscape ahead.

All in a day’s work 😎

Jock

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 5:53 AM ascpgh  wrote:

> My bulk of high elevation riding has been in south central CO, near the
> Rio Grande adjacent town of Creede. My longtime friends' family has owned a
> cabin in a camp called Spar City 14 miles up the valley at +/- 9500'. We
> were graced to have access to it as a basecamp resource, 850 miles away,
> for many activities.
>
> My college friend brothers and I commenced on a span of events that
> explain why rental car companies refuse business to under 25 year olds. We
> biked, hiked, fly fished, drove around in the old red CJ-2 and skied as we
> could logistically manage from 850 miles away, coordinating our work
> schedules to do stupid things with our outdoor interests. Our acclimation
> usually restricted the major dumb stuff to the later days of our stays.
>
> I had a digital watch I set with an alarm every 15 minutes to remind me to
> drink and eat on every other beep. Had to plan to have adequate water and
> easy to digest foods. By day three we were well able to carry on with less
> regimen and corrupted by pizza and beer as reward at the Old Miner's Inn,
> aware that our last 14 miles were uphill on the bikes. The spring of
> youth's resiliency damps with age dictating better conservation of your
> integrity. YRMV for sure. Having a good uh-oh bag for real contingencies
> (diamox) is smart as is at least one partner for travels.
>
> Highly recommend biking out there with cautions of an adult mind. The
> elevation changes will mesmerize you with the differences in biomes you
> pass through and the views from your summits. Be on your schedule, not an
> imprinted program. One thing I found on dirt roads and paths in that region
> is that they were long established, likely followed by animal drawn wagons
> or one up riders and followed lines to be the least challenging to the
> animals as possible. Many paved roads do the same but there's traffic in
> those two lanes and adjacent manicured right of way detracting from the
> enjoyment the trails offer. I did a lot of riding on a 1986 RockHopper with
> no suspension and 1.95" tires with sidewalls so stiff that they supported
> me at 20lbs PSI sitting. Your bike is more than fine.
>
> The climate changes dramatically through elevation, angle of sun/time of
> day, shade to sunlight. Walking in the morning sun can make you feel
> sunburn coming on one side, frostbite on the shady side.  I have a photo of
> a 12" wall of snow along a remote dirt road between Lake San Cristobal, CO
> and Ouray, CO taken on the fourth of July.
>
> The amount of planning and preparation you do for a pre-manufactured trip
> on a bike can also produce one for you, by you as well. The grown up (and
> vocational) perspective will assure that.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
> On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 1:18:06 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>
>> I am not saying I am committing to this. But here I sit in my dreamy
>> Michigan living room, watching my woods with my cardinals and blue jays at
>> their feeders in a perfect snow globe scene. This is no time for biking.
>> This is time for bike adventure planning.
>>
>> And I have seen this name Triple Bypass come up more than once. At over
>> 10,000 feet of climbing in 110 miles in Colorado, it sounds rather
>> miserable. But it also sounds like a bucket list thing. Who has done it?
>> What is it like? Is it suffering, start to finish? Can a Riv reasonably do
>> it? I love an adventure and I love good scenery, but maybe there are better
>> experiences closer to home.
>>
>> I figured I’d ask, in case anyone has done it on a Rivendell and would
>> like to chat. And anyway, what else do you have to do? It’s JANUARY.
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: backs!!!

[Doug H.]

I've done some stretching, especially my hamstrings to alleviate a tight 
back. Building core strength is helpful as well. I use an upright bar, 
Bosco, but lean forward some during rides to stretch my back. One position 
for an hour or more ride isn't comfortable to me.
Doug

On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 10:06:06 AM UTC-5 Mathias Steiner wrote:

> I'm not sure I can be helpful to you, but I do have relevant experience.
>
> I've had back pain for most of my life, since at least when I was 15 years 
> old. It was bad enough to get me a nick name in high school because I 
> occasionally walked around bent forward at the hip like a chicken. 
>
> Later in life I found that lower-back pain correlated with times when I 
> did not ride my bicycle. As long as I bike a few times a week, back pain is 
> rare and transient. I started riding to work year-round in part because of 
> this, and it's worked out well for this issue. As in, I mostly don't think 
> about it, and haven't had real problems for fifteen or so years.  My 
> handlebar is at saddle height, a couple, three inches higher than when I 
> was young. Much higher and I feel awkward, but I do have long arms. The 
> angle of my back is more upright than bent over, maybe 35, 40 degrees off 
> vertical. That is comfortable for many hours.
>
> I don't stretch, and I don't do any other regular workouts. There are some 
> exercises I learned to do to help with acute back pain but I rarely need 
> them now. I expect but don't know for sure that walking would more or less 
> have the same effect. People gotta move, is my takeaway.
> On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 9:44:48 AM UTC-5 Adam wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm curious to hear any comments thoughts, etc on back issues and riding.
>>
>> The context is that this fall I've had some nasty lower back/hip pain. 
>> Rest and some stretching & PT has "solved" the issue, but I'm still having 
>> trouble getting back on the bike without a little stiffness in the lower 
>> back.
>>
>> I have thought about swapping out my drops for alt bars and have an old 
>> bosco setup ready to go. My issue is that I've tried sweptback bars before 
>> and always end up back on HIGH drops. I really like my current setups and 
>> have ridden many long stretches on these  configurations, so I'm not 
>> excited to change what's taken a lot of tweaking to accomplish.
>>
>> My current strategy is to raise my current bar height a bit (already 
>> above saddle height) and to do shortish (under 1hr) rides indoors on 
>> rollers being mindful of core muscles, etc. That seems to be working, but I 
>> still have a bit of stiffness post ride. 
>>
>> I'm curious to hear anyone else's experiences. Not really looking for 
>> advice, but curious to hear what other folks have tried, etc.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Long Time Lurker, New Riv Owner!

[John Rinker]

Welcome Michael! What a beautiful build. The black Hunt rims really look 
neat with that lime-olive paint. Well done, and enjoy the ride!

Cheers, John

On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 5:59:19 PM UTC-8 babypop wrote:

> Hi All, 
>
> I hope your new year is off to a rolling start!
>
> I've been lurking in this group since 2010, all the while pining for a 
> Rivendell. I finally got a lugged Roadini frame and have the bike built and 
> rolling. 
>
> Here's a link to a Flickr album: https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjBWHdJ
>
> And here's an overview of the specs:
> Frame/Fork: Olive, 54 cm
> Headset: FSA Duron
> Wheels: Hunt Areo Lite
> Tires: RH Barlow Pass, 700x38c (50psi)
> Brake levers: Gevanalle/Tektro
> Brake Calipers: Tektro 559
> Crankset: Velo Orange Grand Cru, 48/30
> Cassette: Shimano (M770), 9 speed, 11-34
> Bar: Nitto Noodle (177), 44cm
> Stem: Nitto Pearl, 90mm
> Bar Tape: Origin 8
> FD: Suntour
> RD: Shimano Claris
> Shifters: Suntour Bar-cons
> Pedals: MKS Monarch II
> Saddle: Brooks B17 Special
> Seatpost: Velo Orange Grand Cru
> Bottle Cages: Blackburn Stainless Steel
> Chainstay Protector: Newbaum's
>
> Some small things may change (How might a black stem look? Are those 
> levers working aesthetically?), but the ride so far is impeccable.
>
> I look forward to being more active here and sharing the love!
>
> Take care, 
>
> Michael Burns
>

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[RBW] 2025 S.M.A.R.T. goals

[Bill Lindsay]

I did pretty well on the 2024 goals I posted to this group.  I did not get 
100% of them but I had a pretty good year.  

For 2025, my goals include:

Another try at 10,000km
25% of each town/park in Marin County on Wandrer.earth
25% of each town/park in Alameda County on Wandrer.earth
Do at least one belt-drive brevet
Take a run at an R12
56 miles on my 56th birthday
5 more summits of Mount Diablo on 5 different bikes

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Original Riv Road complete

[NYCbikeguy]

Bump + lowering price to $2500

Best,
IY


On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 6:25:40 PM UTC-5 NYCbikeguy wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Looking to sell a 55cm Rivendell Original Road Bike
> Pics here: google drive folder 
> 
>
> Details:
>
> Joe Bell Paint
>
> Top tube 56cm C-C
>
> Seat Tube 55cm C-C
>
> 700c
>
> Phil Wood Hubs (7sp freewheel)
>
> Sunrims CR18
>
> Schwalbe Marathon 700x35c
>
> TA Specialtes Triple crank 170mm
>
> Shimano Ultegra FD-6503
>
> Shimano XTR RD-971
>
> Shimano BR-R600
>
> Shimano Dura Ace BL-7402
>
> Suntour Superbe pedals
>
> Suntour Bar end shifters (friction)
>
> Nitto stem, drop bar, seatpost
>
> Brooks B17 Champion Special (old logo)
>
> Asking price: $2700 USD
>
> Shipping and paypal fees are not included.
>
> Located in New Haven, CT. Can meet in Astoria, Queens, NY for +$30.
>
>
> Best,
>
> IY
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Corwin Zechar]

And those chromed lugs appear to be Nervex as well...

Regards,

Corwin

On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 6:20:23 PM UTC-8 Corwin Zechar wrote:

> The Schwinn Paramount at the link below looks like a Chicago built 
> Paramount to me. Chromed lugs, chromed fork, seat and chainstays and more 
> curve in the fork suggest to me it pre-dates Waterford built Paramounts 
> like Jock's.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Corwin
> On Friday, January 3, 2025 at 4:22:11 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Yah, I saw the link. I like the Paramount that appears to be about the 
>> same era as Jock Dewey's esteemed ride.  This collection of bikes seems 
>> like a hoard that was in Watsonville/Salinas/Monterey area listed on SF and 
>> Santa Cruz Craigslist maybe 5 years ago. 
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 11:30:29 PM UTC-8 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Ooof. He has the prices on the instagram @CampyCult
>>> I want that Holdsworth Professional so badly.
>>> On Friday, 3 January 2025 at 05:28:04 UTC+8 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>
 I suppose folks have seen this hoard on SF Craigslist.  Has anyone 
 contacted the seller for a price list?
 Collection of BEAUTIFUL Vintage Road Bikes 56cm-62cm - bicycles - by 
 owner - bike sale - craigslist 
 
 Mike SLO CA

 On Thursday, January 2, 2025 at 12:31:32 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Chris Chance Road Bike, being sold by my some-times hairdresser:
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-iykyk/7814081442.html
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 9:33:22 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Agreed Roberta, that price is bonkers. It's "spouse told me it has to 
>> go so I'm pretending to sell it" money 🤣
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 9:07:40 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> I think WAY too much for a Betty, even one in that nice a 
>>> condition.  I got mine in nice condition, yes some dings and paint not 
>>> perfect and some miles on the drive train and tires, for about 1,600 (I 
>>> don't remember exact price) a year ago.
>>>
>>> I think a Platy is a better $4,500 purchase.
>>>
>>> I own, ride and love both.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 11:28:36 AM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 Betty Foy in metro Atlanta: 
 Unique color scheme and drop bars.
 A record price asked for a Betty? $4500


 https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/d/alpharetta-rivendell-betty-foy-bicycle/7810750762.html

 Whew!

 Edwin
 On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 12:38:30 PM UTC-6 
 aaronr...@gmail.com wrote:

> A couple I came across while perusing the internets–
>
> 55 Rosco Platy in Reno 
> https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/reno-rivendell-rosco-bubbe/7800685599.html
> 59 Clem in SF 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7806881578.html
>
> Spoke to both online/ over the phone and they seem like nice 
> people too
>
> On Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 10:44:42 PM UTC-7 Jacob Kersey 
> wrote:
>
>> Hiya Joe/all,
>> This was my Charlie. And still is, as I got cold feet and decided 
>> to hold onto it. Didn't formally post to the list as I really didn't 
>> wanna 
>> juggle shipping offers. Only got a handful of miles in the saddle 
>> before 
>> tearing it down  for a still stalled out rebuild, but can confirm it 
>> rides 
>> wonderfully 
>>
>> Was gonna chime in to say Jason knows what lies beneath those 
>> stickers better than me (I dug the look  so I haven't  fussed with 
>> em), but 
>> good to hear it from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
>>
>> -Jake in Oakland 
>>
>> On Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 5:47:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like the post is gone now, that was my old silver 54 swoop 
>>> tube Gallop right?  I was the one who stickered it up for commuting 
>>> but it 
>>> was mint underneath. I don't think the fella who bought it from me 
>>> rode it 
>>> much (at all?).  Kinda miss that bike, it was a perfect commuter, 
>>> but just 
>>> too overlappy with my Hillborne. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 30 November 2024 at 07:57:16 UTC-8 Joe Bernard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 "Gallop" 

 Cool frame but I'd like to know what's under those huge 
 stickers. 

 On Wednesday, November 27, 2024 at 10:40:45 PM UTC-8 Edward S 
 wrote:

>>>