[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[John A. Bennett]

Well, we *did* make a video of Grant’s talk, and it was posted….somewhere. 

We had an ASL interpreter. The small shop was packed. 

Can’t find it this AM. 

John in Portland


On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:45:45 PM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Jason,
> Are you referring to the video titled "Rivendells Grant Petersen talking 
> about the new Hillibikes at Rivelo in Portland, Oregon (111619)"?
> Its the video where he was introducing the Susie Longbolts.
> I also could not find it online and could not remember where I saw it.
> But I have a downloaded file and its 1.51Gb.
> I have screen capture a portion of the video for your reference.
>
> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 1:57:22 PM UTC+8 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> I think you may be thinking of one he gave at Rivelo in Portland? Surely 
>> someone must have made a video about it? (John Bennet of Rivelo, maybe?)
>>
>> Also John B
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:18:44 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jim but it's a different one, pre-pandemic for sure - though he 
>>> does touch on the same subjects a bit here so no wonder you'd think that's 
>>> the one! 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 20:13:31 UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:
>>>
 This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA

 On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry on 
> this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking 
> about 
> and knows where it is! 
>
> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it could 
> have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it well 
> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him. 
>  
> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went 
> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit 
> but 
> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired 
> about his approach. 
>
> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same 
> two 
> or three over and over. 
>
> Many thanks
> Jason 



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[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[jamin orrall]

this one? https://vimeo.com/57271334

On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 8:35:36 AM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> Good to see people still wearing plaid shirts in Portland.
>
> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 23:45:45 UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>> Are you referring to the video titled "Rivendells Grant Petersen talking 
>> about the new Hillibikes at Rivelo in Portland, Oregon (111619)"?
>> Its the video where he was introducing the Susie Longbolts.
>> I also could not find it online and could not remember where I saw it.
>> But I have a downloaded file and its 1.51Gb.
>> I have screen capture a portion of the video for your reference.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 1:57:22 PM UTC+8 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> I think you may be thinking of one he gave at Rivelo in Portland? Surely 
>>> someone must have made a video about it? (John Bennet of Rivelo, maybe?)
>>>
>>> Also John B
>>> Portland, OR
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:18:44 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Jim but it's a different one, pre-pandemic for sure - though he 
 does touch on the same subjects a bit here so no wonder you'd think that's 
 the one! 

 On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 20:13:31 UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry 
>> on this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking 
>> about and knows where it is! 
>>
>> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it 
>> could have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it 
>> well 
>> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind 
>> him.  
>> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
>> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
>> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went 
>> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit 
>> but 
>> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired 
>> about his approach. 
>>
>> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
>> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same 
>> two 
>> or three over and over. 
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Jason 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[Jason Fuller]

Yes, jamin! Thank you!  From about 5:00 to 7:00 of that vimeo video is what 
I was thinking about.  Much appreciated. 

And appreciate the other video links as well, nice to be reminded of some I 
had forgotten about, and even if they weren't the one I was searching for, 
it's nice to revisit them all the same.  

Cheers! 

On Sunday, 8 December 2024 at 09:33:13 UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:

> this one? https://vimeo.com/57271334
>
> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 8:35:36 AM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Good to see people still wearing plaid shirts in Portland.
>>
>> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 23:45:45 UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jason,
>>> Are you referring to the video titled "Rivendells Grant Petersen talking 
>>> about the new Hillibikes at Rivelo in Portland, Oregon (111619)"?
>>> Its the video where he was introducing the Susie Longbolts.
>>> I also could not find it online and could not remember where I saw it.
>>> But I have a downloaded file and its 1.51Gb.
>>> I have screen capture a portion of the video for your reference.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 1:57:22 PM UTC+8 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
 I think you may be thinking of one he gave at Rivelo in Portland? 
 Surely someone must have made a video about it? (John Bennet of Rivelo, 
 maybe?)

 Also John B
 Portland, OR

 On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:18:44 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Thanks Jim but it's a different one, pre-pandemic for sure - though he 
> does touch on the same subjects a bit here so no wonder you'd think 
> that's 
> the one! 
>
> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 20:13:31 UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry 
>>> on this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm 
>>> talking 
>>> about and knows where it is! 
>>>
>>> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it 
>>> could have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it 
>>> well 
>>> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind 
>>> him.  
>>> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
>>> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
>>> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went 
>>> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit 
>>> but 
>>> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired 
>>> about his approach. 
>>>
>>> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
>>> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same 
>>> two 
>>> or three over and over. 
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>> Jason 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jack the Bike Rack

[Chuck Blessing]

I meant to say 5 KG weight limit, not 2 KG. Also that's a VO Happy Stem 
with a 45 degree angle. Worked fine with the stock rack, but did have to 
connect an XS and medium loadstrap together for this stem.

On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 11:13:17 AM UTC-5 Chuck Blessing wrote:

> I have a Jack the Bike Rack on a State single speed with a Velo Orange 
> 11.5cm stem and Porteur bars. It's very secure and useful for my purposes, 
> such as stowing clothing layers on cold days and carrying snacks or other 
> such items on extended day trips. It may not be the best choice for 
> bikepacking or similar uses. It has a published weight limit of 2 Kg, but I 
> believe it is mentioned on their web site or in videos that this is more of 
> a handling issue, and the rack itself can handle much more weight than 
> that. 
> [image: PXL_20241208_161103154.jpg]
>
> [image: PXL_20241202_215600872.jpg]
> [image: PXL_20241202_215612560.jpg]
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 5:42:50 PM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>>
>> The only limiting factor for the rack would a stem with positive rise or 
>> extremely short/zero reach, but that shouldn't be a problem with a 
>> traditional albatross setup.
>>
>>
>> Fair winds,
>>
>> Captain Conway Bennett
>> 239.877.4119 <(239)%20877-4119>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 4:26 PM 'Timothy Whitfeld' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Appreciate the comments. Looks like a split decision but it’s useful to 
>>> hear some real world experiences. Maybe I should have mentioned that I’ll 
>>> have Albatross handlebars, Silver thumb shifters, Paul Love levers, and 
>>> V-brakes (Shimano DXR MX70).
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 12:39 PM Conway Bennett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tim,

 I feel compelled to reply since the jack the bike rack is one of my 
 favorite bike accessories that I've ever purchased, and its the only thing 
 that I have bought through crowdfunding.  I hate having racks permanently 
 attached to my bikes--I have wasted too much time installing them to 
 ultimately remove them then have them sit and then market, pack, and ship 
 them.  The jack the bike rack works exactly as advertised, and it is easy 
 on/easy off.  It literally takes moments, and has absolutely no play--I 
 will prove too.  I had it setup with a wald 137 and analog/fifth season 
 squall sack and/or cargo net, but I recently bought an outer shell 137 
 basket bag because I wanted a rando closure for the access.  As much as I 
 like roll top bags like the squall sack, I prefer them for long-term 
 storage, not day-to-day use.  Also, I have used this rack on wide drop 
 bars 
 and with v brakes.  I'm not sure where the interjection regarding 
 canti/center pulls came from, but I bet that they would work just fine 
 with 
 this rack.  I can only speculate, but I think you could use the largest of 
 handlebar bags, and this rack would be a fine support for them.  I think 
 the peck deck/rod steward is the worst compromise between a mechanically 
 secure rack and the jack the bike rack.

 I do have an extra jack the bike rack, black 137, and squall sack that 
 was underutilized on my wife's bike that I'm passively selling if you want 
 to buy it.  I personally don't need two with how easy it is to swap 
 between 
 bikes.
 On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:46:45 AM UTC-6 velomann wrote:

> Wow.
> My experience with the Jack Rack is the polar opposite of the 
> criticisms here. I got in on the Kickstarter 2-for-1 after favorable 
> preview reviews from Path Less Pedaled and Terry Berentson, and I love 
> the 
> two racks I have so much that I purchased a third.
>
> But my uses are specific and whether you like the rack will probably 
> depend on what you're carrying and what your other options are. One of my 
> racks is mounted on my beater 1990 Diamondback Apex MTB. This is my 
> commuter, lock up outside the schools where I sub, all purpose bike, and 
> the bag I usually carry is a prototype North St large-ish Carradice-style 
>  
> saddlebag with a shoulder strap, Easy to bungee down on the rack, easy to 
> remove. The other bike with a Jack Rack is my fixie, and I find the rack 
> absolutely perfect for strapping down a messenger bag or the North St. 
> bag 
> or whatever and carrying whatever s*** I want when I'm riding fixed. 
>
> I have almost no sway with the racks, and I'm just guessing but I 
> figure I regularly exceed the weight capacity and so far it has been a 
> complete non-issue.
>
> I should also say that I have a real aversion to front racks that 
> attach to the fork dropouts, as well as using P-clamps to mount anything 
> on 
> the fork, mostly for aesthetic reasons, but also because it's another 
> strut 
> to get in the

[RBW] Re: RH double: spindle length?

[Will Boericke]

Only difference between 5-9 and higher speeds is space between the rings.  
I use many cranks with higher "speed" drivetrains with no ill effects.  
Setting up a FD is non-trivial.  I'd recommend removing it entirely and 
reinstalling from scratch using Park Tools instructions 

.

Will

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 4:49:07 PM UTC-5 isp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Just realizing my Gen1 RH crank is only ideal for 5-9 speed, with 10 speed 
> only recommended with Ultegra chain (but apparently still not optimum). 
> Perhaps part of throwing my chain is also trying to 10sp on Gen1 with 
> what's probably a SRAM chain or Shimano cheaper than Ult.
>
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2024 at 10:42:27 PM UTC-7 Austin L wrote:
>
>> I use a 103mm ird with 42-26, sort of a 1x plus bailout setup. Works 
>> well, but the front shifting is somewhat dependent on where on the cassette 
>> the chain is. I like the low q and quasi 1x chainline.
>>
>> Austin
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2024 at 6:03:20 PM UTC-8 isp...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> For a Rene Herse double crank (46-30) on a trad’ish randonneur (130mm 
>>> rear spacing, 700x32mm tire clearance + fenders, straight chainstays not 
>>> curved)… what actual BB spindle lengths have people had success with? I’m 
>>> aware of the RH charts… one chart suggests 110mm and the other chart 
>>> suggests 107mm - so I’m more curious about actual experience ‘from the 
>>> field’.
>>>
>>>
>>> Origin of my inquiry… poor FD shifts (FSA/IRD “compact double”, I’ve 
>>> tried them both)… either it throws my chain beyond the big ring and onto 
>>> the crank arm… or I limit its travel and it won’t shift big at all. The 
>>> narrow Q on the RH crank arm minimizes any experimentation with FD cage 
>>> angle. And my cage sits just a mm or two above the big ring, akin to 
>>> Shimano’s alignment sticker. So now I’m wondering if my 113mm spindle puts 
>>> the FD cage too far out in its swing. I could easily fit a 110mm spindle, 
>>> and probably 107mm based on eyeballing clearance to the chainstays. Maybe 
>>> shorter spindles would improve FD throw/alignment? Thanks in advance for 
>>> any thoughts on this wandering missive. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[jamin orrall]

No prob! It's a great video.

On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 9:51:09 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Yes, jamin! Thank you!  From about 5:00 to 7:00 of that vimeo video is 
> what I was thinking about.  Much appreciated. 
>
> And appreciate the other video links as well, nice to be reminded of some 
> I had forgotten about, and even if they weren't the one I was searching 
> for, it's nice to revisit them all the same.  
>
> Cheers! 
>
> On Sunday, 8 December 2024 at 09:33:13 UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> this one? https://vimeo.com/57271334
>>
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 8:35:36 AM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>
>>> Good to see people still wearing plaid shirts in Portland.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 23:45:45 UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>
 Hi Jason,
 Are you referring to the video titled "Rivendells Grant Petersen 
 talking about the new Hillibikes at Rivelo in Portland, Oregon (111619)"?
 Its the video where he was introducing the Susie Longbolts.
 I also could not find it online and could not remember where I saw it.
 But I have a downloaded file and its 1.51Gb.
 I have screen capture a portion of the video for your reference.

 On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 1:57:22 PM UTC+8 John Bokman wrote:

> I think you may be thinking of one he gave at Rivelo in Portland? 
> Surely someone must have made a video about it? (John Bennet of Rivelo, 
> maybe?)
>
> Also John B
> Portland, OR
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:18:44 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jim but it's a different one, pre-pandemic for sure - though 
>> he does touch on the same subjects a bit here so no wonder you'd think 
>> that's the one! 
>>
>> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 20:13:31 UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:
>>
>>> This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry 
 on this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm 
 talking 
 about and knows where it is! 

 It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it 
 could have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it 
 well 
 enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind 
 him.  
 I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
 competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
 companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He 
 went 
 into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit 
 but 
 I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I 
 admired 
 about his approach. 

 Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
 somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same 
 two 
 or three over and over. 

 Many thanks
 Jason 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[Eric Marth]

I believe the video in question was made by Jay Ritchey of Bags by Bird 
among other endeavors :0) 

This was one of the first Riv videos I saw when I got interested in their 
bikes, it's great! 

On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 1:18:52 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:

> No prob! It's a great video.
>
> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 9:51:09 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Yes, jamin! Thank you!  From about 5:00 to 7:00 of that vimeo video is 
>> what I was thinking about.  Much appreciated. 
>>
>> And appreciate the other video links as well, nice to be reminded of some 
>> I had forgotten about, and even if they weren't the one I was searching 
>> for, it's nice to revisit them all the same.  
>>
>> Cheers! 
>>
>> On Sunday, 8 December 2024 at 09:33:13 UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>>> this one? https://vimeo.com/57271334
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 8:35:36 AM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>>>
 Good to see people still wearing plaid shirts in Portland.

 On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 23:45:45 UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Jason,
> Are you referring to the video titled "Rivendells Grant Petersen 
> talking about the new Hillibikes at Rivelo in Portland, Oregon (111619)"?
> Its the video where he was introducing the Susie Longbolts.
> I also could not find it online and could not remember where I saw it.
> But I have a downloaded file and its 1.51Gb.
> I have screen capture a portion of the video for your reference.
>
> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 1:57:22 PM UTC+8 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> I think you may be thinking of one he gave at Rivelo in Portland? 
>> Surely someone must have made a video about it? (John Bennet of Rivelo, 
>> maybe?)
>>
>> Also John B
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:18:44 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jim but it's a different one, pre-pandemic for sure - though 
>>> he does touch on the same subjects a bit here so no wonder you'd think 
>>> that's the one! 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 20:13:31 UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:
>>>
 This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA

 On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller 
 wrote:

> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up 
> dry on this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm 
> talking about and knows where it is! 
>
> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it 
> could have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember 
> it well 
> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind 
> him.  
> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He 
> went 
> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a 
> bit but 
> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I 
> admired 
> about his approach. 
>
> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the 
> same two 
> or three over and over. 
>
> Many thanks
> Jason 



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RE: [RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[Bernard Duhon]

Thanks lots for the video
I never saw it.

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Danny
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2024 6:31 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

Thanks Ed, that worked! Glad to be able to re-watch this one.
Also looking forward to watching the one Jay Ritchey one. Thanks Jason for 
starting the thread, and thanks Jamin for sharing that link!
Now if only someone can find the one J Imler is referring to.

-Danny

On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 6:24 PM J Imler 
mailto:imler3...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I was thinking of another one. You could call it a prequel to the Rivendell 
People video. Dave and Jenny are in it. Grant too, but not other staff so much. 
A bit shorter in length.
On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 7:59:28 AM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
I know the one Jason’s referring to. It’s like a “check out this local bike 
shop” type video and former manager Dave and Riv employee Jenny are in it. I 
searched YouTube but no luck.
On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry on this - 
perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking about and knows 
where it is!

It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it could have 
been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it well enough. It was 
in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him.  I recall 
particularly his comments about how he's not interested in competing with other 
companies, that he prefers to coexist with other companies that are doing what 
they're passionate about as well. He went into further detail on this. My 
memory of what he said has faded a bit but I still think about it a lot and it 
has always been something I admired about his approach.

Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews somewhere on 
the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same two or three over and 
over.

Many thanks
Jason
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[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Danny,
I uploaded the video to my google drive.
If I am not violating any copyright laws, I will keep it there for a couple 
of days.

Here is the link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18j24_VxpSoQSp5ePKhIr8wJfVjgrkQd6/view?usp=sharing
I am new to google drive so let me know if it is not working.

Enjoy,
Ed Fausto


On Monday, December 9, 2024 at 6:30:31 AM UTC+8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I believe the video in question was made by Jay Ritchey of Bags by Bird 
> among other endeavors :0) 
>
> This was one of the first Riv videos I saw when I got interested in their 
> bikes, it's great! 
>
> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 1:18:52 PM UTC-5 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> No prob! It's a great video.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 9:51:09 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, jamin! Thank you!  From about 5:00 to 7:00 of that vimeo video is 
>>> what I was thinking about.  Much appreciated. 
>>>
>>> And appreciate the other video links as well, nice to be reminded of 
>>> some I had forgotten about, and even if they weren't the one I was 
>>> searching for, it's nice to revisit them all the same.  
>>>
>>> Cheers! 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 8 December 2024 at 09:33:13 UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:
>>>
 this one? https://vimeo.com/57271334

 On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 8:35:36 AM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> Good to see people still wearing plaid shirts in Portland.
>
> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 23:45:45 UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>> Are you referring to the video titled "Rivendells Grant Petersen 
>> talking about the new Hillibikes at Rivelo in Portland, Oregon (111619)"?
>> Its the video where he was introducing the Susie Longbolts.
>> I also could not find it online and could not remember where I saw it.
>> But I have a downloaded file and its 1.51Gb.
>> I have screen capture a portion of the video for your reference.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 1:57:22 PM UTC+8 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> I think you may be thinking of one he gave at Rivelo in Portland? 
>>> Surely someone must have made a video about it? (John Bennet of Rivelo, 
>>> maybe?)
>>>
>>> Also John B
>>> Portland, OR
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:18:44 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Jim but it's a different one, pre-pandemic for sure - though 
 he does touch on the same subjects a bit here so no wonder you'd think 
 that's the one! 

 On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 20:13:31 UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up 
>> dry on this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm 
>> talking about and knows where it is! 
>>
>> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it 
>> could have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember 
>> it well 
>> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind 
>> him.  
>> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
>> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with 
>> other 
>> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He 
>> went 
>> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a 
>> bit but 
>> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I 
>> admired 
>> about his approach. 
>>
>> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant 
>> interviews somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just 
>> feeds me 
>> the same two or three over and over. 
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Jason 
>
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[RBW] Re: Sam/Roadini Comparisons with wheel size difference

[Ted Durant]

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:32:09 PM UTC-6 dane...@gmail.com wrote:

The 48cm Sam is 650b and I'm wondering if I'll be giving up any of the more 
road-ish feel of the bike with the same build but in 650b form on the Sam?  
Seems the Sam would be a little more versatile and have better braking 
options, but a degree slacker STA and the HTA down to 71 from 72 on he 650b 
Homer.   Wheelbase is about 10mm longer on the Homer.   Anybody have any 
experience here? 


I don't have a Roadini, but I have a Heron Road and Rivendell Road, which 
are pretty similar, and I have 3 Sam Hillbornes. I bought one Sam, not sure 
what I would think of it, and ended up buying 2 more, with 2 of them living 
at my daughters' homes. I've posted a few times about this, so for those 
who've heard it before, feel free to skip this one!

The Sam is the heaviest bike I have at this point, and I _love_ riding it, 
and I don't think it slows me down in any significant way. I ride ~48mm 
tires on all three of them, maximizing the all-road utility, which I have 
used to great advantage on dirt mountain roads around LA, gravel roads in 
Maine, and lots of bumpy tarmac in Wisconsin and Ireland. The handling is 
certainly different from my road bikes, but I have never thought "gee, I 
wish I was on one of my other bikes" while riding a Sam.  I haven't tried, 
say, 38mm tires on a Sam, but I expect they would significantly sharpen the 
handling (along with lowering the COG by 10mm). 

Don't underestimate the impact of the 71.5 degree seat tube angle, which 
compares to 73 on my Heron and Riv (and 73.5 on my Waterford ST). It puts 
the saddle 18mm farther back than a 73, at my saddle height of 715, without 
making any offsetting changes to the saddle position in the seat post. You 
have to take that into account when calculating what length stem to use. 
I've noticed some hand issues, especially on my Waterford, and I'm 
realizing now that the steep seat tube angle is probably a contributing 
factor.  Whether a slacker STA is good for you, only you can decide. I 
would note that, in general, the faster you ride the steeper a STA you'll 
tolerate, because you're putting more weight on the pedal, which unloads 
your hands. My hand issues on my Waterford are particularly noticeable if 
I'm loafing along. I can loaf more comfortably on the Sam, without any 
apparent loss of ability to put my (limited) power to the pedals.

Interestingly, I was recently measured by a bike builder and his design for 
me uses a 71.5 STA.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[J Imler]

I was thinking of another one. You could call it a prequel to the Rivendell 
People video. Dave and Jenny are in it. Grant too, but not other staff so 
much. A bit shorter in length.
On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 7:59:28 AM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:

> I know the one Jason’s referring to. It’s like a “check out this local 
> bike shop” type video and former manager Dave and Riv employee Jenny are in 
> it. I searched YouTube but no luck.
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry on 
>> this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking about 
>> and knows where it is! 
>>
>> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it could 
>> have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it well 
>> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him.  
>> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
>> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
>> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went 
>> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit but 
>> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired 
>> about his approach. 
>>
>> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
>> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same two 
>> or three over and over. 
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Jason 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[Danny]

Thanks Ed, that worked! Glad to be able to re-watch this one.

Also looking forward to watching the one Jay Ritchey one. Thanks Jason for
starting the thread, and thanks Jamin for sharing that link!

Now if only someone can find the one J Imler is referring to.

-Danny

On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 6:24 PM J Imler  wrote:

>
> I was thinking of another one. You could call it a prequel to the
> Rivendell People video. Dave and Jenny are in it. Grant too, but not other
> staff so much. A bit shorter in length.
> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 7:59:28 AM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>
>> I know the one Jason’s referring to. It’s like a “check out this local
>> bike shop” type video and former manager Dave and Riv employee Jenny are in
>> it. I searched YouTube but no luck.
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry on
>>> this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking about
>>> and knows where it is!
>>>
>>> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it could
>>> have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it well
>>> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him.
>>> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in
>>> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other
>>> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went
>>> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit but
>>> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired
>>> about his approach.
>>>
>>> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews
>>> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same two
>>> or three over and over.
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>> Jason
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: nitto, king cage, compass, rivendell

[jamin orrall]

Handlebars are gone

Just the nitto rack left.
Price drop to 185
On Friday, December 6, 2024 at 11:21:35 PM UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:

> shifters are sold, just the handlebars and nitto rack remain.
>
>
>
> On Friday, December 6, 2024 at 8:06:02 AM UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> these items are still available! 
>>
>> Compass randonneur handlebars, 44cm.  scratches and minor tape residue, 
>> straight, never crashed.
>> $75
>>
>> Rivendell silver shifters on bar-end pods, some scratches and shellac 
>> residue
>> $75
>>
>> Nitto campee lowrider front rack, 650b specific version.  This is a rare 
>> version of this rack that is not adjustable (unless you bend the canti 
>> mounts).  It fit my Soma Grand Randonneur V2 fork perfectly with a 42mm 
>> tire and fender if that helps.  rack measures 25 cm from center of canti 
>> stud hole to center of lower fork braze on hole.
>> $200
>>
>>
>> photos:
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xebOmTGnz-60wz9QqTEfjIvl6jffXzk1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 5, 2024 at 9:08:38 AM UTC-8 jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>>> Everything is sale pending except for the nitto rack!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 5, 2024 at 8:23:28 AM UTC-8 Keith Weaver wrote:
>>>
 Hi,

 I saw your for sale post on the Rivendell owners list, I'm interested 
 in the Silver 2 shifters and thumb mount.

 Thanks,
 Keith Weaver

 On Wed, Dec 4, 2024 at 11:44 PM jamin orrall  
 wrote:

> Parts for Sale!  Posted to ibob as well  Email me your zip for a 
> shipping quote, I use pirate ship to keep it as low as possible.
>
>
>
> Compass randonneur handlebars, 44cm.  scratches and minor tape 
> residue, straight, never crashed.
> $75
>
> 3 king cage stainless bottle cages.
> $15 each 
>
> Busch + muller iq-xs dynamo headlight, silver, less than 100 miles on 
> it. I heatshrinked the rear light connection to protect it, easy to 
> remove.
> $75
>
> Rivendell silver shifters on bar-end pods, some scratches and shellac 
> residue
> $75
>
> Set of Rivendell silver 2 shifters, brand new.
> $65
>
> Rivendell silver 2 shifter thumb mount (for right inside shifter) I 
> have two of these and I don't know why.
> $20 dollars each
>
> Nitto campee lowrider front rack, 650b specific version.  This is a 
> rare version of this rack that is not adjustable (unless you bend the 
> canti 
> mounts).  It fit my Soma Grand Randonneur V2 fork perfectly with a 42mm 
> tire and fender if that helps.  rack measures 25 cm from center of canti 
> stud hole to center of lower fork braze on hole.
> $200
>
> (not pictured) Rivendell cork grips, grooved and punched for bar ends, 
> the later version.  Brand new.
> $30
>
> photos:
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1xebOmTGnz-60wz9QqTEfjIvl6jffXzk1
>
> Thank you,
> Jamin in Arcata (95521)
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[RBW] Re: A simple custom steel BB cable guide

[Kim H.]

UPDATE:

I went a short bike the other day. The performance of my shifting was not 
as crisp as it was initially, unfortunately. (Okay I can hear a couple 
of you in the audience saying, "We told you different."...Okay, I am 
stubborn. I just wanted to shine in the moment of discovery. ) Therefore, I 
am in the head scratching corner. I am giving serious thought of changing 
out the whole cable and replacing it with either Jagwire Elite or Jagwire 
Pro. 

Which one do you think is better for a responsive, sealed and slick cable 
housing with the cable included for my Clem ?
The Elite ?

It is easy to install ?

I would need approximately 88 inches or 7.33 feet. 

Would I need zip ties to hold down the cable onto my frame ?

Thank you.
Kim Hetzel. 



On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 at 8:33:31 PM UTC-8 Kim H. wrote:

> @Steve, 
> I thank you very much for the suggestion of using Jagwire Aluminum End 
> Sleeves for Shift & Brake Outer Casings. I appreciate it.. 
> Where did you find them locally ? at your LBS or ?
> Your eBay link is in Germany. I would rather not order overseas. 
> The Jagwire website has them a jar of 50. I just need four, two for 
> application and two a spares not 50. 
> I did find on Amazon the following, of which is practical and would have 
> extra bits on hand to apply at a later date. 
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Jagwire-Shift-Cable-Black-Size/dp/B077F9ZMKF?ref_=ast_sto_dp
>
> @Will,
> I thank you for your suggestion of using Jagwire Elite cable housing. I 
> will look into that. I will measure first to see if it is long enough for 
> my Clem. 
>
> @Garth,
> I appreciate learning of your resolutions about your old '99 custom 
> Franklin's grooved-into-the-shell cable guides that were rough and were 
> chewing up your shift cables. 
>
> @Steve,
> I thank you for your praise about my conceiving this particular idea and 
> sharing with it with this group. I feel satisfied in doing so in my 
> creative process. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 at 4:56:11 PM UTC-8 Steve wrote:
>
>> Playing off of Kim's DIY customization - it occurs to me that a short run 
>> of leftover shifter housing could take the place of the V-brake noodle if, 
>> for whatever reason (dirt, wear, perceived drag),  there is a desire to 
>> protect the cable(s) as they pass beneath the BB.   I've been fooling 
>> around with bicycles for 50 some years though, and have not (so far) found 
>> a pressing need for this sort of mod. 
>>
>> I want to say though that my hat's off to Kim for conceiving the concept, 
>> nicely executing it, and then sharing it with all of us. I enjoy seeing the 
>> creative solutions that other riders devise. On occasion I have flagrantly 
>> copied them.
>>
>> Steve in AVL
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 at 4:06:58 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> On my '99 custom Franklin it has a grooved-into-the-shell cable guides 
>>> which were getting a bit rough and chewing up shift cables. So I used an 
>>> old portion of a 1.6mm brake cable line as a sort floss to smooth the 
>>> groove of any roughness. I wanted to thread in a section of slick inner 
>>> housing, but all I had was leftover parts of brake cable inner liner and it 
>>> was too large in diameter to fit through guide holes. Not be daunted by 
>>> that, I found Jawire sells just the derailleur cable slick liner, made for 
>>> 1.1/1.2mm cables. Threads through the holes like a form fitting glove. I 
>>> wasn't sure how much to cut, so I let and inch or two on both sides. I put 
>>> some light grease on the cable in there, but it's stainless cable anyways 
>>> and it rarely gets wet there in the first place. I can't say I've ever had 
>>> a corroded cable of any kind ever, even galvanized. My bikes stay indoors. 
>>>
>>> This wasn't a shift performance thing other than from the roughness of 
>>> the cable sliding over the steel and chewing up cables, and as of this year 
>>> the cables exhibit no signs of wear under the BB. 
>>>
>>> So if anyone has an older frame with a cable guides grooved in the the 
>>> BB shell and it's eating cables, give that a go. 
>>> On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Will - wow! I was unaware of that Jagwire cable housing kit.  It's a 
 bit pricy, though. What I have been doing is buy a couple feet of Shimano 
 compatible index shift cable housing (usually Jagwire) from an LBS, split 
 the housing with a utility knife along the length of the cable, remove the 
 wires, and use small lengths of the plastic inner guide to run the shift 
 cables across the BB shell.  It works great, but they eventually wear and 
 split and require replacement every so often.
 George

 On Wednesday, December 4, 2024 at 2:20:41 PM UTC-6 wboe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> You need Jagwire's Elite housing set 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[Danny]

Jason, I agree with Ed and John that you’re thinking about the talk at
Rivelo where Grant discussed the hillibike. It disappeared from YouTube a
few years ago, but good to hear that Ed has it archived.

Ed, are you able to host your file somewhere that we can download it?

-Danny


On Sun, Dec 8, 2024 at 6:03 AM John A. Bennett  wrote:

> Well, we *did* make a video of Grant’s talk, and it was
> posted….somewhere.
>
> We had an ASL interpreter. The small shop was packed.
>
> Can’t find it this AM.
>
> John in Portland
>
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:45:45 PM UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>> Are you referring to the video titled "Rivendells Grant Petersen talking
>> about the new Hillibikes at Rivelo in Portland, Oregon (111619)"?
>> Its the video where he was introducing the Susie Longbolts.
>> I also could not find it online and could not remember where I saw it.
>> But I have a downloaded file and its 1.51Gb.
>> I have screen capture a portion of the video for your reference.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 1:57:22 PM UTC+8 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> I think you may be thinking of one he gave at Rivelo in Portland? Surely
>>> someone must have made a video about it? (John Bennet of Rivelo, maybe?)
>>>
>>> Also John B
>>> Portland, OR
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:18:44 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Jim but it's a different one, pre-pandemic for sure - though he
 does touch on the same subjects a bit here so no wonder you'd think that's
 the one!

 On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 20:13:31 UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry
>> on this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking
>> about and knows where it is!
>>
>> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it
>> could have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it 
>> well
>> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him.
>> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in
>> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other
>> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went
>> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit 
>> but
>> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired
>> about his approach.
>>
>> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews
>> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same 
>> two
>> or three over and over.
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Jason
>
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[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[Paul M]

Good to see people still wearing plaid shirts in Portland.

On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 23:45:45 UTC-8 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Jason,
> Are you referring to the video titled "Rivendells Grant Petersen talking 
> about the new Hillibikes at Rivelo in Portland, Oregon (111619)"?
> Its the video where he was introducing the Susie Longbolts.
> I also could not find it online and could not remember where I saw it.
> But I have a downloaded file and its 1.51Gb.
> I have screen capture a portion of the video for your reference.
>
> On Sunday, December 8, 2024 at 1:57:22 PM UTC+8 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> I think you may be thinking of one he gave at Rivelo in Portland? Surely 
>> someone must have made a video about it? (John Bennet of Rivelo, maybe?)
>>
>> Also John B
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:18:44 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jim but it's a different one, pre-pandemic for sure - though he 
>>> does touch on the same subjects a bit here so no wonder you'd think that's 
>>> the one! 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 20:13:31 UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:
>>>
 This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA

 On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry on 
> this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking 
> about 
> and knows where it is! 
>
> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it could 
> have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it well 
> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him. 
>  
> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went 
> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit 
> but 
> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired 
> about his approach. 
>
> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same 
> two 
> or three over and over. 
>
> Many thanks
> Jason 



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[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[J Imler]

I know the one Jason’s referring to. It’s like a “check out this local bike 
shop” type video and former manager Dave and Riv employee Jenny are in it. 
I searched YouTube but no luck.

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry on 
> this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking about 
> and knows where it is! 
>
> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it could 
> have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it well 
> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him.  
> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went 
> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit but 
> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired 
> about his approach. 
>
> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same two 
> or three over and over. 
>
> Many thanks
> Jason 

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