[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[John Bokman]

I think you may be thinking of one he gave at Rivelo in Portland? Surely 
someone must have made a video about it? (John Bennet of Rivelo, maybe?)

Also John B
Portland, OR

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:18:44 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Thanks Jim but it's a different one, pre-pandemic for sure - though he 
> does touch on the same subjects a bit here so no wonder you'd think that's 
> the one! 
>
> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 20:13:31 UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:
>
>> This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry on 
>>> this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking about 
>>> and knows where it is! 
>>>
>>> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it could 
>>> have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it well 
>>> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him.  
>>> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
>>> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
>>> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went 
>>> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit but 
>>> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired 
>>> about his approach. 
>>>
>>> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
>>> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same two 
>>> or three over and over. 
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>> Jason 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Riv low-normal derailer

[Josh C]

 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256708285037?_skw=shimano+xtr+m+960&itmmeta=01JEJ25KM6XZGZYZ1S1K1G5XT0&hash=item3bc501926d:g:qcAAAOSwJAtnLpkR&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJ0HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKmAjD0nzdjYQ2wGtuMDIir%2FiqwXFOemmDgGp5jm3KeLCwh%2Bq5pK61feHZ2MXkoTyzmKKKqM7%2BwKZY%2FXSfzzwrB0CEAyDw1oH8N2%2FCaQM4sh32pYhF9AnjLbevVGihqQpe1fmtA%2Byjwb9xBvuiYRrhtgmRF2QgI5wPCOnPPyIBr8iOyHymkEZWz3w3Cn3WAayzvGAU6ARyuf0jLbfeFcwpqocyJQUGzG9frtKVomdu45d9qnMpWI1g1s3%2BBluyFNzhw%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5S6lsL0ZA

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 9:30:12 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> I agree that the 952 is a good derailleur, same with the m951 and m960 
> (the best-looking xtr derailleur), but now you have to buy one used with 
> 5000 miles on it and scratched all to crap on eBay for $80 plus shipping 
> and then replace the old sticky jockey wheels for another $18 plus change. 
> It'd be nice to have another option that will continue to be produced. I 
> personally don't care much about rapid rise or not. I am not one to notice 
> small details like that and tend to adapt quickly to subtle differences. 
> I've got both on different bikes, and after a shift or two (friction 
> shifters), I adjust, and it doesn't bother me either way. 
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 9:00:17 PM UTC-5 dros...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Out of the hundreds of bike components I’ve owned in my life, I can’t 
>> think of one that’s better than the trusted 952. Shimano should reissue it 
>> and keep it in production forever. 
>>
>> --
>> Sent from Canary 
>>
>> On Saturday, Dec 07, 2024 at 8:54 PM, Jason Fuller  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't find it unattractive, though it would have been more fun if it 
>> kept the older vintage style. I have tried to embrace rapid rise but it's 
>> not for me, never worked as flawlessly as my M952's. Glad it's happening 
>> and their Silver brand continues to expand. 
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 15:37:24 UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:32:54 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it looks splendid, and I am happy that the immense work they did 
>>> will result in the existence of a bike part that would otherwise not exist. 
>>>  I'll buy four.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm with BL here, and if this is anywhere close to Microshift pricepoint 
>>> I'm very excited indeed 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Riv low-normal derailer

[Johnny Alien]

In hindsight I feel like my comments came across as too harsh. Despite it 
not being for me, I am very excited this is going to happen for both 
RIvendell and fans of rapid rise

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 9:40:29 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

>  
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/256708285037?_skw=shimano+xtr+m+960&itmmeta=01JEJ25KM6XZGZYZ1S1K1G5XT0&hash=item3bc501926d:g:qcAAAOSwJAtnLpkR&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJ0HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKmAjD0nzdjYQ2wGtuMDIir%2FiqwXFOemmDgGp5jm3KeLCwh%2Bq5pK61feHZ2MXkoTyzmKKKqM7%2BwKZY%2FXSfzzwrB0CEAyDw1oH8N2%2FCaQM4sh32pYhF9AnjLbevVGihqQpe1fmtA%2Byjwb9xBvuiYRrhtgmRF2QgI5wPCOnPPyIBr8iOyHymkEZWz3w3Cn3WAayzvGAU6ARyuf0jLbfeFcwpqocyJQUGzG9frtKVomdu45d9qnMpWI1g1s3%2BBluyFNzhw%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR5S6lsL0ZA
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 9:30:12 PM UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> I agree that the 952 is a good derailleur, same with the m951 and m960 
>> (the best-looking xtr derailleur), but now you have to buy one used with 
>> 5000 miles on it and scratched all to crap on eBay for $80 plus shipping 
>> and then replace the old sticky jockey wheels for another $18 plus change. 
>> It'd be nice to have another option that will continue to be produced. I 
>> personally don't care much about rapid rise or not. I am not one to notice 
>> small details like that and tend to adapt quickly to subtle differences. 
>> I've got both on different bikes, and after a shift or two (friction 
>> shifters), I adjust, and it doesn't bother me either way. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 9:00:17 PM UTC-5 dros...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Out of the hundreds of bike components I’ve owned in my life, I can’t 
>>> think of one that’s better than the trusted 952. Shimano should reissue it 
>>> and keep it in production forever. 
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from Canary 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, Dec 07, 2024 at 8:54 PM, Jason Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't find it unattractive, though it would have been more fun if it 
>>> kept the older vintage style. I have tried to embrace rapid rise but it's 
>>> not for me, never worked as flawlessly as my M952's. Glad it's happening 
>>> and their Silver brand continues to expand. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 15:37:24 UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>>>
 On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:32:54 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I think it looks splendid, and I am happy that the immense work they 
 did will result in the existence of a bike part that would otherwise not 
 exist.  I'll buy four.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA


 I'm with BL here, and if this is anywhere close to Microshift 
 pricepoint I'm very excited indeed 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Wooly Warm tweed newsboy cap

[Eric Marth]

Cap is sold, thank you much!

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 1:34:31 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

>
> [image: IMG_4205.JPG]
>
> *Rivendell Wooly Warm tweed newsboy cap — $45 plus shipping to you*
>
> Tweed wool in green, brown, gold and burgundy plaid. Labeled a size large. 
> This hat fits me well and my head measures 23" with a cloth measuring tape 
> wrapped around my head where the hat band sits. 
>
> In great shape overall, no issues aside from some slight pilling here and 
> there. Top of the cap is sewn to the brim unlike other newsboy caps that 
> feature a snap closure. 
>
> I cannot find any information on this item in old Rivendell catalogs or 
> mailers. I'm unsure when it appeared or where it was made but likely in the 
> US or the UK given the origins of other Wooly Warm items. Perhaps someone 
> on the forum can point me to a corner of the internet archive with past 
> evidence of the cap. I'd appreciate it!
>
> Please email to purchase 
>
> [image: IMG_4206.JPG]
>
> [image: IMG_4207.JPG]
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[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[Jim M.]

This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry on 
> this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking about 
> and knows where it is! 
>
> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it could 
> have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it well 
> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him.  
> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went 
> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit but 
> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired 
> about his approach. 
>
> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same two 
> or three over and over. 
>
> Many thanks
> Jason 

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[RBW] Re: In search of: an old Grant interview

[Jason Fuller]

Thanks Jim but it's a different one, pre-pandemic for sure - though he does 
touch on the same subjects a bit here so no wonder you'd think that's the 
one! 

On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 20:13:31 UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:51:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry on 
>> this - perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking about 
>> and knows where it is! 
>>
>> It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it could 
>> have been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it well 
>> enough. It was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him.  
>> I recall particularly his comments about how he's not interested in 
>> competing with other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other 
>> companies that are doing what they're passionate about as well. He went 
>> into further detail on this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit but 
>> I still think about it a lot and it has always been something I admired 
>> about his approach. 
>>
>> Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
>> somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same two 
>> or three over and over. 
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Jason 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam/Roadini Comparisons with wheel size difference

[Jason Fuller]

Knowing what your routes are like Dan, I think the Hillborne would be 
killer!  I've never ridden a Roadini but having also come from a few low 
trail 650b rando bike before getting the Hillborne, I don't feel like it's 
objectively slower feeling. I hugely prefer the feel of 650 over 700 once 
the tires are 38mm and up too, i'm a little taller but not much. Less toe 
overlap is nice. 

On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 18:32:09 UTC-8 dane...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey
>
> So I've been enjoying my Roadini and taking it on everything from paved 
> roads/dirt roads to some chunky stuff.  I'm 5 foot 7 with short legs, 670 
> ish saddle height with 155 cranks.
> The Roadini is a size 50 which has a 55 ETT.  I'm running a 70mm stem with 
> short reach drops.  I'm a little on the edge of sizing with the bike.  
> Also, every time I throw the 32mm tires back on after riding 44s for a 
> while,  I prefer the handling and am thinking about a switch to a similar 
> 650b bike so I can get the sameish wheel diameter size with a 42/48 to 
> maintain that feeling with a wider tire.  I've had a few 650b bikes but 
> they were all low trail, which I decided I don't really like after all.  
> The 48cm Sam is 650b and I'm wondering if I'll be giving up any of the more 
> road-ish feel of the bike with the same build but in 650b form on the Sam?  
> Seems the Sam would be a little more versatile and have better braking 
> options, but a degree slacker STA and the HTA down to 71 from 72 on he 650b 
> Homer.   Wheelbase is about 10mm longer on the Homer.   Anybody have any 
> experience here?  The other possibility for me is possibly getting a custom 
> bike made, but we're talking double the price so I'm curious if maybe I 
> could make the Sam work.  
>
> Thanks
> -Dan
>

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[RBW] In search of: an old Grant interview

[Jason Fuller]

I have been googling every keyword I can think of and coming up dry on this 
- perhaps someone here remembers the video interview I'm talking about and 
knows where it is! 

It's an older interview, more than a few years ago now though it could have 
been anywhere from 2002 to 2018, I don't really remember it well enough. It 
was in a bike shop setting, there was a storefront behind him.  I recall 
particularly his comments about how he's not interested in competing with 
other companies, that he prefers to coexist with other companies that are 
doing what they're passionate about as well. He went into further detail on 
this. My memory of what he said has faded a bit but I still think about it 
a lot and it has always been something I admired about his approach. 

Please help me find it!  Is there a collection of Grant interviews 
somewhere on the web?  There should be.. google just feeds me the same two 
or three over and over. 

Many thanks
Jason 

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[RBW] Re: The Riv low-normal derailer

[ian m]

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:32:54 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

I think it looks splendid, and I am happy that the immense work they did 
will result in the existence of a bike part that would otherwise not exist. 
 I'll buy four.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


I'm with BL here, and if this is anywhere close to Microshift pricepoint 
I'm very excited indeed 

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[RBW] Re: Jack the Bike Rack

[Conway Bennett]

Tim,

I feel compelled to reply since the jack the bike rack is one of my 
favorite bike accessories that I've ever purchased, and its the only thing 
that I have bought through crowdfunding.  I hate having racks permanently 
attached to my bikes--I have wasted too much time installing them to 
ultimately remove them then have them sit and then market, pack, and ship 
them.  The jack the bike rack works exactly as advertised, and it is easy 
on/easy off.  It literally takes moments, and has absolutely no play--I 
will prove too.  I had it setup with a wald 137 and analog/fifth season 
squall sack and/or cargo net, but I recently bought an outer shell 137 
basket bag because I wanted a rando closure for the access.  As much as I 
like roll top bags like the squall sack, I prefer them for long-term 
storage, not day-to-day use.  Also, I have used this rack on wide drop bars 
and with v brakes.  I'm not sure where the interjection regarding 
canti/center pulls came from, but I bet that they would work just fine with 
this rack.  I can only speculate, but I think you could use the largest of 
handlebar bags, and this rack would be a fine support for them.  I think 
the peck deck/rod steward is the worst compromise between a mechanically 
secure rack and the jack the bike rack.

I do have an extra jack the bike rack, black 137, and squall sack that was 
underutilized on my wife's bike that I'm passively selling if you want to 
buy it.  I personally don't need two with how easy it is to swap between 
bikes.
On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:46:45 AM UTC-6 velomann wrote:

> Wow.
> My experience with the Jack Rack is the polar opposite of the criticisms 
> here. I got in on the Kickstarter 2-for-1 after favorable preview reviews 
> from Path Less Pedaled and Terry Berentson, and I love the two racks I have 
> so much that I purchased a third.
>
> But my uses are specific and whether you like the rack will probably 
> depend on what you're carrying and what your other options are. One of my 
> racks is mounted on my beater 1990 Diamondback Apex MTB. This is my 
> commuter, lock up outside the schools where I sub, all purpose bike, and 
> the bag I usually carry is a prototype North St large-ish Carradice-style  
> saddlebag with a shoulder strap, Easy to bungee down on the rack, easy to 
> remove. The other bike with a Jack Rack is my fixie, and I find the rack 
> absolutely perfect for strapping down a messenger bag or the North St. bag 
> or whatever and carrying whatever s*** I want when I'm riding fixed. 
>
> I have almost no sway with the racks, and I'm just guessing but I figure I 
> regularly exceed the weight capacity and so far it has been a complete 
> non-issue.
>
> I should also say that I have a real aversion to front racks that attach 
> to the fork dropouts, as well as using P-clamps to mount anything on the 
> fork, mostly for aesthetic reasons, but also because it's another strut to 
> get in the way of stuff. I do have Several bikes with various Nitto front 
> racks (M12, M18, 32F) and love those as well, but comparison with the Jack 
> Rack is apples & oranges for me - it works great for the applications I use 
> it for. 
>
> Also, I have not (yet) mounted a Wald 137 to a Jack Rack, but I know 
> people who have and it seems to be a great use of the rack.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Friday, December 6, 2024 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-8 Tim Whitfeld wrote:
>
>> Does anyone in the group have experience with Jack the Bike Rack? It's 
>> appealing to easily switch a rack like this between bikes but only if it 
>> works as advertised! 
>>
>> Is a handlebar rack even necessary to support a handlebar bag (e.g., 
>> Zeitgeist from Swift Industries or Goldback/Piccolo from BagsxBird)? Does 
>> an unsupported bag flop around or scuff the headtube? I've only ever used a 
>> pannier but like the idea of a more easily accessible handlebar bag. This 
>> would be for a Sam Hillborne. Thanks, Tim
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[J J]

Yeah, I also have mixed feelings about the look in the drawing. I’ll 
reserve judgement until I see an actual product. 

Regardless of the looks, I’m still going to grab some. I’m so glad this 
extremely unlikely project is actually coming to fruition.

Jim

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:40:05 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I’ll probably buy one, even though I don’t have any immediate use for it — 
> I just like supporting Grant’s little passion projects. I’m not put off by 
> the appearance. (Sometimes the Riv aesthetic goes too far even for me, like 
> the homebrewed “best grips ever” that’s some weird combo of twine, wool, 
> and bar tape.)
>
> It’s actually an interesting time in the boutique derailer market — kinda 
> reminds me of the proliferation of CNC designs in the 90’s. There’s the 
> upcoming Vivo Enduro (https://vivocycling.com/), which I preordered. I’ll 
> probably install that on my Gus. The Madrone Jab is also in development (
> https://madronecycles.com/products/jab-derailleur), which offers a fair 
> amount of customization.
>
> I don’t have an axe to grind with Shimano/SRAM/Campy, but I like that 
> there are alternatives, and I’m happy to spend a few bucks to support small 
> domestic manufacturers that prioritize serviceability and a “right to 
> repair” ethos.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Dec 7, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it, 
> presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a 
> non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift 
> derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 135mm rear hub

[Cormac O'Keeffe]

Thanks again for the suggestions. The world  of 135mm rim-brake hubs has 
become even richer and bigger than before. 

Looks like I've found my winter project.

On Tuesday, December 3, 2024 at 4:54:38 PM UTC+1 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I do like Dumonde.  The hub came with a set of Mercury wheels. I think 
> that the shape of the hub body and many other factors impact the sound 
> greatly.  I have many DT swiss hubs with the same set of ratchets and 
> vastly different volumes of noise.  The loudest is on my fat bike, and 
> approaches too loud for me.
>
> I retired the Novatec hub when it started creaking and I didn't feel like 
> troubleshooting.
>
> Will
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 11:45:05 AM UTC-5 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Will
>>
>> Did you have it serviced regularly ? or did you service yourself in 
>> re-greasing the cartridge bearing hub ?
>>
>> I recently had my rear hub serviced in re-greasing it with Dumonde Tech 
>> Freehub Bicycle Bike Grease Lube of which I personally bought from a 
>> member's recommendation. My rear hub was making slight clicking noises now 
>> and then. No sound now whatsoever. 
>>
>> Was your Novatech wheelset from with a purchase of Rivendell bicycle ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:45:30 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting.  The Novatec rear I had was not silent.  I think there's a 
>>> lot of variability in their different models
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2024, 10:38 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>>>
 @Cormac

 "I've always preferred silent hub"

 The rear Novatech stock cartridge bearing hub on my Clem runs silent. I 
 love running silent after all the years of listening to freewheels. 
 The spacing is 135. They are available in 36 holes. I have a 32 hole 
 hub.

 Kim Hetzel. 

 On Friday, November 29, 2024 at 7:47:27 AM UTC-8 okeeffe...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> That sucks. I've always preferred silent hubs. 
>
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, 20:38 Brian Turner,  wrote:
>
>> Hope hubs are nice and robust, but be forewarned - they are among the 
>> loudest I’ve owned. I have one on my Crust. Louder than White and Chris 
>> King, in my experience. 
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY 
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2024, at 2:30 PM, Cormac O'Keeffe  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Andy.  I reckon I'll go for the Hope hub. Dearer than some, 
>> cheaper than others and apparently it just keeps on rolling.
>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 2:07:37 PM UTC+1 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> Without additional speculations or input on the world of 135mm, 36° 
>>> rear hubs I definitely recommend the Silver cassette hub from 
>>> Rivendell. I 
>>> now have a 36° 135mm that Harry built with a Pacenti Brevet rim that he 
>>> had. I sought the steel cassette body specifically.
>>>
>>> This wheel replaced a 135mm, 32° Suzue Classica freehub with a 
>>> Pacenti Brevet 9-spd with an aluminum freehub body. I detected and 
>>> isolated 
>>> a sort of creak/click similar to a crank arm in need of tightening that 
>>> I 
>>> was not tolerant of.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 5:25:45 AM UTC-4 
>>> okeeffe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 I know that Rivendell, White Industries and Velo Orange all sell 
 135mm rear hubs, but does anyone know of some places (ideally Europe) 
 that 
 sell 135mm 35H rear hubs? 
 Cheers,
 C

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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[Keith Paugh]

It seems to resemble a lot of the Shimano XTR 900 series rr derailers
(which I quite like).
I only hope there will be less black parts than are depicted here.
A S!LVER derailleur, should be just that.

Regardless, I will be buying one on principle.
k.

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 11:59 AM Conway Bennett <
captainconwaybenn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As Tom Hanks said in Big, "I don't get it".  Why would you want a derailer
> to move towards your wheel?  If some dunce loosens their low limit screw
> too much, their rear wheel is toast.  The upside is faster shifting uphill,
> but it just seems like diminishing returns to me.  More and more, Riv's
> products are not landing with me.  If I were riv, I would have just
> cosmetically redesigned the advent X rear to be smoother and silver.  I'll
> end by paraphrasing a quote from crust bikes, if you like it but it.  If
> not, complain about it online.
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 12:52:38 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I also have mixed feelings about the look in the drawing. I’ll
>> reserve judgement until I see an actual product.
>>
>> Regardless of the looks, I’m still going to grab some. I’m so glad this
>> extremely unlikely project is actually coming to fruition.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:40:05 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll probably buy one, even though I don’t have any immediate use for it
>>> — I just like supporting Grant’s little passion projects. I’m not put off
>>> by the appearance. (Sometimes the Riv aesthetic goes too far even for me,
>>> like the homebrewed “best grips ever” that’s some weird combo of twine,
>>> wool, and bar tape.)
>>>
>>> It’s actually an interesting time in the boutique derailer market —
>>> kinda reminds me of the proliferation of CNC designs in the 90’s. There’s
>>> the upcoming Vivo Enduro (https://vivocycling.com/), which I
>>> preordered. I’ll probably install that on my Gus. The Madrone Jab is also
>>> in development (https://madronecycles.com/products/jab-derailleur),
>>> which offers a fair amount of customization.
>>>
>>> I don’t have an axe to grind with Shimano/SRAM/Campy, but I like that
>>> there are alternatives, and I’m happy to spend a few bucks to support small
>>> domestic manufacturers that prioritize serviceability and a “right to
>>> repair” ethos.
>>>
>>> Jay Lonner
>>> Bellingham, WA
>>>
>>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>>
>>> On Dec 7, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it,
>>> presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a
>>> non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift
>>> derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Clearlake CA
>>>
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: New 9 speed Shimano Deore RD-M592 rear derailleur

[Will Boericke]

Also great for 10s road brifters for larger cassettes, triples, sub-compact 
doubles 

Will 

On Friday, December 6, 2024 at 6:33:15 PM UTC-5 Mr. Ray wrote:

> New Shimano RD-M592 rear derailleur for sale.  Can be used with any 9 spd 
> cassette to a low of 36T (see chart below).
>
> Asking $50 USD (net to me) and includes shipping to lower 48 or Canada.  
> Paypal or eTransfer in Canada.  Thanks.
>
> [image: Screenshot (5767).jpg]
> [image: RD-M592 specs.jpg]
> [image: rd-m592.jpg]
> [image: rd-m592 back.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: The Riv low-normal derailer

[Joe Bernard]

I'm not a RapidRise convert, either, but I'll probably buy one even if it 
looks like a MicroShift. I'm a sucker for a good logo and Silver looks 
awesome! 

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:49:38 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it, 
> presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a 
> non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift 
> derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20241207_072221.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[Garth]

Of course it's rapid-rise and that is no surprise since it's been talked 
about for years. I wouldn't buy one for that reason alone. The aesthetics 
are acceptable of themselves. That it has SILVER on the side, yet with a 
black cage ... umm ... I won't hammer them for that as I 
wasn't in on the negotiations with Microshift to be aware of what options 
were on the table. I doubt that would be Riv's preference though. So give 
'em a  "brake" ... hah haha ! At least they'll have their own 
derailleur and won't have to be a the mercy of every whim of derailleur 
manufacturers, who have gone well over the ledge of what is a tasteful 
design and function for those who know what they like and won't compromise 
themselves for the sake of someone else's standards of what a bicycle is. 
On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 1:52:38 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> Yeah, I also have mixed feelings about the look in the drawing. I’ll 
> reserve judgement until I see an actual product. 
>
> Regardless of the looks, I’m still going to grab some. I’m so glad this 
> extremely unlikely project is actually coming to fruition.
>
> Jim
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:40:05 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> I’ll probably buy one, even though I don’t have any immediate use for it 
>> — I just like supporting Grant’s little passion projects. I’m not put off 
>> by the appearance. (Sometimes the Riv aesthetic goes too far even for me, 
>> like the homebrewed “best grips ever” that’s some weird combo of twine, 
>> wool, and bar tape.)
>>
>> It’s actually an interesting time in the boutique derailer market — kinda 
>> reminds me of the proliferation of CNC designs in the 90’s. There’s the 
>> upcoming Vivo Enduro (https://vivocycling.com/), which I preordered. 
>> I’ll probably install that on my Gus. The Madrone Jab is also in 
>> development (https://madronecycles.com/products/jab-derailleur), which 
>> offers a fair amount of customization.
>>
>> I don’t have an axe to grind with Shimano/SRAM/Campy, but I like that 
>> there are alternatives, and I’m happy to spend a few bucks to support small 
>> domestic manufacturers that prioritize serviceability and a “right to 
>> repair” ethos.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it, 
>> presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a 
>> non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift 
>> derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> Clearlake CA 
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[Michael Connors]

[image: microshiftr10.jpg]
Looks like it borrowed a lot from this model, with different cable pull and 
spring attachment.


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[RBW] Re: The Riv low-normal derailer

[Jason Fuller]

I don't find it unattractive, though it would have been more fun if it kept 
the older vintage style. I have tried to embrace rapid rise but it's not 
for me, never worked as flawlessly as my M952's. Glad it's happening and 
their Silver brand continues to expand. 


On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 15:37:24 UTC-8 ian m wrote:

> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:32:54 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I think it looks splendid, and I am happy that the immense work they did 
> will result in the existence of a bike part that would otherwise not exist. 
>  I'll buy four.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> I'm with BL here, and if this is anywhere close to Microshift pricepoint 
> I'm very excited indeed 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Riv low-normal derailer

[David]

Out of the hundreds of bike components I’ve owned in my life, I can’t think of 
one that’s better than the trusted 952. Shimano should reissue it and keep it 
in production forever.

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> On Saturday, Dec 07, 2024 at 8:54 PM, Jason Fuller  (mailto:jtf.ful...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> I don't find it unattractive, though it would have been more fun if it kept 
> the older vintage style. I have tried to embrace rapid rise but it's not for 
> me, never worked as flawlessly as my M952's. Glad it's happening and their 
> Silver brand continues to expand.
>
>
> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 15:37:24 UTC-8 ian m wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:32:54 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> > > I think it looks splendid, and I am happy that the immense work they did 
> > > will result in the existence of a bike part that would otherwise not 
> > > exist. I'll buy four.
> > >
> > > Bill Lindsay
> > > El Cerrito, CA
> > >
> >
> > I'm with BL here, and if this is anywhere close to Microshift pricepoint 
> > I'm very excited indeed
>
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[RBW] Re: The Riv low-normal derailer

[Bill Lindsay]

I think it looks splendid, and I am happy that the immense work they did 
will result in the existence of a bike part that would otherwise not exist. 
 I'll buy four.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:49:38 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it, 
> presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a 
> non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift 
> derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> Clearlake CA 
>
> [image: Screenshot_20241207_072221.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: The Riv low-normal derailer

[Bill Lindsay]

...AND the mounting bolt is 7075 aluminum!  Weight weenies!

BL in EC

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 8:32:54 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I think it looks splendid, and I am happy that the immense work they did 
> will result in the existence of a bike part that would otherwise not exist. 
>  I'll buy four.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 7:49:38 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it, 
>> presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a 
>> non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift 
>> derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> Clearlake CA 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20241207_072221.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[Jay Lonner]

I’ll probably buy one, even though I don’t have any immediate use for it — I just like supporting Grant’s little passion projects. I’m not put off by the appearance. (Sometimes the Riv aesthetic goes too far even for me, like the homebrewed “best grips ever” that’s some weird combo of twine, wool, and bar tape.)It’s actually an interesting time in the boutique derailer market — kinda reminds me of the proliferation of CNC designs in the 90’s. There’s the upcoming Vivo Enduro (https://vivocycling.com/), which I preordered. I’ll probably install that on my Gus. The Madrone Jab is also in development (https://madronecycles.com/products/jab-derailleur), which offers a fair amount of customization.I don’t have an axe to grind with Shimano/SRAM/Campy, but I like that there are alternatives, and I’m happy to spend a few bucks to support small domestic manufacturers that prioritize serviceability and a “right to repair” ethos.Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Dec 7, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it, presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts? Joe Bernard Clearlake CA 



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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[Johnny Alien]

Tried the reverse thing a few times and I haven't been converted. Actually 
I will say that i never really got converted to friction being superior to 
index and thats probably part of the problem. On top of that I agree that 
these don't visually appeal to me as much as the original designs that 
Grant did. Mainly (and by mainly I mean totally) due to the small pulley. 
One thing I DID get converted to was loving the look of a big pulley RD.

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 4:31:23 PM UTC-5 Dan wrote:

> If it looks anything like this I think it will be great. That’s quite 
> classy and minimal compared to other RDs currently on the market. I mean, 
> Cues and Sword look like robots!
>
> On Sunday, 8 December 2024 at 07:12:39 UTC+10:30 Michael Connors wrote:
>
>> [image: microshiftr10.jpg]
>> Looks like it borrowed a lot from this model, with different cable pull 
>> and spring attachment.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jack the Bike Rack

['Timothy Whitfeld' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Appreciate the comments. Looks like a split decision but it’s useful to
hear some real world experiences. Maybe I should have mentioned that I’ll
have Albatross handlebars, Silver thumb shifters, Paul Love levers, and
V-brakes (Shimano DXR MX70).

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 12:39 PM Conway Bennett <
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> Tim,
>
> I feel compelled to reply since the jack the bike rack is one of my
> favorite bike accessories that I've ever purchased, and its the only thing
> that I have bought through crowdfunding.  I hate having racks permanently
> attached to my bikes--I have wasted too much time installing them to
> ultimately remove them then have them sit and then market, pack, and ship
> them.  The jack the bike rack works exactly as advertised, and it is easy
> on/easy off.  It literally takes moments, and has absolutely no play--I
> will prove too.  I had it setup with a wald 137 and analog/fifth season
> squall sack and/or cargo net, but I recently bought an outer shell 137
> basket bag because I wanted a rando closure for the access.  As much as I
> like roll top bags like the squall sack, I prefer them for long-term
> storage, not day-to-day use.  Also, I have used this rack on wide drop bars
> and with v brakes.  I'm not sure where the interjection regarding
> canti/center pulls came from, but I bet that they would work just fine with
> this rack.  I can only speculate, but I think you could use the largest of
> handlebar bags, and this rack would be a fine support for them.  I think
> the peck deck/rod steward is the worst compromise between a mechanically
> secure rack and the jack the bike rack.
>
> I do have an extra jack the bike rack, black 137, and squall sack that was
> underutilized on my wife's bike that I'm passively selling if you want to
> buy it.  I personally don't need two with how easy it is to swap between
> bikes.
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:46:45 AM UTC-6 velomann wrote:
>
>> Wow.
>> My experience with the Jack Rack is the polar opposite of the criticisms
>> here. I got in on the Kickstarter 2-for-1 after favorable preview reviews
>> from Path Less Pedaled and Terry Berentson, and I love the two racks I have
>> so much that I purchased a third.
>>
>> But my uses are specific and whether you like the rack will probably
>> depend on what you're carrying and what your other options are. One of my
>> racks is mounted on my beater 1990 Diamondback Apex MTB. This is my
>> commuter, lock up outside the schools where I sub, all purpose bike, and
>> the bag I usually carry is a prototype North St large-ish Carradice-style
>> saddlebag with a shoulder strap, Easy to bungee down on the rack, easy to
>> remove. The other bike with a Jack Rack is my fixie, and I find the rack
>> absolutely perfect for strapping down a messenger bag or the North St. bag
>> or whatever and carrying whatever s*** I want when I'm riding fixed.
>>
>> I have almost no sway with the racks, and I'm just guessing but I figure
>> I regularly exceed the weight capacity and so far it has been a complete
>> non-issue.
>>
>> I should also say that I have a real aversion to front racks that attach
>> to the fork dropouts, as well as using P-clamps to mount anything on the
>> fork, mostly for aesthetic reasons, but also because it's another strut to
>> get in the way of stuff. I do have Several bikes with various Nitto front
>> racks (M12, M18, 32F) and love those as well, but comparison with the Jack
>> Rack is apples & oranges for me - it works great for the applications I use
>> it for.
>>
>> Also, I have not (yet) mounted a Wald 137 to a Jack Rack, but I know
>> people who have and it seems to be a great use of the rack.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Friday, December 6, 2024 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-8 Tim Whitfeld wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone in the group have experience with Jack the Bike Rack? It's
>>> appealing to easily switch a rack like this between bikes but only if it
>>> works as advertised!
>>>
>>> Is a handlebar rack even necessary to support a handlebar bag (e.g.,
>>> Zeitgeist from Swift Industries or Goldback/Piccolo from BagsxBird)? Does
>>> an unsupported bag flop around or scuff the headtube? I've only ever used a
>>> pannier but like the idea of a more easily accessible handlebar bag. This
>>> would be for a Sam Hillborne. Thanks, Tim
>>>
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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[Josh C]

It looks good. It's not quite as good as my favorite, the Shimano xtr M960, 
but I'll buy a few. I'm not quite happy with whatever came on my wife's 
complete Platy, so swapping that with a Silver component would be nice. 

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 5:17:14 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Tried the reverse thing a few times and I haven't been converted. Actually 
> I will say that i never really got converted to friction being superior to 
> index and thats probably part of the problem. On top of that I agree that 
> these don't visually appeal to me as much as the original designs that 
> Grant did. Mainly (and by mainly I mean totally) due to the small pulley. 
> One thing I DID get converted to was loving the look of a big pulley RD.
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 4:31:23 PM UTC-5 Dan wrote:
>
>> If it looks anything like this I think it will be great. That’s quite 
>> classy and minimal compared to other RDs currently on the market. I mean, 
>> Cues and Sword look like robots!
>>
>> On Sunday, 8 December 2024 at 07:12:39 UTC+10:30 Michael Connors wrote:
>>
>>> [image: microshiftr10.jpg]
>>> Looks like it borrowed a lot from this model, with different cable pull 
>>> and spring attachment.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jack the Bike Rack

[Conway Bennett]

Tim,

The only limiting factor for the rack would a stem with positive rise or
extremely short/zero reach, but that shouldn't be a problem with a
traditional albatross setup.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024, 4:26 PM 'Timothy Whitfeld' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Appreciate the comments. Looks like a split decision but it’s useful to
> hear some real world experiences. Maybe I should have mentioned that I’ll
> have Albatross handlebars, Silver thumb shifters, Paul Love levers, and
> V-brakes (Shimano DXR MX70).
>
> On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 12:39 PM Conway Bennett <
> captainconwaybenn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tim,
>>
>> I feel compelled to reply since the jack the bike rack is one of my
>> favorite bike accessories that I've ever purchased, and its the only thing
>> that I have bought through crowdfunding.  I hate having racks permanently
>> attached to my bikes--I have wasted too much time installing them to
>> ultimately remove them then have them sit and then market, pack, and ship
>> them.  The jack the bike rack works exactly as advertised, and it is easy
>> on/easy off.  It literally takes moments, and has absolutely no play--I
>> will prove too.  I had it setup with a wald 137 and analog/fifth season
>> squall sack and/or cargo net, but I recently bought an outer shell 137
>> basket bag because I wanted a rando closure for the access.  As much as I
>> like roll top bags like the squall sack, I prefer them for long-term
>> storage, not day-to-day use.  Also, I have used this rack on wide drop bars
>> and with v brakes.  I'm not sure where the interjection regarding
>> canti/center pulls came from, but I bet that they would work just fine with
>> this rack.  I can only speculate, but I think you could use the largest of
>> handlebar bags, and this rack would be a fine support for them.  I think
>> the peck deck/rod steward is the worst compromise between a mechanically
>> secure rack and the jack the bike rack.
>>
>> I do have an extra jack the bike rack, black 137, and squall sack that
>> was underutilized on my wife's bike that I'm passively selling if you want
>> to buy it.  I personally don't need two with how easy it is to swap between
>> bikes.
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:46:45 AM UTC-6 velomann wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>> My experience with the Jack Rack is the polar opposite of the criticisms
>>> here. I got in on the Kickstarter 2-for-1 after favorable preview reviews
>>> from Path Less Pedaled and Terry Berentson, and I love the two racks I have
>>> so much that I purchased a third.
>>>
>>> But my uses are specific and whether you like the rack will probably
>>> depend on what you're carrying and what your other options are. One of my
>>> racks is mounted on my beater 1990 Diamondback Apex MTB. This is my
>>> commuter, lock up outside the schools where I sub, all purpose bike, and
>>> the bag I usually carry is a prototype North St large-ish Carradice-style
>>> saddlebag with a shoulder strap, Easy to bungee down on the rack, easy to
>>> remove. The other bike with a Jack Rack is my fixie, and I find the rack
>>> absolutely perfect for strapping down a messenger bag or the North St. bag
>>> or whatever and carrying whatever s*** I want when I'm riding fixed.
>>>
>>> I have almost no sway with the racks, and I'm just guessing but I figure
>>> I regularly exceed the weight capacity and so far it has been a complete
>>> non-issue.
>>>
>>> I should also say that I have a real aversion to front racks that attach
>>> to the fork dropouts, as well as using P-clamps to mount anything on the
>>> fork, mostly for aesthetic reasons, but also because it's another strut to
>>> get in the way of stuff. I do have Several bikes with various Nitto front
>>> racks (M12, M18, 32F) and love those as well, but comparison with the Jack
>>> Rack is apples & oranges for me - it works great for the applications I use
>>> it for.
>>>
>>> Also, I have not (yet) mounted a Wald 137 to a Jack Rack, but I know
>>> people who have and it seems to be a great use of the rack.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 6, 2024 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-8 Tim Whitfeld wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone in the group have experience with Jack the Bike Rack? It's
 appealing to easily switch a rack like this between bikes but only if it
 works as advertised!

 Is a handlebar rack even necessary to support a handlebar bag (e.g.,
 Zeitgeist from Swift Industries or Goldback/Piccolo from BagsxBird)? Does
 an unsupported bag flop around or scuff the headtube? I've only ever used a
 pannier but like the idea of a more easily accessible handlebar bag. This
 would be for a Sam Hillborne. Thanks, Tim

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[RBW] Re: Jack the Bike Rack

[velomann]

Wow.
My experience with the Jack Rack is the polar opposite of the criticisms 
here. I got in on the Kickstarter 2-for-1 after favorable preview reviews 
from Path Less Pedaled and Terry Berentson, and I love the two racks I have 
so much that I purchased a third.

But my uses are specific and whether you like the rack will probably depend 
on what you're carrying and what your other options are. One of my racks is 
mounted on my beater 1990 Diamondback Apex MTB. This is my commuter, lock 
up outside the schools where I sub, all purpose bike, and the bag I usually 
carry is a prototype North St large-ish Carradice-style  saddlebag with a 
shoulder strap, Easy to bungee down on the rack, easy to remove. The other 
bike with a Jack Rack is my fixie, and I find the rack absolutely perfect 
for strapping down a messenger bag or the North St. bag or whatever and 
carrying whatever s*** I want when I'm riding fixed. 

I have almost no sway with the racks, and I'm just guessing but I figure I 
regularly exceed the weight capacity and so far it has been a complete 
non-issue.

I should also say that I have a real aversion to front racks that attach to 
the fork dropouts, as well as using P-clamps to mount anything on the fork, 
mostly for aesthetic reasons, but also because it's another strut to get in 
the way of stuff. I do have Several bikes with various Nitto front racks 
(M12, M18, 32F) and love those as well, but comparison with the Jack Rack 
is apples & oranges for me - it works great for the applications I use it 
for. 

Also, I have not (yet) mounted a Wald 137 to a Jack Rack, but I know people 
who have and it seems to be a great use of the rack.

Mike M

On Friday, December 6, 2024 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-8 Tim Whitfeld wrote:

> Does anyone in the group have experience with Jack the Bike Rack? It's 
> appealing to easily switch a rack like this between bikes but only if it 
> works as advertised! 
>
> Is a handlebar rack even necessary to support a handlebar bag (e.g., 
> Zeitgeist from Swift Industries or Goldback/Piccolo from BagsxBird)? Does 
> an unsupported bag flop around or scuff the headtube? I've only ever used a 
> pannier but like the idea of a more easily accessible handlebar bag. This 
> would be for a Sam Hillborne. Thanks, Tim
>

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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[Dan]

If it looks anything like this I think it will be great. That’s quite 
classy and minimal compared to other RDs currently on the market. I mean, 
Cues and Sword look like robots!

On Sunday, 8 December 2024 at 07:12:39 UTC+10:30 Michael Connors wrote:

> [image: microshiftr10.jpg]
> Looks like it borrowed a lot from this model, with different cable pull 
> and spring attachment.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: RH double: spindle length?

[J-D Bamford]

Just realizing my Gen1 RH crank is only ideal for 5-9 speed, with 10 speed 
only recommended with Ultegra chain (but apparently still not optimum). 
Perhaps part of throwing my chain is also trying to 10sp on Gen1 with 
what's probably a SRAM chain or Shimano cheaper than Ult.


On Thursday, December 5, 2024 at 10:42:27 PM UTC-7 Austin L wrote:

> I use a 103mm ird with 42-26, sort of a 1x plus bailout setup. Works well, 
> but the front shifting is somewhat dependent on where on the cassette the 
> chain is. I like the low q and quasi 1x chainline.
>
> Austin
>
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2024 at 6:03:20 PM UTC-8 isp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For a Rene Herse double crank (46-30) on a trad’ish randonneur (130mm 
>> rear spacing, 700x32mm tire clearance + fenders, straight chainstays not 
>> curved)… what actual BB spindle lengths have people had success with? I’m 
>> aware of the RH charts… one chart suggests 110mm and the other chart 
>> suggests 107mm - so I’m more curious about actual experience ‘from the 
>> field’.
>>
>>
>> Origin of my inquiry… poor FD shifts (FSA/IRD “compact double”, I’ve 
>> tried them both)… either it throws my chain beyond the big ring and onto 
>> the crank arm… or I limit its travel and it won’t shift big at all. The 
>> narrow Q on the RH crank arm minimizes any experimentation with FD cage 
>> angle. And my cage sits just a mm or two above the big ring, akin to 
>> Shimano’s alignment sticker. So now I’m wondering if my 113mm spindle puts 
>> the FD cage too far out in its swing. I could easily fit a 110mm spindle, 
>> and probably 107mm based on eyeballing clearance to the chainstays. Maybe 
>> shorter spindles would improve FD throw/alignment? Thanks in advance for 
>> any thoughts on this wandering missive. 
>>
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[RBW] WTT: RH 171 for 177 dbl crank

[J-D Bamford]

Circa 2014 i got a Rene Herse double crank back when IIRC they only had 
171cm arms (currently running it 10sp, not sure if it goes to 11). But i 
have long legs and miss having longer crank arms. Curious if anyone has the 
177cm double crank arms and wants to trade. Mine are in good condition, 
only a few thousand miles since i’m a busy working parent. There’s scuffing 
where the arm meets the spider, due to thrown chain/shift. Will update this 
post with a pic later if anyone’s interested. 

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Re: [RBW] The Riv low-normal derailer

[Conway Bennett]

As Tom Hanks said in Big, "I don't get it".  Why would you want a derailer 
to move towards your wheel?  If some dunce loosens their low limit screw 
too much, their rear wheel is toast.  The upside is faster shifting uphill, 
but it just seems like diminishing returns to me.  More and more, Riv's 
products are not landing with me.  If I were riv, I would have just 
cosmetically redesigned the advent X rear to be smoother and silver.  I'll 
end by paraphrasing a quote from crust bikes, if you like it but it.  If 
not, complain about it online.
On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 12:52:38 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:

> Yeah, I also have mixed feelings about the look in the drawing. I’ll 
> reserve judgement until I see an actual product. 
>
> Regardless of the looks, I’m still going to grab some. I’m so glad this 
> extremely unlikely project is actually coming to fruition.
>
> Jim
>
> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:40:05 AM UTC-5 Jay Lonner wrote:
>
>> I’ll probably buy one, even though I don’t have any immediate use for it 
>> — I just like supporting Grant’s little passion projects. I’m not put off 
>> by the appearance. (Sometimes the Riv aesthetic goes too far even for me, 
>> like the homebrewed “best grips ever” that’s some weird combo of twine, 
>> wool, and bar tape.)
>>
>> It’s actually an interesting time in the boutique derailer market — kinda 
>> reminds me of the proliferation of CNC designs in the 90’s. There’s the 
>> upcoming Vivo Enduro (https://vivocycling.com/), which I preordered. 
>> I’ll probably install that on my Gus. The Madrone Jab is also in 
>> development (https://madronecycles.com/products/jab-derailleur), which 
>> offers a fair amount of customization.
>>
>> I don’t have an axe to grind with Shimano/SRAM/Campy, but I like that 
>> there are alternatives, and I’m happy to spend a few bucks to support small 
>> domestic manufacturers that prioritize serviceability and a “right to 
>> repair” ethos.
>>
>> Jay Lonner
>> Bellingham, WA
>>
>> Sent from my Atari 400
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2024, at 7:49 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> The latest Blahg states that MicroShift has agreed to produce it, 
>> presumably making it possible for Riv to sell a rear derailer at a 
>> non-insane price. Which is great but now it looks like a MicroShift 
>> derailer and I have mixed feelings about this. Thoughts? 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> Clearlake CA 
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The Riv low-normal derailer

[Josh C]

I agree that the 952 is a good derailleur, same with the m951 and m960 (the 
best-looking xtr derailleur), but now you have to buy one used with 5000 
miles on it and scratched all to crap on eBay for $80 plus shipping and 
then replace the old sticky jockey wheels for another $18 plus change. It'd 
be nice to have another option that will continue to be produced. I 
personally don't care much about rapid rise or not. I am not one to notice 
small details like that and tend to adapt quickly to subtle differences. 
I've got both on different bikes, and after a shift or two (friction 
shifters), I adjust, and it doesn't bother me either way. 

On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 9:00:17 PM UTC-5 dros...@gmail.com wrote:

> Out of the hundreds of bike components I’ve owned in my life, I can’t 
> think of one that’s better than the trusted 952. Shimano should reissue it 
> and keep it in production forever. 
>
> --
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>
> On Saturday, Dec 07, 2024 at 8:54 PM, Jason Fuller  
> wrote:
>
> I don't find it unattractive, though it would have been more fun if it 
> kept the older vintage style. I have tried to embrace rapid rise but it's 
> not for me, never worked as flawlessly as my M952's. Glad it's happening 
> and their Silver brand continues to expand. 
>
>
> On Saturday, 7 December 2024 at 15:37:24 UTC-8 ian m wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, December 7, 2024 at 11:32:54 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I think it looks splendid, and I am happy that the immense work they did 
>> will result in the existence of a bike part that would otherwise not exist. 
>>  I'll buy four.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>> I'm with BL here, and if this is anywhere close to Microshift pricepoint 
>> I'm very excited indeed 
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[RBW] Sam/Roadini Comparisons with wheel size difference

[dane...@gmail.com]

Hey

So I've been enjoying my Roadini and taking it on everything from paved 
roads/dirt roads to some chunky stuff.  I'm 5 foot 7 with short legs, 670 
ish saddle height with 155 cranks.
The Roadini is a size 50 which has a 55 ETT.  I'm running a 70mm stem with 
short reach drops.  I'm a little on the edge of sizing with the bike.  
Also, every time I throw the 32mm tires back on after riding 44s for a 
while,  I prefer the handling and am thinking about a switch to a similar 
650b bike so I can get the sameish wheel diameter size with a 42/48 to 
maintain that feeling with a wider tire.  I've had a few 650b bikes but 
they were all low trail, which I decided I don't really like after all.  
The 48cm Sam is 650b and I'm wondering if I'll be giving up any of the more 
road-ish feel of the bike with the same build but in 650b form on the Sam?  
Seems the Sam would be a little more versatile and have better braking 
options, but a degree slacker STA and the HTA down to 71 from 72 on he 650b 
Homer.   Wheelbase is about 10mm longer on the Homer.   Anybody have any 
experience here?  The other possibility for me is possibly getting a custom 
bike made, but we're talking double the price so I'm curious if maybe I 
could make the Sam work.  

Thanks
-Dan

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