Re: [RBW] Re: 135mm rear hub

[Will Boericke]

Interesting.  The Novatec rear I had was not silent.  I think there's a lot
of variability in their different models

On Mon, Dec 2, 2024, 10:38 AM Kim H.  wrote:

> @Cormac
>
> "I've always preferred silent hub"
>
> The rear Novatech stock cartridge bearing hub on my Clem runs silent. I
> love running silent after all the years of listening to freewheels.
> The spacing is 135. They are available in 36 holes. I have a 32 hole hub.
>
> Kim Hetzel.
>
> On Friday, November 29, 2024 at 7:47:27 AM UTC-8 okeeffe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> That sucks. I've always preferred silent hubs.
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, 20:38 Brian Turner,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hope hubs are nice and robust, but be forewarned - they are among the
>>> loudest I’ve owned. I have one on my Crust. Louder than White and Chris
>>> King, in my experience.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Lex KY
>>>
>>> On Nov 28, 2024, at 2:30 PM, Cormac O'Keeffe 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Andy.  I reckon I'll go for the Hope hub. Dearer than some,
>>> cheaper than others and apparently it just keeps on rolling.
>>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 2:07:37 PM UTC+1 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 Without additional speculations or input on the world of 135mm, 36°
 rear hubs I definitely recommend the Silver cassette hub from Rivendell. I
 now have a 36° 135mm that Harry built with a Pacenti Brevet rim that he
 had. I sought the steel cassette body specifically.

 This wheel replaced a 135mm, 32° Suzue Classica freehub with a Pacenti
 Brevet 9-spd with an aluminum freehub body. I detected and isolated a sort
 of creak/click similar to a crank arm in need of tightening that I was not
 tolerant of.

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh

 On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 5:25:45 AM UTC-4 okeeffe...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Hi,
> I know that Rivendell, White Industries and Velo Orange all sell 135mm
> rear hubs, but does anyone know of some places (ideally Europe) that sell
> 135mm 35H rear hubs?
> Cheers,
> C
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[RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Armand Kizirian]

For reference, I reduced the weight of my Platypus Complete by 5.75lbs. I 
stripped the parts entirely for another frame, which was the plan from the 
get go. The list below shows the weight difference of parts. It is mostly 
complete, but missing brakes and some other accessories, because I 
ultimately lost interest and just wanted to finish the bike and ride it. :) 

[image: platypus weight savings.png]

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> CONFIRMED!  All of you who bought a CLEM complete from Rivendell are now 
> confirmed as Weight Weenies!!  Pop those reflectors off to save a gram or 
> two!
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 9:33:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are 
>> impressively light.  
>>
>>
>> As I posted earlier in this thread, I weighed a pair of them at 272g, 
>> including the plastic shrink-wrap holding them together :-)  The only 
>> pedals I have that are lighter are Eggbeater 11 (titanium axles).
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Ted Durant]

> On Dec 2, 2024, at 2:10 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:
> 
> For reference, I reduced the weight of my Platypus Complete by 5.75lbs.

That’s amazing. Particularly interesting how much weight was saved in the 
wheels. Swap those pedals for Clems!  Is the replacement seatpost also 300mm? 
I’m wondering if you could have saved weight just by trimming excess from the 
Nitto 83?


Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[John Williams]

LOOKING FOR 55-IS TIRES? IMHO, YOU CANNOT BEAT 
THE 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx55-antelope-hill-tc/

Rolling perfection...get the ultra lights and run about 27psi for the ride 
of your life!

Happy Trails, 
JRW

On Sunday, December 1, 2024 at 5:49:38 PM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com wrote:

> To close this chapter. My LBS had a bunch of tires on discount and I 
> grabbed a pair of 29x2.2 Kendas for $30 total - Saber Pros. I decided to 
> give them a try.
>
> I've been running them tubeless for a couple of weeks and they are 
> fantastic. I've not embiggened the front cog yet, but at my comfortable 
> cadence I'm over 17MPH. Mission Accomplished!
>
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 2:35 PM dane...@gmail.com  
> wrote:
>
>> If you want an even higher gear e13 9t cassettes are an option also. 
>>
>> -Dan
>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2024 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> You definitely can make your highest gear higher by using bigger tires, 
>>> BUT the differences are small.  Let's look at the numbers objectively:
>>>
>>> Running a 32x11 as your highest gear on a bike with 700x44 wheels, you 
>>> are talking about a top gear that is roughly 81 gear inches.  Pedaling at 
>>> 60RPM you'll be going 14.5MPH.  Pedaling at 110RPM, you'll be going 
>>> 26.6MPH.  81 gear inches is not that high a top gear.  
>>>
>>> Many cyclists complain that they spin out at 81 gear inches, and those 
>>> people self identify as mashers.  They like to push hard at low RPM.  They 
>>> don't want to pedal at 110RPM, but they want to go faster at lower 
>>> cadence.  That's cool.  Get higher gears to do it.  
>>>
>>> Going from a 32 to a 34 increases that top gear by about 6% to about 
>>> 86.5 gear inches.  Pedaling slowly at 60RPM, you'll be going about 1 mile 
>>> per hour faster, 15.5MPH.  That's a small improvement
>>>
>>> Going from 44mm tires to 55mm tires increases the wheel diameter by 
>>> 20mm.  That's about a 3% increase in diameter, so it increases the gear 
>>> inches by about 3% to about 89 gear inches.  It's about HALF the benefit 
>>> you got from switching the chainring.  Now mashing at 60RPM will make you 
>>> go another half a mile per hour faster, to something like 16MPH.  
>>>
>>> Hypothetically if you could switch to a SRAM Eagle cassette which is 
>>> 10-52, then your top gear would jump up by ~10%.  In other words, switching 
>>> from an 11T to a 10T cog would make more of a difference than changing both 
>>> the chain ring and the tires.  That's simple, but it's expensive.  
>>>
>>> If you made all of the above changes, we're talking about an 18% 
>>> increase.  Hypothetically if you could train yourself to pedal 20% faster, 
>>> then you'd make more of an impact and do it for free.  Pedaling faster is 
>>> free if you are able to do it.  Many claim that spinning is more efficient 
>>> also.  Many claim that they are far more able to spin when running shorter 
>>> cranks.  If you are already a spinner and already maxing out at 26MPH or 
>>> faster and need to go still faster, then higher gearing is the way to go.  
>>> Best of luck on all of it. 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks. Oh, the bigger chainring up front is definitely happening.

 I'm running 44s and can go a bit wider, but I guess I was asking 
 specifically for tires that people know are "taller" as well, that is that 
 increase the overall diameter of the wheel. I appreciate the skepticism 
 regarding the suggestion, but this is a VERY well known and trusted LBS, 
 with excellent staff, who think about these things a lot in a variety of 
 setups (not just Rivendell, Waterford, etc., though they do that too).

 On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 PM Drew Saunders  
 wrote:

> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36 
> cassette, and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no 
> option for 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled. 
> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>
> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>
> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>
> Get the bigger chainring!
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> It's hard for me to imagine that increasing your tire size is going 
>> to have much (any?) actual effect on speed.  Which I assume is what 
>> we're 
>> targeting here?  In my stable, once I get beyond 38mm, I take for 
>> granted 
>> that those bikes will be slower.  I'm not sure I c

[RBW] Re: Charlie Gallop pre-installed bottom bracket

[moshmosh]

I just swapped the BB on my new CHG – the original is 113mm. Hope that 
helps. 
On Thursday, November 28, 2024 at 5:29:20 PM UTC-8 Jim S. wrote:

> I'm the proud owner of a Charlie Gallop frame. It comes with a 
> pre-installed bottom bracket. But I can't figure out what size it is. I was 
> hoping somebody knew. I don't really want to remove it if it's the size I 
> need. Thanks in advance for any info.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Autumn cleaning

[Eric Karnes]

Updated list. Almost everything has sold. Feel free to make me an offer on 
the Thomson seatpost if you're interested in a black Roadini build...

Ultradynamico Gray Rose Race 700C x 42 (pair, new, still in shipping box) 
SOLD

Tange 110mm BB (for use with a Riv Wide/Low) (new) SOLD

New Albion Clipper (XD2 clone) silver crankset 48/36/26, 170mm (new) SOLD

Soma Hwy One bar 44cm 31.8 (like new, never mounted) Free if you can pick 
up in South Philly

VO 100mm 31.8 stem quill stem, nickel finish (new in bag) SOLD

Carradice Bagman Saddle bag holder (great condition) SOLD

Black Thomson 26.8 setback seatpost (new) 70.00 or Make me an offer!

Used Deore XT M750 rear hub, solid condition, SOLD

NOS Deore XT M737 front hub: SOLD


Free with any of the above:

Specialized Ergonomic clamp-on grips GIVEN AWAY

Orange Voile strap set (new) GIVEN AWAY

VO threaded to threadless adapter GIVEN AWAY


Thanks!

On Monday, November 25, 2024 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-5 Eric Karnes wrote:

> Updated list with price drops...
>
> Ultradynamico Gray Rose Race 700C x 42 (pair, new, still in shipping box) 
> SOLD
>
> Tange 110mm BB (for use with a Riv Wide/Low) (new) SOLD
>
> New Albion Clipper (XD2 clone) silver crankset 48/36/26, 170mm (new) 40.00 
> (20.00 if you pick up in South Philly)
>
> Soma Hwy One bar 44cm 31.8 (like new, never mounted) Free if you can pick 
> up in South Philly
>
> VO 100mm 31.8 stem quill stem, nickel finish (new in bag) 50.00
>
> Carradice Bagman Saddle bag holder (great condition) SOLD
>
> Black Thomson 26.8 setback seatpost (new) 70.00
>
> Used Deore XT M750 rear hub, solid condition, SOLD
>
> NOS Deore XT M737 front hub: SOLD
>
>
> Free with any of the above:
>
> Specialized Ergonomic clamp-on grips GIVEN AWAY
>
> Orange Voile strap set (new) GIVEN AWAY
>
> VO threaded to threadless adapter
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Saturday, November 23, 2024 at 6:52:18 PM UTC-5 Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Updated list..
>
>
> Ultradynamico Gray Rose Race 700C x 42 (pair, new, still in shipping box) 
> 150.00
>
> Tange 110mm BB (for use with a Riv Wide/Low) (new) SOLD
>
> New Albion Clipper (XD2 clone) silver crankset 48/36/26, 170mm (new) 50.00 
> (x2)
>
> Soma Hwy One bar 44cm 31.8 (like new, never mounted) 40.00
>
> VO 100mm 31.8 stem quill stem, nickel finish (new in bag) 60.00
>
> Carradice Bagman Saddle bag holder (great condition) SOLD
>
> Black Thomson 26.8 setback seatpost (new) 75.00
>
> Used Deore XT M750 rear hub, solid condition, SOLD
>
> NOS Deore XT M737 front hub: SOLD
>
>
> Free with any of the above:
>
> Specialized Ergonomic clamp-on grips GIVEN AWAY
>
> Orange Voile strap set (new) GIVEN AWAY
>
> VO threaded to threadless adapter
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 8:34:48 PM UTC-5 Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
>
> Apologies for the multiple for sale posts. I’m doing some autumn cleaning 
> before an apartment move and have some (mostly new) Riv-ish parts that I 
> don’t need anymore. Some of them came from a planned Roadini build that I 
> ended up abandoning. All prices include USPS shipping CONUS:
>
>
> Ultradynamico Gray Rose Race 700C x 42 (pair, new, still in shipping box) 
> 150.00
>
> Tange 110mm BB (for use with a Riv Wide/Low) (new) 30.00
>
> New Albion Clipper (XD2 clone) silver crankset 48/36/26, 170mm (new) 50.00 
> (x2)
>
> Soma Hwy One bar 44cm 31.8 (like new, never mounted) 40.00
>
> VO 100mm 31.8 stem quill stem, nickel finish (new in bag) 60.00
>
> Carradice Bagman Saddle bag holder (great condition) 30.00
>
> Black Thomson 26.8 setback seatpost (new) 75.00
>
> Used Deore XT M750 rear hub, solid condition, 30.00
>
> NOS Deore XT M737 front hub: 30.00
>
>
> Free with any of the above:
>
> Specialized Ergonomic clamp-on grips
>
> Orange Voile strap set (new)
>
> VO threaded to threadless adapter
>
>
> Photos:
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kOX-FDnsJdsFN--fBp8TLme9QTuocVHM?usp=sharing
>
>
> Any questions, feel free to PM me. Thanks!
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] 51cm Toyo Atlantis in South Florida: Intro Post

[Brian Turner]

Welcome, Christian! I’ve certainly been enjoying your posts on Instagram, and 
I’m sure others will here as well. Looking forward to seeing more sunny FL 
Rivendell content!

Brian
Lexington KY 

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Re: [RBW] The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Ted Durant]

> On Dec 2, 2024, at 9:33 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> The spreadsheet is now at a very svelte 8999.2 grams.  

That is impressive - well done, Bill!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: 135mm rear hub

[Kim H.]

@Will

Did you have it serviced regularly ? or did you service yourself in 
re-greasing the cartridge bearing hub ?

I recently had my rear hub serviced in re-greasing it with Dumonde Tech 
Freehub Bicycle Bike Grease Lube of which I personally bought from a 
member's recommendation. My rear hub was making slight clicking noises now 
and then. No sound now whatsoever. 

Was your Novatech wheelset from with a purchase of Rivendell bicycle ?

Kim Hetzel.

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:45:30 AM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:

> Interesting.  The Novatec rear I had was not silent.  I think there's a 
> lot of variability in their different models
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2024, 10:38 AM Kim H.  wrote:
>
>> @Cormac
>>
>> "I've always preferred silent hub"
>>
>> The rear Novatech stock cartridge bearing hub on my Clem runs silent. I 
>> love running silent after all the years of listening to freewheels. 
>> The spacing is 135. They are available in 36 holes. I have a 32 hole hub.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Friday, November 29, 2024 at 7:47:27 AM UTC-8 okeeffe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That sucks. I've always preferred silent hubs. 
>>>
>>> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, 20:38 Brian Turner,  wrote:
>>>
 Hope hubs are nice and robust, but be forewarned - they are among the 
 loudest I’ve owned. I have one on my Crust. Louder than White and Chris 
 King, in my experience. 

 Brian
 Lex KY 

 On Nov 28, 2024, at 2:30 PM, Cormac O'Keeffe  
 wrote:

 Thanks Andy.  I reckon I'll go for the Hope hub. Dearer than some, 
 cheaper than others and apparently it just keeps on rolling.
 On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 2:07:37 PM UTC+1 ascpgh wrote:

> Without additional speculations or input on the world of 135mm, 36° 
> rear hubs I definitely recommend the Silver cassette hub from Rivendell. 
> I 
> now have a 36° 135mm that Harry built with a Pacenti Brevet rim that he 
> had. I sought the steel cassette body specifically.
>
> This wheel replaced a 135mm, 32° Suzue Classica freehub with a Pacenti 
> Brevet 9-spd with an aluminum freehub body. I detected and isolated a 
> sort 
> of creak/click similar to a crank arm in need of tightening that I was 
> not 
> tolerant of.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 5:25:45 AM UTC-4 okeeffe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I know that Rivendell, White Industries and Velo Orange all sell 
>> 135mm rear hubs, but does anyone know of some places (ideally Europe) 
>> that 
>> sell 135mm 35H rear hubs? 
>> Cheers,
>> C
>>
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[RBW] FS: Paul Neo Retro Brake Set - Black - Very Clean

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

Hello-

Up for sale is a very clean set of Paul Neo Retro brakes. I replaced all of 
the bolts with titanium bolts. Black Moon Units and a new set of Kool-Stop 
brakes are included with the sale. Parts have around 1K miles on them.

*$210/shipped*

Thanks!

Josh
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Bill Lindsay]

"The sum total of all of the above is sitting at 9025g.  The numbers will 
change a little when I get the actual frame set in my hands, and figure out 
places for lighter fasteners."

And indeed a few grams have dropped:  My seatpost and chainring were on my 
porch when I got home from visiting my mom and in-laws for Thanksgiving. 
 My placeholder 195g weight entry for my Dura Ace seatpost became 190g 
confirmed.  That'll drop maybe 15g when I cut it down for the build.  My 
placeholder 70g for a 38T narrow-wide chainring became a confirmed 60g. 
 Finally, my estimated 70g for my single friction thumb shifter became 60g 
confirmed, and includes 13g of steel hardware that I can swap in aluminum 
at about 4g.  The entry in the spreadsheet is still at 60g, though until I 
pull the trigger on a McMaster-Carr bolts order.  The spreadsheet is now at 
a very svelte 8999.2 grams.  

Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are 
impressively light.  I think I have a pair on a hard-to-reach bike in the 
garage.  If they are in fact lighter than my road SPDs then I'll definitely 
use them for at least the weigh-in.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

P.S. I will not be requesting Patrick Moore's hand-me-down pedals, so if 
one of you all want his free light clipless pedals, hit him up.

On Sunday, December 1, 2024 at 5:39:05 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rounding out the build plans there are sections 4 and 5.  Components and 
> Accessories.  Components in a way should come first on a Rivendell build 
> because the first thing we normally think about when defining the broad 
> strokes of a Riv build is the handlebar.  In no particular order, 
> Components looks like:
>
> 4. Components
> A. Handlebar
> B. Stem
> C. Brake Levers
> D. Brake Calipers
> E. Seatpost
> F. Saddle
> G. Grips/Tape
> H. Cables/Housing
>
> My handlebar of choice is the Nitto Jitensha bar. These are kind of 
> classic, particularly in the Bay Area, because of Jitensha Studio.  They 
> are basically a narrow Wavie, or more accurately the Wavie is a wider 
> Jitensha.  The Jitensha bar is an amusing bar to buy on the second hand 
> market.  As a road bar, Nitto always offered it in 26.0mm.  Everybody knows 
> they are 26.0mm, but in my experience, every copy of the Jitensha bar I've 
> seen has passed through the hands of at least one person who either forgot, 
> or doesn't know how to measure their stem, or thinks that 25.4 is close 
> enough to 26.0.  Because of that a used Jitensha bar is usually scratched 
> to hell on the sleeve.  My copy is no different. Still, it's a great 
> handlebar (for me).  The Holy Grail for a light weight build would be the 
> limited release ultralight Jitensha, which is the bulged Nitto treatment 
> rather than sleeved.  My normal weight Jitensha weighs 243g.  The 26.0 
> quill stem is a 1990s Salsa.  It has a normal steel bolt and an aluminum 
> wedge, but I had a little fun with my treasure box.  I have a titanium 
> quill bolt that I bought in 1992, along with a hollowed out wedge.  The 
> reason I had sat on the titanium bolt is that the head is a tiny bit 
> oversized and doesn't quite fit into the recess in the top of normal stems. 
>  This time I was determined so I installed the removable trademark gold 
> aluminum top cap of the Salsa stem, chucked it up in my late-father's lathe 
> and bored it out the ~10-thousandths necessary to allow the bolt head to 
> fit properly.  Swapping out the bolt and wedge dropped 22g and brings the 
> stem in at 252g.  That tuning operation was free.  
>
> There are essentially no choices for brake calipers.  It's long reach 
> Tektros.  They weigh 353g, but I've got a couple tuning moves to try.  One 
> attempt failed.  I guessed that the backbone style Koolstop pads might be 
> lighter than the holder-insert style.  I bought some at Blue Heron and took 
> them home to weigh them and they turned out heavier than the stock holders. 
>  I will probably upgrade the look to the Koolstop holders, because they 
> have a drillium look to them and I'm going to be using E-bike inserts from 
> Riv.  
>
> For brake levers, big-spenders like Paul, and I have long been a fan of 
> the IRD that Riv featured on my RoadUno complete.  I had the IRD levers in 
> the spreadsheet for a while, but I still have an Instead I decided to go 
> WAY cheaper and minimalist, and a good step lighter with Tektro FL-750. 
>  These are the perfect flat bar road levers for builds with caliper brakes. 
>  They are stripped down to the absolute essentials and they work great.  I 
> found them on eBay from a seller who offered cheaper prices the more you 
> buy.  I got four pairs for less than the price of one set of IRD, and they 
> weigh 117g for the pair, and I've got another 10g or so of tuning targeted. 
>  
>
> Seatposts leave most people stuck on 2024 Rivs.  All the nice boutique 
> posts come in 27.2.  All the fancy vintage posts you have laying ar

[RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't follow the math.  The rear wheel math makes sense to me:

Heavy old rear wheel weight - Lighter new rear wheel weight = rear wheel 
weight savings
2252g - 1582g =670g = 23.634 oz (checks out)

Heavy old front wheel weight - Lighter new front wheel weight = front wheel 
weight savings
1942g - 1424g = 518g =18.272 oz (Impressive, but you claim 1188g of savings 
on the front wheel)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 12:10:31 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:

> For reference, I reduced the weight of my Platypus Complete by 5.75lbs. I 
> stripped the parts entirely for another frame, which was the plan from the 
> get go. The list below shows the weight difference of parts. It is mostly 
> complete, but missing brakes and some other accessories, because I 
> ultimately lost interest and just wanted to finish the bike and ride it. :) 
>
> [image: platypus weight savings.png]
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> CONFIRMED!  All of you who bought a CLEM complete from Rivendell are now 
>> confirmed as Weight Weenies!!  Pop those reflectors off to save a gram or 
>> two!
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 9:33:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are 
>>> impressively light.  
>>>
>>>
>>> As I posted earlier in this thread, I weighed a pair of them at 272g, 
>>> including the plastic shrink-wrap holding them together :-)  The only 
>>> pedals I have that are lighter are Eggbeater 11 (titanium axles).
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Bill Lindsay]

Looks like 1188g of savings is the SUM of both wheels reduction.  670g + 
518g = 1,188g Now it makes sense.  Did you double-count the front wheel 
savings in your total though?  Maybe it doesn't matter anymore.  :)

BL in EC

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I don't follow the math.  The rear wheel math makes sense to me:
>
> Heavy old rear wheel weight - Lighter new rear wheel weight = rear wheel 
> weight savings
> 2252g - 1582g =670g = 23.634 oz (checks out)
>
> Heavy old front wheel weight - Lighter new front wheel weight = front 
> wheel weight savings
> 1942g - 1424g = 518g =18.272 oz (Impressive, but you claim 1188g of 
> savings on the front wheel)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 12:10:31 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> For reference, I reduced the weight of my Platypus Complete by 5.75lbs. I 
>> stripped the parts entirely for another frame, which was the plan from the 
>> get go. The list below shows the weight difference of parts. It is mostly 
>> complete, but missing brakes and some other accessories, because I 
>> ultimately lost interest and just wanted to finish the bike and ride it. :) 
>>
>> [image: platypus weight savings.png]
>>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> CONFIRMED!  All of you who bought a CLEM complete from Rivendell are now 
>>> confirmed as Weight Weenies!!  Pop those reflectors off to save a gram or 
>>> two!
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 9:33:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are 
 impressively light.  


 As I posted earlier in this thread, I weighed a pair of them at 272g, 
 including the plastic shrink-wrap holding them together :-)  The only 
 pedals I have that are lighter are Eggbeater 11 (titanium axles).

 Ted Durant
 Milwaukee WI USA

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fall Photos 2024

[John Rinker]

Another stunning photo, Jason! Yes, I'll happily follow you into the dark 
forest and bring the Pilsner. However, it seems mead or barley wine may be 
a more appropriate pairing. 

See you in the Spring!
John

On Sunday, December 1, 2024 at 9:34:32 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I am happy to play tour guide!  These spots are not super hard to get to, 
> but they're well outside the beaten path suffice to say. 
>
> Here is another photo - I spent about an hour in the vicinity of these two 
> massive trees, enjoying a pilsner I brought along specifically for this 
> spot. Also - as evident, the Bombadil is back in action, which means the 
> Susie is but a frameset now again.  It's one or the other! 
>
> [image: PXL_20241201_214223342.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Armand Kizirian]

Whoops! Good catch. From what's identified on that list, the correct total 
is 1938g / 4.27lbs. I feel silly after all that weighing and I didn't weigh 
the complete bike stock. Oh well! 

The 2.5lb+ drop in wheel weight also includes the exceptionally light, 
extralight rene herse casing, and lightweight Schwalbe butyl tubes. Though 
I have foregone both to run the endurance casing tubeless. 

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:46:46 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Looks like 1188g of savings is the SUM of both wheels reduction.  670g + 
> 518g = 1,188g Now it makes sense.  Did you double-count the front wheel 
> savings in your total though?  Maybe it doesn't matter anymore.  :)
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I don't follow the math.  The rear wheel math makes sense to me:
>>
>> Heavy old rear wheel weight - Lighter new rear wheel weight = rear wheel 
>> weight savings
>> 2252g - 1582g =670g = 23.634 oz (checks out)
>>
>> Heavy old front wheel weight - Lighter new front wheel weight = front 
>> wheel weight savings
>> 1942g - 1424g = 518g =18.272 oz (Impressive, but you claim 1188g of 
>> savings on the front wheel)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 12:10:31 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>
>>> For reference, I reduced the weight of my Platypus Complete by 5.75lbs. 
>>> I stripped the parts entirely for another frame, which was the plan from 
>>> the get go. The list below shows the weight difference of parts. It is 
>>> mostly complete, but missing brakes and some other accessories, because I 
>>> ultimately lost interest and just wanted to finish the bike and ride it. :) 
>>>
>>> [image: platypus weight savings.png]
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 CONFIRMED!  All of you who bought a CLEM complete from Rivendell are 
 now confirmed as Weight Weenies!!  Pop those reflectors off to save a gram 
 or two!

 BL in EC

 On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 9:33:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are 
> impressively light.  
>
>
> As I posted earlier in this thread, I weighed a pair of them at 272g, 
> including the plastic shrink-wrap holding them together :-)  The only 
> pedals I have that are lighter are Eggbeater 11 (titanium axles).
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
>


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[RBW] Re: Bruised and Battered in Asheville, NC

[Ted Durant]

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 12:29:22 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

 - But Not Down and Out!

Really nice to hear from Asheville area folks and to see glimmers of hope 
for getting back to something like normal life. I was looking at a cycling 
camp based out of Asheville and wondered if they'd be able to do that this 
coming year.

We had at our Thanksgiving table the 92-year old father of a friend. He had 
lived in Asheville for 30 years, isolated with his Parkinson's-stricken 
partner since COVID and developing a bunch of his own health issues. 
Incredibly, 10 days before the storm hit, our friend brought his father to 
Milwaukee, and the partner's family took her to their home elsewhere in NC. 
The storms wiped out the apartment they had been living in.

I'm sharing a few pics from recent rides. Please excuse the non-Riv content 
(the Ritchey is currently my most MTBish bike). 

Given the long, close relationship between Grant and TR, a Ritchey is 
probably about as Riv-adjacent as you can get (aside from Bridgestone, of 
course).
 
Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: 135mm rear hub

[Kim H.]

@Cormac

"I've always preferred silent hub"

The rear Novatech stock cartridge bearing hub on my Clem runs silent. I 
love running silent after all the years of listening to freewheels. 
The spacing is 135. They are available in 36 holes. I have a 32 hole hub.

Kim Hetzel. 

On Friday, November 29, 2024 at 7:47:27 AM UTC-8 okeeffe...@gmail.com wrote:

> That sucks. I've always preferred silent hubs. 
>
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024, 20:38 Brian Turner,  wrote:
>
>> Hope hubs are nice and robust, but be forewarned - they are among the 
>> loudest I’ve owned. I have one on my Crust. Louder than White and Chris 
>> King, in my experience. 
>>
>> Brian
>> Lex KY 
>>
>> On Nov 28, 2024, at 2:30 PM, Cormac O'Keeffe  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Andy.  I reckon I'll go for the Hope hub. Dearer than some, 
>> cheaper than others and apparently it just keeps on rolling.
>> On Friday, November 22, 2024 at 2:07:37 PM UTC+1 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> Without additional speculations or input on the world of 135mm, 36° rear 
>>> hubs I definitely recommend the Silver cassette hub from Rivendell. I now 
>>> have a 36° 135mm that Harry built with a Pacenti Brevet rim that he had. I 
>>> sought the steel cassette body specifically.
>>>
>>> This wheel replaced a 135mm, 32° Suzue Classica freehub with a Pacenti 
>>> Brevet 9-spd with an aluminum freehub body. I detected and isolated a sort 
>>> of creak/click similar to a crank arm in need of tightening that I was not 
>>> tolerant of.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 5:25:45 AM UTC-4 okeeffe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi,
 I know that Rivendell, White Industries and Velo Orange all sell 135mm 
 rear hubs, but does anyone know of some places (ideally Europe) that sell 
 135mm 35H rear hubs? 
 Cheers,
 C

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[RBW] Re: 51cm Toyo Atlantis in South Florida: Intro Post

[NYCbikeguy]

Welcome, Christian!
and thanks for the shoutout!

Don, I'm loving the stark contrast between the atlantis green and the 
Ultradynamico red!
The seatpost suspension and the boscomoose are both chef's kiss additions 
to the already beautiful build.
Would love to meet up to check out your atlantis in NYC sometime!

Best,
IY
New Haven, CT/NYC


On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 11:39:35 PM UTC-5 Don Don wrote:

> Ah, a fellow 51cm rider—awesome! It's always fun to see builds of the same 
> bike (and size). Yours looks great! I love how each person’s unique touch 
> can make it look and ride so differently. Here’s mine, all the way from NYC!
>
> [image: IMG_7514_.jpg]
>
> Don in NYC
>
> On Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 7:52:57 PM UTC-5 christia...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I figured it's time to introduce myself to the group. I live in West Palm 
>> Beach and have recently built up a 51cm Toyo Atlantis frame that I bought 
>> from a fellow member, shout out to Isaiah! I received build assistance from 
>> fellow RBW member Laing, thanks again for the help and your patience! This 
>> group is an amazing community that assists in any capacity needed. 
>>
>> I've lived in the region for the past 20 years so my pictures typically 
>> showcases my hobbies; surfing, fishing, boating, etc. Hope you enjoy the 
>> pics. Follow my instagram account 
>>  for more pics and to 
>> see future posts updates: @thewanderingrivendell
>>
>> Check out Google Drive folder 
>> for
>>  
>> pics for those that don't have social accounts. 
>>
>> My fellow Riv riders from the north region in the snow, I promise I 
>> didn't wait until late in the season to post. Or maybe I did... regardless, 
>> it's the South's RBW Owners Bunch turn to post dreamy ride reports. Stay 
>> safe. 
>>
>> Best,
>> Christian Santa
>>
>> [image: IMG_0288.jpeg]
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Richard Rose]

Very fascinating stuff. Two questions; how much did the 4+ pound weight loss cost & how does it feel? Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 2, 2024, at 7:06 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:Whoops! Good catch. From what's identified on that list, the correct total is 1938g / 4.27lbs. I feel silly after all that weighing and I didn't weigh the complete bike stock. Oh well! The 2.5lb+ drop in wheel weight also includes the exceptionally light, extralight rene herse casing, and lightweight Schwalbe butyl tubes. Though I have foregone both to run the endurance casing tubeless. On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:46:46 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:Looks like 1188g of savings is the SUM of both wheels reduction.  670g + 518g = 1,188g Now it makes sense.  Did you double-count the front wheel savings in your total though?  Maybe it doesn't matter anymore.  :)BL in ECOn Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:I don't follow the math.  The rear wheel math makes sense to me:Heavy old rear wheel weight - Lighter new rear wheel weight = rear wheel weight savings2252g - 1582g =670g = 23.634 oz (checks out)Heavy old front wheel weight - Lighter new front wheel weight = front wheel weight savings1942g - 1424g = 518g =18.272 oz (Impressive, but you claim 1188g of savings on the front wheel)Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Monday, December 2, 2024 at 12:10:31 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:For reference, I reduced the weight of my Platypus Complete by 5.75lbs. I stripped the parts entirely for another frame, which was the plan from the get go. The list below shows the weight difference of parts. It is mostly complete, but missing brakes and some other accessories, because I ultimately lost interest and just wanted to finish the bike and ride it. :) On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:CONFIRMED!  All of you who bought a CLEM complete from Rivendell are now confirmed as Weight Weenies!!  Pop those reflectors off to save a gram or two!BL in ECOn Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 9:33:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are impressively light.  As I posted earlier in this thread, I weighed a pair of them at 272g, including the plastic shrink-wrap holding them together :-)  The only pedals I have that are lighter are Eggbeater 11 (titanium axles).Ted DurantMilwaukee WI USA



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Re: [RBW] 51cm Toyo Atlantis in South Florida: Intro Post

[Armand Kizirian]

Welcome! I love the Florida sun on the Altantis. That sea-foam green color 
looks more like a Miami Green. ;)

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 1:33:23 PM UTC-8 Brian Turner wrote:

> Welcome, Christian! I’ve certainly been enjoying your posts on Instagram, 
> and I’m sure others will here as well. Looking forward to seeing more sunny 
> FL Rivendell content!
>
> Brian
> Lexington KY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Armand Kizirian]

Sure, feels a bit snappier off the line and surprisingly fast for an 
upright bike (nice tires with light wheels mostly help here). If you get 
really active with the bike, go for a spirited sprint, or chuck it in some 
turns at an aggressive speed, the weight shift does feel more noticeable. 
It's more for the feel, not concerned with actual speed. All-in-all not a 
big deal though for a bike that is meant for pleasure and commuting. The 
weight is easily replaced by what I usually carry for a strict pleasure 
ride, which really is the main intention, to offset that weight. 70% of the 
time I have 20-30lb's of cargo for my commutes, as I pack a mobile office, 
food for the day, and usually a change of clothes as well. 

The main motivation for me to do this work is that I was building from the 
frame up, which is the time to do it. Doing this work down the line 
requires changing nearly everything, which is not time or cost-effective, 
like Bill pointed out. If I had kept the stock complete built, the only 
thing I would bother with is the wheelset, which really is the only thing 
you'll actually feel a difference on. 

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 5:51:23 PM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:

> Very fascinating stuff. Two questions; how much did the 4+ pound weight 
> loss cost & how does it feel? 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 2, 2024, at 7:06 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:
>
> Whoops! Good catch. From what's identified on that list, the correct 
> total is 1938g / 4.27lbs. I feel silly after all that weighing and I didn't 
> weigh the complete bike stock. Oh well! 
>
>
> The 2.5lb+ drop in wheel weight also includes the exceptionally light, 
> extralight rene herse casing, and lightweight Schwalbe butyl tubes. Though 
> I have foregone both to run the endurance casing tubeless. 
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:46:46 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Looks like 1188g of savings is the SUM of both wheels reduction.  670g + 
>> 518g = 1,188g Now it makes sense.  Did you double-count the front wheel 
>> savings in your total though?  Maybe it doesn't matter anymore.  :)
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 2:44:17 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I don't follow the math.  The rear wheel math makes sense to me:
>>>
>>> Heavy old rear wheel weight - Lighter new rear wheel weight = rear wheel 
>>> weight savings
>>> 2252g - 1582g =670g = 23.634 oz (checks out)
>>>
>>> Heavy old front wheel weight - Lighter new front wheel weight = front 
>>> wheel weight savings
>>> 1942g - 1424g = 518g =18.272 oz (Impressive, but you claim 1188g of 
>>> savings on the front wheel)
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 12:10:31 PM UTC-8 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>>>
 For reference, I reduced the weight of my Platypus Complete by 5.75lbs. 
 I stripped the parts entirely for another frame, which was the plan from 
 the get go. The list below shows the weight difference of parts. It is 
 mostly complete, but missing brakes and some other accessories, because I 
 ultimately lost interest and just wanted to finish the bike and ride it. 
 :) 

 [image: platypus weight savings.png]

 On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 8:16:37 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> CONFIRMED!  All of you who bought a CLEM complete from Rivendell are 
> now confirmed as Weight Weenies!!  Pop those reflectors off to save a 
> gram 
> or two!
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 9:33:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are 
>> impressively light.  
>>
>>
>> As I posted earlier in this thread, I weighed a pair of them at 272g, 
>> including the plastic shrink-wrap holding them together :-)  The only 
>> pedals I have that are lighter are Eggbeater 11 (titanium axles).
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations (largest diameter)

[Bob Walicki]

Thanks! Nice rec. I'll try to be good perhaps and see if I can sell my
700x44 Snowqualmies before committing to these ones as the Kendas are
rolling nice. But, those look like they'd ride great.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2024 at 3:19 PM John Williams 
wrote:

> LOOKING FOR 55-IS TIRES? IMHO, YOU CANNOT BEAT THE
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/700cx55-antelope-hill-tc/
>
> Rolling perfection...get the ultra lights and run about 27psi for the ride
> of your life!
>
> Happy Trails,
> JRW
>
> On Sunday, December 1, 2024 at 5:49:38 PM UTC-5 robtw...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> To close this chapter. My LBS had a bunch of tires on discount and I
>> grabbed a pair of 29x2.2 Kendas for $30 total - Saber Pros. I decided to
>> give them a try.
>>
>> I've been running them tubeless for a couple of weeks and they are
>> fantastic. I've not embiggened the front cog yet, but at my comfortable
>> cadence I'm over 17MPH. Mission Accomplished!
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2024 at 2:35 PM dane...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you want an even higher gear e13 9t cassettes are an option also.
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>> On Wednesday, November 13, 2024 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 You definitely can make your highest gear higher by using bigger tires,
 BUT the differences are small.  Let's look at the numbers objectively:

 Running a 32x11 as your highest gear on a bike with 700x44 wheels, you
 are talking about a top gear that is roughly 81 gear inches.  Pedaling at
 60RPM you'll be going 14.5MPH.  Pedaling at 110RPM, you'll be going
 26.6MPH.  81 gear inches is not that high a top gear.

 Many cyclists complain that they spin out at 81 gear inches, and those
 people self identify as mashers.  They like to push hard at low RPM.  They
 don't want to pedal at 110RPM, but they want to go faster at lower
 cadence.  That's cool.  Get higher gears to do it.

 Going from a 32 to a 34 increases that top gear by about 6% to about
 86.5 gear inches.  Pedaling slowly at 60RPM, you'll be going about 1 mile
 per hour faster, 15.5MPH.  That's a small improvement

 Going from 44mm tires to 55mm tires increases the wheel diameter by
 20mm.  That's about a 3% increase in diameter, so it increases the gear
 inches by about 3% to about 89 gear inches.  It's about HALF the benefit
 you got from switching the chainring.  Now mashing at 60RPM will make you
 go another half a mile per hour faster, to something like 16MPH.

 Hypothetically if you could switch to a SRAM Eagle cassette which is
 10-52, then your top gear would jump up by ~10%.  In other words, switching
 from an 11T to a 10T cog would make more of a difference than changing both
 the chain ring and the tires.  That's simple, but it's expensive.

 If you made all of the above changes, we're talking about an 18%
 increase.  Hypothetically if you could train yourself to pedal 20% faster,
 then you'd make more of an impact and do it for free.  Pedaling faster is
 free if you are able to do it.  Many claim that spinning is more efficient
 also.  Many claim that they are far more able to spin when running shorter
 cranks.  If you are already a spinner and already maxing out at 26MPH or
 faster and need to go still faster, then higher gearing is the way to go.
 Best of luck on all of it.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 On Tuesday, November 12, 2024 at 12:41:26 PM UTC-8 robtw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Thanks. Oh, the bigger chainring up front is definitely happening.
>
> I'm running 44s and can go a bit wider, but I guess I was asking
> specifically for tires that people know are "taller" as well, that is that
> increase the overall diameter of the wheel. I appreciate the skepticism
> regarding the suggestion, but this is a VERY well known and trusted LBS,
> with excellent staff, who think about these things a lot in a variety of
> setups (not just Rivendell, Waterford, etc., though they do that too).
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 6:30 PM Drew Saunders 
> wrote:
>
>> You can use this handy tool to test. Here, I’m assuming a 11-36
>> cassette, and comparing a 32 vs 34 with 42-622 tires. Oddly, there’s no
>> option for 44-622, but RH tires run a bit smaller than labeled.
>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=34&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2230&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>
>> Here, I keep the 32, but change to a 54-622 tire:
>>
>> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=32&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2295&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH&DV=gearInches&GR2=DERS&KB2=32&RZ2=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF2=2230
>>
>> Get the bigger chainring!
>>
>> On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 8:29:50 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's ha

[RBW] Re: Bruised and Battered in Asheville, NC

[iamkeith]

What Ted said.  Nice to hear from you and to hear glimmers of joy still 
exist.  It's really been hard to see.  I have friends in Boone  who have a 
sister in Ashville, and they're all ok too , other than a crushed car.  The 
whole country is hoping for some sense of normalcy to follow your recovery.
On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 5:43:39 PM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 12:29:22 PM UTC-6 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>  - But Not Down and Out!
>
> Really nice to hear from Asheville area folks and to see glimmers of hope 
> for getting back to something like normal life. I was looking at a cycling 
> camp based out of Asheville and wondered if they'd be able to do that this 
> coming year.
>
> We had at our Thanksgiving table the 92-year old father of a friend. He 
> had lived in Asheville for 30 years, isolated with his Parkinson's-stricken 
> partner since COVID and developing a bunch of his own health issues. 
> Incredibly, 10 days before the storm hit, our friend brought his father to 
> Milwaukee, and the partner's family took her to their home elsewhere in NC. 
> The storms wiped out the apartment they had been living in.
>
> I'm sharing a few pics from recent rides. Please excuse the non-Riv 
> content (the Ritchey is currently my most MTBish bike). 
>
> Given the long, close relationship between Grant and TR, a Ritchey is 
> probably about as Riv-adjacent as you can get (aside from Bridgestone, of 
> course).
>  
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Re: The way I design a build, and the first chapter

[Bill Lindsay]

CONFIRMED!  All of you who bought a CLEM complete from Rivendell are now 
confirmed as Weight Weenies!!  Pop those reflectors off to save a gram or 
two!

BL in EC

On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Monday, December 2, 2024 at 9:33:16 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Somebody off-list told me that plastic sealed bearing Clem pedals are 
> impressively light.  
>
>
> As I posted earlier in this thread, I weighed a pair of them at 272g, 
> including the plastic shrink-wrap holding them together :-)  The only 
> pedals I have that are lighter are Eggbeater 11 (titanium axles).
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA
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