[RBW] Re: FS: Ibis Hakkalugi (og steel) + extras

[iamkeith]

Oooh.  Someone is going to get lucky.  That's one of the favorite bikes I 
own.  I agree that it's too small for you though.  I'm the same size, and 
think my 58 is even a little small.  Regarding decals, I wrote to the Chuck 
Ibis site a couple of times, and recieved replies from Scot himself!  That 
was before he bought the company back, or maybe just after, so he's 
probably just more busy now.  I think it's just him at the other end.  
Might not hurt to send a message.  (Although I seemed to recall that the 
Hakkalugi decals weren't available.)  Hand Job and Moron tubing FTW!


On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 1:57:45 PM UTC-6 milesh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ibis Hakkalugi, size 54cm (56cm top tube) - $600
> Comes with Chris King headset, front brake cable hanger, seatpost 
> (original Bontrager) and seat collar.
>
> Optional extras: 
> White Industries ENO crankset, 34t/175mm, silver - $150
> Paul Neo-retro brakes, silver, front and rear - $100
> Shimano M900 XTR rear derraileur - $60
> Shimano M900 XTR front derraileur - $30
> Nitto Pearl 100mm stem - $50
>
> Selling my Riv-adjacent Ibis after many years. I've finally admitted it 
> does not fit me (I am 6'1"). The bike has been with me a long time, I'm the 
> second owner, and it's been awesome. It's been well-loved with some 
> appropriate beausage on the newish paint.
>
> For the unfamiliar, Ibis was once a NorCal handmade frame company that 
> dealt in mostly steel frames built in Sonoma Co. The Hakkalugi was a 
> cyclocross bike, but unlike 'cross race bikes it can take a rear rack and 
> fenders and can fit 42mm tires. Maybe 45mm slicks. I believe before the 
> gravel category made these things mainstream, and before Rivendell's 
> hillibikes, this was considered a "mostercross" bike. The geometry is quick 
> and tight like a 'cross bike and the frame is pretty light. 
>
> Disclosure: I cracked the frame once at the dropout and once at the bottom 
> bracket, both on the drive-side chainstay. Both repairs were done 
> professionally, once by Josh Muir of Frances Cycles (in 2010) and the 
> second by a framebuilder in Austin TX (in 2018). I then re-painted the 
> frame from it's original orange. You can allegedly get replacement stickers 
> from Scot Nicol but I bought and paid for some over a year ago and they 
> never came.
>
> I'll ship it at buyer's expense or you can pick it up in or near 
> Philadelphia.
>
> [image: IMG_6622.JPEG][image: IMG_6623.JPEG][image: IMG_6624.JPEG][image: 
> IMG_6625.JPEG][image: IMG_6626.JPEG][image: IMG_6627.JPEG]
>

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Re: [RBW] Western Mass Meetup / New Sam Pics

[maxcr]

I'd love to join a Western Mass Riv Entmoot but need a bit of a heads up to 
coordinate since I'd have to drive out.
Max in Somerville, MA

On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 4:15:20 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:

> As someone who lives in eastern MA, I think everything west of Worcester 
> counts as western MA!
>
> Neal Lerner (who plans a 3-day bike tour of central/western MA starting 
> Sat)
> Brookline MA
>
> On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 1:58:48 PM UTC-4 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> That’s okay. It seems many people in Eastern Mass don’t consider 
>> Berkshire County a real part of Massachusetts - more so an extension of 
>> NYS.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:29 PM Stephen Durfee  wrote:
>>
>>> WIsh I could join you, as New England is magical at this time of year!  
>>> Seriously, though.ask anyone in Berkshire County.  Northampton is not 
>>> "Western MA".  [image: 😆]
>>>
>>> Stephen, *who has to explain to his friends from Westchester County 
>>> that they do not live in "Upstate NY"*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>>>
 Hi Steve,

 I moved to Western Mass last year, also in Northampton, still settling 
 in. 

 I'd enjoy a Rivendell meetup in this area. What might you be thinking?

 Dave, *who says that downsizing is more difficult than imagined and 
 I'll soon be ready to sell and generally unload an awful lot of bike parts 
 and even about a half-dozen bicycles*

 On 9/29/24 10:35 AM, Steve Theberge wrote:

 Hi all!
 Here’s a couple glamour shots of my new Sam from this summer’s batch. I 
 had it built up at Riv with mostly standard components, although I 
 splashed 
 out for some nice wheels built by Rich (silver hubs/velocity quill rims) 
 and Paul brake levers. It arrived a couple of weeks ago and rides like a 
 dream - I’ve found myself finding ways to extend my rides just so I can 
 stay in the saddle. I did a 50 mile ride last weekend and was happily 
 surprised at just how comfortable and zippy the frame and setup was - I 
 was 
 beat at the end, but can’t blame the bike for that :) 

 I’m curious  if there are other Rivendell riders in Western 
 Massachusetts - I’d be happy to organize a ride/cafe meetup if folks are 
 interested. Fall time is the best time to be on a bike here in New England!




 steve.t...@gmail.com
 cell: 413-658-5788 <(413)%20658-5788>
 www.stevetheberge.com

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[RBW] Re: Soma Redo or Clem?

[Ian A]

If I understand your writing, you want a Clem more than you want to invest 
in the Soma? The Soma is not precious to you?

It is ALWAYS cheaper to invest in the the thing you want. Whether it is a 
bicycle, a guitar, a house or a pair of trousers. Stop making sense and get 
the one you want.

IanA (who is still trying to learn this in Kitimat BC).
On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 9:11:35 AM UTC-7 mrkm...@gmail.com wrote:

> OK, I know I'm posting this on the RBW site, but hear me out... I'm an 
> avid rider. Less so a mechanic. I have a 20-year old Soma Double Cross that 
> has suited me well over the years. It's outfitted with drop bars and for a 
> Soma is in a more racing position. We now live in Germany, where I need a 
> bike for the city -- and for hill climbing and a bit of off-road riding and 
> trekking. My choice is either to revamp my Soma or purchase a Clem L -- one 
> of which is available to me. The more I look at the cost of revamping my 
> Soma, the more attractive a Clem looks. Of course, I'd love to have a 
> Clem... OK, the real question: how do I convince my wife the Clem is a 
> better choice...!?!?!?

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[RBW] Re: For sale 8 speed Shimano bar end shifters

[Ray Varella]

SOLD. 

On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 9:49:19 AM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> [image: IMG_2296.jpeg][image: IMG_2295.jpeg]New in box Shimano 8 speed 
> shifters. 
> I’m pretty sure they are Ultegra level and not compatible with Dura Ace
> SL-BS64
> See photos for everything that is in the box
> Does $85 shipped seem fair?
>
> Reply offlist rayvarella007 at gmail dot com 
> Thank you 
> Ray
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60 Orange Rambouillet (White Industries / Paul) $1,900

[maxcr]

Bump - someone emailed me recently (but then disappeared) asking is this is 
still for sale. It sure is - come check it out in Boston! Or take a leap 
and get an incredibly light and fun bike.

I'm tempted to just keep it for a bit and go through with the 650b 
conversion I had planned for it. I already have some nice wheels, RH tires 
and Mafac Raid brakes ready to go, but haven't found the time to do it.

We'll see which one sells first: the Ram or the Wilbury and that will 
determine the path forward.

Max

On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 10:25:28 AM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> I have wondered the same thing and I honestly don't know, maybe damage 
> while transporting in on a car rack? or a child seat? 
>
> I bought the frame used and unfortunately don't have the answer.
>
> Max 
>
> On Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 6:48:57 PM UTC-4 Peter Bridge wrote:
>
>> I wonder what caused the paint cracking and loss at the head tube lug.
>>
>> ~pb  
>>
>> On Sunday, June 30, 2024 at 6:34:29 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> The fastest color out there and honestly the most beautiful paint that 
>>> I've seen on a Riv. The orange sparkle in the sun is out of this world, 
>>> actually typing this makes me question selling it! 
>>>
>>> I bought this off ebay and it shows it's age. It came with a Rivelo 
>>> sticker that's still on it and I built it up with high end components - see 
>>> below. Please note, there are a few scratches on the seat stays and chain 
>>> stays, small chips and some paint loss in the top tube junction with the 
>>> head tube. (I'll add photos with details soon).
>>>
>>> In terms of sizing please refer to this brochure 
>>> 
>>>  (I'll 
>>> include an original full color printed original brochure just like this 
>>> with the sale). To summarize, it has a 58 top tube and fits someone 
>>> 5'9"-6'1" with a pbh between 87- 89cm. This bike fits me perfectly with 
>>> drop bars and it's really light, probably around 25lbs.
>>>
>>> The details:
>>> Model: Rambouillet 
>>> Price $1,900 (Paypal F&F + shipping)
>>>
>>> Size 60
>>> - 700c Mavic Open Pro wheels, electra hubs with ceramic bearings (old, 
>>> very light, need truing and I think at least one spoke is a bit bent).
>>> - Rene Herse Bon Jon Pass 700x35 (almost new)
>>> - 46 Nitto Noodles with shimano TRP levers
>>> - Nitto shorty stem
>>> - Ultegra headset
>>> - Paul Racer M brakes
>>> - White industries 46x30 cranks with new-ish IRD Bottom Bracket
>>> - 11-32 XT M760 cassette 9 speed
>>> - RD Shimano Deerhead
>>> - FD Campagnolo
>>> - Nitto seatpost (scratched)
>>>
>>> *Saddle, pedals, cages,  not included
>>>
>>> Message me directly if you have questions or if you're local-ish and 
>>> want a test ride.
>>> Max in Boston
>>>
>>> A couple of teaser photos I had from when I built it:
>>> [image: IMG_8926.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3259.jpeg]
>>>
>>> *I have all the parts for a 650b conversion (wheels and MAFAC raid 
>>> brakes) , so if it doesn't sell I might turn it into my next project bike. 
>>> If you're buying the bike and interested in the parts for the conversion, 
>>> let me know.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 50cm Rosco Bubbe / Rosco Platypus

[maxcr]

https://www.facebook.com/share/bJaHvoDhqkUa4sei/

On Monday, September 30, 2024 at 12:51:54 PM UTC-4 reeby wrote:

> Hey @kate, i haven't found one yet but hunting diligently! 
>
> On Sunday, September 29, 2024 at 4:41:24 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @reeby
>> Did you find one that interest you to purchase?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel 
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2024, 1:36 PM reeby  wrote:
>>
>>> thanks for the finds, will be reaching out 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 29, 2024 at 12:33:17 AM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here is green one, a frameset off of Facebook Rivendell Bicycles BUY/ 
 SELL /TRADE. It is located in Vallejo, California.
 https://www.facebook.com/share/p/YKxsobj96Ab1smy2/

 Kim Hetzel. 

 On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 5:22:38 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> I believe the team at Broadway Bicycles in Cambridge, MA had a used 
> one for sale. Worth reaching out to then: 
> https://broadwaybicycleschool.com/
>
> Max
> On Saturday, September 28, 2024 at 10:48:29 AM UTC-4 reeby wrote:
>
>> Hey RBW, I'm in seach for a a 50cm Rosco Bubbe / Rosco Platypus, 
>> purple or green (from 2022?). I'm in NYC locallly but if you're willing 
>> to 
>> ship that would be great also. Thanks in advance. 
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[RBW] Re: For sale Nitto Mark’s rack and Nitto stems

[Ray Varella]

Giving this a bump. Unused stem still available 

Thank you 
Ray

On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 7:19:53 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> Rack and used stem sold
> Unused stem still available 
>
> Thank you 
>
> On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> I have a Mark’s rack and two Nitto stems I’m not likely to use anytime 
>> soon. 
>> The stems are both Technomic Deluxe 90mm extension 26.0 bar clamp
>> These are the 190mm quill length not the tallux version. 
>> One stem is unused, it has been dry fit but never used $65 includes 
>> priority shipping 
>> The other is used and shows some horizontal marks which should be visible 
>> in photos 
>> $40 includes priority shipping 
>> The rack has a set of 10” long struts and the diving board mount. It’s in 
>> nice shape $85 including priority shipping 
>> Email off list rayvarella007 ar gmail dot com
>> Let me know if you need more pictures 
>>
>> Thank you 
>>
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[RBW] WTT: New Panda MKS for Silver or Champagne

[AppaLanta]

I have new (never mounted) MKS Grip Monarch pedals in Panda color (silver 
with black) and am looking for a pair of the same but in Silver or 
Champagne, also new. A 1:1 trade, we each pay shipping. Anyone just 
coveting a Panda look these days?

PM me if you are interested and are a poster with history. Thx!

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Re: [RBW] Soma Redo or Clem?

[Chris Halasz]

Mark,

My wife talked *me* out of the fiduciary utilitarian rationale of fixing up 
my other bike and into building a Clem. 

It wouldn't surprise me to hear the same from you. 

So. Much. More. Enjoyable. 

On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 9:14:26 AM UTC-7 dros...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tell her that the toe overlap is a potential risk to your life. 
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 12:11 PM mark hammer  wrote:
>
>> OK, I know I'm posting this on the RBW site, but hear me out... I'm an 
>> avid rider. Less so a mechanic. I have a 20-year old Soma Double Cross that 
>> has suited me well over the years. It's outfitted with drop bars and for a 
>> Soma is in a more racing position. We now live in Germany, where I need a 
>> bike for the city -- and for hill climbing and a bit of off-road riding and 
>> trekking. My choice is either to revamp my Soma or purchase a Clem L -- one 
>> of which is available to me. The more I look at the cost of revamping my 
>> Soma, the more attractive a Clem looks. Of course, I'd love to have a 
>> Clem... OK, the real question: how do I convince my wife the Clem is a 
>> better choice...!?!?!? 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Asking for your opinion on locking up a Riv

[Chris Halasz]

Informational website for bike lock reviews (I have no shared interest): 

https://thebestbikelock.com

On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 3:01:55 PM UTC-7 mgst...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don't love that tool, it feels awkward; but also. many years using the 
> normal chain whips.  I thought i'd give it a try.  Much more leverage 
> possible w chain whips
>
> On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 1:17:38 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Tangent, but not irrelevant: what, pray, is that cog pliers tool, and 
>> does it work better to immobilize cassettes against torque than the 
>> standard chain whip?
>>
>> I expect it's this one: 
>> https://www.parktool.com/en-us/product/cassette-pliers-cp-1-2
>>
>> Second, and most importat: does it work well to remove hard-screwed-on 
>> fixed cogs, or is it effective only to hold cassettes still?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Fall Photos 2024

[Ted Durant]

> On Oct 3, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Jacob Yosowitz  wrote:
> 
> Huckleberry covered ground becomes a brilliant red!!!

Interesting - we saw blueberry fields in Nova Scotia doing the same thing.

td

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[RBW] Re: WTT: Joe or Susie

[Andrew Joseph]

Howdy, 

Thank you to those who have reached out.  Just dropping in to say I would also 
trade the Sam frameset for a 55/56 Atlantis frameset as well.  Maybe even a 
Platy (size 60 I think).

Headed out on a bike tour if I don’t respond until next week.  

R,

Drew

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Andrew Joseph  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Whelp.  I thought this one would stay. 
> 
> I reckon we shall see.
> 
> 57 HiHo Silver Sam Hillborne frameset here. First, I am really hoping to 
> trade framesets for a 54 Joe Appaloosa, or second, a lugged 56 Susie.  
> 
> No color preferences.  
> 
> I would also trade for a comparable complete, in either bike as well.  
> 
> Would prefer not to sell it honestly.  And much rather just transfer the 
> parts to a Joe.  
> 
> If it comes to that, as a final option, I would do $3800 I suppose.  It 
> really is an amazing bike!
> 
> *Packing/Shipping would be on the buyer though.
> 
> 57 Sam frameset
> Crust Ron’s Orthos w/Oury Grips 26.0 
> Silver 2 Shifters 
> Paul Canti Levers (Pewter)
> Riv Lugged Nitto 120 stem 26.0 
> XTR Headset (NOS)
> Shovel Research Cable Hanger 
> Paul Touring canti brakes front (Pewter)
> Paul Neo Retro canti brakes rear (Pewter)
> Paul Skewers 
> Pass and Stow 3 Rail w/cargo upgrade 
> Nitto S83 Seatpost 
> Brooks C17 Brown
> Handbuilt 36H (100/135) Velocity Quill 700c wheelset w/Velocity KT Dynamo 
> front hub 
> Ultradynamico Rose front and Cava rear (Robusto casing)
> Deore Shadow M592 Rear Derailer
> Skeleton Key Front Derailer
> Riv Silver 38/24 Double crankset, 170 cranks 
> Champagne MKS pedals 
> Schmidt Dynamo light front, B&M Rear Dynamo light 
> 
> Iris cage, pump, RH tires, other bars, can be discussed.  
> 
> I had to try it in this configuration to be sure.  Thank you to those that 
> followed along. 
> 
> Hope everyone is enjoying the fall!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [RBW] Fall Photos 2024

[Jacob Yosowitz]

They both turn to beautiful reds! It’s especially mesmerizing when they
cover the floor of a spruce and jack pine forest, incredible contrast.

Forgot to mention that pic was snapped from the saddle of my (new to me)
Sam.

*Jacob*


On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 4:08 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

>
> On Oct 3, 2024, at 4:02 PM, Jacob Yosowitz  wrote:
>
> Huckleberry covered ground becomes a brilliant red!!!
>
>
> Interesting - we saw blueberry fields in Nova Scotia doing the same thing.
>
> td
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Re: [RBW] Western Mass Meetup / New Sam Pics

[nlerner]

As someone who lives in eastern MA, I think everything west of Worcester 
counts as western MA!

Neal Lerner (who plans a 3-day bike tour of central/western MA starting Sat)
Brookline MA

On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 1:58:48 PM UTC-4 David Hallerman wrote:

> That’s okay. It seems many people in Eastern Mass don’t consider Berkshire 
> County a real part of Massachusetts - more so an extension of NYS.
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:29 PM Stephen Durfee  wrote:
>
>> WIsh I could join you, as New England is magical at this time of year!  
>> Seriously, though.ask anyone in Berkshire County.  Northampton is not 
>> "Western MA".  [image: 😆]
>>
>> Stephen, *who has to explain to his friends from Westchester County that 
>> they do not live in "Upstate NY"*
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> I moved to Western Mass last year, also in Northampton, still settling 
>>> in. 
>>>
>>> I'd enjoy a Rivendell meetup in this area. What might you be thinking?
>>>
>>> Dave, *who says that downsizing is more difficult than imagined and 
>>> I'll soon be ready to sell and generally unload an awful lot of bike parts 
>>> and even about a half-dozen bicycles*
>>>
>>> On 9/29/24 10:35 AM, Steve Theberge wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all!
>>> Here’s a couple glamour shots of my new Sam from this summer’s batch. I 
>>> had it built up at Riv with mostly standard components, although I splashed 
>>> out for some nice wheels built by Rich (silver hubs/velocity quill rims) 
>>> and Paul brake levers. It arrived a couple of weeks ago and rides like a 
>>> dream - I’ve found myself finding ways to extend my rides just so I can 
>>> stay in the saddle. I did a 50 mile ride last weekend and was happily 
>>> surprised at just how comfortable and zippy the frame and setup was - I was 
>>> beat at the end, but can’t blame the bike for that :) 
>>>
>>> I’m curious  if there are other Rivendell riders in Western 
>>> Massachusetts - I’d be happy to organize a ride/cafe meetup if folks are 
>>> interested. Fall time is the best time to be on a bike here in New England!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> steve.t...@gmail.com
>>> cell: 413-658-5788 <(413)%20658-5788>
>>> www.stevetheberge.com
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Re: [RBW] Tics in the bars at the stem clamp - help

[Dan]

Just dropping in to say that greasing the expander wedge and bolt fixed the 
clicking I had on a quill stem bike of mine! 
It was clicking I heard when yanking on the wide bars near the ends, such 
as standing up and pedalling. It’s a singlespeed, so I used to hear that 
sound all the time…

On Thursday 3 October 2024 at 04:10:14 UTC+9:30 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ 
wrote:

> Leah
>
> Have you considered dripping some Loctite into the sleeve and letting it 
> dry, as one of the posters suggested.  I would think Blue Loctite but you 
> might reach out to him to verify the color.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 2:28:03 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh, no way was I that thorough. I had no idea I should do all those 
>> things. I wiped all the old goop off so the stem was shiny and smeared 
>> around fresh lube and then pumped the stem up and down. I need a mentor!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2024, at 1:44 PM, Ted Durant  wrote:
>>
>> When you say you "attacked that stem with a towel and fresh lube", does 
>> that mean you cleaned the stem, wedge, and expander bolt fully and then 
>> greased it all, reassembled, and put back in the bike? Did you also put 
>> some grease under the expander bolt at the top of the stem? Did you wipe 
>> out the inside of the steerer tube (the fork, where the stem inserts), as 
>> well?
>>
>>
>> Ted "I hate clicks and creaks" Durant
>> Milwaukee WI USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tics in the bars at the stem clamp - help

[Johnny Alien]

I've grown to love the faceplate stems but it did take awhile. The classic 
quill look is very nice. To me the benefits outweigh the ever so slight 
loss of beauty. They just make more sense and reduce some flex with the 
sweptback bars.

On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 1:46:24 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I'd never heard of mechanics' stethoscopes; thanks for bringing them up. 
> But question: most creaks and clicks on bikes occur only when riding. How 
> do you use one of these while on the bike? I think in particular of bottom 
> bracket and seatpost noises. (And I can imagine the looks you'd get riding 
> along earnestly listening to your headset with a stethoscope. You'd have to 
> wear a white lab coat.)
>
> And +1 for threadless stems with multi-bolt bar clamps for very wide or 
> high or swept-back bars; I much prefer how quill stems look (well, unless 
> they're raised very high) but sometimes they're not up to the job.
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 5:18 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> A auto mechanic's style scope can help isolate exactly where it's coming 
>> from. From my standpoint of the viewer it's impossible to tell anything 
>> other than there is a sharp metallic like  noise. The mechanic's scope is 
>> pin pointed, so you can put it right up next to or upon the surface. Do the 
>> bars use a steel Nitto shim by chance ? If so I'd begin there. I'd also 
>> check with the headset cups, top and bottom, pressed against the head tube 
>> where the cups are inserted. I always use some grease for the cups, but who 
>> knows what the installer did. Ditto on Ted's suggestion to dismantle and 
>> grease the stem inside of the expander bolt, everything ! Aluminum next to 
>> steel often makes noise without some kind of buffer. 
>>
>> You don't need any skill to use the scope, just point it near or on the 
>> target and listen. 
>>
>>
>> https://www.harborfreight.com/mechanics-stethoscope-63691.html
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 2:07:15 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I'm starting to think there's a reason we have open-face stems clamped 
>>> to steerer tubes on most modern bikes...
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tics in the bars at the stem clamp - help

[Leah Peterson]

Paul, SAME. Left side of the bars!On Oct 3, 2024, at 1:57 AM, Paul Donald  wrote:I have been having what seems like the same issue on my Rosco Bubbe (Platypus variant). I switched my Boscos out for Toscos and switched the 100 x 26mm clamp Tallux with a 110 x 25.4. Mad clicking. Drive me mad clicking. Tightened everything, and everything seemed tight. But it seemed more from the stem/headtube interface than bars/stem. Took stem out, liberally greased the bolt, wedge, stem, and steerer. Seemed ok for a day. Then started clicking again. Noticed it was only when pressure was applied to the left hand side of the bars. Then had to stuff my bike in the back of someones car which required some disassembly. When I put the stem in again I set it higher by accident, which turned out to be a better height AND stopped the clicking.In the end I still have no idea what was causing it. Some kind of grit in the steerer tube? On Monday, September 30, 2024 at 1:40:46 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:On my raspberry Platypus I have aluminum Billie bars and a Nitto Technomic 12 cm stem from Riv. Maybe once a year in any of my bikes, I’ll get this irritating ticking in the bars. Years ago after trial and error, I found it was coming from where the stem clamps the bars. Put a little T9 on there and you’ll ride in blissful silence for another year or so. But this time, it is HORRID. A constant cacophony of ticking that nearly drove me wild during our 34 mile club ride today. If I grab the bar ends, I can make the sound happen. I have applied T9 twice, greased the bolt, unscrewed it and screwed it back in again…it’s still making the noise. If I go howling to the bike shop they will have mercy and help but before I do that, I’m coming to you all because you’ll know more about our type of bars. 1. Do these bars wear out? I can’t imagine that would be the case. The stem is maybe a year old and the bars maybe 3 years.  2. Has this ever happened to you? How did you fix it?3. Would a faceplater stem fix this issue? If I thought it would, I’d get one and learn how to properly torque that sucker.4. I can’t get the bars to move on me, if that’s what you’re wondering. I can stand and put weight on them and they don’t obviously slip.Thanks for your help!Leah



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[RBW] Re: Tics in the bars at the stem clamp - help

[Garth]

A auto mechanic's style scope can help isolate exactly where it's coming 
from. From my standpoint of the viewer it's impossible to tell anything 
other than there is a sharp metallic like  noise. The mechanic's scope is 
pin pointed, so you can put it right up next to or upon the surface. Do the 
bars use a steel Nitto shim by chance ? If so I'd begin there. I'd also 
check with the headset cups, top and bottom, pressed against the head tube 
where the cups are inserted. I always use some grease for the cups, but who 
knows what the installer did. Ditto on Ted's suggestion to dismantle and 
grease the stem inside of the expander bolt, everything ! Aluminum next to 
steel often makes noise without some kind of buffer. 

You don't need any skill to use the scope, just point it near or on the 
target and listen. 


https://www.harborfreight.com/mechanics-stethoscope-63691.html


On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 2:07:15 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'm starting to think there's a reason we have open-face stems clamped to 
> steerer tubes on most modern bikes...
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 10:57:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Donald wrote:
>
>> I have been having what seems like the same issue on my Rosco Bubbe 
>> (Platypus variant). I switched my Boscos out for Toscos and switched the 
>> 100 x 26mm clamp Tallux with a 110 x 25.4. Mad clicking. Drive me mad 
>> clicking. Tightened everything, and everything seemed tight. But it seemed 
>> more from the stem/headtube interface than bars/stem. Took stem out, 
>> liberally greased the bolt, wedge, stem, and steerer. Seemed ok for a day. 
>> Then started clicking again. Noticed it was only when pressure was applied 
>> to the left hand side of the bars. Then had to stuff my bike in the back of 
>> someones car which required some disassembly. When I put the stem in again 
>> I set it higher by accident, which turned out to be a better height AND 
>> stopped the clicking.
>>
>> In the end I still have no idea what was causing it. Some kind of grit in 
>> the steerer tube? 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 30, 2024 at 1:40:46 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> On my raspberry Platypus I have aluminum Billie bars and a Nitto 
>>> Technomic 12 cm stem from Riv. Maybe once a year in any of my bikes, I’ll 
>>> get this irritating ticking in the bars. Years ago after trial and error, I 
>>> found it was coming from where the stem clamps the bars. Put a little T9 on 
>>> there and you’ll ride in blissful silence for another year or so. But this 
>>> time, it is HORRID. A constant cacophony of ticking that nearly drove me 
>>> wild during our 34 mile club ride today. If I grab the bar ends, I can make 
>>> the sound happen. I have applied T9 twice, greased the bolt, unscrewed it 
>>> and screwed it back in again…it’s still making the noise. If I go howling 
>>> to the bike shop they will have mercy and help but before I do that, I’m 
>>> coming to you all because you’ll know more about our type of bars. 
>>>
>>> 1. Do these bars wear out? I can’t imagine that would be the case. The 
>>> stem is maybe a year old and the bars maybe 3 years.  
>>>
>>> 2. Has this ever happened to you? How did you fix it?
>>>
>>> 3. Would a faceplater stem fix this issue? If I thought it would, I’d 
>>> get one and learn how to properly torque that sucker.
>>>
>>> 4. I can’t get the bars to move on me, if that’s what you’re wondering. 
>>> I can stand and put weight on them and they don’t obviously slip.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tics in the bars at the stem clamp - help

[Ryan]

That scope sounds like a great idea

On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 6:18:22 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> A auto mechanic's style scope can help isolate exactly where it's coming 
> from. From my standpoint of the viewer it's impossible to tell anything 
> other than there is a sharp metallic like  noise. The mechanic's scope is 
> pin pointed, so you can put it right up next to or upon the surface. Do the 
> bars use a steel Nitto shim by chance ? If so I'd begin there. I'd also 
> check with the headset cups, top and bottom, pressed against the head tube 
> where the cups are inserted. I always use some grease for the cups, but who 
> knows what the installer did. Ditto on Ted's suggestion to dismantle and 
> grease the stem inside of the expander bolt, everything ! Aluminum next to 
> steel often makes noise without some kind of buffer. 
>
> You don't need any skill to use the scope, just point it near or on the 
> target and listen. 
>
>
> https://www.harborfreight.com/mechanics-stethoscope-63691.html
>
>
> On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 2:07:15 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'm starting to think there's a reason we have open-face stems clamped to 
>> steerer tubes on most modern bikes...
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 10:57:36 PM UTC-7 Paul Donald wrote:
>>
>>> I have been having what seems like the same issue on my Rosco Bubbe 
>>> (Platypus variant). I switched my Boscos out for Toscos and switched the 
>>> 100 x 26mm clamp Tallux with a 110 x 25.4. Mad clicking. Drive me mad 
>>> clicking. Tightened everything, and everything seemed tight. But it seemed 
>>> more from the stem/headtube interface than bars/stem. Took stem out, 
>>> liberally greased the bolt, wedge, stem, and steerer. Seemed ok for a day. 
>>> Then started clicking again. Noticed it was only when pressure was applied 
>>> to the left hand side of the bars. Then had to stuff my bike in the back of 
>>> someones car which required some disassembly. When I put the stem in again 
>>> I set it higher by accident, which turned out to be a better height AND 
>>> stopped the clicking.
>>>
>>> In the end I still have no idea what was causing it. Some kind of grit 
>>> in the steerer tube? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 30, 2024 at 1:40:46 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 On my raspberry Platypus I have aluminum Billie bars and a Nitto 
 Technomic 12 cm stem from Riv. Maybe once a year in any of my bikes, I’ll 
 get this irritating ticking in the bars. Years ago after trial and error, 
 I 
 found it was coming from where the stem clamps the bars. Put a little T9 
 on 
 there and you’ll ride in blissful silence for another year or so. But this 
 time, it is HORRID. A constant cacophony of ticking that nearly drove me 
 wild during our 34 mile club ride today. If I grab the bar ends, I can 
 make 
 the sound happen. I have applied T9 twice, greased the bolt, unscrewed it 
 and screwed it back in again…it’s still making the noise. If I go howling 
 to the bike shop they will have mercy and help but before I do that, I’m 
 coming to you all because you’ll know more about our type of bars. 

 1. Do these bars wear out? I can’t imagine that would be the case. The 
 stem is maybe a year old and the bars maybe 3 years.  

 2. Has this ever happened to you? How did you fix it?

 3. Would a faceplater stem fix this issue? If I thought it would, I’d 
 get one and learn how to properly torque that sucker.

 4. I can’t get the bars to move on me, if that’s what you’re wondering. 
 I can stand and put weight on them and they don’t obviously slip.

 Thanks for your help!
 Leah

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tics in the bars at the stem clamp - help

[Brian Turner]

>From my experience with ticking in the bars, saddle, pedals, etc. it has 
>usually happened after my bike has been ridden through a rainstorm, or if it 
>has been transported on the car through the rain. Water can force little bits 
>of grit and grime into places where they can cause annoying creaks and ticks 
>afterwards while riding.

My solution has always been to remove all the components I suspect the noise is 
located, thoroughly clean and re-grease or add other lubricants. Sometimes it 
takes some investigation since what is causing the noise may present itself in 
another location due to how steel frames flex when pedaling. For example, what 
may seem like a seatpost tick could actually be coming from the saddle or 
saddle rails.

Brian
Lex KY 

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Re: [RBW] FS: 57 Roadini F/F/HS Sergio Green

[Andrew Joseph]

Nice frame Tom!😉Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 3, 2024, at 9:11 AM, Tom  wrote:Really nice condition with a couple of very minor paint chips you have to look for.  No rust.$925 firm -- shipped and insured to continental U.S..I bought this from a list member in August, thinking I'd missed out on all orange 57 Roadinis till the end of time.  Then an orange one became available and I bought it, so this one must go.  Beautiful bike, I just prefer orange esp. since I've had several green bikes.If seriously interested I'll be glad to send more pics.Thanks,Tom



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[RBW] Re: Mama Platy

[JAS]

Welcome to the wonderful world of Rivendell!  The beautiful bikes!  The 
lovely people!  I'm so happy for you to have re-discovered yourself and the 
joy of getting out on your Platy with your family.  Many miles to go...

RivSisters,
Joyce

On Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 7:24:18 PM UTC-7 Christian B-H wrote:

> Congrats Platy Mama Girl Gang Rider, and Welcome!  My wife and I also have 
> little girls about a year and a half apart and love biking them around. 
> Your Platypus kid and bike hauler look awesome! 
>
> Christian
> On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 3:38:07 PM UTC-6 Armand Kizirian wrote:
>
>> Congratulations on overcoming those fears of riding a bike and now 
>> reaping the endless joys of the bicycle, with your budding family and a 
>> Platy no less! Thank you for sharing. 
>>
>> Armand - Fellow Platy-lover
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 12:05:44 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This post made me deliriously happy in the break room at work today. 
>>> Welcome, welcome RivSister. Is your name Andrea? Your little cherub is 
>>> darling with her tiny Woom. I’m so glad you found your way back to cycling 
>>> after having two babies and all the life changes that come with them. They 
>>> are the best thing to ever happen to us, aren’t they? 
>>>
>>> I got my first Riv, a Betty Foy, when my two boys were little. We went 
>>> everywhere together on our bikes, for years. And as the girls get older you 
>>> can go further and maybe even get them their own little Clems (or Platys, 
>>> if you want to spring for them!) to take on bike adventures with you! I 
>>> have one grown son now, who took a Clem to college, and one high school son 
>>> who will take the other Clem to college. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, if you feel comfortable, please DM me with your address so I can 
>>> send you a little something for your Platypus in the mail. And I would love 
>>> to read more posts from you as you continue on the journey. All the best to 
>>> you, RivSister!
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 12:13:23 PM UTC-4 GirlGangRider wrote:
>>>
 This post has been percolating in my mind for over a year! I had wanted 
 to post when my husband bought me my beautiful mermaid Platypus. The Platy 
 was my push present (a rather humbling term for a gift that acknowledges 
 the incredible journey of bringing a baby into the world). I had earnestly 
 waited for it to be in stock and the moment my husband told me it was 
 available, I was so excited! 

 After I gave birth to my first daughter, I found myself terrified to 
 ride a bike again. Perhaps it was the memories of pregnancy and 
 childbirth, 
 or maybe it was the experience of riding a road bike that was far too big 
 for me. Eventually, I found the courage to ride again, hoping to reclaim a 
 piece of my pre-motherhood self. In July 2023, we made our way to 
 Rivendell 
 Bicycle Works with my eighteen-month-old daughter in tow, while I was 
 seven 
 months pregnant with our second.

 I may not know all the components or parts of my Platypus, but what I 
 do know is how liberating and enjoyable each ride has been. During my 
 first 
 test ride, I felt empowered, invigorated, and truly like myself again. 
 Now, 
 every time I ride—whether with my daughters or on my own—I feel 
 rejuvenated, often accompanied by their adorable squeals of joy.

 Our love for riding has clearly rubbed off on our 2.75-year-old 
 daughter, who zooms on her balance bike faster than we can walk! I eagerly 
 await the day she’s tall enough to ride my Platy, so I can share with her 
 the story of how riding and motherhood have shaped who I am. I’m eternally 
 grateful to my husband for this thoughtful gift and feel so lucky to be 
 part of this bike-loving family.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Mission Accomplished

[JAS]

Cindy,
Way to go!  That's an impressive record of riding and staying fit.  And by 
the way, your Glorius is gorgeous.  What's better than taking a ride 
through the dappled light of fall?

RivSisters,
Joyce

On Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 5:26:22 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> A RivSister in Michigan that I didn’t know about? Congrats to Cindy and 
> her glorious Glorius. We’re gonna need more photos.
> Leah
>
> On Monday, September 30, 2024 at 10:33:26 AM UTC-4 Bruce in NW MI wrote:
>
>> My wife, Cindy, just crossed the 1000-mile threshold for this biking 
>> season, riding her beloved red Glorius (bought from a member of this list) 
>> on the hillier part of the Sleeping Bear Heritage Trail in northwest lower 
>> Michigan. We think that's pretty good, considering she only started riding 
>> regularly when she was in her 50s. She has now done it almost every summer 
>> for the past ten years.
>>
>> (The pictures are from November, 2016, when she first got the bike).
>>
>> Bruce in Empire[image: P1010055 copy 2.jpg][image: P1010049 copy 2.jpg]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Western Mass Meetup / New Sam Pics

[David Hallerman]

Hi Steve,

I moved to Western Mass last year, also in Northampton, still settling in.

I'd enjoy a Rivendell meetup in this area. What might you be thinking?

Dave, /who says that downsizing is more difficult than imagined and I'll 
soon be ready to sell and generally unload an awful lot of bike parts 
and even about a half-dozen bicycles/


On 9/29/24 10:35 AM, Steve Theberge wrote:

Hi all!
Here’s a couple glamour shots of my new Sam from this summer’s batch. 
I had it built up at Riv with mostly standard components, although I 
splashed out for some nice wheels built by Rich (silver hubs/velocity 
quill rims) and Paul brake levers. It arrived a couple of weeks ago 
and rides like a dream - I’ve found myself finding ways to extend my 
rides just so I can stay in the saddle. I did a 50 mile ride last 
weekend and was happily surprised at just how comfortable and zippy 
the frame and setup was - I was beat at the end, but can’t blame the 
bike for that :)


I’m curious  if there are other Rivendell riders in Western 
Massachusetts - I’d be happy to organize a ride/cafe meetup if folks 
are interested. Fall time is the best time to be on a bike here in New 
England!





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www.stevetheberge.com 
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Re: [RBW] Western Mass Meetup / New Sam Pics

[Stephen Durfee]

WIsh I could join you, as New England is magical at this time of year!  
Seriously, though.ask anyone in Berkshire County.  Northampton is not 
"Western MA".  [image: 😆]

Stephen, *who has to explain to his friends from Westchester County that 
they do not live in "Upstate NY"*


On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> I moved to Western Mass last year, also in Northampton, still settling in. 
>
> I'd enjoy a Rivendell meetup in this area. What might you be thinking?
>
> Dave, *who says that downsizing is more difficult than imagined and I'll 
> soon be ready to sell and generally unload an awful lot of bike parts and 
> even about a half-dozen bicycles*
>
> On 9/29/24 10:35 AM, Steve Theberge wrote:
>
> Hi all!
> Here’s a couple glamour shots of my new Sam from this summer’s batch. I 
> had it built up at Riv with mostly standard components, although I splashed 
> out for some nice wheels built by Rich (silver hubs/velocity quill rims) 
> and Paul brake levers. It arrived a couple of weeks ago and rides like a 
> dream - I’ve found myself finding ways to extend my rides just so I can 
> stay in the saddle. I did a 50 mile ride last weekend and was happily 
> surprised at just how comfortable and zippy the frame and setup was - I was 
> beat at the end, but can’t blame the bike for that :) 
>
> I’m curious  if there are other Rivendell riders in Western Massachusetts 
> - I’d be happy to organize a ride/cafe meetup if folks are interested. Fall 
> time is the best time to be on a bike here in New England!
>
>
>
>
> steve.t...@gmail.com
> cell: 413-658-5788 <(413)%20658-5788>
> www.stevetheberge.com
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tics in the bars at the stem clamp - help

[Patrick Moore]

I'd never heard of mechanics' stethoscopes; thanks for bringing them up.
But question: most creaks and clicks on bikes occur only when riding. How
do you use one of these while on the bike? I think in particular of bottom
bracket and seatpost noises. (And I can imagine the looks you'd get riding
along earnestly listening to your headset with a stethoscope. You'd have to
wear a white lab coat.)

And +1 for threadless stems with multi-bolt bar clamps for very wide or
high or swept-back bars; I much prefer how quill stems look (well, unless
they're raised very high) but sometimes they're not up to the job.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 5:18 AM Garth  wrote:

> A auto mechanic's style scope can help isolate exactly where it's coming
> from. From my standpoint of the viewer it's impossible to tell anything
> other than there is a sharp metallic like  noise. The mechanic's scope is
> pin pointed, so you can put it right up next to or upon the surface. Do the
> bars use a steel Nitto shim by chance ? If so I'd begin there. I'd also
> check with the headset cups, top and bottom, pressed against the head tube
> where the cups are inserted. I always use some grease for the cups, but who
> knows what the installer did. Ditto on Ted's suggestion to dismantle and
> grease the stem inside of the expander bolt, everything ! Aluminum next to
> steel often makes noise without some kind of buffer.
>
> You don't need any skill to use the scope, just point it near or on the
> target and listen.
>
>
> https://www.harborfreight.com/mechanics-stethoscope-63691.html
>
>
> On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 2:07:15 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'm starting to think there's a reason we have open-face stems clamped to
>> steerer tubes on most modern bikes...
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Western Mass Meetup / New Sam Pics

[David Hallerman]

That’s okay. It seems many people in Eastern Mass don’t consider Berkshire
County a real part of Massachusetts - more so an extension of NYS.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 1:29 PM Stephen Durfee  wrote:

> WIsh I could join you, as New England is magical at this time of year!
> Seriously, though.ask anyone in Berkshire County.  Northampton is not
> "Western MA".  [image: 😆]
>
> Stephen, *who has to explain to his friends from Westchester County that
> they do not live in "Upstate NY"*
>
>
> On Thursday, October 3, 2024 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-7 David Hallerman wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I moved to Western Mass last year, also in Northampton, still settling
>> in.
>>
>> I'd enjoy a Rivendell meetup in this area. What might you be thinking?
>>
>> Dave, *who says that downsizing is more difficult than imagined and I'll
>> soon be ready to sell and generally unload an awful lot of bike parts and
>> even about a half-dozen bicycles*
>>
>> On 9/29/24 10:35 AM, Steve Theberge wrote:
>>
>> Hi all!
>> Here’s a couple glamour shots of my new Sam from this summer’s batch. I
>> had it built up at Riv with mostly standard components, although I splashed
>> out for some nice wheels built by Rich (silver hubs/velocity quill rims)
>> and Paul brake levers. It arrived a couple of weeks ago and rides like a
>> dream - I’ve found myself finding ways to extend my rides just so I can
>> stay in the saddle. I did a 50 mile ride last weekend and was happily
>> surprised at just how comfortable and zippy the frame and setup was - I was
>> beat at the end, but can’t blame the bike for that :)
>>
>> I’m curious  if there are other Rivendell riders in Western Massachusetts
>> - I’d be happy to organize a ride/cafe meetup if folks are interested. Fall
>> time is the best time to be on a bike here in New England!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> steve.t...@gmail.com
>> cell: 413-658-5788 <(413)%20658-5788>
>> www.stevetheberge.com
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto S84 lugged seat post — new, two available

[NYCbikeguy]

I don't mean to hijack your post, but I have one available as well, new.
I think it's a fair price that clearly sells, so I'll be selling mine for 
$120, shipped.

Thanks.

-IY

On Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 11:43:19 AM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Both seat posts are *sold*. Thanks to all who reached out!
>
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2024 at 10:55:24 AM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> *Update:* one seat post *sold* and *one remaining*. Please reach out if 
>> you're interested. Thanks!
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 1, 2024 at 5:56:10 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I'm offering these two seat posts for $120 shipped (each, 
>>> continental US). These are brand new Nitto model S84, fit 27.2 seat tubes, 
>>> and both are in 250mm length. One is in unopened plastic packaging and the 
>>> other is in the lovely cyan box that has different versions of Nitto's 
>>> fantastic logotype and taglines. 
>>>
>>> (I love Japanese typography and I'm pleasantly perplexed by Nitto's 
>>> inconsistent model nomenclature: either it's S-84 or it's S84, sans dash 
>>> mark, which I prefer.)
>>>
>>> The only bike project ahead of me for a while requires a 26.8 seat post, 
>>> and I'm bummed that I can't use these on a Hunqapillar. Still the most 
>>> beautiful seat posts in my opinion! 
>>>
>>> Please reach out to me privately/directly if you're interested. Apple 
>>> Pay/Apple Cash and Venmo. I ship quickly.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Jim
>>>  
>>>
>>> [image: Nitto S84 lugged seat post 27.2 and 26 clamp 1.jpg]
>>>
>>> [image: Nitto S84 lugged seat post box 2.jpg]
>>>
>>

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