Re: [RBW] Re: 2024 Appaloosa Thread

[Dan]

It's beautiful. Looks comfy and capable and just the right balance of black 
and silver!

On the topic of Appaloosas, and entering the realm of pure speculation:
With a slacker head tube angle (using the Atlantis lugs?) and wider tyre 
clearance, the Appaloosa sounds very similar indeed to the previous 
Atlantis.
I wonder if that leaves room for the next Atlantis to shift to something 
different?

On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 11:31:48 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: IMG_8546.jpg]
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> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:52:50 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
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>> Not derailing at all! Well done on resisting temptation. I agree with you 
>> that the Hog's Back meets a very similar use case to the Joe: an all-round, 
>> all-road tourer that can do anything and go anywhere, if slowly. I was 
>> eyeing off a Hog's Back before I picked up the Joe! Would you mind sharing 
>> photos of your bike - I'd love to see it!
>>
>> On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 04:27:12 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I was vey tempted to get a green one but having thought extensively 
>>> about it, I think I will keep my Bassi Hog's Back and ride that. Aside from 
>>> the very long rear end, the reach is pretty similar and its been hard for 
>>> me to justify selling a whole bike for less than the cost of a frame, 
>>> especially when I have been quite happy with my Bassi. I don't mean to 
>>> derail this conversation at all, but I'm happy with myself for resisting 
>>> such a big temptation. One day Rivendell will take my money, just not this 
>>> round.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:24:58 AM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>
>>> Some great sleuthing and info here!
>>> I’ll add in another one that I’m pretty sure I’m not imagining: the 
>>> chain stays look a tad shorter. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday 10 August 2024 at 22:21:06 UTC+9:30 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>
>>> I noticed they got down tube shifter bosses with the upcoming ones. Kind 
>>> of surprising on a sturdy bike. 
>>> Here is a picture of my 2016 model sky blue 46cm, a 26” wheel bike, my 
>>> first Riv bike purchase.
>>>
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>>> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 4:16:17 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Despite everyone providing fantastic advice regarding my Sam rebuild.  I 
>>> must admit, I am still incredibly interested in replacing the Sam with a 
>>> green Joe.
>>>
>>> Regarding tire clearance specifically…Grant told me this run of Joes 
>>> would now match current Atlantis tire clearances.
>>>
>>> R,
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2024, at 6:27 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>>
>>> Watching thread, and curious about the same thing - especially since 
>>> they felt it necessary to get new prototypes. 
>>>
>>>
>>> The geometry chart still shows it having a slightly steeper headtube and 
>>> shorter top tube than the equivalent Atlantis, which suprises me every time 
>>> I've ever looked for this info.  (You kind of have to extrapolate, because 
>>> the respective sizes alternate.)  Will's email said they will be updating 
>>> the website eventually/soon.
>>>
>>> I've asked this before, but can anyone describe how the various versions 
>>> have evolved over time?  I know the fork legs got stiffer after the first 
>>> batch, and the double top tube was dropped from the larger sizes, but I'm 
>>> particularly interested in geometry and tire clearance improvements. 
>>>
>>> I have more bikes than I need - especially Rivendells - but still always 
>>> daydream about that n+1.  The Appaloosa is the model that has the least 
>>> overlap to the bikes I already have and -  unlike any Atlantis ever - comes 
>>> in a size that would fit me.  If it got longer and slacker, it would be 
>>> even better.  
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[RBW] Re: tire experiment

[Will Boericke]

Only in the Riv group are we calling a 43mm tire "slender".  :)

Will

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 12:34:38 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:

> @Richard,
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> The worst that can happen, if you do not like the SimWorks Homage 43mm 
> tires, I will buy them from you. You can in turn buy a new set of 55mm 
> tires. 
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> The only reason why I bought my 43mm tires is that most of my riding is on 
> asphalt pavement. I wanted a slender tire to give my Clem less contact on 
> pavement with a more of a zippy feeling, than a wider tire knowing that my 
> Clem is a heavy bike.  If I rode more off road, I may consider more riding 
> with the 55mm tires. A couple of months ago, I rode in a group ride that 
> had both hard pack dirt and not too deep gravel. The 43mm tires just did 
> fine.
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> Don't be shy. Give them a try. 
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> Let us know how your new HOMAGE 43mm tires work out for you. 
>
> Kim Hetzel. 
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> On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
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>> This might sound outlandish but I have put over 5,000 miles on a set of 
>> Simworks Homage tires. They are still good. I think (but do not know) that 
>> is unusually high mileage for a set of bicycle tires. Bike is a Clem L and 
>> tires are 27.5 x 55 mounted with tubes on Cliffhanger rims. I've been 
>> planning to get new ones and have been contemplating 2 things; going to the 
>> smaller 43mm tires and second, trying the mint green ones. I won't bore you 
>> with the color question.:) I am thinking of trying the smaller tires as the 
>> Clem has evolved into being used primarily on pavement and smoothish 
>> gravel. As this is a Clem we are talking about weight has never been a 
>> concern of mine but this will save me over 13 ounces of rotational weight. 
>> I fear it will not be worth the weight savings as the 55's are just so 
>> plush. But, I found a relatively inexpensive set so going to give it a try. 
>> I've recommended these tires to others but to my knowledge only Kim H. has 
>> given them a try. Kim reports he likes the 43's but might give the 55's a 
>> go. What I am hoping for is a more snappy feeling bike that does not 
>> sacrifice comfort. We shall see.
>
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[RBW] Re: tire experiment

[Doug H.]

Indeed 43 mm are generally not slender but I had a set of 42s on my Clem 
for awhile and they look slender on it. I found them good on pavement and 
good enough on gravel. Let us know how they work for you Richard!
Doug

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 7:06:07 AM UTC-4 Will Boericke wrote:

> Only in the Riv group are we calling a 43mm tire "slender".  :)
>
> Will
>
> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 12:34:38 AM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Richard,
>>
>> The worst that can happen, if you do not like the SimWorks Homage 43mm 
>> tires, I will buy them from you. You can in turn buy a new set of 55mm 
>> tires. 
>>
>> The only reason why I bought my 43mm tires is that most of my riding is 
>> on asphalt pavement. I wanted a slender tire to give my Clem less contact 
>> on pavement with a more of a zippy feeling, than a wider tire knowing that 
>> my Clem is a heavy bike.  If I rode more off road, I may consider more 
>> riding with the 55mm tires. A couple of months ago, I rode in a group ride 
>> that had both hard pack dirt and not too deep gravel. The 43mm tires just 
>> did fine.
>>
>> Don't be shy. Give them a try. 
>>
>> Let us know how your new HOMAGE 43mm tires work out for you. 
>>
>> Kim Hetzel. 
>>
>> On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-7 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>>> This might sound outlandish but I have put over 5,000 miles on a set of 
>>> Simworks Homage tires. They are still good. I think (but do not know) that 
>>> is unusually high mileage for a set of bicycle tires. Bike is a Clem L and 
>>> tires are 27.5 x 55 mounted with tubes on Cliffhanger rims. I've been 
>>> planning to get new ones and have been contemplating 2 things; going to the 
>>> smaller 43mm tires and second, trying the mint green ones. I won't bore you 
>>> with the color question.:) I am thinking of trying the smaller tires as the 
>>> Clem has evolved into being used primarily on pavement and smoothish 
>>> gravel. As this is a Clem we are talking about weight has never been a 
>>> concern of mine but this will save me over 13 ounces of rotational weight. 
>>> I fear it will not be worth the weight savings as the 55's are just so 
>>> plush. But, I found a relatively inexpensive set so going to give it a try. 
>>> I've recommended these tires to others but to my knowledge only Kim H. has 
>>> given them a try. Kim reports he likes the 43's but might give the 55's a 
>>> go. What I am hoping for is a more snappy feeling bike that does not 
>>> sacrifice comfort. We shall see.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Well, not *quite* the same ... bike and baguettes

[Steve]

Love the picture - Classic !!!   I was three years old when it was 
taken.  

On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 7:05:43 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Hah! I was born in 1955. The grandson is 6-8 years older than I now.
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 5:02 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> On the way home from church today I stopped at Albertson's to stuff 2 
>> baguettes plus tuna, rum, wine, coke (the drink, Mexican, sugar) and 
>> potatoes into my Arkel panniers. The baguettes reminded me of the iconic 
>> Nat Geog photo by Elliot Erwitt, *Boy, Bicycle, and Baguette,* from (I 
>> think) 1955.
>>
>> No route nationale, no grandson, but the Albertson's baguettes are 
>> alright for cheap US imitations and I rode home on our beautiful acequia 
>> ditchbank roads.
>>
>> -- 
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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>>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] ISO Way Setback 26.6mm Seatpost for Betty Foy

[Caroline Golum]

Thanks all! 

I ended up buying the Sake Ringyo MTE-100 at Kim's suggestion! 

Currently using my backup B67 right now, as the B17 is out for repairs, but 
will report back once the seatpost and my regular saddle are back in the 
rotation. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: tire experiment

[Patrick Moore]

The nominally 48 mm, actually 49+ mm (27 mm IW rims) Oracle Ridges on my
Matthews dirt road bike look svelte and slim compared to the 60s they
replaced and compared to the 72 mm WTB Rangers on the Monocog I used to
own. They almost look lost under the 80 mm Kelpie fenders (designed for 72
X 584 and 60 X 622 tires) In fact, ~50 mm is the narrowest I'll use for an
allrounder bike in our sandy soil conditions.

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:08 AM Doug H.  wrote:

> Indeed 43 mm are generally not slender but I had a set of 42s on my Clem
> for awhile and they look slender on it. I found them good on pavement and
> good enough on gravel. Let us know how they work for you Richard!
> Doug
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> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 7:06:07 AM UTC-4 Will Boericke wrote:
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>> Only in the Riv group are we calling a 43mm tire "slender".  :)
>>
>> Will
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa sizing advice

[Dan]

Just wanted to share an update! I gave them a call today and spoke with 
Vince. He was really helpful and was confident I’d be happiest with a 57. 
Although my PBH is an in between for the Appaloosa, with larger tires, the 
57 would be a more manageable ride.
On Thursday, August 8, 2024 at 6:18:50 PM UTC-4 gre...@gmail.com wrote:

> I don't know that I would recommend the 60 for you. I'm 6'2 PBH 90. I ride 
> the 60 cm Appaloosa and it's a nice big bike for what I like. It has a very 
> long top tube. So although you might be able to stand over it it might 
> stretch you out a bit. I think a 57 would be a good option.
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> On Tuesday, July 30, 2024 at 11:50:24 a.m. UTC-6 Dan wrote:
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>> Hey All! I am getting ready to get an appaloosa when Rivendell restocks 
>> them and I am trying to figure out the proper size. I measured my PBH 10 
>> times. The average came to 91 exactly, top end was 91.8 and lowest was 89.5 
>> (which was likely an error anyway). Overall most measurements measure 
>> between 90.5 and 91.5. I am just shy of 6 foot tall. Based on the geometry 
>> chart, I am on the low end of a 60cm frame. I already have a 60cm frame 
>> bike but it is an 88 Shcwinn Le Tour and it can be quite uncomfortable. I 
>> know the Appaloosa would be significantly different but this will be a 
>> major financial investment for me and I want to make sure I am making the 
>> correct choice. Would anyone be able to share their opinions on what I may 
>> want to go with?
>> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: Well, not *quite* the same ... bike and baguettes

[Steve]

There are "baguettes" and then there are "baguettes Français"

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4 Paul M wrote:

> Are you sure that is a baguette on the Frenchman's rear rack or is it a 
> walking stick? It's huge!
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> On Monday 12 August 2024 at 05:43:48 UTC-7 Steve wrote:
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>> Love the picture - Classic !!!   I was three years old when it was 
>> taken.  
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>> On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 7:05:43 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
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>>> Hah! I was born in 1955. The grandson is 6-8 years older than I now.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 5:02 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 On the way home from church today I stopped at Albertson's to stuff 2 
 baguettes plus tuna, rum, wine, coke (the drink, Mexican, sugar) and 
 potatoes into my Arkel panniers. The baguettes reminded me of the iconic 
 Nat Geog photo by Elliot Erwitt, *Boy, Bicycle, and Baguette,* from (I 
 think) 1955.

 No route nationale, no grandson, but the Albertson's baguettes are 
 alright for cheap US imitations and I rode home on our beautiful acequia 
 ditchbank roads.

 -- 

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 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[RBW] Re: Well, not *quite* the same ... bike and baguettes

[RichS]

Post of the day Patrick, at least so far. And maybe the most fun. Now we'll 
all be vying for who can find the longest baguette to carry on their 
bike:-)))

Best,
Rich in ATL
On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4 Paul M wrote:

> Are you sure that is a baguette on the Frenchman's rear rack or is it a 
> walking stick? It's huge!
>
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> On Monday 12 August 2024 at 05:43:48 UTC-7 Steve wrote:
>
>> Love the picture - Classic !!!   I was three years old when it was 
>> taken.  
>>
>> On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 7:05:43 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Hah! I was born in 1955. The grandson is 6-8 years older than I now.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 5:02 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 On the way home from church today I stopped at Albertson's to stuff 2 
 baguettes plus tuna, rum, wine, coke (the drink, Mexican, sugar) and 
 potatoes into my Arkel panniers. The baguettes reminded me of the iconic 
 Nat Geog photo by Elliot Erwitt, *Boy, Bicycle, and Baguette,* from (I 
 think) 1955.

 No route nationale, no grandson, but the Albertson's baguettes are 
 alright for cheap US imitations and I rode home on our beautiful acequia 
 ditchbank roads.

 -- 

 Patrick Moore
 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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 *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*

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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Jeff Lyon lightweight steel frameset

[Eliot Balogh]

No longer available. Listed as an ebay auction. Current winning bid is
$2.25. If it fits you don't be shy.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 8:19 AM Eliot Balogh  wrote:

> Price drop to $875 shipped
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 2:08 PM Brian Campbell 
> wrote:
>
>> I have 2, L' avecaise frames from Jeff Lyon.
>> The first is set up as a dedicated Rando bike and the other as a lighter
>> weight, road bike.
>> Both are 59cm ST, 58 cm TT, 700c wheels and can fit 35mm tires and
>> fenders with dual pivot brakes.
>> 28mm, 7-4-7 top tube and 38mm down tubes
>> Seat & Headtube angle 72.5 degrees
>> BB drop 78mm
>> Chainstay Length 44cm
>> Fork rake 58mm
>> Both frames weigh just a hair over 6lbs with the 1 1/8 fork included.
>> I think they ride great and if the frame for sale rides anything like
>> mine, I think the buyer will be very pleased.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 9:34:55 AM UTC-4 lukeheller wrote:
>>
>>> Dang, i love this.
>>> I've been after a Lyon or Lyon adjacent.
>>> Actually called Jess last fall and inquired about a new frame but he was
>>> not taking new orders due to aging challenges.
>>> This seems like a great deal and a great fit for someone!
>>>
>>> If the STA were 72 or slacker, i'd likely gobble this up!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 9:57:20 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey Bill,

 I’m waiting to hear back from Jeff Lyon for the details. With the light
 weight and 435 stays I’m guessing cross vs sport tour. STA is 73, HTA 72,
 my gross measurement of stack and reach were ~400 +/- 5mm and 600, rear end
 is 130mm

 I’ll see if I can’t get an approximate BB drop with a line level.

 Eliot

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 4:29 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Do you have any idea what it is?  Like, is it a cyclocross frame?  Is
> it a gravel frame?  Is it a touring frame?  Any idea of the Stack and
> Reach, or angles, and BB drop?  Over Locknut Dimension in back?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I apologize if this isn’t allowed here. Just figured this bunch would
>> appreciate it.
>> Selling this early 2000s custom steel Lyon frameset. I know you don’t
>> care about weight but the frameset weighs in at just under 6 lbs with the
>> headset. It has clearance for 40-42mm 700c tires in the front and more in
>> the back. Cool touches like the integrated cable hanger, fillet brazing 
>> and
>> tube supports.
>>
>> 58cm x 58cm CTC. 435mm chainstay. 1in threadless headset (steer can
>> be shimmed for 1 1/8) previous owner must have ran some massive tires
>> because it’s lost some paint from tire rub. It’s been sanded and painted
>> over with touch up (sorry I couldn’t get a match). Fortunately areas 
>> aren’t
>> conspicuous.
>>
>> No idea on value but figured I’d start asking at $1000 shipped? Feel
>> free to make me an offer.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/cgmJxfq
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Swallows

[CMR]

All sold - thanks!

On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 10:59:45 PM UTC-7 CMR wrote:

> Black and brown* of course.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2024 Appaloosa Thread

[Josh C]

I personally wish they’d bring back the double top tube. I like the look of 
the green one tho, looked killer on the Platy. 

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 4:43:28 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote:

> It's beautiful. Looks comfy and capable and just the right balance of 
> black and silver!
>
> On the topic of Appaloosas, and entering the realm of pure speculation:
> With a slacker head tube angle (using the Atlantis lugs?) and wider tyre 
> clearance, the Appaloosa sounds very similar indeed to the previous 
> Atlantis.
> I wonder if that leaves room for the next Atlantis to shift to something 
> different?
>
> On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 11:31:48 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_8546.jpg]
>>
>> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:52:50 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>
>>> Not derailing at all! Well done on resisting temptation. I agree with 
>>> you that the Hog's Back meets a very similar use case to the Joe: an 
>>> all-round, all-road tourer that can do anything and go anywhere, if slowly. 
>>> I was eyeing off a Hog's Back before I picked up the Joe! Would you mind 
>>> sharing photos of your bike - I'd love to see it!
>>>
>>> On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 04:27:12 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I was vey tempted to get a green one but having thought extensively 
 about it, I think I will keep my Bassi Hog's Back and ride that. Aside 
 from 
 the very long rear end, the reach is pretty similar and its been hard for 
 me to justify selling a whole bike for less than the cost of a frame, 
 especially when I have been quite happy with my Bassi. I don't mean to 
 derail this conversation at all, but I'm happy with myself for resisting 
 such a big temptation. One day Rivendell will take my money, just not this 
 round.

 On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:24:58 AM UTC-6 Dan wrote:

 Some great sleuthing and info here!
 I’ll add in another one that I’m pretty sure I’m not imagining: the 
 chain stays look a tad shorter. 

 On Saturday 10 August 2024 at 22:21:06 UTC+9:30 Dorothy C wrote:

 I noticed they got down tube shifter bosses with the upcoming ones. 
 Kind of surprising on a sturdy bike. 
 Here is a picture of my 2016 model sky blue 46cm, a 26” wheel bike, my 
 first Riv bike purchase.




 On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 4:16:17 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Despite everyone providing fantastic advice regarding my Sam rebuild. 
  I must admit, I am still incredibly interested in replacing the Sam with 
 a 
 green Joe.

 Regarding tire clearance specifically…Grant told me this run of Joes 
 would now match current Atlantis tire clearances.

 R,

 Drew

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 10, 2024, at 6:27 AM, iamkeith  wrote:

 Watching thread, and curious about the same thing - especially since 
 they felt it necessary to get new prototypes. 


 The geometry chart still shows it having a slightly steeper headtube 
 and shorter top tube than the equivalent Atlantis, which suprises me every 
 time I've ever looked for this info.  (You kind of have to extrapolate, 
 because the respective sizes alternate.)  Will's email said they will be 
 updating the website eventually/soon.

 I've asked this before, but can anyone describe how the various 
 versions have evolved over time?  I know the fork legs got stiffer after 
 the first batch, and the double top tube was dropped from the larger 
 sizes, 
 but I'm particularly interested in geometry and tire clearance 
 improvements. 

 I have more bikes than I need - especially Rivendells - but still 
 always daydream about that n+1.  The Appaloosa is the model that has the 
 least overlap to the bikes I already have and -  unlike any Atlantis ever 
 - 
 comes in a size that would fit me.  If it got longer and slacker, it would 
 be even better.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Jeff Lyon lightweight steel frameset

[Mike Godwin]

Hi Eliot

Did you ever get an opportunity to put some wheels on and measure the stand 
over height? 
Mike SLO CA

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> No longer available. Listed as an ebay auction. Current winning bid is 
> $2.25. If it fits you don't be shy.
>
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 8:19 AM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>
>> Price drop to $875 shipped
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 2:08 PM Brian Campbell  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have 2, L' avecaise frames from Jeff Lyon. 
>>> The first is set up as a dedicated Rando bike and the other as a lighter 
>>> weight, road bike. 
>>> Both are 59cm ST, 58 cm TT, 700c wheels and can fit 35mm tires and 
>>> fenders with dual pivot brakes.
>>> 28mm, 7-4-7 top tube and 38mm down tubes
>>> Seat & Headtube angle 72.5 degrees
>>> BB drop 78mm
>>> Chainstay Length 44cm
>>> Fork rake 58mm
>>> Both frames weigh just a hair over 6lbs with the 1 1/8 fork included.
>>> I think they ride great and if the frame for sale rides anything like 
>>> mine, I think the buyer will be very pleased.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 9:34:55 AM UTC-4 lukeheller wrote:
>>>
 Dang, i love this. 
 I've been after a Lyon or Lyon adjacent.
 Actually called Jess last fall and inquired about a new frame but he 
 was not taking new orders due to aging challenges.
 This seems like a great deal and a great fit for someone!

 If the STA were 72 or slacker, i'd likely gobble this up!


 On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 9:57:20 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Bill,
>
> I’m waiting to hear back from Jeff Lyon for the details. With the 
> light weight and 435 stays I’m guessing cross vs sport tour. STA is 73, 
> HTA 
> 72, my gross measurement of stack and reach were ~400 +/- 5mm and 600, 
> rear 
> end is 130mm
>
> I’ll see if I can’t get an approximate BB drop with a line level. 
>
> Eliot
>
> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 4:29 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Do you have any idea what it is?  Like, is it a cyclocross frame?  Is 
>> it a gravel frame?  Is it a touring frame?  Any idea of the Stack and 
>> Reach, or angles, and BB drop?  Over Locknut Dimension in back?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I apologize if this isn’t allowed here. Just figured this bunch 
>>> would appreciate it.
>>> Selling this early 2000s custom steel Lyon frameset. I know you 
>>> don’t care about weight but the frameset weighs in at just under 6 lbs 
>>> with 
>>> the headset. It has clearance for 40-42mm 700c tires in the front and 
>>> more 
>>> in the back. Cool touches like the integrated cable hanger, fillet 
>>> brazing 
>>> and tube supports.
>>>
>>> 58cm x 58cm CTC. 435mm chainstay. 1in threadless headset (steer can 
>>> be shimmed for 1 1/8) previous owner must have ran some massive tires 
>>> because it’s lost some paint from tire rub. It’s been sanded and 
>>> painted 
>>> over with touch up (sorry I couldn’t get a match). Fortunately areas 
>>> aren’t 
>>> conspicuous. 
>>>
>>> No idea on value but figured I’d start asking at $1000 shipped? Feel 
>>> free to make me an offer. 
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/cgmJxfq
>>>
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[RBW] Re: WTT

[Mike Godwin]

But will those do equal duty, DT or BE shifters?
Mike SLO CA

On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 6:03:19 PM UTC-7 alan lavine wrote:

> Should have been clearer, sorry. I'm specifically looking for 9 Spd 
> indexed DT shifters, instead of my NIB bar end shifters.
> Alan
>
> On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 12:11:55 PM UTC-4 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> @Alan,
>>
>> What are you looking for to trade ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel.
>>
>> On Sunday, August 11, 2024 at 8:50:18 AM UTC-7 alan lavine wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all, 
>>> I have these 9 spd bar end shifters, NIB. I need 9 spd DT shifters. 
>>> Whacha got? 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Alan NYC 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Jeff Lyon lightweight steel frameset

[Eliot Balogh]

Hey Mike, I don’t remember getting that request. Sorry about that. I don’t
have wheels for it any more but would guesstimate 820-830 based on a test
ride when I bought it and past experience.

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 11:14 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Hi Eliot
>
> Did you ever get an opportunity to put some wheels on and measure the
> stand over height?
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> No longer available. Listed as an ebay auction. Current winning bid is
>> $2.25. If it fits you don't be shy.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 8:19 AM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>>
>>> Price drop to $875 shipped
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 2:08 PM Brian Campbell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> I have 2, L' avecaise frames from Jeff Lyon.
 The first is set up as a dedicated Rando bike and the other as a
 lighter weight, road bike.
 Both are 59cm ST, 58 cm TT, 700c wheels and can fit 35mm tires and
 fenders with dual pivot brakes.
 28mm, 7-4-7 top tube and 38mm down tubes
 Seat & Headtube angle 72.5 degrees
 BB drop 78mm
 Chainstay Length 44cm
 Fork rake 58mm
 Both frames weigh just a hair over 6lbs with the 1 1/8 fork included.
 I think they ride great and if the frame for sale rides anything like
 mine, I think the buyer will be very pleased.


 On Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 9:34:55 AM UTC-4 lukeheller wrote:

> Dang, i love this.
> I've been after a Lyon or Lyon adjacent.
> Actually called Jess last fall and inquired about a new frame but he
> was not taking new orders due to aging challenges.
> This seems like a great deal and a great fit for someone!
>
> If the STA were 72 or slacker, i'd likely gobble this up!
>
>
> On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 9:57:20 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Bill,
>>
>> I’m waiting to hear back from Jeff Lyon for the details. With the
>> light weight and 435 stays I’m guessing cross vs sport tour. STA is 73, 
>> HTA
>> 72, my gross measurement of stack and reach were ~400 +/- 5mm and 600, 
>> rear
>> end is 130mm
>>
>> I’ll see if I can’t get an approximate BB drop with a line level.
>>
>> Eliot
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 4:29 PM Bill Lindsay 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have any idea what it is?  Like, is it a cyclocross frame?
>>> Is it a gravel frame?  Is it a touring frame?  Any idea of the Stack and
>>> Reach, or angles, and BB drop?  Over Locknut Dimension in back?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I apologize if this isn’t allowed here. Just figured this bunch
 would appreciate it.
 Selling this early 2000s custom steel Lyon frameset. I know you
 don’t care about weight but the frameset weighs in at just under 6 lbs 
 with
 the headset. It has clearance for 40-42mm 700c tires in the front and 
 more
 in the back. Cool touches like the integrated cable hanger, fillet 
 brazing
 and tube supports.

 58cm x 58cm CTC. 435mm chainstay. 1in threadless headset (steer can
 be shimmed for 1 1/8) previous owner must have ran some massive tires
 because it’s lost some paint from tire rub. It’s been sanded and 
 painted
 over with touch up (sorry I couldn’t get a match). Fortunately areas 
 aren’t
 conspicuous.

 No idea on value but figured I’d start asking at $1000 shipped?
 Feel free to make me an offer.

 https://imgur.com/a/cgmJxfq

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[RBW] Anodized Silver vs Polished Components. Which do you prefer?

[Michael]

I'm struggling to decide between polished vs anodized silver for Bronze 
Green Sam build. This would be for
-Brakes
-Brake Levers
-Rims
-Edelux Light

I went into this sold on polished but folks at Riv have me reconsidering. 
Anyone have input?
Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Anodized Silver vs Polished Components. Which do you prefer?

[Brian Turner]

Why not have some fun with it? I like to have some sort of anodized
component color on all my bikes. My trouble is, that color usually turns
out to be gold no matter what... but it's fun and I think it looks cool.

Brian
Lex KY

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Re: [RBW] Anodized Silver vs Polished Components. Which do you prefer?

[luckyturnip]

I have a titanium bike completely outfitted in polished goodies (Paul, White Industries, Velocity), and I have to say it’s gorgeous. I won this bike in a raffle and never would have treated myself to such luxury but it’s really a sight to see. I have the regular silver Paul brake levers and thumbies on a different bike and while the parts are awesome looking in that smoothly utilitarian Paul way, they don’t have the same luxury vibe (insane to say this about Paul, I know). I say if the bike is super special to you, go polished. LizOn Aug 12, 2024, at 12:12, Michael  wrote:I'm struggling to decide between polished vs anodized silver for Bronze Green Sam build. This would be for-Brakes-Brake Levers-Rims-Edelux LightI went into this sold on polished but folks at Riv have me reconsidering. Anyone have input?Thanks



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Re: [RBW] Anodized Silver vs Polished Components. Which do you prefer?

[Brian Turner]

My apologies. I misread your question. I assumed you were asking if you
should go with polished or an anodized ("pop") color.
In that respect, I tend to go down the path of letting the rim finish
choice dictate whether most of the other stuff is polished or just silver.

Brian
Lex KY

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[RBW] Re: Free for shipping cost, CR720s

[Thomas McCause]

gone...thanks, all!


On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 1:42:00 PM UTC-6 Thomas McCause wrote:

> I have a spare set of the Tektro CR720 arms and springs.
> I don't have any spare pads and I don't have the mounting bolts.  That 
> said, if you want them, I'll ship them as inexpensively as possible.
>
> Thomas
> Fruita, CO [image: 20240810_144612.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Brent Eastman]

I'm 6'1 with longer arms and I LOVE my 57 sam, fit's like a glove. I have 
Billie bars on there now. 

My good friends are also both 6'1 and ride 57 sams. The most recent one was 
a 2024 and Riv staff suggested 60cm, he went with the 57 with albatross 
bars, he's thrilled. 




On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:06:45 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
> some other beverage as a thank you!
>
> David
> Berkeley, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Jeff Lyon lightweight steel frameset

[Bill Lindsay]

I threw a $400 bid at it just for fun, and because it pisses me off that 4 
people already bid $50 or less on it, because they are bottom feeders.  If 
I win and you don't want to sell it at that price, I'll let you keep it.  I 
respect the no-reserve-one-dollar auction to let the market decide what 
something is worth.  I hope it goes way up.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 11:47:22 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Mike, I don’t remember getting that request. Sorry about that. I don’t 
> have wheels for it any more but would guesstimate 820-830 based on a test 
> ride when I bought it and past experience.
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 11:14 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
>> Hi Eliot
>>
>> Did you ever get an opportunity to put some wheels on and measure the 
>> stand over height? 
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> No longer available. Listed as an ebay auction. Current winning bid is 
>>> $2.25. If it fits you don't be shy.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 8:19 AM Eliot Balogh  wrote:
>>>
 Price drop to $875 shipped

 On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 2:08 PM Brian Campbell  
 wrote:

>>> I have 2, L' avecaise frames from Jeff Lyon. 
> The first is set up as a dedicated Rando bike and the other as a 
> lighter weight, road bike. 
> Both are 59cm ST, 58 cm TT, 700c wheels and can fit 35mm tires and 
> fenders with dual pivot brakes.
> 28mm, 7-4-7 top tube and 38mm down tubes
> Seat & Headtube angle 72.5 degrees
> BB drop 78mm
> Chainstay Length 44cm
> Fork rake 58mm
> Both frames weigh just a hair over 6lbs with the 1 1/8 fork included.
> I think they ride great and if the frame for sale rides anything like 
> mine, I think the buyer will be very pleased.
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 9:34:55 AM UTC-4 lukeheller wrote:
>
>> Dang, i love this. 
>> I've been after a Lyon or Lyon adjacent.
>> Actually called Jess last fall and inquired about a new frame but he 
>> was not taking new orders due to aging challenges.
>> This seems like a great deal and a great fit for someone!
>>
>> If the STA were 72 or slacker, i'd likely gobble this up!
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 9:57:20 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Bill,
>>>
>>> I’m waiting to hear back from Jeff Lyon for the details. With the 
>>> light weight and 435 stays I’m guessing cross vs sport tour. STA is 73, 
>>> HTA 
>>> 72, my gross measurement of stack and reach were ~400 +/- 5mm and 600, 
>>> rear 
>>> end is 130mm
>>>
>>> I’ll see if I can’t get an approximate BB drop with a line level. 
>>>
>>> Eliot
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 4:29 PM Bill Lindsay  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Do you have any idea what it is?  Like, is it a cyclocross frame?  
 Is it a gravel frame?  Is it a touring frame?  Any idea of the Stack 
 and 
 Reach, or angles, and BB drop?  Over Locknut Dimension in back?

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I apologize if this isn’t allowed here. Just figured this bunch 
> would appreciate it.
> Selling this early 2000s custom steel Lyon frameset. I know you 
> don’t care about weight but the frameset weighs in at just under 6 
> lbs with 
> the headset. It has clearance for 40-42mm 700c tires in the front and 
> more 
> in the back. Cool touches like the integrated cable hanger, fillet 
> brazing 
> and tube supports.
>
> 58cm x 58cm CTC. 435mm chainstay. 1in threadless headset (steer 
> can be shimmed for 1 1/8) previous owner must have ran some massive 
> tires 
> because it’s lost some paint from tire rub. It’s been sanded and 
> painted 
> over with touch up (sorry I couldn’t get a match). Fortunately areas 
> aren’t 
> conspicuous. 
>
> No idea on value but figured I’d start asking at $1000 shipped? 
> Feel free to make me an offer. 
>
> https://imgur.com/a/cgmJxfq
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2024 Appaloosa Thread

[Armand Kizirian]

FYI I spoke to Grant over the phone today and the new Appaloosa's are 
indeed slacker. They have a 70 degree head tube angle in order to increase 
the front-center and wheelbase. Apparently better for trail riding with no 
downside to paved riding.  

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 11:12:39 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:

> I personally wish they’d bring back the double top tube. I like the look 
> of the green one tho, looked killer on the Platy. 
>
> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 4:43:28 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote:
>
>> It's beautiful. Looks comfy and capable and just the right balance of 
>> black and silver!
>>
>> On the topic of Appaloosas, and entering the realm of pure speculation:
>> With a slacker head tube angle (using the Atlantis lugs?) and wider tyre 
>> clearance, the Appaloosa sounds very similar indeed to the previous 
>> Atlantis.
>> I wonder if that leaves room for the next Atlantis to shift to something 
>> different?
>>
>> On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 11:31:48 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_8546.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:52:50 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>>>
 Not derailing at all! Well done on resisting temptation. I agree with 
 you that the Hog's Back meets a very similar use case to the Joe: an 
 all-round, all-road tourer that can do anything and go anywhere, if 
 slowly. 
 I was eyeing off a Hog's Back before I picked up the Joe! Would you mind 
 sharing photos of your bike - I'd love to see it!

 On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 04:27:12 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I was vey tempted to get a green one but having thought 
> extensively about it, I think I will keep my Bassi Hog's Back and ride 
> that. Aside from the very long rear end, the reach is pretty similar and 
> its been hard for me to justify selling a whole bike for less than the 
> cost 
> of a frame, especially when I have been quite happy with my Bassi. I 
> don't 
> mean to derail this conversation at all, but I'm happy with myself for 
> resisting such a big temptation. One day Rivendell will take my money, 
> just 
> not this round.
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:24:58 AM UTC-6 Dan wrote:
>
> Some great sleuthing and info here!
> I’ll add in another one that I’m pretty sure I’m not imagining: the 
> chain stays look a tad shorter. 
>
> On Saturday 10 August 2024 at 22:21:06 UTC+9:30 Dorothy C wrote:
>
> I noticed they got down tube shifter bosses with the upcoming ones. 
> Kind of surprising on a sturdy bike. 
> Here is a picture of my 2016 model sky blue 46cm, a 26” wheel bike, my 
> first Riv bike purchase.
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 4:16:17 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> Despite everyone providing fantastic advice regarding my Sam rebuild. 
>  I must admit, I am still incredibly interested in replacing the Sam with 
> a 
> green Joe.
>
> Regarding tire clearance specifically…Grant told me this run of Joes 
> would now match current Atlantis tire clearances.
>
> R,
>
> Drew
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 10, 2024, at 6:27 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>
> Watching thread, and curious about the same thing - especially since 
> they felt it necessary to get new prototypes. 
>
>
> The geometry chart still shows it having a slightly steeper headtube 
> and shorter top tube than the equivalent Atlantis, which suprises me 
> every 
> time I've ever looked for this info.  (You kind of have to extrapolate, 
> because the respective sizes alternate.)  Will's email said they will be 
> updating the website eventually/soon.
>
> I've asked this before, but can anyone describe how the various 
> versions have evolved over time?  I know the fork legs got stiffer after 
> the first batch, and the double top tube was dropped from the larger 
> sizes, 
> but I'm particularly interested in geometry and tire clearance 
> improvements. 
>
> I have more bikes than I need - especially Rivendells - but still 
> always daydream about that n+1.  The Appaloosa is the model that has the 
> least overlap to the bikes I already have and -  unlike any Atlantis ever 
> - 
> comes in a size that would fit me.  If it got longer and slacker, it 
> would 
> be even better.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 2024 Appaloosa Thread

['Ken Geel' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Glad I reserved one with Analog Cycles. Have a feeling they’re going to sell out fast!Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 12, 2024, at 7:43 PM, Armand Kizirian  wrote:FYI I spoke to Grant over the phone today and the new Appaloosa's are indeed slacker. They have a 70 degree head tube angle in order to increase the front-center and wheelbase. Apparently better for trail riding with no downside to paved riding.  On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 11:12:39 AM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:I personally wish they’d bring back the double top tube. I like the look of the green one tho, looked killer on the Platy. On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 4:43:28 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote:It's beautiful. Looks comfy and capable and just the right balance of black and silver!On the topic of Appaloosas, and entering the realm of pure speculation:With a slacker head tube angle (using the Atlantis lugs?) and wider tyre clearance, the Appaloosa sounds very similar indeed to the previous Atlantis.I wonder if that leaves room for the next Atlantis to shift to something different?On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 11:31:48 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com wrote:On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:52:50 PM UTC-6 Dan wrote:Not derailing at all! Well done on resisting temptation. I agree with you that the Hog's Back meets a very similar use case to the Joe: an all-round, all-road tourer that can do anything and go anywhere, if slowly. I was eyeing off a Hog's Back before I picked up the Joe! Would you mind sharing photos of your bike - I'd love to see it!On Sunday 11 August 2024 at 04:27:12 UTC+9:30 trevor@gmail.com wrote:I was vey tempted to get a green one but having thought extensively about it, I think I will keep my Bassi Hog's Back and ride that. Aside from the very long rear end, the reach is pretty similar and its been hard for me to justify selling a whole bike for less than the cost of a frame, especially when I have been quite happy with my Bassi. I don't mean to derail this conversation at all, but I'm happy with myself for resisting such a big temptation. One day Rivendell will take my money, just not this round.On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 7:24:58 AM UTC-6 Dan wrote:Some great sleuthing and info here!I’ll add in another one that I’m pretty sure I’m not imagining: the chain stays look a tad shorter. On Saturday 10 August 2024 at 22:21:06 UTC+9:30 Dorothy C wrote:I noticed they got down tube shifter bosses with the upcoming ones. Kind of surprising on a sturdy bike. Here is a picture of my 2016 model sky blue 46cm, a 26” wheel bike, my first Riv bike purchase.On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 4:16:17 AM UTC-7 drew.jo...@gmail.com wrote:Despite everyone providing fantastic advice regarding my Sam rebuild.  I must admit, I am still incredibly interested in replacing the Sam with a green Joe.Regarding tire clearance specifically…Grant told me this run of Joes would now match current Atlantis tire clearances.R,DrewSent from my iPhoneOn Aug 10, 2024, at 6:27 AM, iamkeith  wrote:Watching thread, and curious about the same thing - especially since they felt it necessary to get new prototypes. The geometry chart still shows it having a slightly steeper headtube and shorter top tube than the equivalent Atlantis, which suprises me every time I've ever looked for this info.  (You kind of have to extrapolate, because the respective sizes alternate.)  Will's email said they will be updating the website eventually/soon.I've asked this before, but can anyone describe how the various versions have evolved over time?  I know the fork legs got stiffer after the first batch, and the double top tube was dropped from the larger sizes, but I'm particularly interested in geometry and tire clearance improvements. I have more bikes than I need - especially Rivendells - but still always daydream about that n+1.  The Appaloosa is the model that has the least overlap to the bikes I already have and -  unlike any Atlantis ever - comes in a size that would fit me.  If it got longer and slacker, it would be even better.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom Jeff Lyon lightweight steel frameset

[Eliot Balogh]

Haha that’s awesome Bill. You’re welcome to it at that price if you win.
I’d hope for more but it doesn’t fit me and I have other projects that
could use the bike funds.

Thanks

Eliot

On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 3:38 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I threw a $400 bid at it just for fun, and because it pisses me off that 4
> people already bid $50 or less on it, because they are bottom feeders.  If
> I win and you don't want to sell it at that price, I'll let you keep it.  I
> respect the no-reserve-one-dollar auction to let the market decide what
> something is worth.  I hope it goes way up.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 11:47:22 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Mike, I don’t remember getting that request. Sorry about that. I
>> don’t have wheels for it any more but would guesstimate 820-830 based on a
>> test ride when I bought it and past experience.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 11:14 AM Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Eliot
>>>
>>> Did you ever get an opportunity to put some wheels on and measure the
>>> stand over height?
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 10:40:20 AM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No longer available. Listed as an ebay auction. Current winning bid is
 $2.25. If it fits you don't be shy.

 On Wed, Aug 7, 2024 at 8:19 AM Eliot Balogh  wrote:

> Price drop to $875 shipped
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 2:08 PM Brian Campbell 
> wrote:
>
 I have 2, L' avecaise frames from Jeff Lyon.
>> The first is set up as a dedicated Rando bike and the other as a
>> lighter weight, road bike.
>> Both are 59cm ST, 58 cm TT, 700c wheels and can fit 35mm tires and
>> fenders with dual pivot brakes.
>> 28mm, 7-4-7 top tube and 38mm down tubes
>> Seat & Headtube angle 72.5 degrees
>> BB drop 78mm
>> Chainstay Length 44cm
>> Fork rake 58mm
>> Both frames weigh just a hair over 6lbs with the 1 1/8 fork included.
>> I think they ride great and if the frame for sale rides anything like
>> mine, I think the buyer will be very pleased.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 6, 2024 at 9:34:55 AM UTC-4 lukeheller wrote:
>>
>>> Dang, i love this.
>>> I've been after a Lyon or Lyon adjacent.
>>> Actually called Jess last fall and inquired about a new frame but he
>>> was not taking new orders due to aging challenges.
>>> This seems like a great deal and a great fit for someone!
>>>
>>> If the STA were 72 or slacker, i'd likely gobble this up!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 9:57:20 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Bill,

 I’m waiting to hear back from Jeff Lyon for the details. With the
 light weight and 435 stays I’m guessing cross vs sport tour. STA is 
 73, HTA
 72, my gross measurement of stack and reach were ~400 +/- 5mm and 600, 
 rear
 end is 130mm

 I’ll see if I can’t get an approximate BB drop with a line level.

 Eliot

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 4:29 PM Bill Lindsay 
 wrote:

> Do you have any idea what it is?  Like, is it a cyclocross frame?
> Is it a gravel frame?  Is it a touring frame?  Any idea of the Stack 
> and
> Reach, or angles, and BB drop?  Over Locknut Dimension in back?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 5, 2024 at 1:28:30 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I apologize if this isn’t allowed here. Just figured this bunch
>> would appreciate it.
>> Selling this early 2000s custom steel Lyon frameset. I know you
>> don’t care about weight but the frameset weighs in at just under 6 
>> lbs with
>> the headset. It has clearance for 40-42mm 700c tires in the front 
>> and more
>> in the back. Cool touches like the integrated cable hanger, fillet 
>> brazing
>> and tube supports.
>>
>> 58cm x 58cm CTC. 435mm chainstay. 1in threadless headset (steer
>> can be shimmed for 1 1/8) previous owner must have ran some massive 
>> tires
>> because it’s lost some paint from tire rub. It’s been sanded and 
>> painted
>> over with touch up (sorry I couldn’t get a match). Fortunately areas 
>> aren’t
>> conspicuous.
>>
>> No idea on value but figured I’d start asking at $1000 shipped?
>> Feel free to make me an offer.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/cgmJxfq
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: tire experiment

[Ray Varella]

I did a similar tire swap on my platypus. 
I had been running Rene Herse 55mm knobbies in endurance casing.
I recall Jan saying they have similar rolling resistance to the standard 
casing and I have zero complaints about them. 
I just wanted to try a bit smaller tire. 
I went with the Ultradynamico Cava JFF in 48mm
The bike definitely steers a little quicker, not a lot but it does feel 
like it rolls smoother. 
I’m still nursing a torn hamstring but I rode for about 3 hours which is at 
least an hour longer than I have been riding. 
I have another bike that runs 42mm so the 48s were a good choice. 
We are living in good times when it comes to tire choices. 

Ray

On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 8:34:42 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The nominally 48 mm, actually 49+ mm (27 mm IW rims) Oracle Ridges on my 
> Matthews dirt road bike look svelte and slim compared to the 60s they 
> replaced and compared to the 72 mm WTB Rangers on the Monocog I used to 
> own. They almost look lost under the 80 mm Kelpie fenders (designed for 72 
> X 584 and 60 X 622 tires) In fact, ~50 mm is the narrowest I'll use for an 
> allrounder bike in our sandy soil conditions.
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2024 at 6:08 AM Doug H.  wrote:
>
>> Indeed 43 mm are generally not slender but I had a set of 42s on my Clem 
>> for awhile and they look slender on it. I found them good on pavement and 
>> good enough on gravel. Let us know how they work for you Richard!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Monday, August 12, 2024 at 7:06:07 AM UTC-4 Will Boericke wrote:
>>
>>> Only in the Riv group are we calling a 43mm tire "slender".  :)
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anodized Silver vs Polished Components. Which do you prefer?

[Nick Payne]

Anodised will look a bit better a few years down the road than polished.

On the Mason that I most recently built up, I had no choice of colour for a 
lot of the components I was using - e.g. C-F rims are black, SRAM AXS 
shifters/derailleurs are black, the Shimano XT M737 cranks I had are silver 
anodised, as was the Ritchey seatpost, but I decided on a bit of colour 
co-ordination to go with the Orange BxB saddlebag I already had and would 
be using, so I fitted orange Hope disc calipers and used orange handlebar 
tape.

Nick Payne

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