[RBW] Re: Which one to keep

[Johnny Alien]

If they were full crossover for me and I could honestly use either one in 
all situations then I would take the one that I felt was the most 
comfortable or honestly which one I just felt looked better. I will say 
that if I was absolutely forced down to one Rivendell I think it would be 
the Clem.

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:10:25 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Prioritize needs and wants. Then choose which bike meets most or all of 
> them. 
> If they both cover them all, then I’d go by looks. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:51:33 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> I’m curious how you guys would choose between two bikes you already have. 
>> I have a Clem and a Platypus, they are both very comfortable and 
>> extremely nice riding bikes. 
>> There’s so much overlap between them I don’t need both. 
>> I’m leaning towards the Clem because it will fit my niece better than the 
>> Platypus will. 
>> The Platypus is a really beautiful bike. 
>> I know some members have duplicates or multiples of bikes they like. 
>> How would you guys choose between the two?
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which one to keep

[NYCbikeguy]

Having ridden both, I'd say that the clem may face some limitations when it 
comes to heavier loaded rides (that you may not be expecting or planning) 
because the flex on the frame is a lot more noticeable on the clem than the 
platy. 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 8:13:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> If they were full crossover for me and I could honestly use either one in 
> all situations then I would take the one that I felt was the most 
> comfortable or honestly which one I just felt looked better. I will say 
> that if I was absolutely forced down to one Rivendell I think it would be 
> the Clem.
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:10:25 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Prioritize needs and wants. Then choose which bike meets most or all of 
>> them. 
>> If they both cover them all, then I’d go by looks. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:51:33 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> I’m curious how you guys would choose between two bikes you already 
>>> have. 
>>> I have a Clem and a Platypus, they are both very comfortable and 
>>> extremely nice riding bikes. 
>>> There’s so much overlap between them I don’t need both. 
>>> I’m leaning towards the Clem because it will fit my niece better than 
>>> the Platypus will. 
>>> The Platypus is a really beautiful bike. 
>>> I know some members have duplicates or multiples of bikes they like. 
>>> How would you guys choose between the two?
>>>
>>> Thank you 
>>> Ray
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: 60cm Cheviot (NH+)

[Nicholas Fox]

Thanks, Josh and everybody else that chimed in with leads! Happy to say my orange Cheviot got delivered yesterday, and I’m looking forward to building it up and getting some miles with it as soon as I can. NicOn Jun 27, 2024, at 20:24, Josh C  wrote:https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1429598715105228/?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ac182247c-c59a-414b-b7e2-f3ed5fa3354dOn Thursday, June 27, 2024 at 7:31:25 PM UTC-4 Nic in Oslo wrote:Great! James and Jason, I’ll be in touch. NicOn Jun 27, 2024, at 13:07, James  wrote:I emailed ya NicOn Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 10:53:20 PM UTC-4 Nic in Oslo wrote:That could work. I’ll check it out. Thanks!On Jun 26, 2024, at 20:59, Hoch in ut  wrote:There is an orange one on Riv Facebook group. There’s also a 58cm Betty frameset, if that size works. On Wednesday, June 26, 2024 at 6:53:56 PM UTC-6 Nic in Oslo wrote:If you have a Cheviot that needs a new home I’d love to open mine to it. Any color, frame or complete, all’s good. I’m in NH and am more than happy doing a bit of a road trip if you’re in the New England area. Nic



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[RBW] Re: First Post - A (Fixed!) Atlantis

[A. D. M.]

I love the fact that this is fixed. Looks perfect and I bet it rides as 
nice as you describe. 

Is this the first fixed Atlantis?

Best,

Aaron in NM
On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 10:02:23 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:

> Hi Jaden,
>
> You might want to persuade the seller to ship these to you since they are 
> out of stock in a lot of places:
>
> https://ventura.craigslist.org/bop/d/ojai-magic-components-mothbar/7766568957.html
>
> Kim Hetzel
> trying to tolerate or hide from the 90 degree weather in the PNW.
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:35:45 PM UTC-7 Jaden wrote:
>
>> (3rd chunk!)
>>
>> I’ve got a few bar setups - dirt drop, wde Doom Bar swept back flat 
>> bar, and an albatross. I probably prefer the albatross, but it’s a bit 
>> narrow - I’m hoping to eventually switch to the “Moth Bar” by Magic 
>> Components. The whole fixed gear thing makes it really really easy to swap 
>> out cockpits - just unslot the cables from the brake levers, and pop them 
>> in the new cockpit! I can probably change cockpits in <2 minutes, which 
>> goes a long way for convenience.
>>
>> A blue Sackville BagBoy SaddleSack sitting on a Marks Rack, and a Nitto 
>> 32r front rack with a small Wald basket on it, do my cargo duties. I wanted 
>> to have a little rack/basket on the front so I’m not tempted to overload 
>> the front - I wanted to get a sense of the handling first. I do also plan 
>> to sew a small frame bag for the gap in the rear triangle. 
>>
>> Those are the main highlights of the build. I’ve taken it on some fun 
>> rides, nothing too crazy, I’d like to go for a lng ride/tour one of 
>> these days. 
>>
>> Thanks everyone for this list - I have definitely got hours of enjoyment 
>> from reading posts on here!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: First Post - A (Fixed!) Atlantis

[Bill Lindsay]

Similarly, is it the only fixed gear with a shark fin?  

BL in EC

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 10:11:04 AM UTC-7 A. D. M. wrote:

>
> I love the fact that this is fixed. Looks perfect and I bet it rides as 
> nice as you describe. 
>
> Is this the first fixed Atlantis?
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in NM
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 10:02:23 PM UTC-7 Kim H. wrote:
>
>> Hi Jaden,
>>
>> You might want to persuade the seller to ship these to you since they are 
>> out of stock in a lot of places:
>>
>> https://ventura.craigslist.org/bop/d/ojai-magic-components-mothbar/7766568957.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> trying to tolerate or hide from the 90 degree weather in the PNW.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:35:45 PM UTC-7 Jaden wrote:
>>
>>> (3rd chunk!)
>>>
>>> I’ve got a few bar setups - dirt drop, wde Doom Bar swept back flat 
>>> bar, and an albatross. I probably prefer the albatross, but it’s a bit 
>>> narrow - I’m hoping to eventually switch to the “Moth Bar” by Magic 
>>> Components. The whole fixed gear thing makes it really really easy to swap 
>>> out cockpits - just unslot the cables from the brake levers, and pop them 
>>> in the new cockpit! I can probably change cockpits in <2 minutes, which 
>>> goes a long way for convenience.
>>>
>>> A blue Sackville BagBoy SaddleSack sitting on a Marks Rack, and a Nitto 
>>> 32r front rack with a small Wald basket on it, do my cargo duties. I wanted 
>>> to have a little rack/basket on the front so I’m not tempted to overload 
>>> the front - I wanted to get a sense of the handling first. I do also plan 
>>> to sew a small frame bag for the gap in the rear triangle. 
>>>
>>> Those are the main highlights of the build. I’ve taken it on some fun 
>>> rides, nothing too crazy, I’d like to go for a lng ride/tour one of 
>>> these days. 
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone for this list - I have definitely got hours of enjoyment 
>>> from reading posts on here!
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] WTF a 26.0 Albastache for my questionable Canti Rom?

[Doug Van Cleve]

Huh, weird.

In my limited experince, a front end hit is usually pretty obvious if
you're looking for it.  I would also expect the damage to be right at the
lug tip, and it doesn't look to me like it is.  Irregardless, I really
doubt whatever that is will ever be a (non-emotional) issue and it's easy
to keep an eye on.  I would ride i with extreme prejudice...

Doug


On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I may have made a hasty purchase and ended up with a bum frame. But I'm
> going to try to make the best of it.
>
> So...I parted ways with my 26" Atlantis a while back in hopes to find a
> 55-56ish 700c Hillborne (short stay) to replace it. I watched Riv, and the
> used market for literally years, and just kept missing them. I fell short
> of a wanted ad, as I didnt really NEED one and figured it would pop up one
> day. Well, I sort of gave up and stopped checking. However, as age, and
> circumstances will do, I am now creeping closer to the need of a more
> upright and comfortable bike. I check in here and BOOM...a new run of short
> stay Hillbornes!! AND they're sold out in my size. Ugh.
>
> Deflated, I go back to trolling the used market, and my first search
> brings up a 55 Canti Rom...20 minutes from me. THIS would do nicely and was
> a previous target of obsessive searching. The seller informs me there's a
> brake lever ding on the TT and dent on the seat stay. Not deterred, we plan
> to meet. 75yo gentleman who clearly has ridden some bikes, and seems to be
> a DIY mechanic. Bike looks good, albeit with an odd build. Not Rivvy, but
> more hodgepodge of commuter/2000 road bike. Rode fine, set up was not
> comfortable for me but the frame fit, the dents were unfortunate but not
> apparently damaging. We strike a deal, and I bring it home.
>
> The lay of the land:
> Threadless adaptor with super upright stem and Noodle bars which I do not
> like
> Thorn proof tubes and 28c rock hard commuter tires
> BIG gel saddle on a layback post
> Canti rear, side pull front
>
> All of this meant, I needed some time to strip it all down, acquire some
> parts, and rebuild to my preference. No worries...until I got to it a few
> weeks later.
>
> After stripping it mostly down, I started to clean the frame and noticed a
> bizarre, what I thought was a scratch, in the paint on the top tube just at
> the end of the head tube lug point. Looking closer, its more like the paint
> is crackled or scrunched. My gut sank. I immediately checked under the DT
> for a bulge or other signs of front impact. Nothing. Seems totally fine.
> But the TT really looks odd. I've worked in shops for 30 years and have
> seen many cracks, dents etc...generally there's apparent trauma you can
> trace to other areas, but this is a new one to me being isolated. The other
> oddity that may be normal on these...is that the TT feels like it's
> externally butted to fit the HT lug. Nothing massive, but just a slightly
> perceptible increase in OD right about the point of the lug. Imagination?
> By design? Bulged from impact? No idea.
>
> All that said, I am bummed, but absolutely hold no ill will towards the
> seller. I truly believe he had no idea and was completely up front with the
> damage he knew about. AND it could just be a scratch or other paint
> anomaly. Yes, I could have the paint stripped back and find someone
> knowledgeable to inspect it, but I feel like the options in the end are the
> same...spend more than the frame is worth to repair it, or just ride it and
> "keep an eye on it". I'm thinking the latter is the better way.
>
> I have tried to get a photo of the offending area but it's elusive. I will
> try some different lighting to see if I can capture it and follow up.
>
> Which brings me to my inquiry. I would like to try an AlbaStache and I
> have two great stems I could use that are both 26.0do I remember
> correctly there were some original batches with that clamp size or no? I'd
> prefer not to shim, and would ultimately just get a 25.4 stem if need be.
> Trying to limit the losses on this one now.
>
> So IF they exist, does anyone have a set they'd be willing to sell? Or on
> the longer shot, a bar/stem?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Complete

['Drurad' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sorry all.  The Hubba did not work out for me, for reasons not having to do 
with the bike.  But Jared did send me many more pics and the bike looks to 
be in truly incredible shape.  Someone grab this thing!

-Andrew

On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 4:35:39 PM UTC-7 Drurad wrote:

> I am in the area (I think) and would definitely love to add the Hubbub to 
> my stable.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 4:34:51 PM UTC-7 Drurad wrote:
>
>> How about $2500 picked up!
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 4:06:33 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, you got a smoking deal on your large!
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I can't do $2500/shipped, but I can do $2500 *+* shipping 
>>> (that offer is extended to any other group members as well)
>>>
>>> This thing is basically new (sub 50 miles) and won't disappoint.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> jared
>>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 3:53:34 PM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>>
 Hey,
 Thanks for the response.
 Can you do 2500 shipped?
 I got my complete large hubbuh  for 2000, so i’m disinclined to spend 
 too much more than ive spent in the past.
 Thanks!

 Best,
 Isaiah

 On Jul 16, 2024, at 6:37 PM, jaredwilson  wrote:

 Hey IY,


 Thanks for the interest. I'm *not* looking to part out, but I will 
 make a great deal on the complete bike and you and Brian can work out the 
 details of who wants what.

 Either of you feel free to send me an email at jaredwi...@gmail.com 
 and lets work out some logistics!

 Cheers :)

 jared

 On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 5:42:35 PM UTC-7 watta...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a frame so I’d actually be interested in most the parts🙄
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 5:41:12 PM UTC-7 Brian Watts wrote:
>
>> I’m local and interested in the wheelset. 
>> Brian in Albany
>>
>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 7:07:57 AM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> Jared,
>>> would you be willing to sell just the hubbuh frame and have it 
>>> shipped to the east coast?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> IY (CT/NYC)
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 11:39:51 AM UTC-4 mgst...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 (oh, sorry, Ron in Western MA

 On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 11:38:08 AM UTC-4 mgst...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi - just wanted to say, i sold my Hub for around 2800 (i forget 
> exactly how much, but sub 3k); great tandem (we've been tendering for 
> almost 30 years, it was our 5th tandem); THEY CAN BE SHIPPED VIA BIKE 
> FLIGHTS! frame & accessories in one box, wheels and misc in another. 
>  Approx $350 to ship (and a few hours of packing). [image: 
> IMG_0593.jpeg]
>
> It was a great riding tandem, would have kept it, except we needed 
> a packable, ie s&S coupled one, and wound up with a Ritchey 
> breakaway, 
> which i highly highly recommend (much different from the Riv ride 
> though)
>
> On Saturday, July 13, 2024 at 9:19:52 PM UTC-4 jaredwilson wrote:
>
>> *$2800 **obo* for the group, WTB Pure V saddles included, no 
>> pedals :)
>>
>> Someone, *please* give this thing some life!
>>
>> jared in SC, CA
>>
>> On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 10:01:09 AM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Still not utilizing this guy so let's find a new, hopefully 
>>> local-ish home for this wonderful steed.
>>>
>>> $3,000, local pickup/meet up preferred, no saddles included.
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>>
>>> jared
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:57:39 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the endorsement, Eric, great looking ride!

 They are really groovy machines, it just doesn't fit into our 
 lives at the moment.

 jared

 On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-7 
 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> If you're on the fence I can attest that these are a blast to 
> ride. My wife and I have been steadily putting on the miles after 
> buying 
> Laing's small HH late last year.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:13 PM jaredwilson  
> wrote:
>
>> Still available!
>>
>> Can deliver to LA region Sunday-Monday or SF Bay Area anytime.
>>
>> Shoot me a message off list and let's chat :)
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 12:32:03 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Fielded some interest at the $

[RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse, Continental, Nitto, Sackville, cranks, bags

[Chris Halasz]

Price reductions and update on what's available (prices do not include 
shipping): 

Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires 700 x 44 - pair, new in sealed packaging 
$110 


Continental GP Urban tires 700 x 35, pair, used, no flats $40 


Rickshaw bar bag (like Ornot) for 31.8mm bars $25


Amdel 175mm triple crank (from a Surly LHT) $25


Two Wheel Gear tup tube bag $15


Photos here 
. 

- Chris 

On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 12:44:27 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Update on what's available and pending (prices do not include shipping): 
>
> Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires 700 x 44 - pair, new in sealed packaging 
> $130 
>
>
> Continental GP Urban tires 700 x 35, pair, used, no flats $50 
>
>
> Nitto UI-5GX 11cm 25.4 clamp treadless stem, silver $30 (pending) 
>
>
> Rickshaw bar bag (like Ornot) for 31.8mm bars $30 
>
>
> Amdel 175mm triple crank (from a Surly LHT) $30 (pending) 
>
>
> Two Wheel Gear tup tube bag $20 
>
>
> Photos here 
> . 
>
>
> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 1:29:20 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Prices to not include shipping, packaged to minimize shipping cost! 
>>
>>
>> Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires 700 x 44 - pair, new in sealed packaging 
>> $130 
>>
>>
>> Rene Herse Oracle Ridge knobbies 700 x 48 - pair, used (always with 
>> tubes, no flats) $80 
>>
>>
>> (Schwalbe SV19 tubes, new, pair, with either of the above, $10) 
>>
>>
>> Continental GP Urban tires 700 x 35, pair, used, no flats $50 
>>
>>
>> Nitto R-14 rear rack $100 
>>
>>
>> Nitto UI-5GX 11cm 25.4 clamp treadless stem, silver $30 
>>
>>
>> Rivendell Sackville Banana Bag, some loose stitching $40 
>>
>>
>> Rickshaw bar bag (like Ornot) for 31.8mm bars $30 
>>
>>
>> Amdel 175mm triple crank (from a Surly LHT) $30 
>>
>>
>> Two Wheel Gear tup tube bag $20 
>>
>>
>> Photos here 
>> . 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] WTF a 26.0 Albastache for my questionable Canti Rom?

[Mackenzy Albright]

I had substantial crack in the paint of my Clementine. My curiosity got to 
me eventually and I sanded down the paint to the tubing and luckily the 
frame was totally fine - I did realize how terrible the factory paint was 
though. It was a substantial piece of mind knowing my frame wasn't toast vs 
my terrible touch up. 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 11:00:32 AM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Huh, weird.
>
> In my limited experince, a front end hit is usually pretty obvious if 
> you're looking for it.  I would also expect the damage to be right at the 
> lug tip, and it doesn't look to me like it is.  Irregardless, I really 
> doubt whatever that is will ever be a (non-emotional) issue and it's easy 
> to keep an eye on.  I would ride i with extreme prejudice...
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I may have made a hasty purchase and ended up with a bum frame. But I'm 
>> going to try to make the best of it.
>>
>> So...I parted ways with my 26" Atlantis a while back in hopes to find a 
>> 55-56ish 700c Hillborne (short stay) to replace it. I watched Riv, and the 
>> used market for literally years, and just kept missing them. I fell short 
>> of a wanted ad, as I didnt really NEED one and figured it would pop up one 
>> day. Well, I sort of gave up and stopped checking. However, as age, and 
>> circumstances will do, I am now creeping closer to the need of a more 
>> upright and comfortable bike. I check in here and BOOM...a new run of short 
>> stay Hillbornes!! AND they're sold out in my size. Ugh. 
>>
>> Deflated, I go back to trolling the used market, and my first search 
>> brings up a 55 Canti Rom...20 minutes from me. THIS would do nicely and was 
>> a previous target of obsessive searching. The seller informs me there's a 
>> brake lever ding on the TT and dent on the seat stay. Not deterred, we plan 
>> to meet. 75yo gentleman who clearly has ridden some bikes, and seems to be 
>> a DIY mechanic. Bike looks good, albeit with an odd build. Not Rivvy, but 
>> more hodgepodge of commuter/2000 road bike. Rode fine, set up was not 
>> comfortable for me but the frame fit, the dents were unfortunate but not 
>> apparently damaging. We strike a deal, and I bring it home.
>>
>> The lay of the land: 
>> Threadless adaptor with super upright stem and Noodle bars which I do not 
>> like
>> Thorn proof tubes and 28c rock hard commuter tires
>> BIG gel saddle on a layback post
>> Canti rear, side pull front
>>
>> All of this meant, I needed some time to strip it all down, acquire some 
>> parts, and rebuild to my preference. No worries...until I got to it a few 
>> weeks later.
>>
>> After stripping it mostly down, I started to clean the frame and noticed 
>> a bizarre, what I thought was a scratch, in the paint on the top tube just 
>> at the end of the head tube lug point. Looking closer, its more like the 
>> paint is crackled or scrunched. My gut sank. I immediately checked under 
>> the DT for a bulge or other signs of front impact. Nothing. Seems totally 
>> fine. But the TT really looks odd. I've worked in shops for 30 years and 
>> have seen many cracks, dents etc...generally there's apparent trauma you 
>> can trace to other areas, but this is a new one to me being isolated. The 
>> other oddity that may be normal on these...is that the TT feels like it's 
>> externally butted to fit the HT lug. Nothing massive, but just a slightly 
>> perceptible increase in OD right about the point of the lug. Imagination? 
>> By design? Bulged from impact? No idea.
>>
>> All that said, I am bummed, but absolutely hold no ill will towards the 
>> seller. I truly believe he had no idea and was completely up front with the 
>> damage he knew about. AND it could just be a scratch or other paint 
>> anomaly. Yes, I could have the paint stripped back and find someone 
>> knowledgeable to inspect it, but I feel like the options in the end are the 
>> same...spend more than the frame is worth to repair it, or just ride it and 
>> "keep an eye on it". I'm thinking the latter is the better way.
>>
>> I have tried to get a photo of the offending area but it's elusive. I 
>> will try some different lighting to see if I can capture it and follow up.
>>
>> Which brings me to my inquiry. I would like to try an AlbaStache and I 
>> have two great stems I could use that are both 26.0do I remember 
>> correctly there were some original batches with that clamp size or no? I'd 
>> prefer not to shim, and would ultimately just get a 25.4 stem if need be. 
>> Trying to limit the losses on this one now.
>>
>> So IF they exist, does anyone have a set they'd be willing to sell? Or on 
>> the longer shot, a bar/stem?
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTF a 26.0 Albastache for my questionable Canti Rom?

[Ray Varella]

Jinxed,
I sent you a pm

Ray

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 1:25:25 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I had substantial crack in the paint of my Clementine. My curiosity got to 
> me eventually and I sanded down the paint to the tubing and luckily the 
> frame was totally fine - I did realize how terrible the factory paint was 
> though. It was a substantial piece of mind knowing my frame wasn't toast vs 
> my terrible touch up. 
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 11:00:32 AM UTC-7 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Huh, weird.
>>
>> In my limited experince, a front end hit is usually pretty obvious if 
>> you're looking for it.  I would also expect the damage to be right at the 
>> lug tip, and it doesn't look to me like it is.  Irregardless, I really 
>> doubt whatever that is will ever be a (non-emotional) issue and it's easy 
>> to keep an eye on.  I would ride i with extreme prejudice...
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 2:53 PM 'jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I may have made a hasty purchase and ended up with a bum frame. But I'm 
>>> going to try to make the best of it.
>>>
>>> So...I parted ways with my 26" Atlantis a while back in hopes to find a 
>>> 55-56ish 700c Hillborne (short stay) to replace it. I watched Riv, and the 
>>> used market for literally years, and just kept missing them. I fell short 
>>> of a wanted ad, as I didnt really NEED one and figured it would pop up one 
>>> day. Well, I sort of gave up and stopped checking. However, as age, and 
>>> circumstances will do, I am now creeping closer to the need of a more 
>>> upright and comfortable bike. I check in here and BOOM...a new run of short 
>>> stay Hillbornes!! AND they're sold out in my size. Ugh. 
>>>
>>> Deflated, I go back to trolling the used market, and my first search 
>>> brings up a 55 Canti Rom...20 minutes from me. THIS would do nicely and was 
>>> a previous target of obsessive searching. The seller informs me there's a 
>>> brake lever ding on the TT and dent on the seat stay. Not deterred, we plan 
>>> to meet. 75yo gentleman who clearly has ridden some bikes, and seems to be 
>>> a DIY mechanic. Bike looks good, albeit with an odd build. Not Rivvy, but 
>>> more hodgepodge of commuter/2000 road bike. Rode fine, set up was not 
>>> comfortable for me but the frame fit, the dents were unfortunate but not 
>>> apparently damaging. We strike a deal, and I bring it home.
>>>
>>> The lay of the land: 
>>> Threadless adaptor with super upright stem and Noodle bars which I do 
>>> not like
>>> Thorn proof tubes and 28c rock hard commuter tires
>>> BIG gel saddle on a layback post
>>> Canti rear, side pull front
>>>
>>> All of this meant, I needed some time to strip it all down, acquire some 
>>> parts, and rebuild to my preference. No worries...until I got to it a few 
>>> weeks later.
>>>
>>> After stripping it mostly down, I started to clean the frame and noticed 
>>> a bizarre, what I thought was a scratch, in the paint on the top tube just 
>>> at the end of the head tube lug point. Looking closer, its more like the 
>>> paint is crackled or scrunched. My gut sank. I immediately checked under 
>>> the DT for a bulge or other signs of front impact. Nothing. Seems totally 
>>> fine. But the TT really looks odd. I've worked in shops for 30 years and 
>>> have seen many cracks, dents etc...generally there's apparent trauma you 
>>> can trace to other areas, but this is a new one to me being isolated. The 
>>> other oddity that may be normal on these...is that the TT feels like it's 
>>> externally butted to fit the HT lug. Nothing massive, but just a slightly 
>>> perceptible increase in OD right about the point of the lug. Imagination? 
>>> By design? Bulged from impact? No idea.
>>>
>>> All that said, I am bummed, but absolutely hold no ill will towards the 
>>> seller. I truly believe he had no idea and was completely up front with the 
>>> damage he knew about. AND it could just be a scratch or other paint 
>>> anomaly. Yes, I could have the paint stripped back and find someone 
>>> knowledgeable to inspect it, but I feel like the options in the end are the 
>>> same...spend more than the frame is worth to repair it, or just ride it and 
>>> "keep an eye on it". I'm thinking the latter is the better way.
>>>
>>> I have tried to get a photo of the offending area but it's elusive. I 
>>> will try some different lighting to see if I can capture it and follow up.
>>>
>>> Which brings me to my inquiry. I would like to try an AlbaStache and I 
>>> have two great stems I could use that are both 26.0do I remember 
>>> correctly there were some original batches with that clamp size or no? I'd 
>>> prefer not to shim, and would ultimately just get a 25.4 stem if need be. 
>>> Trying to limit the losses on this one now.
>>>
>>> So IF they exist, does anyone have a set they'd be willing to sell? Or 
>>> on the longer shot, a bar/stem?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Chris Halasz]

Rivendell All-Rounder 60cm - $1,500 (santa clara)

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/santa-clara-rivendell-all-rounder-60cm/7767141390.html

On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> 55cm Platypus, complete bike with racks, buyer asking $2450, and willing 
> to ship worldwide. 
>
>
> https://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/d/thousand-oaks-rivendell-platypus-55cm/7765949532.html
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-7 MoVelo wrote:
>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> If you are unsuccessful in connecting with this buyer I have a blue 58 
>> frame and fork that I am about to advertise on the list. I haven't decided 
>> what to ask for it. If that size works for you and your interested let me 
>> know.
>>
>> Thanks
>> James Poulson
>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:35:55 AM UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've been trying to contact this seller but haven't heard back yet. Oh 
>>> man, I would like to have this. Anyone have any luck getting thru?
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> On Friday 12 July 2024 at 08:12:45 UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>>>
 Nice price on a 60cm Sam 

 https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-60cm-rivendell-hillborne-dynamo/7765148176.html

 On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 5:04:48 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com wrote:

> I so badly wish this was a 58/59. Hell, even 60!
>
> This is exactly what I want to be riding this summer!
>
> What size tire will it clear? 28s?
>
>
> P. W.
> ~
> (917) 514-2207
> ~
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2024, at 1:19 PM, donavanm  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 5:05:32 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>
> 63cm Roadeo. Don't see these every day. Good price IMO. 
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-roadeo-63cm-black-and/7763433686.html
>
>
>  This is mine. I can provide more photos if anyones interested, or a 
> test ride in seattle. As mentioned i just dont ride it these days.
>
> I also have a 61cm simpleone that Ill be listing once I take some pics 
> tomorrow. Im keeping my quickbeam, and Ill be down to 7 other bikes…
>
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[RBW] Re: Which one to keep

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Ray, 

As a fellow Riv Rider of a certain age with a sorta-mixte custom (Platy-ish 
design) and a Clem L, I would choose Clem. The stepover is lovely, the tire 
clearance grand, it doubles as a trail bike and just plain has character. 
To quote the good and great Leah Peterson, Clems are gems! 

Joe Bernard 
Lake County CA 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 1:56:13 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> [image: IMG_1849.jpeg]I honestly think the Clem may inch ahead on comfort 
> but not hugely so. 
> I agree that the Clem is an exceptionally nice riding bike and I’ve been 
> riding Rivendells for almost 25 years. 
> I like them a lot and if I had more room I would likely have more of them. 
>
> Chris, I have never had the pleasure to test ride a Sam Maloof chair but I 
> spend several hours a day in one of my own and never want for anything more 
> comfortable, I can’t help you with the car but bright orange compliments 
> that lime olive paint nicely. 
> Here’s my chair 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:25:32 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Ray 
>>
>>
>> I think it was Sam Maloof  who said 
>> that a chair should first and foremost invite the individual to come and 
>> sit. Rivendell bikes invite me to ride them, far more than any other 
>> bicycle manufacturer, and the ride, like Sam’s rocking chairs, always 
>> exceed my expectation of the invite. 
>>
>>
>> I’ve owned a number of Rivendell bikes (Road Standard, LongLow, 
>> Rambouillet, Bleriot, Bombadil, Sam, and a Platypus) and now a Clem. 
>> Clearly I like Rivendell bikes, and the mindset at Rivendell. 
>>
>>
>> I ride the Clem 99% on the road, around town, and typically on two 
>> extended rides each week. To me, the Clem is the zenith of the Rivendell 
>> experience. I feel like it kindly informs other cyclists that they don’t 
>> have to ride carbon frames, or skinny tires, or clipless pedals, or … to 
>> just enjoy their authenticity. To me, me, it’s the most authentic of the 
>> current Rivendell design. To me, it most inspires wabi-sabi and beausage. I 
>> won’t argue any of those points: my truth, maybe no one else’s. 
>>
>>
>> Is there one that is more inviting to you? 
>>
>>
>> Now, can you folks help me decide which color Montecito Pinto goes best 
>> with the Clem green in my driveway? I'm thinking of only keeping one. 
>>
>>
>> [image: Montecito_Pintos.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>>
>> Chris 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 6:37:47 AM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> Having ridden both, I'd say that the clem may face some limitations when 
>>> it comes to heavier loaded rides (that you may not be expecting or 
>>> planning) because the flex on the frame is a lot more noticeable on the 
>>> clem than the platy. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 8:13:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 If they were full crossover for me and I could honestly use either one 
 in all situations then I would take the one that I felt was the most 
 comfortable or honestly which one I just felt looked better. I will say 
 that if I was absolutely forced down to one Rivendell I think it would be 
 the Clem.

 On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:10:25 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Prioritize needs and wants. Then choose which bike meets most or all 
> of them. 
> If they both cover them all, then I’d go by looks. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:51:33 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> I’m curious how you guys would choose between two bikes you already 
>> have. 
>> I have a Clem and a Platypus, they are both very comfortable and 
>> extremely nice riding bikes. 
>> There’s so much overlap between them I don’t need both. 
>> I’m leaning towards the Clem because it will fit my niece better than 
>> the Platypus will. 
>> The Platypus is a really beautiful bike. 
>> I know some members have duplicates or multiples of bikes they like. 
>> How would you guys choose between the two?
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which one to keep

[Chris Halasz]

Ray

Very impressed with the chair! 

I've built a number of items in our home, more Thos. Moser 'shaker' style, 
but never a chair! 

As to the cars: We often ride through the San Ysidro Ranch on our bike 
rides, and there were a half dozen of those things in the lot. I think 
they're funny. Makes my back groan to think of getting in and out of one. 
But my back is very happy riding the Clem. 

- Chris 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 1:56:13 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:

> [image: IMG_1849.jpeg]I honestly think the Clem may inch ahead on comfort 
> but not hugely so. 
> I agree that the Clem is an exceptionally nice riding bike and I’ve been 
> riding Rivendells for almost 25 years. 
> I like them a lot and if I had more room I would likely have more of them. 
>
> Chris, I have never had the pleasure to test ride a Sam Maloof chair but I 
> spend several hours a day in one of my own and never want for anything more 
> comfortable, I can’t help you with the car but bright orange compliments 
> that lime olive paint nicely. 
> Here’s my chair 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:25:32 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Ray 
>>
>>
>> I think it was Sam Maloof  who said 
>> that a chair should first and foremost invite the individual to come and 
>> sit. Rivendell bikes invite me to ride them, far more than any other 
>> bicycle manufacturer, and the ride, like Sam’s rocking chairs, always 
>> exceed my expectation of the invite. 
>>
>>
>> I’ve owned a number of Rivendell bikes (Road Standard, LongLow, 
>> Rambouillet, Bleriot, Bombadil, Sam, and a Platypus) and now a Clem. 
>> Clearly I like Rivendell bikes, and the mindset at Rivendell. 
>>
>>
>> I ride the Clem 99% on the road, around town, and typically on two 
>> extended rides each week. To me, the Clem is the zenith of the Rivendell 
>> experience. I feel like it kindly informs other cyclists that they don’t 
>> have to ride carbon frames, or skinny tires, or clipless pedals, or … to 
>> just enjoy their authenticity. To me, me, it’s the most authentic of the 
>> current Rivendell design. To me, it most inspires wabi-sabi and beausage. I 
>> won’t argue any of those points: my truth, maybe no one else’s. 
>>
>>
>> Is there one that is more inviting to you? 
>>
>>
>> Now, can you folks help me decide which color Montecito Pinto goes best 
>> with the Clem green in my driveway? I'm thinking of only keeping one. 
>>
>>
>> [image: Montecito_Pintos.jpg]
>>
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>>
>> Chris 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 6:37:47 AM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> Having ridden both, I'd say that the clem may face some limitations when 
>>> it comes to heavier loaded rides (that you may not be expecting or 
>>> planning) because the flex on the frame is a lot more noticeable on the 
>>> clem than the platy. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 8:13:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 If they were full crossover for me and I could honestly use either one 
 in all situations then I would take the one that I felt was the most 
 comfortable or honestly which one I just felt looked better. I will say 
 that if I was absolutely forced down to one Rivendell I think it would be 
 the Clem.

 On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:10:25 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:

> Prioritize needs and wants. Then choose which bike meets most or all 
> of them. 
> If they both cover them all, then I’d go by looks. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:51:33 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> I’m curious how you guys would choose between two bikes you already 
>> have. 
>> I have a Clem and a Platypus, they are both very comfortable and 
>> extremely nice riding bikes. 
>> There’s so much overlap between them I don’t need both. 
>> I’m leaning towards the Clem because it will fit my niece better than 
>> the Platypus will. 
>> The Platypus is a really beautiful bike. 
>> I know some members have duplicates or multiples of bikes they like. 
>> How would you guys choose between the two?
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>>
>

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[RBW] Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A friend and I did the Seattle to Portland ride this past weekend (205 miles in 
either one or two days), and we were both surprised to see a number of riders 
on electric bikes. 

I haven’t done many large cycling events since the rise in popularity of 
electric bikes. When I did large-scale rides like STP pre-COVID, everybody 
would have been on a regular, human-powered bike. So seeing powered bikes on a 
“cycling” event struck us as a little strange. 

What is everyone’s experience with this? I’ll admit I am a little skeptical 
about combining electric- and human-powered bikes in the same event, but that’s 
probably a reflection of my cycling history. The events I usually ride, which 
are mostly RUSA-sanctioned randonneuring, would definitely not allow any kind 
of powered bike.

What do YOU think? Should electric bikes be allowed on events like RAGBRAI, 
STP, centuries, etc.? What limits would you impose, if any? Or should they have 
their own events?

Interested to hear what the group thinks.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
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[RBW] Re: NBD!

[Gill]

Holy smokes that’s a lotta bike. It looks like one of Bill Walton’s old 
rides (look for Dead stickers on the dt). I stayed in aptly named Eden Utah 
skiing this past winter.  Man, just fell in love with that place. 
On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 10:54:03 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> [image: IMG_0959.jpeg]Not a Rivendell, but big!, like some Rivendells. 
> Wanted to share here because, as they say here in Utah, This Is The 
> Place🙂. 
> I’ve always hoped a 71 Homer would show up, but this will do for now. 
> Custom Co-Motion 70cm c-c with a 64 c-c top tube. It’s MASSIVE! A little 
> too big, but to experience that sizing up we always discuss here is 
> profound. I’m out here working on the family farm for my vacation and had 
> been eyeing this thing on the eBay of the local bicycle recyclery and made 
> a very low offer in hopes of being cleanly denied, but they took it with 
> the knowledge that they’d be getting it back in 15 years or so, free and 
> clear. Haven’t had the chance to take it on anything but a test ride around 
> the shop, still need to rope a local pal into to transporting it up to the 
> Wasatch back, but it’s my new summer vacation steed to compliment my Surly 
> Ogre “Mountain Bike” until I can make the big move back to the mountains 
> with some Rivendells…
> Happy Rolling to all, stay stretched…
> -Kai
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Riv's Next Upgades / Parts Swaps

[Michael Baquerizo]

for no reason other than deciding my appaloosa is my mountain bike, then 
finding an old xt mini group for it, i finally found an xt headset to go on 
it as well. deciding if i want to own a headset removal tool, or just have 
it installed at a shop.

on my clem, i really want one of those hebie elastomer fork stabilizers, 
and to somehow make my double kickstand work. the hebie is just far too 
expensive so i'm waiting for a sale. the kickstand, i think that will haunt 
me for all of my days.

On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 7:58:59 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> Jason F - I wish I had the confidence to switch between drops and swept 
> back.  I always wanted to try albatross or VO granola on my Salsa Fargo 
> (which I ride as a mountain bike on non technical trails, with lots of 
> paved connecting everything).  One day I may give it a shot.
>
> Steve - "obsessing", absolutely you're not alone.  "engaging avocation", 
> great phrase!  "core addiction", yes but a health one.  (P.S. sorry I think 
> I replied similar just to you...I do that too often and need to pay 
> attention before I click).
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 1:24:46 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's reassuring, after perusing this thread, that I am not alone in 
>> obsessing over and  tinkering with my bike builds. 
>>
>> Is it just an engaging avocation --- or a hard core addiction?  
>>
>> No matter, it results in comfortable, good looking bikes that keep me in 
>> the saddle and moving. 
>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 10:59:44 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> My Hillborne is running Velocity A23 rims, on the second rear and the 
>>> front is nearing end-of-life, and I'd like to switch to Pacenti Brevet's 
>>> because they're just so darn good looking.  That's about it for 'permanent' 
>>> changes; I do like to switch between drops and albatross and also fenders + 
>>> slicks vs. knobbies on the Hillborne but those are more seasonal in nature. 
>>>
>>> The Bombadil is similarly dialed in; I do bounce around with what bar I 
>>> want to run and have a similar tire issue to Bill - I have four pairs for 
>>> the Bombadil I think, so even if I put a few thousand km on it per year I'm 
>>> set for a bunch of years. I'm glad to be at this stage where the bikes are 
>>> totally where I want them to be, but I also get fidgety... it's nice to 
>>> have something to look forward to!  
>>>
>>> On Monday 15 July 2024 at 16:28:41 UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>>
 The Tange adjustable bottom bracket Riv sells was too much tempatation 
 for me. Wanted to install it on my Hillborne. Love the look, the feel and 
 I 
 like to experiment so this was right up my alley. Unfortunately the 118 
 spindle was a little too wide. No way to get a replacement spindle from 
 Riv 
 or other sources I've checked. I will likely put this up for sale and buy 
 another one but with a shorter spindle. 

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 3:52:11 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:

> When building up a bike sometimes you make do with what you have on 
> hand already, or is readily available, or affordable.  Though in the back 
> of your mind you've already identified a replacement.
>
> I'm curious as to what parts on your current builds have you slotted 
> for eventual replacement at some time in the future?  What will you be 
> replacing it with?  Any dream parts in there, or just more functional or 
> comfortable choices?
>
> On my Roadini I'm really happy with the touch-points: saddle and seat 
> post, bars and tape, pedals; one of my wheel sets (with the 43mm tires); 
> the cages; brake levers, callipers, and DT shifters. The chain and 
> cassette 
> are fine--and I want to stick with 11sp--but the crank and derailleurs 
> are 
> on my list of upgrades/swaps (partially for aesthetics...would like 
> silver, 
> partially for function as I would like a bit more great range on the low 
> end).  I would also like to replace the second wheel set that I use with 
> 30mm tires for road-only rides (to something lighter/faster).  I would 
> also 
> change the housing (aesthetics, maybe green or grey), and the saddle bag.
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[RBW] Re: Your Riv's Next Upgades / Parts Swaps

[Steve]

Michael, if  you'll accept a request - please share a picture of your MTB 
Appaloosa. I'd love to see how you've set it up. Thanks!

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 9:41:07 PM UTC-4 Michael Baquerizo wrote:

> for no reason other than deciding my appaloosa is my mountain bike, then 
> finding an old xt mini group for it, i finally found an xt headset to go on 
> it as well. deciding if i want to own a headset removal tool, or just have 
> it installed at a shop.
>
> on my clem, i really want one of those hebie elastomer fork stabilizers, 
> and to somehow make my double kickstand work. the hebie is just far too 
> expensive so i'm waiting for a sale. the kickstand, i think that will haunt 
> me for all of my days.
>
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 7:58:59 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>
>> Jason F - I wish I had the confidence to switch between drops and swept 
>> back.  I always wanted to try albatross or VO granola on my Salsa Fargo 
>> (which I ride as a mountain bike on non technical trails, with lots of 
>> paved connecting everything).  One day I may give it a shot.
>>
>> Steve - "obsessing", absolutely you're not alone.  "engaging avocation", 
>> great phrase!  "core addiction", yes but a health one.  (P.S. sorry I think 
>> I replied similar just to you...I do that too often and need to pay 
>> attention before I click).
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 1:24:46 PM UTC-4 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> It's reassuring, after perusing this thread, that I am not alone in 
>>> obsessing over and  tinkering with my bike builds. 
>>>
>>> Is it just an engaging avocation --- or a hard core addiction?  
>>>
>>> No matter, it results in comfortable, good looking bikes that keep me in 
>>> the saddle and moving. 
>>> On Monday, July 15, 2024 at 10:59:44 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 My Hillborne is running Velocity A23 rims, on the second rear and the 
 front is nearing end-of-life, and I'd like to switch to Pacenti Brevet's 
 because they're just so darn good looking.  That's about it for 
 'permanent' 
 changes; I do like to switch between drops and albatross and also fenders 
 + 
 slicks vs. knobbies on the Hillborne but those are more seasonal in 
 nature. 

 The Bombadil is similarly dialed in; I do bounce around with what bar I 
 want to run and have a similar tire issue to Bill - I have four pairs for 
 the Bombadil I think, so even if I put a few thousand km on it per year 
 I'm 
 set for a bunch of years. I'm glad to be at this stage where the bikes are 
 totally where I want them to be, but I also get fidgety... it's nice to 
 have something to look forward to!  

 On Monday 15 July 2024 at 16:28:41 UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> The Tange adjustable bottom bracket Riv sells was too much tempatation 
> for me. Wanted to install it on my Hillborne. Love the look, the feel and 
> I 
> like to experiment so this was right up my alley. Unfortunately the 118 
> spindle was a little too wide. No way to get a replacement spindle from 
> Riv 
> or other sources I've checked. I will likely put this up for sale and buy 
> another one but with a shorter spindle. 
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 3:52:11 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote:
>
>> When building up a bike sometimes you make do with what you have on 
>> hand already, or is readily available, or affordable.  Though in the 
>> back 
>> of your mind you've already identified a replacement.
>>
>> I'm curious as to what parts on your current builds have you slotted 
>> for eventual replacement at some time in the future?  What will you be 
>> replacing it with?  Any dream parts in there, or just more functional or 
>> comfortable choices?
>>
>> On my Roadini I'm really happy with the touch-points: saddle and seat 
>> post, bars and tape, pedals; one of my wheel sets (with the 43mm tires); 
>> the cages; brake levers, callipers, and DT shifters. The chain and 
>> cassette 
>> are fine--and I want to stick with 11sp--but the crank and derailleurs 
>> are 
>> on my list of upgrades/swaps (partially for aesthetics...would like 
>> silver, 
>> partially for function as I would like a bit more great range on the low 
>> end).  I would also like to replace the second wheel set that I use with 
>> 30mm tires for road-only rides (to something lighter/faster).  I would 
>> also 
>> change the housing (aesthetics, maybe green or grey), and the saddle bag.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

[Karl Gee]

I like that people are coming out to events and enjoying themselves and 
sharing the benefits of being outdoors. There are groups that I am fast 
aging into, and electric bikes is absolutely one of them. The confidence 
that I can get home after a long ride, or make it up a decent grade without 
passing out is what an e-bike affords me (one day, don't own one yet). More 
bikes on the roads the better, kids on e-scooters at 25mph not so much. 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 4:53:33 PM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> A friend and I did the Seattle to Portland ride this past weekend (205 
> miles in either one or two days), and we were both surprised to see a 
> number of riders on electric bikes. 
>
> I haven’t done many large cycling events since the rise in popularity of 
> electric bikes. When I did large-scale rides like STP pre-COVID, everybody 
> would have been on a regular, human-powered bike. So seeing powered bikes 
> on a “cycling” event struck us as a little strange. 
>
> What is everyone’s experience with this? I’ll admit I am a little 
> skeptical about combining electric- and human-powered bikes in the same 
> event, but that’s probably a reflection of my cycling history. The events I 
> usually ride, which are mostly RUSA-sanctioned randonneuring, would 
> definitely not allow any kind of powered bike.
>
> What do YOU think? Should electric bikes be allowed on events like 
> RAGBRAI, STP, centuries, etc.? What limits would you impose, if any? Or 
> should they have their own events?
>
> Interested to hear what the group thinks.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
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Re: [RBW] Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

[David Ross]

I used to be fairly opposed to them until I figured out that almost
everyone I know who rides them is just using them to be able to do things
that they otherwise couldn’t do. I’m 51 now and I can see a future in which
I can extend my cycling by another decade with the help of an e bike. I’m
considering buying one for my fiancé because she’s about 2/3 as fast as I
am and can cover around 2/3 or so of the distances I like to ride. Both of
us think it would be really cool if she could do my rides at my pace
because she really does enjoy getting out there.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 7:53 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> A friend and I did the Seattle to Portland ride this past weekend (205
> miles in either one or two days), and we were both surprised to see a
> number of riders on electric bikes.
>
> I haven’t done many large cycling events since the rise in popularity of
> electric bikes. When I did large-scale rides like STP pre-COVID, everybody
> would have been on a regular, human-powered bike. So seeing powered bikes
> on a “cycling” event struck us as a little strange.
>
> What is everyone’s experience with this? I’ll admit I am a little
> skeptical about combining electric- and human-powered bikes in the same
> event, but that’s probably a reflection of my cycling history. The events I
> usually ride, which are mostly RUSA-sanctioned randonneuring, would
> definitely not allow any kind of powered bike.
>
> What do YOU think? Should electric bikes be allowed on events like
> RAGBRAI, STP, centuries, etc.? What limits would you impose, if any? Or
> should they have their own events?
>
> Interested to hear what the group thinks.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyonly...@me.com
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Jim M.]

Hmm, the ad says 700 wheels. Weren't All-Rounders 26"?

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 2:39:21 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Rivendell All-Rounder 60cm - $1,500 (santa clara)
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/santa-clara-rivendell-all-rounder-60cm/7767141390.html
>
> On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> 55cm Platypus, complete bike with racks, buyer asking $2450, and willing 
>> to ship worldwide. 
>>
>>
>> https://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/d/thousand-oaks-rivendell-platypus-55cm/7765949532.html
>>
>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-7 MoVelo wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> If you are unsuccessful in connecting with this buyer I have a blue 58 
>>> frame and fork that I am about to advertise on the list. I haven't decided 
>>> what to ask for it. If that size works for you and your interested let me 
>>> know.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> James Poulson
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:35:55 AM UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 I've been trying to contact this seller but haven't heard back yet. Oh 
 man, I would like to have this. Anyone have any luck getting thru?

 Jeff
 On Friday 12 July 2024 at 08:12:45 UTC-5 Josh C wrote:

> Nice price on a 60cm Sam 
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-60cm-rivendell-hillborne-dynamo/7765148176.html
>
> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 5:04:48 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I so badly wish this was a 58/59. Hell, even 60!
>>
>> This is exactly what I want to be riding this summer!
>>
>> What size tire will it clear? 28s?
>>
>>
>> P. W.
>> ~
>> (917) 514-2207
>> ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2024, at 1:19 PM, donavanm  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 5:05:32 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>
>> 63cm Roadeo. Don't see these every day. Good price IMO. 
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-roadeo-63cm-black-and/7763433686.html
>>
>>
>>  This is mine. I can provide more photos if anyones interested, or a 
>> test ride in seattle. As mentioned i just dont ride it these days.
>>
>> I also have a 61cm simpleone that Ill be listing once I take some 
>> pics tomorrow. Im keeping my quickbeam, and Ill be down to 7 other bikes…
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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2024

[Steven Sweedler]

The early AR’s were 26”, later ones especially the larger sizes were 700 c.
Grant didn’t like  look of the very long headtubes on the larger frames.

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire


On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 8:17 PM Jim M.  wrote:

> Hmm, the ad says 700 wheels. Weren't All-Rounders 26"?
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 2:39:21 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> Rivendell All-Rounder 60cm - $1,500 (santa clara)
>>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/santa-clara-rivendell-all-rounder-60cm/7767141390.html
>>
>> On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 7:53:19 AM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> 55cm Platypus, complete bike with racks, buyer asking $2450, and willing
>>> to ship worldwide.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://ventura.craigslist.org/bik/d/thousand-oaks-rivendell-platypus-55cm/7765949532.html
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 11:21:29 AM UTC-7 MoVelo wrote:
>>>

 Jeff

 If you are unsuccessful in connecting with this buyer I have a blue 58
 frame and fork that I am about to advertise on the list. I haven't decided
 what to ask for it. If that size works for you and your interested let me
 know.

 Thanks
 James Poulson
 On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 8:35:55 AM UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

>
> I've been trying to contact this seller but haven't heard back yet. Oh
> man, I would like to have this. Anyone have any luck getting thru?
>
> Jeff
> On Friday 12 July 2024 at 08:12:45 UTC-5 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Nice price on a 60cm Sam
>>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-60cm-rivendell-hillborne-dynamo/7765148176.html
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 5:04:48 PM UTC-4 philip@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I so badly wish this was a 58/59. Hell, even 60!
>>>
>>> This is exactly what I want to be riding this summer!
>>>
>>> What size tire will it clear? 28s?
>>>
>>>
>>> P. W.
>>> ~
>>> (917) 514-2207
>>> ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2024, at 1:19 PM, donavanm  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 5, 2024 at 5:05:32 PM UTC-7 Josh C wrote:
>>>
>>> 63cm Roadeo. Don't see these every day. Good price IMO.
>>>
>>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-roadeo-63cm-black-and/7763433686.html
>>>
>>>
>>>  This is mine. I can provide more photos if anyones interested, or a
>>> test ride in seattle. As mentioned i just dont ride it these days.
>>>
>>> I also have a 61cm simpleone that Ill be listing once I take some
>>> pics tomorrow. Im keeping my quickbeam, and Ill be down to 7 other 
>>> bikes…
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Which one to keep

[Ray Varella]

Hey Joe,
They’re both great bikes but the Clems are kind of sleepers. You wouldn’t 
guess they ride as nice as they do just by looking. 

Chris, Thos Moser makes some really nice furniture. 
I’m going to build a tool chest to work out the construction details and 
then build a blanket chest. 
Chairs weren’t that difficult for me once I got over the handwringing. 
I use hand tools and a workbench that I built in my carport. 
The chair I showed was my third one and I’m really satisfied with the 
comfort. I gave the second to my neighbor and he loves it. 

I may end up keeping both bikes but the Clem is staying till my niece wants 
it. 

Cheers 
Ray

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 3:38:13 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:

> Ray
>
> Very impressed with the chair! 
>
> I've built a number of items in our home, more Thos. Moser 'shaker' style, 
> but never a chair! 
>
> As to the cars: We often ride through the San Ysidro Ranch on our bike 
> rides, and there were a half dozen of those things in the lot. I think 
> they're funny. Makes my back groan to think of getting in and out of one. 
> But my back is very happy riding the Clem. 
>
> - Chris 
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 1:56:13 PM UTC-7 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_1849.jpeg]I honestly think the Clem may inch ahead on 
>> comfort but not hugely so. 
>> I agree that the Clem is an exceptionally nice riding bike and I’ve been 
>> riding Rivendells for almost 25 years. 
>> I like them a lot and if I had more room I would likely have more of 
>> them. 
>>
>> Chris, I have never had the pleasure to test ride a Sam Maloof chair but 
>> I spend several hours a day in one of my own and never want for anything 
>> more comfortable, I can’t help you with the car but bright orange 
>> compliments that lime olive paint nicely. 
>> Here’s my chair 
>>
>> Thank you 
>> Ray
>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:25:32 PM UTC-7 Chris Halasz wrote:
>>
>>> Ray 
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it was Sam Maloof  who said 
>>> that a chair should first and foremost invite the individual to come and 
>>> sit. Rivendell bikes invite me to ride them, far more than any other 
>>> bicycle manufacturer, and the ride, like Sam’s rocking chairs, always 
>>> exceed my expectation of the invite. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve owned a number of Rivendell bikes (Road Standard, LongLow, 
>>> Rambouillet, Bleriot, Bombadil, Sam, and a Platypus) and now a Clem. 
>>> Clearly I like Rivendell bikes, and the mindset at Rivendell. 
>>>
>>>
>>> I ride the Clem 99% on the road, around town, and typically on two 
>>> extended rides each week. To me, the Clem is the zenith of the Rivendell 
>>> experience. I feel like it kindly informs other cyclists that they don’t 
>>> have to ride carbon frames, or skinny tires, or clipless pedals, or … to 
>>> just enjoy their authenticity. To me, me, it’s the most authentic of the 
>>> current Rivendell design. To me, it most inspires wabi-sabi and beausage. I 
>>> won’t argue any of those points: my truth, maybe no one else’s. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there one that is more inviting to you? 
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, can you folks help me decide which color Montecito Pinto goes best 
>>> with the Clem green in my driveway? I'm thinking of only keeping one. 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Montecito_Pintos.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, 
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 6:37:47 AM UTC-7 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>>
 Having ridden both, I'd say that the clem may face some limitations 
 when it comes to heavier loaded rides (that you may not be expecting or 
 planning) because the flex on the frame is a lot more noticeable on the 
 clem than the platy. 

 On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 8:13:37 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> If they were full crossover for me and I could honestly use either one 
> in all situations then I would take the one that I felt was the most 
> comfortable or honestly which one I just felt looked better. I will say 
> that if I was absolutely forced down to one Rivendell I think it would be 
> the Clem.
>
> On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 12:10:25 AM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:
>
>> Prioritize needs and wants. Then choose which bike meets most or all 
>> of them. 
>> If they both cover them all, then I’d go by looks. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:51:33 PM UTC-6 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> I’m curious how you guys would choose between two bikes you already 
>>> have. 
>>> I have a Clem and a Platypus, they are both very comfortable and 
>>> extremely nice riding bikes. 
>>> There’s so much overlap between them I don’t need both. 
>>> I’m leaning towards the Clem because it will fit my niece better 
>>> than the Platypus will. 
>>> The Platypus is a really beautiful bike. 
>>> I know some members have duplicates or multiples of bikes they like. 
>>> How would you guys choose between the two?
>>>
>>> Th

Re: [RBW] Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

[rltilley]

I own one. I have a Tern e-Cargo bike that allows me to ride more. I don’t have free time for recreational riding currently so errands are the only way I get to ride. I do as many errands as I can on “normal” bikes but the Tern lets me get more miles in since it allows me to ride when I would otherwise need to take the car. My e-bike has no throttle. It is pedal assist only.That said, I don’t like e-bikes on the trails and that is getting more and more common around here. I think I’d be ok with pedal assist e-bikes on organized rides.  They would basically allow people to participate who would otherwise need to sit it out. I’d prefer if they were limited to pedal assist only models and had assist cutoffs at 20 mph or so. Allowing E-bikes with throttles on an organized ride with inexperienced cyclists is likely a bad idea.Robert TilleySan Diego, CASent from my iPhoneOn Jul 17, 2024, at 4:53 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:A friend and I did the Seattle to Portland ride this past weekend (205 miles in either one or two days), and we were both surprised to see a number of riders on electric bikes. I haven’t done many large cycling events since the rise in popularity of electric bikes. When I did large-scale rides like STP pre-COVID, everybody would have been on a regular, human-powered bike. So seeing powered bikes on a “cycling” event struck us as a little strange. What is everyone’s experience with this? I’ll admit I am a little skeptical about combining electric- and human-powered bikes in the same event, but that’s probably a reflection of my cycling history. The events I usually ride, which are mostly RUSA-sanctioned randonneuring, would definitely not allow any kind of powered bike.What do YOU think? Should electric bikes be allowed on events like RAGBRAI, STP, centuries, etc.? What limits would you impose, if any? Or should they have their own events?Interested to hear what the group thinks.
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[RBW] Re: Electric Bikes and Organized Rides

[Hoch in ut]

I know some get offended at the sight of one. At the end of the day, 
they’re two wheeled machines that get ridden by folks who like to ride. I 
say, hooray for them. Let them come and enjoy being outside with other 
people. Unless you’re in an elite, pro-level racing event, WHO CARES? . 
It’s better than having them sit at home or worse, be out of the road in a 
car. 

On Wednesday, July 17, 2024 at 5:53:33 PM UTC-6 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> A friend and I did the Seattle to Portland ride this past weekend (205 
> miles in either one or two days), and we were both surprised to see a 
> number of riders on electric bikes. 
>
> I haven’t done many large cycling events since the rise in popularity of 
> electric bikes. When I did large-scale rides like STP pre-COVID, everybody 
> would have been on a regular, human-powered bike. So seeing powered bikes 
> on a “cycling” event struck us as a little strange. 
>
> What is everyone’s experience with this? I’ll admit I am a little 
> skeptical about combining electric- and human-powered bikes in the same 
> event, but that’s probably a reflection of my cycling history. The events I 
> usually ride, which are mostly RUSA-sanctioned randonneuring, would 
> definitely not allow any kind of powered bike.
>
> What do YOU think? Should electric bikes be allowed on events like 
> RAGBRAI, STP, centuries, etc.? What limits would you impose, if any? Or 
> should they have their own events?
>
> Interested to hear what the group thinks.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: First Post - A (Fixed!) Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

That is FANTASTIC.
Years ago a fixed gen 1 Atlantis was posted to the list from Craigslist. 
Possibly the most beausaged Riv I’d ever seen, as well.

Ride well!
Philip 
SR, CA 

On Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 9:35:45 PM UTC-7 purple...@gmail.com wrote:

> (3rd chunk!)
>
> I’ve got a few bar setups - dirt drop, wde Doom Bar swept back flat 
> bar, and an albatross. I probably prefer the albatross, but it’s a bit 
> narrow - I’m hoping to eventually switch to the “Moth Bar” by Magic 
> Components. The whole fixed gear thing makes it really really easy to swap 
> out cockpits - just unslot the cables from the brake levers, and pop them 
> in the new cockpit! I can probably change cockpits in <2 minutes, which 
> goes a long way for convenience.
>
> A blue Sackville BagBoy SaddleSack sitting on a Marks Rack, and a Nitto 
> 32r front rack with a small Wald basket on it, do my cargo duties. I wanted 
> to have a little rack/basket on the front so I’m not tempted to overload 
> the front - I wanted to get a sense of the handling first. I do also plan 
> to sew a small frame bag for the gap in the rear triangle. 
>
> Those are the main highlights of the build. I’ve taken it on some fun 
> rides, nothing too crazy, I’d like to go for a lng ride/tour one of 
> these days. 
>
> Thanks everyone for this list - I have definitely got hours of enjoyment 
> from reading posts on here!
>

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[RBW] Re: Your Riv's Next Upgades / Parts Swaps

[Philip Williamson]

My Quickbeam is pretty dialed. Enough that I’ve given away or sold spare 
wheelsets or built other bikes around them. 

The bell is pretty terrible, though. It’s a Sogreni fancy-pants unit I got 
from a Riv garage sale for $5. Apparently someone there also found it hard 
to ring and dull sounding! When I ride I imagine ways I can hack it so it 
doesn’t suck, but I probably just need to replace it with a good bell 
that’s easy and satisfying to ring. 

It’s my only Riv, and I’ve had it for 20 years, so it shouldn’t be too 
surprising that there’s not much left to tweak. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Sunday, July 14, 2024 at 12:52:11 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> When building up a bike sometimes you make do with what you have on hand 
> already, or is readily available, or affordable.  Though in the back of 
> your mind you've already identified a replacement.
>
> I'm curious as to what parts on your current builds have you slotted for 
> eventual replacement at some time in the future?  What will you be 
> replacing it with?  Any dream parts in there, or just more functional or 
> comfortable choices?
>
> On my Roadini I'm really happy with the touch-points: saddle and seat 
> post, bars and tape, pedals; one of my wheel sets (with the 43mm tires); 
> the cages; brake levers, callipers, and DT shifters. The chain and cassette 
> are fine--and I want to stick with 11sp--but the crank and derailleurs are 
> on my list of upgrades/swaps (partially for aesthetics...would like silver, 
> partially for function as I would like a bit more great range on the low 
> end).  I would also like to replace the second wheel set that I use with 
> 30mm tires for road-only rides (to something lighter/faster).  I would also 
> change the housing (aesthetics, maybe green or grey), and the saddle bag.
>

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