date:20230909

Hi Kim. Rivendell just announced they have a few Clem completes & frames in stock. I think the blue 59’s are completes only.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 8, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Kim H. wrote:

I am looking to trade my
2019 Rivendell 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset in LIME OLIVE for a Rivendell 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L"
frameset in RBW BLUE from the last production batch this past April 2023 or from
2019.
I am asking that your frameset is in very good condition
with very minimal beausage, as is mine.

My frameset
is currently a built-up bicycle. I would need time to tear it down and
facilitate this trade.

I'm located
outside of Olympia, in the south Puget Sound region of Washington State. We can
meet locally to trade. Otherwise, I will take my frameset have it packed and
shipped through my LBS via BikeFlights. I would be willing to split the cost.

Kim Hetzel

Yelm, WA.

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[RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread Tom Goodmann

I empathize, Leah. Not being one for beausage in any area of life, I am 
okay with wear and character on boots, but not with chain grease on pants.  
You might try various ankle straps; those with velcro seem to have limited 
effectiveness, as your experience suggest, and wear out over time. But 
there are many others out there that may be more effective, either with an 
extended strap mechanism or with a clip design (as seen in old British 
films).  I'm sure you can find a design that will have you rockin' the 90s 
grease-free!

Tom (who commuted to campus by bike for years, mostly grease-free)

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:13:39 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where 
> are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the 
> bike?
>
> The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my 
> era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back, 
> and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you 
> could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon. 
> I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a 
> charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser. 
>
> But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the era 
> of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall riding 
> boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried about 
> getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era. 
>
> Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch. I 
> really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over getting 
> them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my Saddlesack 
> for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those straps work 
> better in theory than in real life because by the time I got home, 
> well…here’s a photo. 
>
> I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to 
> have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic, 
> since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking. 
> My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going 
> to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”
>
> My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will mark 
> up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move the 
> pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me that 
> these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the damage 
> to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and sneakers 
> year-round.
>
> And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike? Do 
> you wear what you want? Do you even care? 
>
> Meanwhile, I did order more ankle straps, figuring more is more. While I’m 
> not too distressed about my army green pants getting greasy, I might feel 
> differently if the pants were a lighter color. 
>
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO/WTT: 59cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset RBW Blue

Hi Richard,
I am very much aware of Rivendell just announcing they have a few 59cm Clem 
completes in RBW Blue in stock. I would rather not buy a complete bicycle. 
I would be left with a lot over extra parts that I do not need. My only 
alternative would be to call Rivendell and ask if they would just sell me 
the frameset/fork, of which I just may do that come Monday morning. Who 
would be the best person to ask ? Will or Grant ?

Thank-you,

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:47:55 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Kim. Rivendell just announced they have a few Clem completes & frames 
> in stock. I think the blue 59’s are completes only.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 8, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
>  
>
> I am looking to trade my 2019 Rivendell 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset 
> in LIME OLIVE for a Rivendell 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset in RBW 
> BLUE from the last production batch this past April 2023 or from 2019.
>
> I am asking that your frameset is in very good condition with very minimal 
> beausage, as is mine.  
>
> My frameset is currently a built-up bicycle. I would need time to tear it 
> down and facilitate this trade.  
>
> I'm located outside of Olympia, in the south Puget Sound region of 
> Washington State. We can meet locally to trade. Otherwise, I will take my 
> frameset have it packed and shipped through my LBS via BikeFlights. I would 
> be willing to split the cost.
>
> Kim Hetzel 
>
> Yelm, WA.
>
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[RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread J G

While I still kit up (to a lesser or greater extent) for bigger rides, I 
converged biking and daily wear about a dozen years ago.  Search and State 
and Mission Workshop on the kit end and brands like Outlier and Swrve along 
with Icebreaker and the original Ibex provided daily wear options that 
performed well on a bike.  Outlier generally leaning a bit more to the 
office friendly and fashion end and Swrve with more gussets and 
articulation leans to the all day on a bike side.  Added bonus is that both 
companies work with interesting high performance fabrics with Outlier 
having that at its core and Swrve generally doing special runs via their 
blk_label line.  Both companies also originally had all of their production 
in NYC and SF respectively and I try and support small businesses with 
sound ethics where I can.  Speaking of that, Kitsbow would be another 
mention as I really liked their wool Icon shirts, but they have recently 
gone under.  

Fashions change, style endures.  Keep wearing those skinny jeans and high 
boots if you like them.  Whatever gear makes a bike most accessible to you 
is the good stuff.

-Justus
Mpls, MN
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:44:06 AM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> I empathize, Leah. Not being one for beausage in any area of life, I am 
> okay with wear and character on boots, but not with chain grease on pants.  
> You might try various ankle straps; those with velcro seem to have limited 
> effectiveness, as your experience suggest, and wear out over time. But 
> there are many others out there that may be more effective, either with an 
> extended strap mechanism or with a clip design (as seen in old British 
> films).  I'm sure you can find a design that will have you rockin' the 90s 
> grease-free!
>
> Tom (who commuted to campus by bike for years, mostly grease-free)
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:13:39 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where 
>> are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the 
>> bike?
>>
>> The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my 
>> era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back, 
>> and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you 
>> could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon. 
>> I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a 
>> charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser. 
>>
>> But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the 
>> era of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall 
>> riding boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried 
>> about getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era. 
>>
>> Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch. I 
>> really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over getting 
>> them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my Saddlesack 
>> for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those straps work 
>> better in theory than in real life because by the time I got home, 
>> well…here’s a photo. 
>>
>> I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to 
>> have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic, 
>> since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking. 
>> My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going 
>> to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”
>>
>> My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will 
>> mark up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move 
>> the pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me 
>> that these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the 
>> damage to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and 
>> sneakers year-round.
>>
>> And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike? Do 
>> you wear what you want? Do you even care? 
>>
>> Meanwhile, I did order more ankle straps, figuring more is more. While 
>> I’m not too distressed about my army green pants getting greasy, I might 
>> feel differently if the pants were a lighter color. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] WTB Nitto R14 rear rack

2023-09-09 Thread ian m

This is the model withe the plate for mounting a rear light. Preferably 
without the tombstone but I don't think I can be picky. Anyone know 
when/why these were discontinued? or know of another good saddlebag support 
that I can mount a wired rear light to?

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[RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread Bill Lindsay

Leah

Regarding keeping your pants grease free:  Rivendell sells the absolute 
best ankle strap for 
conspicuity. 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/ankle-reflector-rar?_pos=1&_psq=ankle&_ss=e&_v=1.0

That legband is lousy for keeping your pants out of the chain.  The far 
better ankle band for keeping your pants out of the chain is the Aardvark 
Ankle Biters:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/303745533555 Every bike should have 
one of these wrapped around the handlebar for easy use.  It also doubles 
very well as a parking brake.  

Remember how we used to "peg" our jeans or trousers?  That's how you use an 
ankle strap.  Take a fold of fabric at your shin, fold it AWAY from the 
centerline of the bike and then strap that down with the ankle strap. 
 Don't just bunch up your pant leg and let it flare out like a tutu on the 
bottom.  That's still going to get into the chain.  Let me know if that's 
not clear, and I'll do a photo essay for you.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where 
> are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the 
> bike?
>
> The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my 
> era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back, 
> and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you 
> could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon. 
> I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a 
> charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser. 
>
> But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the era 
> of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall riding 
> boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried about 
> getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era. 
>
> Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch. I 
> really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over getting 
> them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my Saddlesack 
> for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those straps work 
> better in theory than in real life because by the time I got home, 
> well…here’s a photo. 
>
> I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to 
> have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic, 
> since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking. 
> My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going 
> to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”
>
> My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will mark 
> up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move the 
> pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me that 
> these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the damage 
> to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and sneakers 
> year-round.
>
> And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike? Do 
> you wear what you want? Do you even care? 
>
> Meanwhile, I did order more ankle straps, figuring more is more. While I’m 
> not too distressed about my army green pants getting greasy, I might feel 
> differently if the pants were a lighter color. 
>
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO/WTT: 59cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset RBW Blue

Will no doubt but they will not do that, I do not think. The Blue ones are complete from the factory & it just would not make sense to disassemble a bike to sell the frame. I take it you really like the blue? It is a beautiful shade to be sure.The announcement caught my attention as I know now that I could ride a large vs. my medium. Probably just crazy talk as I love my 27.5 medium.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2023, at 11:10 AM, Kim H. wrote:Hi Richard,I am very much aware of
Rivendell just announcing they have a few 59cm Clem completes in RBW Blue in stock. I would rather not buy a complete bicycle. I would be left with a lot over extra parts that I do not need. My only alternative would be to call Rivendell and ask if they would just sell me the frameset/fork, of which I just may do that come Monday morning. Who would be the best person to ask ? Will or Grant ?Thank-you,Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:47:55 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:Hi Kim. Rivendell just announced they have a few Clem completes & frames in stock. I think the blue 59’s are completes only.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 8, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Kim H. wrote:

My frameset
is currently a built-up bicycle. I would need time to tear it down and
facilitate this trade.

Kim Hetzel

Yelm, WA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread Leah Peterson

Bill, I absolutely employed the 90s tactic of pegging those pants! And they managed to be bunched up under that Riv band anyway. I did NOT, however, do the peg and fold - remember that?! The Aardvark band looks promising, albeit ugly and expensive. I’m wondering if a stack of regular bands would accomplish the same. We’ll find out when my Amazon order arrives.LSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:LeahRegarding keeping your pants grease free: Rivendell sells the absolute best ankle strap for conspicuity. https://www.rivbike.com/products/ankle-reflector-rar?_pos=1&_psq=ankle&_ss=e&_v=1.0That legband is lousy for keeping your pants out of the chain. The far better ankle band for keeping your pants out of the chain is the Aardvark Ankle Biters: https://www.ebay.com/itm/303745533555 Every bike should have one of these wrapped around the handlebar for easy use. It also doubles very well as a parking brake. Remember how we used to "peg" our jeans or trousers? That's how you use an ankle strap. Take a fold of fabric at your shin, fold it AWAY from the centerline of the bike and then strap that down with the ankle strap. Don't just bunch up your pant leg and let it flare out like a tutu on the bottom. That's still going to get into the chain. Let me know if that's not clear, and I'll do a photo essay for you. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the bike?The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back, and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon. I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser. But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the era of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall riding boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried about getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era. Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch. I really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over getting them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my Saddlesack for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those straps work better in theory than in real life because by the time I got home, well…here’s a photo. I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic, since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking. My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will mark up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move the pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me that these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the damage to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and sneakers year-round.And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike? Do you wear what you want? Do you even care? Meanwhile, I did order more ankle straps, figuring more is more. While I’m not too distressed about my army green pants getting greasy, I might feel differently if the pants were a lighter color. Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread Patrick Moore

+1. This is also the easiest way to tuck pants into socks.

I have some neoprene "Leg Shield" cycling gaiters that cover the pants legs
up to about an 11" height and close with velcro. I daresay too warm for
summer but perhaps there are lightweight ones available?

Leg Shield suggests wearing their gaiters a bit loose in warm weather. Tip:
buy a yellow one for the traffic side, and black on for the chain side.

https://bikelegstrap.com/leg-shield

I keep mine for wet and muddy weather but have to confess I've used them
only a couple of times.

Leg Shield also makes neoprene reflective bands that are wider than many
other bands and "stick" better to trousers than nylon bands.

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 9:27 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Remember how we used to "peg" our jeans or trousers?  That's how you use
> an ankle strap.  Take a fold of fabric at your shin, fold it AWAY from the
> centerline of the bike and then strap that down with the ankle strap.
> Don't just bunch up your pant leg and let it flare out like a tutu on the
> bottom.  That's still going to get into the chain.  Let me know if that's
> not clear, and I'll do a photo essay for you.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread Leah Peterson

Justus, I had never heard of these brands and looked them up - I love them. They are for men, but I would encourage other men on this list to shop there because the clothes look fantastic. Jealous!Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2023, at 11:15 AM, J G wrote:While I still kit up (to a lesser or greater extent) for bigger rides, I converged biking and daily wear about a dozen years ago. Search and State and Mission Workshop on the kit end and brands like Outlier and Swrve along with Icebreaker and the original Ibex provided daily wear options that performed well on a bike. Outlier generally leaning a bit more to the office friendly and fashion end and Swrve with more gussets and articulation leans to the all day on a bike side. Added bonus is that both companies work with interesting high performance fabrics with Outlier having that at its core and Swrve generally doing special runs via their blk_label line. Both companies also originally had all of their production in NYC and SF respectively and I try and support small businesses with sound ethics where I can. Speaking of that, Kitsbow would be another mention as I really liked their wool Icon shirts, but they have recently gone under. Fashions change, style endures. Keep wearing those skinny jeans and high boots if you like them. Whatever gear makes a bike most accessible to you is the good stuff.-JustusMpls, MNOn Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:44:06 AM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:I empathize, Leah. Not being one for beausage in any area of life, I am okay with wear and character on boots, but not with chain grease on pants. You might try various ankle straps; those with velcro seem to have limited effectiveness, as your experience suggest, and wear out over time. But there are many others out there that may be more effective, either with an extended strap mechanism or with a clip design (as seen in old British films). I'm sure you can find a design that will have you rockin' the 90s grease-free!Tom (who commuted to campus by bike for years, mostly grease-free)On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:13:39 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the bike?The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back, and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon. I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser. But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the era of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall riding boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried about getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era. Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch. I really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over getting them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my Saddlesack for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those straps work better in theory than in real life because by the time I got home, well…here’s a photo. I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic, since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking. My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will mark up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move the pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me that these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the damage to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and sneakers year-round.And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike? Do you wear what you want? Do you even care? Meanwhile, I did order more ankle straps, figuring more is more. While I’m not too distressed about my army green pants getting greasy, I might feel differently if the pants were a lighter color. Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread Bill Lindsay

"the peg and fold - remember that?! "

I lived that!  I was class of '87.  We all did the peg and fold and had our 
bangs up high with hairspray like flock of seagulls.  

BL in EC

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 8:37:28 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Bill, I absolutely employed the 90s tactic of pegging those pants! And 
> they managed to be bunched up under that Riv band anyway. I did NOT, 
> however, do the peg and fold - remember that?! 
>
> The Aardvark band looks promising, albeit ugly and expensive. I’m 
> wondering if a stack of regular bands would accomplish the same. We’ll find 
> out when my Amazon order arrives.
> L
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Leah
>
>
> Regarding keeping your pants grease free:  Rivendell sells the absolute 
> best ankle strap for conspicuity. 
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/ankle-reflector-rar?_pos=1&_psq=ankle&_ss=e&_v=1.0
>
> That legband is lousy for keeping your pants out of the chain.  The far 
> better ankle band for keeping your pants out of the chain is the Aardvark 
> Ankle Biters:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/303745533555 Every bike should 
> have one of these wrapped around the handlebar for easy use.  It also 
> doubles very well as a parking brake.  
>
> Remember how we used to "peg" our jeans or trousers?  That's how you use 
> an ankle strap.  Take a fold of fabric at your shin, fold it AWAY from the 
> centerline of the bike and then strap that down with the ankle strap. 
>  Don't just bunch up your pant leg and let it flare out like a tutu on the 
> bottom.  That's still going to get into the chain.  Let me know if that's 
> not clear, and I'll do a photo essay for you.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where 
>> are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the 
>> bike?
>>
>> The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my 
>> era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back, 
>> and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you 
>> could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon. 
>> I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a 
>> charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser. 
>>
>> But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the 
>> era of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall 
>> riding boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried 
>> about getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era. 
>>
>> Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch. I 
>> really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over getting 
>> them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my Saddlesack 
>> for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those straps work 
>> better in theory than in real life because by the time I got home, 
>> well…here’s a photo. 
>>
>> I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to 
>> have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic, 
>> since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking. 
>> My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going 
>> to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”
>>
>> My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will 
>> mark up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move 
>> the pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me 
>> that these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the 
>> damage to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and 
>> sneakers year-round.
>>
>> And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike? Do 
>> you wear what you want? Do you even care? 
>>
>> Meanwhile, I did order more ankle straps, figuring more is more. While 
>> I’m not too distressed about my army green pants getting greasy, I might 
>> feel differently if the pants were a lighter color. 
>>
>> Leah
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread Sally Bidleman

Leah and Company,

Excellent reading; thank you! As a new Riv Rider, I've been  remiss in
considering legwear  (only sported old sweatpants that I can push up as
necessary). I've concentrated more on topsFrench-ish stripes and
Kule-brand "Thank you, have a nice day" t-shirts, etc. And Birkenstocks or
Hokas...Certainly, I aspire to being cuter, but have yet to find a fashion
that will minimize incessant eye-rolling of 22-year-old daughter, ha!

Sally

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 8:42 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Justus, I had never heard of these brands and looked them up - I love
> them. They are for men, but I would encourage other men on this list to
> shop there because the clothes look fantastic. Jealous!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:15 AM, J G  wrote:
>
> While I still kit up (to a lesser or greater extent) for bigger rides, I
> converged biking and daily wear about a dozen years ago.  Search and State
> and Mission Workshop on the kit end and brands like Outlier and Swrve along
> with Icebreaker and the original Ibex provided daily wear options that
> performed well on a bike.  Outlier generally leaning a bit more to the
> office friendly and fashion end and Swrve with more gussets and
> articulation leans to the all day on a bike side.  Added bonus is that both
> companies work with interesting high performance fabrics with Outlier
> having that at its core and Swrve generally doing special runs via their
> blk_label line.  Both companies also originally had all of their production
> in NYC and SF respectively and I try and support small businesses with
> sound ethics where I can.  Speaking of that, Kitsbow would be another
> mention as I really liked their wool Icon shirts, but they have recently
> gone under.
>
> Fashions change, style endures.  Keep wearing those skinny jeans and high
> boots if you like them.  Whatever gear makes a bike most accessible to you
> is the good stuff.
>
> -Justus
> Mpls, MN
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:44:06 AM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
>> I empathize, Leah. Not being one for beausage in any area of life, I am
>> okay with wear and character on boots, but not with chain grease on pants.
>> You might try various ankle straps; those with velcro seem to have limited
>> effectiveness, as your experience suggest, and wear out over time. But
>> there are many others out there that may be more effective, either with an
>> extended strap mechanism or with a clip design (as seen in old British
>> films).  I'm sure you can find a design that will have you rockin' the 90s
>> grease-free!
>>
>> Tom (who commuted to campus by bike for years, mostly grease-free)
>>
>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:13:39 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where
>>> are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the
>>> bike?
>>>
>>> The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my
>>> era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back,
>>> and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you
>>> could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon.
>>> I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a
>>> charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser.
>>>
>>> But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the
>>> era of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall
>>> riding boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried
>>> about getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era.
>>>
>>> Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch.
>>> I really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over
>>> getting them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my
>>> Saddlesack for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those
>>> straps work better in theory than in real life because by the time I got
>>> home, well…here’s a photo.
>>>
>>> I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to
>>> have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic,
>>> since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking.
>>> My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going
>>> to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”
>>>
>>> My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will
>>> mark up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move
>>> the pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me
>>> that these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the
>>> damage to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and
>>> sneakers year-round.
>>>
>>> And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike?
>>> Do you wear w

Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

I am a Kitsbow devotee & their demise still hurts. Cycling specific garments equally at home off the bike are my go to’s. Search & State stuff is beautiful but most of their stuff is more road oriented. I really do like their few more casual offerings.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2023, at 11:42 AM, Leah Peterson wrote:Justus, I had never heard of these brands and looked them up - I love them. They are for men, but I would encourage other men on this list to shop there because the clothes look fantastic. Jealous!Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2023, at 11:15 AM, J G wrote:While I still kit up (to a lesser or greater extent) for bigger rides, I converged biking and daily wear about a dozen years ago. Search and State and Mission Workshop on the kit end and brands like Outlier and Swrve along with Icebreaker and the original Ibex provided daily wear options that performed well on a bike. Outlier generally leaning a bit more to the office friendly and fashion end and Swrve with more gussets and articulation leans to the all day on a bike side. Added bonus is that both companies work with interesting high performance fabrics with Outlier having that at its core and Swrve generally doing special runs via their blk_label line. Both companies also originally had all of their production in NYC and SF respectively and I try and support small businesses with sound ethics where I can. Speaking of that, Kitsbow would be another mention as I really liked their wool Icon shirts, but they have recently gone under. Fashions change, style endures. Keep wearing those skinny jeans and high boots if you like them. Whatever gear makes a bike most accessible to you is the good stuff.-JustusMpls, MNOn Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 9:44:06 AM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:I empathize, Leah. Not being one for beausage in any area of life, I am okay with wear and character on boots, but not with chain grease on pants. You might try various ankle straps; those with velcro seem to have limited effectiveness, as your experience suggest, and wear out over time. But there are many others out there that may be more effective, either with an extended strap mechanism or with a clip design (as seen in old British films). I'm sure you can find a design that will have you rockin' the 90s grease-free!Tom (who commuted to campus by bike for years, mostly grease-free)On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:13:39 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the bike?The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back, and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon. I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser. But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the era of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall riding boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried about getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era. Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch. I really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over getting them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my Saddlesack for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those straps work better in theory than in real life because by the time I got home, well…here’s a photo. I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic, since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking. My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will mark up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move the pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me that these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the damage to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and sneakers year-round.And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike? Do you wear what you want? Do you even care? Meanwhile, I did order more ankle straps, figuring more is more. While I’m not too distressed about my army green pants getting greasy, I might feel differently if the pants were a lighter color. Leah

Re: [RBW] FS: BR-CX70 cantis, Silver2 shifters, Tektro CR720 cantis

Pm sent.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 9, 2023, at 1:11 PM, J J  wrote:Please let me know via direct message if you're interested in any of these. Thanks!Shimano BR-CX70 cantilever brakes (set of two) - $80 shippedI recently took these off my Hunq. Excellent mechanical condition. Superficial wear.Rivendell Silver2 shifters (set of two) - $45 shippedThese came off the Hunq, too. Excellent mechanical condition. All parts present and intact.Tektro CR720 cantilever brakes (set of two) - $38 shippedTook these off a recent bike purchase. Excellent condition.



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[RBW] Re: Did Charlie Gallop lose its swoopy top tube?

2023-09-09 Thread iamkeith

Veering ever-so-slightly off topic, and apologies to those who don't have 
facebook, but check out the bike in this video:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1148753762570679?mibextid=9drbnH


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[RBW] Current cork grip gluing BKM?

2023-09-09 Thread Doug Van Cleve

Howdy folks.

I just did a search on this and found a (largely inconclusive) thread from
2020.  RBW currently shows something like Amazing Goop/Shoe Goo being
liberally smeared on the bar before sliding on the grip, which of course
results in a bunch of that toxic goo pushing out from under the grip and a
grip that is completely fused to the bar.  I have read a couple folks
suggesting that they managed to secure the grips well (enough) but still
remove without destroying, which sounds pretty good.  Is there a current
"best" way/product for doing this?

Thanks, Doug

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[RBW] Re: FS: BR-CX70 cantis, Silver2 shifters, Tektro CR720 cantis

2023-09-09 Thread J J

*Silver2 shifters have sold.* Thanks for all the interest!

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 1:10:57 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> Please let me know via direct message if you're interested in any of 
> these. Thanks!
>
>
> *Shimano BR-CX70 cantilever brakes (set of two) - $80 shipped*
> I recently took these off my Hunq. Excellent mechanical condition. 
> Superficial wear.
>
> [image: Shimano BR-CX70 cantilever brakes.jpg]
>
> *Rivendell Silver2 shifters (set of two) - $45 shipped*
> These came off the Hunq, too. Excellent mechanical condition. All parts 
> present and intact.
>
> [image: Silver2 Rivendell shifters.jpg]
>
> *Tektro CR720 cantilever brakes **(set of two)** - $38 shipped*
> Took these off a recent bike purchase. Excellent condition.
>
> [image: Tektro CR720 cantilever brakes.jpg]
>

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[RBW] ISO Dynamo Lights

2023-09-09 Thread Ryan Ogilvie

Hi all, Anyone interested in selling a front and/or rear dynamo light? 
Looking to add some lighting to my recently built Suz. 

I don't mind if the wiring is a bit of mess. I can clean that up. Just 
looking for working lamps. 

Thanks!
Ryan

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[RBW] Re: ISO 1st-Gen Clementine or Clem L Frame for 26" Wheels.

2023-09-09 Thread Chromerails

Thanks, Kim, but that's a 650B bike. I'm looking for a 26"-wheel version.

Jon
Austin

On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:51:45 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @Jon -
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-clem-complete-52cm/7657350903.html
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:58:41 AM UTC-7 Chromerails wrote:
>
>> Looking for a 1st gen Clementine or Clem L frame designed for 26" wheels. 
>> Family member wants to ride, but has limited hip mobility. Could 
>> possibly work a trade including our 56-cm Rambouillet.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Jon Grant
>> Austin, Texas
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO 1st-Gen Clementine or Clem L Frame for 26" Wheels.

I tried, Jon.

Kim.

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023, 2:09 PM Chromerails  wrote:

> Thanks, Kim, but that's a 650B bike. I'm looking for a 26"-wheel version.
>
> Jon
> Austin
>
> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 12:51:45 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Jon -
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-rivendell-clem-complete-52cm/7657350903.html
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA.
>>
>> On Friday, September 8, 2023 at 8:58:41 AM UTC-7 Chromerails wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a 1st gen Clementine or Clem L frame designed for 26"
>>> wheels. Family member wants to ride, but has limited hip mobility. Could
>>> possibly work a trade including our 56-cm Rambouillet.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Jon Grant
>>> Austin, Texas
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Panaracer GravelKing SK 700 x 50 tires

2023-09-09 Thread Stephen

Sent ya an email

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 7:15:07 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Bumping this again, dropping the price.
>
> 2 Panaracer GravelKing SK tires, knobbies with black sidewalls
> Very gently used with tubes
> Nearly new, less than 100 miles and only ridden on asphalt and concrete
> One tire had a punture, repaired with silicone.
>
> $50 for the pair, or best offer.
> Free shipping anywhere in the US of A
>
>
>
> [image: IMG_3454.jpg]
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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Update

2023-09-09 Thread J S


In my experience when just a few coats of shellac are used it can feel 
rough.  I always do many coats, 7,8 or more until it feels smooth. 
The longest to dry is the first coat, after that dry time is quicker as you 
put on more coats. My shellacked bars are very smooth. 

Good luck, nice looking bike.  
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:41:29 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I'm nearing completion of my Atlantis rebuild and wanted to share it with 
> you all. I'm tempted to shellac the bar tape to match the chainstay 
> protector but i've heard that this can give the tape a rough texture ? (i 
> haven't done this before). I have some metal fenders coming and plan to 
> add  Riv fender flaps (gray and leather if i can ever find them). I wanted 
> to have enough clearance for my fenders but when i raised the straddle high 
> enough I wasn't a fan of the performance with the touring style cantis. I 
> also wanted a front rack for that beautiful Berthoud bag that i got from a 
> group member. So implemented a Suntour Power Hanger and am very pleased 
> with the braking power and aesthetic. I was really nice to get rid of the 
> headset cable stop as well. I've run one of these in the past and the cable 
> entered on the other side so i'm wondering if i got some weird 
> british/motocross style where the front brake is routed from the right. It 
> works well enough but looks better with the other style. Also, shout out to 
> Hunter Nugz for easy brake adjustment and VO for their integrated decaleur 
> (i had difficulty finding one that could handle the relatively short bag 
> height and high handlebar). 
>
> Enjoy! Totally open to any suggestions or recommendations if you would 
> improve on the build in any way.
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAU4a6
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Re: [RBW] ISO/WTT: 59cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset RBW Blue

@Richard -
I do understand your thinking and doubtfulness that Rivendell will tear
down a complete bike to sell a frame set.

Yes, I absolutely love the RBW blue color over the Lime Olive. I'm alright
with the Lime Olive. However, riding a RBW blue Clem would be so wonderful.

If or when I do acquire a 59cm RBW blue Clem frame set and build it up,
I'll contact you and see if you are interested in building my 59 cm Lime
Olive Clem.

In the meantime, I thoroughly understand where you are coming from in
feeling comfortable with your medium Clem with 27.5 wheels.

I feel similar in a different way. For nearly 40 years of riding my Cilo
Sprintx road bike with 29" wheels and for a short time, I rode two
different bikes with 27.5" wheels, I much prefer to ride on 29" wheels on
my Clem.  There are times that I would like to ride a 52cm Clem to feel the
difference.

Thanks,
Kim.


On Sat, Sep 9, 2023, 8:34 AM Richard Rose  wrote:

> Will no doubt but they will not do that, I do not think. The Blue ones are
> complete from the factory & it just would not make sense to disassemble a
> bike to sell the frame. I take it you really like the blue? It is a
> beautiful shade to be sure.
> The announcement caught my attention as I know now that I could ride a
> large vs. my medium. Probably just crazy talk as I love my 27.5 medium.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:10 AM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Richard,
> I am very much aware of Rivendell just announcing they have a few 59cm
> Clem completes in RBW Blue in stock. I would rather not buy a complete
> bicycle. I would be left with a lot over extra parts that I do not need. My
> only alternative would be to call Rivendell and ask if they would just sell
> me the frameset/fork, of which I just may do that come Monday morning. Who
> would be the best person to ask ? Will or Grant ?
>
> Thank-you,
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:47:55 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kim. Rivendell just announced they have a few Clem completes & frames
>> in stock. I think the blue 59’s are completes only.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2023, at 9:54 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I am looking to trade my 2019 Rivendell 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset
>> in LIME OLIVE for a Rivendell 59cm Clem Smith Jr. "L" frameset in RBW
>> BLUE from the last production batch this past April 2023 or from 2019.
>>
>> I am asking that your frameset is in very good condition with very
>> minimal beausage, as is mine.
>>
>> My frameset is currently a built-up bicycle. I would need time to tear it
>> down and facilitate this trade.
>>
>> I'm located outside of Olympia, in the south Puget Sound region of
>> Washington State. We can meet locally to trade. Otherwise, I will take my
>> frameset have it packed and shipped through my LBS via BikeFlights. I would
>> be willing to split the cost.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>>
>> Yelm, WA.
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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Update

2023-09-09 Thread John Rinker

That's a beauty Eliot! I just love those Toyo Atlanti. Enjoy the ride!

Cheers, John

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:49:14 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> In my experience when just a few coats of shellac are used it can feel 
> rough.  I always do many coats, 7,8 or more until it feels smooth. 
> The longest to dry is the first coat, after that dry time is quicker as 
> you put on more coats. My shellacked bars are very smooth. 
>
> Good luck, nice looking bike.  
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:41:29 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I'm nearing completion of my Atlantis rebuild and wanted to share it with 
>> you all. I'm tempted to shellac the bar tape to match the chainstay 
>> protector but i've heard that this can give the tape a rough texture ? (i 
>> haven't done this before). I have some metal fenders coming and plan to 
>> add  Riv fender flaps (gray and leather if i can ever find them). I wanted 
>> to have enough clearance for my fenders but when i raised the straddle high 
>> enough I wasn't a fan of the performance with the touring style cantis. I 
>> also wanted a front rack for that beautiful Berthoud bag that i got from a 
>> group member. So implemented a Suntour Power Hanger and am very pleased 
>> with the braking power and aesthetic. I was really nice to get rid of the 
>> headset cable stop as well. I've run one of these in the past and the cable 
>> entered on the other side so i'm wondering if i got some weird 
>> british/motocross style where the front brake is routed from the right. It 
>> works well enough but looks better with the other style. Also, shout out to 
>> Hunter Nugz for easy brake adjustment and VO for their integrated decaleur 
>> (i had difficulty finding one that could handle the relatively short bag 
>> height and high handlebar). 
>>
>> Enjoy! Totally open to any suggestions or recommendations if you would 
>> improve on the build in any way.
>>
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAU4a6
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: BagsXBird/CampAndGoSlow Piccolo Handlebar/Saddlebag

2023-09-09 Thread velomann

PM Sent.

Mike M

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 6:55:38 AM UTC-7 ack...@gmail.com wrote:

> Brand New. Never Mounted. Never Used. As soon as I opened the box, I knew 
> I wanted a larger bag. I already have a Piccolo from BagsXBird, and was 
> thinking this was the much larger Goldback version. Paid $283 with 
> shipping. Trying to recoup some dough so I can buy the XL version from BXB 
> despite the 8-10 week lead time. Beautiful bag, just yet another redundancy!
> https://www.campandgoslow.com/product/bxb-x-campandgoslow-ochre
> $250 shipped CONUS
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread Eric Marth

Hi Leah,  I'm certain a lot of men on this forum and others who ride bikes 
think plenty about clothes that work for bike riding. Grant Petersen, who 
is a man, has had lots of clothing custom made for Rivendell during the 
entire run of the company. Wool layers, custom pants, shorts, hats. If you 
look at pictures Grant is pretty much always dressed 100% in clothing he 
designed himself. 

As much as non-bike clothing is espoused by Grant and Rivendell, when we 
wear clothes that are good for riding we are wearing bicycle-specific 
clothing at the end of the day. I do this as well and get dressed to be 
comfortable on my bike all the time. It's not a nylon jersey and clicky 
shoes but I make sure the stuff I wear is good on the bike. 

Most of my everyday clothes are good for errands. I do like to avoid stuff 
that looks like "bicycle kit", (don't like neon, don't like bright colors, 
don't like lots of logos) and I avoid lycra and nylon when I can. But I 
wear shoes, shorts, undies and shirts that I find comfy while riding. I 
change my clothes a lot. If it's 90º and I'm going on a thirty mile ride 
I'll grab my nylon bibs and a light wool shirt and put on a certain pair of 
socks and shoes. 

I really wish I could wear canvas shorts on summer rides. But I might be 
abnormally sweaty. The shorts just get soaked through with sweat, the 
fabric gets plastered to the leather Brooks beneath me and I can't slide 
around on my saddle. It's a chafing nightmare. Crust just came out with a new 
canvas short 

designed for riding with a 6" inseam. They look awesome! But at $155 I 
don't think I will throw down. I'm sure it's a fair price considering what 
they cost to manufacture, they are made in Los Angeles. On longer rides I 
prefer bibs when it's super hot & humid. This has been a real discovery and 
revelation for me this summer and has made hot rides way more tolerable for 
me. And I love my 100% wool Kucharik shorts that I tore the pad out from. 

Because I run errands on my bike almost every day, often short trips of 
less than two miles, I think about what clothing works well on the bike a 
lot. I run to the bank, my office, job sites,  the grocery, the post 
office, the hardware store. In the summer it's easy. Almost any shorts and 
some sandals. When it's cold pants can become a problem. I hate getting 
grease all over my pants! I also dislike leg bands, too much hassle for me.

One solution that works for me is "slim straight" pants like Stan Ray Easy 
Chinos or LL Bean chinos in a slim or straight fit. They're comfy enough 
for riding and slim enough that grease interference isn't a problem. I've 
retired entire groups of pants that I liked because I couldn't keep them 
away from grease. If I had a regular bicycle commute and had a job with a 
dress code I'd probably regularly wear some slim-straight pants with 2% 
spandex blended in and be sure to keep a few extra tees and button downs 
along with a stack of clean bandanas at the office. 

Here's a grease removal tip that worked for me: Take your greasy pants and 
clean them with Phil hand cleaner and a stiff brush in the sink before 
putting them in the washer. Scrub the Phil in dry, rinse in the sink. Then 
wash em. I get 98% of the grease out of my pants this way. 

I didn't learn about "tight rolling" jeans until I was in college circa 
2004. Never heard it referred to as "pegging." 

I like linen quite a lot but when it's super hot and humid, as it has been 
for much of the summer here in Virginia, I sweat through the linen and it 
just sits on me like a big wet towel. I think 100% merino in different cuts 
like tees, sleeveless tees or singlets are great for hot weather. 

I like wool all year. When it's cooler I like a merino turtleneck, merino 
tights. Sometimes I wear big wool sweaters and get thoroughly overheated. 

As for bicycle style my personal favorite point of reference are classical 
French cyclotourists in short cotton shorts and cotton or wool tops, like 
this picture of Jean Dejeans and Paulette Porthault. Not sure how it looks 
to you but it is timeless to me.  

[image: 43_chanteloup_tandem.jpg]
On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 12:30:16 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:

> I feel like Sally has just given us all an invitation to post our cute 
> bike outfits. 
>
> You know what to do. Fine, me first.
>
> 1. This jumpsuit from LL Bean, which coordinated with my Platypus.
> [image: image1.jpeg]
>
> 2. This New Bike Day photo of my raspberry Platypus in 2020 - see? Those 
> were the boots-in-jeans days and weren’t they practical?
> [image: image2.jpeg]
>
> 3. Summer in ‘23 on a Rivendell Ride; you can wear anything in summer and 
> it works on the bike. Shorts and sun shirt with tank layered underneath.
> [image: image3.jpeg]
>
> 4. Rare sighting of my neglected Clem. Linen shirt . Linen shirts forever!
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPh

Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread George Schick

Bill - "class of '87' ??  I never woulda guessed it.  I always figured you 
were an old fart like me - class of '67, who just a few years before the 
end of the .60's wore super-tapered jeans like the millennials a few 
decades or so ago from now wore..


On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 10:53:12 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "the peg and fold - remember that?! "
>
> I lived that!  I was class of '87.  We all did the peg and fold and had 
> our bangs up high with hairspray like flock of seagulls.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 8:37:28 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Bill, I absolutely employed the 90s tactic of pegging those pants! And 
>> they managed to be bunched up under that Riv band anyway. I did NOT, 
>> however, do the peg and fold - remember that?! 
>>
>> The Aardvark band looks promising, albeit ugly and expensive. I’m 
>> wondering if a stack of regular bands would accomplish the same. We’ll find 
>> out when my Amazon order arrives.
>> L
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Leah
>>
>>
>> Regarding keeping your pants grease free:  Rivendell sells the absolute 
>> best ankle strap for conspicuity. 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/ankle-reflector-rar?_pos=1&_psq=ankle&_ss=e&_v=1.0
>>
>> That legband is lousy for keeping your pants out of the chain.  The far 
>> better ankle band for keeping your pants out of the chain is the Aardvark 
>> Ankle Biters:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/303745533555 Every bike should 
>> have one of these wrapped around the handlebar for easy use.  It also 
>> doubles very well as a parking brake.  
>>
>> Remember how we used to "peg" our jeans or trousers?  That's how you use 
>> an ankle strap.  Take a fold of fabric at your shin, fold it AWAY from the 
>> centerline of the bike and then strap that down with the ankle strap. 
>>  Don't just bunch up your pant leg and let it flare out like a tutu on the 
>> bottom.  That's still going to get into the chain.  Let me know if that's 
>> not clear, and I'll do a photo essay for you.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 7:13:39 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> This might be a thread most of the guys scroll right on past. But where 
>>> are my RivSisters? Are you here for this? Can we talk about fashion on the 
>>> bike?
>>>
>>> The 90s styles have come back this fall, and since the late 90s was my 
>>> era, I am in raptures over here. Cargo pants and wide leg jeans are back, 
>>> and better. High-waisted (instead of low-slung) and in every fabric you 
>>> could dream up. I have thrown myself whole-heartedly onto this band wagon. 
>>> I have a super wide leg denim trouser, a relaxed cargo pant in green, a 
>>> charcoal cargo pant in straight leg, and a black corduroy wide leg trouser. 
>>>
>>> But. Don’t we all know that the absolute zenith for bike style was the 
>>> era of the skinny jean with tall boots? Skinny jeans tucked into tall 
>>> riding boots never got caught in any drivetrains. You never, ever worried 
>>> about getting grease on your pants legs in the skinny jean era. 
>>>
>>> Yesterday I decided to cycle to downtown and meet my husband for lunch. 
>>> I really wanted to wear my new pants but did some hand-wringing over 
>>> getting them dirty. I remembered the reflective ankle strap buried in my 
>>> Saddlesack for such a time as this, slapped it on and rode off. But those 
>>> straps work better in theory than in real life because by the time I got 
>>> home, well…here’s a photo. 
>>>
>>> I thought about this. I don’t want to only dress for the bike. I want to 
>>> have some cultural relevance and not be stuck in outdated clothes (ironic, 
>>> since I’m trying to wear 90s, here) just because they are good for biking. 
>>> My bike gives me freedom, not limits. My husband says, “You’re just going 
>>> to have a grease spot on your pants. Accept it. It’s cute.”
>>>
>>> My other concern is my boots. The spikes on my Spank Oozy pedals will 
>>> mark up the toe of my Red Wing and Frye boots when I use the toe to move 
>>> the pedal to 2:00. I buy shoes that are meant to last, and it does pain me 
>>> that these are getting chewed up. But, I think I’ve decided to accept the 
>>> damage to expensive boots, too. If I don’t, I’ll be stuck in Keens and 
>>> sneakers year-round.
>>>
>>> And then I wondered about all of you. Do you only dress for your bike? 
>>> Do you wear what you want? Do you even care? 
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I did order more ankle straps, figuring more is more. While 
>>> I’m not too distressed about my army green pants getting greasy, I might 
>>> feel differently if the pants were a lighter color. 
>>>
>>> Leah
>>>
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[RBW] Re: First ride report from Western PA

2023-09-09 Thread J

I think only Apple users can view these

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:17:16 PM UTC-4 notlaw...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Greetings from Pittsburgh!
> New Rivendell owner exploring some local trails on a previously enjoyed 
> Rambouillet.
> Still getting the fit dialed in, but I'm really enjoying the bike on a mix 
> of paved/unpaved terrain.
>
> Thought I would share some images from three recent rides.
> Little Boston, Eliza Furnace, and Buffalo Creek
>
> Hopefully I've downsized these enough for easy viewing.
> See you out there,
> Chuck
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Re: [RBW] Re: Style on the bike

2023-09-09 Thread Garth

Well hey, you can make your own pant leg keepers by purchasing some elastic
bungee cord and a cord lock. Any camping/outdoor store sells it by the foot
and cord locks come in a variety of shapes. That way you can get creative
and wrap your leg as high or low as you like by criss-crossing or any other
pattern you come up with ! I've even used good ol' bandanas in a pinch.
With the cord your pants retain their color as all you see is the little
black cord wrapped around your leg. Some places may have have colored cord.
A sewing supplier might also.

I noticed in the photo Leah posted of her ankle with grease stain the cuff
appears , how do I say . all flared out. I'd suggest when you wrap your
leg, pull your pants taught at the front, then fold the excess fabric
around the outside of your leg so there's no excess fabric hanging out.
Then put on your straps, leaving enough play for the knee to bend freely.

As for what I wear, since I've gone back to deep drop bar road bike setups,
I'm more in to road wear than ever as it's very functional and serves a
very specific purpose. I had already been wearing bib shorts for the last 5
years, but since going lower and lower in drop none of my previous clothing
works, there's, there's too much bulk and zippers rubbing on shorts, none
of which is any good !
I do have my own style and have a preference for certain color and combos.
Even riding road clothes, you can dress "nice'. . as it's simply a
mater of self respect. Most sold colors of subtle combos of complimentary
colors, no silly patterns or other weird things some clothes designers come
up with. Mostly it's European styles as I find their sense of function and
style very relatable, unlike American stuff !

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[RBW] Re: Current cork grip gluing BKM?

I've used Permatex.  I think I got them off but can't remember how.


On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 3:07:57 PM UTC-4 Doug Van Cleve wrote:

> Howdy folks.
>
> I just did a search on this and found a (largely inconclusive) thread from 
> 2020.  RBW currently shows something like Amazing Goop/Shoe Goo being 
> liberally smeared on the bar before sliding on the grip, which of course 
> results in a bunch of that toxic goo pushing out from under the grip and a 
> grip that is completely fused to the bar.  I have read a couple folks 
> suggesting that they managed to secure the grips well (enough) but still 
> remove without destroying, which sounds pretty good.  Is there a current 
> "best" way/product for doing this?
>
> Thanks, Doug
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[RBW] Re: ISO Dynamo Lights

I have a set that I haven't installed on a loaner bike.  B&M Luxos in box 
from the group.  Rear is a used Brakelight Plus that the lense broke off.  
It works and has been superglued back on and I keep a rubber band on it to 
make sure it doesn't come apart.  Let me know if you're interested and I 
can take pictures.

On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 4:18:35 PM UTC-4 ryan.o...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Hi all, Anyone interested in selling a front and/or rear dynamo light? 
> Looking to add some lighting to my recently built Suz. 
>
> I don't mind if the wiring is a bit of mess. I can clean that up. Just 
> looking for working lamps. 
>
> Thanks!
> Ryan
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[RBW] Re: Stuck shifter cable head

Next time, I will grind it down but now it's already stuck in there again.  
This is the only one I've ever had this issue with.  The cable head usually 
slides right in/out.  

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 6:51:20 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> If you need to force the cable IN, then it will absolutely be a bear to 
> get back out.  That's a guarantee.  If it were me and I felt I had to force 
> a cable into a Silver shifter, I'd get another cable.  If I was determined 
> to use that cable, for whatever reason, I'd give it a quick kiss on the 
> grinding wheel until it installs easily.  
>
> I've got probably 8 different sets of Silver shifters in my stable, and my 
> shop-box of shift cables is the generic Jagwire Sport, and they always 
> slide right in. Don't force it! 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 5, 2023 at 1:12:35 PM UTC-7 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Took it to REI after trying the pick.  Guy had to hammer it out w/a small 
>> awl.  Then when I tried to install a new cable - the head wouldn't go down 
>> until I had tension on the cable then the old cable housing gave up at a 
>> weak point and bent.  Now I'll need new housing in addition to the shifter 
>> and cable.  And now twine and shellac.  And this is the simplest shifter.  
>> I can't imagine the more complicated ones or internal cable routing, etc.  
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 6:26:16 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> I've stuck cable ends in the past, hate it, the worst problem I think. 
>>> Started putting grease on cable ends and a little dab in the shifter hole. 
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA 
>>> On Monday, September 4, 2023 at 7:04:37 AM UTC-7 rus...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 What about cutting the cable off flush and drilling down with a fine 
 drill bit partway into the cable head and tapping it with a hammer, or 
 perhaps using a very fine nail as a tap, holding it with pliers and 
 striking the nail with a hammer. Have you tried soaking it in boiling 
 water?

 Russell Duncan
 Saratoga WY
 On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 7:17:27 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Tried the awl, then a small drill bit from behind then the guy at REI 
> put it in a vise and used a hammer and small punch to get it out.  This 
> is 
> a silver shifter that is ever so slightly smaller hole for the cable 
> head.  
> Thanks all for your help!
>
> p.s.  Now I have yet another front shifter w/another broken power 
> ratchet. UGH!  Maybe I can make one good one from the 3 broken ones but 
> how 
> to keep it all together?  The plate w/the pressfit looking rivet - how do 
> I 
> do that?
>
> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:37:05 PM UTC-4 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I had this very problem, and the cable head eventually freed with 
>> persistent prodding with an awl. A search on the Triathlon forum showed 
>> others had the same issue and soaking the cable in lube/oil/WD40 
>> overnight 
>> seems a good idea.
>>
>>
>> https://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Wrench_help!__Cable_stuck_in_bar_end_shifter_P3348164/
>>
>> IanA
>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 7:17:34 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pushing it w/pliers and it is stuck.  Not moving at all.  I put 
>>> it in the freezer hoping it'll come out tomorrow.  Any other ideas?  I 
>>> need 
>>> to use this shifter lever and this cable is too short.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:04 PM UTC-4 Michael Connors 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Try leaving a 1-2 inch tail and using a pliers to twist it and push 
 it out




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Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Update

2023-09-09 Thread Eliot Balogh

I’m going to take the plunge and shellac the bars too. I really like the
color of the chainstay protector.

Also digging the bronze accents (Thanks Erik) The bronze rims work better
than I expected.

On Sat, Sep 9, 2023 at 2:54 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> That's a beauty Eliot! I just love those Toyo Atlanti. Enjoy the ride!
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:49:14 PM UTC-7 jrst...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>>
>> In my experience when just a few coats of shellac are used it can feel
>> rough.  I always do many coats, 7,8 or more until it feels smooth.
>> The longest to dry is the first coat, after that dry time is quicker as
>> you put on more coats. My shellacked bars are very smooth.
>>
>> Good luck, nice looking bike.
>> On Saturday, September 9, 2023 at 2:41:29 PM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I'm nearing completion of my Atlantis rebuild and wanted to share it
>>> with you all. I'm tempted to shellac the bar tape to match the chainstay
>>> protector but i've heard that this can give the tape a rough texture ? (i
>>> haven't done this before). I have some metal fenders coming and plan to
>>> add  Riv fender flaps (gray and leather if i can ever find them). I wanted
>>> to have enough clearance for my fenders but when i raised the straddle high
>>> enough I wasn't a fan of the performance with the touring style cantis. I
>>> also wanted a front rack for that beautiful Berthoud bag that i got from a
>>> group member. So implemented a Suntour Power Hanger and am very pleased
>>> with the braking power and aesthetic. I was really nice to get rid of the
>>> headset cable stop as well. I've run one of these in the past and the cable
>>> entered on the other side so i'm wondering if i got some weird
>>> british/motocross style where the front brake is routed from the right. It
>>> works well enough but looks better with the other style. Also, shout out to
>>> Hunter Nugz for easy brake adjustment and VO for their integrated decaleur
>>> (i had difficulty finding one that could handle the relatively short bag
>>> height and high handlebar).
>>>
>>> Enjoy! Totally open to any suggestions or recommendations if you would
>>> improve on the build in any way.
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAU4a6
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Broken shifters

Please take pictures next time.  Of the before, during and after and how 
you get the press fit plate back on.  

Next, I'm trying to think of a padded sleeve to slip on the grip over the 
bar end when I put it on the train.  I'm hoping to cushion the blow and 
absorb the impact w/some foam like pipe insulation inside some pvc or 
cardboard tube to cover the bar end and the grip.  On the bright side, my 
XTR rapid rise rear derailer isn't getting broken.

On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:14:09 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> My drive-side Silver 1 shifter quit holding tension last week. This was 
> after two years of regular use on my most-ridden bike, a Sam Hillborne. I 
> swapped the shifter for a Silver 2 and kept on riding. 
>
> Last night, inspired by this thread, I took my shifter apart. Apologies 
> ahead of time but I didn't take any pictures. The pawl and spring were 
> clogged up with cloudy white corrosion. The corrosion caused the spring to 
> seize and that lead to no movement in the pawl, disabling the ratchet. I 
> removed all the parts, brushed them with a brass parts cleaning brush and 
> rubbed the spring, pawl and inner parts with an oily rag. I haven't 
> re-installed the lever but the clicks have returned and it appears to be 
> working again. 
>
> Today I measured the spring with my calipers and ordered some replacement 
> springs in two different sizes. I had a hard time finding a perfect match 
> for the existing spring which appears to match imperial measurements. OD: 
> 1/8", overall length: 5/16". The wire gauge is 0.3mm. The springs I ordered 
> are very close to my shifter spring, one size is a little shorter, the 
> other is a little longer. I'll report back on which fits best. 
>
> I'm encouraged by my disassembly and feel confident these shifters are 
> repairable. Though I'm unaware of a source for replacement pawls. Are they 
> out there? 
>
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:19:49 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_3819.JPG]
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:05:37 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I took one apart.  It's missing the little spring.  Not sure where I can 
>>> find one.  If anyone has one, I'd like to try to fix this one.  The other 
>>> one I can't get apart to look at the innards but I think it was missing a 
>>> washer so maybe that was the problem.  I think maybe it needed more 
>>> friction to hold it together maybe?  I've already replaced it so I'll try 
>>> it next time.  
>>> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 7:37:06 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
 I just want to fix them if possible.  I hate throwing stuff away.  
 These are definitely not set up errors as they were operable then after 
 several falls over the years they broke.  They would work for years then 
 break.  I can replace them and have but now I have several broken ones.  I 
 will take one apart and see what it looks like.  I didn't want to do more 
 damage than already.  I will find someone to help me.  Thanks all!
 On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 4:20:54 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The OP has repeated that they are not mechanical.  The thing that 
> isn't clear to me is whether the OP wants to be mechanical.  If you have 
> a 
> bunch of broken shifters, and want to learn how mechanical people 
> visualize 
> a mechanism working and how they use that knowledge to diagnose and 
> remedy 
> failures, then it sounds like the OP needs a mechanical mentor.  You 
> should 
> find somebody who you trust and who is generous with their time and want 
> to 
> describe their process to you.  Have them take one apart with you 
> watching.  Have them explain what they are seeing and what they think 
> they 
> want to do to fix your shifter(s), or tell you they are all hosed and 
> throw 
> them away.  It's hard to be a mentor over a google group.  Mentorship 
> happens in-person.  
>
> If you can't find or don't want to find a mentor, maybe you want 
> somebody to just try to fix them for you so you don't have to think about 
> it?  Again, that person should be somebody you trust, so if they say 
> "these 
> are hosed" you won't feel like it's a waste throwing them out.  Again, it 
> would be nice if it was somebody who was either generous or owed you a 
> favor so that if they succeed, it's free, and if they fail, it's still 
> free.  People who work on things for a living are usually $50/hr to 
> $100/hr 
> pros and there's no way this project will be worth paying a pro what they 
> deserve to be paid.  Maybe there's a volunteer here who you'd mail your 
> shifters to, and they can mail them back fixed.  
>
> I don't know this for certain, but I think there's a non-zero chance 
> that they are not even broken.  The symptom described could be just a 
> setup 
> issue, as I understand it.  The mechanic

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis Update