date:20230424

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2023-04-24 Thread D D

Jason,Thanks for the update. Looks like a joy to ride. What is that black, rectangular contraption attached to the bottom of your seat tube?  DustinOn Apr 23, 2023, at 11:12 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold mine around the time of the last post, but recently bought it back from the friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it similarly to before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 saddle, triple crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the same bars plugged back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly ideal for my everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first place - now the Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be reconfigured to focus on adventure and bikepacking. I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's still on the books?? On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote:Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the the minimum insertion line Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so maybe that will work better for me.MaxOn Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and will again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in the mail too which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar ends are pretty cozy so I'll try them both.  On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:Yes, changed stems:Soma Portola with 6cm extension TechnomicNitto Labarross with 10cm extension TechnomicBoth were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy of min insertion line. I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 saddle almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach to pull on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least 11cm of stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry about knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this low. And I wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam reason. My next move is to try swapping the Nexus rd for an XT rapid rise rd with a 13t lower pulley wheel (replacing the 11t original). The Nexus doesn’t take kindly to heavy pedaling pressure uphill in a low gear, it starts to skip. This is probably because I’ve got it way past the max gear size and chain wrap capacities (46/30t crankset, 11-40t cassette). If I was less heavy I suspect it wouldn’t be a problem, but I’m hoping the wider wrap/capacity of the XT rd will eliminate this issue. In the “hoods” (pulling on the inner bar ends) the Charlie is a rocket that pulls my weight off the seat to pedal harder and faster like in the drops or hoods. On the hand grips I’m in “sit up and beg” mode - very tall to see well in traffic and nice for standing up as I pedal uphills, but relaxed enough to putter around town for as long as I could want. The long arm (e.g., normal) v-brakes are just perfect and so strong I can’t imagine ever wishing for disc brakes. What a fun and versatile bike! These should sell out every time, it’s the best Riv I’ve been on (which includes: Cheviot, Sam Hillborne, Saluki, Homer, Gus, Suzie, Rosco Baby). Fast like Homer, strong and versatile like Sam, better braking than any other, swoopy goodness. AbeOn Nov 16, 2022, at 1:51 PM, maxcr  wrote:Abe, I forgot to ask, did you change the stem length going from the Soma Portola to the Albatross?MaxOn Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:I also recently installed Albatross bars (not upside down) on my Charlie, but I think I need to tweak them. I haven't installed my grips yet, but after a quick 20m ride my hands/wrists made it clear that the angle wasn't working.Here is a photo of the process, I'll post the new setup once I have the grips finalized.I do like the Paul levers / Paul v-brake combo, brakes feel better than the cane creek ones I had on the noodles.Abe, would you mind posting a side photo of your CHG?Max, always tinkering in BostonOn Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:01:32 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:
Excellent...thanks for the report, Abe!





On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:57:58 PM MST, Abe Gardner  wrote:



Schwable G-One Allround 700x50. Fits nicely, great for gravel and chunky pavement; very good on smooth pavement. Slight noise on pavement but only compared to Snoqualmie Pass (700x44mm) tire smoothness. I’d love to try Hatcher Pass (

[RBW] Re: Tosco sought

2023-04-24 Thread J Schwartz

FYI 
saw this on eBay, no relation to seller
31.8 though
https://www.ebay.com/itm/155504597735?hash=item2434cbdae7:g:FOgAAOSwFfFkOVvp&amdata=enc%3AAQAI4FUNdqfXh9ITe91ffrr5ECfoQdu5iDr%2B15UaqCp%2Bldzeq1Sq5UOwbeL3KNuH2UYkqb%2BSdEkee6RZWO%2FDr5YN9HEJzrhp214ovDSZ2Mn8RBZX6BHU4oT7J7hfpwsRVMWlewhnjBCUr3fEhVtP8XPw4F%2FVLYiIAiRI2hblJTujN3zv0Wf7L%2BDhmv4akTmUlK3DmeRzUOo1GBPAGs3Pa0Vq8sXmlCusgwj2hzC%2FFTdVFxVG7TjEA0nWFrzs73Q0TVTuha5a%2BHURZSs5p%2Bvf37YdYK%2FmiKYoPZcpUGswT1b9sIQV%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9LH9LL2YQ

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:56:43 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> I posted this a while back, no luck, and someone else posted today so they 
> get first dibs on the fresh post but I am still looking for a Tosco bar.
> I’m located in Sacramento and my first choice is the 60cm (25.4).
> Please reply off list if you have one for sale (and the other person said 
> no) with the shipped price. 
>
> Thanks, Liz in Sacramento 

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2023-04-24 Thread Johnny Alien

I'm still loving mine. The only change I made since my last update was 
moving to slighly wider losco bars. At some point I am going to throw on 
some paul minimoto brakes but there is no real reason other than having 
some Paul parts. It should still be coming from Rivendell but I am not as 
fond of the updates they made so I am glad to have the proto version.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 7:49:49 AM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:

> Jason,
>
> Thanks for the update. Looks like a joy to ride. 
>
> What is that black, rectangular contraption attached to the bottom of your 
> seat tube?  
>
> Dustin
>
> On Apr 23, 2023, at 11:12 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold mine 
> around the time of the last post, but recently bought it back from the 
> friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it similarly to 
> before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 saddle, triple 
> crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the same bars plugged 
> back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly ideal for my 
> everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first place - now the 
> Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be reconfigured 
> to focus on adventure and bikepacking. 
>
>
>
> I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's still on 
> the books?? 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm extension 
>> (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the the minimum 
>> insertion line 
>>
>> Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so maybe 
>> that will work better for me.
>>
>> Max
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_2063.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_2076.jpg]
>>> FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and will 
>>> again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in the mail too 
>>> which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar ends are 
>>> pretty cozy so I'll try them both.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>>>
 Yes, changed stems:
 Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic
 Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic

 Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the 
 minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy of 
 min 
 insertion line. 

 I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 saddle 
 almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. 

 The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my 
 Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach to pull 
 on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least 11cm of 
 stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry about 
 knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this low. And 
 I 
 wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam reason. 

 My next move is to try swapping the Nexus rd for an XT rapid rise rd 
 with a 13t lower pulley wheel (replacing the 11t original). The Nexus 
 doesn’t take kindly to heavy pedaling pressure uphill in a low gear, it 
 starts to skip. This is probably because I’ve got it way past the max gear 
 size and chain wrap capacities (46/30t crankset, 11-40t cassette). If I 
 was 
 less heavy I suspect it wouldn’t be a problem, but I’m hoping the wider 
 wrap/capacity of the XT rd will eliminate this issue. 

 In the “hoods” (pulling on the inner bar ends) the Charlie is a rocket 
 that pulls my weight off the seat to pedal harder and faster like in the 
 drops or hoods. On the hand grips I’m in “sit up and beg” mode - very tall 
 to see well in traffic and nice for standing up as I pedal uphills, but 
 relaxed enough to putter around town for as long as I could want. The long 
 arm (e.g., normal) v-brakes are just perfect and so strong I can’t imagine 
 ever wishing for disc brakes. What a fun and versatile bike! These should 
 sell out every time, it’s the best Riv I’ve been on (which includes: 
 Cheviot, Sam Hillborne, Saluki, Homer, Gus, Suzie, Rosco Baby). Fast like 
 Homer, strong and versatile like Sam, better braking than any other, 
 swoopy 
 goodness. 

 Abe

 On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:51 PM, maxcr  wrote:

 Abe, I forgot to ask, did you change the stem length going from 
 the Soma Portola to the Albatross?

 Max

 On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> I also recently installed Albatross bars (not upside down) on my 
> Charlie, but I think I need to tweak them. I haven't installed my grips 
>>

[RBW] Re: Tosco sought

2023-04-24 Thread Johnny Alien

Its always worth a shot to call Rivendell. They often hold back parts to 
have for builds and have an extra to sell you. It has worked out for me 
more than once.

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:56:43 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:

> I posted this a while back, no luck, and someone else posted today so they 
> get first dibs on the fresh post but I am still looking for a Tosco bar.
> I’m located in Sacramento and my first choice is the 60cm (25.4).
> Please reply off list if you have one for sale (and the other person said 
> no) with the shipped price. 
>
> Thanks, Liz in Sacramento 

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[RBW] Re: Sharing your winter ride photos northern hemisphere Spring 2023

2023-04-24 Thread Stephanie A.

All of those colors are breathtaking, Takashi!

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:05:22 PM UTC-4 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Clem L at the car show.
>
> [image: 52838689985_4a265f7dc3_k.jpg]
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 2:40:54 PM UTC-7 rya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: 325E75D8-5001-4BF8-9271-4557A8990C76.jpeg]
>> Picture of my Sam from a fun,  challenging, and very muddy ride I did 
>> last week outside of Boulder, Colorado!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 9:52:54 AM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Untitled.png]
>>> Had a nice ride around Richmond this weekend, multi-surface loop. Ran 
>>> into the Crust crew at a cafe and joined Matt and Cheech for some snacks. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 9:22:19 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_1700.jpeg][image: IMG_1713.jpeg][image: IMG_1706.jpeg]Ok, 
 that’s it, I’m moving to Japan where I will find Takashi and beg him to 
 take me to all these trees. I don’t have any photos that could match his 
 for beauty, but what I have, I give you…

 On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 9:59:33 AM UTC-4 Takashi wrote:

> Dave and Eric, thank you, I'm glad that you liked the photos.
>
> We had heavy rainfall yesterday, and cherry blossoms have mostly 
> fallen. I can still enjoy peach blossoms.
> [image: DSC02992.jpg]
>
> I think I posted a similar photo last year, but anyway...
> [image: DSC03002.jpg]
>
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Book Recommendation: The United States of Adventure

2023-04-24 Thread Doug H.

I just put it on my list of to-read books. In fact, I just re-read The 
Enlightened Cyclist by Bike Snob this weekend for some bicycle content. 
Thanks Leah!!
Doug
On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 1:10:42 PM UTC-4 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> Thanks, Leah! I've not read this one, but will do, and recommend her *Llama 
> Drama *as well.
>
> Tom
>
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 1:02:19 PM UTC-4 JAS wrote:
>
>> Thank you for this recommendation, Leah!  After reading the short glimpse 
>> of the book on Amazon, Ann McNuff looks to be a very talented and 
>> entertaining writer.  It's also nice to find a travel "adventure" book 
>> written with a woman's perspective.  I'm ordering it!
>>
>> RivSisters!
>> Joyce
>>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 8:06:34 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been sad about our temperamental weather here in southwest 
>>> Michigan. After a perfectly sublime week of 70-something temps that set off 
>>> our tulips and daffodils and flowering trees, we are back to drizzly 
>>> weather topping out in the 40s. I’m freezing over here. I have an Apple 
>>> Watch tan line but am back to wearing a parka. Make it make sense. 
>>>
>>> Anyway, if you can’t have your real adventures I suppose you can read 
>>> about someone else’s. I stumbled across The United States of Adventure by 
>>> Anna McNuff and have been reading as Anna, a British woman in the corporate 
>>> world in her 20s, cycles her way through all 50 states. I will never cycle 
>>> through all 50 states, but it is fun to peer into the life of someone who 
>>> did.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/United-States-Adventure-life-changing-journey/dp/1914074033
>>>
>>> Enjoy.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts

2023-04-24 Thread lconley

I have 11 Rivendells. 7 of them are some shade of blue (5 are similar 
metallic blues, but the Betty Foy and Mystery Bike are very different 
non-metallic blues), two are non-metallic greens (Bombadil is Hunqapillar 
green, Rosco Bubbe is matte flanker green), a black Clementine and the 
orange metallic Custom.
I like the golds. Don't like the silvers. Not a fan of mustard.
I love the grey & kidney bean, cream pin striped combination.
Orange is always a good choice.
I would like to see more reds and purples and I would love a yellow - my 
fifty year old Paramount came in Kool Lemon, but Grant discouraged yellow 
on my custom due to it being hard to get a yellow that would go with the 
cream headtube.
Not too wild about the Hunqapillar green, but I kind of like the matte 
flanker green.
I would like to see a metallic root beer or a metallic copper.

Laing

On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 4:39:48 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello friends — I've noticed that over the past few years Rivendell have 
> been using some of the same paint colors on many frames through several 
> production runs. If there's been a discussion of this practice, I've missed 
> it. 
>
> I can't quite put my finger on it but something about the same paint 
> appearing on frames over and over leaves me scratching my head. Perhaps 
> there's a missed opportunity to pin a color to a model or to cycle in new 
> colors with new batches of frames? 
>
> What do other members think? Do you appreciate the same colors appearing 
> on different frames? Do you wish there was a wider variety of colors? Does 
> it matter at all? 
>
> Some of these colors I like quite a lot, others I appreciate. There isn't 
> one that I dislike. The Lime Olive is always striking when it appears on a 
> new frame, love it on the Hillbornes and Clems. 
>
> The harvest gold, wow, looks killer on those Susies. Blew my mind on the 
> Homers because they've always been a blue bike. 
>
> I do miss the mustard from the older Appaloosas and the dark bronze that 
> appeared on some Clems. These two colors paired with some of the newer 
> colors currently in use demonstrate, I think, that Riv has some of the best 
> paint colors in the biz. Really lovely stuff. 
>
> Here's a far-from-complete list more or less off the top of my head of 
> where current production colors have appeared:
>
> *Lime-olive*
> Platypus
> Susie
> Hillborne
> Clem
>
> *Mermaid*
> Appaloosa 
> Platypus
> Roadini
> Gus
>
> *Harvest/Dark Gold*
> Hillborne
> Homer
> Susie 
>
> *Ana Purple*
> Rosco Plat
> Appaloosa (next batch in 2023?)
> Road Uno or Gallop? (I can't remember but thought the purple was slated 
> for one of these frames) 
>
> *RBW Orange*
> Appaloosa
> Roadini
> Gus
>
> *RBW Blue*
> Too many to list?
> Appaloosa
> Clem
> Hillborne
>
>

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Thanks! I ended up ordering one from Riv when they came in stockOn Apr 24, 2023, at 05:14, J Schwartz wrote:FYI saw this on eBay, no relation to seller31.8 thoughhttps://www.ebay.com/itm/155504597735?hash=item2434cbdae7:g:FOgAAOSwFfFkOVvp&amdata=enc%3AAQAI4FUNdqfXh9ITe91ffrr5ECfoQdu5iDr%2B15UaqCp%2Bldzeq1Sq5UOwbeL3KNuH2UYkqb%2BSdEkee6RZWO%2FDr5YN9HEJzrhp214ovDSZ2Mn8RBZX6BHU4oT7J7hfpwsRVMWlewhnjBCUr3fEhVtP8XPw4F%2FVLYiIAiRI2hblJTujN3zv0Wf7L%2BDhmv4akTmUlK3DmeRzUOo1GBPAGs3Pa0Vq8sXmlCusgwj2hzC%2FFTdVFxVG7TjEA0nWFrzs73Q0TVTuha5a%2BHURZSs5p%2Bvf37YdYK%2FmiKYoPZcpUGswT1b9sIQV%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9LH9LL2YQOn Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:56:43 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote:I posted this a while back, no luck, and someone else posted today so they get first dibs on the fresh post but I am still looking for a Tosco bar.
I’m located in Sacramento and my first choice is the 60cm (25.4).
Please reply off list if you have one for sale (and the other person said no) with the shipped price.

Thanks, Liz in Sacramento

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Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

2023-04-24 Thread Ty

61 cm Toyo built Atlantis Complete
https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/nordland-rivendell-atlantis-61cm/7606421089.html
Great looking Atlantis w/ an XTR group set across the water from Seattle, 
if the frame was smaller I possibly would be posting this bike in a 
different context. Has been on CL for a few weeks now with regular ad 
'bumps' from seller, surprisingly. 

[image: 1]
On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 7:30:21 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Atlantis (2008)
> 61cm
> 2000
> Helena, MT
>
>
> https://helena.craigslist.org/bik/d/helena-rivendell-atlantis/7607170175.html
>
> [image: Atlantis_61cm_Helena.jpg]
>

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[RBW] FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

2023-04-24 Thread JAS

Roadini, 61cm
$2400, Orange!
Seattle, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.html

Romulus, 24"
$850
Bellingham, WA
https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-romulus/7613561566.html

Legolas, 59cm
$3400
Portland, OR area
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.html

Atlantis, 61cm
$2500
Port Townsend, WA
https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/nordland-rivendell-atlantis-61cm/7606421089.html

Appaloosa, 56cm
$2000
Portland, OR
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2023-04-24 Thread DJC

I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie project and 
he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. Hopefully this will 
happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a daily commuter to 
complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy hauler, whereas 
the Charlie would be my "fast" commuter.

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:11:56 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold mine 
> around the time of the last post, but recently bought it back from the 
> friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it similarly to 
> before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 saddle, triple 
> crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the same bars plugged 
> back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly ideal for my 
> everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first place - now the 
> Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be reconfigured 
> to focus on adventure and bikepacking. 
>
> I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's still on 
> the books?? 
>
>
> [image: PXL_20230423_164506068.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm extension 
>> (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the the minimum 
>> insertion line 
>>
>> Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so maybe 
>> that will work better for me.
>>
>> Max
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_2063.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_2076.jpg]
>>> FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and will 
>>> again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in the mail too 
>>> which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar ends are 
>>> pretty cozy so I'll try them both.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>>>
 Yes, changed stems:
 Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic
 Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic

 Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the 
 minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy of 
 min 
 insertion line. 

 I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 saddle 
 almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. 

 The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my 
 Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach to pull 
 on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least 11cm of 
 stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry about 
 knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this low. And 
 I 
 wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam reason. 

 My next move is to try swapping the Nexus rd for an XT rapid rise rd 
 with a 13t lower pulley wheel (replacing the 11t original). The Nexus 
 doesn’t take kindly to heavy pedaling pressure uphill in a low gear, it 
 starts to skip. This is probably because I’ve got it way past the max gear 
 size and chain wrap capacities (46/30t crankset, 11-40t cassette). If I 
 was 
 less heavy I suspect it wouldn’t be a problem, but I’m hoping the wider 
 wrap/capacity of the XT rd will eliminate this issue. 

 In the “hoods” (pulling on the inner bar ends) the Charlie is a rocket 
 that pulls my weight off the seat to pedal harder and faster like in the 
 drops or hoods. On the hand grips I’m in “sit up and beg” mode - very tall 
 to see well in traffic and nice for standing up as I pedal uphills, but 
 relaxed enough to putter around town for as long as I could want. The long 
 arm (e.g., normal) v-brakes are just perfect and so strong I can’t imagine 
 ever wishing for disc brakes. What a fun and versatile bike! These should 
 sell out every time, it’s the best Riv I’ve been on (which includes: 
 Cheviot, Sam Hillborne, Saluki, Homer, Gus, Suzie, Rosco Baby). Fast like 
 Homer, strong and versatile like Sam, better braking than any other, 
 swoopy 
 goodness. 

 Abe

 On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:51 PM, maxcr  wrote:

 Abe, I forgot to ask, did you change the stem length going from 
 the Soma Portola to the Albatross?

 Max

 On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote:

> I also recently installed Albatross bars (not upside down) on my 
> Charlie, but I think I need to tweak them. I haven't installed my grips 
> yet, but after a quick 20m ride my hands/wrists made it clear that the 
> angle wasn't working.
>
> Here is a photo of the process, I'll post the new setup once I have 
> the grips finalized.
>
>>

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2023-04-24 Thread Eric Marth

Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your other bikes. 
It's cool to have your rigs squared and sorted for particular purposes. 

Dustin — I'm not 100% but I think that might be a seat-tube mounted folding 
lock that has a cage that mounts to the bottle bosses. 

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:13:33 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote:

> I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie project and 
> he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. Hopefully this will 
> happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a daily commuter to 
> complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy hauler, whereas 
> the Charlie would be my "fast" commuter.
>
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:11:56 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold mine 
>> around the time of the last post, but recently bought it back from the 
>> friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it similarly to 
>> before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 saddle, triple 
>> crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the same bars plugged 
>> back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly ideal for my 
>> everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first place - now the 
>> Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be reconfigured 
>> to focus on adventure and bikepacking. 
>>
>> I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's still on 
>> the books?? 
>>
>>
>> [image: PXL_20230423_164506068.jpg]
>>
>> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm 
>>> extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the 
>>> the minimum insertion line 
>>>
>>> Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so maybe 
>>> that will work better for me.
>>>
>>> Max
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_2063.jpg]
 [image: IMG_2064.jpg]
 [image: IMG_2076.jpg]
 FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and will 
 again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in the mail too 
 which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar ends are 
 pretty cozy so I'll try them both.  

 On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:

> Yes, changed stems:
> Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic
> Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic
>
> Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the 
> minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy of 
> min 
> insertion line. 
>
> I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 saddle 
> almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. 
>
> The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my 
> Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach to 
> pull 
> on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least 11cm 
> of 
> stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry about 
> knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this low. And 
> I 
> wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam reason. 
>
> My next move is to try swapping the Nexus rd for an XT rapid rise rd 
> with a 13t lower pulley wheel (replacing the 11t original). The Nexus 
> doesn’t take kindly to heavy pedaling pressure uphill in a low gear, it 
> starts to skip. This is probably because I’ve got it way past the max 
> gear 
> size and chain wrap capacities (46/30t crankset, 11-40t cassette). If I 
> was 
> less heavy I suspect it wouldn’t be a problem, but I’m hoping the wider 
> wrap/capacity of the XT rd will eliminate this issue. 
>
> In the “hoods” (pulling on the inner bar ends) the Charlie is a rocket 
> that pulls my weight off the seat to pedal harder and faster like in the 
> drops or hoods. On the hand grips I’m in “sit up and beg” mode - very 
> tall 
> to see well in traffic and nice for standing up as I pedal uphills, but 
> relaxed enough to putter around town for as long as I could want. The 
> long 
> arm (e.g., normal) v-brakes are just perfect and so strong I can’t 
> imagine 
> ever wishing for disc brakes. What a fun and versatile bike! These should 
> sell out every time, it’s the best Riv I’ve been on (which includes: 
> Cheviot, Sam Hillborne, Saluki, Homer, Gus, Suzie, Rosco Baby). Fast like 
> Homer, strong and versatile like Sam, better braking than any other, 
> swoopy 
> goodness. 
>
> Abe
>
> On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:51 PM, maxcr  wrote:
>
> Abe, I forgot to ask, did you change the stem length going from 
> the Soma Portola to th

[RBW] Re: New Sim Works Taco Pedals: Looks appealing

2023-04-24 Thread Eric Marth

More info here: https://sim-works.com/en/news/simworks-new-stuff-2023

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:30:41 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Sim Works have a new pedal coming out. It's called the Taco. Looks like a 
> Sylvan Gordito pedal with more grip. 
>
> Seems like the kind of pedal many of us here would enjoy. 
>
> [image: taco2.png]
>
> [image: taco.png]
>

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Re: [RBW] Los Angeles Riv Ride

2023-04-24 Thread Brian Cunningham

Hi Houston -

If my schedule allows, I’m in, likely on my Sam Hillborne. Could probably
coax an Atlantis-owner friend to join, too. He’s in Glassell Park; I’m in
Glendale.

Paging Joe Mullins, who is also on this list and local, but is a new dad
and not sure how much free time he’s got.

Ben Adrian of Echo Park had organized a min Riv-heavy ride in NELA/DTLA a
few months back. He has since unloaded his one Riv but built up a Rivish
Soma that I’ve yet to see. And perhaps he would join, too.

Thanks for proposing this!

Brian Cunningham
Glendale, CA

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:47:51 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

I’d love to do this.
I’m in.

Keith from Mar Vista

On Apr 23, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Houston Wilson wrote:

Hi socal Riv riders,

I've been lurking in the RBW Owners Bunch for a little while and I'm
inspired by all of the regional rides being organized. Would anyone be
interested in doing a LA Riv ride/meetup at some point in May? I'd love to
ride with y'all, make some new friends, and ogle at your bikes!

Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to do
the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a
Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with
a cafe stop or two thrown in.

I'd love to hear from you, let me know your thoughts!

-Houston from Venice

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Roadini with great build

2023-04-24 Thread James

Bump: $2,000 face to face sale in 28806.  Willing to ship at owners expense

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 12:21:37 PM UTC-4 James wrote:

> Bump.  $2,150 and will ship at buyers expense
> On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 9:57:53 AM UTC-4 James wrote:
>
>> Bump on this.  Lots of interest but no follow-through
>>
>> On Saturday, April 1, 2023 at 9:27:04 PM UTC-4 James wrote:
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts

2023-04-24 Thread Miles T

I’m a sucker for metallic colors… it’s like you get 2 for 1. A metallic 
colored bike looks totally different in overcast weather vs a sunny day. 
But the solid colors are great too. That dark green on the Clem “H” models 
a while back is one of my favorite colors on any riv. At this point, they 
have a wide selection of colors and I like seeing them pop up on different 
models over time.

I love that scheme on your custom, Joe. Especially that cream outline on 
the red accents. 

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I'll throw down for the gloss non-metallics here cuz it's what I chose for 
> my custom. I like it!* 
>
> *I like metallics, too. I'm easy 😬
>
> [image: Screenshot_20230423_083601.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 7:48:02 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Crust Bombora owner here, so I have no reservations whatsoever about pink 
>> / lilac / weird colored bikes. The more the better!
>> Personally, I agree with Leah in that I find the Rivendell colors look 
>> best when they're sparklin'. The only non-metallic Riv color I've ever been 
>> attracted to is that mustard color of the Clem / Appaloosa. I'd like to see 
>> them move away from the non-metallic oranges and blues... and I'd love to 
>> see more of the weird gold, mustard-y tones and maybe more variations on 
>> silver.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 9:14:07 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I would buy a pink step through if they came out with one.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 9:22:00 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I am fortunate to own a Rambouillet in the first paint edition - the 
 sparkling metallic orange.  I've had many complements on it not just from 
 other cyclists, but also from random on-lookers, as well.  Some of these 
 have even said that they'd love to see a vintage vehicle of their choice 
 repainted with the Nova Orange base coat and the Spanish Gold clear coat.  
 It's hard to beat.
 On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 3:39:48 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello friends — I've noticed that over the past few years Rivendell 
> have been using some of the same paint colors on many frames through 
> several production runs. If there's been a discussion of this practice, 
> I've missed it. 
>
> I can't quite put my finger on it but something about the same paint 
> appearing on frames over and over leaves me scratching my head. Perhaps 
> there's a missed opportunity to pin a color to a model or to cycle in new 
> colors with new batches of frames? 
>
> What do other members think? Do you appreciate the same colors 
> appearing on different frames? Do you wish there was a wider variety of 
> colors? Does it matter at all? 
>
> Some of these colors I like quite a lot, others I appreciate. There 
> isn't one that I dislike. The Lime Olive is always striking when it 
> appears 
> on a new frame, love it on the Hillbornes and Clems. 
>
> The harvest gold, wow, looks killer on those Susies. Blew my mind on 
> the Homers because they've always been a blue bike. 
>
> I do miss the mustard from the older Appaloosas and the dark bronze 
> that appeared on some Clems. These two colors paired with some of the 
> newer 
> colors currently in use demonstrate, I think, that Riv has some of the 
> best 
> paint colors in the biz. Really lovely stuff. 
>
> Here's a far-from-complete list more or less off the top of my head of 
> where current production colors have appeared:
>
> *Lime-olive*
> Platypus
> Susie
> Hillborne
> Clem
>
> *Mermaid*
> Appaloosa 
> Platypus
> Roadini
> Gus
>
> *Harvest/Dark Gold*
> Hillborne
> Homer
> Susie 
>
> *Ana Purple*
> Rosco Plat
> Appaloosa (next batch in 2023?)
> Road Uno or Gallop? (I can't remember but thought the purple was 
> slated for one of these frames) 
>
> *RBW Orange*
> Appaloosa
> Roadini
> Gus
>
> *RBW Blue*
> Too many to list?
> Appaloosa
> Clem
> Hillborne
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2023-04-24 Thread Jason Fuller

Thanks Dustin, Eric - indeed it's an Abus Bordo lock.  A little heavier 
than a similar strength U-lock but it's handy having it on the frame where 
I can't forget it.  I'm glad to hear the production run is secured it 
sounds like, I suppose the quietness is just because they're in the waiting 
phase now. 

On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 08:28:07 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your other bikes. 
> It's cool to have your rigs squared and sorted for particular purposes. 
>
> Dustin — I'm not 100% but I think that might be a seat-tube mounted 
> folding lock that has a cage that mounts to the bottle bosses. 
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:13:33 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote:
>
>> I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie project and 
>> he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. Hopefully this will 
>> happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a daily commuter to 
>> complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy hauler, whereas 
>> the Charlie would be my "fast" commuter.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:11:56 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold mine 
>>> around the time of the last post, but recently bought it back from the 
>>> friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it similarly to 
>>> before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 saddle, triple 
>>> crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the same bars plugged 
>>> back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly ideal for my 
>>> everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first place - now the 
>>> Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be reconfigured 
>>> to focus on adventure and bikepacking. 
>>>
>>> I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's still on 
>>> the books?? 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20230423_164506068.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm 
 extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the 
 the minimum insertion line 

 Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so 
 maybe that will work better for me.

 Max
 On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:

> [image: IMG_2063.jpg]
> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]
> [image: IMG_2076.jpg]
> FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and will 
> again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in the mail too 
> which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar ends are 
> pretty cozy so I'll try them both.  
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>
>> Yes, changed stems:
>> Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic
>> Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic
>>
>> Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the 
>> minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy of 
>> min 
>> insertion line. 
>>
>> I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 saddle 
>> almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. 
>>
>> The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my 
>> Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach to 
>> pull 
>> on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least 11cm 
>> of 
>> stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry about 
>> knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this low. 
>> And I 
>> wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam reason. 
>>
>> My next move is to try swapping the Nexus rd for an XT rapid rise rd 
>> with a 13t lower pulley wheel (replacing the 11t original). The Nexus 
>> doesn’t take kindly to heavy pedaling pressure uphill in a low gear, it 
>> starts to skip. This is probably because I’ve got it way past the max 
>> gear 
>> size and chain wrap capacities (46/30t crankset, 11-40t cassette). If I 
>> was 
>> less heavy I suspect it wouldn’t be a problem, but I’m hoping the wider 
>> wrap/capacity of the XT rd will eliminate this issue. 
>>
>> In the “hoods” (pulling on the inner bar ends) the Charlie is a 
>> rocket that pulls my weight off the seat to pedal harder and faster like 
>> in 
>> the drops or hoods. On the hand grips I’m in “sit up and beg” mode - 
>> very 
>> tall to see well in traffic and nice for standing up as I pedal uphills, 
>> but relaxed enough to putter around town for as long as I could want. 
>> The 
>> long arm (e.g., normal) v-brakes are just perfect and so strong I can’t 
>> imagine ever wishing for disc brakes. What a

[RBW] Re: New Sim Works Taco Pedals: Looks appealing

2023-04-24 Thread Johnny Alien

There are so may great platform pedals out there right now that I am not 
sure there is reason for another one but its nice looking. I prefer the 
composite ones because of weight and the bundle of colors they come in. I 
think the bear trap is the best looking one right now.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:31:22 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> More info here: https://sim-works.com/en/news/simworks-new-stuff-2023
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:30:41 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Sim Works have a new pedal coming out. It's called the Taco. Looks like a 
>> Sylvan Gordito pedal with more grip. 
>>
>> Seems like the kind of pedal many of us here would enjoy. 
>>
>> [image: taco2.png]
>>
>> [image: taco.png]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

2023-04-24 Thread Ted Durant

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:

Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to do 
the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a 
Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with 
a cafe stop or two thrown in. 

I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my LA 
daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread with 
interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith 
Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of climbing! 
But it's beautiful and fun.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 

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[RBW] Re: Hi y’all - new Sam in town

2023-04-24 Thread Ted Durant

On Monday, April 17, 2023 at 10:51:12 AM UTC-5 abeca...@gmail.com wrote:

Quick question for does of you that have switched from. Alt bars to drops: 
how would you say the handling changes?

Beautiful Sam, Daniel! My experience on other Riv's (Quickbeam, ATB, 
Cheviot) is that a more upright position unloads the front wheel, making 
the steering feel lighter, twitchier. In the case of the Quickbeam, I 
didn't like it at all and went right back to drop bars. But, I'm a drop bar 
rider and so that's how almost all of my bikes are set up. 

Ted Durant
Milwaukee WI USA

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[RBW] Re: FS: New Acorn handlebar bag

2023-04-24 Thread Caroline Golum

Just popping in to say incredible Bicycle Day avatar <3

On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 11:47:37 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:

> Bump.
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 11:34:46 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:
>
>> I think they are all, now, either brown or black in waxed canvas. I was 
>> happy to be able to score a grey bag from the last batch made.
>>
>> https://www.acornbags.com/collections/waxed-canvas-bags/products/small-handlebar-bag
>>
>> David Lipsky
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 7:34:32 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Brand new, never used Acorn handlebar bag in grey waxed canvas. $60 
>>> shipped in ConUS. I don't think this is currently available for Acorn bags.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0670.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

2023-04-24 Thread Keith P.

I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.
Has he seen this yet?

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:
>
> Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to do 
> the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a 
> Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with 
> a cafe stop or two thrown in. 
>
> I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my LA 
> daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread with 
> interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith 
> Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of climbing! 
> But it's beautiful and fun.
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 
>

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[RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

2023-04-24 Thread Ben Adrian

Hey all!
I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would love to 
join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done around my 
availability.

Cheers!
Ben

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

> I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.
> Has he seen this yet?
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>
>> Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to do 
>> the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a 
>> Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with 
>> a cafe stop or two thrown in. 
>>
>> I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my LA 
>> daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread with 
>> interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith 
>> Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of climbing! 
>> But it's beautiful and fun.
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 
>>
>

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[RBW] Bilenkey Touring Tandem 4 Sale

2023-04-24 Thread Michael Hechmer

*The Basics:*

- Custom, Large, Coupled, Touring Tandem
- Braised Steel, Powder Coated English Racing Green
- Dimensions:
- Head Tube - 10.5” / 26.5 C
- Top Tubes - 22.5/57 & 30.5/77.5
- Seat Tubes - 22.75 / 58 & 17.75/45.5
- Wheels - White Ind. Hubs & DaVinci V22 Rims 26” with 36 spokes
- Crank - DaVinci with TA Zypher rings; 48/38/26
- Casette 9 speed - Shimano Ultegra 12 -32
- Deraillers - IRD Alpina & Shimano Ultegra
- Shifters - Shimano Bar End Indexed/Friction
- Brakes - Paul’s Neo-Retro with Tectro Levers, braise-ons for drum brake
- Head Set - Chris King, Stem - Nitto
- Bars - Nitto Noodle & Nitto Albatross
- Seat Posts Nitto & Cane Creek Thudbuster
- Tires Panaracer
- Chains - Connex
- Kick Stand - Two legs
- Front & Rear Touring Racks - Nitto, powder coated to match the frame.
- Fenders - Velo Orange

*The Extras:*

- Two Hard Shell Suitcases
- Yakima Sidewinder car top carrier

*The Pictures*

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGq6kMgGrhqOe

*The Performance:*

This is a large touring tandem built for strength and stability under
weight. It rides beautifully with or without load and is comfortable on
both dirt and paved surfaces It is outfitted with top flight equipment
that will not fail you. The rear top tube is quite long which affords the
stoker a more spacious cockpit. The stays are long enough to accomodate
large paniers without interfering with the stoker’s heels. The design
point was for 2”tires with fenders but currently fitted with 1.75 (1.5
actual) tires, which is all we could get the last time we replaced them.
The cranks have three pedal drillings to accomodate a range of leg lengths.

*The Deal:*

$4500 picked up at our home in Westford, VT. $5000 shipped to continental
USA. Deliverery, negotiable

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[RBW] Re: Bilenkey Touring Tandem 4 Sale

2023-04-24 Thread lconley

Assuming that you mean *brazed* steel frame. 

Laing

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:20:30 PM UTC-4 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> *The Basics:*
>
>- Custom, Large, Coupled, Touring Tandem 
>- Braised Steel, Powder Coated English Racing Green 
>- Dimensions:
>   - Head Tube - 10.5” / 26.5 C 
>   - Top Tubes - 22.5/57 & 30.5/77.5 
>   - Seat Tubes - 22.75 / 58  & 17.75/45.5 
>- Wheels - White Ind. Hubs & DaVinci V22 Rims  26” with 36 spokes 
>- Crank - DaVinci with TA Zypher rings; 48/38/26 
>- Casette 9 speed - Shimano Ultegra 12 -32 
>- Deraillers - IRD Alpina & Shimano Ultegra 
>- Shifters - Shimano Bar End Indexed/Friction 
>- Brakes - Paul’s Neo-Retro with Tectro Levers, braise-ons for drum 
>brake 
>- Head Set - Chris King, Stem - Nitto 
>- Bars - Nitto Noodle & Nitto Albatross 
>- Seat Posts Nitto & Cane Creek Thudbuster 
>- Tires Panaracer 
>- Chains - Connex 
>- Kick Stand - Two legs 
>- Front & Rear Touring Racks - Nitto, powder coated to match the frame. 
>- Fenders - Velo Orange  
>
>
> *The Extras:*
>
>- Two Hard Shell Suitcases 
>- Yakima Sidewinder car top carrier 
>
>
> *The Pictures*
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0oGq6kMgGrhqOe
>
>
> *The Performance:*
>
> This is a large touring tandem built for strength and stability under 
> weight.  It rides beautifully with or without load and is comfortable on 
> both dirt and paved surfaces  It is outfitted with top flight equipment 
> that will not fail you.  The rear top tube is quite long which affords the 
> stoker a more spacious cockpit.  The stays are long enough to accomodate 
> large paniers without interfering with the stoker’s heels.  The design 
> point was for 2”tires with fenders but currently fitted with 1.75 (1.5 
> actual) tires, which is all we could get the last time we replaced them.  
> The cranks have three pedal drillings to accomodate a range of leg lengths.
>
>
> *The Deal:*
>
> $4500 picked up at our home in Westford, VT.  $5000 shipped to continental 
> USA.  Deliverery, negotiable
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2023-04-24 Thread Stephen

Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was surprised 
when you let it go. Makes me want one, if only production models had canti 
posts... Its nice having a dedicated fendered and racked bike. I recently 
took off the front basket rack from my Joe to take it on some single track 
adventures. It was meant to be temporary but the lightened front end feels 
so good.. makes me want to have a different dedicated basket rack/fender 
city bike. Bikesnob had some similar musings about his rock combo and homer 
recently.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Thanks Dustin, Eric - indeed it's an Abus Bordo lock.  A little heavier 
> than a similar strength U-lock but it's handy having it on the frame where 
> I can't forget it.  I'm glad to hear the production run is secured it 
> sounds like, I suppose the quietness is just because they're in the waiting 
> phase now. 
>
> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 08:28:07 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your other 
>> bikes. It's cool to have your rigs squared and sorted for particular 
>> purposes. 
>>
>> Dustin — I'm not 100% but I think that might be a seat-tube mounted 
>> folding lock that has a cage that mounts to the bottle bosses. 
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:13:33 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote:
>>
>>> I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie project 
>>> and he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. Hopefully this 
>>> will happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a daily commuter to 
>>> complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy hauler, whereas 
>>> the Charlie would be my "fast" commuter.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:11:56 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold 
 mine around the time of the last post, but recently bought it back from 
 the 
 friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it similarly to 
 before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 saddle, triple 
 crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the same bars plugged 
 back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly ideal for my 
 everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first place - now 
 the 
 Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be reconfigured 
 to focus on adventure and bikepacking. 

 I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's still on 
 the books?? 


 [image: PXL_20230423_164506068.jpg]

 On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote:

> Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm 
> extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the 
> the minimum insertion line 
>
> Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so 
> maybe that will work better for me.
>
> Max
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_2063.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]
>> [image: IMG_2076.jpg]
>> FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and will 
>> again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in the mail too 
>> which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar ends are 
>> pretty cozy so I'll try them both.  
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, changed stems:
>>> Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic
>>> Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic
>>>
>>> Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the 
>>> minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy of 
>>> min 
>>> insertion line. 
>>>
>>> I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 saddle 
>>> almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. 
>>>
>>> The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my 
>>> Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach to 
>>> pull 
>>> on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least 11cm 
>>> of 
>>> stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry about 
>>> knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this low. 
>>> And I 
>>> wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam 
>>> reason. 
>>>
>>> My next move is to try swapping the Nexus rd for an XT rapid rise rd 
>>> with a 13t lower pulley wheel (replacing the 11t original). The Nexus 
>>> doesn’t take kindly to heavy pedaling pressure uphill in a low gear, it 
>>> starts to skip. This is probably because I’ve got it way past the max 
>>> gear 
>>> size and chain wrap capacities (46/30t crankset, 11-40t cassett

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sim Works Taco Pedals: Looks appealing

2023-04-24 Thread Richard Rose

My favorite pedal ever is the Simworks Bubbly. I have them on my Clem & they are really good for pavement & even light dirt/gravel. But, they just are not “sticky” enough (for me) on my Gus on singletrack - I need pins. I built the Gus with leftover DMR Vault pedals. They are big enough and my 5/10 shoes do not move. But the Taco just plain looks so good & is slightly bigger than the vault. If I could be certain they will be as sticky as the Vault’s I would be trying to score a set.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 24, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:There are so may great platform pedals out there right now that I am not sure there is reason for another one but its nice looking. I prefer the composite ones because of weight and the bundle of colors they come in. I think the bear trap is the best looking one right now.On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:31:22 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:More info here: https://sim-works.com/en/news/simworks-new-stuff-2023On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:30:41 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:Sim Works have a new pedal coming out. It's called the Taco. Looks like a Sylvan Gordito pedal with more grip. Seems like the kind of pedal many of us here would enjoy.

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 51cm Sam or Joe: Hi Ho Silver is ideal!

2023-04-24 Thread Matthew Williams

Here’s a 48 Sam:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-48cm-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7613752659.html
48cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne - bicycles - by owner - bike sale
sfbay.craigslist.org



> On Apr 15, 2023, at 9:07 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
> Let me know! Also I am selling a 52cm Crust Romanceur if you are interested 
> in purchase or trade! 
> 
> Thanks,
> R.J. 
> 
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 51cm Sam Hillborne in Sage/Blue

2023-04-24 Thread Matthew Williams

Hi Colin, if you're still looking, here's a 48...

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-48cm-rivendell-sam-hillborne/7613752659.html

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:10:26 AM UTC-7 Colin wrote:

> Hello! Looking to buy a 51cm Sam Hillborne frame or complete in sage/light 
> blue if anyone has one out there :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sim Works Taco Pedals: Looks appealing

2023-04-24 Thread DavidP

I use 5-10 Freeriders on my MTBs with pedals that have screw type pins 
similar to those on the Vault pedals, and also have a few different types 
of pinned pedals on other types of bikes.

In my experience pins like those on the Taco pedals will work fine with 
five-tens, but will not be quite as locked in as the smaller diameter screw 
type pins on pedals like the Vault, which really dig into the 5/10s and 
require lifting your foot to reposition.

The Taco pedal pins split the difference between the above mentioned more 
aggressive pins and the even less aggressive star/torx shaped pins that are 
available on many (inexpensive) pedals marketed for more casual use.

I have pedals with the less aggressive star/torx pins on my Platypus and 
they work great with casual shoes (trail runners, vans type treads, etc.) 
without tearing them up (or me if I brush against them). I tried using my 
five-tens on these pedals and they weren't slippery but offered no 
advantage to casual shoes, so I keep the 5-10s for dedicated MTB use.

-Dave

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 3:05:45 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> My favorite pedal ever is the Simworks Bubbly. I have them on my Clem & 
> they are really good for pavement & even light dirt/gravel. But, they just 
> are not “sticky” enough (for me) on my Gus on singletrack  - I need pins. I 
> built the Gus with leftover DMR Vault pedals. They are big enough and my 
> 5/10 shoes do not move. But the Taco just plain looks so good & is slightly 
> bigger than the vault. If I could be certain they will be as sticky as the 
> Vault’s I would be trying to score a set.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 24, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
> There are so may great platform pedals out there right now that I am not 
> sure there is reason for another one but its nice looking. I prefer the 
> composite ones because of weight and the bundle of colors they come in. I 
> think the bear trap is the best looking one right now.
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:31:22 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> More info here: https://sim-works.com/en/news/simworks-new-stuff-2023
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:30:41 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> Sim Works have a new pedal coming out. It's called the Taco. Looks like 
>>> a Sylvan Gordito pedal with more grip. 
>>>
>>> Seems like the kind of pedal many of us here would enjoy. 
>>>
>>> [image: taco2.png]
>>>
>>> [image: taco.png]
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts

2023-04-24 Thread Ryan

Yes, Joe...you have a great color scheme there...which is a good thing 
because we see a lot of it...and  that's totally OK. I like looking at it😊

I really like the harvest gold; got it in 2001 when it was fairly unusual, 
but offered as a custom color. Looks different depending on light(sunlight 
vs cloud). I agree with Laing that a butter yellow would be great, 
especially if it had panels and headtube in a root beer or coffee color. 
The standard cream would get lost because there's not enough contrast. I 
absolutely do not need  another custom but if I were in the market and Riv 
still offered customs, I think that I could go for that.

I do like Leah's Raspberry and that mermaid color is quite attractive too. 

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:48:21 AM UTC-5 Miles T wrote:

> I’m a sucker for metallic colors… it’s like you get 2 for 1. A metallic 
> colored bike looks totally different in overcast weather vs a sunny day. 
> But the solid colors are great too. That dark green on the Clem “H” models 
> a while back is one of my favorite colors on any riv. At this point, they 
> have a wide selection of colors and I like seeing them pop up on different 
> models over time.
>
> I love that scheme on your custom, Joe. Especially that cream outline on 
> the red accents. 
>
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I'll throw down for the gloss non-metallics here cuz it's what I chose 
>> for my custom. I like it!* 
>>
>> *I like metallics, too. I'm easy 😬
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20230423_083601.jpg]
>>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 7:48:02 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Crust Bombora owner here, so I have no reservations whatsoever about 
>>> pink / lilac / weird colored bikes. The more the better!
>>> Personally, I agree with Leah in that I find the Rivendell colors look 
>>> best when they're sparklin'. The only non-metallic Riv color I've ever been 
>>> attracted to is that mustard color of the Clem / Appaloosa. I'd like to see 
>>> them move away from the non-metallic oranges and blues... and I'd love to 
>>> see more of the weird gold, mustard-y tones and maybe more variations on 
>>> silver.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 9:14:07 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I would buy a pink step through if they came out with one.

 On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 9:22:00 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> I am fortunate to own a Rambouillet in the first paint edition - the 
> sparkling metallic orange.  I've had many complements on it not just from 
> other cyclists, but also from random on-lookers, as well.  Some of these 
> have even said that they'd love to see a vintage vehicle of their choice 
> repainted with the Nova Orange base coat and the Spanish Gold clear coat. 
>  
> It's hard to beat.
> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 3:39:48 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello friends — I've noticed that over the past few years Rivendell 
>> have been using some of the same paint colors on many frames through 
>> several production runs. If there's been a discussion of this practice, 
>> I've missed it. 
>>
>> I can't quite put my finger on it but something about the same paint 
>> appearing on frames over and over leaves me scratching my head. Perhaps 
>> there's a missed opportunity to pin a color to a model or to cycle in 
>> new 
>> colors with new batches of frames? 
>>
>> What do other members think? Do you appreciate the same colors 
>> appearing on different frames? Do you wish there was a wider variety of 
>> colors? Does it matter at all? 
>>
>> Some of these colors I like quite a lot, others I appreciate. There 
>> isn't one that I dislike. The Lime Olive is always striking when it 
>> appears 
>> on a new frame, love it on the Hillbornes and Clems. 
>>
>> The harvest gold, wow, looks killer on those Susies. Blew my mind on 
>> the Homers because they've always been a blue bike. 
>>
>> I do miss the mustard from the older Appaloosas and the dark bronze 
>> that appeared on some Clems. These two colors paired with some of the 
>> newer 
>> colors currently in use demonstrate, I think, that Riv has some of the 
>> best 
>> paint colors in the biz. Really lovely stuff. 
>>
>> Here's a far-from-complete list more or less off the top of my head 
>> of where current production colors have appeared:
>>
>> *Lime-olive*
>> Platypus
>> Susie
>> Hillborne
>> Clem
>>
>> *Mermaid*
>> Appaloosa 
>> Platypus
>> Roadini
>> Gus
>>
>> *Harvest/Dark Gold*
>> Hillborne
>> Homer
>> Susie 
>>
>> *Ana Purple*
>> Rosco Plat
>> Appaloosa (next batch in 2023?)
>> Road Uno or Gallop? (I can't remember but thought the purple was 
>> slated for one of these frames) 
>>
>> *RBW Orange*
>> A

[RBW] Re: Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts

2023-04-24 Thread Jason Fuller

Wait, the Platys are coming in silver soon? Crap, I guess good thing I just 
got my Charlie back or I'd be dropping a bunch of money for that. 

I'm late to the conversation, but my read is that Grant & co spend a lot 
more time on color selection than is business-smart to do so, because they 
want it to be exactly right - so when they get one that passes a vote, they 
hang onto it. As for my opinion about it, I like how they do it because if 
you love a certain color, you just have to be patient for it to come to 
your preferred model - or, conversely, if you like a model but not the 
available colors, you'll hopefully be accommodated on the next batch.  I do 
think that colors should be retired every few years for new ones though! 

On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 12:56:19 UTC-7 Ryan wrote:

> Yes, Joe...you have a great color scheme there...which is a good thing 
> because we see a lot of it...and  that's totally OK. I like looking at it😊
>
> I really like the harvest gold; got it in 2001 when it was fairly unusual, 
> but offered as a custom color. Looks different depending on light(sunlight 
> vs cloud). I agree with Laing that a butter yellow would be great, 
> especially if it had panels and headtube in a root beer or coffee color. 
> The standard cream would get lost because there's not enough contrast. I 
> absolutely do not need  another custom but if I were in the market and Riv 
> still offered customs, I think that I could go for that.
>
> I do like Leah's Raspberry and that mermaid color is quite attractive too. 
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:48:21 AM UTC-5 Miles T wrote:
>
>> I’m a sucker for metallic colors… it’s like you get 2 for 1. A metallic 
>> colored bike looks totally different in overcast weather vs a sunny day. 
>> But the solid colors are great too. That dark green on the Clem “H” models 
>> a while back is one of my favorite colors on any riv. At this point, they 
>> have a wide selection of colors and I like seeing them pop up on different 
>> models over time.
>>
>> I love that scheme on your custom, Joe. Especially that cream outline on 
>> the red accents. 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I'll throw down for the gloss non-metallics here cuz it's what I chose 
>>> for my custom. I like it!* 
>>>
>>> *I like metallics, too. I'm easy 😬
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230423_083601.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 7:48:02 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Crust Bombora owner here, so I have no reservations whatsoever about 
 pink / lilac / weird colored bikes. The more the better!
 Personally, I agree with Leah in that I find the Rivendell colors look 
 best when they're sparklin'. The only non-metallic Riv color I've ever 
 been 
 attracted to is that mustard color of the Clem / Appaloosa. I'd like to 
 see 
 them move away from the non-metallic oranges and blues... and I'd love to 
 see more of the weird gold, mustard-y tones and maybe more variations on 
 silver.

 On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 9:14:07 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I would buy a pink step through if they came out with one.
>
> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 9:22:00 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I am fortunate to own a Rambouillet in the first paint edition - the 
>> sparkling metallic orange.  I've had many complements on it not just 
>> from 
>> other cyclists, but also from random on-lookers, as well.  Some of these 
>> have even said that they'd love to see a vintage vehicle of their choice 
>> repainted with the Nova Orange base coat and the Spanish Gold clear 
>> coat.  
>> It's hard to beat.
>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 3:39:48 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello friends — I've noticed that over the past few years Rivendell 
>>> have been using some of the same paint colors on many frames through 
>>> several production runs. If there's been a discussion of this practice, 
>>> I've missed it. 
>>>
>>> I can't quite put my finger on it but something about the same paint 
>>> appearing on frames over and over leaves me scratching my head. Perhaps 
>>> there's a missed opportunity to pin a color to a model or to cycle in 
>>> new 
>>> colors with new batches of frames? 
>>>
>>> What do other members think? Do you appreciate the same colors 
>>> appearing on different frames? Do you wish there was a wider variety of 
>>> colors? Does it matter at all? 
>>>
>>> Some of these colors I like quite a lot, others I appreciate. There 
>>> isn't one that I dislike. The Lime Olive is always striking when it 
>>> appears 
>>> on a new frame, love it on the Hillbornes and Clems. 
>>>
>>> The harvest gold, wow, looks killer on those Susies. Blew my mind on 
>>> the Homers because they've always been a blue bike. 
>>>
>>> I do miss

[RBW] Re: Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts

2023-04-24 Thread Wyatt

Have to say whatever they're doing with the paint is right. Next Riv I get 
will be 50% because I want a frame with that mermaid green.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Wait, the Platys are coming in silver soon? Crap, I guess good thing I 
> just got my Charlie back or I'd be dropping a bunch of money for that. 
>
> I'm late to the conversation, but my read is that Grant & co spend a lot 
> more time on color selection than is business-smart to do so, because they 
> want it to be exactly right - so when they get one that passes a vote, they 
> hang onto it. As for my opinion about it, I like how they do it because if 
> you love a certain color, you just have to be patient for it to come to 
> your preferred model - or, conversely, if you like a model but not the 
> available colors, you'll hopefully be accommodated on the next batch.  I do 
> think that colors should be retired every few years for new ones though! 
>
> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 12:56:19 UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Yes, Joe...you have a great color scheme there...which is a good thing 
>> because we see a lot of it...and  that's totally OK. I like looking at it😊
>>
>> I really like the harvest gold; got it in 2001 when it was fairly 
>> unusual, but offered as a custom color. Looks different depending on 
>> light(sunlight vs cloud). I agree with Laing that a butter yellow would be 
>> great, especially if it had panels and headtube in a root beer or coffee 
>> color. The standard cream would get lost because there's not enough 
>> contrast. I absolutely do not need  another custom but if I were in the 
>> market and Riv still offered customs, I think that I could go for that.
>>
>> I do like Leah's Raspberry and that mermaid color is quite attractive 
>> too. 
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:48:21 AM UTC-5 Miles T wrote:
>>
>>> I’m a sucker for metallic colors… it’s like you get 2 for 1. A metallic 
>>> colored bike looks totally different in overcast weather vs a sunny day. 
>>> But the solid colors are great too. That dark green on the Clem “H” models 
>>> a while back is one of my favorite colors on any riv. At this point, they 
>>> have a wide selection of colors and I like seeing them pop up on different 
>>> models over time.
>>>
>>> I love that scheme on your custom, Joe. Especially that cream outline on 
>>> the red accents. 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I'll throw down for the gloss non-metallics here cuz it's what I chose 
 for my custom. I like it!* 

 *I like metallics, too. I'm easy 😬

 [image: Screenshot_20230423_083601.jpg]

 On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 7:48:02 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Crust Bombora owner here, so I have no reservations whatsoever about 
> pink / lilac / weird colored bikes. The more the better!
> Personally, I agree with Leah in that I find the Rivendell colors look 
> best when they're sparklin'. The only non-metallic Riv color I've ever 
> been 
> attracted to is that mustard color of the Clem / Appaloosa. I'd like to 
> see 
> them move away from the non-metallic oranges and blues... and I'd love to 
> see more of the weird gold, mustard-y tones and maybe more variations on 
> silver.
>
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 9:14:07 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I would buy a pink step through if they came out with one.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 9:22:00 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I am fortunate to own a Rambouillet in the first paint edition - the 
>>> sparkling metallic orange.  I've had many complements on it not just 
>>> from 
>>> other cyclists, but also from random on-lookers, as well.  Some of 
>>> these 
>>> have even said that they'd love to see a vintage vehicle of their 
>>> choice 
>>> repainted with the Nova Orange base coat and the Spanish Gold clear 
>>> coat.  
>>> It's hard to beat.
>>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 3:39:48 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello friends — I've noticed that over the past few years Rivendell 
 have been using some of the same paint colors on many frames through 
 several production runs. If there's been a discussion of this 
 practice, 
 I've missed it. 

 I can't quite put my finger on it but something about the same 
 paint appearing on frames over and over leaves me scratching my head. 
 Perhaps there's a missed opportunity to pin a color to a model or to 
 cycle 
 in new colors with new batches of frames? 

 What do other members think? Do you appreciate the same colors 
 appearing on different frames? Do you wish there was a wider variety 
 of 
 colors? Does it matter at all? 

 Some of these colors I like quite a lot, other

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sim Works Taco Pedals: Looks appealing

2023-04-24 Thread Jason Fuller

I agree Eric, this pedal appeals to me with the large platform and pinned 
construction. Also saw the Gordito frame and thought, YES this is a good 
use of that tooling!  I bought Allways for the Charlie (well, for the 
Wombat, but) and even though their platform is fairly roomy, they feel too 
small vs. the Monarchs which have become the gold standard for me. I would 
give these a go! 



On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 12:51:51 UTC-7 DavidP wrote:

> I use 5-10 Freeriders on my MTBs with pedals that have screw type pins 
> similar to those on the Vault pedals, and also have a few different types 
> of pinned pedals on other types of bikes.
>
> In my experience pins like those on the Taco pedals will work fine with 
> five-tens, but will not be quite as locked in as the smaller diameter screw 
> type pins on pedals like the Vault, which really dig into the 5/10s and 
> require lifting your foot to reposition.
>
> The Taco pedal pins split the difference between the above mentioned more 
> aggressive pins and the even less aggressive star/torx shaped pins that are 
> available on many (inexpensive) pedals marketed for more casual use.
>
> I have pedals with the less aggressive star/torx pins on my Platypus and 
> they work great with casual shoes (trail runners, vans type treads, etc.) 
> without tearing them up (or me if I brush against them). I tried using my 
> five-tens on these pedals and they weren't slippery but offered no 
> advantage to casual shoes, so I keep the 5-10s for dedicated MTB use.
>
> -Dave
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 3:05:45 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My favorite pedal ever is the Simworks Bubbly. I have them on my Clem & 
>> they are really good for pavement & even light dirt/gravel. But, they just 
>> are not “sticky” enough (for me) on my Gus on singletrack  - I need pins. I 
>> built the Gus with leftover DMR Vault pedals. They are big enough and my 
>> 5/10 shoes do not move. But the Taco just plain looks so good & is slightly 
>> bigger than the vault. If I could be certain they will be as sticky as the 
>> Vault’s I would be trying to score a set.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2023, at 12:52 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>> There are so may great platform pedals out there right now that I am not 
>> sure there is reason for another one but its nice looking. I prefer the 
>> composite ones because of weight and the bundle of colors they come in. I 
>> think the bear trap is the best looking one right now.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:31:22 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> More info here: https://sim-works.com/en/news/simworks-new-stuff-2023
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:30:41 AM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Sim Works have a new pedal coming out. It's called the Taco. Looks like 
 a Sylvan Gordito pedal with more grip. 

 Seems like the kind of pedal many of us here would enjoy. 

 [image: taco2.png]

 [image: taco.png]

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[RBW] Re: FS: New Acorn handlebar bag

2023-04-24 Thread John Rinker

Thanks Caroline! Happy (belated) Bicycle Day! Here's a fun link: Bicycle 
Day Graphic Novel 


Cheers, John
On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:26:58 AM UTC-7 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Just popping in to say incredible Bicycle Day avatar <3
>
> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 11:47:37 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Bump.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 11:34:46 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>
>>> I think they are all, now, either brown or black in waxed canvas. I was 
>>> happy to be able to score a grey bag from the last batch made.
>>>
>>> https://www.acornbags.com/collections/waxed-canvas-bags/products/small-handlebar-bag
>>>
>>> David Lipsky
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 7:34:32 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>>>
 Brand new, never used Acorn handlebar bag in grey waxed canvas. $60 
 shipped in ConUS. I don't think this is currently available for Acorn bags.

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[RBW] Re: FS: New Acorn handlebar bag

2023-04-24 Thread John Rinker

Bag is sold. Thanks.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 3:59:58 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Thanks Caroline! Happy (belated) Bicycle Day! Here's a fun link: Bicycle 
> Day Graphic Novel 
> 
>
> Cheers, John
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:26:58 AM UTC-7 Caroline Golum wrote:
>
>> Just popping in to say incredible Bicycle Day avatar <3
>>
>> On Saturday, April 22, 2023 at 11:47:37 AM UTC-4 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Bump.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 11:34:46 PM UTC-7 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>>
 I think they are all, now, either brown or black in waxed canvas. I was 
 happy to be able to score a grey bag from the last batch made.

 https://www.acornbags.com/collections/waxed-canvas-bags/products/small-handlebar-bag

 David Lipsky

 On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 7:34:32 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Brand new, never used Acorn handlebar bag in grey waxed canvas. $60 
> shipped in ConUS. I don't think this is currently available for Acorn 
> bags.
>
> [image: IMG_0670.JPG]
>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts

2023-04-24 Thread J J

In an ocean of charcoal, slate, and black bikes, I just appreciate the wide 
range of colors Rivendell puts on their bikes. 

However, I have what I think is a minority opinion: I’m about 75 percent in 
favor of no more than two specific colors for specific models (**with 
exceptions for custom paint jobs, which are at the buyer’s discretion, with 
Riv’s final approval of course**). The production colors become part of a 
particular model's “brand" or visual identity. This is important.

For example, it’s hard to imagine Atlantis production models in any color other 
than the Atlantis blue/green… even though there are Atlantises painted in 
lovely one-off colors. It would be odd if any other production model were 
painted in the Atlantis color. The Atlantis geometry has changed tremendously 
over the years. You might even say that the Atlantis green/blue *is itself* a 
huge part of the Atlantis brand because the color has been a constant through 
the various Atlantis permutations.

Another example: I like that Hunqs came in two color schemes: the early runs 
were grey and kidney bean red, and the later runs were green. Now Joe’s 
fantastic custom was inspired by the grey and red Hunq scheme. But it’s a 
custom, a one-off, slightly different, and ultimately it was Joe’s prerogative. 
He made a very tasteful choice. 

I think the Platypus was the first model in mermaid (?). Anyway, when I see 
mermaid I think Platypus, not Gus or anything else. I don’t get why any model 
other than the Platypus should be in mermaid! It’s a strong brand association. 
The lovely  sparkly raspberry of Leah’s Platypus, being a unique one off, does 
not weaken the Platypus mermaid brand because raspberry was not a production 
color.

And as much as I like the lovely olive green as a color, the number of models 
in this green suggests brand confusion and inconsistency. 

I do think that variations of similar colors across model is fine. They should 
be different enough not to confuse them, though.  

Like I said, my opinion is probably in the small minority.

> On Apr 24, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Wyatt  wrote:
> 
> Have to say whatever they're doing with the paint is right. Next Riv I get 
> will be 50% because I want a frame with that mermaid green.
> 
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>> Wait, the Platys are coming in silver soon? Crap, I guess good thing I just 
>> got my Charlie back or I'd be dropping a bunch of money for that. 
>> 
>> I'm late to the conversation, but my read is that Grant & co spend a lot 
>> more time on color selection than is business-smart to do so, because they 
>> want it to be exactly right - so when they get one that passes a vote, they 
>> hang onto it. As for my opinion about it, I like how they do it because if 
>> you love a certain color, you just have to be patient for it to come to your 
>> preferred model - or, conversely, if you like a model but not the available 
>> colors, you'll hopefully be accommodated on the next batch.  I do think that 
>> colors should be retired every few years for new ones though! 
>> 
>> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 12:56:19 UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>> Yes, Joe...you have a great color scheme there...which is a good thing 
>>> because we see a lot of it...and  that's totally OK. I like looking at it😊
>>> 
>>> I really like the harvest gold; got it in 2001 when it was fairly unusual, 
>>> but offered as a custom color. Looks different depending on light(sunlight 
>>> vs cloud). I agree with Laing that a butter yellow would be great, 
>>> especially if it had panels and headtube in a root beer or coffee color. 
>>> The standard cream would get lost because there's not enough contrast. I 
>>> absolutely do not need  another custom but if I were in the market and Riv 
>>> still offered customs, I think that I could go for that.
>>> 
>>> I do like Leah's Raspberry and that mermaid color is quite attractive too. 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:48:21 AM UTC-5 Miles T wrote:
 I’m a sucker for metallic colors… it’s like you get 2 for 1. A metallic 
 colored bike looks totally different in overcast weather vs a sunny day. 
 But the solid colors are great too. That dark green on the Clem “H” models 
 a while back is one of my favorite colors on any riv. At this point, they 
 have a wide selection of colors and I like seeing them pop up on different 
 models over time.

 I love that scheme on your custom, Joe. Especially that cream outline on 
 the red accents. 

 On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:39:47 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
> I'll throw down for the gloss non-metallics here cuz it's what I chose 
> for my custom. I like it!* 
> 
> *I like metallics, too. I'm easy 😬
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 7:48:02 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com <> wrote:
>> Crust Bombora owner here, so I have no reservations whatsoever about 
>> pink / lilac / weird colored bik

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2023-04-24 Thread Ryan Frahm

Are there not going to be canti mounts on the production? That’s a huge 
mistake (deal breaker) in my opinion. These look like such a nice and fun 
bikes!

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:

> Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was surprised 
> when you let it go. Makes me want one, if only production models had canti 
> posts... Its nice having a dedicated fendered and racked bike. I recently 
> took off the front basket rack from my Joe to take it on some single track 
> adventures. It was meant to be temporary but the lightened front end feels 
> so good.. makes me want to have a different dedicated basket rack/fender 
> city bike. Bikesnob had some similar musings about his rock combo and homer 
> recently.
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dustin, Eric - indeed it's an Abus Bordo lock.  A little heavier 
>> than a similar strength U-lock but it's handy having it on the frame where 
>> I can't forget it.  I'm glad to hear the production run is secured it 
>> sounds like, I suppose the quietness is just because they're in the waiting 
>> phase now. 
>>
>> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 08:28:07 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your other 
>>> bikes. It's cool to have your rigs squared and sorted for particular 
>>> purposes. 
>>>
>>> Dustin — I'm not 100% but I think that might be a seat-tube mounted 
>>> folding lock that has a cage that mounts to the bottle bosses. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:13:33 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote:
>>>
 I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie project 
 and he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. Hopefully this 
 will happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a daily commuter to 
 complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy hauler, whereas 
 the Charlie would be my "fast" commuter.

 On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:11:56 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold 
> mine around the time of the last post, but recently bought it back from 
> the 
> friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it similarly to 
> before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 saddle, triple 
> crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the same bars plugged 
> back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly ideal for my 
> everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first place - now 
> the 
> Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be 
> reconfigured 
> to focus on adventure and bikepacking. 
>
> I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's still 
> on the books?? 
>
>
> [image: PXL_20230423_164506068.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm 
>> extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near the 
>> the minimum insertion line 
>>
>> Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so 
>> maybe that will work better for me.
>>
>> Max
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_2063.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]
>>> [image: IMG_2076.jpg]
>>> FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and will 
>>> again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in the mail 
>>> too 
>>> which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar ends are 
>>> pretty cozy so I'll try them both.  
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake wrote:
>>>
 Yes, changed stems:
 Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic
 Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic

 Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the the 
 minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about 4cm shy 
 of min 
 insertion line. 

 I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 saddle 
 almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. 

 The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my 
 Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach to 
 pull 
 on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least 
 11cm of 
 stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry 
 about 
 knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this low. 
 And I 
 wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam 
 reason. 

 My next move is to try swapping the Nexu

Re: [RBW] Rivendell paint color repetition: Your thoughts

2023-04-24 Thread Ryan

" an ocean of charcoal, slate, and black bikes"just  depressing. But 
maybe the right color for a beater you lock up downtown in the hopes that 
it'll still be there. Like I say, just depressing.

Wasn't it Ford who said " you can have any color you want as long as it's 
black"?

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:40:47 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:

> In an ocean of charcoal, slate, and black bikes, I just appreciate the 
> wide range of colors Rivendell puts on their bikes. 
>
> However, I have what I think is a minority opinion: I’m about 75 percent 
> in favor of no more than two specific colors for specific models (**with 
> exceptions for custom paint jobs, which are at the buyer’s discretion, with 
> Riv’s final approval of course**). The *production* colors become part of 
> a particular model's “brand" or visual identity. This is important.
>
> For example, it’s hard to imagine Atlantis production models in any color 
> other than the Atlantis blue/green… even though there are Atlantises 
> painted in lovely one-off colors. It would be odd if any other production 
> model were painted in the Atlantis color. The Atlantis geometry has changed 
> tremendously over the years. You might even say that the Atlantis 
> green/blue *is itself* a huge part of the Atlantis brand because the color 
> has been a constant through the various Atlantis permutations.
>
> Another example: I like that Hunqs came in two color schemes: the early 
> runs were grey and kidney bean red, and the later runs were green. Now 
> Joe’s fantastic custom was inspired by the grey and red Hunq scheme. But 
> it’s a custom, a one-off, slightly different, and ultimately it was Joe’s 
> prerogative. He made a very tasteful choice. 
>
> I think the Platypus was the first model in mermaid (?). Anyway, when I 
> see mermaid I think Platypus, not Gus or anything else. I don’t get why any 
> model other than the Platypus should be in mermaid! It’s a strong brand 
> association. The lovely  sparkly raspberry of Leah’s Platypus, being a 
> unique one off, does not weaken the Platypus mermaid brand because 
> raspberry was not a production color.
>
> And as much as I like the lovely olive green as a color, the number of 
> models in this green suggests brand confusion and inconsistency. 
>
> I do think that variations of *similar* colors across model is fine. They 
> should be different enough not to confuse them, though.  
>
> Like I said, my opinion is probably in the small minority.
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Wyatt  wrote:
>
> Have to say whatever they're doing with the paint is right. Next Riv I get 
> will be 50% because I want a frame with that mermaid green.
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 5:29:55 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Wait, the Platys are coming in silver soon? Crap, I guess good thing I 
>> just got my Charlie back or I'd be dropping a bunch of money for that. 
>>
>> I'm late to the conversation, but my read is that Grant & co spend a lot 
>> more time on color selection than is business-smart to do so, because they 
>> want it to be exactly right - so when they get one that passes a vote, they 
>> hang onto it. As for my opinion about it, I like how they do it because if 
>> you love a certain color, you just have to be patient for it to come to 
>> your preferred model - or, conversely, if you like a model but not the 
>> available colors, you'll hopefully be accommodated on the next batch.  I do 
>> think that colors should be retired every few years for new ones though! 
>>
>> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 12:56:19 UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Joe...you have a great color scheme there...which is a good thing 
>>> because we see a lot of it...and  that's totally OK. I like looking at it😊
>>>
>>> I really like the harvest gold; got it in 2001 when it was fairly 
>>> unusual, but offered as a custom color. Looks different depending on 
>>> light(sunlight vs cloud). I agree with Laing that a butter yellow would be 
>>> great, especially if it had panels and headtube in a root beer or coffee 
>>> color. The standard cream would get lost because there's not enough 
>>> contrast. I absolutely do not need  another custom but if I were in the 
>>> market and Riv still offered customs, I think that I could go for that.
>>>
>>> I do like Leah's Raspberry and that mermaid color is quite attractive 
>>> too. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:48:21 AM UTC-5 Miles T wrote:
>>>
 I’m a sucker for metallic colors… it’s like you get 2 for 1. A metallic 
 colored bike looks totally different in overcast weather vs a sunny day. 
 But the solid colors are great too. That dark green on the Clem “H” models 
 a while back is one of my favorite colors on any riv. At this point, they 
 have a wide selection of colors and I like seeing them pop up on different 
 models over time.

 I love that scheme on your custom, Joe. Especially that cream outline 
 on the red accents. 

 On Sunday, April 23, 2

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2023-04-24 Thread Johnny Alien

Yeah I think it had to do with the brake pull situation. Most road brakes 
won't match with v brakes which means if you have a road setup vs a 
mountain setup you would need cantis or mini-v's. Since there are 
decreasing options for cantis they were leaning on mini-v's but I guess 
they didn't care for the options there. So they went back on the "designed 
for sweptbacks" and decided to push the albastache bars and road brakes. 
This is all a theory based on some of the stuff I remember reading from 
them.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:07:55 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Correct; last word is that production will use long reach sidepulls. 
> Rarely has this entire group been so unanimously in opposition of a design 
> decision from Riv as their choosing to do so. I am very curious why they 
> went with this decision - the argument that it's a road-ish bike and 
> therefore caliper brakes make sense is a flimsy one.  
>
> Especially considering how much tire the proto's fit!  For fun, I tried 
> 650x55 (note: frame is 700c) and there was actually loads of clearance on 
> the frame - at least 8mm everywhere. Fork was tighter but still about 4mm 
> clearance. Not much reason to do this vs. a Susie but it was a fun 
> experiment. 
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 5:43 PM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
>> Are there not going to be canti mounts on the production? That’s a huge 
>> mistake (deal breaker) in my opinion. These look like such a nice and fun 
>> bikes!
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was surprised 
>>> when you let it go. Makes me want one, if only production models had canti 
>>> posts... Its nice having a dedicated fendered and racked bike. I recently 
>>> took off the front basket rack from my Joe to take it on some single track 
>>> adventures. It was meant to be temporary but the lightened front end feels 
>>> so good.. makes me want to have a different dedicated basket rack/fender 
>>> city bike. Bikesnob had some similar musings about his rock combo and homer 
>>> recently.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Dustin, Eric - indeed it's an Abus Bordo lock.  A little heavier 
 than a similar strength U-lock but it's handy having it on the frame where 
 I can't forget it.  I'm glad to hear the production run is secured it 
 sounds like, I suppose the quietness is just because they're in the 
 waiting 
 phase now. 

 On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 08:28:07 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your other 
> bikes. It's cool to have your rigs squared and sorted for particular 
> purposes. 
>
> Dustin — I'm not 100% but I think that might be a seat-tube mounted 
> folding lock that has a cage that mounts to the bottle bosses. 
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:13:33 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote:
>
>> I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie project 
>> and he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. Hopefully 
>> this 
>> will happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a daily commuter to 
>> complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy hauler, whereas 
>> the Charlie would be my "fast" commuter.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:11:56 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I sold 
>>> mine around the time of the last post, but recently bought it back from 
>>> the 
>>> friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it similarly 
>>> to 
>>> before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 saddle, triple 
>>> crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the same bars plugged 
>>> back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly ideal for my 
>>> everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first place - now 
>>> the 
>>> Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be 
>>> reconfigured 
>>> to focus on adventure and bikepacking. 
>>>
>>> I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's still 
>>> on the books?? 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: PXL_20230423_164506068.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm 
 extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near 
 the 
 the minimum insertion line 

 Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms so 
 maybe that will work better for me.

 Max
 On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote:

> [image: IMG_2063.jpg]
> [image: IMG_2064.jpg]
> [image: IMG_2076

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2023-04-24 Thread Pancake

Love mine with v-brakes - that’s what makes it perfect to me really so I’m 
thrilled I got a prototype. But they’re right about mini-v-brakes just not 
quite working. I tried 4 different models with different arm lengths 
(82-90mm) and it was never right: too much pull required to get pad to rim 
contact, but then too much mechanical advantage so very limited modulation. 

But with standard v-brakes (with linear pull / long pull) the bike shines. 
Modulation but also super stopping power that caliper and sidepull brakes 
can’t match. That’s why it is replacing my Sam instead of the Sam getting 
brake mounts welded on. 

I’ve probably put 2,000 miles of this bike and it’s almost always my go to: 
commuting or dirt or a century ride - I’d be happy with the proto-Charlie 
for any of those! 

Inverted albatross bars are perfect for 22.2mm v-brake lever clamps while 
giving a super shallow drop position. Bar ends mounted forward in the curve 
of the albatross bars gives a hood-like position I love too.

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

2023-04-24 Thread Tony Lockhart

Solid bike---glad that you got it back. I'm liking that drivetrain with the 
triple up front; you can tackle anything with this bike.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 8:00:09 PM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:

> Love mine with v-brakes - that’s what makes it perfect to me really so I’m 
> thrilled I got a prototype. But they’re right about mini-v-brakes just not 
> quite working. I tried 4 different models with different arm lengths 
> (82-90mm) and it was never right: too much pull required to get pad to rim 
> contact, but then too much mechanical advantage so very limited modulation. 
>
> But with standard v-brakes (with linear pull / long pull) the bike shines. 
> Modulation but also super stopping power that caliper and sidepull brakes 
> can’t match. That’s why it is replacing my Sam instead of the Sam getting 
> brake mounts welded on. 
>
> I’ve probably put 2,000 miles of this bike and it’s almost always my go 
> to: commuting or dirt or a century ride - I’d be happy with the 
> proto-Charlie for any of those! 
>
> Inverted albatross bars are perfect for 22.2mm v-brake lever clamps while 
> giving a super shallow drop position. Bar ends mounted forward in the curve 
> of the albatross bars gives a hood-like position I love too.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

2023-04-24 Thread Tony Lockhart

Count me in. 

I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't browsed 
this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I wanted to go 
on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 626 Golden 
Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up with some 
other folks, especially since some of the newer Rivs look drastically 
different.

Cheers,
Tony

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
> I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would love to 
> join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done around my 
> availability.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
>
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.
>> Has he seen this yet?
>>
>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to 
>>> do the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a 
>>> Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with 
>>> a cafe stop or two thrown in. 
>>>
>>> I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my LA 
>>> daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread with 
>>> interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith 
>>> Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of climbing! 
>>> But it's beautiful and fun.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 
>>>
>>

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