[RBW] WTB: Nitto Bosco Bullmoose 54cm

[Jan O.]

Hi all,

Does anyone have a 54cm Bosco Bullmoose bar they'd like to sell? Please 
email me off list if you have one available.

Thank you

Jan
San Francisco, CA

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Good luck to all who will be vying for a Rosco Plat today! If you miss out, 
comfort yourselves with the arrival of the new Platypuses this fall. But I 
do hope you get the Rosco, if that's what your heart wants. Whichever you 
get, you won't be disappointed. There's magic in the Rivendell mixtes, and 
like Pam Murray once said to me, Every mile on a Rivendell mixte is a 
golden mile. After nearly 70,000 miles, she should know.

Please let us know if and what you get today!

Leah

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 6:13:58 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> I like both colors! Tough choice but since I have a Lime Green Clem I 
> would choose Anapurple...if I were to buy one
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:51:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent a 
>> pic of the green one with this text: 
>> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>>
>> Joe and Skye Bernard 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Matt Beecher]

I'd really like bike like this for a drop bar build, but I just could not 
pull the trigger without knowing the top tube length.  My guess is that 
this is designed for upright riding only, which seems to be the way Riv is 
trending.  Good luck to all those who pick this up.  It looks like a nice 
design.  

Matt

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:58:01 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Good luck to all who will be vying for a Rosco Plat today! If you miss 
> out, comfort yourselves with the arrival of the new Platypuses this fall. 
> But I do hope you get the Rosco, if that's what your heart wants. Whichever 
> you get, you won't be disappointed. There's magic in the Rivendell mixtes, 
> and like Pam Murray once said to me, Every mile on a Rivendell mixte is a 
> golden mile. After nearly 70,000 miles, she should know.
>
> Please let us know if and what you get today!
>
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 6:13:58 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I like both colors! Tough choice but since I have a Lime Green Clem I 
>> would choose Anapurple...if I were to buy one
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:51:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent a 
>>> pic of the green one with this text: 
>>> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>>>
>>> Joe and Skye Bernard 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Grilver Close-up Photos Request

[Doug H.]

I had a Clem Grilver frameset that I never built up and eventually sold but 
here are a few photos Clem Grilver 
  The lighting isn't great so 
you may not be able to see the color well enough to emulate.
Doug

On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 8:07:56 PM UTC-4 Erik wrote:

> Afternoon Folks,  
>
> I'm preparing a Riv for new paint job and am interested in trying to get 
> the something similar to the "grilver" that was used on the old Clems and 
> Roadini's until recently.  I realize that the "grilver" term was also used 
> for an older color that was less metallic and more greenish in addition to 
> the more recent "grilver" used on the Roadinis, Frank Jones, etc that is a 
> dark metallic gray.   
>
> Does anyone have photos posted online showing a close up of their grilver 
> Clem or Roadini?  Or would be willing to take and post some high quality 
> close up shots? I have some photos, but nothing hi-res enough to get an 
> idea of the metallic sheen or grain size for the flakes.  I want to be able 
> to explain it accurately to the painter to get as close a match as 
> possible.  I know the color is a bit less grainy than standard flaked metal 
> colors. I remember it being a gorgeous crystalline graphite color and sheen 
> when I saw a Roadini in person, but would love a good reference photo.   
>
> Or if you've had a paint job done with this color and know the closest 
> Dupont color code, that would be swell as well.   
>
> Thanks!
>
> Erik  
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Johnny Alien]

With a short stem length almost any Riv can be set up with drop bars.

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:03:42 AM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:

> I'd really like bike like this for a drop bar build, but I just could not 
> pull the trigger without knowing the top tube length.  My guess is that 
> this is designed for upright riding only, which seems to be the way Riv is 
> trending.  Good luck to all those who pick this up.  It looks like a nice 
> design.  
>
> Matt
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:58:01 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Good luck to all who will be vying for a Rosco Plat today! If you miss 
>> out, comfort yourselves with the arrival of the new Platypuses this fall. 
>> But I do hope you get the Rosco, if that's what your heart wants. Whichever 
>> you get, you won't be disappointed. There's magic in the Rivendell mixtes, 
>> and like Pam Murray once said to me, Every mile on a Rivendell mixte is a 
>> golden mile. After nearly 70,000 miles, she should know.
>>
>> Please let us know if and what you get today!
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 6:13:58 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I like both colors! Tough choice but since I have a Lime Green Clem I 
>>> would choose Anapurple...if I were to buy one
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 5:51:56 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent a 
 pic of the green one with this text: 
 "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."

 https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august

 Joe and Skye Bernard 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bosco Bullmoose 54cm

[Bones]

Heads up, Blue Lug just restocked these in 54mm and 58mm 
. 
Shipping will no doubt be bonkers but at $91.66, I'm sure it will come in 
well under retail price at Riv (if they ever get them again).

Bones

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 4:20:14 AM UTC-4 jan.ot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone have a 54cm Bosco Bullmoose bar they'd like to sell? Please 
> email me off list if you have one available.
>
> Thank you
>
> Jan
> San Francisco, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Still FS: Rich Lesnik Phil Wood 650B Wheelset

[Karl]

DM sent!

On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 5:36:39 PM UTC+2 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Sending this again. Some interest from the first posting, but these wheels 
> are still waiting for new adventures.
>
> 135mm spacing at the rear can be easily converted with a new Phil Wood 
> axle piece. 
>
> Wrong price? Make me an offer!
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
>
>
> Offering a set of Rich Lesnik-built 650B wheels. Synergy rims on Phil Wood 
> slotted hubs, DT stainless spokes (32H). Includes a 9-speed cassette and 
> the Panaracer Gravel King tires that are currently on the rims.
>
> Super nice wheels. I’ve used these intermittently for a few years, and 
> have never had to some much has touch them with a spoke wrench. Very 
> strong, very straight and true.
>
> $500 shipped in the USA via BikeFlights. 
>
> Selling these because I converted my Road Standard back to 700C, and I 
> don’t want them to hang around and gather dust.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
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> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[James Valiensi]

I remember when Rivendell used to be cool…
Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was on a 
job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this morning, 
and the bike is sold out.
Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order enough 
bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No financial 
excuses, people are pre-paying. 
I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for money or 
sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve bought several 
other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and visit many times. 
But now I’m pissed and done with them. 

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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Eric Daume]

They’re marked sold out, but the presale doesn’t start until noon PST
today. Marking them “sold out” is just a way to get the web site up for the
pre sale.

Regarding volume, I expect they have to balance cash flow vs expected
demand vs factory allotment.

Eric

On Thursday, July 14, 2022, James Valiensi  wrote:

> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool…
> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious.
> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was
> on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this
> morning, and the bike is sold out.
> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order
> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No
> financial excuses, people are pre-paying.
> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for
> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve
> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and
> visit many times.
> But now I’m pissed and done with them.
>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Danny]

James, the pre-sale is today at noon pacific time.

https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august

-Danny

On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 8:51 AM James Valiensi  wrote:

> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool…
> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious.
> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was
> on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this
> morning, and the bike is sold out.
> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order
> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No
> financial excuses, people are pre-paying.
> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for
> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve
> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and
> visit many times.
> But now I’m pissed and done with them.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Bill Lindsay]

James

The email I received from Rivendell indicated that the pre-sale begins on 
Thursday July 14th at noon Pacific.  That is about 5 hours from now (it is 
now 7AM Pacific on Thursday July 14th).  I think "Sold Out" is the expected 
status for a pre-sale opportunity that has not yet started.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool…
> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was 
> on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
> morning, and the bike is sold out.
> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
> visit many times. 
> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Bill Lindsay]

Should we email him off-list also?  In case he left in a huff?

BL in EC

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:57:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> James
>
> The email I received from Rivendell indicated that the pre-sale begins on 
> Thursday July 14th at noon Pacific.  That is about 5 hours from now (it is 
> now 7AM Pacific on Thursday July 14th).  I think "Sold Out" is the expected 
> status for a pre-sale opportunity that has not yet started.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was 
>> on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
>> morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
>> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
>> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
>> visit many times. 
>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Joe Mullins]

James,

As everyone mentioned, sale is today and Riv has sent out many emails stating 
this. 

I know that the folks at Riv wish they could make everyone happy and get a bike 
to everyone who wants one. They’ve been very open about their increasing costs 
both with manufacturing and shipping as well as the challenge of making these 
bikes available to all who want them with the increased demand. They posted a 
photo of the BOL from one of the last shipments and I think the sea container 
cost over $15k or something crazy! Pre-pandemic a sea can was around $4k. I 
feel like they are doing their best to make everyone happy but that’s 
definitely hard to do these days. 

Joe

> On Jul 14, 2022, at 7:03 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Should we email him off-list also?  In case he left in a huff?
> 
> BL in EC
> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:57:14 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>> James
>> 
>> The email I received from Rivendell indicated that the pre-sale begins on 
>> Thursday July 14th at noon Pacific.  That is about 5 hours from now (it is 
>> now 7AM Pacific on Thursday July 14th).  I think "Sold Out" is the expected 
>> status for a pre-sale opportunity that has not yet started.  
>> 
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was 
>>> on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
>>> morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order enough 
>>> bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
>>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for money 
>>> or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve bought 
>>> several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and visit many 
>>> times. 
>>> But now I’m pissed and done with them.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Bill Lindsay]

The detail that we all SHOULD be pissed about is that they have made a 
R05C0 8U883 frame set with NO LIFT-A-TUBE!!!  It's gotta have a 
lift-a-tube!  That's an unforgiveable oversight.  

I'm kidding about being pissed
I'm not kidding that I loved the lift-a-tube on my two previous R05C0 8U883 
frames.  If they had asked me I would have told them to include the 
lift-a-tube.

BL in EC

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool…
> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was 
> on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
> morning, and the bike is sold out.
> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
> visit many times. 
> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Brian Forsee]

'The factory can make more' is a huge assumption that is likely not true in 
the current manufacturing/supply chain climate.

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:23:25 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The detail that we all SHOULD be pissed about is that they have made a 
> R05C0 8U883 frame set with NO LIFT-A-TUBE!!!  It's gotta have a 
> lift-a-tube!  That's an unforgiveable oversight.  
>
> I'm kidding about being pissed
> I'm not kidding that I loved the lift-a-tube on my two previous R05C0 
> 8U883 frames.  If they had asked me I would have told them to include the 
> lift-a-tube.
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was 
>> on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
>> morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
>> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
>> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
>> visit many times. 
>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Bill Lindsay]

"The factory can make more" is objectively FALSE in the case of the R05C0 
8U883.  The only reason these framesets exist is because the fork vendor 
screwed up.  If the fork vendor didn't screw up, there would be no frames.  
The number of Roscos on offer is equal to the number of screwed up forks*.  
To "make more" they'd have to ask the fork vendor to screw up some more 
forks

BL in EC

*the screw up was braze on placement, which is a tiny cosmetic error.  
Those forks are awesome and Rosco owners will be happy with them

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:31:50 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> 'The factory can make more' is a huge assumption that is likely not true 
> in the current manufacturing/supply chain climate.
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:23:25 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The detail that we all SHOULD be pissed about is that they have made a 
>> R05C0 8U883 frame set with NO LIFT-A-TUBE!!!  It's gotta have a 
>> lift-a-tube!  That's an unforgiveable oversight.  
>>
>> I'm kidding about being pissed
>> I'm not kidding that I loved the lift-a-tube on my two previous R05C0 
>> 8U883 frames.  If they had asked me I would have told them to include the 
>> lift-a-tube.
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I 
>>> was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until 
>>> this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
>>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
>>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
>>> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
>>> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
>>> visit many times. 
>>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Doug H.]

Rivendell does not mass produce frames, they build as many as they can 
afford to build without going into a lot of debt is my understanding. I've 
received several notifications by email and on Instagram about this presale 
so if I were planning to buy one I would be online today at 3:00 PM PST. I 
find their customer service to be very good. I like that they share during 
the design and manufacture of their frames details and thoughts about each 
particular model. I want what I want and I want it now isn't realistic with 
most things in life and I find that if I understand this and am 
appreciative of what I can get when I can get it my attitude drifts toward 
the positive end of the spectrum.
Cheers,
Doug

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:57:38 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "The factory can make more" is objectively FALSE in the case of the R05C0 
> 8U883.  The only reason these framesets exist is because the fork vendor 
> screwed up.  If the fork vendor didn't screw up, there would be no frames.  
> The number of Roscos on offer is equal to the number of screwed up forks*.  
> To "make more" they'd have to ask the fork vendor to screw up some more 
> forks
>
> BL in EC
>
> *the screw up was braze on placement, which is a tiny cosmetic error.  
> Those forks are awesome and Rosco owners will be happy with them
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:31:50 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 'The factory can make more' is a huge assumption that is likely not true 
>> in the current manufacturing/supply chain climate.
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:23:25 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The detail that we all SHOULD be pissed about is that they have made a 
>>> R05C0 8U883 frame set with NO LIFT-A-TUBE!!!  It's gotta have a 
>>> lift-a-tube!  That's an unforgiveable oversight.  
>>>
>>> I'm kidding about being pissed
>>> I'm not kidding that I loved the lift-a-tube on my two previous R05C0 
>>> 8U883 frames.  If they had asked me I would have told them to include the 
>>> lift-a-tube.
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
 Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
 I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I 
 was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until 
 this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
 Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
 enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. 
 No 
 financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
 I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
 money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
 bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
 visit many times. 
 But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Doug H.]

CORRECTION: The presale is scheduled for NOON Pacific.
Doug

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:32:32 AM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Rivendell does not mass produce frames, they build as many as they can 
> afford to build without going into a lot of debt is my understanding. I've 
> received several notifications by email and on Instagram about this presale 
> so if I were planning to buy one I would be online today at 3:00 PM PST. I 
> find their customer service to be very good. I like that they share during 
> the design and manufacture of their frames details and thoughts about each 
> particular model. I want what I want and I want it now isn't realistic with 
> most things in life and I find that if I understand this and am 
> appreciative of what I can get when I can get it my attitude drifts toward 
> the positive end of the spectrum.
> Cheers,
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:57:38 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "The factory can make more" is objectively FALSE in the case of the R05C0 
>> 8U883.  The only reason these framesets exist is because the fork vendor 
>> screwed up.  If the fork vendor didn't screw up, there would be no frames.  
>> The number of Roscos on offer is equal to the number of screwed up forks*.  
>> To "make more" they'd have to ask the fork vendor to screw up some more 
>> forks
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> *the screw up was braze on placement, which is a tiny cosmetic error.  
>> Those forks are awesome and Rosco owners will be happy with them
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:31:50 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> 'The factory can make more' is a huge assumption that is likely not true 
>>> in the current manufacturing/supply chain climate.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:23:25 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 The detail that we all SHOULD be pissed about is that they have made a 
 R05C0 8U883 frame set with NO LIFT-A-TUBE!!!  It's gotta have a 
 lift-a-tube!  That's an unforgiveable oversight.  

 I'm kidding about being pissed
 I'm not kidding that I loved the lift-a-tube on my two previous R05C0 
 8U883 frames.  If they had asked me I would have told them to include the 
 lift-a-tube.

 BL in EC

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I 
> was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until 
> this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. 
> No 
> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
> visit many times. 
> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 



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[RBW] 1400 Derailers

[E. Ricky Creek]

Apparently Riv has sold out of 1400 of their stubby front derailers. I know 
that isn't true. I'm sure they ordered that number and they will be coming 
in shipments and some are held back for builds, but I was bummed to see 
that they are sold out. 



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[RBW] Re: 1400 Derailers

[Ryan Frahm]

I was close to ordering one and noticed they were gone! I was surprised but 
maybe people just bought several to have on hand. Manual front shifting is 
actually fine for me because I have a nice gear range with the 13-42. 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:16:39 AM UTC-7 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> Apparently Riv has sold out of 1400 of their stubby front derailers. I 
> know that isn't true. I'm sure they ordered that number and they will be 
> coming in shipments and some are held back for builds, but I was bummed to 
> see that they are sold out. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Grilver Close-up Photos Request

[Erik]

Thank you, both!  The photos are helpful.  

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:39:36 AM UTC-7 Erik Wright wrote:

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[RBW] Re: 1400 Derailers

[Bill Lindsay]

If either of you are desperate for one, let me know.  I bought a huge bike 
box from Riv to prepare a shipment, ended up not using the box and returned 
it to Rivendell.  Rather than make them go through the hassle of a refund 
for what was my issue, I bought one of the skeleton key front derailers for 
my own inventory.  I don't desperately need it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:16:39 AM UTC-7 E. Ricky Creek wrote:

> Apparently Riv has sold out of 1400 of their stubby front derailers. I 
> know that isn't true. I'm sure they ordered that number and they will be 
> coming in shipments and some are held back for builds, but I was bummed to 
> see that they are sold out. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1400 Derailers

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you Bill! I was just going to order it to have, so I’m sure someone 
needs it more than me. 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> If either of you are desperate for one, let me know.  I bought a huge bike 
> box from Riv to prepare a shipment, ended up not using the box and returned 
> it to Rivendell.  Rather than make them go through the hassle of a refund 
> for what was my issue, I bought one of the skeleton key front derailers for 
> my own inventory.  I don't desperately need it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:16:39 AM UTC-7 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> Apparently Riv has sold out of 1400 of their stubby front derailers. I 
>> know that isn't true. I'm sure they ordered that number and they will be 
>> coming in shipments and some are held back for builds, but I was bummed to 
>> see that they are sold out. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Joe Bernard]

James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page you 
landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this thread has 
presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool…
> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was 
> on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
> morning, and the bike is sold out.
> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
> visit many times. 
> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[James Valiensi]

I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?

The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build excitement 
and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.

I want no part of this.

> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page you 
> landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this thread has 
> presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
> 
> Joe Bernard 
> 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was on 
> a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
> morning, and the bike is sold out. 
> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order enough 
> bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for money 
> or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve bought 
> several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and visit many 
> times. 
> But now I’m pissed and done with them.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Garth]

Sheesh James, did you not read any replies here about the sale not 
happening until 1 hour and 20 minutes from now ?  Or, is that story of 
"whoa is me" so entertaining that you're gonna miss it for real this time ! 


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[RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale thread 
better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the frame they 
want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a nice day! 
🙋‍♂️🙂 
Joe Bernard 

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent a 
> pic of the green one with this text: 
> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>
> Joe and Skye Bernard 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Doug H.]

A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
Doug

On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale thread
> better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the frame they
> want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a nice day!
> 🙋‍♂️🙂
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent a
>> pic of the green one with this text:
>> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>>
>> Joe and Skye Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Joe Bernard]

A word about "pre-sale lottery", it's the same as if they quietly put the 
frames on the site and took orders until they sold out. This way everybody 
knows when to order instead of just checking a website and hoping they're 
there. I don't understand the verklemptitude here. 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:43:42 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

>
>
> Sheesh James, did you not read any replies here about the sale not 
> happening until 1 hour and 20 minutes from now ?  Or, is that story of 
> "whoa is me" so entertaining that you're gonna miss it for real this time ! 
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Brian Forsee]

I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a short stem 
but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set up. Not good or 
bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs they have been 
favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and had hoped to 
put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not sure I'll be 
able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so from an 
aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
> Doug
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale thread 
>> better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the frame they 
>> want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a nice day! 
>> 🙋‍♂️🙂 
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent a 
>>> pic of the green one with this text: 
>>> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>>>
>>> Joe and Skye Bernard 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Wald basket rusting. Equivalent in stainless steel? Or how to prevent rust?

[greenteadrinkers]

Speaking of baskets, has anyone used the racer model? thoughts? Thinking of 
getting one for my SimpleOne.

Thanks,
Scott

On Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 10:39:52 AM UTC-4 amill...@gmail.com wrote:

> A quick search shows lots of stainless steel baskets, often used in 
> commercial kitchen settings, available for purchase but probably not MUSA. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
> On Jul 12, 2022, at 14:30, lconley  wrote:
>
> Now this is a solution! I would go ahead and get a new Wald and 
> plasti-dip it, as Jon said, you have gotten your money out of this one.
>
> Bonus is that plasti-dip is available in colors! You can dip your brake 
> levers to match your basket and..
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 4:25:07 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> After either cleaning or a replacement, there's always that plasti dip 
>> stuff. I've read of someone doing it before after cleaning a rust Wald with 
>> Dawn and steel wool. It not only seals the steel, it would provide some 
>> grip and it wouldn't make any noise or grind away at a rack if it's sitting 
>> on one. The liquid or the spray would work. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[George Schick]

Another thing they said in the pre-sale email was that they're introducing 
a 10% re-stocking fee.  I don't blame them.  Other businesses have had 
re-stocking charges for their products for many years.  There's a good 
reason for that.  Also, I'm reading in the news lately that it costs 
businesses (especially big box retailers like Wal-Mart and Home Depot) more 
to refund a customer and place a product back into inventory than the 
profit they make on it in the first place - so they're simply going to stop 
taking back returned merchandise, refund or no.  No surprise there, 
either.  Many people have abused the "easy returns" policy that retailers 
have had for a long time.


On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:12:42 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> A word about "pre-sale lottery", it's the same as if they quietly put the 
> frames on the site and took orders until they sold out. This way everybody 
> knows when to order instead of just checking a website and hoping they're 
> there. I don't understand the verklemptitude here. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:43:42 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sheesh James, did you not read any replies here about the sale not 
>> happening until 1 hour and 20 minutes from now ?  Or, is that story of 
>> "whoa is me" so entertaining that you're gonna miss it for real this time ! 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Daniel MacPherson]

I fixed the squealing on my Susie by toeing in the Kool Stop pads just 
now.  It's worth the try if you are getting annoyed by the constant 
screech. 


Sincerely, 

Daniel M

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Good to know the Salmon pads squeal for lots of people. This isn't my 
> first fight with salmon pads on motolites, but it's the first time I asked 
> about it. I'll just swap out the pads like usual, and there will prob be a 
> free for shipping salmon pads post here once I get everything sorted out. I 
> have at least 2 sets to get rid of now.
>
> Wally, the dual compound mountain pads are my go to. I haven't had any 
> problems with them squealing before. There must be something about the 
> shape of the thinlines that leads to the squeal.
>
> Paul
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:59:35 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm running Paul Motolites and the Kool Stop mountain pads, in salmon, 
>> for my Gus.  No issues for fit or squealing.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:30:18 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> I have found that the thin line salmons, when working, are great pads 
>>> but by far the fussiest to setup. Getting them to be quiet can require such 
>>> ludicrous amounts of toe-in that the pad wont last more than 1000 miles. 
>>> One trick that has worked previously worked is cleaning the pads themselves 
>>> with isopropyl and then with hot detergent water. Not one or the other. 
>>> Both, in that order.
>>> I am trying the grey cheapy pads that riv started selling with 
>>> Neo-retros on my Susie and the setup was painless, and the braking is far 
>>> improved to my previous experience with Neo-retros.
>>> Sometimes everything just works, sometimes It doesn't, and if I could 
>>> tell which was which in advance I'd never learn anything.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB - Nitto Faceplater stem, 120-130ish 25.4 clamp.

[Cal Patterson]

Bump, still looking if anyone out there has a long length faceplater stem!

Thanks,
Calvin

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 10:08:32 AM UTC-7 Cal Patterson wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> If anyone's got one they'd part with, I am looking for a Nitto faceplater 
> stem, either the tigged one (FW30?) or that beautiful fillet one, in a 
> 110-120-130ish longer length, to clamp down these Billie bars. Thanks!
>
> -Calvin
>
> ccp621 at gmail dot com
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[RBW] Re: New 650b Rims from Crust

[Slin]

BTW, I just saw Russ from Path Less Pedaled gave the wheels a quick 
positive review when he tried them on the Crust Lightning Bolt.

He basically says they're affordable, light-ish, and it's nice to have 
another rim-brake, tubeless compatible option out there.

https://youtu.be/Q2vU_p1bNZg?t=90

On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:23:49 PM UTC-7 Slin wrote:

> Thanks all for sharing your experiences. I'm still leaning towards getting 
> a set to use tubeless, but now I'll know to expect to have to true them up 
> early.
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-7 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve been using the 700c version of these for a few months on several 
>> different bikes. The rear did go out of true not too long after I got them. 
>> I was as kind of surprised, but trued them up and no problems since. I 
>> liked the price point too with the front hub. I was able to set them up 
>> tubeless with no problems either. 
>> Lance
>>
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-6 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> You are correct, Drew.  The rh is no louder than a White rh, but much 
>>> louder than a 105 or Deore rh.  It is what it is.  What I failed to mention 
>>> was how nice the dynamo front hub is at this price point I like the 
>>> wheelset a bunch.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 3:04:36 PM UTC-6 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 I have a pair on a fairly new crust romanceur, and i like them quite a 
 bit. rear hub is no louder than a white industry hub i have on another 
 bike. I really like the SP generator hub, i think it's a good value. 

 I am curious if the spoke tensioning holds up. I probably have about 
 100 miles on them. 

 On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:07:36 AM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com wrote:

> I own a set of the Crust wheels on my Canti Lightning bolt, and 
> they’re just fine, although the rear hub is loud.  Mine are the 650b 
> size, 
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:11:41 AM UTC-6 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> I have a pair of the 700c complete wheelsets and I probably put them 
>> through more rough stuff than they were intended to be on. 
>>
>> I've ridden them for about 500-600 miles, about 40% gravel (nothing 
>> super rough) and 60% road in the Oakland/Berkeley Hills. I ride my bikes 
>> kind of hard, with a lot of out of the saddle, high torque efforts. I'm 
>> never riding any trails that I'd be more comfortable on a front 
>> suspension 
>> bike on. The wheels were machine built, so they went out of true rather 
>> quickly which was expected. At ~200 miles, I gave them a little touch 
>> true 
>> to keep them laterally true. But shortly after (~70 miles later), they 
>> went 
>> out of true again, and I attributed this to my lack of experience truing 
>> wheels, it being machine-built wheel, how light the rim is, and/or how 
>> hard 
>> i'm pushing them. 
>>
>> An acquaintance mentioned that he had to true his wheelset about 5 
>> times before they stayed true. I'm not super well equipped to true 
>> wheels 
>> appropriately, so this would have gotten expensive for me to get a shop 
>> to 
>> do this regularly, so I just got them detensioned/retensioned by a 
>> trusted 
>> wheel builder. The wheel builder mentioned that the rear hub is a bit 
>> crunchy already and he suggested I replace the bearings and clean out 
>> the 
>> internals to get 'em smooth again. I wasn't thrilled to hear that, but 
>> it's 
>> all good. 
>>
>> Anyways, the wheels are light and really responsive, I like how 
>> quickly they spin up, and they're priced really well. But since I'm not 
>> a 
>> wheelbuilder-type, I think this is the last machine-built wheelset I 
>> ever 
>> buy. The wheels were pretty, light, and cheap-ish. But as a friend says, 
>> strong, light, cheap; you can only pick two. 
>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:27:51 PM UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have any on-bike experience with the Crust wheelsets? 
>>> I'm curious about them.
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 2:53:16 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 Heyo,

 I think this has been brought up in the past, but Crust recently 
 designed some new 650b wheels/rims that are a good alternative to the 
 Pacenti Brevets and Velocity Quills that serve as excellent rims for 
 lighter Rivendell builds.

 Anywho, they are now available to purchase as separate rims rather 
 than part of the wheelset...the only downside being you can get any 
 drilling you want, as long as its 32h.

 Crust Rim Brake Rims – Crust Bikes 
 

 Cheers,
 Collin in "subsiding, but not from earthqua

Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[esoterica etc]

Also, using the term "lottery" for the sale of the Rosco-Platy is inaccurate. 
Riv has in the past done a lottery drawing for highly-anticipated frames (I 
think they did this on the last Clem-L run), where they knew that they had way 
more demand than they could supply. They tried what they thought would be the 
fairest, most egalitarian method of selling that frame, which was a lottery 
method. You put your name in the hat, and if your name was drawn you had a week 
(I think) to pay for your frame. If you didn't, they contacted the next 
name drawn. Seems like a pretty fair way to ensure everyone had an equal 
opportunity to score one. 

And kudos to Joe for coining a new word- gonna have to try and work that in to 
my conversation sometime this week. Cheers!

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Jul 14, 2022, at 14:12, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> A word about "pre-sale lottery", it's the same as if they quietly put the 
> frames on the site and took orders until they sold out. This way everybody 
> knows when to order instead of just checking a website and hoping they're 
> there. I don't understand the verklemptitude here. 
> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:43:42 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sheesh James, did you not read any replies here about the sale not happening 
>> until 1 hour and 20 minutes from now ?  Or, is that story of "whoa is me" so 
>> entertaining that you're gonna miss it for real this time ! 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platypus Presale

[Bill Lindsay]

It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm going to 
leave it for you to buy though

BL in EC, hitting refresh

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>
> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>
> I want no part of this.
>
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page you 
> landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this thread has 
> presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was 
>> on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
>> morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
>> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
>> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
>> visit many times. 
>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>
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[RBW] Re: New 650b Rims from Crust

[Bill Lindsay]

Buy the rims and have a good wheelbuilder build them up for you!  I've got 
a Crust bike, and I'm thinking I'll buy some 700c rims and rebuild my 
wheelset.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:48:13 AM UTC-7 Slin wrote:

> BTW, I just saw Russ from Path Less Pedaled gave the wheels a quick 
> positive review when he tried them on the Crust Lightning Bolt.
>
> He basically says they're affordable, light-ish, and it's nice to have 
> another rim-brake, tubeless compatible option out there.
>
> https://youtu.be/Q2vU_p1bNZg?t=90
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 12:23:49 PM UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for sharing your experiences. I'm still leaning towards 
>> getting a set to use tubeless, but now I'll know to expect to have to true 
>> them up early.
>>
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:02:56 PM UTC-7 lwt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been using the 700c version of these for a few months on several 
>>> different bikes. The rear did go out of true not too long after I got them. 
>>> I was as kind of surprised, but trued them up and no problems since. I 
>>> liked the price point too with the front hub. I was able to set them up 
>>> tubeless with no problems either. 
>>> Lance
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-6 leva...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 You are correct, Drew.  The rh is no louder than a White rh, but much 
 louder than a 105 or Deore rh.  It is what it is.  What I failed to 
 mention 
 was how nice the dynamo front hub is at this price point I like the 
 wheelset a bunch.

 On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 3:04:36 PM UTC-6 Drew Henson wrote:

> I have a pair on a fairly new crust romanceur, and i like them quite a 
> bit. rear hub is no louder than a white industry hub i have on another 
> bike. I really like the SP generator hub, i think it's a good value. 
>
> I am curious if the spoke tensioning holds up. I probably have about 
> 100 miles on them. 
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:07:36 AM UTC-7 leva...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I own a set of the Crust wheels on my Canti Lightning bolt, and 
>> they’re just fine, although the rear hub is loud.  Mine are the 650b 
>> size, 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:11:41 AM UTC-6 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>>
>>> I have a pair of the 700c complete wheelsets and I probably put them 
>>> through more rough stuff than they were intended to be on. 
>>>
>>> I've ridden them for about 500-600 miles, about 40% gravel (nothing 
>>> super rough) and 60% road in the Oakland/Berkeley Hills. I ride my 
>>> bikes 
>>> kind of hard, with a lot of out of the saddle, high torque efforts. I'm 
>>> never riding any trails that I'd be more comfortable on a front 
>>> suspension 
>>> bike on. The wheels were machine built, so they went out of true rather 
>>> quickly which was expected. At ~200 miles, I gave them a little touch 
>>> true 
>>> to keep them laterally true. But shortly after (~70 miles later), they 
>>> went 
>>> out of true again, and I attributed this to my lack of experience 
>>> truing 
>>> wheels, it being machine-built wheel, how light the rim is, and/or how 
>>> hard 
>>> i'm pushing them. 
>>>
>>> An acquaintance mentioned that he had to true his wheelset about 5 
>>> times before they stayed true. I'm not super well equipped to true 
>>> wheels 
>>> appropriately, so this would have gotten expensive for me to get a shop 
>>> to 
>>> do this regularly, so I just got them detensioned/retensioned by a 
>>> trusted 
>>> wheel builder. The wheel builder mentioned that the rear hub is a bit 
>>> crunchy already and he suggested I replace the bearings and clean out 
>>> the 
>>> internals to get 'em smooth again. I wasn't thrilled to hear that, but 
>>> it's 
>>> all good. 
>>>
>>> Anyways, the wheels are light and really responsive, I like how 
>>> quickly they spin up, and they're priced really well. But since I'm not 
>>> a 
>>> wheelbuilder-type, I think this is the last machine-built wheelset I 
>>> ever 
>>> buy. The wheels were pretty, light, and cheap-ish. But as a friend 
>>> says, 
>>> strong, light, cheap; you can only pick two. 
>>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:27:51 PM UTC-7 Slin wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone have any on-bike experience with the Crust wheelsets? 
 I'm curious about them.

 S

 On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 2:53:16 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Heyo,
>
> I think this has been brought up in the past, but Crust recently 
> designed some new 650b wheels/rims that are a good alternative to the 
> Pacenti Brevets and Velocity Quills that serve as excellent rims for 
> lighter Rivendell builds.
>
> Anywho, th

Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Eric Daume]

Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down to 2-3
left though.

On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm going to
> leave it for you to buy though
>
> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>>
>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build
>> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>>
>> I want no part of this.
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page you
>> landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this thread has
>> presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool…
>>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious.
>>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I
>>> was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until
>>> this morning, and the bike is sold out.
>>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order
>>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No
>>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying.
>>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for
>>> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve
>>> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and
>>> visit many times.
>>> But now I’m pissed and done with them.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Bill Lindsay]

six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down to 
> 2-3 left though. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm going 
>> to leave it for you to buy though
>>
>> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>>>
>>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
>>> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>>>
>>> I want no part of this.
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page 
>>> you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this thread 
>>> has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
 Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
 I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I 
 was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until 
 this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
 Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
 enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. 
 No 
 financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
 I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
 money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
 bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
 visit many times. 
 But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Will Ashe]

I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down to 
>> 2-3 left though. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm going 
>>> to leave it for you to buy though
>>>
>>> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?

 The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
 excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.

 I want no part of this.

 On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

 James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page 
 you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this thread 
 has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I 
> was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until 
> this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. 
> No 
> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
> visit many times. 
> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 


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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[James Valiensi]

Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. They 
cannot keep up with demand. 
They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They even 
had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to successfully 
purchase a watch. 
I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
calling into a radio station for tickets. 
The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale never went 
live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what happened and 
announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t get the email to 
many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not happy. I complained 
and many others did too, because they found a better way.

Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name to the 
list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when its your 
turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 48-hr window 
to make the purchase.

This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support them.


> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
> 
> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
> 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
> 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down to 2-3 
> left though. 
> 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay > wrote:
> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm going to 
> leave it for you to buy though
> 
> BL in EC, hitting refresh
> 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
> 
> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build excitement 
> and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
> 
> I want no part of this.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page you 
>> landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this thread has 
>> presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>> 
>> Joe Bernard 
>> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I was on 
>> a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until this 
>> morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order enough 
>> bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. No 
>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for money 
>> or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve bought 
>> several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and visit many 
>> times. 
>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Bill Lindsay]

Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it costs 
me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  

I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether #5995 
corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...

Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are available to 
pre-order right now...  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. They 
> cannot keep up with demand. 
> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They 
> even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
> successfully purchase a watch. 
> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
> minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
> calling into a radio station for tickets. 
> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale never 
> went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what 
> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not 
> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
> way.
>
> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name to 
> the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when its 
> your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 
> 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>
> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support 
> them.
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>
> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down to 
>>> 2-3 left though. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm going 
 to leave it for you to buy though

 BL in EC, hitting refresh

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>
> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>
> I want no part of this.
>
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page 
> you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this thread 
> has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I 
>> was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until 
>> this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. 
>> No 
>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
>> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
>> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
>> visit many times. 
>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Joe Bernard]

I hope you bought a frame. As of 1:15pm pst only one size in one color is 
sold out. 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. They 
> cannot keep up with demand. 
> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They 
> even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
> successfully purchase a watch. 
> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
> minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
> calling into a radio station for tickets. 
> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale never 
> went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what 
> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not 
> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
> way.
>
> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name to 
> the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when its 
> your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 
> 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>
> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support 
> them.
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>
> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down to 
>>> 2-3 left though. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm going 
 to leave it for you to buy though

 BL in EC, hitting refresh

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>
> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>
> I want no part of this.
>
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page 
> you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this thread 
> has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. I 
>> was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet until 
>> this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another shipment. 
>> No 
>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked for 
>> money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. I’ve 
>> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
>> visit many times. 
>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[esoterica etc]

Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC


> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it costs me 
> nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
> 
> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether #5995 
> corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
> 
> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are available to 
> pre-order right now...  
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. They 
>> cannot keep up with demand. 
>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They even 
>> had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to successfully 
>> purchase a watch. 
>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
>> minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
>> calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale never 
>> went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what 
>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t get 
>> the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not 
>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better way.
>> 
>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name to 
>> the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when its 
>> your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 48-hr 
>> window to make the purchase.
>> 
>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support them.
>> 
>> 
 On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
 
>>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>>> 
 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
 six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
 
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down to 
> 2-3 left though. 
> 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm going 
>> to leave it for you to buy though
>> 
>> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>> 
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>>> 
>>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
>>> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>>> 
>>> I want no part of this.
>>> 
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page 
 you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this 
 thread has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
 
 Joe Bernard 
 
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. 
>> I was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet 
>> until this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another 
>> shipment. No financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked 
>> for money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe 
>> A. I’ve bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop 
>> to buy and visit many times. 
>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Bill Lindsay]

Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll make 
sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
sanctimonious and greedy.  

Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 
>
> ~Mark 
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it costs 
> me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
>
>
> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
>
> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are available 
> to pre-order right now...  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. They 
>> cannot keep up with demand. 
>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They 
>> even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
>> successfully purchase a watch. 
>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
>> minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
>> calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
>> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what 
>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
>> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not 
>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
>> way.
>>
>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name 
>> to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when 
>> its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 
>> 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>>
>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support 
>> them.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>>
>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down to 
 2-3 left though. 

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm 
> going to leave it for you to buy though
>
> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>>
>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
>> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>>
>> I want no part of this.
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the page 
>> you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this 
>> thread 
>> has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
>>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
>>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. 
>>> I was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet 
>>> until 
>>> this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
>>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot order 
>>> enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another 
>>> shipment. No 
>>> financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
>>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked 
>>> for money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. 
>>> I’ve 
>>> bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
>>> visit many times. 
>>> But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[David Person]

Just means one more frame will be available for someone who truly wants one 
and will appreciate it.

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll make 
> sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
> sanctimonious and greedy.  
>
> Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 
>>
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it 
>> costs me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
>>
>>
>> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
>> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
>>
>> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are available 
>> to pre-order right now...  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. 
>>> They cannot keep up with demand. 
>>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They 
>>> even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
>>> successfully purchase a watch. 
>>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
>>> minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
>>> calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
>>> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what 
>>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
>>> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not 
>>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name 
>>> to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when 
>>> its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 
>>> 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>>>
>>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support 
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down 
> to 2-3 left though. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm 
>> going to leave it for you to buy though
>>
>> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>>>
>>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
>>> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>>>
>>> I want no part of this.
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the 
>>> page you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this 
>>> thread has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
 Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
 I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. 
 I was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet 
 until 
 this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
 Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot 
 order enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another 
 shipment. No financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
 I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked 
 for money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. 
 I’ve 
 bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
 visit many times. 
 But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Edwin W]

I like Rivendell a lot. I like that Helm system, too!

Edwin

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll make 
> sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
> sanctimonious and greedy.  
>
> Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 
>>
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it 
>> costs me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
>>
>>
>> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
>> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
>>
>> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are available 
>> to pre-order right now...  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. 
>>> They cannot keep up with demand. 
>>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They 
>>> even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
>>> successfully purchase a watch. 
>>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a few 
>>> minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old days of 
>>> calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
>>> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone what 
>>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
>>> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were not 
>>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name 
>>> to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when 
>>> its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 
>>> 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>>>
>>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support 
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down 
> to 2-3 left though. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm 
>> going to leave it for you to buy though
>>
>> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>>>
>>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
>>> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>>>
>>> I want no part of this.
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the 
>>> page you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of this 
>>> thread has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
 Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
 I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my wife. 
 I was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the internet 
 until 
 this morning, and the bike is sold out. 
 Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot 
 order enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have another 
 shipment. No financial excuses, people are pre-paying. 
 I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant asked 
 for money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell and a Joe A. 
 I’ve 
 bought several other models. I’ve drive from LA to his shop to buy and 
 visit many times. 
 But now I’m pissed and done with them. 
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, 
>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@google

Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Bill Lindsay]

I read the full text of the Helm list page more closely.  There is an 
estimate of how long it will take to get to my spot (#5995) on the list.  
They say their current burn rate through the list is an average of 150 per 
month.  So, in a mere 40 months (3-1/2 years) I will be given a 48-hour 
window in which I can elect to purchase a $300 watch.  If I was a sincere 
fanboy of Helm watches, I'm not certain I'd want to wait 3-1/2 years to 
purchase a watch.  In fact, maintaining a 3-1/2 year waiting list is a 
business activity I might call "false scarcity".  If I sincerely wanted to 
purchase a watch, I might even be pissed off about it.  The irony!

Raise your hand if you want to wait 3-1/2 years for your next off-the-peg 
bicycle frameset purchase

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:53:30 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:

> I like Rivendell a lot. I like that Helm system, too!
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll 
>> make sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
>> sanctimonious and greedy.  
>>
>> Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 
>>>
>>> ~Mark 
>>> Raleigh, NC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
>>> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it 
>>> costs me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
>>> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are available 
>>> to pre-order right now...  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. 
 They cannot keep up with demand. 
 They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. They 
 even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
 successfully purchase a watch. 
 I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a 
 few minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old 
 days of calling into a radio station for tickets. 
 The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
 never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone 
 what 
 happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
 get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were 
 not 
 happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
 way.

 Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your name 
 to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know when 
 its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out and a 
 48-hr window to make the purchase.

 This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support 
 them.


 On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:

 I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down 
>> to 2-3 left though. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>>> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm 
>>> going to leave it for you to buy though
>>>
>>> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>>
 I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?

 The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
 excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.

 I want no part of this.

 On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  
 wrote:

 James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the 
 page you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of 
 this 
 thread has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available yet. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… 
> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. 
> I had some interest in getting a

Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Joe Bernard]

I remember when the wait list for a Riv Custom was 3 years or more and THAT 
was a long time. I sure wouldn't put myself on that list for a production 
frame, and as for the watch (briefly looks at upper left corner of watch 
I'm typing on) it's 2:37pm. 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:21:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I read the full text of the Helm list page more closely.  There is an 
> estimate of how long it will take to get to my spot (#5995) on the list.  
> They say their current burn rate through the list is an average of 150 per 
> month.  So, in a mere 40 months (3-1/2 years) I will be given a 48-hour 
> window in which I can elect to purchase a $300 watch.  If I was a sincere 
> fanboy of Helm watches, I'm not certain I'd want to wait 3-1/2 years to 
> purchase a watch.  In fact, maintaining a 3-1/2 year waiting list is a 
> business activity I might call "false scarcity".  If I sincerely wanted to 
> purchase a watch, I might even be pissed off about it.  The irony!
>
> Raise your hand if you want to wait 3-1/2 years for your next off-the-peg 
> bicycle frameset purchase
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:53:30 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> I like Rivendell a lot. I like that Helm system, too!
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll 
>>> make sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
>>> sanctimonious and greedy.  
>>>
>>> Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 

 ~Mark 
 Raleigh, NC


 On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

 Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it 
 costs me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  


 I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
 #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...

 Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are 
 available to pre-order right now...  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. 
> They cannot keep up with demand. 
> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. 
> They even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
> successfully purchase a watch. 
> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a 
> few minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old 
> days of calling into a radio station for tickets. 
> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone 
> what 
> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were 
> not 
> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
> way.
>
> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your 
> name to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you know 
> when its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back out 
> and a 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>
> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that support 
> them.
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>
> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are down 
>>> to 2-3 left though. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm 
 going to leave it for you to buy though

 BL in EC, hitting refresh

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi 
 wrote:

> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that?
>
> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to build 
> excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it.
>
> I want no part of this.
>
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard  
> wrote:
>
> James, how did you determine they were alr

Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Bill Lindsay]

Joe, it's true... I haven't worn a watch in many years.  My company gives 
away a watch for 10-year service anniversary, and I didn't even bother 
trying it on.  It's in a drawer somewhere.  LOL. 

Bill "watch watcher" Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:37:44 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I remember when the wait list for a Riv Custom was 3 years or more and 
> THAT was a long time. I sure wouldn't put myself on that list for a 
> production frame, and as for the watch (briefly looks at upper left corner 
> of watch I'm typing on) it's 2:37pm. 
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:21:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I read the full text of the Helm list page more closely.  There is an 
>> estimate of how long it will take to get to my spot (#5995) on the list.  
>> They say their current burn rate through the list is an average of 150 per 
>> month.  So, in a mere 40 months (3-1/2 years) I will be given a 48-hour 
>> window in which I can elect to purchase a $300 watch.  If I was a sincere 
>> fanboy of Helm watches, I'm not certain I'd want to wait 3-1/2 years to 
>> purchase a watch.  In fact, maintaining a 3-1/2 year waiting list is a 
>> business activity I might call "false scarcity".  If I sincerely wanted to 
>> purchase a watch, I might even be pissed off about it.  The irony!
>>
>> Raise your hand if you want to wait 3-1/2 years for your next off-the-peg 
>> bicycle frameset purchase
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:53:30 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>
>>> I like Rivendell a lot. I like that Helm system, too!
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll 
 make sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
 sanctimonious and greedy.  

 Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" 
 Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

>
> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 
>
> ~Mark 
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it 
> costs me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
>
>
> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
>
> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are 
> available to pre-order right now...  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>
>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. 
>> They cannot keep up with demand. 
>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. 
>> They even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
>> successfully purchase a watch. 
>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a 
>> few minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old 
>> days of calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
>> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone 
>> what 
>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I didn’t 
>> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were 
>> not 
>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a better 
>> way.
>>
>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your 
>> name to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you 
>> know 
>> when its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back 
>> out 
>> and a 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>>
>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that 
>> support them.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>>
>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are 
 down to 2-3 left though. 

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> It's live right now.  It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart.  I'm 
> going to leave it for you to buy though
>
> BL in EC, hitting refresh
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James 

Re: [RBW] Rosco Platypus Presale

[Edwin W]

If there is a 3 year waiting list, the price is too low!

Give the people what they want!

Edwin

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 4:45:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Joe, it's true... I haven't worn a watch in many years.  My company gives 
> away a watch for 10-year service anniversary, and I didn't even bother 
> trying it on.  It's in a drawer somewhere.  LOL. 
>
> Bill "watch watcher" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:37:44 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I remember when the wait list for a Riv Custom was 3 years or more and 
>> THAT was a long time. I sure wouldn't put myself on that list for a 
>> production frame, and as for the watch (briefly looks at upper left corner 
>> of watch I'm typing on) it's 2:37pm. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:21:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I read the full text of the Helm list page more closely.  There is an 
>>> estimate of how long it will take to get to my spot (#5995) on the list.  
>>> They say their current burn rate through the list is an average of 150 per 
>>> month.  So, in a mere 40 months (3-1/2 years) I will be given a 48-hour 
>>> window in which I can elect to purchase a $300 watch.  If I was a sincere 
>>> fanboy of Helm watches, I'm not certain I'd want to wait 3-1/2 years to 
>>> purchase a watch.  In fact, maintaining a 3-1/2 year waiting list is a 
>>> business activity I might call "false scarcity".  If I sincerely wanted to 
>>> purchase a watch, I might even be pissed off about it.  The irony!
>>>
>>> Raise your hand if you want to wait 3-1/2 years for your next 
>>> off-the-peg bicycle frameset purchase
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:53:30 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote:
>>>
 I like Rivendell a lot. I like that Helm system, too!

 Edwin

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll 
> make sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as 
> sanctimonious and greedy.  
>
> Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" 
> Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. 
>>
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh, NC
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it 
>> costs me nothing, I signed up.  It works as he said.  
>>
>>
>> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list.  They provide no feedback on whether 
>> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years...
>>
>> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are 
>> available to pre-order right now...  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. 
>>> They cannot keep up with demand. 
>>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. 
>>> They even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to 
>>> successfully purchase a watch. 
>>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a 
>>> few minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old 
>>> days of calling into a radio station for tickets. 
>>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale 
>>> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone 
>>> what 
>>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I 
>>> didn’t 
>>> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were 
>>> not 
>>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a 
>>> better 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your 
>>> name to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you 
>>> know 
>>> when its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back 
>>> out 
>>> and a 48-hr window to make the purchase.
>>>
>>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that 
>>> support them.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe  wrote:
>>>
>>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out

 On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are 
> down to 2-3 left though. 
>

[RBW] Re: WTB - Nitto Faceplater stem, 120-130ish 25.4 clamp.

[Johnny Alien]

The Jim Stem is available and seems to be quite nice and slightly lower in 
price. Just an option. 120 and 25.4

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-5 Cal Patterson wrote:

> Bump, still looking if anyone out there has a long length faceplater stem!
>
> Thanks,
> Calvin
>
> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 10:08:32 AM UTC-7 Cal Patterson wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> If anyone's got one they'd part with, I am looking for a Nitto faceplater 
>> stem, either the tigged one (FW30?) or that beautiful fillet one, in a 
>> 110-120-130ish longer length, to clamp down these Billie bars. Thanks!
>>
>> -Calvin
>>
>> ccp621 at gmail dot com
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bosco Bullmoose 54cm

[Jan O.]

Thank you. I will check Blue Lug.

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:23:45 PM UTC+2 Bones wrote:

> Heads up, Blue Lug just restocked these in 54mm and 58mm 
> . 
> Shipping will no doubt be bonkers but at $91.66, I'm sure it will come in 
> well under retail price at Riv (if they ever get them again).
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB - Nitto Faceplater stem, 120-130ish 25.4 clamp.

[Lance Terry]

The 120/25.4s are sold out. I wanted also. Hope they restock soon. 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 4:47:14 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> The Jim Stem is available and seems to be quite nice and slightly lower in 
> price. Just an option. 120 and 25.4
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:46:22 PM UTC-5 Cal Patterson wrote:
>
>> Bump, still looking if anyone out there has a long length faceplater stem!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Calvin
>>
>> On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 10:08:32 AM UTC-7 Cal Patterson wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> If anyone's got one they'd part with, I am looking for a Nitto 
>>> faceplater stem, either the tigged one (FW30?) or that beautiful fillet 
>>> one, in a 110-120-130ish longer length, to clamp down these Billie bars. 
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Calvin
>>>
>>> ccp621 at gmail dot com
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

Still greens left in every size, both colors left in 60cm, 4:48pm pst 
7/14/22. AnaPurple is the popular one. 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:14:20 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a short 
> stem but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set up. Not 
> good or bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs they 
> have been favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and had 
> hoped to put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not sure 
> I'll be able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so from an 
> aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale thread 
>>> better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the frame they 
>>> want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a nice day! 
>>> 🙋‍♂️🙂 
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent a 
 pic of the green one with this text: 
 "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."

 https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august

 Joe and Skye Bernard 

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Re: [RBW] Hillibikes are so close!

[Ryan Frahm]

Good to know Daniel! I have the stock DXR pads on for now. Only have 100 
miles or so and I still have no grind or squeal. Something I have been 
annoyed with since going to disc brakes 15 or so years back. 
On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:44:03 AM UTC-7 Daniel MacPherson wrote:

> I fixed the squealing on my Susie by toeing in the Kool Stop pads just 
> now.  It's worth the try if you are getting annoyed by the constant 
> screech. 
>
>
> Sincerely, 
>
> Daniel M
>
> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-4 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> Good to know the Salmon pads squeal for lots of people. This isn't my 
>> first fight with salmon pads on motolites, but it's the first time I asked 
>> about it. I'll just swap out the pads like usual, and there will prob be a 
>> free for shipping salmon pads post here once I get everything sorted out. I 
>> have at least 2 sets to get rid of now.
>>
>> Wally, the dual compound mountain pads are my go to. I haven't had any 
>> problems with them squealing before. There must be something about the 
>> shape of the thinlines that leads to the squeal.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:59:35 AM UTC-5 wallye...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running Paul Motolites and the Kool Stop mountain pads, in salmon, 
>>> for my Gus.  No issues for fit or squealing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 6:30:18 AM UTC-4 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 I have found that the thin line salmons, when working, are great pads 
 but by far the fussiest to setup. Getting them to be quiet can require 
 such 
 ludicrous amounts of toe-in that the pad wont last more than 1000 miles. 
 One trick that has worked previously worked is cleaning the pads 
 themselves 
 with isopropyl and then with hot detergent water. Not one or the other. 
 Both, in that order.
 I am trying the grey cheapy pads that riv started selling with 
 Neo-retros on my Susie and the setup was painless, and the braking is far 
 improved to my previous experience with Neo-retros.
 Sometimes everything just works, sometimes It doesn't, and if I could 
 tell which was which in advance I'd never learn anything.

>>>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Bosco Bullmoose 54cm

[Joe A.]

I actually ended up buying a 58cm version to try out and compare to the 54 
Toscos that came with my Clem L. It came out to around $170 with shipping 
which is a good deal (I think)

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 4:04:20 PM UTC-7 jan.ot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you. I will check Blue Lug.
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:23:45 PM UTC+2 Bones wrote:
>
>> Heads up, Blue Lug just restocked these in 54mm and 58mm 
>> .
>>  
>> Shipping will no doubt be bonkers but at $91.66, I'm sure it will come in 
>> well under retail price at Riv (if they ever get them again).
>>
>> Bones
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Ride in SW Michigan

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Alright, looks like a good group of about 10 for our ride on Saturday. I’ve 
got a table booked at the brewery for post-ride socializing. We very much 
look forward to meeting you and seeing your bikes on Saturday.

See you at 10, at the trailhead!
Leah and Marc

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 1:26:34 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Still hoping to make it. Count me in with 85% probability, pending some 
> work deadlines and timely arrival of replacement headset to be installed on 
> the Rivendell Quickbeam that is to be ridden in said event. 
>
> - Max "expectation value" in A2
>
> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello, Friends. One week until our SW Michigan Riv Ride! I’d like to get 
>> a headcount so we can reserve tables at the brewery, so please respond here 
>> and let Marc and I know if you will be joining us. Please reply here or PM 
>> me if you’d like to come. And tell us what Riv you’ll be planning to ride! 
>>
>> Once again, the details:
>>
>> Date: July 16. If we get stormed/rained out, we will reschedule for July 
>> 30.
>>
>> Time: 10 am Eastern time
>>
>> Where: KalHaven Trailhead 4143 10th St. N Kalamazoo, MI 49009
>>
>> Distance: 35 mi, total. 
>>
>> The KalHaven Trail is a historic rail trail that travels through a wooded 
>> area all the way to Lake Michigan. We will be riding from Kalamazoo to the 
>> halfway point, which is Bloomingdale. There we will refresh ourselves in 
>> the town’s quaint little park; you can bring refreshments or buy them at 
>> the little country store across from the park. From there we will head back 
>> to Kalamazoo and rendezvous at Latitude 42, a local brewery that has a 
>> patio so we can eye the bikes and enjoy a meal. 
>>
>> The address for Latitude 42 is: 
>> 6101 W Main St 
>> Kalamazoo, MI 49009 
>>
>> Hope to see you there! Message here with questions.
>> Leah and Marc
>>
>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 6:58:18 PM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> I was just on the Kal-Haven Thursday and it was in great shape.   38's 
>>> are no problem at all, people ride it on 28-32's all the time.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 10:24:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Robert! Nothing like up to the minute intel.
 Tom Palmer
 Twin Lake, MI 

 On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 7:12:06 AM UTC-4 Robert Blunt wrote:

> Hello all,
> I just road the Kal-Haven trail on a non-Riv bike which has 700c X 38s 
> and is was just fine. The surface is very nice all the way through to 
> South 
> Haven.
> Best,
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington, NJ
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 2:07 PM Tom Palmer  wrote:
>
>> Leah and Marc,
>> Thanks for organizing this, I am looking forward to it.
>> What size tires are needed for this trail? My skinnies are 38mm and 
>> normal dirt road in sandy West Michigan are 48mm.
>> Make it a great day,
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:03:36 AM UTC-4 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>
>>> Don't forget we are in the eastern time zone.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:54:51 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>>>
 Alright, will have to put it on the calendar!

 - Max "drive 3-4 hours to bike 2-3 hours - that's a pretty decent 
 espresso-like ratio" in A2 

 On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:07:59 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Rivendell Ride on the KalHaven Trail! 
>
> Brought to you by: the Lone Wolf and the Platypus Rider, in 
> Kalamazoo, Michigan.
>
> Date: July 16. If we get stormed/rained out, we will reschedule 
> for July 30.
>
> Time: 10 am 
>
> Where: KalHaven Trailhead 4143 10th St. N Kalamazoo, MI 49009 
> 
>
> Distance: 35 mi, total. 
>
> The KalHaven Trail is a historic rail trail that travels through a 
> wooded area all the way to Lake Michigan. We will be riding from 
> Kalamazoo 
> to the halfway point, which is Bloomingdale. There we will refresh 
> ourselves in the town’s quaint little park; you can bring 
> refreshments or 
> buy them at the little country store across from the park. From there 
> we 
> will head back to Kalamazoo and rendezvous at Latitude 42, a local 
> brewery 
> that has a patio so we can eye the bikes and enjoy a meal. 
>
> The address for Latitude 42 is: 
> 6101 W Main St  
> 
> Kalamazoo, MI 49009 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Eric Daume]

I've been eyeing the 60cm purple, down to seven left, but only one sold in
the last several hours. Hmm.

Eric
too many bikes, not enough budget


On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 7:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Still greens left in every size, both colors left in 60cm, 4:48pm pst
> 7/14/22. AnaPurple is the popular one.
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:14:20 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a short
>> stem but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set up. Not
>> good or bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs they
>> have been favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and had
>> hoped to put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not sure
>> I'll be able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so from an
>> aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale thread
 better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the frame they
 want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a nice day!
 🙋‍♂️🙂
 Joe Bernard

 On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent
> a pic of the green one with this text:
> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>
> Joe and Skye Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rosco Platy!

[Joe Bernard]

I don't need another bike that's basically a production version of my 
custom and don't really have room for it, so it's probably good that they 
didn't do one in Mermaid. But there's a Mermaid demo there...

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 5:37:53 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> I've been eyeing the 60cm purple, down to seven left, but only one sold in 
> the last several hours. Hmm.
>
> Eric
> too many bikes, not enough budget
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 7:49 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Still greens left in every size, both colors left in 60cm, 4:48pm pst 
>> 7/14/22. AnaPurple is the popular one. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 11:14:20 AM UTC-7 bmfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I feel like a lot of recent riv designs not only would require a short 
>>> stem but also downsizing a frame size for a proper drop bar set up. Not 
>>> good or bad in my mind, just inherent in the long top tube designs they 
>>> have been favoring lately. I will likely end up buying a ROADUNO, and had 
>>> hoped to put drops on it but based off of what we know so far I'm not sure 
>>> I'll be able to without dropping down a size. I don't want to do so from an 
>>> aesthetic perspective, so risers or swept back bars it'll be!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:47:18 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
 A Rosco Platy for Skye!!
 Doug

 On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 1:44 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Well that was fun. I like my version of the Rosco Platy Presale thread 
> better so I'm back over here to say I hope everybody grabs the frame they 
> want and shows them built up later so we can look at them. Have a nice 
> day! 
> 🙋‍♂️🙂 
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2022 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Here's the product page. My daughter saw the email before me and sent 
>> a pic of the green one with this text: 
>> "I don't even ride bikes and I love this."
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/rosco-platypus-presale-eta-early-august
>>
>> Joe and Skye Bernard 
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[RBW] Re: Grilver Close-up Photos Request

[Calvin Yolo]

I am in the same exact situation! Mark Nobilette is working on my Roadeo as 
we speak and I was thinking about this Grilver – also ran into the issue of 
realizing there was an older color of the same name. Let me know what color 
you ultimately end up going with. I think I will go for something a little 
darker than the Roadini Grilver.

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:53:25 AM UTC-7 Erik wrote:

> Thank you, both!  The photos are helpful.  
>
> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:39:36 AM UTC-7 Erik Wright wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matthew Williams]

59cm Clem Smith Jr. H:

3300
San Jose, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-for-sale-rivendell-clem-smith/7508905759.html
 


2000
Grand Rapids, MI
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Ride in SW Michigan

[Roberta]

Looks like a super ride. I hope everyone who is planning on going does. 
It’s so wonderful meeting the people you’ve been “chatting with” all these 
years. 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 8:29:16 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Alright, looks like a good group of about 10 for our ride on Saturday. 
> I’ve got a table booked at the brewery for post-ride socializing. We very 
> much look forward to meeting you and seeing your bikes on Saturday.
>
> See you at 10, at the trailhead!
> Leah and Marc
>
> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 1:26:34 PM UTC-4 Max S wrote:
>
>> Still hoping to make it. Count me in with 85% probability, pending some 
>> work deadlines and timely arrival of replacement headset to be installed on 
>> the Rivendell Quickbeam that is to be ridden in said event. 
>>
>> - Max "expectation value" in A2
>>
>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 12:42:35 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, Friends. One week until our SW Michigan Riv Ride! I’d like to get 
>>> a headcount so we can reserve tables at the brewery, so please respond here 
>>> and let Marc and I know if you will be joining us. Please reply here or PM 
>>> me if you’d like to come. And tell us what Riv you’ll be planning to ride! 
>>>
>>> Once again, the details:
>>>
>>> Date: July 16. If we get stormed/rained out, we will reschedule for July 
>>> 30.
>>>
>>> Time: 10 am Eastern time
>>>
>>> Where: KalHaven Trailhead 4143 10th St. N Kalamazoo, MI 49009
>>>
>>> Distance: 35 mi, total. 
>>>
>>> The KalHaven Trail is a historic rail trail that travels through a 
>>> wooded area all the way to Lake Michigan. We will be riding from Kalamazoo 
>>> to the halfway point, which is Bloomingdale. There we will refresh 
>>> ourselves in the town’s quaint little park; you can bring refreshments or 
>>> buy them at the little country store across from the park. From there we 
>>> will head back to Kalamazoo and rendezvous at Latitude 42, a local brewery 
>>> that has a patio so we can eye the bikes and enjoy a meal. 
>>>
>>> The address for Latitude 42 is: 
>>> 6101 W Main St 
>>> Kalamazoo, MI 49009 
>>>
>>> Hope to see you there! Message here with questions.
>>> Leah and Marc
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 6:58:18 PM UTC-5 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
 I was just on the Kal-Haven Thursday and it was in great shape.   38's 
 are no problem at all, people ride it on 28-32's all the time.

 Marc

 On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 10:24:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Thanks Robert! Nothing like up to the minute intel.
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI 
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 7:12:06 AM UTC-4 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I just road the Kal-Haven trail on a non-Riv bike which has 700c X 
>> 38s and is was just fine. The surface is very nice all the way through 
>> to 
>> South Haven.
>> Best,
>> Robert Blunt
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 2:07 PM Tom Palmer  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Leah and Marc,
>>> Thanks for organizing this, I am looking forward to it.
>>> What size tires are needed for this trail? My skinnies are 38mm and 
>>> normal dirt road in sandy West Michigan are 48mm.
>>> Make it a great day,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 10:03:36 AM UTC-4 Marc Irwin wrote:
>>>
 Don't forget we are in the eastern time zone.

 Marc

 On Tuesday, June 21, 2022 at 9:54:51 AM UTC-4 Max S wrote:

> Alright, will have to put it on the calendar!
>
> - Max "drive 3-4 hours to bike 2-3 hours - that's a pretty decent 
> espresso-like ratio" in A2 
>
> On Monday, June 20, 2022 at 3:07:59 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Rivendell Ride on the KalHaven Trail! 
>>
>> Brought to you by: the Lone Wolf and the Platypus Rider, in 
>> Kalamazoo, Michigan.
>>
>> Date: July 16. If we get stormed/rained out, we will reschedule 
>> for July 30.
>>
>> Time: 10 am 
>>
>> Where: KalHaven Trailhead 4143 10th St. N Kalamazoo, MI 49009 
>> 
>>
>> Distance: 35 mi, total. 
>>
>> The KalHaven Trail is a historic rail trail that travels through 
>> a wooded area all the way to Lake Michigan. We will be riding from 
>> Kalamazoo to the halfway point, which is Bloomingdale. There we will 
>> refresh ourselves in the town’s quaint little park; you can bring 
>> refreshments or buy them at the little country store across from the 
>> park. 
>> From there we will head back to Kalamazoo and rendezvous at Latitude 
>> 42, a 
>> local brewery that has a patio

[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Joe Bernard]

I love the slammed look of the grilver Clem. I guess it's technically too 
big for the rider but that gives it a crazy "this is a huge stretched path 
racer" vibe. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 7:30:13 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> 59cm Clem Smith Jr. H:
>
> 3300
> San Jose, CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-for-sale-rivendell-clem-smith/7508905759.html
>
> 2000
> Grand Rapids, MI
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/720864229090374/
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Long reach brake options for AHH

[Corwin Zechar]

Those Shimano drop-bar levers are still available! Buy them at rivbike.com, 
amazon.com, ebay.com and several other places.

Regards,


Corwin

On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 3:52:46 PM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> I must ride a lot slower than all's y'all's... but I've honestly never had 
> any trouble with my brakes on my AHH. I use the original standard Shimano 
> Lever  that shipped with it in aught-seven (probably discontinued) on a set 
> of Noodle bars. They don't bottom out at full pressure and the wheel will 
> skid. 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc522-cyclofiend_jim0908.html
>
> - Jim
>
> On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 3:41:01 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Laing: Forgive me if you've posted some before, but if not, I'd be 
>> delighted to see photos of your Riv custom "racing bike." 53.4 X 62?? What 
>> sort of bar? Me, I fit almost the diametrical opposite: 60 X 56 c-c for a 
>> drop-bar bike. 
>>
>> To all: I've found this discussion interesting, both regarding braking 
>> effectiveness and road bike aesthetics. I have to say that I myself would 
>> prefer cantis or V brakes, or braze-on centerpulls instead of what appear 
>> to me clunky very-long reach calipers on a "gofast" road bike if medium 
>> reach calipers didn't work; and in fact, I've seen a number of custom or 
>> high-end production road bikes from before WWII built for cantilever 
>> brakes. I think a great many of these were on the Classics Rendezvous and 
>> Classic Lightweights UK websites.
>>
>> IME, I tend to agree with those who say that almost all brakes work 
>> decently, if not brilliantly, if properly set up, and if the levers are 
>> appropriate to the brakes proper. I know that my otherwise wonderful 
>> second-gen (? The tab-operated cam) Dura Ace single pivots worked badly, 
>> even with salmons, pulled by 7410-era levers, while the single pivot (high 
>> end DC? Superbe Pro?) 57 mm reach single pivot on the gofast pulled by the 
>> same levers works very well indeed, for power and for modulation.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM lconley  wrote:
>>
>>> Appearance was a large consideration when I selected the Rene 
>>> Herse braze-on centerpull brakes for my Rivendell Custom that was intended 
>>> as a road bike. I call it a fat man's racing bike. "Racing Bike" as in no 
>>> braze-ons for racks, no fender eyelets, no holes in the "brake" or chain 
>>> stay bridges, - clean stays and forks but a really long wheelbase. The long 
>>> chainstays are balanced by the really long main triangle (62 cm ETT x 53.4 
>>> ST). What I did not realize was how large the Rene Herse brakes are, they 
>>> dwarf my Mafac Competition , DiaCompe, and Weinmann centerpulls. But they 
>>> still have that fifties - sixties racing bike look. The centerpull 
>>> braze-ons are located between the rim and the fork crown/brake bridge, so 
>>> they are a stiffer mount that cantilevers/V-brakes whose braze-ons are 
>>> located below the rim. Another plus for the RH centerpulls is no black or 
>>> plastic parts like the long reach Tektros.
>>>
>>> I have never actually seen another bike with braze-on centerpulls except 
>>> in pictures - some in the book *Japanese Steel*. I have considered at 
>>> times having Dia-Compe braze-ons installed on my Paramount for the original 
>>> Weinmann centerpull brakes.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 7:50:05 AM UTC-4 Daniel MacPherson wrote:
>>>
 I agree with the sentiment that road bikes look better with calipers on 
 them. Though I find the long-reach caliper brakes (Tektro R559) to be 
 rather ugly looking. Road bikes with disc brakes or v-brakes still look 
 odd 
 to me. I assume they must be gravel or cyclocross bikes. Maybe Rivendell 
 should develop some kick-ass long reach caliper brakes. 


 Daniel M 

 Tallahassee Fl

 On Saturday, July 9, 2022 at 10:31:46 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Part of the Riv association with long-reach calipers (my opinion) is 
> Grant had them made back in the days when road bikes were closely 
> associated with calipers and he wanted more room for big tires. We don't 
> think anything of it now but at the time if your bike had canti posts it 
> was a tourer or mtb, you couldn't sell it to folks looking for a road 
> frame. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Erik]

Me too!  That is one tricked-out Clem.  I wish it were a little smaller.  

Erik 

On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 9:47:43 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I love the slammed look of the grilver Clem. 

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