If there is a 3 year waiting list, the price is too low! Give the people what they want!
Edwin On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 4:45:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Joe, it's true... I haven't worn a watch in many years. My company gives > away a watch for 10-year service anniversary, and I didn't even bother > trying it on. It's in a drawer somewhere. LOL. > > Bill "watch watcher" Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:37:44 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > >> I remember when the wait list for a Riv Custom was 3 years or more and >> THAT was a long time. I sure wouldn't put myself on that list for a >> production frame, and as for the watch (briefly looks at upper left corner >> of watch I'm typing on) it's 2:37pm. >> >> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:21:35 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> I read the full text of the Helm list page more closely. There is an >>> estimate of how long it will take to get to my spot (#5995) on the list. >>> They say their current burn rate through the list is an average of 150 per >>> month. So, in a mere 40 months (3-1/2 years) I will be given a 48-hour >>> window in which I can elect to purchase a $300 watch. If I was a sincere >>> fanboy of Helm watches, I'm not certain I'd want to wait 3-1/2 years to >>> purchase a watch. In fact, maintaining a 3-1/2 year waiting list is a >>> business activity I might call "false scarcity". If I sincerely wanted to >>> purchase a watch, I might even be pissed off about it. The irony! >>> >>> Raise your hand if you want to wait 3-1/2 years for your next >>> off-the-peg bicycle frameset purchase.... >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:53:30 PM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote: >>> >>>> I like Rivendell a lot. I like that Helm system, too! >>>> >>>> Edwin >>>> >>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 3:22:16 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>> >>>>> Now if I start getting a bunch of spam emails from Helm Watches, I'll >>>>> make sure to find the Helm Watches Google Group and bash the company as >>>>> sanctimonious and greedy. >>>>> >>>>> Bill "customer number five thousand nine hundred and ninety five" >>>>> Lindsay >>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7 esoter...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well-played Bill, well-played. Can't argue with logic like that. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Mark >>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 16:03, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Since James Valiensi lauded the system of Helm watches, and said it >>>>>> costs me nothing, I signed up. It works as he said. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm now #5995 on a waiting list. They provide no feedback on whether >>>>>> #5995 corresponds to 6 days or 6 years... >>>>>> >>>>>> Meanwhile, all three sizes of a bike James claimed to want are >>>>>> available to pre-order right now... >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Helm watches came up with the best way to fairly sell their watches. >>>>>>> They cannot keep up with demand. >>>>>>> They used to send an email announce when the pre-sale would begin. >>>>>>> They even had a page telling their customers the best methods to use to >>>>>>> successfully purchase a watch. >>>>>>> I got one, once. I sat a my computer trying to add one to the cart a >>>>>>> few minutes before the pre-sale. I finally got one. It was like the old >>>>>>> days of calling into a radio station for tickets. >>>>>>> The next time something went wrong with their computers and the sale >>>>>>> never went live. A day later they sent an email blast telling everyone >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> happened and announcing the sale would start again, in an hour. I >>>>>>> didn’t >>>>>>> get the email to many hours later and missed it. I and many others were >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> happy. I complained and many others did too, because they found a >>>>>>> better >>>>>>> way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, if you want a Helm watch, you go to the web site and add your >>>>>>> name to the list. You will get a place in line and they will let you >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> when its your turn. There is plenty of notice, no penalty if you back >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> and a 48-hr window to make the purchase. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is much better and shows that Helm cares about those that >>>>>>> support them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 12:26 PM, Will Ashe <will...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I bought a 60 purple. These are not going as fast as I expected. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 2:07:44 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> six minutes in, and 55 Purple is showing sold out >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 12:06:27 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Five minutes in, all sizes and colors still available. Some are >>>>>>>>> down to 2-3 left though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's live right now. It lets me add a 55 purple to my cart. I'm >>>>>>>>>> going to leave it for you to buy though >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> BL in EC, hitting refresh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 10:37:47 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I went to the page and it said sold out. How do you read that? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The pre-sale lottery sucks. Many other industries use it, to >>>>>>>>>>> build excitement and make people want stuff. I don’t like it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I want no part of this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> James, how did you determine they were already sold out when the >>>>>>>>>>> page you landed on announces when the presale begins? The title of >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> thread has presale in it so you knew the frame wasn't available >>>>>>>>>>> yet. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, July 14, 2022 at 6:51:01 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I remember when Rivendell used to be cool… >>>>>>>>>>>> Now they seem greedy and sanctimonious. >>>>>>>>>>>> I had some interest in getting a purple Rosco Platypus for my >>>>>>>>>>>> wife. I was on a job site all day yesterday and could get to the >>>>>>>>>>>> internet >>>>>>>>>>>> until this morning, and the bike is sold out. >>>>>>>>>>>> Its false scarcity to make people rush to buy. Why they cannot >>>>>>>>>>>> order enough bikes? The factory can make more, they can have >>>>>>>>>>>> another >>>>>>>>>>>> shipment. No financial excuses, people are pre-paying. >>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve was a customer since 1994 and always helped when Grant >>>>>>>>>>>> asked for money or sells. And he did. I have a Custom Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>> and a Joe >>>>>>>>>>>> A. I’ve bought several other models. 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