Re: [RBW] Re: Hub sounds in Kraftwerk's Tour de France: 1983 and 2003

[Eric Marth]

I'm glad to hear from a few Kraftwerk fans, I'm not super familiar but 
finally getting around to them. 

Sean, seems they have taken pretty careful control of their catalog and 
legacy. Once they had boiled down their sound, philosophy and aesthetic 
they decided to exclude some of the work they did to find their way. 

I dig that track you posted, also dig Neu! Seems repetition and melody were 
mainstays for them throughout. 

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:04:44 AM UTC-4 Sean B. wrote:

> The Man Machine is my favorite.  But I think my favorite performance is an 
> early show with the two members of Neu! It was quite a different band:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72SmgSC56ek
>
> So different that the remaining members pretend it doesn't exist. 
>
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 11:01:42 PM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote:
>
>> Gotta say that Trans Europe Express is my favorite as well. I have 
>> tickets to see their 3D show here in July. The last one was cancelled due 
>> to COVID so hopefully this goes on as planned.
>>
>> I need to track down the original Tour de France and check it out. I only 
>> have the 2003 version.
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Nick Payne  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Back in 2015 Kraftwerk played a gig at the TdF *Grand Depart* in Utrecht.
>>
>> There's an interview in *Rolling Stone* with Ralf Hütter where he talks 
>> about their long association with cycling: 
>> https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/kraftwerk-on-cycling-3d-spiritual-connection-to-detroit-56548/
>> .
>>
>> My favourite Kraftwerk album, though, is not *Tour de France Soundtracks*, 
>> but *Trans-Europe Express*.
>>
>> Nick
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[RBW] Tubolito tubes: how flat-proof are they really?

[Patrick Moore]

Has anyone used Tubolitos in goathead country, without sealant? How proof
against thorn flats were yours? Please say which Tubolito model and where
you ride.

I'm quite happy with Orange Seal Endurance for fat, low pressure tires, but
I've gone back to tubes (*) for my 559 X 42s, and have only ever used tubes
for my 559 X 28s. With Orange Seal *Regular* these work about 95%
(metaphor, not measurement) as well as Endurance in the fat tubeless tires.

But if Tubolitos are thorn proof enough for only occasional (=< 1 every 100
miles), I'd happily pay the price to go back to tubes without the
(admittedly minor) hassle of sealant.

Anyone?

The reviews I've seen haven't been long term reviews, and most of these
reviews did not test them in thorn environments, but at least one US SW
rider said that he found that they don't protect against cactus thorns.



(*) I used the 42s tubeless on EQ 21 rims, designed for tubes, and had only
minor problems with setup, but the fear of burping or beads coming undone
after a flat made me go back to tubes. I've been using very light Schwalbe
SV11A 559 X 23 mm tubes (between 60 and 70 grams) in the 42s with OS
regular formula -- so far so good, but I do have lightweight Schwalbe SV
14A 1.8" tubes (claimed 100 grams, actually about 120 grams) if I ever need
them. I use the 559 X 23s in the 28 mm Elk Pass tires, too.

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[RBW] Re: Tubolito tubes: how flat-proof are they really?

[Patrick Moore]

For the record and FYI: just remembered that Tubolito say that sealants
don't work with Tubolitos.

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 12:12 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Has anyone used Tubolitos in goathead country, without sealant? How proof
> against thorn flats were yours? Please say which Tubolito model and where
> you ride.
>
> I'm quite happy with Orange Seal Endurance for fat, low pressure tires,
> but I've gone back to tubes (*) for my 559 X 42s, and have only ever used
> tubes for my 559 X 28s. With Orange Seal *Regular* these work about 95%
> (metaphor, not measurement) as well as Endurance in the fat tubeless tires.
>
> But if Tubolitos are thorn proof enough for only occasional (=< 1 every
> 100 miles), I'd happily pay the price to go back to tubes without the
> (admittedly minor) hassle of sealant.
>
> Anyone?
>
> The reviews I've seen haven't been long term reviews, and most of these
> reviews did not test them in thorn environments, but at least one US SW
> rider said that he found that they don't protect against cactus thorns.
>
>
>
> (*) I used the 42s tubeless on EQ 21 rims, designed for tubes, and had
> only minor problems with setup, but the fear of burping or beads coming
> undone after a flat made me go back to tubes. I've been using very light
> Schwalbe SV11A 559 X 23 mm tubes (between 60 and 70 grams) in the 42s with
> OS regular formula -- so far so good, but I do have lightweight Schwalbe SV
> 14A 1.8" tubes (claimed 100 grams, actually about 120 grams) if I ever need
> them. I use the 559 X 23s in the 28 mm Elk Pass tires, too.
>
> --
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Choco Bars and 8cm (or 10cm) Tallux

[Collin A]

Parts found, thanks folks!

Collin

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:51:33 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> Heyo
>
> Anyone holding onto some choco bars they want to get rid of? I normally 
> run simworks fun3 bars on my Appaloosa with a 6cm faceplater stem, but the 
> broken ribs mean I need a less aggressive position for several weeks.
>
> I've got billie bars on my commuter and they feel fine, so I'd like to 
> find another set of uprightish bars and figured I can try something new 
> while I am at it. The stem is a "nice to have," but I could also just buy a 
> 25.4 to 31.8 adapter and be perfectly content.
>
> Thanks,
> Collin in Sact(ow)n
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem wheel woes: To rebuild or not to build...

[Sofie C]

So, I put the RH Juniper Hill tires on, and the new shoes make a big 
difference! The Clem feels so much lighter and yet there's still plenty of 
cush and grip off pavement. Thank you again for all the great 
recommendations. 

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:53:21 PM UTC-4 Sofie C wrote:

> Wow, thanks so much to all of you for the incredibly thoughtful advice. 
> I'm going to keep my Clem as is for longer with a few minor tweaks... I 
> ordered some extra light Juniper Ridge RH tires (48mm) and will see how 
> that changes the feel. I'm also playing with the saddle setback (thank you 
> for the tip, Patrick! And probably most importantly, I'm working on 
> building my leg strength so hopefully those hills won't feel as daunting, 
> no matter the weight of my Clem!
> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:42:33 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> I second the recommendation of waiting until you really know what you 
>> want. 
>>
>> If you do go down the building wheels road, you can try getting some 
>> wheels built by Pro Wheel Builder (PWB) in Georgia. I had two sets of 
>> Velocity Atlas (650b) wheels built and shipped to me for $650. I sent my 
>> own Shimano hubs (LX) to them because it is getting difficult to source 135 
>> mm rear hubs in silver that are not super expensive (WI etc). 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 8:37:49 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sofie,
>>>
>>> I might choose option 3, but with a caveat. Let me explain.
>>>
>>> Your Clem is relatively new to you. You are using it and discovering 
>>> what kind of riding you like to do and how the bike best suits you, and how 
>>> you can incorporate it into your daily life. This is wonderful! 
>>>
>>> That said, I would be hesitant to change anything for awhile. Why? 
>>> Because I get the feeling that you are still discovering what you really 
>>> want - and that’s a positive and fun thing. As my miles have increased, I 
>>> have discovered who I really am as a rider. I’ve ridden enough to know what 
>>> I want and avoid the FOMO. Now when I make a change to my bike, I KNOW it’s 
>>> in my best interest. I’m not against making expensive investments in my 
>>> bike (which is well documented on this List); rather, I just want to know 
>>> it’s money well-spent.
>>>
>>> For instance: In 2020 with nothing to do and nowhere to go, I really 
>>> stepped up my miles. My boys were older and could be without me, and I was 
>>> yearning to find new places to ride. I got over 3,000 miles in 2020 and 
>>> that taught me a LOT. I wanted more capability out of my bike, and that 
>>> meant big changes to my Clem and adding a zippy Platypus. None of the 
>>> changes or decisions I made would have felt necessary to me in 2012 when I 
>>> got my Betty Foy. The Betty was set up to be a tank. Biggest heavy-duty 
>>> racks Nitto made, biggest basket by Wald, so I could haul a dog and pull 
>>> kids and bring picnic lunches and school supplies. It was my only bike, and 
>>> it served me well in those years.
>>>
>>> But Leah 2020-present is a very different rider. I wanted to ride in the 
>>> dark and tired of dead batteries, so I needed dyno lighting. I wanted to 
>>> pedal up the mountains with more ease, so I procured lighter wheels and 
>>> better tires. I did my first club ride on Monday on my raspberry Platypus. 
>>> I have started grocery shopping and errand-running by bike. It has been a 
>>> journey and a joy to evolve in my bike life and I can’t wait to see where 
>>> you’re headed in yours, RivSister. 
>>>
>>> This is just my opinion, but you do as you wish! ♥️
>>> Leah
>>> On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 4:49:09 PM UTC-4 sof...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Help! I'm stuck in analysis paralysis... I have a size 45 Clem complete 
 that I adore, purchased in the last Riv lottery. I wanted dynamo lighting 
 so I had my local bike shop rebuild the stock front wheel with a SON hub. 
 My clem feels quick enough for me - I'm a slow rider, and the weight 
 doesn't bother me, except for when I'm riding uphill, and there are a lot 
 of hills where I live. Still, I have wheel fomo, and I can't stop thinking 
 about how good the Clem could be if I were to put on different wheels than 
 the stock wheels.

 I'm considering a bunch of options, with the top ones being:

 1. Get a set of new, relatively lightweight wheels without Dyno for 
 daytime riding (which is what I mostly do anyway). Keep Clem stock wheels 
 for when I really need the Dyno. I'd have two sets of wheels. 

 2. Get new rims (Velocity Cliffhangers?) and salvage the SON hub - Rich 
 can use the hub in rebuilding the front wheel. This leaves me with an 
 extra 
 Clem stock rear wheel. 

 3. Be happy with what I have.

 What would you do?

 Sofie



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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Waterford Roadeo

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Corwin, crazy timing.  I just gave up on selling the complete and sold the 
frame, brakes, and headset earlier this week.  The other parts listed in OP 
are available if you or anyone else is interested.  Thank you,
-Gabe  

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 3:51:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Corwin
>
> I have a white with red 59cm Roadeo.  I had listed it complete, but I 
> could consider selling frame and for with a Chris King headset for $1750 
> plus shipping.  Let me know if you are interested
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:07:37 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:
>
>> Hey Gabriel -
>>
>> Do you still have the bike? Any chance you would go for selling the frame 
>> alone?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 2:32:46 PM UTC-8 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>>
>>> Bump
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:16:36 AM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Bump: bike is still available.  I have some offers for the frame and 
 assorted parts, but would strongly prefer to sell the complete.  Please 
 make an offer if interested in complete.

 On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Thank you, Jonathan!!!  
>
> Thanks for your question, Bill!  Yes, the rear hub is still 135mm.  I 
> didn't spread out the rear spacing on the frame to 135mm, but when I was 
> initially building up the bike I thought I might have to.  However, I 
> found 
> that the rear wheel installed with less fight than I expected, or, than I 
> have experienced with other frames I've squeezed oversized hubs into.  
> And 
> the wheel was aligned fine in the stays, at least upon visual inspection. 
>  
> So I suspected that it might have been spread by a previous owner, though 
> I 
> never measured or looked into it any further.  It rode beautifully so I 
> didn't pursue it further, though I'd be willing to if it is a concern for 
> a 
> future buyer.
>
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I own a 59cm Roadeo and it is indeed a terrific road bike.  On behalf 
>> of your potential customers, I guess I have a question.  The Roadeo is 
>> clearly a straight ahead conventional and contemporary road frameset.  
>> As 
>> such it is built from the factory with 130mm spacing, to take any normal 
>> road wheelset.  Your build list indicates you are running Deore XT hubs, 
>> which by definition are 135mm.  Can you clear up that apparent mismatch? 
>>  
>> Was the frameset spread out by you or a previous owner from 130 to 
>> 135mm?  
>> Was the rear hub respaced to 130mm by the shop that built the wheelset?  
>> Or 
>> are you just squeezing it in there and it seems to work?  Lots of other 
>> Rivendells are 135mm in back, like the Atlantis, A Homer Hilsen and 
>> Hillborne, among others.  Some historical Rivendells were deliberately 
>> made 
>> with 132.5mm spacing so they'd take either/or.  The Romulus was one of 
>> those.  Perhaps your buyer would like to hear the story there.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 5:07:33 PM UTC-8 Gabriel Bruguier 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Up for sale is my 59cm Roadeo, built by Waterford, with threaded 
>>> fork.  It is the Maroon colorway shown on the Riv product page 
>>>  (or very close to that 
>>> color).  This frame has mid-fork eyelets installed.  As far as I know, 
>>> I am 
>>> the third owner.  I bought it off a fellow RBWOB lister last winter, 
>>> rode 
>>> it over the spring and summer, but it has been stored in the garage 
>>> since 
>>> then.  I love the bike but I don't foresee as much use as I'd like, and 
>>> would rather send it on to a new home.
>>>
>>> Frame is in good used shape.  There are plenty of signs of beausage 
>>> on the paint, but no dents or rust.  I sprayed it with Boeshield before 
>>> building it up.  It has never been crashed to my knowledge.
>>>
>>> Here's Riv's geometry chart with a link to PBH sizing 
>>> recommendations. 
>>>   My PBH is 
>>> right around 85, and this size worked for me.
>>>
>>> Photos are here. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>>
>>> The build list is below.  The front der, wheels, brakes, brake 
>>> levers, and shifters were from a previous build, but are in good shape. 
>>>  
>>> Though there is some scraping on shifters and levers.  All other parts 
>>> were 
>>> bought new.
>>>
>>> I am asking $3500 for the complete bike, plus LBS packing fee, and 
>>> shipping to 

Re: [RBW] Where in the world has your Riv been?

[Craig Montgomery]

I swear your bike was pictured in one of the PBP ride reports on the old 
Fixed Gear Gallery website. Remember them? 

Craig in Tucson

On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 9:39:48 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> Going back a few years, but here is my Quickbeam during Paris-Brest-Paris 
> 2007, the year that I did that event on a fixed gear. Still perhaps the 
> only Quickbeam to ever complete PBP.
>
> This photo was taken on the return to Paris. As I recall, I had just 
> stopped for coffee in a corner cafe in a small village in the French 
> countryside. The plastic bag on the seat was an attempt to keep it somewhat 
> dry—we were rained on more or less all the time for three days that 
> year—some of the worst weather ever for PBP.
>
> I still have the Quickbeam, which since then has morphed from a fixed gear 
> to a three-speed. Still a great bike.
>
>
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Mar 15, 2022, at 9:11 AM, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
> Oh wow, so cool! Very inspiring.
>
> You've placed the bar quite high.
>
>
>
> On Mar 15, 2022, at 5:26 AM, John Rinker  wrote:
>
> In the thread 'Riding the Levees', Patrick muses about getting riding 
> photos from all over into one album. I'll just add, wouldn't it be 
> wonderful to have a photo of a Riv in every country of the world? Unlikely, 
> maybe, but Rivs have been around for a while and people do travel. I've 
> lived in a few different countries and traveled to others with my Hunq, so 
> I'll kick it off with China,  Nepal, New Zealand, and Japan. 
>
> 
> Jiangsu, China
>
> 
> Annapurna Circuit, Nepal
>
> 
> Motu, New Zealand
>
> 
> Fuji, Lake Yamanako, Japan
>
> Cheers, John
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Re: [RBW] WTT: Framesets! 59 Clem H for 64 Clem L

[Matthew Williams]

Hi Dan, 

Here's an unbuilt 64 F/F/HS:
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/346785007277297




On Mar 24, 2022, at 6:45 PM, Daniel  wrote:

> Possibly a long shot but I have a green Clem H with the swoopy seatstays, 
> size 59cm. I'd love to trade for a 64cm Clem L, especially in RBW blue or 
> mustard. I figured we keep our parts and just swap f/f/hs, each pay our own 
> shipping. Local (SoCal) would be even better!
> 
> Interested? Drop me a line!
> 
> DanAf
> Yorba Linda, CA
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[RBW] Note To Future Clem L Buyers

[Johnny Alien]

I was able to grab a 52 Clem L from Crust when they listed them on Wed and 
it was delivered today. I had zero idea that Crust was close to me! It came 
late so I only got it out of the box and roughly together.  A note to those 
looking to buy one of these later this year from Rivendell. They offer the 
option of pulling the bikes and going over them (making small adjustments 
and such) then reboxing before shipping to you. I have no idea if that cost 
money but if so pay whatever it costs. These do not come straight from 
Taiwan in ready to go shape. The brakes are not set up properly at all. 
Cables were crossed where they shouldn't be crossed. I had to remove loads 
of stuff and put them back on. If you are good to do it all on your own or 
if you are taking it right to a shop then you can skip it. Otherwise have 
them go over it.

A few initial thoughts:

   - I wish they would have stayed with the big pulley Altus derailleur. 
   The one they have on this is nice and all but just doesn't look as sweet.  
   I know that means using friction shifters vs index BUT
   - This thing should come with friction shifters vs the trigger guy. It 
   just should. I am going to throw on some of those clicky friction guys they 
   used to use.
   - These Tektro brake levers that are on the most current batch are huge 
   and ugly. They have that plastic chrome look. I know that this is a bike 
   that uses affordable stuff where it makes sense but there is a line for me. 
   These have to go and ALSO
   - I don't understand the backwards mounted brake levers. I understand 
   with the thumbshifters but I don't get why the screws should go on the 
   outside.  And once they are all wired up there is no easy switching them 
   back.
   - The toscos look right up my alley. I was going to throw some Billie 
   bars on this but the tosco bars are going to stay for awhile. 
   - I think they should stop including the 50 reflectors, kickstand, and 
   cheap plastic bell and bring back the composite clem pedals they used to 
   include

I am pumped to get it up and running. Until I get the friction shifters on 
I am going to move that trigger guy down next to the stem like Will 
suggests. I'm always up to try something new and it seems wise to get that 
thing further away from all the places I grip.

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[RBW] Re: FS 1.5 Riv Sweaters and some hats

[bo richardson]

i would take the shrunken large sweater at 60$
i dont know why the 5$ difference matters to me but it does
thanks
bo

check or visa i can do
thanks again

On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 11:46:14 AM UTC-8 Bones wrote:

> All items including shipping CONUS.
>
> Tragically, my new size large William and Ringo sweater from Riv's last 
> batch found it's way into the wash and is now even smaller than a medium. 
> It was worn once, and I will sell it for about half off (let's say $65 
> shipped).
>
> I also have a brand new never worn medium William and Ringo sweater. I 
> would like what I paid for it plus shipping ($120 shipped).
>
> A Blue Lug RBW cycle cap in coyote. Brand new; too large for my tiny head 
> ($60 shipped)
>
> A Blue Lug Work Hat in grey... also brand new and too large for me ($60 
> shipped)
>
> Thanks for looking!
> Bones
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[RBW] Re: Note To Future Clem L Buyers

[Joe Bernard]

The reversed brake levers mirror the reversed thumbies so you don't end up 
with a shift lever jammed into the protruding end of a clamp. If you really 
do want to swap them it's easy to release the cables at the lever (brakes): 
unhook the v-brakes, then pull the now-slack cable out of the lever and 
swap 'em 👍

Joe Bernard

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 4:57:59 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I was able to grab a 52 Clem L from Crust when they listed them on Wed and 
> it was delivered today. I had zero idea that Crust was close to me! It came 
> late so I only got it out of the box and roughly together.  A note to those 
> looking to buy one of these later this year from Rivendell. They offer the 
> option of pulling the bikes and going over them (making small adjustments 
> and such) then reboxing before shipping to you. I have no idea if that cost 
> money but if so pay whatever it costs. These do not come straight from 
> Taiwan in ready to go shape. The brakes are not set up properly at all. 
> Cables were crossed where they shouldn't be crossed. I had to remove loads 
> of stuff and put them back on. If you are good to do it all on your own or 
> if you are taking it right to a shop then you can skip it. Otherwise have 
> them go over it.
>
> A few initial thoughts:
>
>- I wish they would have stayed with the big pulley Altus derailleur. 
>The one they have on this is nice and all but just doesn't look as sweet.  
>I know that means using friction shifters vs index BUT
>- This thing should come with friction shifters vs the trigger guy. It 
>just should. I am going to throw on some of those clicky friction guys 
> they 
>used to use.
>- These Tektro brake levers that are on the most current batch are 
>huge and ugly. They have that plastic chrome look. I know that this is a 
>bike that uses affordable stuff where it makes sense but there is a line 
>for me. These have to go and ALSO
>- I don't understand the backwards mounted brake levers. I understand 
>with the thumbshifters but I don't get why the screws should go on the 
>outside.  And once they are all wired up there is no easy switching them 
>back.
>- The toscos look right up my alley. I was going to throw some Billie 
>bars on this but the tosco bars are going to stay for awhile. 
>- I think they should stop including the 50 reflectors, kickstand, and 
>cheap plastic bell and bring back the composite clem pedals they used to 
>include
>
> I am pumped to get it up and running. Until I get the friction shifters on 
> I am going to move that trigger guy down next to the stem like Will 
> suggests. I'm always up to try something new and it seems wise to get that 
> thing further away from all the places I grip.
>

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[RBW] Re: Note To Future Clem L Buyers

[Johnny Alien]

I am going to put different brake levers on (these are just ugly) so it 
won't be an issue. I actually have a bar with a reverse (inside mount) 
thumbshifter and the brakes are on normal and don't seem to interfere. But 
they do it more often than me so maybe its certain combos that are 
problematic.

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 10:04:58 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The reversed brake levers mirror the reversed thumbies so you don't end up 
> with a shift lever jammed into the protruding end of a clamp. If you really 
> do want to swap them it's easy to release the cables at the lever (brakes): 
> unhook the v-brakes, then pull the now-slack cable out of the lever and 
> swap 'em 👍
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 4:57:59 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I was able to grab a 52 Clem L from Crust when they listed them on Wed 
>> and it was delivered today. I had zero idea that Crust was close to me! It 
>> came late so I only got it out of the box and roughly together.  A note to 
>> those looking to buy one of these later this year from Rivendell. They 
>> offer the option of pulling the bikes and going over them (making small 
>> adjustments and such) then reboxing before shipping to you. I have no idea 
>> if that cost money but if so pay whatever it costs. These do not come 
>> straight from Taiwan in ready to go shape. The brakes are not set up 
>> properly at all. Cables were crossed where they shouldn't be crossed. I had 
>> to remove loads of stuff and put them back on. If you are good to do it all 
>> on your own or if you are taking it right to a shop then you can skip it. 
>> Otherwise have them go over it.
>>
>> A few initial thoughts:
>>
>>- I wish they would have stayed with the big pulley Altus derailleur. 
>>The one they have on this is nice and all but just doesn't look as sweet. 
>>  
>>I know that means using friction shifters vs index BUT
>>- This thing should come with friction shifters vs the trigger guy. 
>>It just should. I am going to throw on some of those clicky friction guys 
>>they used to use.
>>- These Tektro brake levers that are on the most current batch are 
>>huge and ugly. They have that plastic chrome look. I know that this is a 
>>bike that uses affordable stuff where it makes sense but there is a line 
>>for me. These have to go and ALSO
>>- I don't understand the backwards mounted brake levers. I understand 
>>with the thumbshifters but I don't get why the screws should go on the 
>>outside.  And once they are all wired up there is no easy switching them 
>>back.
>>- The toscos look right up my alley. I was going to throw some Billie 
>>bars on this but the tosco bars are going to stay for awhile. 
>>- I think they should stop including the 50 reflectors, kickstand, 
>>and cheap plastic bell and bring back the composite clem pedals they used 
>>to include
>>
>> I am pumped to get it up and running. Until I get the friction shifters 
>> on I am going to move that trigger guy down next to the stem like Will 
>> suggests. I'm always up to try something new and it seems wise to get that 
>> thing further away from all the places I grip.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem completes at Crust

[ericf3]

Silly question -- where is Crust located? I cannot find it on their site. 
(I have a cousin who wants a Clem and would share the link with him IF I 
knew where it was shipping from...) I am sure it is there in black and 
white but just NOT FOR ME...

Thanks

ef
in Vancouver but my cousin is in SSM ON

On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:16:30 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all — Crust has a handful of complete Clems in blue and green if anyone 
> is looking 
>
>
> https://crustbikes.com/products/rivendell-clem-l-factory-complete?variant=39883032395866
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem completes at Crust

[Joe Mullins]

Crust is in Richmond, VA. 

Joe

> On Mar 25, 2022, at 7:29 PM, ericf3  wrote:
> 
> 
> Silly question -- where is Crust located? I cannot find it on their site. (I 
> have a cousin who wants a Clem and would share the link with him IF I knew 
> where it was shipping from...) I am sure it is there in black and white but 
> just NOT FOR ME...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> ef
> in Vancouver but my cousin is in SSM ON
> 
>> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:16:30 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi all — Crust has a handful of complete Clems in blue and green if anyone 
>> is looking 
>> 
>> https://crustbikes.com/products/rivendell-clem-l-factory-complete?variant=39883032395866
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Re: [RBW] Where in the world has your Riv been?

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’m sure it was. Somebody else took some other photos of it either at the 
finish or one of the controls. Fixies were just as unusual then at PBP as they 
are now—really, there’s no good reason to do that ride on a fixed gear. What 
was I thinking?

--Eric Norris
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> On Mar 25, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Craig Montgomery  wrote:
> 
> I swear your bike was pictured in one of the PBP ride reports on the old 
> Fixed Gear Gallery website. Remember them? 
> 
> Craig in Tucson
> 
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2022 at 9:39:48 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
> Going back a few years, but here is my Quickbeam during Paris-Brest-Paris 
> 2007, the year that I did that event on a fixed gear. Still perhaps the only 
> Quickbeam to ever complete PBP.
> 
> This photo was taken on the return to Paris. As I recall, I had just stopped 
> for coffee in a corner cafe in a small village in the French countryside. The 
> plastic bag on the seat was an attempt to keep it somewhat dry—we were rained 
> on more or less all the time for three days that year—some of the worst 
> weather ever for PBP.
> 
> I still have the Quickbeam, which since then has morphed from a fixed gear to 
> a three-speed. Still a great bike.
> 
> 
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 9:11 AM, Matthew Williams > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Oh wow, so cool! Very inspiring.
>> 
>> You've placed the bar quite high.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 5:26 AM, John Rinker > > wrote:
>> 
>>> In the thread 'Riding the Levees', Patrick muses about getting riding 
>>> photos from all over into one album. I'll just add, wouldn't it be 
>>> wonderful to have a photo of a Riv in every country of the world? Unlikely, 
>>> maybe, but Rivs have been around for a while and people do travel. I've 
>>> lived in a few different countries and traveled to others with my Hunq, so 
>>> I'll kick it off with China,  Nepal, New Zealand, and Japan. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jiangsu, China
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Annapurna Circuit, Nepal
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Motu, New Zealand
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fuji, Lake Yamanako, Japan
>>> 
>>> Cheers, John
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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Waterford Roadeo

[Corwin]

Hi Gabriel -

Congratulations on selling the frame. Very glad you were able to sell the 
brakes and headset as well.

Bill's frame is a little bit closer to what I am looking for anyway.

Have a great weekend.

Regards,


Corwin

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:28:21 PM UTC-7 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Corwin, crazy timing.  I just gave up on selling the complete and sold the 
> frame, brakes, and headset earlier this week.  The other parts listed in OP 
> are available if you or anyone else is interested.  Thank you,
> -Gabe  
>
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 3:51:39 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Corwin
>>
>> I have a white with red 59cm Roadeo.  I had listed it complete, but I 
>> could consider selling frame and for with a Chris King headset for $1750 
>> plus shipping.  Let me know if you are interested
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:07:37 PM UTC-7 Corwin wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Gabriel -
>>>
>>> Do you still have the bike? Any chance you would go for selling the 
>>> frame alone?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 2:32:46 PM UTC-8 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>>>
 Bump

 On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 11:16:36 AM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier 
 wrote:

> Bump: bike is still available.  I have some offers for the frame and 
> assorted parts, but would strongly prefer to sell the complete.  Please 
> make an offer if interested in complete.
>
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Jonathan!!!  
>>
>> Thanks for your question, Bill!  Yes, the rear hub is still 135mm.  I 
>> didn't spread out the rear spacing on the frame to 135mm, but when I was 
>> initially building up the bike I thought I might have to.  However, I 
>> found 
>> that the rear wheel installed with less fight than I expected, or, than 
>> I 
>> have experienced with other frames I've squeezed oversized hubs into.  
>> And 
>> the wheel was aligned fine in the stays, at least upon visual 
>> inspection.  
>> So I suspected that it might have been spread by a previous owner, 
>> though I 
>> never measured or looked into it any further.  It rode beautifully so I 
>> didn't pursue it further, though I'd be willing to if it is a concern 
>> for a 
>> future buyer.
>>
>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:45:15 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> I own a 59cm Roadeo and it is indeed a terrific road bike.  On 
>>> behalf of your potential customers, I guess I have a question.  The 
>>> Roadeo 
>>> is clearly a straight ahead conventional and contemporary road 
>>> frameset.  
>>> As such it is built from the factory with 130mm spacing, to take any 
>>> normal 
>>> road wheelset.  Your build list indicates you are running Deore XT 
>>> hubs, 
>>> which by definition are 135mm.  Can you clear up that apparent 
>>> mismatch?  
>>> Was the frameset spread out by you or a previous owner from 130 to 
>>> 135mm?  
>>> Was the rear hub respaced to 130mm by the shop that built the wheelset? 
>>>  Or 
>>> are you just squeezing it in there and it seems to work?  Lots of other 
>>> Rivendells are 135mm in back, like the Atlantis, A Homer Hilsen and 
>>> Hillborne, among others.  Some historical Rivendells were deliberately 
>>> made 
>>> with 132.5mm spacing so they'd take either/or.  The Romulus was one of 
>>> those.  Perhaps your buyer would like to hear the story there.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 5:07:33 PM UTC-8 Gabriel Bruguier 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,

 Up for sale is my 59cm Roadeo, built by Waterford, with threaded 
 fork.  It is the Maroon colorway shown on the Riv product page 
  (or very close to that 
 color).  This frame has mid-fork eyelets installed.  As far as I know, 
 I am 
 the third owner.  I bought it off a fellow RBWOB lister last winter, 
 rode 
 it over the spring and summer, but it has been stored in the garage 
 since 
 then.  I love the bike but I don't foresee as much use as I'd like, 
 and 
 would rather send it on to a new home.

 Frame is in good used shape.  There are plenty of signs of beausage 
 on the paint, but no dents or rust.  I sprayed it with Boeshield 
 before 
 building it up.  It has never been crashed to my knowledge.

 Here's Riv's geometry chart with a link to PBH sizing 
 recommendations. 
   My PBH 
 is right around 85, and this size worked for me.

 Photos are here. 
 

[RBW] Re: Peace Wheel T-shirt

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Doug, I received mine today and will wear it for our spring weather this 
weekend. A nice tshirt, an important message.

Joe in Grand Junction

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:20:23 PM UTC-6 dougP wrote:

> The Peace Wheel T-shirt I ordered when they were fist available shipped on 
> Monday & arrived today (Wednesday).  Absolutely great service.  The shirt 
> looks as good as it does in their on-line photos.
>
> Thanks Rivendell for supporting Ukraine!
>
> dougP
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