[RBW] Re: VO Stem opinion

[Garth]

Deepak, I've used the VO adapter and a 130mm +6 degree rise 4 bolt stem 
with Albatross bars since 2009 or something. They are what they are, just 
the quill part of a stem, a long hunk of forged aluminum with a long bolt 
and expanding wedge inside. The flexibility of changing stems while leaving 
the bars as-is is priceless. Each style of stem, be it a one or two parts, 
work fine. The VO adapter + stem is no more/less stiff than any other 
quill, in case you're wondering. I see no advantage of the Nitto 
faceplatter over the quill adapter + stem, as I don't weigh parts and a two 
part combo looks just fine to me. I do have a 135mm faceplater I bought for 
the Susie, but have not assembled it. I may never use it and go with an 
adapter + stem instead if either the length isn't right or I don't need 
it's height. 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:15:32 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> This is what you want!:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185324918808?hash=item2b2639d818:g:jl4AAOSwkUFiIht5
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> No opinion on the VO adapter, but I'd venture a guess that a 120mm stem 
>> is still going to be too short.   Personal preference and fit will of 
>> course vary, but I had an alumunium non-bullmoose Bosco bar on my Clem, 
>> with a 140mm quill stem, and it was just barely long enough.  The atlantis 
>> has a much shorter top tube.  (Depending on the vintage of yours, it might 
>> be MUCH shorter.)  1" quill stems in the 140 -150 mm range from the 80s are 
>> pretty plentiful and easy to find.  Ritchey made a good one.  Another tip 
>> is to get one with a wide clamp, to minimize the bar torsion that feels 
>> flexy.  I know people often cut the end off the bar to make it work when 
>> it's too close, but I would advise against that too - at least until you've 
>> had time to try it uncut.  The sloped and front horizontal parts are 
>> interesting as secondary grip positions, but mostly in concept only.  
>> What's really nice is having that long primary grip position to move around 
>> on.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:25:31 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I recently got a Bosco bar for my Atlantis . The current 80 mm face 
>>> platter stem I have seems little too short . Wanted to try 120 mm . I was 
>>> thinking of threadless stem adaptor and getting threadless stem , so that I 
>>> can swap out the stem for different length if that doesn’t work. Has anyone 
>>> had experience with VO adapter and stem and how does it compare to nitto . 
>>> Don’t want to invest /commit to nitto given how expensive they are compared 
>>> to VO.
>>>
>>> Cheers ,
>>> Deepak
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tire choice, tubeless vs. tubes

[Nick Payne]

I only use tubeless setup on the one bike that I regularly ride several 
times each week. On other bikes, which might spend several weeks at a time 
hanging up and not being ridden, I don't set them up as tubeless, even if 
they have tubeless-compatible tyres and rims, because while the bikes are 
not being ridden, the sealant sits in the lowest part of the tyres and 
gradually becomes a solid plug at that point. I could pull each bike down a 
couple of times a week and rotate the tyres, but it's simpler to keep them 
as tubed.

I guess this is only a problem if, like me, you have too many bikes...

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Tire choice, tubeless vs. tubes

[ascpgh]

+1 to NIck's point. 

Tubeless is a good choice if you ride often enough or are disciplined 
enough to keep your sealant circulated and the tire is an appropriate size. 
My trusted LBS feels that 42 is the width that clearly reaches the positive 
benefit/detriment balance (that was relative to my conversation regarding 
650B wheels).Their feeling comes from combined experiences with 
conversions, bike and wheel builds as well as maintenance of customer bikes 
with all sorts of tubeless wheels. They sell plenty of mountain and trail 
bikes but also stock RH, SON, B&M and Orange Seal products. They're too 
small to stock everything so they have already discriminated to inventory. 
A nice treat compared to either the brand shop stocking only the mother 
ship's product or the P-mart wannabe LBS with every product made on the 
shelf. Experience is pointless if not shared.

I heeded their advice with my Baby Shoe Pass bike when building it up. I 
had been in the tubed camp before that out of inertia and a lack of 
experience. With their encouragement and having read of many listers' 
adventures with tubeless, I moved beyond my hesitations. With respect to 
their input and my own insight, my 700x40 commuter remains tubed partly 
because it's a 90% likelihood it will be dark if I did have a flat and I'm 
not interested enough in the tubeless benefits for the Schwalbe Marathon 
tires to face the task of using a tube to inflate a failed tubeless tire on 
the roadside, at night after a long day at work. Certainly not interested 
in arriving to work late, covered in liberated tubeless sealant following 
the task.

I think you'll enjoy the newfound lightness and ride of your tubeless 
setup.  

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Greetings. I plan to install either Rene Herse Juniper Ridge (48mm) or 
> Umtanum Ridge (55mm) tires on my new Clem Smith Jr. It currently has G1 all 
> round tires in 2.25" width (57mm). Running tubes currently, considering 
> tubeless. I actually quite like the G1 tires but they are heavy. I weigh 
> 170 lbs. and use the bike primarily for mixed surface rides, preferably 
> smooth gravel / hardpack including light touring / bikepacking. I have the 
> Fleecer Ridge (55mm) tires on a different bike and they are pretty great 
> tubeless. I am leaning towards the Junipers to insure ample room for 
> (future?) fenders but interested in others opinions, especially on a Clem. 
> In any case I will likely use the standard casing and the rims are 
> Cliffhangers. I have had favorable comments from a couple of Juniper users 
> but have yet to talk to anyone using the larger tire.
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: VO Stem opinion

[Johnny Alien]

140 is very long. If 80 is only "a little too short" then 120 is probably 
more likely to work than 140.

I agree the quill adaptor and stem could give you a lot of flexibility for 
trying the different length out.

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 5:27:48 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Deepak, I've used the VO adapter and a 130mm +6 degree rise 4 bolt stem 
> with Albatross bars since 2009 or something. They are what they are, just 
> the quill part of a stem, a long hunk of forged aluminum with a long bolt 
> and expanding wedge inside. The flexibility of changing stems while leaving 
> the bars as-is is priceless. Each style of stem, be it a one or two parts, 
> work fine. The VO adapter + stem is no more/less stiff than any other 
> quill, in case you're wondering. I see no advantage of the Nitto 
> faceplatter over the quill adapter + stem, as I don't weigh parts and a two 
> part combo looks just fine to me. I do have a 135mm faceplater I bought for 
> the Susie, but have not assembled it. I may never use it and go with an 
> adapter + stem instead if either the length isn't right or I don't need 
> it's height. 
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 12:15:32 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> This is what you want!:
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/185324918808?hash=item2b2639d818:g:jl4AAOSwkUFiIht5
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> No opinion on the VO adapter, but I'd venture a guess that a 120mm stem 
>>> is still going to be too short.   Personal preference and fit will of 
>>> course vary, but I had an alumunium non-bullmoose Bosco bar on my Clem, 
>>> with a 140mm quill stem, and it was just barely long enough.  The atlantis 
>>> has a much shorter top tube.  (Depending on the vintage of yours, it might 
>>> be MUCH shorter.)  1" quill stems in the 140 -150 mm range from the 80s are 
>>> pretty plentiful and easy to find.  Ritchey made a good one.  Another tip 
>>> is to get one with a wide clamp, to minimize the bar torsion that feels 
>>> flexy.  I know people often cut the end off the bar to make it work when 
>>> it's too close, but I would advise against that too - at least until you've 
>>> had time to try it uncut.  The sloped and front horizontal parts are 
>>> interesting as secondary grip positions, but mostly in concept only.  
>>> What's really nice is having that long primary grip position to move around 
>>> on.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:25:31 PM UTC-7 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I recently got a Bosco bar for my Atlantis . The current 80 mm face 
 platter stem I have seems little too short . Wanted to try 120 mm . I was 
 thinking of threadless stem adaptor and getting threadless stem , so that 
 I 
 can swap out the stem for different length if that doesn’t work. Has 
 anyone 
 had experience with VO adapter and stem and how does it compare to nitto . 
 Don’t want to invest /commit to nitto given how expensive they are 
 compared 
 to VO.

 Cheers ,
 Deepak

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Roaduno 2022 concepts

[lconley]

Ooh - a vintage TA handlebar mounted water bottle bottle cage!

Laing

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:56:14 PM UTC-5 Max S wrote:

> http://www.63xc.com/scorcher/nakash.jpg
>
> [image: Ibis Scorcher.jpg]
>
> - Max "mic drop" in A2
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 4:30:17 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Will responded to my email, explaining my mistake.  I saw instagram 
>> photos of prototypes.  I mistakenly thought that meant Riv has them.  The 
>> builder has them.  Then they will be painted.  Then they will be shipped.  
>> Then they will be assembled.  Then somebody can ride them.  
>>
>> I'll be patient...
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:06:38 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> There was an Instagram post showing that Riv has prototype samples of 
>>> all sizes of RoadUno, inviting us to come test ride them.  I just emailed 
>>> Will to find out if they really have a 57 ready to test ride for me.  Has 
>>> anybody ridden one at RBWHQ?
>>>
>>> I haven't seen numbers yet, but since they say "designed for swept bars" 
>>> I'm going to take them at their word that I won't be putting drops on a 
>>> RoadUno.  I think my urbanscorcher version of a RoadUno might have Riv 
>>> Bullmoose bars.  What would you run?  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Tire choice, tubeless vs. tubes

[lconley]

All of my bikes still have tubes. Tubeless is a solution to a problem that 
I do not have - just seems like added maintenance to me. I have changed to 
Velo-Plugs instead of rim tape in the last few years though - re-useable 
and lighter than cloth rim tape.
Tubeless doesn't sound like the most environmentally sound thing to do 
either. What exactly is evaporating into the atmosphere anyway?

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:54:50 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> +1 to NIck's point. 
>
> Tubeless is a good choice if you ride often enough or are disciplined 
> enough to keep your sealant circulated and the tire is an appropriate size. 
> My trusted LBS feels that 42 is the width that clearly reaches the positive 
> benefit/detriment balance (that was relative to my conversation regarding 
> 650B wheels).Their feeling comes from combined experiences with 
> conversions, bike and wheel builds as well as maintenance of customer bikes 
> with all sorts of tubeless wheels. They sell plenty of mountain and trail 
> bikes but also stock RH, SON, B&M and Orange Seal products. They're too 
> small to stock everything so they have already discriminated to inventory. 
> A nice treat compared to either the brand shop stocking only the mother 
> ship's product or the P-mart wannabe LBS with every product made on the 
> shelf. Experience is pointless if not shared.
>
> I heeded their advice with my Baby Shoe Pass bike when building it up. I 
> had been in the tubed camp before that out of inertia and a lack of 
> experience. With their encouragement and having read of many listers' 
> adventures with tubeless, I moved beyond my hesitations. With respect to 
> their input and my own insight, my 700x40 commuter remains tubed partly 
> because it's a 90% likelihood it will be dark if I did have a flat and I'm 
> not interested enough in the tubeless benefits for the Schwalbe Marathon 
> tires to face the task of using a tube to inflate a failed tubeless tire on 
> the roadside, at night after a long day at work. Certainly not interested 
> in arriving to work late, covered in liberated tubeless sealant following 
> the task.
>
> I think you'll enjoy the newfound lightness and ride of your tubeless 
> setup.  
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Greetings. I plan to install either Rene Herse Juniper Ridge (48mm) or 
>> Umtanum Ridge (55mm) tires on my new Clem Smith Jr. It currently has G1 all 
>> round tires in 2.25" width (57mm). Running tubes currently, considering 
>> tubeless. I actually quite like the G1 tires but they are heavy. I weigh 
>> 170 lbs. and use the bike primarily for mixed surface rides, preferably 
>> smooth gravel / hardpack including light touring / bikepacking. I have the 
>> Fleecer Ridge (55mm) tires on a different bike and they are pretty great 
>> tubeless. I am leaning towards the Junipers to insure ample room for 
>> (future?) fenders but interested in others opinions, especially on a Clem. 
>> In any case I will likely use the standard casing and the rims are 
>> Cliffhangers. I have had favorable comments from a couple of Juniper users 
>> but have yet to talk to anyone using the larger tire.
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: VO Stem opinion

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I've successfully used the VO adapter and a variety of threadless faceplate 
stems for exactly what you are thinking of doing and would certainly 
recommend it.  I found a bunch of used stems or take-offs at some local 
shops and in the bins at a co-op for about $5 each and have used several of 
those to try to find the best lengths on a couple builds.

I cannot directly compare the VO to Nitto quill adapters but I could 
directly compare the VO to SOMA and for what you are looking to achieve I 
would strongly recommend the VO over the SOMA (unless you REALLY needed the 
height of the SOMA which was much taller in quill length.)  The VO requires 
no top cap and has a one piece quill top with counterbore to accept the 
bolt head.  The SOMA, on the other hand, uses a separate top cap with a lip 
to tighten the quill bolt and wedge after the stem is installed just like 
for preload on a full threadless system,  meaning in order to swap 
threadless stems you are fully removing the quill from the steering column 
each and every time to fit a new stem length whereas with the VO you could 
leave the quill adapter in place and simply loosen the stem pinch bolts and 
faceplate, drop in the new stem, tighten, and go.

One last note that with the VO the bottom lip where the bolt on stem rests 
does limit the stack height of the threadless stems... I want to say it was 
around 40mm - VO probably lists in the product page and the VO stems of 
course fit seamlessly - A Dimension brand stem I have was just a hair 
taller with an ever so slight overlap on top compared to the VO.  None I've 
personally tried were so extreme to place a pinch bolt above the top of 
adapter but just something to be aware, especially with some 2 bolt stems 
that may have a taller stack.

Brian Cole
Lawrence NJ



On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:25:31 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:

> I recently got a Bosco bar for my Atlantis . The current 80 mm face 
> platter stem I have seems little too short . Wanted to try 120 mm . I was 
> thinking of threadless stem adaptor and getting threadless stem , so that I 
> can swap out the stem for different length if that doesn’t work. Has anyone 
> had experience with VO adapter and stem and how does it compare to nitto . 
> Don’t want to invest /commit to nitto given how expensive they are compared 
> to VO.
>
> Cheers ,
> Deepak
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire choice, tubeless vs. tubes

[Richard Rose]

I cannot answer those questions, I just do not know. I have however benefited 
from tubeless on my various mountain bikes for years. And it has saved me from 
having to repair a flat on my cold, dark commute. That said, not sure I need it 
on this bike. I will mention that Tanglefoot Cycles has said “every touring 
bike should be tubeless”, and they are very well known for being 
environmentally responsible.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2022, at 9:08 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> All of my bikes still have tubes. Tubeless is a solution to a problem that I 
> do not have - just seems like added maintenance to me. I have changed to 
> Velo-Plugs instead of rim tape in the last few years though - re-useable and 
> lighter than cloth rim tape.
> Tubeless doesn't sound like the most environmentally sound thing to do 
> either. What exactly is evaporating into the atmosphere anyway?
> 
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:54:50 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>> +1 to NIck's point. 
>> 
>> Tubeless is a good choice if you ride often enough or are disciplined enough 
>> to keep your sealant circulated and the tire is an appropriate size. My 
>> trusted LBS feels that 42 is the width that clearly reaches the positive 
>> benefit/detriment balance (that was relative to my conversation regarding 
>> 650B wheels).Their feeling comes from combined experiences with conversions, 
>> bike and wheel builds as well as maintenance of customer bikes with all 
>> sorts of tubeless wheels. They sell plenty of mountain and trail bikes but 
>> also stock RH, SON, B&M and Orange Seal products. They're too small to stock 
>> everything so they have already discriminated to inventory. A nice treat 
>> compared to either the brand shop stocking only the mother ship's product or 
>> the P-mart wannabe LBS with every product made on the shelf. Experience is 
>> pointless if not shared.
>> 
>> I heeded their advice with my Baby Shoe Pass bike when building it up. I had 
>> been in the tubed camp before that out of inertia and a lack of experience. 
>> With their encouragement and having read of many listers' adventures with 
>> tubeless, I moved beyond my hesitations. With respect to their input and my 
>> own insight, my 700x40 commuter remains tubed partly because it's a 90% 
>> likelihood it will be dark if I did have a flat and I'm not interested 
>> enough in the tubeless benefits for the Schwalbe Marathon tires to face the 
>> task of using a tube to inflate a failed tubeless tire on the roadside, at 
>> night after a long day at work. Certainly not interested in arriving to work 
>> late, covered in liberated tubeless sealant following the task.
>> 
>> I think you'll enjoy the newfound lightness and ride of your tubeless setup. 
>>  
>> 
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 8:48:16 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Greetings. I plan to install either Rene Herse Juniper Ridge (48mm) or 
>>> Umtanum Ridge (55mm) tires on my new Clem Smith Jr. It currently has G1 all 
>>> round tires in 2.25" width (57mm). Running tubes currently, considering 
>>> tubeless. I actually quite like the G1 tires but they are heavy. I weigh 
>>> 170 lbs. and use the bike primarily for mixed surface rides, preferably 
>>> smooth gravel / hardpack including light touring / bikepacking. I have the 
>>> Fleecer Ridge (55mm) tires on a different bike and they are pretty great 
>>> tubeless. I am leaning towards the Junipers to insure ample room for 
>>> (future?) fenders but interested in others opinions, especially on a Clem. 
>>> In any case I will likely use the standard casing and the rims are 
>>> Cliffhangers. I have had favorable comments from a couple of Juniper users 
>>> but have yet to talk to anyone using the larger tire.
>>> Thanks!
> 
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[RBW] Re: VO Stem opinion

[Tom Wyland]

I have a generic (eBay direct ship from China) stem adaptor and VO stem on 
my Platy. It was intended to be temporary as others noted you can easily 
swap out inexpensive stems to find the right length.   I'm not happy with 
the way the stem adaptor flexes.  I also don't care for the look of the fat 
stem on top of the skinny adaptor.  I'm switching to a VO quill faceplate 
stem shortly (delivery today!).  I'll let you know how that works out.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: VO Stem opinion

[Ed Carolipio]

I have a VO one and the "tall" NItto one. (There's a short version for less 
$$). I think the VO would be good enough for your application since you 
want to run Boscos and you don't need to get the handlebars higher. As 
Brian Cole points out, the VO one does have a lower lip which limits the 
stack height of the stem you can use. I run it with a VO stem that pairs 
really well aesthetically with the quill adapter.

Other differences include the place where the stem clamps being knurled on 
the Nitto while smooth on the VO. The finish on the VO is "shiny" and looks 
great while new but I can't comment on long term durability. The Nitto is 
their typical dullbright, bulletproof finish. I don't ride my bikes hard so 
I can't tell you which holds their "clamp" better: both have been equally 
solid in the months I've owned them for the riding which I do.

--Ed C.
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:20:23 AM UTC-8 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I've successfully used the VO adapter and a variety of threadless 
> faceplate stems for exactly what you are thinking of doing and would 
> certainly recommend it.  I found a bunch of used stems or take-offs at some 
> local shops and in the bins at a co-op for about $5 each and have used 
> several of those to try to find the best lengths on a couple builds.
>
> I cannot directly compare the VO to Nitto quill adapters but I could 
> directly compare the VO to SOMA and for what you are looking to achieve I 
> would strongly recommend the VO over the SOMA (unless you REALLY needed the 
> height of the SOMA which was much taller in quill length.)  The VO requires 
> no top cap and has a one piece quill top with counterbore to accept the 
> bolt head.  The SOMA, on the other hand, uses a separate top cap with a lip 
> to tighten the quill bolt and wedge after the stem is installed just like 
> for preload on a full threadless system,  meaning in order to swap 
> threadless stems you are fully removing the quill from the steering column 
> each and every time to fit a new stem length whereas with the VO you could 
> leave the quill adapter in place and simply loosen the stem pinch bolts and 
> faceplate, drop in the new stem, tighten, and go.
>
> One last note that with the VO the bottom lip where the bolt on stem rests 
> does limit the stack height of the threadless stems... I want to say it was 
> around 40mm - VO probably lists in the product page and the VO stems of 
> course fit seamlessly - A Dimension brand stem I have was just a hair 
> taller with an ever so slight overlap on top compared to the VO.  None I've 
> personally tried were so extreme to place a pinch bolt above the top of 
> adapter but just something to be aware, especially with some 2 bolt stems 
> that may have a taller stack.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence NJ
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:25:31 PM UTC-5 atreya...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I recently got a Bosco bar for my Atlantis . The current 80 mm face 
>> platter stem I have seems little too short . Wanted to try 120 mm . I was 
>> thinking of threadless stem adaptor and getting threadless stem , so that I 
>> can swap out the stem for different length if that doesn’t work. Has anyone 
>> had experience with VO adapter and stem and how does it compare to nitto . 
>> Don’t want to invest /commit to nitto given how expensive they are compared 
>> to VO.
>>
>> Cheers ,
>> Deepak
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Shop VIsit Video

[Bill Lindsay]

The latest Grant Blagh also pumps my anticipation for lug-bandanas.  On top 
of that...Anna doing karaoke!  That was sensational.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:

> If the lug bandanas and the new knickers come in on the same day, I think 
> it'll be a long tomorrow in the shipping department.
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:38:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Lug Bandana!!!  @6:45
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 1:25:16 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> I just watched this and came here to post it. Here's the link: 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>>>
>>> It's a great convo with Grant - a lot of stuff we've all heard before, 
>>> but also some little tidbits and peeks that are worth the half hour. I 
>>> really want a purple Charlie now, but I wish Grant was still talking about 
>>> horses all the time.
>>>
>>> Paul in AR
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:18:07 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Russ at Path Less Pedaled posted a new YouTube video of his recent 
 visit to Riv HQ and Grant Peterson.
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Choco-Norm bars

[arthur]

Hello: looking for a used set of Choco-Norm bars to try them out (again!).

Thanks!

Art
Tacoma

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Shop VIsit Video

[Eric Marth]

I'm glad to hear you're excited about the bandanas, Bill, I am too. I 
designed 'em! 
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:46:20 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The latest Grant Blagh also pumps my anticipation for lug-bandanas.  On 
> top of that...Anna doing karaoke!  That was sensational.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> If the lug bandanas and the new knickers come in on the same day, I think 
>> it'll be a long tomorrow in the shipping department.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:38:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Lug Bandana!!!  @6:45
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 1:25:16 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
 I just watched this and came here to post it. Here's the link: 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA

 It's a great convo with Grant - a lot of stuff we've all heard before, 
 but also some little tidbits and peeks that are worth the half hour. I 
 really want a purple Charlie now, but I wish Grant was still talking about 
 horses all the time.

 Paul in AR

 On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:18:07 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Russ at Path Less Pedaled posted a new YouTube video of his recent 
> visit to Riv HQ and Grant Peterson.



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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Shop VIsit Video

[Bill Lindsay]

Nice work Eric!

Grant made a big mistake saying in the video they were going to price them 
at $8.  I happily paid $20 for a PAUL bandana and I would have happily paid 
$20 for this one.  At $8 they are going to sell out fast, and there will be 
handwringers who didn't get one, and bellyachers complaining that they were 
overpriced at $8, and more whiners when Grant's prophecy comes true and 
they appear on eBay with a markup.  People!  Haha.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:33:03 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm glad to hear you're excited about the bandanas, Bill, I am too. I 
> designed 'em! 
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:46:20 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The latest Grant Blagh also pumps my anticipation for lug-bandanas.  On 
>> top of that...Anna doing karaoke!  That was sensational.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>>> If the lug bandanas and the new knickers come in on the same day, I 
>>> think it'll be a long tomorrow in the shipping department.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:38:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Lug Bandana!!!  @6:45

 BL in EC

 On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 1:25:16 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I just watched this and came here to post it. Here's the link: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>
> It's a great convo with Grant - a lot of stuff we've all heard before, 
> but also some little tidbits and peeks that are worth the half hour. I 
> really want a purple Charlie now, but I wish Grant was still talking 
> about 
> horses all the time.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:18:07 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Russ at Path Less Pedaled posted a new YouTube video of his recent 
>> visit to Riv HQ and Grant Peterson.
>
>

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[RBW] WTT: MKS/VP pedals for MKS pedals

[John Bokman]

Hi all. I'm looking for MKS Allways pedals for Sam. I have two pedals that 
are surplus to my needs:
1. MKS Sylvan Touring (nearly new)
2. MKS Urban Platform (nearly new, just threaded into crank arms and not 
ridden; I also have XL Deep toe clips and straps if you want 'em)
3. (I also have VP Vice, nearly new, in silver if interested in non-MKS)

If any of you rivsters are looking to unload your Allways pedals, lemme 
know!

John Bokman
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

[Patch T]

I'll have to dig out photos later, but I've done this a couple times - with 
and without clearcoat. I prefer the results without clearcoat. But if you 
don't wipe down your bike frequently, the rust that collects rubs off on 
your clothes easily. Something to be aware of.

Patch, whose commuter was a stripped, raw early 80s Trek 950 with RTPs 
(rust=theft prevention!) until carrying it up the flight of stairs home 
daily got all his clothes dirty, in NYC

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:23:27 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> While not a Riv, I had a 2017 Kona Roadhouse with some brass simworks 
> fenders that looked sweet. Clear coat over raw showcasing the fillet over 
> tig welds.
>
> [image: trashed-1609528015-IMG_20190222_123114.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:20:45 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm working on a project and considering going the raw steel finish 
>> route, with a clear. 
>>
>> I hope people can share some pictures of raw steel bikes for inspiration. 
>>
>> Here are a few images I've saved.
>>
>>- Lyle's Rivendell Rambouillet 
>>   - Oil buffed in with scotchbrite pads 
>>- Sal's Trek 950
>>   - Raw with clear shellac 
>>- This Rivendell Glorious from facebook
>>   - I believe these got a clear powdercoat
>>
>>
>> [image: download.jpg]
>> [image: 37166652_218919018822897_3133483443376095232_n.jpg]
>> [image: 272456597_6980658778672856_3904882088288009621_n.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire choice, tubeless vs. tubes

[Patrick Moore]

Goatheads: YES. No goatheads: tubes NO, tubeless probably.

Sealant is wonderful and something you really don't want to avoid if you
live in goathead country, since it lets you ride wonderful light and supple
tires that, without sealant, would get literally a thorn flat every 2-5
miles. As I've repeated endlessly, Orange Seal regular in tubes (Endurance
does not work, but the Regular does not dry into a lump as Stan's did back
circa 2014), and OS Endurance tubeless (does not dry into lumps; dries
instead into a skin on the inside of the casing, tho' if you open up a tire
where the sealant is only half-dried, you'll find sticky strings and
membranes stretching throughout the casing).

BUT!!! Were it not for goatheads, and were I riding in evironments where
flats were rare, say no more than 1 a week for all bikes (yep, that's rare
for me; I'd be happy to fix 1 flat per week), I'd not bother with it for
tubes; easy enough to patch tubes or swap in a spare and patch the flatted
one at home. And, sealant, for all its benefits, is still a hassle and
messy compared to no sealant. For well-designed tubeless tires set up
tubeless on well-designed tubeless rims, like Big Ones on Blunt SS's, I
might still use sealant, and carry plugs for bigger holes, since the
resulting minor hassle and occasional mess is little more annoying than 1
flat per week, and if you can avoid a 250 gram tube, why not? (Esp when
tires are only 450 grams.)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire choice, tubeless vs. tubes

[Patrick Moore]

As for toxic fumes leaked by sealant into the atmosphere, I'd bet a dollar
or more that these are less than the fumes leaked by vulcanizing fluid into
the air when you fix a puncture in your tube.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 1:28 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Goatheads: YES. No goatheads: tubes NO, tubeless probably.
>
> Sealant is wonderful and something you really don't want to avoid if you
> live in goathead country, since it lets you ride wonderful light and supple
> tires that, without sealant, would get literally a thorn flat every 2-5
> miles. As I've repeated endlessly, Orange Seal regular in tubes (Endurance
> does not work, but the Regular does not dry into a lump as Stan's did back
> circa 2014), and OS Endurance tubeless (does not dry into lumps; dries
> instead into a skin on the inside of the casing, tho' if you open up a tire
> where the sealant is only half-dried, you'll find sticky strings and
> membranes stretching throughout the casing).
>
> BUT!!! Were it not for goatheads, and were I riding in evironments where
> flats were rare, say no more than 1 a week for all bikes (yep, that's rare
> for me; I'd be happy to fix 1 flat per week), I'd not bother with it for
> tubes; easy enough to patch tubes or swap in a spare and patch the flatted
> one at home. And, sealant, for all its benefits, is still a hassle and
> messy compared to no sealant. For well-designed tubeless tires set up
> tubeless on well-designed tubeless rims, like Big Ones on Blunt SS's, I
> might still use sealant, and carry plugs for bigger holes, since the
> resulting minor hassle and occasional mess is little more annoying than 1
> flat per week, and if you can avoid a 250 gram tube, why not? (Esp when
> tires are only 450 grams.)
>


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[RBW] Re: WTB 59cm Atlantis

[Coco Menk]

Look here... An eagle soars through the sky. A wind, harsh as its 
surroundings, blows.
Look here... A beaver perched upon the ice, long awaited the newly emerged 
skunk cabbage in the swamps.
Look there... Two intrepid travelers setting out for an adventure
Oh no! It seems one of them is missing a 59cm Atlantis! Lo! perhaps one of 
you can help! 

We're headed out for an extended distanced tour fairly soon and hoping to 
have a long tail Atlantis 59 to go with us. Please spare us the humiliation 
of being upright on conventional geometry!

Sending love out in these trying times <3!
Coco
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 3:09:38 PM UTC-4 Coco Menk wrote:

> Almost had one but owner backed out at the last minute - was originally 
> thinking 62 cm for my bf because he is quite tall, but he's now saying he 
> would prefer the 59. Looking for the newer geo please! :)
>
> Coco
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: New Fabio's Tech Chest Large w/ Pec deck

[frankie garcia]

Apologies. Selling this for 280 with the Pec deck.

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:59:52 PM UTC-6 frankie garcia wrote:

> Never used. Great condition. Buyer covers fees and shipping. 
> Located in Houston Texas
>
> -F.Garcia
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[RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

[Eric Marth]

Thanks to you all for sharing. 

Eric: Do you have any color pics that show the corrosion, surface rust and 
patina? 

Patch: Your experience sounds helpful! I'd love to see some pictures when 
you have a chance. Did you ever find a way to maintain some corrosion and 
patina? Like letting it weather a bit before adding the clear coat? 
Understood regarding the powdery surface rust being an issue. I've 
encountered this plenty when looking through old rusted tools. 

Here's hoping Jason Fuller has some info to share about his Bombadil, 
formerly clear powder-coated, now beautifully painted. 


On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:02:44 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> I'll have to dig out photos later, but I've done this a couple times - 
> with and without clearcoat. I prefer the results without clearcoat. But if 
> you don't wipe down your bike frequently, the rust that collects rubs off 
> on your clothes easily. Something to be aware of.
>
> Patch, whose commuter was a stripped, raw early 80s Trek 950 with RTPs 
> (rust=theft prevention!) until carrying it up the flight of stairs home 
> daily got all his clothes dirty, in NYC
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:23:27 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:
>
>> While not a Riv, I had a 2017 Kona Roadhouse with some brass simworks 
>> fenders that looked sweet. Clear coat over raw showcasing the fillet over 
>> tig welds.
>>
>> [image: trashed-1609528015-IMG_20190222_123114.jpg]
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:20:45 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on a project and considering going the raw steel finish 
>>> route, with a clear. 
>>>
>>> I hope people can share some pictures of raw steel bikes for 
>>> inspiration. 
>>>
>>> Here are a few images I've saved.
>>>
>>>- Lyle's Rivendell Rambouillet 
>>>   - Oil buffed in with scotchbrite pads 
>>>- Sal's Trek 950
>>>   - Raw with clear shellac 
>>>- This Rivendell Glorious from facebook
>>>   - I believe these got a clear powdercoat
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: download.jpg]
>>> [image: 37166652_218919018822897_3133483443376095232_n.jpg]
>>> [image: 272456597_6980658778672856_3904882088288009621_n.jpg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Rivendell Shop VIsit Video

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Bill! 

Fortunately, I don't think they'll sell out right away. Let's just say... 
they are getting a *lot *of them. Made in the USA by the same people who 
make the Hav A Hank paisley bandanas we all know and love. 

>From what I understand Grant wanted the pricing to be low because in 
certain situations a bandana needs to be disposable or consumable. And at 
$20 that could really hurt! 

I suggested the fancy bandana makers but Grant said no way, too expensive. 
They might have also had a hard time hitting the quantity for the order. I 
think getting the price down was a great way to go. That'll ensure we can 
all have a small hoard of them. 

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 1:40:55 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Nice work Eric!
>
> Grant made a big mistake saying in the video they were going to price them 
> at $8.  I happily paid $20 for a PAUL bandana and I would have happily paid 
> $20 for this one.  At $8 they are going to sell out fast, and there will be 
> handwringers who didn't get one, and bellyachers complaining that they were 
> overpriced at $8, and more whiners when Grant's prophecy comes true and 
> they appear on eBay with a markup.  People!  Haha.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 9:33:03 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm glad to hear you're excited about the bandanas, Bill, I am too. I 
>> designed 'em! 
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:46:20 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The latest Grant Blagh also pumps my anticipation for lug-bandanas.  On 
>>> top of that...Anna doing karaoke!  That was sensational.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:13:47 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>>>
 If the lug bandanas and the new knickers come in on the same day, I 
 think it'll be a long tomorrow in the shipping department.

 On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 3:38:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Lug Bandana!!!  @6:45
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 1:25:16 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:
>
>> I just watched this and came here to post it. Here's the link: 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_K2UFRs_qA
>>
>> It's a great convo with Grant - a lot of stuff we've all heard 
>> before, but also some little tidbits and peeks that are worth the half 
>> hour. I really want a purple Charlie now, but I wish Grant was still 
>> talking about horses all the time.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:18:07 PM UTC-6 cycli...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Russ at Path Less Pedaled posted a new YouTube video of his recent 
>>> visit to Riv HQ and Grant Peterson.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riding on the levees

[Craig Montgomery]

You better be careful out there Laing, cuz  *"When the levee breaks, we'll 
have no place to stay"*

Craig in Tucson where it hasn't rained in weeks. 

On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 12:56:15 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I have been doing more riding on the levees in the last few weeks. Both 
> days this weekend. Yesterday was Turkey Vulture Day. They were all over the 
> levee, I think they were resting - very windy. There were a few today also 
> - today's were less skittish - they just walked aside as I approached, 
> didn't take off. Even saw one deer today. I also found a bench on the levee 
> today, still no shade, but at least a place to sit that wasn't in the dirt.
> The bike has gained more parts from the stash. Ergon GP-3 grips on Nitto 
> Wavie bars. Way more comfortable than the Rustines grips. The Nitto 
> Jitensha bars were too narrow at the ends to get the Ergon grips and brake 
> levers on. The 26.0 Dirt Drop stem was switched for a 25.4 Dirt Drop to 
> match the bars. Brooks saddlebag added also. Just a multi-tool in there 
> now, but need to dig up a spare tube, pump and tire iron as my distance 
> increases. The miles seem to go by a lot quicker for some reason on the 
> levees than on bike paths or the road. Not really riding much faster, 
> though, up from 7.1 mph to a blistering 7.8 mph.
>
> [image: EG3.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>

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[RBW] Re: Share some pictures: Raw steel bikes

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Steven, that laser cutting trick is another level. 

On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:33:50 PM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:

> satin clear powder coat on this serrota club special.
> the logos were sandblasted into the steel with a vinyl-cut mask prior to 
> the clear coat.
> [image: DSCF3630.jpg][image: DSCF3620.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 6:30:02 PM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:
>
>> matte clear powder coat on this simpleone
>> [image: DSCF8190.jpg]
>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 5:26:52 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks to you all for sharing. 
>>>
>>> Eric: Do you have any color pics that show the corrosion, surface rust 
>>> and patina? 
>>>
>>> Patch: Your experience sounds helpful! I'd love to see some pictures 
>>> when you have a chance. Did you ever find a way to maintain some corrosion 
>>> and patina? Like letting it weather a bit before adding the clear coat? 
>>> Understood regarding the powdery surface rust being an issue. I've 
>>> encountered this plenty when looking through old rusted tools. 
>>>
>>> Here's hoping Jason Fuller has some info to share about his Bombadil, 
>>> formerly clear powder-coated, now beautifully painted. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 3:02:44 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 I'll have to dig out photos later, but I've done this a couple times - 
 with and without clearcoat. I prefer the results without clearcoat. But if 
 you don't wipe down your bike frequently, the rust that collects rubs off 
 on your clothes easily. Something to be aware of.

 Patch, whose commuter was a stripped, raw early 80s Trek 950 with RTPs 
 (rust=theft prevention!) until carrying it up the flight of stairs home 
 daily got all his clothes dirty, in NYC

 On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 2:23:27 PM UTC-5 Collin A wrote:

> While not a Riv, I had a 2017 Kona Roadhouse with some brass simworks 
> fenders that looked sweet. Clear coat over raw showcasing the fillet over 
> tig welds.
>
> [image: trashed-1609528015-IMG_20190222_123114.jpg]
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 10:20:45 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm working on a project and considering going the raw steel finish 
>> route, with a clear. 
>>
>> I hope people can share some pictures of raw steel bikes for 
>> inspiration. 
>>
>> Here are a few images I've saved.
>>
>>- Lyle's Rivendell Rambouillet 
>>   - Oil buffed in with scotchbrite pads 
>>- Sal's Trek 950
>>   - Raw with clear shellac 
>>- This Rivendell Glorious from facebook
>>   - I believe these got a clear powdercoat
>>
>>
>> [image: download.jpg]
>> [image: 37166652_218919018822897_3133483443376095232_n.jpg]
>> [image: 272456597_6980658778672856_3904882088288009621_n.jpg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: Tire choice, tubeless vs. tubes

[Clark Fitzgerald]

I had 2.25 G1 all round tires tubeless- made for a plush, buttery ride. The 
55mm Rene Herse knobbies tubeless were similar, but noticeably louder / 
more annoying on pavement.

Now I'm on 48mm Rene Herse knobbies with tubes and they are *much* quieter 
and more precise handling on pavement than the two above tires.

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:48:16 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Greetings. I plan to install either Rene Herse Juniper Ridge (48mm) or 
> Umtanum Ridge (55mm) tires on my new Clem Smith Jr. It currently has G1 all 
> round tires in 2.25" width (57mm). Running tubes currently, considering 
> tubeless. I actually quite like the G1 tires but they are heavy. I weigh 
> 170 lbs. and use the bike primarily for mixed surface rides, preferably 
> smooth gravel / hardpack including light touring / bikepacking. I have the 
> Fleecer Ridge (55mm) tires on a different bike and they are pretty great 
> tubeless. I am leaning towards the Junipers to insure ample room for 
> (future?) fenders but interested in others opinions, especially on a Clem. 
> In any case I will likely use the standard casing and the rims are 
> Cliffhangers. I have had favorable comments from a couple of Juniper users 
> but have yet to talk to anyone using the larger tire.
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Where We’re At: False Spring to Pre-Spring

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Who has uplifting photos of their bikes in springtime to share? Bonus 
points if your bike is parked in front of a flowering tree. This is the 
thing I miss most about Vegas - springtime with cherry blossom trees. Rivs 
with flowering trees - we can make this a thing. It would be a welcome 
distraction from the sadness in the news.

It’s my first winter in Michigan, and I’m ready for it to be over. I have 
looked longingly at my bikes hanging in the garage over January and 
February. Now it’s March, and the locals have promised that we get spring 2 
weeks into it. We’ve had a 60 degree day that plunged to 28 degrees the 
following day. The day after THAT it snowed. Nature is telling lies and 
it’s hard on a person, but it is the way of things here. I think we are 
somewhere between False Spring and Pre-Spring. Real Spring might be here 
late next week. 

The snow is mostly melted and the roads are completely clear. There is 
green grass popping up and The lakes are thawing and there is much 
birdsong. I’ve taken advantage of the days that offer a little sunshine 
(though it’s only 30-some degrees) and have been exploring by bike. The 
Clem is a wanderer, and the Platys are purpose-driven. You want to move 
quickly, you take the Raspberry. You want to run errands, you take the 
Mermaid. I’m in love with the whole trio. Here’s what we’ve been up to. 
Photos in the next post.

Looking forward to seeing your photos, too.
Leah 

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[RBW] Riding everywhwere article

[Pam Bikes]

Here's an article you may enjoy.  My Betty can do it all - ably.  Try it on 
your bike.
https://ui.charlotte.edu/story/heres-how-pam-murray-lives-car-free-charlotte

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding on the levees

[Eric Daume]

Last time I went to the levy, I drove my GM car, but it turned out the levy
was dry.

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 7:34 PM Craig Montgomery 
wrote:

> You better be careful out there Laing, cuz  *"When the levee breaks,
> we'll have no place to stay"*
>
> Craig in Tucson where it hasn't rained in weeks.
>
> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 12:56:15 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> I have been doing more riding on the levees in the last few weeks. Both
>> days this weekend. Yesterday was Turkey Vulture Day. They were all over the
>> levee, I think they were resting - very windy. There were a few today also
>> - today's were less skittish - they just walked aside as I approached,
>> didn't take off. Even saw one deer today. I also found a bench on the levee
>> today, still no shade, but at least a place to sit that wasn't in the dirt.
>> The bike has gained more parts from the stash. Ergon GP-3 grips on Nitto
>> Wavie bars. Way more comfortable than the Rustines grips. The Nitto
>> Jitensha bars were too narrow at the ends to get the Ergon grips and brake
>> levers on. The 26.0 Dirt Drop stem was switched for a 25.4 Dirt Drop to
>> match the bars. Brooks saddlebag added also. Just a multi-tool in there
>> now, but need to dig up a spare tube, pump and tire iron as my distance
>> increases. The miles seem to go by a lot quicker for some reason on the
>> levees than on bike paths or the road. Not really riding much faster,
>> though, up from 7.1 mph to a blistering 7.8 mph.
>>
>> [image: EG3.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riding everywhwere article

[Doug H.]

Pam,
I enjoyed the article and you are inspiring in your ability and willingness 
to ride most any road. I'm curious about what lights, reflective clothing, 
etc. you use to be seen by drivers? I ride on roads often but there are 
some that I avoid for fear of being hit or honestly being a nuisance. I 
should adopt your attitude that I have a right to be on any road where 
bicycles are not specifically forbidden such as interstates.
Thanks,
Doug
Athens, Ga

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> Here's an article you may enjoy.  My Betty can do it all - ably.  Try it 
> on your bike.
>
> https://ui.charlotte.edu/story/heres-how-pam-murray-lives-car-free-charlotte
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire choice, tubeless vs. tubes

[Richard Rose]

Thank You, very helpful.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2022, at 7:58 PM, Clark Fitzgerald  wrote:
> 
> I had 2.25 G1 all round tires tubeless- made for a plush, buttery ride. The 
> 55mm Rene Herse knobbies tubeless were similar, but noticeably louder / more 
> annoying on pavement.
> 
> Now I'm on 48mm Rene Herse knobbies with tubes and they are *much* quieter 
> and more precise handling on pavement than the two above tires.
> 
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:48:16 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Greetings. I plan to install either Rene Herse Juniper Ridge (48mm) or 
>> Umtanum Ridge (55mm) tires on my new Clem Smith Jr. It currently has G1 all 
>> round tires in 2.25" width (57mm). Running tubes currently, considering 
>> tubeless. I actually quite like the G1 tires but they are heavy. I weigh 170 
>> lbs. and use the bike primarily for mixed surface rides, preferably smooth 
>> gravel / hardpack including light touring / bikepacking. I have the Fleecer 
>> Ridge (55mm) tires on a different bike and they are pretty great tubeless. I 
>> am leaning towards the Junipers to insure ample room for (future?) fenders 
>> but interested in others opinions, especially on a Clem. In any case I will 
>> likely use the standard casing and the rims are Cliffhangers. I have had 
>> favorable comments from a couple of Juniper users but have yet to talk to 
>> anyone using the larger tire.
>> Thanks!
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire choice, tubeless vs. tubes

[eddietheflay]

maybe thread drift but if you have not tried tubeless yet, think twice. 
when you do get a puncture that does not seal and whatever hole filler you 
use does not fill the hole, and you have to eventually use a tube to 
proceed on your ride, that may be the point at which you ask yourself why 
you went tubeless. there's nothing quite like dealing with a tire with a 
bunch of liquid goo rolling around in it while you try to install a tube. 
one of the these messes by the side of the road was the event that made me 
love tubes again.
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 8:10:38 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank You, very helpful.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 9, 2022, at 7:58 PM, Clark Fitzgerald  wrote:
>
> I had 2.25 G1 all round tires tubeless- made for a plush, buttery ride. 
> The 55mm Rene Herse knobbies tubeless were similar, but noticeably louder / 
> more annoying on pavement.
>
>
> Now I'm on 48mm Rene Herse knobbies with tubes and they are *much* quieter 
> and more precise handling on pavement than the two above tires.
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 5:48:16 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Greetings. I plan to install either Rene Herse Juniper Ridge (48mm) or 
>> Umtanum Ridge (55mm) tires on my new Clem Smith Jr. It currently has G1 all 
>> round tires in 2.25" width (57mm). Running tubes currently, considering 
>> tubeless. I actually quite like the G1 tires but they are heavy. I weigh 
>> 170 lbs. and use the bike primarily for mixed surface rides, preferably 
>> smooth gravel / hardpack including light touring / bikepacking. I have the 
>> Fleecer Ridge (55mm) tires on a different bike and they are pretty great 
>> tubeless. I am leaning towards the Junipers to insure ample room for 
>> (future?) fenders but interested in others opinions, especially on a Clem. 
>> In any case I will likely use the standard casing and the rims are 
>> Cliffhangers. I have had favorable comments from a couple of Juniper users 
>> but have yet to talk to anyone using the larger tire.
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riding everywhwere article

[Patrick Moore]

Kudos to Pam.

Doug: I don't ride at night nearly as much as I did when I worked in an
office across town (tho' I just got back from church riding the AM-hub
Matthews with Edeluxe 1), but I expect that as long as you are not on the
busiest commuter arteries, and as long as you are well lit and reflected,
then you are actually more visible to drivers at night than during the day.

I have a dynamo headlight and battery backup, at least 2 led tail lights,
and reflectors, tonight a reflective Sam Browne. As my brother -- dyno
light and 3 blinkies on his messenger bag strap -- and I took residential
roads back to the E/W bike path, 3-4 miles, 3 cars behind us at different
times crept along behind us fearing, or otherwise not wishing, to pass us,
something that hardly ever happens on the same route during the day.

As for a right to be on the road: I used to take that attitude, and
commuted 16 miles each way across town at rush hour, a good part of the way
on major arteries (Central/Rt 66, Montano, Atrisco, Griegos), at night as
well as in daylight. I never had a close call, thank God, but now, 15 years
later (and 15 years older, nigh-67), I prefer to leave the busy roads even
with bike lanes to autos and find side streets.

Patrick "almost car free in ABQ, NM -- 450 miles in 2021 x/c 1200 miles rt
to Ft Worth and back in May in rental; 350 in 2020 -- because I have no
life" Moore

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 7:16 PM Doug H.  wrote:

> Pam,
> I enjoyed the article and you are inspiring in your ability and
> willingness to ride most any road. I'm curious about what lights,
> reflective clothing, etc. you use to be seen by drivers? I ride on roads
> often but there are some that I avoid for fear of being hit or honestly
> being a nuisance. I should adopt your attitude that I have a right to be on
> any road where bicycles are not specifically forbidden such as interstates.
> Thanks,
> Doug
> Athens, Ga
>
> On Wednesday, March 9, 2022 at 8:37:17 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Here's an article you may enjoy.  My Betty can do it all - ably.  Try it
>> on your bike.
>>
>> https://ui.charlotte.edu/story/heres-how-pam-murray-lives-car-free-charlotte
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