[RBW] Re: FS: CrustxNitto 31.8 faceplate quill Stem

[Collin A]

Sold!

Happy Sunday,
Collin in Sac

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 4:12:12 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> It's not the beautiful Riv fillet version, but it will get the job done if 
> you are hoping to try some 31.8 bars on your 1" threaded bicycle.
>
> Ordered it back in August, but too short for me after more cockpit 
> fiddling...
>
> $80 shipped would be awesome!
>
> This one: https://www.crustbikes.com/products/nitto-31-8-30-60mm-stem/
> Dull Chrome, 15 deg, 60mm length
>
> Photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/w7CUyL2s1WZGP7AM7
>
> Cheers,
> Collin, near the Sacramento capitol with the "stop the steal" Protest, 
> christ...
>

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[RBW] Re: How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[Nathan F]

To repeat what others have said, 48-50 really is the comfortable limit on 
my 18'. I'm running 43mm and the SKS fenders are TIGHT, especially on the 
rear. I know normally bike brands normally pad the max clearance to prevent 
warranty claims, but Riv hasn't on this model. It really can't go much 
bigger. 

- Nathan

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[RBW] Re: How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[Mark Allen]

For anyone interested in the max size with fenders, the 44mm Rene 
Herse Snoqualmie Pass under Velo Orange 52mm Zeppelin fenders fit my 2018 
Hillborne perfectly, but I don't think I could go any larger for either 
component.

Mark

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:03:19 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:

> To repeat what others have said, 48-50 really is the comfortable limit on 
> my 18'. I'm running 43mm and the SKS fenders are TIGHT, especially on the 
> rear. I know normally bike brands normally pad the max clearance to prevent 
> warranty claims, but Riv hasn't on this model. It really can't go much 
> bigger. 
>
> - Nathan
>

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Re: [RBW] How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[James Warren]

Do you have the canti version? I have side pull, and I don’t think I could do 
fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires. Fenders and Barlow Pass 38 is excellent 
though.

> On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Mark Allen  wrote:
> 
> For anyone interested in the max size with fenders, the 44mm Rene Herse 
> Snoqualmie Pass under Velo Orange 52mm Zeppelin fenders fit my 2018 Hillborne 
> perfectly, but I don't think I could go any larger for either component.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:03:19 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
> To repeat what others have said, 48-50 really is the comfortable limit on my 
> 18'. I'm running 43mm and the SKS fenders are TIGHT, especially on the rear. 
> I know normally bike brands normally pad the max clearance to prevent 
> warranty claims, but Riv hasn't on this model. It really can't go much 
> bigger. 
> 
> - Nathan
> 
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[RBW] Anyone looking to buy anything from Blue Lug?

[Joel S]

Maybe we can save on shipping if we put an order in together.  Will post on 
iBob also.  

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[RBW] 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[John in PDX]

The All Rounder came to me from the original owner who had lots of 
documentation, ordered in 1995, delivered in January 1996.  Will continue 
to evolve components, working towards Shimano 8-speed index, enjoying the 
Gevenalle shifter pods.

Hope this link works.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/v9nhn5sdHzvmHPM58

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[RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Coco Menk]

Hi there!

On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my 
boyfriend. 

We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking for 
our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this past 
winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so many 
options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own, 
significantly inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny 
seascape Riv-less, but hooked.

The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some miracles 
in this absurd bike boom.

More bikes for the people!!
Coco


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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Blue Riv Banana Sax or similar

[Paul Budnitz]

Hey Ben

I have an X-small saddle sack in Royal if you're interested in it. Happy to 
sell it at 50% retail, it is pretty much unused. My wife got a new funky 
saddle and it doesn't fit the saddle sack!

Paul

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 9:36:05 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Gotcha. I have the x-small saddle sack in Royal and kind of want the 
> banana sack for a handlebar bag and want them to match. My guess is the 
> TrunkSack is photographed under artificial light and the banana sack looks 
> to be shot out in the alley where they shoot all their bikes. I'd be 
> surprised if Sackville used different materials for these two bags. 
>
> The best idea I can give anyone of color is this...oddly, the Newbaum's 
> navy tape is VERY close to the royal color Sackville used on the x-small 
> saddlebag. 
>
> Unrelated...I noticed you're in Raleigh? My sister-in-law lives there and 
> my wife and I LOVE visiting...in fact, we were the week before Covid shut 
> down the country. Huge fan of Trophy Brewing, Players Retreat, Rise 
> biscuits...I could go on, but I'll leave it at this - I can't wait to visit 
> Raleigh again! 
>
> Ben
>
> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 11:29:31 AM UTC-6 esoter...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ben,
>>
>> Thanks for the help. I was aware that Riv does have the Banana Sax in 
>> royal in stock right now, I was just hoping to find one used and save some 
>> cash. 
>>
>> However, when you look at pictures of the royal blue Banana Sax on Riv's 
>> website, and then compare them with the pictures of the royal blue small 
>> TrunkSack, the TrunkSack looks to be a noticeably lighter shade of blue (at 
>> least to my eyes anyways). Maybe it's just a trick of the camera/screen. 
>> Anyone else notice this? 
>>
>>
>> ~Mark 
>> Raleigh , NC
>>
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 12:19, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but has Rivendell sold blue bags 
>> that are different color that the ones they call "Royal"? 
>>
>>
>> The only reason I ask is because the Royal banana sacks are available on 
>> Riv's website still. If you already knew that, wanted used, it's not the 
>> right blue, etc..., I apologize! 
>>
>> -Ben
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 11:00:06 AM UTC-6 esoter...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Just a bump to see if anyone's got a suitable bag for sale.
>>>
>>> ~Mark
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2020 at 10:07:04 AM UTC-4 esoterica etc wrote:
>>>

 Howdy all,

 I'm in the market for a blue Sackville Banana Sax. I'm also open to 
 other brands with a similar "banana"-type bag, but my preference is for 
 the 
 Sackville. Gotta be blue. PM me to let me know whatcha got! Thanks,

 ~Mark
 Raleigh, NC

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Joseph Willms]

Just ordered my Sam earlier today the minute they went live! 57 cm in Dark 
Gold here I come! Can't wait!

Joe

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 9:31:00 PM UTC-6 velomann wrote:

>  "Did Riv send yours to Golden Pliers before the open sale or is yours 
> being
> shipped out with everyone else's? I hope it's the former and you get it by
> this weekend!"
>
> Golden Pliers doesn't have it yet but last weekend said "very soon" so I'm 
> assuming it's being prepped/shipped with the rest at HQ, though I'm hoping 
> I'm near the front of the queue ;-)
> Mike M
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:57:11 PM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Tracy and Mike,
>>
>> It is so exciting to see new Riv owners.  I'm new-ish (3 years) and I 
>> couldn't believe how great the ride was when I first hopped on.  I expect 
>> you'll have the same great experience.  I'm looking forward to your ride 
>> reports.
>>
>> Mike, 
>>
>> Did Riv send yours to Golden Pliers before the open sale or is yours 
>> being shipped out with everyone else's?  I hope it's the former and you get 
>> it by this weekend!
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 8:50:55 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, Mike, you really planned for this one! It felt like these Sams 
>>> snuck up on the rest of us, but not YOU. You saw them coming on the horizon 
>>> months ago!  I’m so happy you got the size and color you wanted and that 
>>> you are getting your very first Rivendell. Just you wait, what a snob it 
>>> will make of you. Nothing else will be as good or as worth riding...that’s 
>>> what happened to me, anyway.
>>>
>>> And Tracy! Good for you; you will notice there’s a difference between 
>>> old and new Riv geo. My Betty Foy was a way different ride than my long 
>>> chainstay Clementine. You’ll have two really great bikes so you can ride 
>>> whatever flavor you crave. I hope Rivendell knows Path Less Pedaled 
>>> influenced your purchase - this could be a great tool for them to grow.
>>>
>>> Sounds like the dark gold was a hit! Can’t believe how fast these sold - 
>>> faster than the Clems, I think, and the Clems were pretty popular. 
>>> Leah
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 4:36 PM, velomann  wrote:
>>>
>>> I will be taking delivery of a new "Dark Gold" 51cm Sam as soon as 
>>> Golden Pliers receives it and I'm stoked!
>>>
>>> I've been corresponding with Will and Kevin at Golden Pliers since 
>>> details first started coming out, and put half down with Kevin so he could 
>>> get his shop order in as soon as possible - GP took over the Portland 
>>> Rivendell dealership after Rivelo closed. 
>>> The Gold 51's apparently sold out first, and I'd been told that Riv 
>>> expected that since Blue Lug had already spoken for most of them - they 
>>> were on BL's website several days ago.
>>> I've been a Riv fan for years, and owned several Bridgestone road and 
>>> mountain bikes, and applied various Riv-inspired treatment to other bikes 
>>> as well. But this Sam is my first actual Rivendell.
>>> I've been accumulating parts for the build for months and have 
>>> everything ready to go. I'll post pictures when it's done, but you can 
>>> expect that it's going to be singular and color-coordinated ;-)
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:34:23 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I think I recently read in some form of Rivendell communication or 
 another, that Riv will be getting new shipments of bicycles monthly for 
 the 
 next several months - starting now. I love this for several reasons. 

 1. Rivendell is making money. 
 2. People are having New Bike Day. 
 3. New Rivendells are arguably the best topic we have on this List. 

 I think it would be fun to start a thread specific to these new bikes 
 and see who is getting what. Maybe it’s for you. Maybe it’s a Christmas 
 gift for your spouse or your kiddo. Today, the dark gold and Rivendell 
 blue 
 Sams were up for grabs. I would love to celebrate with you if you ordered 
 one and care to mention it here. 

 I don’t know what number of frames Rivendell started with, but there 
 were only a handful left on the site a couple of hours ago. 
 Congratulations 
 if you are a proud new owner! 
 Leah
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[RBW] Re: How to alter a shimano bar pod to fit a microshift 11 speed shifter

[Matthew Mosen]

I'm running a slightly different setup but I figured this might be useful 
info. I have a silver2 shifter in a riv thumb shifter mount on my 1x11 
Susie. Shifts through the range easily. I would switch that 9 speed shimano 
shifter in your photo into friction mode and test if it'll shift through 
that 11 speed cassette. My guess is that it will. If you want 11 speed 
indexing, that's a different story. 

Specifically regarding microshift shifters, some (maybe all?) of there 
shifters are physically bigger than the 9 speed shimano shifter in your 
photo. So some material would need to be removed from the bar end pod to 
simply fit the shifter in there. But this has to do with the physical 
dimensions of the shifter, not the shift range.

I guess I need some clarification with one thing related to this topic. Is 
there a difference in overall cassette width when comparing, say, a 9 speed 
cassette and an 11 speed cassette? Seems to me that any cassette designed 
for an HG freehub body would be constrained to the same outer width 
(distance from smallest cog to biggest). As my understanding goes, the jump 
from 9 speed to 10 or 11 is achieved with a narrower chain and reduced 
spacing between adjacent cogs.

Hope this was helpful in some way.

Matt

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 9:38:03 AM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I've heard of people altering their bar end pods for wider range and I was 
> curious how one goes about doing that. I've got some microshift 11 speed 
> bar ends but I want to lose the black pods in exchange for shimano's silver 
> ones. 
>
> Looks like Roman accomplished it on his Hillborne: "Mark scalloped out a 
> Shimano barpod to fit a 10-speed MTN Microshift thumbie and it all works 
> perfectly." 
>
> My gut tells me I need to take a file to the top portion of the pod so the 
> lever can get a further rotation...something like this:?
> [image: Screenshot 2020-11-07 at 11.30.29 AM.png]
>
> Or maybe I'm lost. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd 
> appreciate it! I'd also be curious to know if anyone has done this with 
> their silver2 bar ends and if they'd pull an 11 speed cassette with this 
> modification. 
>
> Thanks, 
> Andrew
>

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[RBW] Re: Wolbis Slugstone Build

[Paul Budnitz]

Hello Mark.

What an awesome build.

Forgive me if you posted this and I missed it — what stem and handlebars 
are those?  I'm looking for a bar just like that one!

Paul
On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 8:49:38 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

>
> Before all the lovely new Sams get built up and steal the show, a few 
> photos of my new Wolbis, finished up a couple weeks ago. I was waiting on 
> the forks for the size larges. And of course took that opportunity to NOT 
> build up the wheels. Anyway, done!
>
> [image: IMG_20201023_080117425.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20201023_080153725.jpg]
> Photo album HERE. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: New Sams are open for order

[i]

Glad I jumped on the 54 when I did!

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:42:21 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:

> It looks like the gold frames are only available in 48 now, and the blue 
> only in 57 or 60.
> That's how I read it anyway. 
> Day 1, 7:40 PM PST.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:50:04 PM UTC-8 jonathan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> 54cm are sold out too! Yikes that was fast...
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 3:24:32 PM UTC-5 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-sam-hillborne-2020
>>>
>>> 51cm are already sold out.  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar bags

[S. Greco]

Howdy Patrick & Leah
1. The current weight spec is 4kg or ~8.8lbs. It's pretty hard to get 
beyond this weight unless you are carrying something very heavy. For 
instance, a 32oz water bottle will fill most (not all but most) of this 
bag's internal volume, but that bottle + water still only weighs about 
~2lbs. 
2. There's a bunch of plans for new colors. We're also hoping to do some 
formed leather and carbon lids as options in the future. There will likely 
be a mini wald-style basket that utilizes the same mount in the near future.
3. I believe the price will remain at $179 -  though we are hoping to move 
production to the USA and offer the bags in Xpac versus the woven nylon 
post-kickstarter.

I don't want to hijack this thread so if you have any questions feel free 
to email me.
I will have production samples in the coming weeks and would love to share 
some of them with RBWOBers.

I will say that handlebar bags in general have become my favorite way of 
carrying things. It wasn't until recently that I became somewhat dependent 
on them. I used to always be more of a pannier rider. A few of my rivs do 
not have braze-ons on the fork, and this bag has become a really nice way 
to add that experience without p-clamps - though nothing against p-clamps :)
On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 5:34:40 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I hadn't been following this thread, and I'm glad I clicked on this 
> message.
>
> I don't usually pay much attention to bar bags (I've tried a fair number, 
> but my preferred frames don't encourage heavy front loads), but this bag 
> and mounting system is one I'd seriously consider. From what I think I've 
> seen, the permanent-mount clip is small and unobtrusive, and the 
> decently-sized bag just clips on and off. Now that I am waiting for a 
> builder to build and send me a new rear rack (for panniers) for my new 
> fixed/3 speed road bike, and I've just installed Alex's Sackville Medium I 
> could certainly use a bar bag like this one. I'll keep my eye on it.
>
> I'm sorry your posts about counterfeits were taken down; I'm curious what 
> went on ...?
>
> 1. As Roberta asked, how much weight can this system comfortably carry?
>
> 2. And, what colors will it come it?
>
> 3. And lastly, how much for the system once on the market? (I won't 
> pre-order, all bagged out for the year, so I'm curious about the forecast 
> retail price.)
>
> Nice work, to judge by the information and photos on the linked site!
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 3:47 PM S. Greco  wrote:
>
>> I designed the Route Werks bags. There were an astounding number of scam 
>> sites that popped up once the Kickstarter was funded. I tried posting about 
>> it here but the post was taken down. Our test team is packed with 
>> riv-riders. I even put my Rivendell in the video! Anyway, I can attest that 
>> they bag is in fact real and meets Leah's requirements. We just started 
>> production and will be shipping in January. They will be available for 
>> pre-sale on our webstore  this week.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 2:33:31 PM UTC-5 Steve Cole wrote:
>>
>>> I thought everyone should know that I received the following private 
>>> email from another lister.  Caveat Emptor:
>>>
>>> I am new on the list, so we haven’t corresponded before, but I just saw 
>>> your post, below, and thought you should know that is a bag that was sold 
>>> as a Kickstarter item and was pretty expensive.  Right after the 
>>> Kickstarter ended, they started seeing a lot of fake ads selling the bag 
>>> very inexpensively, like the one you posted.  But the thing is, that bag 
>>> doesn’t even exist yet.  And the company that is making the bag, called 
>>> Route Werks, sent out an email warning about the fake ads.  I thought you 
>>> should know.  I hope it all works out for you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry if I have caused anyone any problems.
>>>
>>> Steve Cole
>>> Arlington, VA 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:26:37 AM UTC-5, Steve Cole wrote:

 Leah,

 I'm a bit embarrassed to send this reply.  My embarrassment derives 
 from the fact that the bag I'm going to tell you about I first saw in a 
 Facebook ad.  I can't even recommend it as I have not tried it . . . yet.  
 I did bite and one is on the way to me from, I would guess, China, but who 
 knows.  I jumped on this bag for a few reasons.  Mostly, they have to do 
 with what it can do.  It's easy to open while cycling as the opening faces 
 the rider. Second, it has loads of attachment points for phones, Go Pros, 
  bells, lights, etc.  Third, it seems to fit very comfortably between drop 
 handlebars and shouldn't be an issue for upright bars like I use.  
 Finally, 
 the price is very right -- $40.  Here's the link:


 https://budsweet.net/collections/BICYCLE-ACCESSORIES/products/smart-multifunctional-handlebar
 .

 And here's a photo:



 I don't think it comes

[RBW] WTB: albatross bar or similar for upright setup

[Adam Ratcliffe]

I'm looking to convert my Surly Midnight Special to a more Rivendell like 
upright setup and am interested in Albatross, Billie, or Choco bars. Would 
also be interested in suitable brake levers and friction shifters (11spd 
compatible).

Cheers
Adam

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[RBW] Re: Wolbis Slugstone Build

[Andrew Stevens]

Nice! I'm waiting on mine, and have been stumped looking for rims. How do 
you feel about the Rhyno XLs? Those are the 36 hole right? I don't believe 
they came in a 32. Would you recommend them over waiting for Velocity 
Cliffhangers to come back in stock?

Thanks
Andrew in Austin

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 12:28:05 PM UTC-6 Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:

> It's a lovely build Mark.  Looks enviably comfortable!
>
> I'm a Wolbis owner too.  The bike is great for the places like I see in 
> your pictures.  One thing I have started to notice is these hillie bikes 
> are super stable.  Even with a little distracted riding, the chances of a 
> crash is much less.  It is quite forgiving!
>
> Have fun,
> Ash
>
> On Friday, 6 November 2020 at 08:49:38 UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>>
>> Before all the lovely new Sams get built up and steal the show, a few 
>> photos of my new Wolbis, finished up a couple weeks ago. I was waiting on 
>> the forks for the size larges. And of course took that opportunity to NOT 
>> build up the wheels. Anyway, done!
>>
>> [image: IMG_20201023_080117425.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_20201023_080153725.jpg]
>> Photo album HERE. 
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Olive Green SackvilleHappisack

[Alex K]

Happy it found a good home!
On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 2:23:10 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Received; many thanks.
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 3:49 PM Alex K  wrote:
>
>> acksf78 at gmail
>> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:11:16 PM UTC-8 Alex K wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 00CB1CB8-A5C0-4891-BB56-AAE2ED12ECD8.jpeg][image: 
>>> 4AB7D9DA-CFF8-4129-8D5C-83A864C8AD85.jpeg]Unused.  Bought at Silva 
>>> Cycles in San Jose two months ago.  Just didn’t work out.  Trying to recoup 
>>> some of the $225 I paid for it
>>> $175 shipped CONUS or $160 Bay Area delivered
>>> Thanks!
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[RBW] Re: Handlebar bags

[S. Greco]

The spec is 4kg (8.8ish lbs). I ride mine filled with heavy camera gear and 
haven't noticed any steering issues. I'll have production samples in a few 
weeks, perhaps you'd like to test one?

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 9:59:33 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> About how much weight can you put on the handlebars (no rack)  before 
> steering becomes an issue? 
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:47:34 PM UTC-5, S. Greco wrote:
>>
>> I designed the Route Werks bags. There were an astounding number of scam 
>> sites that popped up once the Kickstarter was funded. I tried posting about 
>> it here but the post was taken down. Our test team is packed with 
>> riv-riders. I even put my Rivendell in the video! Anyway, I can attest that 
>> they bag is in fact real and meets Leah's requirements. We just started 
>> production and will be shipping in January. They will be available for 
>> pre-sale on our webstore  this week.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 2:33:31 PM UTC-5 Steve Cole wrote:
>>
>>> I thought everyone should know that I received the following private 
>>> email from another lister.  Caveat Emptor:
>>>
>>> I am new on the list, so we haven’t corresponded before, but I just saw 
>>> your post, below, and thought you should know that is a bag that was sold 
>>> as a Kickstarter item and was pretty expensive.  Right after the 
>>> Kickstarter ended, they started seeing a lot of fake ads selling the bag 
>>> very inexpensively, like the one you posted.  But the thing is, that bag 
>>> doesn’t even exist yet.  And the company that is making the bag, called 
>>> Route Werks, sent out an email warning about the fake ads.  I thought you 
>>> should know.  I hope it all works out for you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry if I have caused anyone any problems.
>>>
>>> Steve Cole
>>> Arlington, VA 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:26:37 AM UTC-5, Steve Cole wrote:

 Leah,

 I'm a bit embarrassed to send this reply.  My embarrassment derives 
 from the fact that the bag I'm going to tell you about I first saw in a 
 Facebook ad.  I can't even recommend it as I have not tried it . . . yet. 
  I did bite and one is on the way to me from, I would guess, China, but 
 who 
 knows.  I jumped on this bag for a few reasons.  Mostly, they have to do 
 with what it can do.  It's easy to open while cycling as the opening faces 
 the rider. Second, it has loads of attachment points for phones, Go Pros, 
  bells, lights, etc.  Third, it seems to fit very comfortably between drop 
 handlebars and shouldn't be an issue for upright bars like I use.  
 Finally, 
 the price is very right -- $40.  Here's the link:


 https://budsweet.net/collections/BICYCLE-ACCESSORIES/products/smart-multifunctional-handlebar
 .

 And here's a photo:



 I don't think it comes in other colors so it may not work with your 
 raspberry sparkler.  Still, I think it's work looking at the website at 
 least to see how clever the designers were in developing this bag.  For 
 me, 
 this just looked too good to pass up and pass along.  

 Cheers,
 Steve Cole
 Arlington, VA

 On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 12:58:11 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:
>
> While I wait for the wheelset of my Platypus, I’ve been thinking about 
> how I want to set up my bars (sorry, I just cannot call it a ‘cockpit’). 
> I’ve got 52 Boscos in aluminum to look forward to, and I want to keep my 
> bike as svelte and light as I can. I did the unthinkable and paid for a 
> Spurcycle bell just now ($49 for a bell?!) and now I need bags in keeping 
> with the look. I’ve never ventured past Rivendell and Randi Jo for bags, 
> so 
> I’m unaware of what great offerings the market offers.
>
> As far as function goes, I’ve got that figured out. Attached are our 
> pair of mom and kid Clems, which we have set up similarly with a Randi Jo 
> bag for our Hydroflasks and a XS Saddlesack facing the rider for 
> iPhones/keys/essentials. I like both of these bags, but neither holds all 
> my items. I’d like to have only one bag so my bars aren’t so cluttered. I 
> do know that Riv is re-doing some of their Sackville line, so I’ve 
> emailed 
> to ask about those details. I’d prefer to give Rivendell my money, but 
> we’ll see what those new bags are like.
>
> Do you have any recommendations?
> -light
> -streamlined, unobtrusive
> -zippers preferred
> -no garish colors (frame is already a saturated color - raspberry 
> metallic)
> -hold a 32 oz flask AND an phone/keys/granola bar
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Post Ur Riv

[Ryan Nute]

I think Ted said it was Waterford.  I'm partial to the blue as well but 
this is the nicest brown I've seen!

Ryan

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:51:56 PM UTC-8 Joel S wrote:

> Very nice.  Who did the repaint? I am near Springfield but I’ll keep mine 
> blue. 
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:49 PM Ryan Nute  wrote:
>
>> Here's my Bleriot/Protovelo/Travelo (thanks Ted!)
>>
>> [image: 50303422281_29aeadc806_k.jpg]
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 5:04:57 PM UTC-8 LF wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Larry "old school" Fieman
>>> Marblehead, MA 
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[RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Will Rose]

This is my first post here because I just picked up my new Sam from Riv 
yesterday. Just the Frame/Fork, etc., because, unlike some others, I did 
not do a good job of scheming and saving, etc. I've been wanting my first 
Rivendell for quite some time, admiring them from afar (and close up up 
they'd let me), lurking around here. I'm very excited to piece this bike 
together from whatever nice parts I have on hand, but I might have to 
exercise my patience and planning faculties on the post-purchase end of 
things. I'm glad I jumped on it, though, because I'd hate to miss out on 
these frames for a while and continue the wanting. 

Oh, and mine's blue and a 57.


Will

On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 4:27:11 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> True, the last couple batches o' bikes were from the Hillibike line, which 
> does have the longest wheelbases of all the Rivs, and one variation is a 
> step through. But i'm not convinced about the "more mainstream" and some 
> kind of relief from "insanely long chain stays."
>
> Right now you can't really buy ANY bicycles from Rivendell other than a 
> couple of models, and *only* in the smallest size. I think part of the 
> reason for this is that the company has built up its dealer network, 
> including and particularly Blue Lug.
>
> Also the latest batch of Sams is back to canti/v-brakes, which many people 
> seem to prefer. And of course that golden orange color and the classic mink 
> blue! In terms of the chain stays, I presume those are where they are due 
> to the bike's position in the line-up. But I would not be surprised if, 
> like the Platypus (also now canti), got a touch of elongation in that zone 
> this go round, since they are siblings. I suspect most people want the 
> company's most popular model, and trust them to equip it with a suitable 
> chain stay length. 
>
> Not that this particularly matters--they seem to sell out of just about 
> every model rather quickly these days, which is a good thing, and is their 
> business model--similar to Acorn bags, where customers eagerly anticipate 
> the next batch release, and line up virtually around the block. Come to 
> think of it, that is how the brewery across the street from me operates, 
> too (except non-virtually).
>
> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> I think the reason people are so excited about the Hillborne’s is that 
>> they resemble something of a more mainstream bike.  I realize it’s not 
>> entirely true, but it seems like for several months, the only bikes you 
>> could buy from Riv had insanely long chain stays or were all step-thru 
>> mixtes.  
>> I know that a Gallop or a Platypus may inevitably be in my future, but 
>> people dig more traditional bikes as well.  
>> I’m a bit surprised the middle sizes are sold out so quickly.  
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 4:34:23 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I recently read in some form of Rivendell communication or 
>>> another, that Riv will be getting new shipments of bicycles monthly for the 
>>> next several months - starting now. I love this for several reasons. 
>>>
>>> 1. Rivendell is making money. 
>>> 2. People are having New Bike Day. 
>>> 3. New Rivendells are arguably the best topic we have on this List. 
>>>
>>> I think it would be fun to start a thread specific to these new bikes 
>>> and see who is getting what. Maybe it’s for you. Maybe it’s a Christmas 
>>> gift for your spouse or your kiddo. Today, the dark gold and Rivendell blue 
>>> Sams were up for grabs. I would love to celebrate with you if you ordered 
>>> one and care to mention it here. 
>>>
>>> I don’t know what number of frames Rivendell started with, but there 
>>> were only a handful left on the site a couple of hours ago. Congratulations 
>>> if you are a proud new owner! 
>>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: Running a Mark's rack/basket....AND a handlebar bag?!?!?!

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

No, not ok. that's going to have ill, very ill, or maybe very very very ill 
affects on your steering when it's even remotely snug (it could tighten up 
at will). You're looking for a failsafe, not something to actually do 
anything until it's needed. You might try a fairly loose loop of paracord 
or heavy shoelace, just long enough to not catch or bind, but not too long 
or it'll get into your brakes and wheel. Tying off to the handlebar is 
straightforward because it moves with the rack, headtubes don't so keep it 
loose[ish]. And to keep it up and out of the moving bits, consider tying 
off to the horizontal top bar of your basket directly in front of the 
tombstone, that way it won't want to get fussy with your headset.
Have fun!
-Kai

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 11:54:22 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here's a photo of what I'm thinking about doing with the strap and head 
> tube...
> [image: irish.jpg]
> The strap is looped through each side of the tombstone twice...once 
> through and around the head tube on the opposite side, and then once though 
> the inside of the tombstone and back on the same side of the head tube (if 
> that makes sense).
>
> It's snug...but my two concerns are...
> 1. it won't stop the rack/basket from crashing into the front wheel if the 
> rack fails (I'm not a physics person...but I'm guessing there's more 
> holding power vertically than horizontally)
> 2. The strap is going to dull up or rub off the paint on the head tube.
>
> HOWEVER...as I was typing this, I found this...
>
> https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/26c66c05ba4e4/IMG_1683.JPG?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrEq-9QnruTkMcmxuNN9WRRDupm4Sh5lxv-I6NA_WVq9zMoW7YG8PJm6dkg0zmWGvc0jPMXrF4yVRs-NP2B3aA4xDxxQ3P78klLrAgHSI79Llf-AOr8
>
> It looks like lashing the tombstone to the head tube has been an option 
> for at least Soma and their "Manny Strap". I'm guessing I'm okay with it 
> the way I have it.
>
> Right? 
> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 10:19:16 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>> I recently set up my Atlantis with a Mark's rack and medium Walk zip-tied 
>> to it. I double strutted the rack and have the Irish strap connecting the 
>> tombstone to the bars (Chocos). 
>>
>> I have an x-small saddle sack that I love and was offered a matching one 
>> at a great price. I love the way the x-small sack looks/fits on my 
>> handlebars, but I'm having some serious issues figuring out how to strap 
>> the tombstone for support while having a handlebar bag.
>>
>> One solution I might have is to strap the tombstone to the headtube 
>> horizontally. I did it a minute ago and looped the Irish strap a bunch of 
>> times and tightened it up. Is this good enough for supporting the rack if 
>> the tange fails? Will the strap on the frame rub off the paint or top/clear 
>> coat? 
>>
>> Any ideas on how to have both a Mark's rack and x-small handlebar bag are 
>> welcome. 
>>
>> For what it's worth...I don't plan on ever exceeding the 4 pound 
>> recommendation on the rack. I've used it to carry my 3 pound laptop and 
>> charger (with a Captain Hook), to grab a 3 pound bag of groceries, etc...I 
>> may push it to a six pack of beer, but I have a rear rack and panniers if I 
>> need to carry anything heavy. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ben
>>
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Re: [RBW] 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[Steven Sweedler]

John, wonderful bike, and color. What is the saddle height in the picture.
Thanks, Steve

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 1:42 PM John in PDX  wrote:

> The All Rounder came to me from the original owner who had lots of
> documentation, ordered in 1995, delivered in January 1996.  Will continue
> to evolve components, working towards Shimano 8-speed index, enjoying the
> Gevenalle shifter pods.
>
> Hope this link works.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/v9nhn5sdHzvmHPM58
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[RBW] Re: Running a Mark's rack/basket....AND a handlebar bag?!?!?!

[Ben Mihovk]

Holy smokes I didn't even think about steering! I've just been tinkering in 
the basement and haven't hopped on the bike to try any of these 
configurations.

So just to be clear, you think if I do something loosely connecting head 
tube to tombstone, it'd work okay as a failsafe? 

I appreciate it!
Ben

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 1:59:08 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> No, not ok. that's going to have ill, very ill, or maybe very very very 
> ill affects on your steering when it's even remotely snug (it could tighten 
> up at will). You're looking for a failsafe, not something to actually do 
> anything until it's needed. You might try a fairly loose loop of paracord 
> or heavy shoelace, just long enough to not catch or bind, but not too long 
> or it'll get into your brakes and wheel. Tying off to the handlebar is 
> straightforward because it moves with the rack, headtubes don't so keep it 
> loose[ish]. And to keep it up and out of the moving bits, consider tying 
> off to the horizontal top bar of your basket directly in front of the 
> tombstone, that way it won't want to get fussy with your headset.
> Have fun!
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 11:54:22 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Here's a photo of what I'm thinking about doing with the strap and head 
>> tube...
>> [image: irish.jpg]
>> The strap is looped through each side of the tombstone twice...once 
>> through and around the head tube on the opposite side, and then once though 
>> the inside of the tombstone and back on the same side of the head tube (if 
>> that makes sense).
>>
>> It's snug...but my two concerns are...
>> 1. it won't stop the rack/basket from crashing into the front wheel if 
>> the rack fails (I'm not a physics person...but I'm guessing there's more 
>> holding power vertically than horizontally)
>> 2. The strap is going to dull up or rub off the paint on the head tube.
>>
>> HOWEVER...as I was typing this, I found this...
>>
>> https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/26c66c05ba4e4/IMG_1683.JPG?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrEq-9QnruTkMcmxuNN9WRRDupm4Sh5lxv-I6NA_WVq9zMoW7YG8PJm6dkg0zmWGvc0jPMXrF4yVRs-NP2B3aA4xDxxQ3P78klLrAgHSI79Llf-AOr8
>>
>> It looks like lashing the tombstone to the head tube has been an option 
>> for at least Soma and their "Manny Strap". I'm guessing I'm okay with it 
>> the way I have it.
>>
>> Right? 
>> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 10:19:16 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all!
>>> I recently set up my Atlantis with a Mark's rack and medium Walk 
>>> zip-tied to it. I double strutted the rack and have the Irish strap 
>>> connecting the tombstone to the bars (Chocos). 
>>>
>>> I have an x-small saddle sack that I love and was offered a matching one 
>>> at a great price. I love the way the x-small sack looks/fits on my 
>>> handlebars, but I'm having some serious issues figuring out how to strap 
>>> the tombstone for support while having a handlebar bag.
>>>
>>> One solution I might have is to strap the tombstone to the headtube 
>>> horizontally. I did it a minute ago and looped the Irish strap a bunch of 
>>> times and tightened it up. Is this good enough for supporting the rack if 
>>> the tange fails? Will the strap on the frame rub off the paint or top/clear 
>>> coat? 
>>>
>>> Any ideas on how to have both a Mark's rack and x-small handlebar bag 
>>> are welcome. 
>>>
>>> For what it's worth...I don't plan on ever exceeding the 4 pound 
>>> recommendation on the rack. I've used it to carry my 3 pound laptop and 
>>> charger (with a Captain Hook), to grab a 3 pound bag of groceries, etc...I 
>>> may push it to a six pack of beer, but I have a rear rack and panniers if I 
>>> need to carry anything heavy. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Running a Mark's rack/basket....AND a handlebar bag?!?!?!

[Ben Mihovk]

Actually...even better, you mentioned the attachment doesn't need to do 
anything until it's needed...would there be any issue using the irish strap 
to handlebars connection but keeping it loose enough that it just goes 
behind the bag? That might be my best move. 

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:20:33 PM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:

> Holy smokes I didn't even think about steering! I've just been tinkering 
> in the basement and haven't hopped on the bike to try any of these 
> configurations.
>
> So just to be clear, you think if I do something loosely connecting head 
> tube to tombstone, it'd work okay as a failsafe? 
>
> I appreciate it!
> Ben
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 1:59:08 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> No, not ok. that's going to have ill, very ill, or maybe very very very 
>> ill affects on your steering when it's even remotely snug (it could tighten 
>> up at will). You're looking for a failsafe, not something to actually do 
>> anything until it's needed. You might try a fairly loose loop of paracord 
>> or heavy shoelace, just long enough to not catch or bind, but not too long 
>> or it'll get into your brakes and wheel. Tying off to the handlebar is 
>> straightforward because it moves with the rack, headtubes don't so keep it 
>> loose[ish]. And to keep it up and out of the moving bits, consider tying 
>> off to the horizontal top bar of your basket directly in front of the 
>> tombstone, that way it won't want to get fussy with your headset.
>> Have fun!
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 11:54:22 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a photo of what I'm thinking about doing with the strap and head 
>>> tube...
>>> [image: irish.jpg]
>>> The strap is looped through each side of the tombstone twice...once 
>>> through and around the head tube on the opposite side, and then once though 
>>> the inside of the tombstone and back on the same side of the head tube (if 
>>> that makes sense).
>>>
>>> It's snug...but my two concerns are...
>>> 1. it won't stop the rack/basket from crashing into the front wheel if 
>>> the rack fails (I'm not a physics person...but I'm guessing there's more 
>>> holding power vertically than horizontally)
>>> 2. The strap is going to dull up or rub off the paint on the head tube.
>>>
>>> HOWEVER...as I was typing this, I found this...
>>>
>>> https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/26c66c05ba4e4/IMG_1683.JPG?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrEq-9QnruTkMcmxuNN9WRRDupm4Sh5lxv-I6NA_WVq9zMoW7YG8PJm6dkg0zmWGvc0jPMXrF4yVRs-NP2B3aA4xDxxQ3P78klLrAgHSI79Llf-AOr8
>>>
>>> It looks like lashing the tombstone to the head tube has been an option 
>>> for at least Soma and their "Manny Strap". I'm guessing I'm okay with it 
>>> the way I have it.
>>>
>>> Right? 
>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 10:19:16 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>>
 Hey all!
 I recently set up my Atlantis with a Mark's rack and medium Walk 
 zip-tied to it. I double strutted the rack and have the Irish strap 
 connecting the tombstone to the bars (Chocos). 

 I have an x-small saddle sack that I love and was offered a matching 
 one at a great price. I love the way the x-small sack looks/fits on my 
 handlebars, but I'm having some serious issues figuring out how to strap 
 the tombstone for support while having a handlebar bag.

 One solution I might have is to strap the tombstone to the headtube 
 horizontally. I did it a minute ago and looped the Irish strap a bunch of 
 times and tightened it up. Is this good enough for supporting the rack if 
 the tange fails? Will the strap on the frame rub off the paint or 
 top/clear 
 coat? 

 Any ideas on how to have both a Mark's rack and x-small handlebar bag 
 are welcome. 

 For what it's worth...I don't plan on ever exceeding the 4 pound 
 recommendation on the rack. I've used it to carry my 3 pound laptop and 
 charger (with a Captain Hook), to grab a 3 pound bag of groceries, etc...I 
 may push it to a six pack of beer, but I have a rear rack and panniers if 
 I 
 need to carry anything heavy. 

 Thanks!
 Ben

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Anyone looking to buy anything from Blue Lug?

[Sam Perez]

I am !  And great idea !

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> Maybe we can save on shipping if we put an order in together.  Will post
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Re: [RBW] 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[S. Greco]

such a classic! i really get nostalgic about this era of Rivendell. any 
idea what this color is? it seems like it was somewhat common on rivs from 
this time.

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:14:47 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> John, wonderful bike, and color. What is the saddle height in the picture. 
> Thanks, Steve
>
> On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 1:42 PM John in PDX  wrote:
>
>> The All Rounder came to me from the original owner who had lots of 
>> documentation, ordered in 1995, delivered in January 1996.  Will continue 
>> to evolve components, working towards Shimano 8-speed index, enjoying the 
>> Gevenalle shifter pods.
>>
>> Hope this link works.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/v9nhn5sdHzvmHPM58
>>
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Re: [RBW] Anyone looking to buy anything from Blue Lug?

[Joel S]

Sam, I can order, you can but my stuff will be more expensive to ship I 
bet.  Will send PM. 

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> I am !  And great idea !
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto swept back bars

[diekaiser]

Thanks Sam! How did you like them? I’m wondering if they are a bit too 
narrow compared to other bars like the albatross or billies...
On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 11:46:16 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:

> I have both bars left bank has leather bar tape and an origin8 quill with 
> it. 
>
>
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/handlebars/products/vo-porteur-bar-config
>
>
>
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/handlebars/products/vo-left-bank-handlebar-config
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020, 2:56 PM diekaiser  wrote:
>
>> I've always ridden drop bars or mustache bars. I've dabbled a bit with 
>> some various flat bars similar to the wavie bars but I'm interested in 
>> trying out some thing with more sweep. Let me know if you have any lying 
>> around; I don't care about condition.
>>
>> Photos of my Sam for your viewing pleasure ;)
>> [image: IMG_3639.jpg]
>> [image: 62432898513__E37AF49E-1207-47CF-8B34-35CDBBD66C4A.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Matthew Williams]

Here's a 52cm Clem Jr. L frameset:

$1200
Ann Arbor, MI

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174500220729




On Nov 6, 2020, at 10:46 PM, Coco Menk  wrote:

> Hi there!
> 
> On the lookout for some Clem H completes (or frames) for me and my boyfriend. 
> 
> We're big Riv fans, and have been scouring the forums and sites looking for 
> our own ever since coming back from our wanderings in California this past 
> winter. We visited the shop and did some test rides, but there were so many 
> options! With no way to ship them back with us (we had our own, significantly 
> inferior bikes with us to tour on), we left the sunny seascape Riv-less, but 
> hooked.
> 
> The 52 is for me (PBH 84) and the 59 is for him. Hoping for some miracles in 
> this absurd bike boom.
> 
> More bikes for the people!!
> Coco
> 
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[RBW] Sackville Medium capacity

[Patrick Moore]

The usual poor photo, but not for lack of trying. Point is that I am once
again surprised and pleased at the Medium's capacity. I just carried home 3
bottles of a surprisingly good but cheap ($8 on sale) Aregentinian Malbec,
a half-gallon of milk, a quart of vegan mayo, toothpaste, and 2 pint
packages of ready-made salad. I could have easily fit, instead of the
half-gallon, a gallon of milk and a half-gallon of real mayo and had some
room in the main compartment to spare. The side pockets are 1/2 to 3/4
filled with bulky tube with sealant and generous ride kit. (Vegan mayo and
half-gal milk limit because Orthodox Christmas fast begins in a week.)

This easily expands to the full volume, 23 liter of the Camper Longflap,
and the expanded volume is usable, while the Camper Longflap's is far less
so, at least without slow and careful packing. The Camper LF might carry a
bulky jacket inside the expanded flap more easily than strapping it to the
Sackville's loops, but all-in-all, the Sackville is a better, that is more
useful for carrying. Of course, it's a higher-market product, too. Another
perspective: The Medium can carry as much as or even a bit more than a
single Ortlieb Rollerback pannier with neck extended.

And it leaves at least a generous inch of clearance over the 50 mm fenders,
which are themselves generously situated above the 40 mm tires.

The disadvantage of this , at least for my bike, is that they interfere
with and deflect the rear brake cable, so that the rear brake does not
perform as well (it works well enough nonetheless) and that the cable will
eventually wear the contact area (but I daresay only after a long while).

Still and all, once I get my rack, I will as always over 30 years, go back
to panniers.

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[RBW] Clem L 59 on a 1Up rack

[97r...@gmail.com]

Clem owners considering a 1Up rack will be happy to know that the rack 
accommodates our long wheelbase just fine. My Clem L 59 fits the rack’s 
tire rail with a tiny bit of length to spare.

The 1Up is a really interesting rack option, especially for heavy bikes. We 
just purchased an e-bike for my wife and it weighs 50 lbs. The 1Up is rated 
to handle 50 lbs per bike. Since both of our bikes are step-throughs, I was 
looking for a rack that didn’t need to make contact with the frame to 
secure the bike. 1Up’s folding retention arms are a great solution and make 
it very quick to load/unload the bikes. They also offer an optional fender 
cushion which works very well with her bike’s fendered rear wheel..

Be prepared for a wait if you want one. Like all things “bikey” these days, 
they are backordered.

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Re: [RBW] Looking for 52cm and 59cm Clem H 's

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi Coco, here is a 59 Clem H - not sure if it’s still available. Price was 
right and there was interest on the List, but the seller never marked it sold, 
so here ya go.
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[RBW] Re: Wolbis Slugstone Build

[Mark Roland]

Sorry, did not fully answer Andrew's  questions. I have Cliffhangers on my 
Hubbuhubbuh, which is also new to me, so could not give you a comprehensive 
comparison. They are fine, a rounded profile with a flat silver finish and 
no eyelets. The Rhynos have eyelets and a more traditional boxy profile, 
and are made by the company that puts out the venerable CR-18 rims, always 
a  solid choice. I imagine they are both good reliable rims. My aesthetics 
favor the Rhynos (yes, even in white) but if I had to wait on one and 
wanted the wheels I would probably get the other and not worry about it.

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Andrew Stevens wrote:
>
> Nice! I'm waiting on mine, and have been stumped looking for rims. How do 
> you feel about the Rhyno XLs? Those are the 36 hole right? I don't believe 
> they came in a 32. Would you recommend them over waiting for Velocity 
> Cliffhangers to come back in stock?
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Re: [RBW] How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[Mark Allen]

Yes, it's the canti version from the last run (2018/2019) before this 
month's release.

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:59:08 AM UTC-5 Jimmy Warren wrote:

> Do you have the canti version? I have side pull, and I don’t think I could 
> do fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires. Fenders and Barlow Pass 38 is 
> excellent though.
>
> On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Mark Allen  wrote:
>
> For anyone interested in the max size with fenders, the 44mm Rene 
> Herse Snoqualmie Pass under Velo Orange 52mm Zeppelin fenders fit my 2018 
> Hillborne perfectly, but I don't think I could go any larger for either 
> component.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:03:19 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
>
>> To repeat what others have said, 48-50 really is the comfortable limit on 
>> my 18'. I'm running 43mm and the SKS fenders are TIGHT, especially on the 
>> rear. I know normally bike brands normally pad the max clearance to prevent 
>> warranty claims, but Riv hasn't on this model. It really can't go much 
>> bigger. 
>>
>> - Nathan
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Re: [RBW] Re: How to alter a shimano bar pod to fit a microshift 11 speed shifter

[Andrew Turner]

Super helpful! Glad to know the Silver2 barends can work as-is with 11
speed, that's news to me. As far as pairing the microshift shifters to
shimano bar ends, they fit just fine, I think the major difference I can
find is that the little flat square "peg" that the shifter fits on are
angled differently between the microshift and shimano pod. I'll experiment
later in the week and let you know what I find.

How's 11 speed friction for you? A lot of people seem to think it's a trim
nightmare but I haven't had the pleasure of debunking that first-hand.

Andrew



On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 1:30 PM Matthew Mosen  wrote:

> I'm running a slightly different setup but I figured this might be useful
> info. I have a silver2 shifter in a riv thumb shifter mount on my 1x11
> Susie. Shifts through the range easily. I would switch that 9 speed shimano
> shifter in your photo into friction mode and test if it'll shift through
> that 11 speed cassette. My guess is that it will. If you want 11 speed
> indexing, that's a different story.
>
> Specifically regarding microshift shifters, some (maybe all?) of there
> shifters are physically bigger than the 9 speed shimano shifter in your
> photo. So some material would need to be removed from the bar end pod to
> simply fit the shifter in there. But this has to do with the physical
> dimensions of the shifter, not the shift range.
>
> I guess I need some clarification with one thing related to this topic. Is
> there a difference in overall cassette width when comparing, say, a 9 speed
> cassette and an 11 speed cassette? Seems to me that any cassette designed
> for an HG freehub body would be constrained to the same outer width
> (distance from smallest cog to biggest). As my understanding goes, the jump
> from 9 speed to 10 or 11 is achieved with a narrower chain and reduced
> spacing between adjacent cogs.
>
> Hope this was helpful in some way.
>
> Matt
>
> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 9:38:03 AM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> I've heard of people altering their bar end pods for wider range and I
>> was curious how one goes about doing that. I've got some microshift 11
>> speed bar ends but I want to lose the black pods in exchange for shimano's
>> silver ones.
>>
>> Looks like Roman accomplished it on his Hillborne: "Mark scalloped out a
>> Shimano barpod to fit a 10-speed MTN Microshift thumbie and it all works
>> perfectly."
>>
>> My gut tells me I need to take a file to the top portion of the pod so
>> the lever can get a further rotation...something like this:?
>> [image: Screenshot 2020-11-07 at 11.30.29 AM.png]
>>
>> Or maybe I'm lost. If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd
>> appreciate it! I'd also be curious to know if anyone has done this with
>> their silver2 bar ends and if they'd pull an 11 speed cassette with this
>> modification.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Andrew
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Re: [RBW] 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[Patrick Moore]

John, that's lovely. I can't read the tires' labels (generally I hate
over-logo-ing, but I advise RH to make their labels bigger) but are your
tires Naches Passes? Extra lights? I've put almost 200 miles on the Naches
Pass EL's that I installed on my June 2020 Matthews custom to replace the
Elk Passes, and they are wonderful tires; really, even taking into account
1/2 lb additional weight on each wheel compared to the Elk Pass's, they
don't seem to roll any slower.

*If* your tires are indeed the Naches Pass, question: could you get fenders
over the tires and under the brakes on that frame?

Also, what are those cantilever brakes? I am not merely curious; I really
like my Tektro CR 720s with Salmon (Shimano cartridge) aftermarket pads,
but I do get mild front shudder, and I am open to alternatives.

My first Riv road custom was a late 1994-ordered, early 1995-delivered
custom road bike to replace my 1992 XO-1; I told Grant, "Make it better
than the XO-1." He replied, "Oh, it'll be better." And indeed it was,
designed around the original All Rounder but with tightened angles and road
tubing; very nice. The 2 later custom roads improved even on this one, and
my current Chauncey Matthews 26" wheel road bike for AM and fixed gear
drivetrains takes it further, to the apotheosis and ultimate fruition and
summum bonum and Holy Grail of Grant's initial, road-biased development of
that original All Rounder.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 11:42 AM John in PDX  wrote:

> The All Rounder came to me from the original owner who had lots of
> documentation, ordered in 1995, delivered in January 1996.  Will continue
> to evolve components, working towards Shimano 8-speed index, enjoying the
> Gevenalle shifter pods.
>
> Hope this link works.
>
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Re: [RBW] 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[Patrick Moore]

The color is a very nice green that Grant seemed to like in the early
days. My first All Rounder-based 26" wheel road custom was the same
color (one reason why John's AR provokes such a torrent of nostalgic
sentiment). I've since come to prefer Rivendell's later sage green
(which goes perfectly with the cream that, stirred in with this
original green, might well give you that higly preferred sage green),
but this original Riv green does indeed provoke atavistic and
sentimental memories, and it deserve a place on the archival palette.


S. Greco said: "such a classic! i really get nostalgic about this era
of Rivendell. any idea what this color is? it seems like it was
somewhat common on rivs from this time."

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar bags

[Patrick Moore]

Sam: Thanks for this update and clarification. Will you please keep the
list updated on developments and progress toward sale to public?

I can't guarantee that I'll be a customer, but of the many bar bags I've
tried, and the many more I've read about, this one is among the most
promising. $180 is a lot of money for a small bag, but I'm at that point in
life where I've defined (mostly) what I want and can afford (often) to pay
for it.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 12:22 PM S. Greco  wrote:

> The spec is 4kg (8.8ish lbs). I ride mine filled with heavy camera gear
> and haven't noticed any steering issues. I'll have production samples in a
> few weeks, perhaps you'd like to test one?
>
> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 9:59:33 PM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> About how much weight can you put on the handlebars (no rack)  before
>> steering becomes an issue?
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 5:47:34 PM UTC-5, S. Greco wrote:
>>>
>>> I designed the Route Werks bags. There were an astounding number of scam
>>> sites that popped up once the Kickstarter was funded. I tried posting about
>>> it here but the post was taken down. Our test team is packed with
>>> riv-riders. I even put my Rivendell in the video! Anyway, I can attest that
>>> they bag is in fact real and meets Leah's requirements. We just started
>>> production and will be shipping in January. They will be available for
>>> pre-sale on our webstore  this week.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 2:33:31 PM UTC-5 Steve Cole wrote:
>>>
 I thought everyone should know that I received the following private
 email from another lister.  Caveat Emptor:

 I am new on the list, so we haven’t corresponded before, but I just saw
 your post, below, and thought you should know that is a bag that was sold
 as a Kickstarter item and was pretty expensive.  Right after the
 Kickstarter ended, they started seeing a lot of fake ads selling the bag
 very inexpensively, like the one you posted.  But the thing is, that bag
 doesn’t even exist yet.  And the company that is making the bag, called
 Route Werks, sent out an email warning about the fake ads.  I thought you
 should know.  I hope it all works out for you.


 Sorry if I have caused anyone any problems.

 Steve Cole
 Arlington, VA

 On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 6:26:37 AM UTC-5, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> Leah,
>
> I'm a bit embarrassed to send this reply.  My embarrassment derives
> from the fact that the bag I'm going to tell you about I first saw in a
> Facebook ad.  I can't even recommend it as I have not tried it . . . yet.
> I did bite and one is on the way to me from, I would guess, China, but who
> knows.  I jumped on this bag for a few reasons.  Mostly, they have to do
> with what it can do.  It's easy to open while cycling as the opening faces
> the rider. Second, it has loads of attachment points for phones, Go Pros,
>  bells, lights, etc.  Third, it seems to fit very comfortably between drop
> handlebars and shouldn't be an issue for upright bars like I use.  
> Finally,
> the price is very right -- $40.  Here's the link:
>
>
> https://budsweet.net/collections/BICYCLE-ACCESSORIES/products/smart-multifunctional-handlebar
> .
>
> And here's a photo:
>
>
>
> I don't think it comes in other colors so it may not work with your
> raspberry sparkler.  Still, I think it's work looking at the website at
> least to see how clever the designers were in developing this bag.  For 
> me,
> this just looked too good to pass up and pass along.
>
> Cheers,
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 12:58:11 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding
> Ding! wrote:
>>
>> While I wait for the wheelset of my Platypus, I’ve been thinking
>> about how I want to set up my bars (sorry, I just cannot call it a
>> ‘cockpit’). I’ve got 52 Boscos in aluminum to look forward to, and I want
>> to keep my bike as svelte and light as I can. I did the unthinkable and
>> paid for a Spurcycle bell just now ($49 for a bell?!) and now I need bags
>> in keeping with the look. I’ve never ventured past Rivendell and Randi Jo
>> for bags, so I’m unaware of what great offerings the market offers.
>>
>> As far as function goes, I’ve got that figured out. Attached are our
>> pair of mom and kid Clems, which we have set up similarly with a Randi Jo
>> bag for our Hydroflasks and a XS Saddlesack facing the rider for
>> iPhones/keys/essentials. I like both of these bags, but neither holds all
>> my items. I’d like to have only one bag so my bars aren’t so cluttered. I
>> do know that Riv is re-doing some of their Sackville line, so I’ve 
>> emailed
>> to ask about those details. I’d prefer to give Rivendell my money, but
>> we’ll see what th

[RBW] WTB: 58cm Atlantis

[Michael Iauch]

Please get in touch if you have one you'd be interested in selling. 
Frameset or complete. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Running a Mark's rack/basket....AND a handlebar bag?!?!?!

[spencer robinson]

I have a rack, basket and handlebar bag on my Sam. I do not have a strap on 
my basket, I do check all the mounting nuts and bolts when I clean and 
lube. I always have an Irish or full spectrum strap in the stuff I carry, 
then if I find a cool thing or 2 at a yard sale or carry home a 12 pack, I 
run the strap over the bag, from the stem, over the bars and to the front 
of the rack. Many times the heaviest thing I have in the basket is the 
coffee kit and a sweater.

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:22:24 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Actually...even better, you mentioned the attachment doesn't need to do 
> anything until it's needed...would there be any issue using the irish strap 
> to handlebars connection but keeping it loose enough that it just goes 
> behind the bag? That might be my best move. 
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:20:33 PM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
>> Holy smokes I didn't even think about steering! I've just been tinkering 
>> in the basement and haven't hopped on the bike to try any of these 
>> configurations.
>>
>> So just to be clear, you think if I do something loosely connecting head 
>> tube to tombstone, it'd work okay as a failsafe? 
>>
>> I appreciate it!
>> Ben
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 1:59:08 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, not ok. that's going to have ill, very ill, or maybe very very very 
>>> ill affects on your steering when it's even remotely snug (it could tighten 
>>> up at will). You're looking for a failsafe, not something to actually do 
>>> anything until it's needed. You might try a fairly loose loop of paracord 
>>> or heavy shoelace, just long enough to not catch or bind, but not too long 
>>> or it'll get into your brakes and wheel. Tying off to the handlebar is 
>>> straightforward because it moves with the rack, headtubes don't so keep it 
>>> loose[ish]. And to keep it up and out of the moving bits, consider tying 
>>> off to the horizontal top bar of your basket directly in front of the 
>>> tombstone, that way it won't want to get fussy with your headset.
>>> Have fun!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 11:54:22 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Here's a photo of what I'm thinking about doing with the strap and head 
 tube...
 [image: irish.jpg]
 The strap is looped through each side of the tombstone twice...once 
 through and around the head tube on the opposite side, and then once 
 though 
 the inside of the tombstone and back on the same side of the head tube (if 
 that makes sense).

 It's snug...but my two concerns are...
 1. it won't stop the rack/basket from crashing into the front wheel if 
 the rack fails (I'm not a physics person...but I'm guessing there's more 
 holding power vertically than horizontally)
 2. The strap is going to dull up or rub off the paint on the head tube.

 HOWEVER...as I was typing this, I found this...

 https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/26c66c05ba4e4/IMG_1683.JPG?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrEq-9QnruTkMcmxuNN9WRRDupm4Sh5lxv-I6NA_WVq9zMoW7YG8PJm6dkg0zmWGvc0jPMXrF4yVRs-NP2B3aA4xDxxQ3P78klLrAgHSI79Llf-AOr8

 It looks like lashing the tombstone to the head tube has been an option 
 for at least Soma and their "Manny Strap". I'm guessing I'm okay with it 
 the way I have it.

 Right? 
 On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 10:19:16 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:

> Hey all!
> I recently set up my Atlantis with a Mark's rack and medium Walk 
> zip-tied to it. I double strutted the rack and have the Irish strap 
> connecting the tombstone to the bars (Chocos). 
>
> I have an x-small saddle sack that I love and was offered a matching 
> one at a great price. I love the way the x-small sack looks/fits on my 
> handlebars, but I'm having some serious issues figuring out how to strap 
> the tombstone for support while having a handlebar bag.
>
> One solution I might have is to strap the tombstone to the headtube 
> horizontally. I did it a minute ago and looped the Irish strap a bunch of 
> times and tightened it up. Is this good enough for supporting the rack if 
> the tange fails? Will the strap on the frame rub off the paint or 
> top/clear 
> coat? 
>
> Any ideas on how to have both a Mark's rack and x-small handlebar bag 
> are welcome. 
>
> For what it's worth...I don't plan on ever exceeding the 4 pound 
> recommendation on the rack. I've used it to carry my 3 pound laptop and 
> charger (with a Captain Hook), to grab a 3 pound bag of groceries, 
> etc...I 
> may push it to a six pack of beer, but I have a rear rack and panniers if 
> I 
> need to carry anything heavy. 
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
>


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[RBW] Re: Wolbis Slugstone Build

[Paul Richardson]

looking great.  love the wild direction you went with the build--really 
suits (what i consider to be) a totally whacky frame.  good synergy!!

paul
takoma park, md.


On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 6:10:33 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> Sorry, did not fully answer Andrew's  questions. I have Cliffhangers on my 
> Hubbuhubbuh, which is also new to me, so could not give you a comprehensive 
> comparison. They are fine, a rounded profile with a flat silver finish and 
> no eyelets. The Rhynos have eyelets and a more traditional boxy profile, 
> and are made by the company that puts out the venerable CR-18 rims, always 
> a  solid choice. I imagine they are both good reliable rims. My aesthetics 
> favor the Rhynos (yes, even in white) but if I had to wait on one and 
> wanted the wheels I would probably get the other and not worry about it.
>
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:22:37 PM UTC-5, Andrew Stevens wrote:
>
>> Nice! I'm waiting on mine, and have been stumped looking for rims. How do 
>> you feel about the Rhyno XLs? Those are the 36 hole right? I don't believe 
>> they came in a 32. Would you recommend them over waiting for Velocity 
>> Cliffhangers to come back in stock?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Running a Mark's rack/basket....AND a handlebar bag?!?!?!

[Ben Mihovk]

Yeah...for the little I'm carrying in the basket, I'm probably being overly 
cautious insisting on trying to find a permanent place for the strap. 
On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 6:38:07 PM UTC-6 spencer robinson wrote:

> I have a rack, basket and handlebar bag on my Sam. I do not have a strap 
> on my basket, I do check all the mounting nuts and bolts when I clean and 
> lube. I always have an Irish or full spectrum strap in the stuff I carry, 
> then if I find a cool thing or 2 at a yard sale or carry home a 12 pack, I 
> run the strap over the bag, from the stem, over the bars and to the front 
> of the rack. Many times the heaviest thing I have in the basket is the 
> coffee kit and a sweater.
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:22:24 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Actually...even better, you mentioned the attachment doesn't need to do 
>> anything until it's needed...would there be any issue using the irish strap 
>> to handlebars connection but keeping it loose enough that it just goes 
>> behind the bag? That might be my best move. 
>>
>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:20:33 PM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>>
>>> Holy smokes I didn't even think about steering! I've just been tinkering 
>>> in the basement and haven't hopped on the bike to try any of these 
>>> configurations.
>>>
>>> So just to be clear, you think if I do something loosely connecting head 
>>> tube to tombstone, it'd work okay as a failsafe? 
>>>
>>> I appreciate it!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 1:59:08 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No, not ok. that's going to have ill, very ill, or maybe very very very 
 ill affects on your steering when it's even remotely snug (it could 
 tighten 
 up at will). You're looking for a failsafe, not something to actually do 
 anything until it's needed. You might try a fairly loose loop of paracord 
 or heavy shoelace, just long enough to not catch or bind, but not too long 
 or it'll get into your brakes and wheel. Tying off to the handlebar is 
 straightforward because it moves with the rack, headtubes don't so keep it 
 loose[ish]. And to keep it up and out of the moving bits, consider tying 
 off to the horizontal top bar of your basket directly in front of the 
 tombstone, that way it won't want to get fussy with your headset.
 Have fun!
 -Kai

 On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 11:54:22 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Here's a photo of what I'm thinking about doing with the strap and 
> head tube...
> [image: irish.jpg]
> The strap is looped through each side of the tombstone twice...once 
> through and around the head tube on the opposite side, and then once 
> though 
> the inside of the tombstone and back on the same side of the head tube 
> (if 
> that makes sense).
>
> It's snug...but my two concerns are...
> 1. it won't stop the rack/basket from crashing into the front wheel if 
> the rack fails (I'm not a physics person...but I'm guessing there's more 
> holding power vertically than horizontally)
> 2. The strap is going to dull up or rub off the paint on the head tube.
>
> HOWEVER...as I was typing this, I found this...
>
> https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/26c66c05ba4e4/IMG_1683.JPG?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrEq-9QnruTkMcmxuNN9WRRDupm4Sh5lxv-I6NA_WVq9zMoW7YG8PJm6dkg0zmWGvc0jPMXrF4yVRs-NP2B3aA4xDxxQ3P78klLrAgHSI79Llf-AOr8
>
> It looks like lashing the tombstone to the head tube has been an 
> option for at least Soma and their "Manny Strap". I'm guessing I'm okay 
> with it the way I have it.
>
> Right? 
> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 10:19:16 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote:
>
>> Hey all!
>> I recently set up my Atlantis with a Mark's rack and medium Walk 
>> zip-tied to it. I double strutted the rack and have the Irish strap 
>> connecting the tombstone to the bars (Chocos). 
>>
>> I have an x-small saddle sack that I love and was offered a matching 
>> one at a great price. I love the way the x-small sack looks/fits on my 
>> handlebars, but I'm having some serious issues figuring out how to strap 
>> the tombstone for support while having a handlebar bag.
>>
>> One solution I might have is to strap the tombstone to the headtube 
>> horizontally. I did it a minute ago and looped the Irish strap a bunch 
>> of 
>> times and tightened it up. Is this good enough for supporting the rack 
>> if 
>> the tange fails? Will the strap on the frame rub off the paint or 
>> top/clear 
>> coat? 
>>
>> Any ideas on how to have both a Mark's rack and x-small handlebar bag 
>> are welcome. 
>>
>> For what it's worth...I don't plan on ever exceeding the 4 pound 
>> recommendation on the rack. I've used it to carry my 3 pound laptop and 
>> charger (with a Captain Hook

Re: [RBW] 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[John in PDX]

Nice comments, thanks.  Color official name os golden olive, and that it 
is.  Little metallic, little pearl sheen to it.  Don’t think cream would be 
a good contrast. 

Tires are older Compass.  Think they are equivalent to Natches Pass, 1.8”. 
 Room for fenders.  Tektro 720 cantis.  Still dialing in to eliminate the 
front squeal, the original owner had given up on that and installed 
B-brakes, which I don’t favor.  Love the big volume supple tires.  Think 
this bike can be a true all a rounder, city bike, light and heavy touring, 
gravel.  Much like the Atlantis.  

Original owner gave me paint chips Grant had sent to finalize the color 
selection.  

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:55:55 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The color is a very nice green that Grant seemed to like in the early
> days. My first All Rounder-based 26" wheel road custom was the same
> color (one reason why John's AR provokes such a torrent of nostalgic
> sentiment). I've since come to prefer Rivendell's later sage green
> (which goes perfectly with the cream that, stirred in with this
> original green, might well give you that higly preferred sage green),
> but this original Riv green does indeed provoke atavistic and
> sentimental memories, and it deserve a place on the archival palette.
>
>
> S. Greco said: "such a classic! i really get nostalgic about this era
> of Rivendell. any idea what this color is? it seems like it was
> somewhat common on rivs from this time."
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>

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Re: [RBW] 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[Greg J]

Beautiful, John.  Timeless bike!  And I actually prefer the single color 
paint jobs from the earlier Rivs,  I had a light blue Road that I sold that 
was a single color.  I now have an early AR also, but it has a contrasting 
cream head tube, and I think it makes it a little foppish.

Greg 

On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 5:59:11 PM UTC-8, John in PDX wrote:
>
> Nice comments, thanks.  Color official name os golden olive, and that it 
> is.  Little metallic, little pearl sheen to it.  Don’t think cream would be 
> a good contrast. 
>
> Tires are older Compass.  Think they are equivalent to Natches Pass, 1.8”. 
>  Room for fenders.  Tektro 720 cantis.  Still dialing in to eliminate the 
> front squeal, the original owner had given up on that and installed 
> B-brakes, which I don’t favor.  Love the big volume supple tires.  Think 
> this bike can be a true all a rounder, city bike, light and heavy touring, 
> gravel.  Much like the Atlantis.  
>
> Original owner gave me paint chips Grant had sent to finalize the color 
> selection.  
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:55:55 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The color is a very nice green that Grant seemed to like in the early 
>> days. My first All Rounder-based 26" wheel road custom was the same 
>> color (one reason why John's AR provokes such a torrent of nostalgic 
>> sentiment). I've since come to prefer Rivendell's later sage green 
>> (which goes perfectly with the cream that, stirred in with this 
>> original green, might well give you that higly preferred sage green), 
>> but this original Riv green does indeed provoke atavistic and 
>> sentimental memories, and it deserve a place on the archival palette. 
>>
>>
>> S. Greco said: "such a classic! i really get nostalgic about this era 
>> of Rivendell. any idea what this color is? it seems like it was 
>> somewhat common on rivs from this time." 
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> --- 
>> Patrick Moore 
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum 
>>
>

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[RBW] Walking shoes/boots advice, once again after 6+ months

[Patrick Moore]

Over 6 months ago I provoked a thread about comfortable and durable
footwear for ~ 5-mile hikes that are also seemly for casual about-town
wear. Many kindly replied, and the upshot was that I set my red and beady
eye on Redwing's Chukka model.

In the event, the proposed trip provoking the question did not materialize.
But in the interval since, while continuing to research "hiking shoes," the
algorithms have called up many ads for "Thursday" boots highlighting the
buzzwords of l"value" and "no-nonsense" and "Goodyear welt" and "durable,"
and the reviews are generally favorable. I am looking particularly at
Thursday's "Captain" model at $199.

After that long run-up: have any of all-y'all *personal *experience with
Thursday products generally or the Captain particularly? I am tempted to
pound the "Add To Cart" button for a personal Xmas present, but of would be
grateful for any available* preliminary guidance.

I welcome *rational and considered comments, even tangential if rational
and considered.

Thanks.


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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Silver or Dia Comp Downtube Shifter or pair of Bar End Shifters

[Nikko Mendoza]

Hey Rob,
How much are you looking to get from your bar-ends?

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 3:45 PM Rob H.  wrote:

> I think I've got some silver bar end shifters, including pods. If you
> decide to go that way, private message me. I live near Oakland.
>
> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 11:31:24 AM UTC-8, Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>>
>> Hey y'all,
>>
>> I'm running a SRAM RD now, but can see that crapping out soon and having
>> to move to this Shimano XT RD. I have a right downtube shifter, but need a
>> left one to match. My right DT shifter is a Dia Comp one
>> . I'd love
>> a matching one, but would be fine with any Silver DT shifter, too.
>>
>> Alternatively, if someone has a pair of bar-end shifters lying around,
>> I'd love to buy those used.
>>
>> Holler at me,
>> Nikko
>>
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Re: [RBW] 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[Patrick Moore]

Aha. Thanks for the clarification. So this means that my current (summer,
2020) road bike may be the culmination of the trend starting with the XOs
and passing through the All Rounder, but diverted toward road/pavement
riding: 26 X 42s with fenders, normal gauge, thinnish-wall 531 frame,
geometry tweaked for best handling on pavement.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2020 at 6:59 PM John in PDX  wrote:

> Nice comments, thanks.  Color official name os golden olive, and that it
> is.  Little metallic, little pearl sheen to it.  Don’t think cream would be
> a good contrast.
>
> Tires are older Compass.  Think they are equivalent to Natches Pass,
> 1.8”.  Room for fenders.  Tektro 720 cantis.  Still dialing in to eliminate
> the front squeal, the original owner had given up on that and installed
> B-brakes, which I don’t favor.  Love the big volume supple tires.  Think
> this bike can be a true all a rounder, city bike, light and heavy touring,
> gravel.  Much like the Atlantis.
>
> Original owner gave me paint chips Grant had sent to finalize the color
> selection.
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:55:55 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The color is a very nice green that Grant seemed to like in the early
>> days. My first All Rounder-based 26" wheel road custom was the same
>> color (one reason why John's AR provokes such a torrent of nostalgic
>> sentiment). I've since come to prefer Rivendell's later sage green
>> (which goes perfectly with the cream that, stirred in with this
>> original green, might well give you that higly preferred sage green),
>> but this original Riv green does indeed provoke atavistic and
>> sentimental memories, and it deserve a place on the archival palette.
>>
>>
>> S. Greco said: "such a classic! i really get nostalgic about this era
>> of Rivendell. any idea what this color is? it seems like it was
>> somewhat common on rivs from this time."
>>
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>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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