[RBW] Re: fresh new look for google groups?????

[Roberta]

Garth 

You highlighted the word(s) and then choose black color for the text?

I found, and another member noted, that the reply to author button wasn’t 
available to be chosen .  That is, it was there, but greyed out.  For me, 
when I choose it, I got a message saying I didn’t have permissions.  I was 
signed into the forum.

Roberta

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 6:21:40 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> So I'm seeing a grey background and grey text for many replies unless you 
> specify BLACK as I did here to illustrate the absurdity of grey on grey.  
>
> It's like a Hotel that you can check in any time but you can never leave. 
> Welcome to Hotel  Cali-reform-ation . 
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:07:38 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> And another additional dumbing down I came across in the new interface - 
>> the only option for adding an image to a message is to have the image 
>> already on your PC - no way to specify a URL for an image on the web.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:24:25 UTC+10, Nick Payne wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a brief look and switched back:
>>>
>>> a) When you look at the group overview, there doesn't appear to be 
>>> anything to indicate which threads have any new posts.
>>>
>>> b) All the toolbar icons are pretty much identical. You have to hover 
>>> the mouse over each one to see what it does.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 1:20:24 pm UTC+10 Kieran J wrote:
>>>
 I tried the new one and then immediately switched it back LOL.

 KJ


 On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 7:06:35 PM UTC-7, eddietheflay wrote:
>
> i am thinking newer may not be better. you?
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: fresh new look for google groups?????

[Steve Palincsar]

It would save a great deal of confusion if you specified exactly how you 
were accessing the list.  This "private reply" issue are not present if 
you view the list with a web browser.


On 7/12/20 6:24 AM, Roberta wrote:

Garth

You highlighted the word(s) and then choose black color for the text?

I found, and another member noted, that the reply to author button 
wasn’t available to be chosen .  That is, it was there, but greyed 
out.  For me, when I choose it, I got a message saying I didn’t have 
permissions.  I was signed into the forum.


Roberta

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 6:21:40 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:

So I'm seeing a grey background and grey text for many replies
unless you specify BLACK as I did here to illustrate the absurdity
of grey on grey.

It's like a Hotel that you can check in any time but you can never
leave. Welcome to Hotel  Cali-reform-ation .
On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:07:38 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote:

And another additional dumbing down I came across in the new
interface - the only option for adding an image to a message
is to have the image already on your PC - no way to specify a
URL for an image on the web.


On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:24:25 UTC+10, Nick Payne wrote:

I had a brief look and switched back:

a) When you look at the group overview, there doesn't
appear to be anything to indicate which threads have any
new posts.

b) All the toolbar icons are pretty much identical. You
have to hover the mouse over each one to see what it does.


On Tuesday, 23 June 2020 at 1:20:24 pm UTC+10 Kieran J wrote:

I tried the new one and then immediately switched it
back LOL.

KJ


On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 7:06:35 PM UTC-7,
eddietheflay wrote:

i am thinking newer may not be better. you?



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Re: [RBW] Re: fresh new look for google groups?????

[Roberta]

 I was in my iPhone. 

I know in the classic mode on iPhone, there is a switch to desktop option to be 
able to see reply to author button. In the new mode, I did see the button, but 
it was greyed  out. I looked around for switch to desktop mode but didn’t see 
anything.  I was signed into the group. 

For now, I’m sticking with the classic. The posting list on the new version 
isn’t as useful or give as much information as the classic. 

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[RBW] 50cm Atlantis. 650b

[Joel Stern]

I find it hard to believe there is nobody within 2 hours of Springfield MA 
with a 650b 50cm Atlantis.  It would be such a great help to see and 
standover one.  

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[RBW] Re: 50cm Atlantis. 650b

[Dave Johnston]

Last year the 50cm Atlantis was a 26" bike as we discussed earlier, so I'm 
not sure how many 650b versions are actually out there in the wild.

The posted geometry pages haven't been updated since 2019 so I'm not even 
sure what all has changed.
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry

Otherwise without further info I would expect the 51cm Appaloosa and 50cm 
Atlantis to ride very similar, with the Atlantis having one extra cm of 
stand over clearance, and 1cm less stack and about the same reach, but it 
is quite possible Grant made the 2020 Atlantis and 2021 Appaloosa longer in 
the top tube, every year the top tubes and chain-stays seem to get longer.

-Dave



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> I find it hard to believe there is nobody within 2 hours of Springfield MA 
> with a 650b 50cm Atlantis.  It would be such a great help to see and 
> standover one.  

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[RBW] Redwood Rambouillet Atlantis

[bo richardson]

Kim is pretty tall. Her Rambouillet is a 66 with custom root beer colored 
paint. Her Brothers Atlantis is a 68
and i doubt anyone has ever gotten more pleasure from their first ride on a 
bike that fits.However Kim doesnt need to warehouse a second tall Rivendell. 
The Redwood really is functionally new with the new drivetrain and top of the 
line non moving parts such as bar stem racks etc. It would be a shame for this 
bike to go back into storage in an already crowded dark garage...I am 5’6 and 
rode the redwood down to Cafe Velow and it rides like a true Rivendell, i.e. 
nice.

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[RBW] 50cm Atlantis. 650b

[Bill Lindsay]

How many 50cm 650b Atlantis’ do you figure have been sold?  My guess would be 
about 20. What percentage of Rivendell customers frequent the relevant Google 
Groups boards?  I’d guess probably around 1/50. Maybe less. What percentage of 
the US population is within two hours of Springfield Massachusetts?  Maybe 1%?  

Even if I’m way off and Rivendell has sold 50 of them, lots of people don’t 
want to invite strangers to their home and in summer 2020 people are even more 
careful about unnecessary contact. 

Your hard work on research is admirable but I have no trouble believing you 
haven’t found a test fit specimen yet. 

Maybe you could convince one of the shops to build one for their sales floor. 
You offer to buy a $500 store credit and they build up a new 50cm Atlantis for 
the floor. You ride it and if you like it you buy it. If you don’t like it you 
use your $500 store credit on other things. 

Maybe you could start with finding anyone with an 50cm 650b Atlantis. Maybe 
that person is 3 hours away or 5. Maybe once you find that person you’ll find a 
way to get on the bike. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca
My 650b Atlantis is a 56 and is no longer made 

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Re: [RBW] Re: 50cm Atlantis. 650b

[Joel Stern]

Dave, so it is just the 2020’s then.  So now it makes sense.  Thanks

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:20 AM Dave Johnston  wrote:

> Last year the 50cm Atlantis was a 26" bike as we discussed earlier, so I'm
> not sure how many 650b versions are actually out there in the wild.
>
> The posted geometry pages haven't been updated since 2019 so I'm not even
> sure what all has changed.
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry
>
> Otherwise without further info I would expect the 51cm Appaloosa and 50cm
> Atlantis to ride very similar, with the Atlantis having one extra cm of
> stand over clearance, and 1cm less stack and about the same reach, but it
> is quite possible Grant made the 2020 Atlantis and 2021 Appaloosa longer in
> the top tube, every year the top tubes and chain-stays seem to get longer.
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 10:03:51 AM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I find it hard to believe there is nobody within 2 hours of Springfield
>> MA with a 650b 50cm Atlantis.  It would be such a great help to see and
>> standover one.
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Re: [RBW] 50cm Atlantis. 650b

[Joel Stern]

I was lucky enough to find a kind list member and tries his 51 Appaloosa
that I am leaning toward, if one shows up I will snatch it up.  Just want
to try the 650b Atlantis but until now I did not understand these are new
for 2020.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:33 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> How many 50cm 650b Atlantis’ do you figure have been sold?  My guess would
> be about 20. What percentage of Rivendell customers frequent the relevant
> Google Groups boards?  I’d guess probably around 1/50. Maybe less. What
> percentage of the US population is within two hours of Springfield
> Massachusetts?  Maybe 1%?
>
> Even if I’m way off and Rivendell has sold 50 of them, lots of people
> don’t want to invite strangers to their home and in summer 2020 people are
> even more careful about unnecessary contact.
>
> Your hard work on research is admirable but I have no trouble believing
> you haven’t found a test fit specimen yet.
>
> Maybe you could convince one of the shops to build one for their sales
> floor. You offer to buy a $500 store credit and they build up a new 50cm
> Atlantis for the floor. You ride it and if you like it you buy it. If you
> don’t like it you use your $500 store credit on other things.
>
> Maybe you could start with finding anyone with an 50cm 650b Atlantis.
> Maybe that person is 3 hours away or 5. Maybe once you find that person
> you’ll find a way to get on the bike.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito Ca
> My 650b Atlantis is a 56 and is no longer made
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Brett Callahan]

That's a great looking build.  I recently helped a friend build up a purple 
poly, and it is an impressive bike.  Easy to build. I'd very much reccommend it 
to anyone who wants "Riv-adjacent" aesthetics with disc brakes.   

If Riv is going to push for more riders to ride V brakes with drops, dare I 
hope we'll see them make or partner with someone on a better drop bar V lever? 
The widely available Tektro, which I use, is unpleasant, ugly and cheap.  I'd 
love to see something like the TRP levers for Vs.  

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Re: [RBW] 50cm Atlantis. 650b

[Ryan M.]

If I remember correctly, the Appaloosa was designed with the Chaco bars in 
mind, so more swept back and has a longer top tube length.

I have a 51 cm Appaloosa and have had the Chaco moose bars on it originally and 
now have a set of Bullmoose bars on it. The change in riding position was 
noticeable between the two bars but neither are bad And both are pleasant. I 
changed bars mostly as an experiment and could go back to the chacos in the 
future. Anyway, it seems like the Atlantis would be a little more friendly for 
drop bars if you were thinking about them...maybe a little shorter reach. Stand 
over probably is pretty comparable between the two. I’m personally over drop 
bars after having realized I never ride in the drops. 

I’m 5’6.5” - 5’ 7” tall depending on how my body feels that day, with a 79pbh 
that I have self measured several times. The stand over height of the Appaloosa 
does not bother me.

Just some data points. I have owned and ridden a 48c Sam Hillborne, 51cm 
Roadeo, 53cm Toyo built Atlantis with 26” wheels, 51cm Appaloosa and now a 
51.5cm Frank Jones Sr. They all seemed to fit me fine. 

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Re: [RBW] 50cm Atlantis. 650b

[Joel Stern]

Ryan, I ride with Albatross bars.  The TT on the Atlantis 650b 50cm and the
51cm Appaloosa are the same.  Given that it would be just a touch easier,
in my mind, to get the bars higher on the Appaloosa but maybe I am wrong.
My standover is a bit more than 80.5. The TT slightly brushed me on the 51
Appaloosa but not in a bad way. The old Riv philosophy was to ride the
largest frame you could to get the bars high and show little TT.  With the
ne philosophy of having less frame sizes  that seems to have changed.  I
like the Appaloosa a lot, I love the orange, just looks very classy.



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wrote:

> If I remember correctly, the Appaloosa was designed with the Chaco bars in
> mind, so more swept back and has a longer top tube length.
>
> I have a 51 cm Appaloosa and have had the Chaco moose bars on it
> originally and now have a set of Bullmoose bars on it. The change in riding
> position was noticeable between the two bars but neither are bad And both
> are pleasant. I changed bars mostly as an experiment and could go back to
> the chacos in the future. Anyway, it seems like the Atlantis would be a
> little more friendly for drop bars if you were thinking about them...maybe
> a little shorter reach. Stand over probably is pretty comparable between
> the two. I’m personally over drop bars after having realized I never ride
> in the drops.
>
> I’m 5’6.5” - 5’ 7” tall depending on how my body feels that day, with a
> 79pbh that I have self measured several times. The stand over height of the
> Appaloosa does not bother me.
>
> Just some data points. I have owned and ridden a 48c Sam Hillborne, 51cm
> Roadeo, 53cm Toyo built Atlantis with 26” wheels, 51cm Appaloosa and now a
> 51.5cm Frank Jones Sr. They all seemed to fit me fine.
>
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[RBW] Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Joel Stern]

I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as Oi 
rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old trusty 
B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then I 
stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
+20=110mm.  

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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Steve Cole]

Joel,

You can purchase directly from Gilles Berthoud in France.  The website has 
an English-language version and purchase and receipt has gone perfectly for 
me on several items.   

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as 
> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old 
> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then 
> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
> +20=110mm.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Steve, zi wasn’t sure if that was a good way to go.  Have you ridden
the Mente? What do you think of Berthoud vs. Brooks?

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 1:17 PM Steve Cole  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> You can purchase directly from Gilles Berthoud in France.  The website has
> an English-language version and purchase and receipt has gone perfectly for
> me on several items.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as
>> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old
>> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then
>> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles.
>> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the
>> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay
>> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but
>> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather
>> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if
>> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.
>> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart,
>> +20=110mm.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: fresh new look for google groups?????

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Chrome on Android. When I switch to Desktop I get the grayed out Reply To 
Author, when I switch back to Classic Groups it takes me back to the mobile 
version. I can no longer find one that restores a PM feature. 

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[RBW] FS: 2003 Curt Goodrich-built, Dave Porter and Chauncey Matthews-modified 26" wheel Rivendell Road fixed gear custom ***road bike***

[Joe Bernard]

I gotta tell ya Patrick, I'm mighty impressed that you got that much detail 
into a FS post without mentioning the size 👍

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Lyman Labry]

My Crosscheck was about 25 lbs and when stripped down, was fairly swift.
I’m guessing, weight wise, that might be a valid comparison with 25lb
Roadini. That gives me something to think about.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 4:47 PM Mike Packard  wrote:

> I believe the Roadini has 130 mm rear spacing vs most (all?) other Rivs
> have 135, if that matters.
>
> mike
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[RBW] **Size** 58 c-c with 56.5 or 57 cm tt [2003 Curt Goodrich-built, Dave Porter and Chauncey Matthews-modified 26" wheel Rivendell Road fixed gear custom ***road bike***]

[Patrick Moore]

58 X 56.5 or 57 c-c, with sloping tt and high head and steerer. My ideal
level tt size is 60 X 56-57.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:48 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Two people asked me a while ago to sell this frameset to them. I know the
> name of the second person; I forget the name of the first, who offered me
> $650 shipped.
>
> I feel obliged to give these 2 right of refusal in the order they
> contacted me.
>
> Price is $750 shipped CONUS.
>
> I am selling frame, fork (no headset), integrated racks (there are front
> lowriders to match), fenders (VO 50 mm), extra fenders (new no package
> Berthoud 650B 40 mm), and if you want it, a well used but still
> bearing-smooth Surly fixed/free 130 mm OL hub.
>
> Note:
>
> 1. I am selling the package; will not part out.
>
> 2. Sorry, the brake calipers **are not included.**
>
> 3. The frame had threaded fender bosses under rear bridge and crown; *I
> stripped those* so that the rear fender uses the usual sheet metal clamp,
> and the front uses a daruma. (I cut off the formerly-threaded fork crown
> plate to install the daruma.)
>
> 4. The seatstay bridge is a wee bit too low for perfect fender line, as
> you can see from the photo, but it will accommodate 1.35mm Kojaks on 21 mm
> outside rimes underneath with enough clearance to leave my conscience free.
>
> 5. I cut ~4 mm off the ends of the long rear dropouts to make axle entry
> and egress easier; you can see the primer in the photo.
>
> 6. The racks and frame have dyno lighting wire guides but designed for SON
> DeLuxe and Edeluxe 1. Wire runs from hub up inside left fender/lowrider
> arch strut to lamp which bolts to bracket at top of arch; tail light wire
> runs back down strut to dropout, then up fork leg in guide where it has to
> wind around brake cable to access guides along top tube; thence to guides
> on right seatstay down to rack where it disappears into rack tube only to
> emerge at the rear of rack for attachment to the tail light.
>
> 7. Note these well:
>
> *** getting 2 wires up and down the arch/strut is a royal pain!** But I
> did it and so can you. It looks nice and need. Or run up on outside with
> zip ties, what do I care?
>
> ** the holes in the arch and rack struts are just holes: no grommets or
> finessing, just holes. But in x thousand -- 6? 8? -- miles including many
> bumps my wires were never cut or compromised.
>
> Upon initial assembly, frame, fork (forget if I subsequently cut the
> steerer. but don't worry, it's long enough, along with sloping tt and
> raised head tube) to get bar high) and Ultegra headset (*not included*)
> weighed 7 lb.
>
> This is a stout frame and the stoutness -- more stout than the 1999 Joe
> Starck which was its model -- made it "bog*" for me -- unlike the 1999.
>
> * "bogging" is the diametrical opposite of "planing."
>
> Lastly, photo credits: My daughter Catie snapped these shots with her
> iPhone 8 S in 4 minutes and got results that make my best efforts look like
> those of an 8 year old with a Brownie Box Camera.
>
> More lastly yet: I include a photo of the bike that replaced this 2003
> Riv, also taken by Catie which is not as nicely built or finished, but man,
> does it ride better!
>
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 2003 Curt Goodrich-built, Dave Porter and Chauncey Matthews-modified 26" wheel Rivendell Road fixed gear custom ***road bike***

[Patrick Moore]

*One* probably not last remark: The journey to my custom 26" wheel road
frames started with mountain bikes converted to road use, went to a 1992
XO-1, and then to the 3 Riv customs that I asked Grant to make as
improvements on the XO-1. He said of the first, 1995, not as good as 2 and
3, "*Oh, it'll be an improvement."* And it was; and the 1999 and this 2003
are even more so: far better than the XO-1, same clearances, but better
handling by far on pavement and on dirt with 29-32 mm tires.

Oh, well, more remark: 73" sta, 72.5 hta, forget bb drop but designed for
sufficient clearance for 170s with 23 mm tires, tho' the frame has the
usual "sit in it" low-rise confident feeling of Grant's designs.

Patrick "That's all folks!" Moore

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 11:48 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Two people asked me a while ago to sell this frameset to them. I know the
> name of the second person; I forget the name of the first, who offered me
> $650 shipped.
>
> I feel obliged to give these 2 right of refusal in the order they
> contacted me.
>
> Price is $750 shipped CONUS.
>
> I am selling frame, fork (no headset), integrated racks (there are front
> lowriders to match), fenders (VO 50 mm), extra fenders (new no package
> Berthoud 650B 40 mm), and if you want it, a well used but still
> bearing-smooth Surly fixed/free 130 mm OL hub.
>
> Note:
>
> 1. I am selling the package; will not part out.
>
> 2. Sorry, the brake calipers **are not included.**
>
> 3. The frame had threaded fender bosses under rear bridge and crown; *I
> stripped those* so that the rear fender uses the usual sheet metal clamp,
> and the front uses a daruma. (I cut off the formerly-threaded fork crown
> plate to install the daruma.)
>
> 4. The seatstay bridge is a wee bit too low for perfect fender line, as
> you can see from the photo, but it will accommodate 1.35mm Kojaks on 21 mm
> outside rimes underneath with enough clearance to leave my conscience free.
>
> 5. I cut ~4 mm off the ends of the long rear dropouts to make axle entry
> and egress easier; you can see the primer in the photo.
>
> 6. The racks and frame have dyno lighting wire guides but designed for SON
> DeLuxe and Edeluxe 1. Wire runs from hub up inside left fender/lowrider
> arch strut to lamp which bolts to bracket at top of arch; tail light wire
> runs back down strut to dropout, then up fork leg in guide where it has to
> wind around brake cable to access guides along top tube; thence to guides
> on right seatstay down to rack where it disappears into rack tube only to
> emerge at the rear of rack for attachment to the tail light.
>
> 7. Note these well:
>
> *** getting 2 wires up and down the arch/strut is a royal pain!** But I
> did it and so can you. It looks nice and need. Or run up on outside with
> zip ties, what do I care?
>
> ** the holes in the arch and rack struts are just holes: no grommets or
> finessing, just holes. But in x thousand -- 6? 8? -- miles including many
> bumps my wires were never cut or compromised.
>
> Upon initial assembly, frame, fork (forget if I subsequently cut the
> steerer. but don't worry, it's long enough, along with sloping tt and
> raised head tube) to get bar high) and Ultegra headset (*not included*)
> weighed 7 lb.
>
> This is a stout frame and the stoutness -- more stout than the 1999 Joe
> Starck which was its model -- made it "bog*" for me -- unlike the 1999.
>
> * "bogging" is the diametrical opposite of "planing."
>
> Lastly, photo credits: My daughter Catie snapped these shots with her
> iPhone 8 S in 4 minutes and got results that make my best efforts look like
> those of an 8 year old with a Brownie Box Camera.
>
> More lastly yet: I include a photo of the bike that replaced this 2003
> Riv, also taken by Catie which is not as nicely built or finished, but man,
> does it ride better!
>
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[masmojo]

SOMA Saga is a great bike! Excellent Choice.

That VO Poly Low kicker is intriguing; I like the thru Axles & 1.1/8" steer 
tube and its very tempting to sell my Polyvalent & get one of those, 
because I virtually have ALL the spare components I need to build it! 

But, part of the reason I don't ride my Polyvalent much is shortly after 
that I got A Crust Bombora; and I love that bike! (and an Evasion)

The other thing keeping me off the Low kicker is that color: Sage green, 
BLAH!!!  I would have loved to see them do it in a Matte Black with Orange 
accent just like one of the earlier Polys





On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 11:23:19 AM UTC-5, aeroperf wrote:
>
>
> masmojo—
>
> Good looking bike.
> I looked seriously at the 2018 Polyvalent as an adjunct for my Sam.
> It compares as a short Homer, more than anything else, and has some 
> interesting steering specs.
> I finally went with the Soma Saga Disc as a “lower stand-over, shorter 
> chainstay” version of the Sam.
>
> Bikeinsights.com is your friend…
>
>

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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[J Schwartz]

Very nice build 
Is that a 54cm or a 57cm?  Albatross bars? and what are you using for 
shifters there?

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-4, Grady Wright wrote:
>
> Finally built up my Appaloosa! it's as good as I remember it being when I 
> tested one at RivBike.
>

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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When your wheel becomes a rudder, Ryan, you know you're in deep! Looks like 
fun adventure, and we could use some of that rain if you have any left! 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Steve Palincsar]

On 7/12/20 1:22 PM, Joel Stern wrote:

 What do you think of Berthoud vs. Brooks?




I think for me, the Berthoud shapes are better.  Also, the Berthoud 
tension adjustment mechanism is superior.  I like the built-in bag loops 
on the Berthoud much better than the metal ones (if present) on Brooks 
saddles.  Also Berthoud leather is much better than what Brooks is using 
these days.


However, regardless of the convenience of the tension adjuster and the 
built in bag loops, if the shape doesn't fit you as well as Brooks, then 
it's not for you.


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Re: [RBW] Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Dan McNamara]

Hi Joel,

I have both Brooks and Berthoud saddles and prefer the Berthoud for a leather 
saddle. It does appear the Boulder Bikes has a couple of black Mente in stock. 

Another option to look at is Rivet. Their saddles are nice as well and they 
have a “try before you buy” program. 

Dan

San Rafael CA

> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Joel Stern  wrote:
> 
> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as Oi 
> rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old trusty 
> B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then I 
> stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. Looking 
> at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the rest are 
> narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay sellers who 
> sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but closer than 
> not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather which may 
> have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if any members 
> who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   Not sure if 
> this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, +20=110mm.  
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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Joel,

I've ridden (and still ride) Brooks B-17 and Berthoud Mente and Aspin 
saddles.  The widths from widest to narrowest is Mente > B-17 > Aspin.  My 
sit bones are 125mm apart, and which saddle I like best depends on the type 
of riding I do on it.  For touring, the Mente wins.  For general riding I 
like the B-17.  For faster-paced riding I like the Aspin or B-17.  

There's more to it then just width, though.  The shapes differ, with the 
Berthoud being flatter front to back and the B-17 being slightly dippy in 
the middle.  How it feels also depends on how upright you ride.  You really 
need to try them to know, which is always the case with saddles.  The only 
objective comment I'd make is that with sit bones 35mm narrower than mine, 
I'd guess that the Mente would feel too wide for you.   

Dave
Boston/Indy

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Re: [RBW] Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Steve Palincsar]

But do note, Brooks, Rivet and Berthoud saddles all feel very, very 
different from each other.   They may look similar, but the feel is very 
different.


On 7/12/20 4:23 PM, Dan McNamara wrote:

Hi Joel,

I have both Brooks and Berthoud saddles and prefer the Berthoud for a 
leather saddle. It does appear the Boulder Bikes has a couple of black 
Mente in stock.


Another option to look at is Rivet. Their saddles are nice as well and 
they have a “try before you buy” program.




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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[John Philip]

I've tried the lot and like the Berthoud and Rivet saddles best.  The Mente 
however didn't work for me and I gave it away. I suspect I was not upright 
enough.  For a wider upright saddle my favorite is the Rivet Imogene. I 
found it comfortable out of the box.  I got the unslotted allroad model. 

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as 
> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old 
> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then 
> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
> +20=110mm.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

[somervillebikes]

Deacon,

When you say 'try bowing out', I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean 
bending the stay so that it is parallel to the face of the dropout? This is 
essential for proper stay attachment, it reduces all sorts of stress along 
the stay and at the fender.

I did a four-part blog series on metal fender installation. It's a long 
read, but if you wanted to skip most of it you could just take a look at 
part IV, installing the stays.

https://somervillebikes.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/how-to-install-metal-fenders-part-i-achieving-a-proper-arc-radius/

Anton
velolumino.com


On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 2:30:25 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'm puzzling out how to eliminate rattle in the front fender. All fittings 
> are tight. It occurs on jouncy bits, as well as when I take a hand off (to 
> wave, usually). It seems to be lateral motion causing the rear portion of 
> the fender to waggle, briefly rub the tire, and vibrate. Ideas?
>
> The best I've come up with is to try bowing the rear stays, taking up some 
> of the extra slack from the mount point if needed.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> (Stumping picture provided for your amusement)
>
> [image: IMG_1705.jpeg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rene Herse Fender Install for QB

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

"Parallel to the face of the dropout" -- Yes! A much clearly way to put it. 
Thank you, Anton!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 5:05:00 PM UTC-6, somervillebikes wrote:
>
> Deacon,
>
> When you say 'try bowing out', I am not sure what you mean. Do you mean 
> bending the stay so that it is parallel to the face of the dropout? This is 
> essential for proper stay attachment, it reduces all sorts of stress along 
> the stay and at the fender.
>
> I did a four-part blog series on metal fender installation. It's a long 
> read, but if you wanted to skip most of it you could just take a look at 
> part IV, installing the stays.
>
>
> https://somervillebikes.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/how-to-install-metal-fenders-part-i-achieving-a-proper-arc-radius/
>
> Anton
> velolumino.com
>
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 2:30:25 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> I'm puzzling out how to eliminate rattle in the front fender. All 
>> fittings are tight. It occurs on jouncy bits, as well as when I take a hand 
>> off (to wave, usually). It seems to be lateral motion causing the rear 
>> portion of the fender to waggle, briefly rub the tire, and vibrate. Ideas?
>>
>> The best I've come up with is to try bowing the rear stays, taking up 
>> some of the extra slack from the mount point if needed.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>> (Stumping picture provided for your amusement)
>>
>> [image: IMG_1705.jpeg]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Riv ripples in the bike world

[Fullylugged]

While prepping for a FB live class this week on steering, I happened to look up 
the geometry for the 2020 TREK Domane.  Here's the latest and newest 
development in the race world:   
"First and foremost, consider the tire size. The original Domane came with 
25mm-wide tires, but the new Domane has 32mm-wide ones as standard equipment, 
with Trek’s official blessing for tires up to 38mm-wide front and rear. When 
fenders are installed to the neatly hidden mounts, that figure creeps down to a 
still-generous 35mm."  Hmm, sounds an awful lot like the spec for the 2003 
Rambouillet :)  Mine came with 32mm rubber and can take up to 1 1/2" too!.  
That Grant, such a trailblazer!

Tailwinds,

Bruce

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[RBW] Re: Riv ripples in the bike world

[Jim M.]

Mike Sinyard, stealing great ideas since 1981!


On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> While prepping for a FB live class this week on steering, I happened to 
> look up the geometry for the 2020 TREK Domane.  Here's the latest and 
> newest development in the race world:   
> "First and foremost, consider the tire size. The original Domane came with 
> 25mm-wide tires, but the new Domane has 32mm-wide ones as standard 
> equipment, with Trek’s official blessing for tires up to 38mm-wide front 
> and rear. When fenders are installed to the neatly hidden mounts, that 
> figure creeps down to a still-generous 35mm."  Hmm, sounds an awful lot 
> like the spec for the 2003 Rambouillet :)  Mine came with 32mm rubber and 
> can take up to 1 1/2" too!.  That Grant, such a trailblazer! 
>
> Tailwinds, 
>
> Bruce

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[RBW] Re: Redwood Rambouillet Atlantis

[Jack Barnes]

Another spiffy Redwood, NFS:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vintage_bicycles/comments/hn5891/like_new_rivendell_redwood/

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 8:23:12 AM UTC-7, bo richardson wrote:
>
> Kim is pretty tall. Her Rambouillet is a 66 with custom root beer colored 
> paint. Her Brothers Atlantis is a 68 
> and i doubt anyone has ever gotten more pleasure from their first ride on 
> a bike that fits.However Kim doesnt need to warehouse a second tall 
> Rivendell. The Redwood really is functionally new with the new drivetrain 
> and top of the line non moving parts such as bar stem racks etc. It would 
> be a shame for this bike to go back into storage in an already crowded dark 
> garage...I am 5’6 and rode the redwood down to Cafe Velow and it rides like 
> a true Rivendell, i.e. nice.

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[RBW] FS: random cleanout.

[Drw]

Alright 10% off all items. Offers welcome

Bike Friday rear rack- info HERE. Kinda cool, it folds flat for travel, 55lb 
weight limit. it's tall enough to fit on a 26" or 650b bike too. i can measure 
if you are interested. has some weird connectors attached to it that i assume 
are for fenders. lightly used condition.  85$

-Brooks b17 Special- in really good shape, but i seem to be moving away from 
brooks. i think its about 3 years old, but has been off of a bike for the 
majority of that time. It has received obenaufs once or twice a year. i would 
not call it broken in yet. 100$

-IRD Alpina Front Derailleur- 28.6 clamp. for a double or triple. used, but not 
abused. 18$

-Dia Compe Long pull Drop bar levers- these are the only drop v levers that 
dont break like the tektros do. i think these were on a bike at some point, i 
cant remember. very good, almost new condition.  40$

-Chaco Z1-size 10. fit like 10.5, these are the made in usa versions. all 
black. a little dusty, but very good shape otherwise. i wore them on one day 
hike, i think. 40$
-Herschel packable backpack- super lightweight nylon backpack that wads up 
small into its own pocket. olive green and black- 15$

Free items for shipping
-Topeak Explorer rear rack. struts are for a folding bike, so youll either need 
to swap them out or cut these to make them work on a normal bike. in nice 
condition
-Blackburn mini mtn pump. i like the quality of this thing, but it has a head 
that is supposed to work on both types of valves, and its a little finnicky. 
-Pletscher pannier rails
-Microshift FD- braze on 
-Selle Royal saddle

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[RBW] Re: Riv ripples in the bike world

[dougP]

Maybe they had lunch & Grant enlightened him.  Just don't expect friction 
shifting from Specialized any time soon.  

dougP

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> While prepping for a FB live class this week on steering, I happened to 
> look up the geometry for the 2020 TREK Domane.  Here's the latest and 
> newest development in the race world:   
> "First and foremost, consider the tire size. The original Domane came with 
> 25mm-wide tires, but the new Domane has 32mm-wide ones as standard 
> equipment, with Trek’s official blessing for tires up to 38mm-wide front 
> and rear. When fenders are installed to the neatly hidden mounts, that 
> figure creeps down to a still-generous 35mm."  Hmm, sounds an awful lot 
> like the spec for the 2003 Rambouillet :)  Mine came with 32mm rubber and 
> can take up to 1 1/2" too!.  That Grant, such a trailblazer! 
>
> Tailwinds, 
>
> Bruce

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[RBW] WTB: 1” threaded Chris King headset bright color

[Lucky]

Looking for a bright color 1” threaded Chris King headset for my son’s 
Faux-Atlantis build 1990 Stumpjumper all-rounder. Purple, blue or green are our 
top choices. 

E-mail: luckyturnip at gmail dot com

Thank you.

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[RBW] FS: 1 pair of Rat Trap Pass tires & 1 pair of 700x40 Marathon Supreme TLE

[Ian Dickson]

RTP: $100 shipped. These have maybe 50 miles on them -- I found them too 
bouncy on pavement no matter how I set the pressure. In nice shape, no 
flats. 
Marathon Supreme: $100 shipped. These have been mounted but never ridden. 
Tubeless version.

I prefer USPS, but let me know your preferences for shipping. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Riv ripples in the bike world

[Joe Bernard]

Well the bike is a Trek. Although they do all look the same 😁

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1 pair of Rat Trap Pass tires & 1 pair of 700x40 Marathon Supreme TLE

[Ian Dickson]

Rat Trap Pass tires are sold!

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 8:51:12 PM UTC-6, Ian Dickson wrote:
>
> RTP: $100 shipped. These have maybe 50 miles on them -- I found them too 
> bouncy on pavement no matter how I set the pressure. In nice shape, no 
> flats. 
> Marathon Supreme: $100 shipped. These have been mounted but never ridden. 
> Tubeless version.
>
> I prefer USPS, but let me know your preferences for shipping. Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] daily post ur riv

[Grady Wright]

Thanks! It's a 60cm. I'm using the Sycip JJJ Bar and the Silver 2 shifters. 

On Sunday, 12 July 2020 13:41:30 UTC-6, J Schwartz wrote:
>
> Very nice build 
> Is that a 54cm or a 57cm?  Albatross bars? and what are you using for 
> shifters there?
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 12:27:28 PM UTC-4, Grady Wright wrote:
>>
>> Finally built up my Appaloosa! it's as good as I remember it being when I 
>> tested one at RivBike.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv ripples in the bike world

[ted]

I was about to say "great, now there will be more normal reach brakes on 
the market", then I realized it's probably got disk brakes. Oh, and forget 
friction, it's probably built for electric shifting only with no cable 
stops at all.

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> While prepping for a FB live class this week on steering, I happened to 
> look up the geometry for the 2020 TREK Domane.  Here's the latest and 
> newest development in the race world:   
> "First and foremost, consider the tire size. The original Domane came with 
> 25mm-wide tires, but the new Domane has 32mm-wide ones as standard 
> equipment, with Trek’s official blessing for tires up to 38mm-wide front 
> and rear. When fenders are installed to the neatly hidden mounts, that 
> figure creeps down to a still-generous 35mm."  Hmm, sounds an awful lot 
> like the spec for the 2003 Rambouillet :)  Mine came with 32mm rubber and 
> can take up to 1 1/2" too!.  That Grant, such a trailblazer! 
>
> Tailwinds, 
>
> Bruce

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