[RBW] FS: 68 cm Quickbeam $1275

[a spens]

Hi Folks,

I am putting up by much beloved Quickbeam fixie (purchased from one of my 
favorite people on this forum, Ryan H., whom many of you know).  My 
favorite riding Rivendell but selling due to some unfortunate back issues. 
Suited for tall riders ~ 6'3"-6'7". In great shape. The hub is a Sturmey 
Archer SX3 which gives three 3 different fixed gears which you can change 
on the fly.  

$1275

Extras: Rivendell lugged stem, lovely Mavic 177.5 crankset, beautiful canti 
brakes, leather bar tape.  

Link to pics at :   http://columbus.craigslist.org/bop/6186115627.html

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[RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Daniel Jackson]

Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks moving 
to this riding season and why? 

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[RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Philip Kim]

No replacement for me. Mine was to near future stuff in my life not bike-related

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jeff Lesperance]

I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of
my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes
disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add
a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc
brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a
Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked,
if disc brakes were an option.



On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks
> moving to this riding season and why?
>
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[RBW] Swift basket bag

[Carla Waugh]

Thoughts? I'm thinking about getting one.

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[RBW] Swift basket bag

[Broccoli Cog]

I love mine! Well made, perfect match for the Wald 137, easy on and off, can 
add a shoulder strap, nicely designed pockets, made in Seattle by some nice 
people. I highly recommend it.

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Eric Norris]

I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more or less 
a duplicate of another that I ride more often.

I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, 
particularly now that I have one with a little more beausage. As Grant would 
likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me feel freer 
about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road, which has not 
paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance  
> wrote:
> 
> I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of my 
> Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes disc 
> brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add a 
> rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc brakes 
> were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a Romulus. In 
> both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, if disc brakes 
> were an option.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson 
>>  wrote:
>> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks moving 
>> to this riding season and why? 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 68 cm Quickbeam $1275

[a spens]

Forgot to mention, the seat belongs to Ryan and is not included.

Thanks,

Al



On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 6:29:57 AM UTC-4, a spens wrote:
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I am putting up by much beloved Quickbeam fixie (purchased from one of my 
> favorite people on this forum, Ryan H., whom many of you know).  My 
> favorite riding Rivendell but selling due to some unfortunate back issues. 
> Suited for tall riders ~ 6'3"-6'7". In great shape. The hub is a Sturmey 
> Archer SX3 which gives three 3 different fixed gears which you can change 
> on the fly.  
>
> $1275
>
> Extras: Rivendell lugged stem, lovely Mavic 177.5 crankset, beautiful 
> canti brakes, leather bar tape.  
>
> Link to pics at :   http://columbus.craigslist.org/bop/6186115627.html
>

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Addison Wilhite]

I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv
continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc
brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area
Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but
at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day
trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that
direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All
wonderful and fun!

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html



Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

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Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 




On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more or
> less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.
>
> I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often,
> particularly now that I have one with a little more *beausage*. As Grant
> would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me
> feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road,
> which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.
>
> --Eric N
> www.CampyOnly.com
> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance 
> wrote:
>
> I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of
> my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes
> disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add
> a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc
> brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a
> Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked,
> if disc brakes were an option.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson <
> daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks
>> moving to this riding season and why?
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[RBW] Aging and Exercise

[Addison Wilhite]

Given the interest in cycling and aging amongst this group I thought this
story/study might be of interest:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/well/move/the-best-exercise-for-aging-muscles.html?mc=aud_dev&mcid=keywee&mccr=dommob&kwp_0=367955&kwp_4=1372898&kwp_1=605799&referer=http://m.facebook.com

Best,

Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Hunqapillar 48cm (76-83 PBH)

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That is a very classy bike!  



On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:22:46 AM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
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> Pictures:  
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0o52plgjcWPDM
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[drew]

Selling a Sam (and eventually a hunq), but have an order in for a 650b 
Atlantis. More of a minimalizing my life decision. Trying to get down to one 
bike and be satisfied. If I had tons of space, and a slightly better income, 
I'd have one of each riv model. I still think I'm gonna eventually pick up a 
mixte

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[RBW] Swift basket bag

[drew]

Agree. Mine is my most used bag 

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My Toyo Atlantis weighs 30.1 lbs, with a half frame bag, top tube bag, rear 
Nitto medium rack, small Nitto rack up front and a suspension seat post 
with a Selle Anatomica leather saddle. No tools or bottles. My son gave me 
a Sram XX1 single ring drive train which help shed some weight. I also 
bought a XX1 Carbon crankset. 

Build:

XX1 gruppo including crankset
Paul V-brakes
USE carbon fiber suspension seatpost
Dt swiss rear hub 
Son front generator hub
Luxo-U (that I armorized)
Dt swiss rims, 32 spoke
Compass Rat trap tires
Original WTB dirtdrop handlebar
Nitto dirtdrop stem
San Anatomica saddle



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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS: 68 cm Quickbeam $1275

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

That's a sweet bike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 21, 2017, at 9:46 AM, a spens 
mailto:tresbambi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Forgot to mention, the seat belongs to Ryan and is not included.

Thanks,

Al



On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 6:29:57 AM UTC-4, a spens wrote:

Hi Folks,

I am putting up by much beloved Quickbeam fixie (purchased from one of my 
favorite people on this forum, Ryan H., whom many of you know).  My favorite 
riding Rivendell but selling due to some unfortunate back issues. Suited for 
tall riders ~ 6'3"-6'7". In great shape. The hub is a Sturmey Archer SX3 which 
gives three 3 different fixed gears which you can change on the fly.

$1275

Extras: Rivendell lugged stem, lovely Mavic 177.5 crankset, beautiful canti 
brakes, leather bar tape.

Link to pics at :   http://columbus.craigslist.org/bop/6186115627.html

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Love the Allrounder!  What size frame?  Are the wheels 26"?  I don't know 
if I've ever read that all the Riv Allrounders were 26" but I've assumed 
they were.  



On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 9:06:43 AM UTC-5, Addison wrote:
>
> I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv 
> continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc 
> brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area 
> Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but 
> at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day 
> trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that 
> direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All 
> wonderful and fun! 
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris  > wrote:
>
>> I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more 
>> or less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.
>>
>> I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, 
>> particularly now that I have one with a little more *beausage*. As Grant 
>> would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me 
>> feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road, 
>> which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.
>>
>> --Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance > > wrote:
>>
>> I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of 
>> my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes 
>> disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add 
>> a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc 
>> brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a 
>> Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, 
>> if disc brakes were an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks 
>>> moving to this riding season and why? 
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[RBW] Re: Breaking in a leather Brooks

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Lon Haldeman (ultra cycling legend, who, quite likely, has ridden more miles on 
leather saddles than possibly any other human), in his blog in 2011, wrote 
about how to break in a Brooks using the hot water method. He claims to have 
broken in over 300 Brooks saddles this way for riders on his PACTOUR rides. 

http://pactour.blogspot.com

When I first began using Brooks, in 2011, I a lot of pain and difficulty in 
getting them broken in. I used this method twice. The first time it worked 
great and I experienced a lot of relief from the, for me, extreme discomfort of 
the new saddle. In fact, I wouldn't have continued to ride it had I not done 
this. Afterward, the saddle "disappeared" beneath me. The second time I was too 
impatient, and after the initial 10 minute ride while wet, rode the saddle 
later in the day, before it had fully dried, and ruined it (at least for me), 
because it was visibly sagging. I was berated in this group by someone when I 
related my experience. 

I've had 2, maybe 3, new Brooks since then, and didn't use anything but 
Proofide or Obenaufs, and didn't have the issues I had when I first started 
riding them. I guess maybe I was used to them enough by then. So, to sum it all 
up, I think those directions work if followed closely (or perfectly). 

Oh, one other interesting aside, I've had two B17 Standards, and on both, the 
rivet that is furthest left on the rear of the saddle, rubbed a blister on my 
butt. I had to use a Dremel to file it down on the outside edge. Weird. The B17 
Special, with the hammered copper rivets, does not do this to me (and they look 
nicer too) so that is my saddle now.


Peace,
Tim "whose butt probably isn't smooth as a baby's butt but at least it doesn't 
have a blister" Kirch




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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My Toyo Atlantis weight is 30.1 lbs., with no tools or bottles, but with a 
rear Nitto rack, front Nitto M-12 rack, half frame bag, top tube bag and 
kickstand. No fenders. 

Build: 

Sram XX1 single ring gruppo including crankset
Paul V-brakes
Son front hub with beefed up, 'armored' Luxo-U light
WTB original dirt drop handlebars. 
Nitto dirt drop stem
Selle Anatomica leather saddle
USE suspension seatpost
SON front hub
DT swiss rear hub and rims
Custom shifter mount for the mountain bike shifter for use on drop bars

Clayton Bailey
#Dirtdance 

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] Re: FS: 68 cm Quickbeam $1275

[Mattt]

If you are having back problems, I highly recommend checking out recumbents.  
It could be a life changing event for the positive.

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[RBW] Swift basket bag

[johnb]

Agree also! Well made and very nice people in Seattle. Highly recommend. 

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[James Warren]

When Riv started, 26" for All Rounder was THE way to go. It was almost the only way to get good tires with 2" width. So like with the 26" Bridgestone XO's, I always considered the supreme All-Rounders as synonymous with 26" wheels. When Riv started getting more bikes built in the later 90's, they indicated that a large frame like a 63 cm couldn't be made to look good with 26" wheels and wouldn't do it. (The late 90's All-Rounder in large sizes were listed as for 700C wheels, with a statement nearby saying that the tire selection in this wheel size was improving. The very first Riv frame catalogs - pages of Reader #2, for example - had indicated that all AR's would be 26" and I hadn't considered that the largest would change that.) This caused a bit of a stir among us taller people, because we saw Riv as one of our large frame purveyors but in considering an All-Rounder, many of us wanted 26" wheels, because we had grown accustomed to thinking that's where the good wide tires be.Shortly before the Atlantis, 700C x 2" options started to get better and by 2000, things were changing a lot. I got my Atlantis in 2001 with zero qualms about tire width availability. 650B was revived a few years a later.-Original Message-
From: 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
Sent: Jun 21, 2017 8:09 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

Love the Allrounder!  What size frame?  Are the wheels 26"?  I don't know if I've ever read that all the Riv Allrounders were 26" but I've assumed they were.  On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 9:06:43 AM UTC-5, Addison wrote:I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All wonderful and fun! http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.htmlAddison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology “Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”Educator: Professional PortfolioBlogger: Reno Rambler 
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more or less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, particularly now that I have one with a little more beausage. As Grant would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road, which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.--Eric Nwww.CampyOnly.comCampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.comTwitter: @CampyOnlyGuyOn Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance  wrote:I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, if disc brakes were an option.On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson  wrote:Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks moving to this riding season and why? 



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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Deacon Patrick]

I ride my Hunqapillar in all weather and conditions and on steep mountain 
trails, including bikepacking. I have disk brakes that also happen to be 
rim breaks. I stop and slow just fine.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:06:43 AM UTC-6, Addison wrote:
>
> I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv 
> continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc 
> brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area 
> Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but 
> at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day 
> trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that 
> direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All 
> wonderful and fun! 
>
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris  > wrote:
>
>> I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more 
>> or less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.
>>
>> I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, 
>> particularly now that I have one with a little more *beausage*. As Grant 
>> would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me 
>> feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road, 
>> which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.
>>
>> --Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance > > wrote:
>>
>> I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of 
>> my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes 
>> disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add 
>> a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc 
>> brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a 
>> Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, 
>> if disc brakes were an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks 
>>> moving to this riding season and why? 
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[James Warren]

Ditto to all of that. If I streamlined to one bike, this would be it.-Original Message-
From: Deacon Patrick 
Sent: Jun 21, 2017 8:59 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

I ride my Hunqapillar in all weather and conditions and on steep mountain trails, including bikepacking. I have disk brakes that also happen to be rim breaks. I stop and slow just fine.With abandon,PatrickOn Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:06:43 AM UTC-6, Addison wrote:I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All wonderful and fun! http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.htmlAddison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology “Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”Educator: Professional PortfolioBlogger: Reno Rambler 
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more or less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, particularly now that I have one with a little more beausage. As Grant would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes me feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv Road, which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare metal.--Eric Nwww.CampyOnly.comCampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.comTwitter: @CampyOnlyGuyOn Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance  wrote:I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale of my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, if disc brakes were an option.On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson  wrote:Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks moving to this riding season and why? 



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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Garth]

It seems most people who are selling one have multiple Riv and/or other bikes. 
I find 2 bikes to be about right, I can after all only ride one bike no matter 
how many I could possibly own. 


The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do before disc 
brakes ?  Of course we all know the answer.  I do find it rather odd how the 
whole "gravel bike" thing is associated with disc brakes. My oh my. I have 
ridden gravel roads since the 80's and somehow I and others all survived and 
thrived. People will say anything to sell a new product, and that's what the 
parts mfrs. want you to believe disc brakes are a requirement to riding a bike. 
Reminds me of mobile phones and now smartphones, that somehow you cannot exist 
without constantly being tethered to something to keep you occupied. Now I need 
disc brakes they say, or else I am in danger from not controlling this that and 
the other condition, obstacle or circumstance.  Frankly, I need nothing to be 
being, since to be anything I must first and absolutely be being. 

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for that bit of Riv history.   



On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 10:50:21 AM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> When Riv started, 26" for All Rounder was THE way to go. It was almost the 
> only way to get good tires with 2" width. So like with the 26" Bridgestone 
> XO's, I always considered the supreme All-Rounders as synonymous with 26" 
> wheels. When Riv started getting more bikes built in the later 90's, they 
> indicated that a large frame like a 63 cm couldn't be made to look good 
> with 26" wheels and wouldn't do it. (The late 90's All-Rounder in large 
> sizes were listed as for 700C wheels, with a statement nearby saying that 
> the tire selection in this wheel size was improving. The very first Riv 
> frame catalogs - pages of Reader #2, for example - had indicated that all 
> AR's would be 26" and I hadn't considered that the largest would change 
> that.) This caused a bit of a stir among us taller people, because we saw 
> Riv as one of our large frame purveyors but in considering an All-Rounder, 
> many of us wanted 26" wheels, because we had grown accustomed to thinking 
> that's where the good wide tires be.
>
> Shortly before the Atlantis, 700C x 2" options started to get better and 
> by 2000, things were changing a lot. I got my Atlantis in 2001 with zero 
> qualms about tire width availability. 650B was revived a few years a later.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
> Sent: Jun 21, 2017 8:09 AM 
> To: RBW Owners Bunch 
> Subject: Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block 
>
> Love the Allrounder!  What size frame?  Are the wheels 26"?  I don't know 
> if I've ever read that all the Riv Allrounders were 26" but I've assumed 
> they were.  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 9:06:43 AM UTC-5, Addison wrote:
>>
>> I adore my Riv Allrounder and all of things I can do with it.  And Riv 
>> continues to make gorgeous bikes of course.  But I think the lack of disc 
>> brakes hurts them as far as being a practical option, at least in this area 
>> Sierras/Reno with our rocky trails.  I've done years of "underbiking"  but 
>> at this point if I'm going the places I want to go for a sub 24 hour or day 
>> trip, I want the stoppers. Curious if others are migrating in that 
>> direction...anyway, here is my riv in various forms of riding builds.  All 
>> wonderful and fun! 
>>
>>
>> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>>
>> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>>  
>>
>> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>>
>> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>>
>> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:43 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
>>
>>> I still have two Rivs in my stable–I recently sold a bike that was more 
>>> or less a duplicate of another that I ride more often.
>>>
>>> I’ve also started tending toward riding my Alex Singers more often, 
>>> particularly now that I have one with a little more *beausage*. As 
>>> Grant would likely predict, having a bike that’s not quite so perfect makes 
>>> me feel freer about getting it out in the real world. Ditto for my Riv 
>>> Road, which has not paint other than a home-applied clear coat over bare 
>>> metal.
>>>
>>> --Eric N
>>> www.CampyOnly.com
>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Lesperance  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've kept one Riv in the bike stable (my Rosco v2), but my recent sale 
>>> of my Hillborne was in favor of a similar style of bike, but one that takes 
>>> disc brakes, an All-City Space Horse Disc. Previously, when I wanted to add 
>>> a rougher-stuff bike to my bike stable, oversize tires and, again, disc 
>>> brakes were a requirement, and I added a Surly Troll and subtracted a 
>>> Romulus. In both cases a Hillborne/Appaloosa and a Hunq would have worked, 
>>> if disc brakes were an option.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Daniel Jackson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks 
 moving to this riding season and why? 

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jock Dewey]

Good points, Garth. 

One of our heroes (some of us here anyway), Jobst Brandt, likely pedaled 
hundred and hundreds of miles on gravel wearing tubulars and Campy 
modulators rather than brakes...as did thousands of hardy TdF riders BITD. 
But trends do gain momentum, I suppose. 

It seems to me also quite likely the concept of 'gravel bike' was created 
by brilliant bike industry minds looking for ways to sell more stuff. I'd 
probably be concerned if I thought the availability of the disc brakes we 
have been using so capably and safely for 80 or 90 years (much of that on 
gravel for sure) was going away, but clearly it isn't...nor will it anytime 
soon, thankfully, IMHO.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA



On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:34:05 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> It seems most people who are selling one have multiple Riv and/or other 
> bikes. I find 2 bikes to be about right, I can after all only ride one bike 
> no matter how many I could possibly own. 
>
>
> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do before 
> disc brakes ?  Of course we all know the answer.  I do find it rather odd 
> how the whole "gravel bike" thing is associated with disc brakes. My oh 
> my. I have ridden gravel roads since the 80's and somehow I and others 
> all survived and thrived. People will say anything to sell a new product, 
> and that's what the parts mfrs. want you to believe disc brakes are a 
> requirement to riding a bike. Reminds me of mobile phones and now 
> smartphones, that somehow you cannot exist without constantly being 
> tethered to something to keep you occupied. Now I need disc brakes they 
> say, or else I am in danger from not controlling this that and the other 
> condition, obstacle or circumstance.  Frankly, I need nothing to be being, 
> since to be anything I must first and absolutely be being. 
>

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Daniel D.]

I want to say one word to you. Just one word.
Are you listening?
Plastics.

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jeff Lesperance]

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Garth  wrote:
...

> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do before
> disc brakes ?

...
They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly different
width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or
v-brakes.

Arguing that one brake stops better than another in all possible situations
with all possible riders is a not likely an argument worth making,
regardless of the brake that you'd represent.

The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not
previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc
brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right bike
frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra wheelset
or two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[EasyRider]

Can you describe the wheelsets/swapping you do? I have a disc bike, and 
with high-quality tires in the 650b x 40-50mm range, I don't anticipate 
swapping very often, if at all. 

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Garth > 
> wrote:
> ...
>
>> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do 
>> before disc brakes ? 
>
> ...
> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly different 
> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or 
> v-brakes. 
>
> Arguing that one brake stops better than another in all possible 
> situations with all possible riders is a not likely an argument worth 
> making, regardless of the brake that you'd represent. 
>
> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not 
> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc 
> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right bike 
> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra wheelset 
> or two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations. 
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>  
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jim Bronson]

Agree, if that's the only reason for preferring discs, it's a solution
in search of a problem.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:39 PM, EasyRider  wrote:
> Can you describe the wheelsets/swapping you do? I have a disc bike, and with
> high-quality tires in the 650b x 40-50mm range, I don't anticipate swapping
> very often, if at all.
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Garth  wrote:
>> ...
>>>
>>> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do
>>> before disc brakes ?
>>
>> ...
>> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly different
>> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or
>> v-brakes.
>>
>> Arguing that one brake stops better than another in all possible
>> situations with all possible riders is a not likely an argument worth
>> making, regardless of the brake that you'd represent.
>>
>> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not
>> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc
>> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right bike
>> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra wheelset or
>> two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations.
>>
>> -Jeff
>> Silver Spring, MD
>>
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[RBW] Swift basket bag

[Carla Waugh]

Will it fit in the medium Wald basket?

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[iamkeith]

Funny - to me, the abilty to swap wheel sizes has ALWAYS been the best selling 
point of disk brakes, but that might be because im primarily a mountain biker.  
That said, i admittedly swap less than i could, if even at all.  I prefer my 
fat 26" front wheel to the 29er front wheel so much in general, that im willing 
to live with the few disadvantages the rest of the time.  On the other hand, im 
planning to get a second set of 27x3 wheels for my wife's snow bike (to replace 
the 26 x 4.8) for summer use, which will essentially allow it to serve as the 
"regular" mountain bike that she doesn't otherwise have at the moment.

The real selling point for disk brakes now though, is rim availability.  
There's just not enough available in the widths i prefer, and i worry about 
there being even less in the future.  Not unlike the concession to finally use 
700c wheels on the all rounder, i wonder if Riv will eventually be forced to 
use disks on their more off-roady models.

Not saying i prefer disks (i don't ), or that i think that's why there are so 
many used bikes for sale.  ( i dont...  However i DO think that a common desire 
for the ability fit wider tires and rims might have something to do with it.)

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[franklyn]

I haven't owned a riv in 5 years. The last one I had was a Bleriot. I 
really preferred the low-trail front end geometry, and Bleriot was too 
stout and didn't have enough tire clearance. I have 5 bikes, and might trim 
down to 3 or 4 one day. All of them use rim brakes and 650b wheels. 42mm 
tires are the skinniest I ride these days. I have two bikes that will take 
up to 55mm knobs with fenders, so clearly I have bikes to ride quite a 
different varieties of terrains. 

Given all that, the benefit of disc brakes for me is one based not on 
functions per se, but on availability of nice rims. There are less than a 
handful of lightweight and well-made 650b rim-brake rims, whereas the 
selection for 650b/27.5 disc-only rims is huge. Given that I have 5 bikes 
to ride and also have horded several spare rims, market forces aren't 
likely push me to switch to disc brakes any time soon, but it's a nagging 
concern for sure.

Franklyn

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 10:42:04 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Agree, if that's the only reason for preferring discs, it's a solution 
> in search of a problem. 
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:39 PM, EasyRider  > wrote: 
> > Can you describe the wheelsets/swapping you do? I have a disc bike, and 
> with 
> > high-quality tires in the 650b x 40-50mm range, I don't anticipate 
> swapping 
> > very often, if at all. 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Garth  wrote: 
> >> ... 
> >>> 
> >>> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do 
> >>> before disc brakes ? 
> >> 
> >> ... 
> >> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly 
> different 
> >> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or 
> >> v-brakes. 
> >> 
> >> Arguing that one brake stops better than another in all possible 
> >> situations with all possible riders is a not likely an argument worth 
> >> making, regardless of the brake that you'd represent. 
> >> 
> >> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not 
> >> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc 
> >> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right 
> bike 
> >> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra 
> wheelset or 
> >> two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations. 
> >> 
> >> -Jeff 
> >> Silver Spring, MD 
> >> 
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Garth]

 While I understand the surface appeal of swapping out wheels for 
wildly different tires, I wonder though, what about the handling with such 
varying sets ?   For example, I ask myself.. would I want to ride my 
Bomba with really fat tires and road tires ?   No.   And would I want to 
ride really fat tires on my road bike ? No.   I say this because bike 
frames are designed with a certain handling and feel within a relatively 
small range of tire widths. This includes not just the dimensions of the 
frame itself but also the type, shape and gauge of steel. Then you have 
handlebars and how controlling the bike will feel with vastly different 
tires.

   I get "the sell" of a chameleon do-it-all like bike, but myself I don't 
spend alot of time thinking about my bikes when I'm not riding, nor do I 
want to. When I want to ride I just want to ride, the less tinkering the 
better.  Even swapping wheels means I still need another set of wheels, 
same as on another whole bike. I live with 2 different bikes and like that 
I have distinctly different bikes ready to go at-hand.

  For the while minimal-ism thing, would not one bike and one bike alone be 
"minimal" ?  Adding another set of wheels make it minimal +1 . oh well 
. what's a little fudging in a "standard" that cannot be ever be met ? 
Ahahahahaha !  

 
   Different strokes for different folks of course, and so no one can be 
more/less right/wrong than anyone else ! 

  
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On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>
>
> ...
> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly different 
> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or 
> v-brakes. 
>
> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not 
> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc 
> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right bike 
> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra wheelset 
> or two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations. 
>
>
>  
>

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[RBW] WTB: 26" 1" fork

[Ryan Ray]

I know it's a stretch but I'm looking for a replacement fork for my 1989 
Specialized Rock combo. I'm hoping someone might have an extra 26" Riv fork 
around with all the nice Riv mounting points for some strange reason.

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[RBW] Re: Swift basket bag

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Carla,
Yes, the Swift Sugarloaf Basket Bag is designed to fit Wald 137, which is 
the "medium Wald" sold by Riv.


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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Philip Kim]

Good points, I think bikers gotten along just fine with rim brakes before 
disc brakes came along. And I also think that since then, the options for 
the kinds of terrain that can be ridden on a bike have really opened up.

You can easily bike on sand, snow, rock gardens pretty easily. Of course 
some of these routes and terrain have been traversed by rim brakes, but 
aren't we here because the idea of biking comfortably appeals to us? 
Sometimes that comfort can come in disc brakes, whether really wide tires 
dictates, or whether we feel it has predictable stopping power regardless 
of weather / terrain conditions. Sometimes it can come in the form of 
suspension forks. 

I regularly took my canti brake VO Camargue out the local mtb trails which 
are very rooty and rocky, and while it was fun the first couple of times, I 
stopped going as it became less and less so.

My first run-in with disc brakes were about 10 years ago, and I was not 
impressed. However, when I test rode a Crust Evasion with Paul Klampers, I 
was very impressed.

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 2:38:50 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>  While I understand the surface appeal of swapping out wheels for 
> wildly different tires, I wonder though, what about the handling with such 
> varying sets ?   For example, I ask myself.. would I want to ride my 
> Bomba with really fat tires and road tires ?   No.   And would I want to 
> ride really fat tires on my road bike ? No.   I say this because bike 
> frames are designed with a certain handling and feel within a relatively 
> small range of tire widths. This includes not just the dimensions of the 
> frame itself but also the type, shape and gauge of steel. Then you have 
> handlebars and how controlling the bike will feel with vastly different 
> tires.
>
>I get "the sell" of a chameleon do-it-all like bike, but myself I don't 
> spend alot of time thinking about my bikes when I'm not riding, nor do I 
> want to. When I want to ride I just want to ride, the less tinkering the 
> better.  Even swapping wheels means I still need another set of wheels, 
> same as on another whole bike. I live with 2 different bikes and like that 
> I have distinctly different bikes ready to go at-hand.
>
>   For the while minimal-ism thing, would not one bike and one bike alone 
> be "minimal" ?  Adding another set of wheels make it minimal +1 . oh 
> well . what's a little fudging in a "standard" that cannot be ever be met ? 
> Ahahahahaha !  
>
>  
>Different strokes for different folks of course, and so no one can be 
> more/less right/wrong than anyone else ! 
>
>   
> ( this Google groups formatting when trying to compose a message is uh 
> . wonky at best !)
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:
>>
>>
>> ...
>> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly different 
>> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or 
>> v-brakes. 
>>
>> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not 
>> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc 
>> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right bike 
>> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra wheelset 
>> or two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations. 
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/21/2017 02:56 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
Good points, I think bikers gotten along just fine with rim brakes 
before disc brakes came along. And I also think that since then, the 
options for the kinds of terrain that can be ridden on a bike have 
really opened up.


You can easily bike on sand, snow, rock gardens pretty easily. Of 
course some of these routes and terrain have been traversed by rim 
brakes, but aren't we here because the idea of biking comfortably 
appeals to us? Sometimes that comfort can come in disc brakes, whether 
really wide tires dictates, or whether we feel it has predictable 
stopping power regardless of weather / terrain conditions. Sometimes 
it can come in the form of suspension forks.


I regularly took my canti brake VO Camargue out the local mtb trails 
which are very rooty and rocky, and while it was fun the first couple 
of times, I stopped going as it became less and less so.


How will disc brakes make riding a rooty rocky MTB trail more comfortable?

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jim Bronson]

There was a long thread on the 650B group about the continued
availability of rim brake 650B, what with the popularity of "27.5"
disk-specific rims.  I think the final conclusion was "not to worry,
they will remain available".

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 1:28 PM, iamkeith  wrote:
> Funny - to me, the abilty to swap wheel sizes has ALWAYS been the best 
> selling point of disk brakes, but that might be because im primarily a 
> mountain biker.  That said, i admittedly swap less than i could, if even at 
> all.  I prefer my fat 26" front wheel to the 29er front wheel so much in 
> general, that im willing to live with the few disadvantages the rest of the 
> time.  On the other hand, im planning to get a second set of 27x3 wheels for 
> my wife's snow bike (to replace the 26 x 4.8) for summer use, which will 
> essentially allow it to serve as the "regular" mountain bike that she doesn't 
> otherwise have at the moment.
>
> The real selling point for disk brakes now though, is rim availability.  
> There's just not enough available in the widths i prefer, and i worry about 
> there being even less in the future.  Not unlike the concession to finally 
> use 700c wheels on the all rounder, i wonder if Riv will eventually be forced 
> to use disks on their more off-roady models.
>
> Not saying i prefer disks (i don't ), or that i think that's why there are so 
> many used bikes for sale.  ( i dont...  However i DO think that a common 
> desire for the ability fit wider tires and rims might have something to do 
> with it.)
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Max S]

On the topic of rim availability... Has anyone tried using a "disc brake 
rim" that has a reasonable wall profile and thickness with rim brakes?.. (I 
think there are enough folks on this list that don't care too much about 
machined brake tracks that would be fine letting the brake pads and road 
grit take care of that...) 

- Max

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 2:32:05 PM UTC-4, franklyn wrote:
>
> I haven't owned a riv in 5 years. The last one I had was a Bleriot. I 
> really preferred the low-trail front end geometry, and Bleriot was too 
> stout and didn't have enough tire clearance. I have 5 bikes, and might trim 
> down to 3 or 4 one day. All of them use rim brakes and 650b wheels. 42mm 
> tires are the skinniest I ride these days. I have two bikes that will take 
> up to 55mm knobs with fenders, so clearly I have bikes to ride quite a 
> different varieties of terrains. 
>
> Given all that, the benefit of disc brakes for me is one based not on 
> functions per se, but on availability of nice rims. There are less than a 
> handful of lightweight and well-made 650b rim-brake rims, whereas the 
> selection for 650b/27.5 disc-only rims is huge. Given that I have 5 bikes 
> to ride and also have horded several spare rims, market forces aren't 
> likely push me to switch to disc brakes any time soon, but it's a nagging 
> concern for sure.
>
> Franklyn
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 10:42:04 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>
>> Agree, if that's the only reason for preferring discs, it's a solution 
>> in search of a problem. 
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:39 PM, EasyRider  wrote: 
>> > Can you describe the wheelsets/swapping you do? I have a disc bike, and 
>> with 
>> > high-quality tires in the 650b x 40-50mm range, I don't anticipate 
>> swapping 
>> > very often, if at all. 
>> > 
>> > On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 1:17:43 PM UTC-4, Jeff wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Garth  wrote: 
>> >> ... 
>> >>> 
>> >>> The disc brake mentions have me wondering aloud, what did people do 
>> >>> before disc brakes ? 
>> >> 
>> >> ... 
>> >> They didn't swap wheelsets with different diameters and wildly 
>> different 
>> >> width tires in a matter of seconds, or at all, with caliper, canti or 
>> >> v-brakes. 
>> >> 
>> >> Arguing that one brake stops better than another in all possible 
>> >> situations with all possible riders is a not likely an argument worth 
>> >> making, regardless of the brake that you'd represent. 
>> >> 
>> >> The ability to swap wheel sizes and tire widths in ways that was not 
>> >> previously available to me was not my original focus in moving to disc 
>> >> brakes, but, it has become a great feature, when selecting the right 
>> bike 
>> >> frame, to be able to maintain fewer complete bikes with an extra 
>> wheelset or 
>> >> two, to be able to satisfy a wider range of riding situations. 
>> >> 
>> >> -Jeff 
>> >> Silver Spring, MD 
>> >> 
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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[iamkeith]

Brakes dont make it more comfortable but those fat tires and wide rims, which 
aren't available with rim brake compatibility, sure do.

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[iamkeith]

Max, the velocity cliffhanger is exactly what you describe.

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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Ed Carolipio]

Three thoughts:
(a) I read your title as: "So many Rivs on the chopping block ... but none 
in my size." :)
(b) I think summer is peak bike selling season: I get more interest when I 
sell in the summer, and it makes sense that folks want to play with their 
shiny new toys right away.
(c) This thread is starting to go off the rails on the disc brakes thingy

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 3:51:16 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks 
> moving to this riding season and why? 
>

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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[RJM]

I sold all my Rivs...had three at one time. (Roadeo, Sam Hillborne, 
Atlantis) 

What happened to me was getting heavily involved in mountain biking and 
I moved away from commuting by bike. I don't even bike camp anymore, so the 
ability to tote a bunch of stuff on my bike just isn't a selling point for 
me anymore. It really is just a priority change. I could purchase a Riv 
again if they came out with a mountain bike specific frame that wasn't just 
a touring bike built burlier...and I would prefer disc brakes. I know Riv 
doesn't do them, but for what I ride and for how I ride, hydraulic disc 
brakes are far superior to cantis or even v-brakes. But, I could see 
getting a "mountain mixte" custom Rivendell made. There was one in a Riv 
Reader a few years back that I could see duplicating for some of the trails 
I ride. I currently have a full suspension bike (Santa Cruz Hightower)  and 
a rigid steel hardtail (Niner Sir9) set up single speed, both 29ers and 
both ride great for what I'm riding. Lots of smiles on those bikes.

My since sold Sam Hillborne with v-brakes could easily be a competent 
modern day gravel bike. I rode that bike all over on the gravel and cannot 
see much besting it. The Roadeo was a really great road bike; in fact I 
just had someone ask me about it the other day and said how awesome 
it was. Gorgeous bike that rode great. I'm just not much into riding on the 
road anymore...too many people out to kill you with their cars around my 
area which has scared me off the road. I'm not too proud to admit it. 

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> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks 
> moving to this riding season and why? 
>

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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Ryan Fleming]

Amen to that, brother about road riding in general...

 . 
*I'm just not much into riding on the road anymore...too many people out to 
kill you with their cars around my area which has scared me off the road. 
I'm not too proud to admit it*

Which may be a very good reason why gravel road/offroad riding appeals 

And a few people have mentioned age and accident related injuries which 
unfortunately changes how you ride and what works for you back on the topic 
of Rivs on the chopping block

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 3:03:42 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
>
> I sold all my Rivs...had three at one time. (Roadeo, Sam Hillborne, 
> Atlantis) 
>
> What happened to me was getting heavily involved in mountain biking and 
> I moved away from commuting by bike. I don't even bike camp anymore, so the 
> ability to tote a bunch of stuff on my bike just isn't a selling point for 
> me anymore. It really is just a priority change. I could purchase a Riv 
> again if they came out with a mountain bike specific frame that wasn't just 
> a touring bike built burlier...and I would prefer disc brakes. I know Riv 
> doesn't do them, but for what I ride and for how I ride, hydraulic disc 
> brakes are far superior to cantis or even v-brakes. But, I could see 
> getting a "mountain mixte" custom Rivendell made. There was one in a Riv 
> Reader a few years back that I could see duplicating for some of the trails 
> I ride. I currently have a full suspension bike (Santa Cruz Hightower)  and 
> a rigid steel hardtail (Niner Sir9) set up single speed, both 29ers and 
> both ride great for what I'm riding. Lots of smiles on those bikes.
>
> My since sold Sam Hillborne with v-brakes could easily be a competent 
> modern day gravel bike. I rode that bike all over on the gravel and cannot 
> see much besting it. The Roadeo was a really great road bike; in fact I 
> just had someone ask me about it the other day and said how awesome 
> it was. Gorgeous bike that rode great. I'm just not much into riding on the 
> road anymore...too many people out to kill you with their cars around my 
> area which has scared me off the road. I'm not too proud to admit it. 
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 5:51:16 AM UTC-5, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
>> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks 
>> moving to this riding season and why? 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yes, indeed. I second most of the points Garth has made about discs in 
general and about swapping wheels. But, this whole debate over discs, and 
man, if Riv would only make a disc bike, I would buy it in a minute, and 
that's why I sold mine, or whatever--hasn't it already been well-covered? 
Are we adding anything new? I know forums like iBob and RBW do have their 
perennial topics, but I confess I find this one particularly unproductive. 
And there's this:



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So why keep beating this poor old dead horse?  I think we can all agree: 
There are those who would like Rivendell to make a bike with discs. 2.Right 
now, Rivendell does not make disc bikes, and has not announced plans to do 
so. 3. Ergo, technically, disc bike discussions are off topic on this list. 
4. I realize that is a drastic interpretation, but still...can we stifle 
ourselves a bit?

Mark "Remaining Polite But Feeling a Touch Grouchy" in Beacon

P.S. I admire RBW for remaining a No-Disc Zone. But I would still admire 
them if they felt the need to release a disc model. In fact, I sometimes 
wish they would, if only to nullify these thread drifts!;^) .

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 3:49:40 PM UTC-4, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>
> (c) This thread is starting to go off the rails on the disc brakes thingy
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[drew]

Well I sold my Sam today, so that's one less riv for sale.

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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Dan A]

FYI I think the Riv tandem can accept a rear disc brake.

Dan

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Philip Kim]

Yep

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Weight

[John G.]

Steve, is that my old Hunq? I love how you built it up!!!

My 61cm Atlantis is 33.1 lbs with bags and lights and racks.

On Tuesday, June 20, 2017 at 8:29:11 PM UTC-4, Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
> 2000 All Rounder 63 cm.  32.2 lbs 
>
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[RBW] WTB: Sackville Shop sack bag

[Gabriel Salcedo]

Hi all,
I'm looking for a gently used Sackville shop sack in the
Medium size to fit my wife's Wald basket. Please email me if you have one for 
sale. gscicle...@gmail.com

Thanks!
Gabriel

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Hugh Smitham]

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:04:35 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> On 06/21/2017 02:56 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
> > Good points, I think bikers gotten along just fine with rim brakes 
> > before disc brakes came along. And I also think that since then, the 
> > options for the kinds of terrain that can be ridden on a bike have 
> > really opened up.
> >
> > You can easily bike on sand, snow, rock gardens pretty easily. Of 
> > course some of these routes and terrain have been traversed by rim 
> > brakes, but aren't we here because the idea of biking comfortably 
> > appeals to us? Sometimes that comfort can come in disc brakes, whether 
> > really wide tires dictates, or whether we feel it has predictable 
> > stopping power regardless of weather / terrain conditions. Sometimes 
> > it can come in the form of suspension forks.
> >
> > I regularly took my canti brake VO Camargue out the local mtb trails 
> > which are very rooty and rocky, and while it was fun the first couple 
> > of times, I stopped going as it became less and less so.
> 
> How will disc brakes make riding a rooty rocky MTB trail more comfortable?

In my experience, speed modulation on a dime so you don't hit that obstruction 
and become uncomfortable in a thicket.

~hugh

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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Garth]

 
And back to the topic at hand , I look at it as keeping the frames 
circulating. Frames like being ridden , to run wild, like a horse !  
Yee-haw !!!  Let 'em run, let 'em run ! 

 The disc brake thing is relevant here since it may be a reason why some 
Riv's are being sold.  It also just happens to be topic in general these 
days among all cyclists. 

 

 If find this group to be the least contentious of the many I have seen and 
participated in. Quite respectable, even in dis-agreements. I always ask 
myself," would I want to speak to myself in this manner ?" , because in 
every sense I am .  

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Re: [RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Jeff Lesperance]

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Garth  wrote:

>
> And back to the topic at hand , I look at it as keeping the frames
> circulating. Frames like being ridden , to run wild, like a horse !
> Yee-haw !!!  Let 'em run, let 'em run !
>

I like this idea a lot, and have been practicing something along this line
via a phrase that I borrowed from fellow list member Marty (G?) whom I met
up with in-real-life to purchase a Handsome XOXO frameset - to whom I swore
that the bike in question ought to be something akin to a semi-holy-grail
bike to which he responded in kind with something to the effect that he
"practices catch and release with even the best of bikes"

I was already in possession of a Sam Hillborne at the time, that I swore
was "the best bike I'll ever own" and went on to add an A Homer Hilsen and
Romulus along his side. At the rate that I had been acquiring bikes, always
out of want vs. need, I came to an agreement with myself that I had to trim
the collection to a reasonable number and that I would not keep any bikes
that I can't or won't ride regularly. I categorized all of the riding that
I prefer to do and figured out how many bikes ought to be able to satisfy
that range of riding, comfortably, and settled on 5 bikes to do the job. So
I set out to "release" some of the "caught" bikes and identify the bikes
that satisfied a riding category but could be improved upon, and I set out
in the next phase to release those bikes.

When I acquired my Rivendells, they were all holy grail bikes for me. I
established an emotional bond with all of them. I was comforted in
releasing them with the thought that their next owner may establish the
same bond with them, and hopefully ride them as much or more than I did. It
just so happens that one of my riding needs is well satisfied by a Rosco
v2, and "I'll never get rid of it as it's not only great, it's one of only
a dozen or so..." - time will tell the truth.

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[RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Joe Bernard]

I sold my Appaloosa partially to cover a big bill, and partially because I 
mostly ride ebikes now. As Garth referenced, I feel rather strongly that Rivs 
should be ridden so I moved it along to a nice lady who would ride it. Will I 
have another Riv eventually? Probably!

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Clayton.sf]

Adding my $0.02

I like discs for mud and for "real" MTB applications:
- For mud because that is when rims get more chewed up by rim brakes,
- For MTB applications because it allows me more easily to run WIDE rims 
with big fat tires. 

For Stopping in dirt situation I have generally found caliper brakes to be 
perfectly adequate. I break traction way before I reach maximum braking 
power anyway. 

For general riding (road, commuting, country riding, fire roads, touring) I 
much prefer traditional rim brakes (cantis, sidep, centerp, etc) for 
numerous reasons:
- Needs less overbuild in frame and fork = more compliant
- Easy to SEE how much pad life is left since they are out in the open
- Work well with quick releases since the forces are less. For good disc 
braking experience through axle is the the only way to go unless you resort 
to RWS skewers IMO
- More margin betw. rim and brake to adjust for rub. Disc brakes usually 
have much tighter clearances and make it a much more fiddly affair to get 
rid of rub (applies mostly to hydros)
- Typically lighter weight
- Less wheel dish for the same hub width
- Pads tend to last longer
- No fade (although new ice tec rotors fade negligibly) 

Of my 4 bicycles only the Jones Plus has discs and for that bike they are 
perfect. For my Boulder, Cheviot, and Bob Jackson I am much happier with 
rim brakes.

That being said, the selection of quality rims and 135mm rear hubs for rim 
brakes is not growing. There is still a good amount left and no need for 
panic, but it is noticeable.

Wheel size swapping is nice to have I guess but not a big selling point for 
me. I would rather ride the "right" size for a given frame.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA






On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 3:37:35 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 12:04:35 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> > On 06/21/2017 02:56 PM, Philip Kim wrote:
> > > Good points, I think bikers gotten along just fine with rim brakes 
> > > before disc brakes came along. And I also think that since then, the 
> > > options for the kinds of terrain that can be ridden on a bike have 
> > > really opened up.
> > >
> > > You can easily bike on sand, snow, rock gardens pretty easily. Of 
> > > course some of these routes and terrain have been traversed by rim 
> > > brakes, but aren't we here because the idea of biking comfortably 
> > > appeals to us? Sometimes that comfort can come in disc brakes, whether 
> > > really wide tires dictates, or whether we feel it has predictable 
> > > stopping power regardless of weather / terrain conditions. Sometimes 
> > > it can come in the form of suspension forks.
> > >
> > > I regularly took my canti brake VO Camargue out the local mtb trails 
> > > which are very rooty and rocky, and while it was fun the first couple 
> > > of times, I stopped going as it became less and less so.
> > 
> > How will disc brakes make riding a rooty rocky MTB trail more 
> comfortable?
>
> In my experience, speed modulation on a dime so you don't hit that 
> obstruction and become uncomfortable in a thicket.
>
> ~hugh
>
>

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[RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Mike, that's my CLEM that I put a rather primitive and heavy e-kit on last 
year. It looks like you're using a Bafang mid-drive which is much better and 
lighter (I have a BBS02 on a folding bike). I highly recommend swapping to a 
CLEM: it's a stout frame and the long wheelbase (with fat tires) makes for a 
very stable ride at the speeds you're doing. Enjoy!

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[RBW] 58cm Atlantis for sale $1,100

[Forrest Meyer]

Any detailed photos of the frame available? 

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Re: [RBW] So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Belopsky]

Gravel bike

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVn0L7rDCX7/?taken-by=belopsky

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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It's relevant to this post if it is the reason someone sold their Riv. In 
my opinion it was veering beyond that. And there are lots of "general 
topic" bike forums. And I am not saying anyone, myself included, is being 
disrespectful--just agreeing with Ed that the the thread was drifting. And 
yes, I know the Hubbub can take a rear disc, thanks. I still feel 
comfortable classifying  Rivendell as a bicycle company that does not do 
disc brakes. And sure, I'm being a (good-natured, I promise) crosspatch.  
And apparently I am in the minority as well. Carry on! I shall let go of my 
little pet peeve and bow out of the DISCussion...

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 6:38:56 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
>
>  The disc brake thing is relevant here since it may be a reason why some 
> Riv's are being sold.  It also just happens to be topic in general these 
> days among all cyclists.
>
>  If find this group to be the least contentious of the many I have seen 
> and participated in. Quite respectable, even in dis-agreements. I always 
> ask myself," would I want to speak to myself in this manner ?" , because in 
> every sense I am .  
>

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[RBW] WTB: XL MUSA Knickers with the velcro ankle straps

[Shawn Granton]

Hello fine folks, I figured I'd throw this out there.

I have had a pair of the MUSA Knickers with the velcro straps at the ankle 
for a few years. I love them, and have gotten them repaired a few times. 
Now they need more repairs and I'd like to see if there may be a 
replacement pair out there before I sink a bunch more money into keeping 
this pair going. I've had the newer knickers with the different belt and 
the "buckle" style ankle closure, and just never liked them as much.

So if you have a pair of the velcro XL MUSA knickers in decent shape and 
are willing to part with them, please get in touch! Not super picky about 
the colors, either.

yours,
Shawn in PDX

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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Stuart Lovinggood]

Someone on the list recently was talking about pricing, with respect to the 
fact that Riv has been in business for many years now and produced many 
bikes, increasing the supply and somewhat regulating resale prices. I think 
the same increase in supply could be a big factor in this apparent uptick 
in FS bikes. It's pretty common for avid cyclists to sell and buy new bikes 
at a regular interval, and although Rivs are nice there's always that shiny 
new thing just out of reach. 

Also disc brakes are the literal worst

JUST KIDDING

But seriously I've had terrible luck with discs and won't go back until 
there are drastic overhauls of available mechanical disc systems (if that 
ever happens). 

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 5:51:16 AM UTC-5, Daniel Jackson wrote:
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> Why so many great Rivs for sale on the list recently? What are folks 
> moving to this riding season and why? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Patrick Moore]

I see no sin in saying on this list that one would like a Rivendell with
disc brakes, as long as one doesn't become tiresome about it and as long as
one asserts this thought simply as one's preference. I'd like a Hunq with
disc brakes.

Riv eventually accepted tig welding, despite early promises that it would
never do so. Discs: maybe one day?

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 3:10 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Yes, indeed. I second most of the points Garth has made about discs in
> general and about swapping wheels. But, this whole debate over discs, and
> man, if Riv would only make a disc bike, I would buy it in a minute, and
> that's why I sold mine, or whatever--hasn't it already been well-covered?
> Are we adding anything new? I know forums like iBob and RBW do have their
> perennial topics, but I confess I find this one particularly unproductive.
> And there's this:
>
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> So why keep beating this poor old dead horse?  I think we can all agree:
> There are those who would like Rivendell to make a bike with discs. 2.Right
> now, Rivendell does not make disc bikes, and has not announced plans to do
> so. 3. Ergo, technically, disc bike discussions are off topic on this list.
> 4. I realize that is a drastic interpretation, but still...can we stifle
> ourselves a bit?
>
> Mark "Remaining Polite But Feeling a Touch Grouchy" in Beacon
>
> P.S. I admire RBW for remaining a No-Disc Zone. But I would still admire
> them if they felt the need to release a disc model. In fact, I sometimes
> wish they would, if only to nullify these thread drifts!;^) .
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 3:49:40 PM UTC-4, Ed Carolipio wrote:
>>
>>
>> (c) This thread is starting to go off the rails on the disc brakes thingy
>>
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[RBW] Discs versus calipers

[Patrick Moore]

I'm putting this in a new thread, because I have some questions. Note: I'm
not disagreeing, I'm asking because I want to know more.

Clayton said, in the Rivs On Block thread:

*- More margin betw. rim and brake to adjust for rub. Disc brakes usually
have much tighter clearances and make it a much more fiddly affair to get
rid of rub (applies mostly to hydros)*
*- Typically lighter weight*
*[...]*
*- Pads tend to last longer*

#1: I agree that this is very true for mechanical discs, but for
hydraulics? I thought that pads for hydraulics allowed more gap than those
for mechanicals, at least once-sided-pull mechanicals. For me, this isn't
merely academic; it may influence my choice of mechanicals over hydraulics
one day.

#2: Yes, calipers are lighter, but then disc-specific rims can be much
lighter than rim brake rims, at least in the wider sizes.

#3: I've read that this is true; I've also read the opposite (recently, in
a review of some disc setup -- Bike Radar? Which one is true?

I do know that my Kool Stop salmons seem to last years if not decades.

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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Orc]

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 2:10:24 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
 

> So why keep beating this poor old dead horse?  I think we can all agree: 
> There are those who would like Rivendell to make a bike with discs. 2.Right 
> now, Rivendell does not make disc bikes, and has not announced plans to do 
> so. 3. Ergo, technically, disc bike discussions are off topic on this list. 
>

It's unfortunate that Riv frames are pretty expensive, because it would not 
be all that difficult to modify one to take disc brakes.   The fork would 
be the stumbling point, because even though Riv forks are pretty stout 
you'd still need to braze/weld a rib along the back of the caliper blade 
and that takes it from an easy afternoon project to a couple of days of 
cutting & fitting so that the rib will actually work and not end up peeling 
loose to be shortly followed by the blade jackknifing over the remains.

-david parsons 

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Re: [RBW] 58cm Atlantis for sale $1,100

[Mark Reimer]

Anything specific in mind? There are a bunch here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/theworldisours/albums/72157644514166933


> On Jun 21, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Forrest Meyer  wrote:
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> Any detailed photos of the frame available? 
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[RBW] Re: So many Rivs on the chopping block

[Austin ^]

When I first got (back) into riding a number of years ago the sam hillborne was 
pretty much my dream bike. I rode several bikes, enjoyed them, saved my money 
and eventually got my sam. A couple of years passed and riv released the 
cheviot, and I acquired one. After some time on both bikes I started to feel 
like they were functionally too similar, despite my enjoyment of both I knew I 
wanted something with a little more teeth but still rivvish, as my perspective 
hadn't changed that much. I sold the cheviot to fund a romanceur, 
philisophically in the same department but with a few changes. I feel like it's 
the best of both worlds, I can take out a low trail fatter tire disc brake romo 
with sporty components or I can bring out my fendered, rim brake, triple front 
derailer, fully racked hillborne depending on what my ride is going to look 
like, and either way I'm picking a fully lugged steel workhorse that I know I 
can depend on no matter what. The crust takes hundred mile days of mixed 
pavement, flooded gravel, and singletrack without blinking. The riv drinks up 
road miles whether they be back country blacktop or fire roads in the mountains 
for days and days. But both are different enough that I don't feel like I have 
redundancy and I'm glad I have the variety, but they're both really similar 
bikes at their cores. I can definitely see if someone has many rivs and wants 
even greater variety, decisions have to be made. We're in a really good time 
for bikes right now, there has even been talk we're orbiting into another 
golden age, and variety is the spice. 

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[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

[Ed Carolipio]

As with others, I definitely like discs for muddy riding or lots of stream 
crossings, mostly for avoiding the sandpaper effect with wet, dirty pads 
and the no-brainer braking consistency after the rim gets doused.

Also, as with others, I've found setup to be finicky, pad wear to be meh, 
and it's hard to tell how low the pads are. There's also disc brake rub - 
just noise, not real friction - which provides a pinging soundtrack to your 
ride and tends to come and go, and come and go, and come and go...

Hydraulics are butter, but need to be bled periodically, and, please, just 
replace the innards if you think there's a leak somewhere. I maintain my 
own bikes and am now in the "ride more, wrench less" stage of my life so 
I've moved away from the MTB braking heaven that is hydraulics.

I found discs to be overkill in my road applications. I've heard on a fully 
loaded touring rig it could make a difference, but I don't have first hand 
knowledge.

I like plus sized tires for singletrack while some folks like fatties 
(>3.5" wide), and those tires may not work with a rim brake. I would not be 
surprised, though, if some crazy fool is using a set of 26 x 4.8 Surly 
Lou's with cantis and extra long straddle wires. Bike geeks are awesome.

Finally, since this is a Riv board, a disc option Riv custom 650b with 
Hunq-y lugs that can take a 3" (or even 2.5") wide tire would put my bank 
account and marriage in serious jeopardy.


--Ed C.


On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:09:11 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm putting this in a new thread, because I have some questions. Note: I'm 
> not disagreeing, I'm asking because I want to know more. 
>
> Clayton said, in the Rivs On Block thread:
>
> *- More margin betw. rim and brake to adjust for rub. Disc brakes usually 
> have much tighter clearances and make it a much more fiddly affair to get 
> rid of rub (applies mostly to hydros)*
> *- Typically lighter weight*
> *[...]*
> *- Pads tend to last longer*
>
> #1: I agree that this is very true for mechanical discs, but for 
> hydraulics? I thought that pads for hydraulics allowed more gap than those 
> for mechanicals, at least once-sided-pull mechanicals. For me, this isn't 
> merely academic; it may influence my choice of mechanicals over hydraulics 
> one day.
>
> #2: Yes, calipers are lighter, but then disc-specific rims can be much 
> lighter than rim brake rims, at least in the wider sizes.
>
> #3: I've read that this is true; I've also read the opposite (recently, in 
> a review of some disc setup -- Bike Radar? Which one is true?
>
> I do know that my Kool Stop salmons seem to last years if not decades.
>
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[RBW] WTB: Silver Paul Funky Monkey Cable Stop

[Andrew Letton]

Well, I missed the one that Michael listed recently on iBOB, so I thought I'd 
put it out there...


Anyone have a Silver Paul Funky Monkey Cable Stop (front) that they'd like to 
move on?I'd prefer the 7/8" one (to clamp to quill stem), but I would consider 
the 1" size as well.thanks!Andrew

   

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[RBW] Nitto campee 26vs650bvs700c

[drew]

Anyone know the difference in height from dropout hole to underside of platform 
on the nitto campee rear. The one with removable lowriders. Or I guess if 
anyone has a 650b version or  26in version, could you let me know.  I have a 
700c and it's 35cm.

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