[RBW] Re: MUSA clothing for sale

[Steve Butcher]

Bump.  Pants still on offer.  Will reduce price to $50.00 shipped CONUS.  

On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 6:56:50 PM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> The shorts have also sold, so all that remains is the pants.
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:19:40 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> I've some MUSA clothing I'm not using so would like to make a little room 
>> in the closet.  Offering one pair MUSA pants size L grey with navy gusset, 
>> one pair knickers size L dark brown with navy gusset, and one pair shorts 
>> size L grey with navy gusset.  The pants and knickers have the Velcro leg 
>> closures.   All are undamaged in like new condition.  I'd like $60.00 each 
>> for the pants and knickers and $50.00 for the shorts.  Buy all three and 
>> I'll pay shipping CONUS.  I can send text photos if needed.  Please send me 
>> a PM if you've any questions.  Thanks, Steve.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Official Roadini Information

['Mark Etze' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was hoping for a larger size than the 62cm, especially since it being 
made from stouter tube than the Rodeo.

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[RBW] Re: Official Roadini Information

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was hoping that it would be closer to the Rodeo than my Soma San Marcos, 
but Grant thinks that it would duplicate it without the lugs and double top 
tube. I'm still looking forward to seeing the Roadini, I just won't buy one.

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[RBW] Re: Rivet Pearl or C17 Carved

['Tony McG' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Rivit Pearl looks intriguing, but I have had too many issues with 
leather saddles stretching after 100+ sweaty miles. I have been replacing 
my Selle Anatomica Titantico X with Cambium C17 Carved, but it gets 
expensive. My Cambium shows no sign of the cracking/splitting that I have 
seen on the internet, and the cover material is holding up very well.

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

[ascpgh]

Maybe the CFRP frame engineers need to have a chat with the fork engineers. 

How unforeseen is that force on a dual-sus trail bike? The fork won. The 
frame brand (and material, surprisingly) is the goat of that video the wake 
it's leaving, judging by the comments.

I saw a similar force input in a  bad landing of a steel MTB, bending the 
fork legs forward. Neither the upper nor lower head tube seats of the '86 
RockHopper's frame ovalized to caliper dimensions, no uneven material 
produced when faced and reamed with the Campy head tube mill. 

It was mine and I had attempted to bunny hop a creek rut in a fairly flat, 
grassy area and instead of clearing it fully, my back wheel caught the far 
side lip and slammed the front wheel down producing a similar force as that 
video. Only fail I ever carried home. Lesson learned. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 12:25:21 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I don't think he could have ridden a steel bike home from that landing, 
> either
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 11:18:02 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> You may have seen this already, but just a reminder: 
>> https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[R Shannon]

Clayton, bravo to you! And a passionate case for the venerable Atlantis.

Regards,
Richard

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> On Mar 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Reid, 
> 
> BecauseIt's an Atlantis. If Grant quit selling the perfect bike, I would 
> have such an anxiety attack, that it would be fatal. (He can't kill meHe 
> has a conscience.)  He can't quit selling them either, it would be like an 
> ice cream store that didn't serve Rocky Road, or a pretty girl who refuses to 
> smile, or a springtime without flowers.  Rivendell just wouldn't be Rivendell 
> without the Atlantis. I bought mine in '98-ish (Toyo) and have ridden it 
> almost daily ever since (except downtime from surgeries and ALL THIS FRICKING 
> SNOW) . It is just one of those things that happens I have had three back 
> surgeries, (12 total) and my Atlantis is more comfortable than my old Easy 
> Racer recumbent... True story... 
> 
> Clayton (Bendite)
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 8:07:18 PM UTC-8, Reid wrote:
>> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make 
>> the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than the 
>> Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
>> Atlantis?
>> 
>> Reid
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

[Ron Mc]

he was going faster than free fall and landed on the front of the bottom 
bracket shell splitting the fork out forward - no bike is designed for 
this.  Steel would bend instead of break, but it still wouldn't ride home.  

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 6:23:03 AM UTC-6, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Maybe the CFRP frame engineers need to have a chat with the fork 
> engineers. 
>
> How unforeseen is that force on a dual-sus trail bike? The fork won. The 
> frame brand (and material, surprisingly) is the goat of that video the wake 
> it's leaving, judging by the comments.
>
> I saw a similar force input in a  bad landing of a steel MTB, bending the 
> fork legs forward. Neither the upper nor lower head tube seats of the '86 
> RockHopper's frame ovalized to caliper dimensions, no uneven material 
> produced when faced and reamed with the Campy head tube mill. 
>
> It was mine and I had attempted to bunny hop a creek rut in a fairly flat, 
> grassy area and instead of clearing it fully, my back wheel caught the far 
> side lip and slammed the front wheel down producing a similar force as that 
> video. Only fail I ever carried home. Lesson learned. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 12:25:21 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I don't think he could have ridden a steel bike home from that landing, 
>> either
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 11:18:02 AM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You may have seen this already, but just a reminder: 
>>> https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Official Roadini Information

[John G.]

I'm excited for the Roadini, but also nervous about sizes. My PBH is 89.5, 
and I'm worried the 58 will be too small and the 62 too big. Maybe it's a 
sign that I should just get a Roadeo...


On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 6:35:57 AM UTC-5, Tony McG wrote:
>
> I was hoping that it would be closer to the Rodeo than my Soma San Marcos, 
> but Grant thinks that it would duplicate it without the lugs and double top 
> tube. I'm still looking forward to seeing the Roadini, I just won't buy one.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne complete

[Daniel Betancourt]

Nice looking bike Will. I'm sure it will sell very quickly. If I had seen 
this back in December before buying my Black & Cream Sam, I would have made 
you an offer.

Dan

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 2:57:29 PM UTC-5, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> Hey Folks, 
>
> Let's try this again. I've now sold some luggage bits and what you see is 
> what you get, except for the saddle. 62cm Sam Hillborne in the beautiful 
> black and cream colorway. This is pretty much a standard Riv build aside 
> from the following;
>
> -Nitto Campee (27f)
> -58cm Bosco bars
> -VP Vice pedals
> -Soma Cazadero rubber (lot of life)
> -King Cage bottle cages
> -Zefal pump
> -Pletcher two legged kickstand
>
> I think that covers it. I'm asking $2000. The bike will be packed and 
> shipped from LBS, unless you're in California and we can meet in person. We 
> can work out a shipping included deal depending on where you live.
>
> Will Ashe
> Santa Monica
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Squeaky tire?

[Tim Gavin]

Is it your fender flexing and momentarily rubbing the sidewall of the
tire?  The Compass tires have a very fine tread that can make funny noises
when something rubs it.

This seems especially likely if you have SKS Chromoplastic fenders.  I've
experienced the front fender shimmying side to side after bumps on every
SKS-fendered bike I've ridden.  P65's seem the flexiest, exacerbated by the
fat tires underneath.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:31 PM, sameness  wrote:

> Valve stem not seated or a bit crooked? Take a look at the fork
> dropout/hub/QR interface area? Puzzler.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
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[RBW] Re: Official Roadini Information

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John, my PBH is 89.2 and Grant put me on a 61.5cm custom road. I have since 
bought a 62cm Legolas. All else being equal, I think the 62 would be your size. 
I can send you pics if you want to see the proportions.

Joe in GJT

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Re: [RBW] Re: Official Roadini Information

[James Warren]

I'm guessing a 62 cm Roadini would not fit like a 62 cm Legolas or Custom. Both 
of those latter bikes have a roughly 2 degree upslope of the TT. The brochure 
says the Roadini will have the greater TT upslope, saying "a few more degrees." 
It also says one's Roadeo size minus 2 or 3 cm would estimate one's Roadini 
size because of this.

Also, I have experience with this: 64 or 65 is my size for my non-expanded Rivs 
like Atlantis or AHH or Ram. But on the expanded-geometry, 6-degree-upslope 
Hillborne I ride a LOT, the 62 size fits me well, and maybe is just a tiny bit 
on the big side in a great way. My PBH is 93.

Geometrically, every extra degree of TT upslope adds a out one centimeter of 
hight to the place where the TT intersects the head tube.

John, I'm not saying a 62 won't fit, but I would trust the brochure where it 
says your 89.5 PBH puts you at the lower end of the range that fits that size. 
A 62 in a Roadeo, Custom, or Legolas would be a different story (if 62 Roadeos 
existed).

-Jim W.


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> On Mar 8, 2017, at 6:16 AM, "'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch" 
>  wrote:
> 
> John, my PBH is 89.2 and Grant put me on a 61.5cm custom road. I have since 
> bought a 62cm Legolas. All else being equal, I think the 62 would be your 
> size. I can send you pics if you want to see the proportions.
> 
> Joe in GJT
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[RBW] Re: FS: Various Shimano goodies - Dura Ace 7400, 600 Tri-color, and more

[Mike K.]

The Phil bb is sold. Thanks, all! Feel free to make an offer on anything. 
Will definitely discount if you want a few things. 

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 10:21:48 PM UTC-6, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Now featuring Phil Wood!
>
> One more thing to add to the For Sale category.
>
> I have 123mm of smooth-spinning goodness, with thread rings and loctite, 
> plus the install tool.
>
> Spins like the day it was made. Drive side mounting ring is pressed onto 
> the bb and I don't see a reason to pry it off. I bought it that way and 
> didn't have any trouble with it.
>
> Asking $90 shipped CONUS priority mail
>
> Queue the pictures: https://flic.kr/s/aHskVwBbib
>
> Thanks,
> Mike in ATX
>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:08:40 PM UTC-6, Mike K. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Link to pictures: https://flic.kr/s/aHskQkkDij
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Various Shimano goodies - Dura Ace 7400, 600 Tri-color, and more

[Mike K.]

The Phil bb is sold.
The Dura Ace crank is claimed.

Thanks, all! Feel free to make an offer on anything. Will definitely 
discount if you want a few things.

On Monday, March 6, 2017 at 9:08:40 PM UTC-6, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Some random parts I've collected the last few years that I need to get rid 
> of to help finance the Ram build. All prices include shipping CONUS.
>
> Dura Ace FC-7402 - 172.5 arms, 53/42 rings. The 53 is pretty rugged (a few 
> chipped teeth etc, would definitely recommend getting a replacement) but 
> the 42 is looking good. - $80 OBO
> - Overall in good shape. Logos are crisp. Some shoe rub on the drive arm. 
> Includes Dura Ace dust caps.
>
> Shimano 600 Tri-color (6400 group), all in good shape
> 2 Rear Derailleurs - $30 each
> 1 set of shift levers - $30
> 1 rear brake (rear only!) - $15
>
> Shimano Z Derailleurs - served me well for years on my commuter. Simple 
> friction set up. - $20 for the set
> - Rear derailleur is long cage.
> - Have run the Front Derailleur on a double crank and triple crank.
>
> Braze-on Campagnolo Front Derailleur - I think it's NR, but honestly not 
> sure. Feel free to make an offer if you know which it is and are 
> interested. Came off a damaged Medici frame.
>
> Link to pictures: https://flic.kr/s/aHskQkkDij
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[RBW] Sam Frame on Ebay (need advice)

[Antone Könst]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-2011-Sam-Hillborne-60cm-Frameset-Green-Brakes-Seatpost-/252749473859

This has been up for a long time now - seems expensive considering 6 years 
12,000 miles and headset/bb not installed, lots of chips...am I wrong to 
not pull the trigger? (looking for 58 Sam used) 
Also it's 60cm, is that just an old size? Assuming it's 60 relative to the 
current 58 and 62 (as in, between the two), and not a different sizing 
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[RBW] Sam Frame on Ebay (need advice)

[Bill Lindsay]

They used to come in a 60. The size progression was changed to allow fewer 
sizes.  I have a 56 from back then. The price seems about $200 too high to me.  
If I wanted a 58 Sam, I would choose a new 58 over that 60 at $900US. A new 
frameset would come with headset bb and seatpost and you'd get a bunch of 
Rivdollars. 

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[RBW] Re: Sam Frame on Ebay (need advice)

[Brad]

I agree with Bill. You aren't saving enough over a new Sam frame from Riv 
that comes with headset and bottom bracket installed.
But I love the hand-drawn exploded diagram of the headset on the 
ebay listing. That's worth something, right?

Brad
Queens

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 11:37:52 AM UTC-5, Antone Könst wrote:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-2011-Sam-Hillborne-60cm-Frameset-Green-Brakes-Seatpost-/252749473859
>
> This has been up for a long time now - seems expensive considering 6 years 
> 12,000 miles and headset/bb not installed, lots of chips...am I wrong to 
> not pull the trigger? (looking for 58 Sam used) 
> Also it's 60cm, is that just an old size? Assuming it's 60 relative to the 
> current 58 and 62 (as in, between the two), and not a different sizing 
> approach from 2011. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Feb 24th Century Ride on the Sam Hillborne

[Daniel Betancourt]

I finished my first Century ride after around 2 months of preparation. I'm 
including a few pics of the ride below. I took the day off of work as I 
wanted to get the ride in before our trip to New Orleans the following day. 

The weather was nice that morning as there was no rain, it wasn't cold, and 
the winds laid down for the most part. I got out of the house just before 6 
am and decided to hit the bike trail outside of our neighborhood that I've 
been preparing on. I'm fortunate that the trail goes 40 miles in one 
direction, so I would finish 80% of the ride just by completing one loop. 
The ride was uneventful until I got 70 miles in. I ended up with a nasty 
upper leg cramp that forced me to take a break for about 30 minutes and I 
had to stop periodically the last 30 miles which killed my expected average 
speed. I'm not complaining as I was just happy to finish the ride in one 
piece.  :)

I did get a kick out of seeing the artwork on a section of the trail on the 
back of a large section of fences facing the trail. There are some talented 
people out there that put some serious time in. The last pic below is a 
trail that leads to a stream under a bridge that I've seen kids playing in 
the past. They have some rope tied to a tree where they swing into the 
water, but as the water levels are low right now I can't imagine it's 
getting much use.

This is my longest ride and prior to purchasing this bike, my longest ride 
was just over 60 miles. Overall I was happy with how the bike performed. 
I'm still getting used to this leather seat and that along with the leg 
cramp caused me the most discomfort at the later part of the ride, but to 
be fair I remember feeling the same way on my 60-mile ride I took about 7 
years ago on my road bike with a gel seat. One nice thing I lacked on this 
ride was number wrists/hands. That has for the most part gone away and was 
always an issue when riding my road bike.

Dan






























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[RBW] Re: Feb 24th Century Ride on the Sam Hillborne

[Bob Lovejoy]

Well done... congratulations!

And your ride goes well with the distance via upright bars versus drops 
discussion in another thread.  There is absolutely no right or wrong answer 
on that one but it is good to see proof positive that upright bars are not 
an obstacle.  Great looking bike too!

Again, good work and thanks for sharing the ride...

Bob 

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[RBW] Re: Sam Frame on Ebay (need advice)

[Minh]

i wont comment on pricing, but make sure you look up the old sizing and 
compare to the current.  i have one of the orange 56s (which i think is in 
the same gen as this) and based on TT i would be on a 58 in the current 
sizing.  I think this 2011 60 is closer to the current 62.

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 12:24:38 PM UTC-5, Brad wrote:
>
> I agree with Bill. You aren't saving enough over a new Sam frame from Riv 
> that comes with headset and bottom bracket installed.
> But I love the hand-drawn exploded diagram of the headset on the 
> ebay listing. That's worth something, right?
>
> Brad
> Queens
>
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 11:37:52 AM UTC-5, Antone Könst wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-2011-Sam-Hillborne-60cm-Frameset-Green-Brakes-Seatpost-/252749473859
>>  
>> 
>>
>> This has been up for a long time now - seems expensive considering 6 
>> years 12,000 miles and headset/bb not installed, lots of chips...am I wrong 
>> to not pull the trigger? (looking for 58 Sam used) 
>> Also it's 60cm, is that just an old size? Assuming it's 60 relative to 
>> the current 58 and 62 (as in, between the two), and not a different sizing 
>> approach from 2011. 
>>
>>
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[RBW] FS: new nitto s65 silver seatpost $59

[Jeffrey B]

I bought this for a new build and discovered I will need a longer one. 
(Measure once, purchase twice :) 
New in original box, never installed, perfect condition silver Nitto s65 
"crystal fellow" 27.2 x 250mm. Thanks for looking.

Jeff (Virginia)

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[RBW] Re: Sam Frame on Ebay (need advice)

[Philip Kim]

i'd also agree that getting a new sam is probably worth it over this frame. 
i think the orange looks sharp.

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 11:37:52 AM UTC-5, Antone Könst wrote:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Bicycle-Works-2011-Sam-Hillborne-60cm-Frameset-Green-Brakes-Seatpost-/252749473859
>
> This has been up for a long time now - seems expensive considering 6 years 
> 12,000 miles and headset/bb not installed, lots of chips...am I wrong to 
> not pull the trigger? (looking for 58 Sam used) 
> Also it's 60cm, is that just an old size? Assuming it's 60 relative to the 
> current 58 and 62 (as in, between the two), and not a different sizing 
> approach from 2011. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne complete

[Will Ashe]

Thanks Dan, I hope it does sell quickly.

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 5:50:48 AM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> Nice looking bike Will. I'm sure it will sell very quickly. If I had seen 
> this back in December before buying my Black & Cream Sam, I would have made 
> you an offer.
>
> Dan
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 2:57:29 PM UTC-5, Will Ashe wrote:
>>
>> Hey Folks, 
>>
>> Let's try this again. I've now sold some luggage bits and what you see is 
>> what you get, except for the saddle. 62cm Sam Hillborne in the beautiful 
>> black and cream colorway. This is pretty much a standard Riv build aside 
>> from the following;
>>
>> -Nitto Campee (27f)
>> -58cm Bosco bars
>> -VP Vice pedals
>> -Soma Cazadero rubber (lot of life)
>> -King Cage bottle cages
>> -Zefal pump
>> -Pletcher two legged kickstand
>>
>> I think that covers it. I'm asking $2000. The bike will be packed and 
>> shipped from LBS, unless you're in California and we can meet in person. We 
>> can work out a shipping included deal depending on where you live.
>>
>> Will Ashe
>> Santa Monica
>>
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[RBW] Re: Sam Frame on Ebay (need advice)

[Antone Könst]

Well, that settles it.  Thanks!

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 12:03:52 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> They used to come in a 60. The size progression was changed to allow fewer 
> sizes.  I have a 56 from back then. The price seems about $200 too high to 
> me.  If I wanted a 58 Sam, I would choose a new 58 over that 60 at $900US. 
> A new frameset would come with headset bb and seatpost and you'd get a 
> bunch of Rivdollars. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne complete

[Will Ashe]

I've decided to include the Brooks B17 Select saddle, I've yet to break it 
in fully and find the B17 Special to be more comfortable with less effort. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Frame on Ebay (need advice)

[Jeff Lesperance]

FYI - the 60cm Sam that I posted for sale in February is still available -
I can refresh the posting in a bit- I'm offering the frame/fork/headset for
$650 +shipping. I was originally hoping to sell as a complete, but I'm not
using most of the parts to build up another frame. I have the measurements
for the frame, according to an geometry spreadsheet that Riv previously
published - I'll paste the values in below.

Size: 60
BB drop: 78
TT slope: 6
Rear hub space: 135
Standover: 87.6
ST angle: 71.5
HT angle: 72
Rake: 5.2
TT: 61
Front center: 64
Chain stay: 45.5
Max tire: 700x45

I have a few other bits that I can't re-use that I may offer up, including
a wheelset and brakes.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Antone Könst  wrote:

> Well, that settles it.  Thanks!
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 12:03:52 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> They used to come in a 60. The size progression was changed to allow
>> fewer sizes.  I have a 56 from back then. The price seems about $200 too
>> high to me.  If I wanted a 58 Sam, I would choose a new 58 over that 60 at
>> $900US. A new frameset would come with headset bb and seatpost and you'd
>> get a bunch of Rivdollars.
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Re: [RBW] Feb 24th Century Ride on the Sam Hillborne

[Patrick Moore]

Kudos. And nice fenders!

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Daniel Betancourt 
wrote:

> I finished my first Century ride after around 2 months of preparation. I'm
> including a few pics of the ride below. I took the day off of work as I
> wanted to get the ride in before our trip to New Orleans the following day.
>
> The weather was nice that morning as there was no rain, it wasn't cold,
> and the winds laid down for the most part. I got out of the house just
> before 6 am and decided to hit the bike trail outside of our neighborhood
> that I've been preparing on. I'm fortunate that the trail goes 40 miles in
> one direction, so I would finish 80% of the ride just by completing one
> loop. The ride was uneventful until I got 70 miles in. I ended up with a
> nasty upper leg cramp that forced me to take a break for about 30 minutes
> and I had to stop periodically the last 30 miles which killed my expected
> average speed. I'm not complaining as I was just happy to finish the ride
> in one piece.  :)
>
> I did get a kick out of seeing the artwork on a section of the trail on
> the back of a large section of fences facing the trail. There are some
> talented people out there that put some serious time in. The last pic below
> is a trail that leads to a stream under a bridge that I've seen kids
> playing in the past. They have some rope tied to a tree where they swing
> into the water, but as the water levels are low right now I can't imagine
> it's getting much use.
>
> This is my longest ride and prior to purchasing this bike, my longest ride
> was just over 60 miles. Overall I was happy with how the bike performed.
> I'm still getting used to this leather seat and that along with the leg
> cramp caused me the most discomfort at the later part of the ride, but to
> be fair I remember feeling the same way on my 60-mile ride I took about 7
> years ago on my road bike with a gel seat. One nice thing I lacked on this
> ride was number wrists/hands. That has for the most part gone away and was
> always an issue when riding my road bike.
>
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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

[dougP]

No, lots of kids were doing that, and breaking them.  Back in the early 
70s, before purpose built BMX bikes existed, a friend had a Schwinn 
dealership & sold tons of Stingrays.  There were so many frame failures due 
to jumping that Schwinn dropped their famous "lifetime frame warranty".  
You got the 50/50 warranty:  break in half & you get to keep both halves.  
It did spur the development of a BMX industry here in SoCal.

dougP

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 2:18:49 PM UTC-8, Les Lammers wrote:
>
> I thought I was the only one that did that. ;-)
>
> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 1:29:27 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> From the comments "don't trust a frame you bake in an oven"  Still, I 
>> think my Clem would have bounced back after that, but we'll never know 
>> because shenanigans like that are not for me anymore.  Kind of reminds me 
>> of days gone by when my kid pals and I would spend endless hours building 
>> ramps to ride our no-name sting-ray style bikes over.  Good fun.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 12:18:02 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You may have seen this already, but just a reminder: 
>>> https://www.pinkbike.com/video/463858/
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[dougP]

I'll second that.  Whenever I yearn for a new bike, I can never think of 
anything that I do that my Atlantis can't handle (granted, my demands are 
not great).  So a new bike would be redundant.

BTW, Clayton, there's a list member in Canada who often posts photos from 
his snow camping S240s on his Atlantis.  So snow shouldn't be an 
impediment.  Easy for me to say; I've never lived with the stuff.

dougP

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 4:55:48 AM UTC-8, RichS wrote:
>
> Clayton, bravo to you! And a passionate case for the venerable Atlantis.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Reid, 
>
> BecauseIt's an Atlantis. If Grant quit selling the *perfect* bike, I 
> would have such an anxiety attack, that it would be fatal. (He can't kill 
> meHe has a conscience.)  He can't quit selling them either, it would be 
> like an ice cream store that didn't serve Rocky Road, or a pretty girl who 
> refuses to smile, or a springtime without flowers.  Rivendell just wouldn't 
> be Rivendell without the Atlantis. I bought mine in '98-ish (Toyo) and have 
> ridden it almost daily ever since (except downtime from surgeries and ALL 
> THIS FRICKING SNOW) . It is just one of those things that happens I 
> have had three back surgeries, (12 total) and my Atlantis is more 
> comfortable than my old Easy Racer recumbent... True story... 
>
> Clayton (Bendite)
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 8:07:18 PM UTC-8, Reid wrote:
>>
>> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make 
>> the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than the 
>> Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
>> Atlantis?
>>
>> Reid
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Bill Lindsay]

" So a new bike would be redundant."

you say that like it's a bad thing.  *N-PLUS-ONE!!!*

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 11:29:42 AM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> I'll second that.  Whenever I yearn for a new bike, I can never think of 
> anything that I do that my Atlantis can't handle (granted, my demands are 
> not great).  So a new bike would be redundant.
>
> BTW, Clayton, there's a list member in Canada who often posts photos from 
> his snow camping S240s on his Atlantis.  So snow shouldn't be an 
> impediment.  Easy for me to say; I've never lived with the stuff.
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 4:55:48 AM UTC-8, RichS wrote:
>>
>> Clayton, bravo to you! And a passionate case for the venerable Atlantis.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2017, at 8:51 PM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Reid, 
>>
>> BecauseIt's an Atlantis. If Grant quit selling the *perfect* bike, I 
>> would have such an anxiety attack, that it would be fatal. (He can't kill 
>> meHe has a conscience.)  He can't quit selling them either, it would be 
>> like an ice cream store that didn't serve Rocky Road, or a pretty girl who 
>> refuses to smile, or a springtime without flowers.  Rivendell just wouldn't 
>> be Rivendell without the Atlantis. I bought mine in '98-ish (Toyo) and have 
>> ridden it almost daily ever since (except downtime from surgeries and ALL 
>> THIS FRICKING SNOW) . It is just one of those things that happens I 
>> have had three back surgeries, (12 total) and my Atlantis is more 
>> comfortable than my old Easy Racer recumbent... True story... 
>>
>> Clayton (Bendite)
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 8:07:18 PM UTC-8, Reid wrote:
>>>
>>> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to 
>>> make the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than 
>>> the Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
>>> Atlantis?
>>>
>>> Reid
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis now redundant?

[Les Lammers]

It's just nice to have choices. :-)

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:07:18 PM UTC-5, Reid wrote:
>
> Just read the latest Blug that goes on about the Appaloosa. Seems to make 
> the case that the Appaloosa is better for touring in many cases than the 
> Atlantis, and better for a wider variety of terrain. So why retain the 
> Atlantis?
>
> Reid
>
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[RBW] Re: Feb 24th Century Ride on the Sam Hillborne

[Les Lammers]

Dan,

You forgot to mention that you did the ride the day before you left for 
Mardi Gras. :-)

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 12:25:42 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:

> I finished my first Century ride after around 2 months of preparation. I'm 
> including a few pics of the ride below. I took the day off of work as I 
> wanted to get the ride in before our trip to New Orleans the following day. 
>
> The weather was nice that morning as there was no rain, it wasn't cold, 
> and the winds laid down for the most part. I got out of the house just 
> before 6 am and decided to hit the bike trail outside of our neighborhood 
> that I've been preparing on. I'm fortunate that the trail goes 40 miles in 
> one direction, so I would finish 80% of the ride just by completing one 
> loop. The ride was uneventful until I got 70 miles in. I ended up with a 
> nasty upper leg cramp that forced me to take a break for about 30 minutes 
> and I had to stop periodically the last 30 miles which killed my expected 
> average speed. I'm not complaining as I was just happy to finish the ride 
> in one piece.  :)
>
> I did get a kick out of seeing the artwork on a section of the trail on 
> the back of a large section of fences facing the trail. There are some 
> talented people out there that put some serious time in. The last pic below 
> is a trail that leads to a stream under a bridge that I've seen kids 
> playing in the past. They have some rope tied to a tree where they swing 
> into the water, but as the water levels are low right now I can't imagine 
> it's getting much use.
>
> This is my longest ride and prior to purchasing this bike, my longest ride 
> was just over 60 miles. Overall I was happy with how the bike performed. 
> I'm still getting used to this leather seat and that along with the leg 
> cramp caused me the most discomfort at the later part of the ride, but to 
> be fair I remember feeling the same way on my 60-mile ride I took about 7 
> years ago on my road bike with a gel seat. One nice thing I lacked on this 
> ride was number wrists/hands. That has for the most part gone away and was 
> always an issue when riding my road bike.
>
> Dan
>
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[RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Patrick Moore]

1. Road 10 speed derailleurs
 and shifters are
completely incompatible with mountain (dyna sys) 10 speed derailleurs and
shifters. The cable pull by the shifters is different for both front and
rear.

2. Nine speed rear derailleurs will not work with 10 speed mountain

rear
shifters. They will however work with road “flat bar” 10 speed rear
shifters. Dyna speed shifters pull twice as much cable per shift as 9 speed
shifters, so if you use a 9 speed derailleur
 it shifts two gears for
every one push.

3. Dyna sys 10 speed rear derailleurs
 cannot be used with 9
speed shifters. Road 10 speed derailleurs can be used with 9 speed shifters.

4. Nine speed front derailleurs can be used with 10 speed front shifters
,
but do not work optimally if used with a 10 speed crankset
. Nine speed
front derailleurs  and
cranksets  can be used
with 10 speed chains

 and front shifters
.
A nine speed shifter can be used to shift a 10 speed dyna sys front
derailleur

.

5. 10 speed road chains are different from 10 speed mountain

(dyna
sys) chains. The dyna sys chain is a directional chain that is made to
shift better with 10 speed mountain

 drivetrains .

6. 10 speed road cassettes and 10 speed mountain cassette use the same
sprocket spacing.

[...]

The days of bike riders shopping for new cranks or cassettes or shifters is
mostly gone. Or at least, it's not like it used to be, by a mile. Bike
shops are so desperate (for the most part) that they want their suppliers
to drive customers to their stores with new exciting things every year.

I was not aware, taking just Shimano, of the variety and complexity and
incompatibility of the various indexing systems. Man, it all looks like a
hassle I am very, very happy to avoid.

And the first sentence of the next paragraph seems very strange to me;
nothing is more natural than shopping for new cranks and cassettes and
shifters, in my world. I guess I live in an alternate universe, but one I
like much better. I've just replaced crankset and cassettes and shifters on
the Matthews.

Going from 9 to 10 *was* exciting, as far as these things go -- a very
modest excitement, of course. But it was at least very interesting to learn
that I can shift 10 cogs (and with misaligned ramps, at that, since the
cassette is made from a handful of cogs grabbed from my box, and includes
at least 8s and 9s and 10s, and probably 7s too) with Power Ratchets
pulling a 8 speed era rd. I'd be better off w

Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/08/2017 02:52 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
1. Road 10 speed derailleurs 
 and shifters are 
completely incompatible with mountain (dyna sys) 10 speed derailleurs 
and shifters. The cable pull by the shifters is different for both 
front and rear.


but rear derailleurs can be made compatible with the appropriate 
cable-pull altering device (e.g. Wolftooth TanPan, Shiftmate 6) as can 
11 speed Shimano road shifters & DynaSys MTB rear derailleurs




2. Nine speed rear derailleurs will not work with 10 speed mountain 
 rear 
shifters. They will however work with road “flat bar” 10 speed rear 
shifters. Dyna speed shifters pull twice as much cable per shift as 9 
speed shifters, so if you use a 9 speed derailleur 
 it shifts two gears 
for every one push.


3. Dyna sys 10 speed rear derailleurs 
 cannot be used 
with 9 speed shifters. Road 10 speed derailleurs can be used with 9 
speed shifters


With 9 speed and 10 speed Shimano road shifters use 9 speed Shimano MTB 
rear derailleurs.




4. Nine speed front derailleurs can be used with 10 speed front 
shifters 
, 
but do not work optimally if used with a 10 speed crankset 
. Nine 
speed front derailleurs 
 and cranksets 
 can be used with 10 
speed chains 
 and 
front shifters 
. 
A nine speed shifter can be used to shift a 10 speed dyna sys front 
derailleur 
.


5. 10 speed road chains are different from 10 speed mountain 
 (dyna 
sys) chains. The dyna sys chain is a directional chain that is made to 
shift better with 10 speed mountain 
drivetrains 
.


6. 10 speed road cassettes and 10 speed mountain cassette use the same 
sprocket spacing.


[...]

The days of bike riders shopping for new cranks or cassettes or 
shifters is mostly gone. Or at least, it's not like it used to be, by 
a mile. Bike shops are so desperate (for the most part) that they want 
their suppliers to drive customers to their stores with new exciting 
things every year.


I was not aware, taking just Shimano, of the variety and complexity 
and incompatibility of the various indexing systems. Man, it all looks 
like a hassle I am very, very happy to avoid.


With Shimano road 11 they've taken road cassettes to 32T, but for many 
with the usual (and often not replaceable with any better gearing) 34/50 
that's not a low enough low gear.  It was much simpler in 10 speed days: 
replace cassette and rear derailleur as noted above and you're good up 
to 36T in back.  That won't work w

[RBW] Re: Squeaky tire?

[Garth]

  Well, I have saddles that squeak like that so sure, anything with 
rubber/plastic why not.  You could simply deflate the tire and check the 
seating and re-inflate and see if makes any difference. 

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Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Brewster Fong]

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 12:41:59 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> With Shimano road 11 they've taken road cassettes to 32T, but for many 
> with the usual (and often not replaceable with any better gearing) 34/50 
> that's not a low enough low gear.  It was much simpler in 10 speed days: 
> replace cassette and rear derailleur as noted above and you're good up to 
> 36T in back.  That won't work with 11, and it's necessary to enter the 
> world of altering cable pull.
>
>
> Agree.  With 11 speed, all of the different platforms work with each 
other. So you can mix Campy, Shimano and Sram wheels and cassettes.  With 
my friends, several have gone to bigger gearing like 11-32 or 11-36 and one 
friend just picked up an 11-40 or 12-40, so don't know if that will work. I 
know there's also 12-42 and I think either an 11-50 or 12-50 11 speed 
cassette!  The key is you need to have a "mid-cage" RD.  All of these big 
gear cassette is being driven by the latest "1 by" movement. But that 
doesn't stop you found adapting to a bike with a double or even a triple 
crank!  Of course, you may need a "mid-cage" RD and the wolf tooth thing. 

For my next bike, I'm planning on going etap "wireless" with mid-cage RD. I 
want to run 11-32 in the rear with a sub-compact double like a 46x30 or 
46x28.  Since I don't "tour" or carry a load, a 30x32 or 28x32 should be 
more than enough to get me up the hills around here! Of course, YMMV!  Good 
Luck! 

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Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Patrick Moore]

I guess the gaps are getting so narrow that any difference between marques
disappears. But that's a good thing.

What about derailleurs? Are road and mountain bike derailleurs compatible
with the opposite shifters? And what about shifter compatibility between
the different marques?

Frankly, if I were to use indexing, I'd at least seriously consider
wireless electric (I'm tempted to be snide and say, "If you've abdicated
shifting skill to indexing, you might as use electricity," but I won't).
But my last bike with indexing was the Ram, when I had it set up with 7
speed Dura Ace, and I didn't particularly like it. Friction for me.

Patrick "hell, fixed/single for me" Moore, who just had a nice 76" gear
ride on the gofast in breezy but sunny and warm ABQ, NM.

Seriously, if you don't shift so much, you have all the more attention to
give to other aspects of cycling, like cadence strategy -- but don't mind
me, I admit that it's *chacun/ne a son/sa gout/te.*

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Brewster Fong  wrote:

>
>> Agree.  With 11 speed, all of the different platforms work with each
> other. So you can mix Campy, Shimano and Sram wheels and cassettes.
>

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Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Patrick Moore]

Segueing a lil' bit: there was another thread today on this list or
t'other, where someone attached old video of Eddy one one of the big rides.
Very interesting to see (I guess this was very early '70s) how pedaling had
changed from the days of Coppi and late Bartali. You watch even older video
of C and B on the flats, and they're spinning at very high cadences; Coppi
seemed to prefer the spin-coast, spin-coast, which I also favored 25 years
ago when I could maintain 20-23 in my favorite 64-65" gear. Then they hit
inclines, and they're grinding up in amazingly high gears at very low
cadences.

But Eddy and companions are pushing bigger gears on the flats, and it is
very interesting to see how, at the slightest rise or, perhaps, a turn into
a wind, they get out of the saddle, without downshifting, and torque their
way through the "obstacle." And they stand while in the hooks! (And, btw,
Eddy was a "messy" pedaler; you can't say he had finesse -- all over the
bike!)

I've not watched much Tour video since Big Mig, but I daresay that the
style now is fast spinning and maintaining cadence in all conditions and
terrains.

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:29 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I guess the gaps are getting so narrow that any difference between marques
> disappears. But that's a good thing.
>
> What about derailleurs? Are road and mountain bike derailleurs compatible
> with the opposite shifters? And what about shifter compatibility between
> the different marques?
>
> Frankly, if I were to use indexing, I'd at least seriously consider
> wireless electric (I'm tempted to be snide and say, "If you've abdicated
> shifting skill to indexing, you might as use electricity," but I won't).
> But my last bike with indexing was the Ram, when I had it set up with 7
> speed Dura Ace, and I didn't particularly like it. Friction for me.
>
> Patrick "hell, fixed/single for me" Moore, who just had a nice 76" gear
> ride on the gofast in breezy but sunny and warm ABQ, NM.
>
> Seriously, if you don't shift so much, you have all the more attention to
> give to other aspects of cycling, like cadence strategy -- but don't mind
> me, I admit that it's *chacun/ne a son/sa gout/te.*
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Brewster Fong  wrote:
>
>>
>>> Agree.  With 11 speed, all of the different platforms work with each
>> other. So you can mix Campy, Shimano and Sram wheels and cassettes.
>>
>


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Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/08/2017 04:21 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:



On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 12:41:59 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:




With Shimano road 11 they've taken road cassettes to 32T, but for
many with the usual (and often not replaceable with any better
gearing) 34/50 that's not a low enough low gear. It was much
simpler in 10 speed days: replace cassette and rear derailleur as
noted above and you're good up to 36T in back.  That won't work
with 11, and it's necessary to enter the world of altering cable pull.


Agree.  With 11 speed, all of the different platforms work with each 
other. So you can mix Campy, Shimano and Sram wheels and cassettes.  
With my friends, several have gone to bigger gearing like 11-32 or 
11-36 and one friend just picked up an 11-40 or 12-40, so don't know 
if that will work. I know there's also 12-42 and I think either an 
11-50 or 12-50 11 speed cassette!  The key is you need to have a 
"mid-cage" RD. All of these big gear cassette is being driven by the 
latest "1 by" movement. But that doesn't stop you found adapting to a 
bike with a double or even a triple crank!  Of course, you may need a 
"mid-cage" RD and the wolf tooth thing.


It's not quite that simple if you need low gears.  The "generic road 
bike" these days is carbon, and there's a good chance it has a non-round 
seat tube because swoopy sells.  So instead of clamp on front 
derailleurs we have braze-on style mounting tabs.  And in many cases 
those mounting tabs are made so that the smallest big chain ring you can 
use is a 50T, because the slot is oriented so that you can raise the 
front derailleur (to accommodate a 53) but you can't lower it.  That 
means you're pretty much stuck with a 34/50 compact double.


And if your 34x32 won't cut it, yes you can go to a cassette with a 
monster big sprocket, but your road derailleur (no matter what brand) 
won't work.  You could eke out an extra couple of teeth with a RoadLink 
-- basically a "drop bolt for rear derailleurs" that would let your 32T 
capable road rear derailleur fit a 34T, but a RoadLink isn't going to 
get you to 40 never mind bigger with a 34/50 crank.


*Compatibility:*

 * 10s Cassette Compatibility:
 o 11-32: /Not Required (GS medium cage rear derailleur works)///
 o 11-34: Single or Double Chainring
 o 11-36: Single or Double Chainring (front rings can be no more
   than 14 teeth different e.g. 48-34)
 o 11-40: Single or Double Chainring (front rings can be no more
   than 10 teeth different e.g. 46-36)
 o 11-42: Not Supported
 * 11s Cassette Compatibility:
 o 11-32: /Not Required (GS medium cage rear derailleur works)/
 o 11-36: Single or Double Chainring (front rings can be no more
   than 14 teeth different e.g. 48-34)
 o 11-40: Single or Double Chainring (front rings can be no more
   than 10 teeth different e.g. 46-36)
 o 11-42: Not Supported
 o 10-42: Not Supported


Sure, if you could fit a 36/46 you'd be fine, but you were in this fix 
in the first place because of the slot in that mounting tab, so no joy 
to be found there.  Which means you're looking at MTB rear derailleurs 
and cable pull altering devices.





For my next bike, I'm planning on going etap "wireless" with mid-cage 
RD. I want to run 11-32 in the rear with a sub-compact double like a 
46x30 or 46x28.  Since I don't "tour" or carry a load, a 30x32 or 
28x32 should be more than enough to get me up the hills around here! 
Of course, YMMV! Good Luck!


You can help that luck by making sure your frame has a round seat tube 
and uses a clamp on front derailleur.  Which pretty much means a 
titanium frame.


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[RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Joe Bernard]

The comment about people not buying cranks and shifters anymore struck me 
because I realized I'm kinda there now. I used to do a lot of drivetrain 
swapping/upgrading, more as part of the "hobby" than for any real hope of 
improving functionality. My Appaloosa came from RBW with Sugino cranks, Deore 
rear derailer and a rather clunky-looking Claris front. It's not a particularly 
cohesive look, not particularly light, and works fine..I feel no inclination to 
replace any of it with lighter/shinier stuff like in the old days. 

Then there's my ebike with a 1x10 Deore shifter and derailer: Click, click, 
click, ride, ride, ride..it's absolutely invisible to me out on the road, which 
seems weird. I'm becoming that person who just hops on and rides without giving 
much thought to what parts are making it go. I never thought this would happen. 

Joe Bernard 

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[RBW] FS: new nitto s65 silver seatpost $59

[Jeffrey B]

Sold

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[RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Conway Bennett]

On my XO I run a 1x10.  Wolf tooth drop stop up front, medium cage ultegra 6700 
out back with an XT cassette and chain.  It all shifts flawlessly with an 
XC-Pro thumbie.

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[RBW] Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

[Fullylugged]

Not EXACTLY related, but the 1995 Rivendell Road (level TT. Not sloped like the 
Road Std) that used to get questions, "How old is that bike?" To which I 
answered, "It's not old. It's just made in a older style.", now IS old. It's 22 
years old and has many thousands of miles on it on mostly chip seal and rural 
roads. And other than fresh paint a few years ago, everything is still good 
just like when Waterford made it. Steel IS real and it does do well for a long 
time.

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[RBW] Sam Hillborn

[Carla Waugh]

Hello Sam owners I'm thinking about purchasing a Sam for retirement partly 
price mostly because it's a Rivendell and lugged. I have one other bike it's a 
custom 650B and I know the Sam is a 700c. Ideas? Thoughts? Thanks

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[RBW] Sam Hillborn

[Belopsky]

What are you asking

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[RBW] Sam Hillborn

[Carla Waugh]

I want to know all the good things people that have Sam's think.

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[RBW] FS: Very Tall Bilenky Nor'Easter cyclocross 64 cm sloping top tube

['Marcus80' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Beautiful frame and fork featured on the Bilenky website. See it here
 http://www.bilenky.com/cross?lightbox=image1ldc 
. It is still pretty much 
the samecouldn't be more than a few hundred road miles on it. TA 
Carmina crank 180mm double chainrings, Ultegra brifters, SRAM 9sp, Frame 
lugged and fillet brazed at the bottom bracket, pump peg, Mavic 719 laced 
to xt hubs 36f 36r, Paul Racer brakes brazed on version etc etc. I am 6'3" 
with a 34 inseam and I can ride it fineit's just slightly too large and 
I have another project going. The frame and fork alone would be north of 
$3200.00 Make me an offer.  ThanksLocated in Massachusetts call me,   
Mark 617-686-6693 or reach me here. Best

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[RBW] Re: MUSA clothing for sale

[Steve Butcher]

The pants have sold.  Thanks to all the inquiries and for those making 
purchases!

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 4:47:46 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Bump.  Pants still on offer.  Will reduce price to $50.00 shipped CONUS.  
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 6:56:50 PM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> The shorts have also sold, so all that remains is the pants.
>>
>> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:19:40 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>>
>>> I've some MUSA clothing I'm not using so would like to make a little 
>>> room in the closet.  Offering one pair MUSA pants size L grey with navy 
>>> gusset, one pair knickers size L dark brown with navy gusset, and one pair 
>>> shorts size L grey with navy gusset.  The pants and knickers have the 
>>> Velcro leg closures.   All are undamaged in like new condition.  I'd like 
>>> $60.00 each for the pants and knickers and $50.00 for the shorts.  Buy all 
>>> three and I'll pay shipping CONUS.  I can send text photos if needed.  
>>> Please send me a PM if you've any questions.  Thanks, Steve.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Joe Bernard]

Does your XC-Pro shifter have a pure friction option? I thought they all had a 
choice of hard or soft clicks to avoid a click/friction patent Shimano had. 

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[RBW] Re: REMINDER: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie]

Come by every Sat. 7AM at Marina Park Marina Bay, CA. Only 4.5 miles from 
the El Cerrito Plaza BART Station.




On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 3:26:20 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>
>
> 
> This Sat. March 4, rain or shine, at the west end of Marina Park near 
> Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay, CA, 7AM. Bring your brewing set-up/thermos 
> and meet some like-minded cyclists. Only 4.5 miles from El Cerrito Bart 
> Station, and most the ride's on the SF Bay Trail to the meeting area.
>

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[RBW] Sam Hillborn

[drew]

I rode my Sam on 20 miles of trails and fire roads yesterday. Every other bike 
I saw was a suspended mountain bike. I was totally comfortable the entire time. 
I also ride it almost every day around town. It is my bike for everything but 
touring, and I've even considered that it would probably work for that fine 
too. My wife bought herself an older orange canti Sam (first bike i didn't 
force upon her), and she likes hers a lot too.
Disclaimer: I don't care about going really fast.

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[RBW] Sam Hillborn

[Carla Waugh]

Drew thanks and are either of yours drop bars?

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Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Captain Conway Bennett]

It's 7 speed indexed or I guess 10 speed friction.

Fair winds,

Captain Conway Bennett

> On Mar 8, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Does your XC-Pro shifter have a pure friction option? I thought they all had 
> a choice of hard or soft clicks to avoid a click/friction patent Shimano had. 
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[RBW] Sam Hillborn

[drew]

Yeah! Mine has noodles on a 8 or 9 cm stem. I had mustache bars, albatross 
bars, map/ahearne bars and now the noodles, which I like best. 
Mustache was fine in retrospect. Albatross felt a little too upright and 
cramped for me. Map bars were comfortable but I could only really use one 
position.  My wife won't ride drops and has hers with albatross bars. 

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[RBW] Re: Remember Good People, Steel is Real!

[Joe Bernard]

Evel Knievel made regular appearances on ABC's Wide World of Sports in the 
'70s, jumping an ever increasing number of cars with his Harley XR750. All us 
kids jumped out bikes back then, and snapped them in half regularly. 

One evening I stumbled into an alley and some dude had actually built ramps big 
enough to get him over two cars on his Sting-Ray. He had a giant front sprocket 
and got himself up a good head of steam and sailed right over those cars. And 
the landing ramp. He bounced into a telephone pole on the edge of the alley and 
broke his arm. That was a strange night...

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[RBW] Sam Hillborn

[twin]

Those of you that have thoughts about a Sam in the 55cm or 700c wheels I would 
like help on descion making. I am thinking about purchasing one I  currently 
ride a custom 650B bicycle and that sums up my stable. I want something fun 
that's comfortable and pretty. Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Nick Payne]

>
> It's not quite that simple if you need low gears.  The "generic road bike" 
> these days is carbon, and there's a good chance it has a non-round seat 
> tube because swoopy sells.  So instead of clamp on front derailleurs we 
> have braze-on style mounting tabs.  And in many cases those mounting tabs 
> are made so that the smallest big chain ring you can use is a 50T, because 
> the slot is oriented so that you can raise the front derailleur (to 
> accommodate a 53) but you can't lower it.  That means you're pretty much 
> stuck with a 34/50 compact double.  
>
> And if your 34x32 won't cut it, yes you can go to a cassette with a 
> monster big sprocket, but your road derailleur (no matter what brand) won't 
> work.  You could eke out an extra couple of teeth with a RoadLink -- 
> basically a "drop bolt for rear derailleurs" that would let your 32T 
> capable road rear derailleur fit a 34T, but a RoadLink isn't going to get 
> you to 40 never mind bigger with a 34/50 crank.
>

On my wife's carbon BH Quartz, which uses a braze-on tab, an Ultegra 
Braze-on front derailleur was able to be positioned low enough to be in the 
correct position when using a crank with 44/30 chainrings: 




For 11-speed road shifters combined with wide range cassettes, use SRAM - 
their 10-speed MTB derailleurs use the same cable pull as their 11-speed 
road shifters. Here's the drivetrain on one of my bikes that uses Force 22 
road shifters, 42/29 chainrings, SRAM X9 MTB RD, and Shimano 11-40 11s 
cassette. SRAM publish a list of their "exact actuation" components at 
https://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/technologies/exact-actuation. All 
components on that list are compatible - just match the shifters to the 
number of cogs on the cassette.





I've never found any problem on two chainring setups with mixing different 
manufacturers front derailleurs and shifters. I have Campagnolo shifters 
with Shimano FD, Shimano shifters with Campagnolo FD, and SRAM shifters 
with Shimano FD.

Another combination that works perfectly is Campagnolo 11s shifters with 
Shimano 9s cassette and Shimano 9s RD, as the cable pull is virtually 
identical between Shimano 9s and Campag 11s. When my old pair of Ultegra 9s 
STI shifters started to fail several years ago, I found I could buy a pair 
of new Chorus 11s Ergo shifters as cheaply as the prices being asked for 
NOS Ultegra 6500 shifters, so I went that route.

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[RBW] Sam Hillborn

[Timothy Hurley]

I've had one since the first year they made them (2009?) and I still love it. 
It's been my commuter, errand runner, day ride, and trail bike. I've toured on 
it a bunch too (about 20 days total) and it was great for that. I've always had 
upright bars. It really is a great and versitile bike.

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Re: [RBW] Current indexing systems and shifting in general, per the Knothole

[Bill M.]

On Wednesday, March 8, 2017 at 2:14:48 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On 03/08/2017 04:21 PM, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
> For my next bike, I'm planning on going etap "wireless" with mid-cage RD. 
> I want to run 11-32 in the rear with a sub-compact double like a 46x30 or 
> 46x28.  Since I don't "tour" or carry a load, a 30x32 or 28x32 should be 
> more than enough to get me up the hills around here! Of course, YMMV!  Good 
> Luck!
>
> You can help that luck by making sure your frame has a round seat tube and 
> uses a clamp on front derailleur.  Which pretty much means a titanium frame.
>

Or a Calfee.  Which, come to think of it, Brewster already owns.

I have had no problems mixing SRAM road and mountain 10 speed derailleurs 
and shifters with 44/28 and 42/26 cranks and 11/32 or 12/28 cassettes. 
 Even on my Calfee, now sadly sold.

Bill 
Stockton, CA

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