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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Joe Bernard

You'll note I went with the "stand there and look at the guy like he's an 
idiot" scenario. There's no chance I'm dropping anyone on a group ride. Also no 
chance I'm going on a group ride.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Ron Mc

Right? Wrong. Folks making observations with a narrow brush. No wide 
generalizations except your own.

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[RBW] Re: Do you prefer Adidas Sambas? Or clipless pedals? Both?

2016-04-20 Thread islaysteve

I was skeptical when I saw your original post Bill, but then went to the 
site and saw the pix and read the FAQ.  I agree,this is cool for folks who 
want clipless and the shoes of their choice.  I've never tried SPD, only 
Look road (which of course are barely walkable), but I assume that these 
would walk a bit better than standard SPD shoes, depending on the sole 
thickness.  They don't say anything about the comfort level when walking or 
riding.  Again, would depend on shoe and insole.  Nice to know in case I 
decide to build up the road bike and go clipless again.
Cheers, Steve

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 8:30:49 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I never knew you could have both!  
>
> http://www.retrofitz.com/index.html
>
> They sell a kit to run SPD cleats on any shoe.  Yes, any shoe.  I think 
> that's kinda cool.  I might try that sometime.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you prefer Adidas Sambas? Or clipless pedals? Both?

2016-04-20 Thread Belopsky

Cool idea but makes the shoe harder to walk in. This would add stiffness to 
the midfoot of the shoe which will impede gait.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Ron Mc

Evan, we're not bad people.  We're not badmouthing your friend with the 
carbon bike (or you if you have one - knock your lights out).  Life is full 
of strange encounters, some leave us feeling mildly insulted, some stick 
out in our minds.  Every day we have weird experiences whether driving 
behind a Volvo, or showing up at the river with a '70s fiberglass fly rod 
and meeting a guy who stepped out of the LL Bean catalog.  Humor by 
definition is a healthy refocusing of anger.  Stand up comics earn a meager 
living throwing out their life examples.  Julian opened this thread with a 
curious encounter of his own.  We all have them, pedaling either direction. 
 Sometimes people's strange expressions are just their performance grimace. 
 But when their expression changes just for you, it's natural to 
internalize it and try to figure out what it's about.  

You seem to want more understanding and context, so I'll offer.  When I 
ride, it's most often for calories.  I like to pump out 50 to 100 mi / 
week.  It doesn't make me lean and racy, but lets me pretty much eat what I 
choose.  When I jump on my bike on a Sunday morning and my daughter is 
still asleep.  Up early, out and quick to be off the rural roads before the 
hungover guys get out in their pickups.  I'm going to ride 26 miles and be 
back in 2 under hours.  400' drop to the creek bottom.  2-mile hill up to 
the county park for a water and stretch break,  on the way back, so I don't 
want to ride the cliff side against the creek, so I turn up and make the 
climb to the rolling hills.  There is a good stop at the top of that climb. 
 One day leaving that stop, I encountered a group of people on road bikes. 
 To cook my daughter breakfast, I don't have time to coast down the hills, 
and it's not my goal.  So I stand to pass these people on the first descent 
(I'm on my upright, which I love for all the reasons we come here).  The 
woman in the group laughs with incredulity.  I don't know why she did that, 
but it seems like it was something along the lines of, "hey, he's not 
supposed to do that (on that junk), I'm the one who paid to look and ride 
like this."  One guy in their group broke out and chased me 2 miles to the 
next stop sign, leaving his group a half-mile behind.  That was 
competitive.  

Every one of the interactions alluded on this thread would require similar 
context for complete understanding.  It's probably better to assume the 
context does exist, and it might be better to ask about the context than to 
make broad generalizations about the people posting them.   

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 5:11:29 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Right? Wrong. Folks making observations with a narrow brush. No wide 
> generalizations except your own.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Ron Mc

could OP a thread, pleasant encounters with other riders.  We all have 
them, and some of them, too, stick out.  
Why I like my carbon bike better than my steel bike.  
Why I like lycra better than baggy canvas shorts.  
Why I like gel saddles and padded underwear, etc.  
I tried one on platform pedals and walking/riding shoes that turned into 
cage pedals and toe clips, which is how life frequently works.  

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[RBW] Re: Will Rosco see the light of day?

2016-04-20 Thread Ron Mc

I would have bought one if it was 2 cm closer to my standover, but 6 short 
is too many

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 5:52:54 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That's good news.  Thanks!
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 3:50:56 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> I think maybe in an email update, Grant indicated it'll move forward. 
>> He'll buy one so 7, then a couple to sell.
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Jay LePree


At the risk of repeating myself, I will share a funny story.  I have a 
Rivendell Rambouillet with a rear rack, fenders, lights, etc.  I use it to 
get back and forth to work, and depending on my route, I will encounter 
some small steep hills.  While riding up one of these hills, a fully kitted 
out guy comes behind me and rather sarcastically asks, "Nice bike, does it 
have a bell?"  I ring the bell and then tell him it has a horn too.  At 
that moment, I stand an rip a loud fart.  It kinda surprised me how loud 
and long it was, so I start laughing.  I am laughing so hard that it 
becomes contagious, and racer boy starts laughing.  We both are laughing so 
hard that we had to dismount and walk the bikes up the rest of the hill.

So to answer your question, "It is not the bike, it is the engine is always 
a good reply."  Maybe showing him the horn is a second good reply.

Jay LePree
Demarest, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Philip Kim

hahahahahaha, 

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 9:02:17 AM UTC-4, Jay LePree wrote:
>
>
> At the risk of repeating myself, I will share a funny story.  I have a 
> Rivendell Rambouillet with a rear rack, fenders, lights, etc.  I use it to 
> get back and forth to work, and depending on my route, I will encounter 
> some small steep hills.  While riding up one of these hills, a fully kitted 
> out guy comes behind me and rather sarcastically asks, "Nice bike, does it 
> have a bell?"  I ring the bell and then tell him it has a horn too.  At 
> that moment, I stand an rip a loud fart.  It kinda surprised me how loud 
> and long it was, so I start laughing.  I am laughing so hard that it 
> becomes contagious, and racer boy starts laughing.  We both are laughing so 
> hard that we had to dismount and walk the bikes up the rest of the hill.
>
> So to answer your question, "It is not the bike, it is the engine is 
> always a good reply."  Maybe showing him the horn is a second good reply.
>
> Jay LePree
> Demarest, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Ron Mc

It's not the engine, it's the fuel

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 8:16:20 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> hahahahahaha, 
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 9:02:17 AM UTC-4, Jay LePree wrote:
>>
>>
>> At the risk of repeating myself, I will share a funny story.  I have a 
>> Rivendell Rambouillet with a rear rack, fenders, lights, etc.  I use it to 
>> get back and forth to work, and depending on my route, I will encounter 
>> some small steep hills.  While riding up one of these hills, a fully kitted 
>> out guy comes behind me and rather sarcastically asks, "Nice bike, does it 
>> have a bell?"  I ring the bell and then tell him it has a horn too.  At 
>> that moment, I stand an rip a loud fart.  It kinda surprised me how loud 
>> and long it was, so I start laughing.  I am laughing so hard that it 
>> becomes contagious, and racer boy starts laughing.  We both are laughing so 
>> hard that we had to dismount and walk the bikes up the rest of the hill.
>>
>> So to answer your question, "It is not the bike, it is the engine is 
>> always a good reply."  Maybe showing him the horn is a second good reply.
>>
>> Jay LePree
>> Demarest, NJ
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Custom Rando Rig - Lejeune Campeur replica - Low trail - Inspired by Sam Hillborne

2016-04-20 Thread Jeremy Ross

Asking $2950 USD shipped in North America, open to offers.

Pics here: http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/bik/5543461682.html

Will ship.

Located in Toronto, Canada.

This is a replica/inspired by a classic Lejeune bike called the Campeur.

Built with columbus and reynolds tubing. Compass bikes fork crown, reynolds 
imperial oval blades.

Selling my custom randonneur/touring bike I had built 3 years ago. 

62cm seat tube - 57cm top tube 

Low trail geometry optimized for a front load.

Tall and short, perfect for tall people with shorter torsos (like me).

I love the bike, but want to do version 2.0 with slightly different sizing 
and want to start with a clean slate. 

The frame and fork were built in Toronto by a friend. 

You can read about that here: 

http://cycleops-into.blogspot.ca/2012/08/650b-project-and-defective-crown.html 

http://cycleops-into.blogspot.ca/2012/08/front-triangle.html 

http://cycleops-into.blogspot.ca/2012/09/a-bunch-of-racks.html 

The bike is a 650B randonneuring/touring bike with racks, fenders, lights, 
etc. 

The bike has some nice ($$$) goodies on it: 

- 3 x 8 drivetrain. SunRingle chainrings with XTR cassette. 

- Dura ace 8 speed bar end shifters. 

- Nitto Noodle 48cm heat treated bar. 

- Nitto tallux stem 7cm. 

- Supernova E3 Pro with matching tail light (brightest out there). Through 
frame wiring, super clean. Everything soldered and sealed with heat shrink 
tubing. 

- Light custom mounted on custom randonneur rack to accept a handlebar bag 
(I never got around to that project). You can buy any one you want and it 
should mount with a different decaleur. 

- Schmidt dynamo hub (the best on the market) 

- Custom rack system that allows the removal of the front lowrider racks if 
desired. Everything bolts together. 

- Wheels are 650B Velocity Synergy rims (rear offset). Rear hub is Shimano 
Tiagra, and front is Schmidt dynamo. 

- Grand Bois Hetre 42c tires. 

- Schwalbe tubes. 

Assembled by an experienced mechanic and kept in great shape. 

In 3 years I had a couple of small falls on streetcar tracks which resulted 
in scrapes, some to the bike and mostly to my body. 

Get in touch to see the bike. 

Jeremy

road, touring, 650b, custom, reynolds, columbus, hand made, steel, orange, 
ultegra, dura ace, 105, campagnolo, soma, surly, all city, salsa, trek, 
giant, specialized, norco, bianchi, raleigh, kona, bridgestone, rivendell, 
mercian

Jeremy Ross
Toronto, Canada

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[RBW] Re: Will Rosco see the light of day?

2016-04-20 Thread Joe Bernard

I might have, too, if it was my size, so thank the Lord and Grant Petersen it's 
not 'cause I's po at the moment. 

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[RBW] favorite tee shirt graphics

2016-04-20 Thread Ron Mc

Found this site in Italy, Ray's History, a couple of years ago chasing 
Moser catalogs  
http://www.raggidistoria.com/p/libreria.html  
I loved his graphic so much I ordered a tee shirt 



yesterday I visited again and ordered two more colors

here's my second favorite



I had Chuck Schmidt make up a couple of these for me


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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Surlyprof

I do find it a pity that bike frame composition can be viewed as a variable 
of differentiation between those who are "serious" and those who are not. 
 I've always ridden steel bikes (with the exception of one aluminum mtb). 
 I used to ride with a friend fairly regularly because we were friends 
aside from riding, approximately the same age and we rode about the same 
pace.  At the time, I rode a 2005 steel Bianchi Veloce that was a nice but 
far from extravagant road bike in which I could only manage up to 25mm 
tires (and even that was tight).  He initially rode a carbon Willier and 
then upgraded to a $9000 carbon BMC with electric shifting and top of the 
line Campy drivetrain.  Soon after I "downgraded" to my Hillborne.  He 
stopped calling me to ride.  He actually said that we obviously are 
pursuing different types of riding since I bought a "touring bike".  The 
Bianchi was pretty comfortable but was starting to become a bit of a strain 
on my neck after long rides.  I thought about keeping it for club riding 
and riding with friends who tend toward racing bikes.  I sold it because I 
never rode it anymore.

The Hillborne is by far the most comfortable, pleasurable and beautiful 
bike I've ever ridden.  I've found that with a lighter wheelset, Compass 
tires and less commuter gear, I can ride just as fast, much smoother and 
with more confidence than I could on my Bianchi.  I can also switch over to 
mixed terrain whenever I choose.  Not a possibility on the Bianchi.  So why 
keep a less comfortable road bike around just to be included in an 
occasional group ride?  I haven't actually gotten any negative comments 
about the my Sam, mostly positive remarks.  I have had people give it a 
strange look at traffic lights and then try harder to get ahead of me and 
stay ahead of me.  When I can keep up with them, they glance back a lot and 
then pedal harder.  The way I see it, in those situations, my Hillborne is 
helping improve both our riding.  And, if anyone in the bay area is up for 
a group ride, summer's coming, school is ending and I'll be up for it.

Sorry you had such a negative encounter, Julian.  I guess we just need to 
embrace the positive comments, ignore those who are that far out of line 
and enjoy the ride.

John

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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Re: [RBW] Leather saddle bleed

2016-04-20 Thread Brian Campbell

+1. I have 2  B17 Selects and echo what is said below. I just wish they 
made a B17 Select with a titanium frame so I could satisfy my inner weight 
weenie

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 7:52:49 PM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I will never buy any Brooks other than Select ever again.  
> While I have over 2000 mi on mine, it was no chore to break in.  After 
> 2000 mi, it has no undue stretch or sag, no need to tighten the stretch 
> bolt.  
> The last Special I bought, it was already showing the shape of the 
> underlying frame after a few hundred miles.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell, A. Homer Hilsen - $3200

2016-04-20 Thread Leslie

I *love* that color, a bit darker than the usual Hilsen blue.   (Do you 
happen to know the color name?)   



On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 3:31:06 PM UTC-4, Monique Arsenault wrote:
>
> A.H.H. came out in the summer of 2006. Serial number 0069. Nitto drop 
> handlebars & stem. Shimano break levers, Tektro R556 sidepulls front & 
> back. (650 B) 90% nifty swifty kevlar tires, no flats. 32 hole synergy rim, 
> stainless spokes. Polished stainless fenders. Schmidt front hub, Dynamo, 
> E-3 front light, rear light is a Top Lite XS, 3 watt system. Shimano bar 
> shifters with IRD ALPINA Front shifter and a Shimano Ultegra rears shifter. 
> T.A., Carmina Specialties (France) cranks, bottom bracket stainless, new 
> middle ring. (I'll have to take crank off to determine whether Philwood). 
> White industries rear hub with a brand new cassette. Shimano XC pedals. 
> Brooks B-17 saddle on a Nitto post. Tubus rear rack is titanium. This bike 
> is a solid riding precision machine that coasts farther and faster than any 
> of my other Rivs. And is so pretty, it sparkles in the sunlight, well, at 
> least the forks do. My favorite part, however, is the serial number. Jordan 
> (360)296-5939 Thanks for the feedback; size is 54cm, $3200.
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch


Yeah... Every now and then I get an oddball carbon-dude chiming in about 
how heavy my Atlantis looks with is 42 mm tires and gen-hub and bar-ends 
and friction shiftin and fat tubing. One friend dubbed my bike a "Bentley." 
Frankly, yes it is. My Atlantis is comfortable to ride on my morning 
commutes to work to Bellevue from Seattle (yeah, I bus across the 520, but 
looking forward to the new bridge's bike line when it opens); rain or 
shine. Honestly, I don't see many of these characters riding in the rain or 
during the dark, morning, freezing winter mornings on the BG; They seem to 
come out in Spring. On sunny days.

Generally, I just smile and go about my way. A few years ago a colleague 
criticized my Atlantis for being too "bulky" and that his carbonish racing 
bike got him from Kenmore to SLU much faster than my old-school bike. I 
tried arguing my point on a few occasions. But stopped. It's really 
pointless, especially when you realize that you're just dealing with 
someone's ego. Besides, commuting to work is not a competition. it's more 
like rondoneuring, you gotta be somewhere at a certain time. For me, I'm 
not fast about it. Maybe I average 12 miles per hour. My Atlantis gets me 
there in comfort. It tracks well down hill and through curves when going at 
speed. It's a stable bike. If I need to go fast, the bike performs. No 
complaints. I just enjoy the ride. Whereas, my carbon fiber friend who 
dubbed my bike a Bentley, cracked his top tube the first day he rode his La 
Pierre. Yes. he's enamored with the Tour de France look.

A couple of months ago, I loaded my bike onto the bus, and the bus drive 
mention how "beautiful" my bike was. There's a lot to be said for lugged 
steal, and she said it. I get this type of comment from a few bus drivers 
now and then.

A few weeks ago, I was at a corner in downtown Bellevue waiting for the 
light to change, and a pedestrian wanted to know how many miles I had on my 
bike. I really don't know. I've bought the frame new in '03, and rigged it 
with non-aero brake levers with exposed cabling for a look that I enjoy. It 
donned on me that this cat thought my bike was older than it looked. I took 
that as a compliment.

For me, aesthetics and comfort trump technology and speed. Pulling away 
from the carbon-racey-dudes and their egotistic comments speaks volumes. 
Just sayin'. 'Nough said.

-Steve
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: FS: Custom Rando Rig - Lejeune Campeur replica - Low trail - Inspired by Sam Hillborne

2016-04-20 Thread Kieran J

Was this made by that Cyclops guy, Olivier? I've followed his blog with 
interest over the years.

KJ


On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 10:06:46 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Ross wrote:
>
> Asking $2950 USD shipped in North America, open to offers.
>
> Pics here: http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/bik/5543461682.html
>
> Will ship.
>
> Located in Toronto, Canada.
>
> This is a replica/inspired by a classic Lejeune bike called the Campeur.
>
> Built with columbus and reynolds tubing. Compass bikes fork crown, 
> reynolds imperial oval blades.
>
> Selling my custom randonneur/touring bike I had built 3 years ago. 
>
> 62cm seat tube - 57cm top tube 
>
> Low trail geometry optimized for a front load.
>
> Tall and short, perfect for tall people with shorter torsos (like me).
>
> I love the bike, but want to do version 2.0 with slightly different sizing 
> and want to start with a clean slate. 
>
> The frame and fork were built in Toronto by a friend. 
>
> You can read about that here: 
>
>
> http://cycleops-into.blogspot.ca/2012/08/650b-project-and-defective-crown.html
>  
>
> http://cycleops-into.blogspot.ca/2012/08/front-triangle.html 
>
> http://cycleops-into.blogspot.ca/2012/09/a-bunch-of-racks.html 
>
> The bike is a 650B randonneuring/touring bike with racks, fenders, lights, 
> etc. 
>
> The bike has some nice ($$$) goodies on it: 
>
> - 3 x 8 drivetrain. SunRingle chainrings with XTR cassette. 
>
> - Dura ace 8 speed bar end shifters. 
>
> - Nitto Noodle 48cm heat treated bar. 
>
> - Nitto tallux stem 7cm. 
>
> - Supernova E3 Pro with matching tail light (brightest out there). Through 
> frame wiring, super clean. Everything soldered and sealed with heat shrink 
> tubing. 
>
> - Light custom mounted on custom randonneur rack to accept a handlebar bag 
> (I never got around to that project). You can buy any one you want and it 
> should mount with a different decaleur. 
>
> - Schmidt dynamo hub (the best on the market) 
>
> - Custom rack system that allows the removal of the front lowrider racks 
> if desired. Everything bolts together. 
>
> - Wheels are 650B Velocity Synergy rims (rear offset). Rear hub is Shimano 
> Tiagra, and front is Schmidt dynamo. 
>
> - Grand Bois Hetre 42c tires. 
>
> - Schwalbe tubes. 
>
> Assembled by an experienced mechanic and kept in great shape. 
>
> In 3 years I had a couple of small falls on streetcar tracks which 
> resulted in scrapes, some to the bike and mostly to my body. 
>
> Get in touch to see the bike. 
>
> Jeremy
>
> road, touring, 650b, custom, reynolds, columbus, hand made, steel, orange, 
> ultegra, dura ace, 105, campagnolo, soma, surly, all city, salsa, trek, 
> giant, specialized, norco, bianchi, raleigh, kona, bridgestone, rivendell, 
> mercian
>
> Jeremy Ross
> Toronto, Canada
>

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[RBW] Re: Do you prefer Adidas Sambas? Or clipless pedals? Both?

2016-04-20 Thread iamkeith

I looked into these a while back.  Pretty good idea but FYI, in case it's 
not obvious, you need a shoe with a removable insole, in order to cover the 
backing plate.

I had hoped to convert some of the super wide Keen sandals, which is all I 
wear for 7 months of the year - at least when I don't need to be 
presentable. (Keen actually makes an ultra-narrow SPD bike sandal, but I 
can't even get them on my feet)  Alas, they are not an option, due to the 
construction.

Still, these are a great option for spread-footed guys like me, since bike 
shoes rarely if ever come in wide enough sizes.


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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread 'Steve D.' via RBW Owners Bunch

 
Yeah... Every now and then I get an oddball carbon-dude chiming in about 
how heavy my Atlantis looks with is 42 mm tires and gen-hub and bar-ends 
and friction shiftin and fat tubing. One friend dubbed my bike a "Bentley." 
Frankly, yes it is. My Atlantis is comfortable to ride on my morning 
commutes to work to Bellevue from Seattle (yeah, I bus across the 520, but 
looking forward to the new bridge's bike line when it opens); rain or 
shine. Honestly, I don't see many of these characters riding in the rain or 
during the dark, morning, freezing winter mornings on the BG; They seem to 
come out in Spring. On sunny days.

Generally, I just smile and go about my way. A few years ago a colleague 
criticized my Atlantis for being too "bulky" and that his carbonish racing 
bike got him from Kenmore to SLU much faster than my old-school bike going 
from NE Seattle to SLU. I tried arguing my point with these mainstream 
dudes on a few occasions. But stopped. It's really pointless, especially 
when you realize that you're just dealing with someone's ego. Besides, 
commuting to work is not a competition. it's more like rondoneuring--you 
gotta be somewhere at a certain time. For me, I'm not fast about it. Maybe 
I average 12 miles per hour. My Atlantis gets me there in comfort. It 
tracks well down hills and through curves when going at speed. It's a 
stable bike. If I need to go fast, the bike performs. No complaints. I just 
enjoy the ride. Whereas, my carbon-fiber friend who called my bike a 
Bentley, cracked his top tube the first day he rode his new La Pierre. Yes. 
he's enamored with the Tour de France look.

A couple of months ago, I loaded my bike onto the bus, and the bus driver 
mentioned how "beautiful" my bike is. There's a lot to be said for lugged 
steal, and she said it. I get this type of comment from a few bus drivers 
now and then.

One morning as I was locking up my bike in the bike locker at work, a guy 
at the other end of the room saw my bike and mentioned that he's been 
"lusting" for a Riv. I love my Atlantis, but I've been lusting for an AHH 
for years now; just can't rationalize having two bikes that's all.

A few weeks ago, I was at a corner in downtown Bellevue waiting for the 
light to change, and a pedestrian wanted to know how many miles I had on my 
bike. I really don't know. I bought the frame new in '03, and rigged it 
with non-aero brake levers with exposed cabling for a look that I enjoy. It 
donned on me that this cat thought my bike was older than it looked. I took 
that as a compliment.

For me, aesthetics and comfort trump technology and speed. Pulling away 
from the carbon-racey-dudes and their egotistic comments speaks volumes. 
Just sayin'. 'Nough said.

-Steve DeMont
Seattle, WA

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Hugh Smitham

Isn't it spring? I thought topics like this were the Winter variety. "Just 
Ride"

On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>
> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect 
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying 
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really 
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!) 
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," 
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few 
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two. 
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs 
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the 
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got 
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how 
> best to deal with people like that. 
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal 
> compared to this joker. How do you respond? 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul MiniMoto Brakes, Shimano ST-R500 Brake/Shift Levers, Nitto Noodle Handlebar, Nitto Stem, Shimano CX70 Front Derailleur, Sugino 46t Chainring

2016-04-20 Thread Matt P.

*Updated with new lower prices!*

Hi everyone,

I recently converted my Hunqapillar from a speedy, drop-bar, slim-tire
configuration to a more comfy, upright, fat tire configuration. I’m very
happy with the final result, but now I have some extra parts laying around
that I would like to sell to offset the costs of the Hunq’s transformation.
All prices include the cost of shipping in the US. Payments through
PayPal are preferred, I will send you the address. Thanks for looking!

-Matt

*Shimano ST-R500 8-Speed STI Flight Deck Lever set (brake/shifters) - $80
for pair*

These brake/shifters can accommodate 2x8 or 3x8 set-ups. I was using it in
my 1x8 set-up, and they even worked great for that. Smooth, clean indexed
shifting. No cables or housings are included.

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163335064.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163420805.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163410770.jpg

*Nitto Noodle Handlebar, 46 cm, heat-treated aluminum - $40*

26.0mm stem clamp diameter. Requires brake levers with a 23.8mm brake
clamp diameter.

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163448241.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163507859.jpg

*Shimano Front Derailleur CX70 (FD-CX70) - $20*

The clamp is 31.8mm but it comes with an aluminum shim for 28.6mm seat
tubes. Bottom pull. Barely used, since I’ve been running a 1x8 set-up. No
cables or housings are included.

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_154154839.jpg

*Paul MiniMoto brakes - SOLD*

*Sugino Chainring, 110x46-tooth - SOLD*

*Nitto Technomic Stem - SOLD*

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Re: [RBW] Leather saddle bleed

2016-04-20 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch

My honey B17 bleeds and has stained a few pair of shorts and MUSA knickers. I 
just got my first black so I don't know yet.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul MiniMoto Brakes, Shimano ST-R500 Brake/Shift Levers, Nitto Noodle Handlebar, Nitto Stem, Shimano CX70 Front Derailleur, Sugino 46t Chainring

2016-04-20 Thread Mark Reimer

Can I pick up those noodles, if you'll ship to canada? 

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 12:31:38 PM UTC-5, Matt P. wrote:
>
> *Updated with new lower prices!*
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I recently converted my Hunqapillar from a speedy, drop-bar, slim-tire 
> configuration to a more comfy, upright, fat tire configuration. I’m very 
> happy with the final result, but now I have some extra parts laying around 
> that I would like to sell to offset the costs of the Hunq’s transformation. 
>  All prices include the cost of shipping in the US.  Payments through 
> PayPal are preferred, I will send you the address.  Thanks for looking!
>
> -Matt
>
> *Shimano ST-R500 8-Speed STI Flight Deck Lever set (brake/shifters) - $80 
> for pair*
>
> These brake/shifters can accommodate 2x8 or 3x8 set-ups.  I was using it 
> in my 1x8 set-up, and they even worked great for that.  Smooth, clean 
> indexed shifting.  No cables or housings are included.
>
>
> http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163335064.jpg
>
>
> http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163420805.jpg
>
>
> http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163410770.jpg
>
> *Nitto Noodle Handlebar, 46 cm, heat-treated aluminum - $40*
>
> 26.0mm stem clamp diameter.  Requires brake levers with a 23.8mm brake 
> clamp diameter.
>
>
> http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163448241.jpg
>
>
> http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163507859.jpg
>
> *Shimano Front Derailleur CX70 (FD-CX70) - $20*
>
> The clamp is 31.8mm but it comes with an aluminum shim for 28.6mm seat 
> tubes.  Bottom pull.  Barely used, since I’ve been running a 1x8 set-up.  No 
> cables or housings are included.
>
>
> http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_154154839.jpg
>
>
> *Paul MiniMoto brakes - SOLD*
>
> *Sugino Chainring, 110x46-tooth - SOLD*
>
> *Nitto Technomic Stem - SOLD*
>

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Ron Mc

as far as the bell thing, every bike here has a bell, for pedestrians, deer 
and squirrels (no kidding).  
Last year, my carbon-bike buddy was hit by a deer and broke his arm and 
collar bone.  
He didn't have a bell and I e-mailed him that he should.  
Deer stop dead in their tracks at the sound of a bike bell, including a 
200lb buck that was charging across my path when I was doing over 40 
downhill (had been followed by a pickup for 3 miles because we were 
exceeding the speed limit)

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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Evan E.

Ron said:  "Evan, we're not bad people."

I agree! I like everybody on this list. And I like bike riders in general. 
My only point is that every time I see a thread such as this one (and I've 
seen scores of them over the years) at least one person mentions how he or 
she dropped/passed a roadie or a Fred. The implication is that it is always 
the "roadie" or "Fred" who was rude or smug or competitive or aggressive or 
envious or dumb or ignorant or condescending. Are other riders sometimes 
not nice? Yes. Do they denigrate us or our bikes? Yes. Does each case 
require context? Of course. But my point remains: each culture (such as 
bicyclists) tends to subdivide into subcultures, and some members -- not 
all of them -- of these subcultures enjoy pointing fingers at the members 
of the other subcultures who are "doing it wrong." It's human nature. No 
big deal. I agree with Hugh: it's springtime! Here's wishing that Julian 
and everyone else on this list has a safe season, with more kindness on the 
roads. 

 




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[RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Ron Mc

always is a really bad word, Evan.  (never, too).  I have a blast when I 
ride and exude kindness.  When I don't get it back is when it feels odd.  

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 1:11:13 PM UTC-5, Evan E. wrote:
>
> Ron said:  "Evan, we're not bad people."
>
> I agree! I like everybody on this list. And I like bike riders in general. 
> My only point is that every time I see a thread such as this one (and I've 
> seen scores of them over the years) at least one person mentions how he or 
> she dropped/passed a roadie or a Fred. The implication is that it is always 
> the "roadie" or "Fred" who was rude or smug or competitive or aggressive or 
> envious or dumb or ignorant or condescending. Are other riders sometimes 
> not nice? Yes. Do they denigrate us or our bikes? Yes. Does each case 
> require context? Of course. But my point remains: each culture (such as 
> bicyclists) tends to subdivide into subcultures, and some members -- not 
> all of them -- of these subcultures enjoy pointing fingers at the members 
> of the other subcultures who are "doing it wrong." It's human nature. No 
> big deal. I agree with Hugh: it's springtime! Here's wishing that Julian 
> and everyone else on this list has a safe season, with more kindness on the 
> roads. 
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Jim Bronson

Old enough to know better, young enough not to care ;)
On Apr 19, 2016 16:49, "IanA"  wrote:

I'd take that over the comments that I get.  My bikes are Riv-like in
set-up. My daily ride is a single-speed and I live in a valley, so hills in
every direction.  I'm 48, most of my hair is grey and I  live in
oil-country (pick-up trucks and guts) and people just can't believe a man
of my age could be riding a bicycle in normal clothes.  People surprisingly
often ask straight-out "hold old ARE you?".  I'm going to have to move
soon.  I'm fed-up with defending mankind's right to be healthy in their
prime.  I wish people would stick to denigrating my ride and leave me out
of it!

There are none so knowledgeable as those with narrow experience.

Ian A/ Alberta Canada


On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 7:42:39 PM UTC-6, Julian wrote:

> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect
> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying
> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really
> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!)
>  rode up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?,"
> "that thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few
> other choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two.
>
> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs
> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the
> right bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got
> fed up and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how
> best to deal with people like that.
>
> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal
> compared to this joker. How do you respond?
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Ron Mc

I don't build/ride bikes for other people - except maybe my daughter.  I 
honestly don't care what they think.  Sometimes have to wonder why.  
A bit of internet searching can often provide answers: 
 
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/bikes-frames-forks/1-reason-why-you-wont-buy-rivendell-bikes-stuff-172393.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread Patrick Kelly

Jumping in here pretty late...

'If you are willing to look at another person’s behavior toward you as
a reflection of the state of their relationship with themselves rather
than a statement about your value as a person, then you will, over a
period of time cease to react at all.' - Yogi Bhajan

But if you do actually want to react, :), here are some responses I'd
have at hand:

* Where do you put your tent and sleeping bag?
* How do you carry groceries on that?
* What do you do with that bike when you run out of pavement?
* Do you like looking like a skunk? (if your own bike has fenders)
* How long do you think that bike will last?
* How can you ride that thing without any suspension? (non-riv-like,
but apropos)
* What's the widest tire you can fit in there?

Riv bikes address a different set of "problems" than racy bikes. For
any kind of bike, you can easily "insult" other kinds of bikes as
failing to address the concerns your bike does address.

Photography provides an excellent metaphor for trade-offs. It's
impossible to create The Perfect Camera for All Situations, because
physics. You cannot have an all-range zoom camera with wide aperture
at all focal lengths that you can carry in your pocket. It's just not
possible. Everything in life involves trade-offs, and it's impossible
to create a thing that addresses all needs, all the time.

I just recently became a riv owner, but I've been lusting after them
for quite a while. My first bike (when I took up cycling again in
2010) was a hybrid bike. People may think that Hawaii is perfect for
cycling, but the infrastructure really is not up to grade (so to
speak). Consequently, I ride routes which are away from the cars as
much as possible. I very quickly learned that my aluminum, skinny
tired (fatter than "race" but still skinny) bike was NOT good for the
riding I was doing. I jumped in the other direction for my next bike
and got a trek 29er hardtail. This was great for riding
anywhere/everywhere but was really more than I needed, too heavy and
not suited to carrying anything, and I wasn't really doing "mountain
biking". There were a few more bikes in the stream before my current
Appaloosa, but the point is that every bike addresses some needs and
not others, and it's too easy to find fault with any bike based on the
needs addressed by another kind of bike. Riv hits the points I need
for my bike, and the riding I do, but it would be pointless for me to
tell somebody else to get one, until I really knew what kind of riding
they're going to do (which very likely is different than what kind of
riding they think they want to do).

cheerios

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Isn't it spring? I thought topics like this were the Winter variety. "Just
> Ride"
>
> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 6:42:39 PM UTC-7, Julian wrote:
>>
>> I was out on my Rambouillet on a club ride on Sunday (a near perfect
>> spring day -- sun, blue skies, temps in upper 70's, little wind), enjoying
>> the day and the company for the most part, until a fellow I do not really
>> know (those who know me consider the Ram comparatively normal for me!)  rode
>> up on a carbon "wonder bike", said "where'd you get that relic?," "that
>> thing must be a tank," "you're making the club look bad," and a few other
>> choice bits accompanied by a chuckle or two.
>>
>> I tried to be polite, pointing out it was not really vintage, that Rivs
>> have great ride characteristics, beautiful aesthetics, that It was the right
>> bike for "me" etc. -- to no avail. After a few minutes of this I got fed up
>> and told him to be quiet and rode away from him. I'm not sure how best to
>> deal with people like that.
>>
>> I get this sort of thing from time to time, but usually really minimal
>> compared to this joker. How do you respond?
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL
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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul MiniMoto Brakes, Shimano ST-R500 Brake/Shift Levers, Nitto Noodle Handlebar, Nitto Stem, Shimano CX70 Front Derailleur, Sugino 46t Chainring

2016-04-20 Thread Matt P.

CX70 Front derailleur has now been SOLD.

Mark, I sent you an email regarding the Noodles.

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[RBW] joe appaloosa photos, registration

2016-04-20 Thread Patrick D Kelly

A bit of slightly off-topic advocacy here. I'd like to encourage 
everybody who hasn't to register their bikes at bikeindex.org. If you don't 
like public registration, that's cool, just make sure you record your 
serial numbers and keep them safe somewhere. Having your serial numbers is 
the most important thing if your bicycle is ever stolen.

I registered my Joe Appaoloosa, and here's the rec: 
https://bikeindex.org/bikes/74159

Here are the photos:

https://flic.kr/p/FwvCWP "century mode"
https://flic.kr/p/GiURFx "a bit much"
https://flic.kr/p/G62LNv "heading out"

I'm participating in the Haleiwa Metric Century ride this coming weekend, 
so I took off all the "extra" bits to streamline a bit. This is not a race, 
but why carry the weight when I don't need to, eh?

The second photo was just a bit of play (there's nothing in the bags). 
If/when I need to carry a TON of stuff, I anticipate putting the backabike 
bags on the surly front rack, and putting ortlieb rolltops on the back 
rack. It's worth noting that it is possible to mount a surly front rack on 
a joe app, but it's kinda funky. The mid-fork eyelets are too high for the 
surly rack, so I had to be a bit creative connecting that bit. (I think I 
figured out the best solution on the 3rd configuration, which is not shown 
in the photo.)

The third photo is when I did actually travel with a load. This worked, but 
is not the optimum loading pattern, IMHO. I just did what had to be done 
with what I had at the time. I rode like this from Sonoma to China Camp 
(about 50 miles) and camped there one night. It rained. In the morning I 
rode the 30ish miles to Embarcadero bart in the rain. It wasn't raining 
hard, just the whole time. I was pretty wet, but I survived.

cheerios

Yet Another Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Annoying unwanted commentary/advice while riding a Rivendell.

2016-04-20 Thread masmojo

Honestly,  it's been my experience that the Freds, "roadies", mamils, etc. 
Don't need anything to make themselves look bad; when I used to race mountain 
bikes some years back, I would go for long excursions on the weekend outside of 
town.  Large groups of lycra clad roadies, would sometimes pass me & I would 
simply be amazed at their audacity and ambivalence towards cars & traffic.  
Typically,  when they passed riding 6 & 7 across thoroughly blocking 1 plus 
lane of a narrow country road, there would be 2 or 3 cars patiently driving 20 
mph behind them and would be making no attempt at all to move over & let them 
by! My thought!? No wonder motorists hate them!
Regarding bells, I have them on most of my bikes now, not so much because I 
like bells, but I found they are the most effective, non-obnoxious way to alert 
people ahead you are coming.  You can ding your bell much earlier then you 
would call (or yell) & the sound of the bell really carries, and is much 
friendlier and cheerful. 
I have always ridden unconventional bikes, but honestly I typically get more 
compliments; here in Texas, people may smirk or make a comment to their riding 
companion,  but they would never even think about being rude to your face. I am 
constantly amazed by people who say "hey, nice bike" or "cool bike"; 
occasionally I think they are being condescending,  but I play along and 
usually find that they actually know what it is I am riding and they are being 
sincere. ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Will Rosco see the light of day?

2016-04-20 Thread masmojo

I am a couple months off of being able to get one, if not for that I might have 
jumped in!? Maybe one of the spares could fall in my lap in a few months.?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul MiniMoto Brakes, Shimano ST-R500 Brake/Shift Levers, Nitto Noodle Handlebar, Nitto Stem, Shimano CX70 Front Derailleur, Sugino 46t Chainring

2016-04-20 Thread Matt P.

*Updated with new prices!*

Noodle handlebar can only be shipped with the US (due to large package
size).

Hi everyone,

-Matt

*Shimano ST-R500 8-Speed STI Flight Deck Lever set (brake/shifters) - $75
for pair*

These brake/shifters can accommodate 2x8 or 3x8 set-ups. I was using it in
my 1x8 set-up, and they even worked great for that. Smooth, clean indexed
shifting. No cables or housings are included.

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163335064.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163420805.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163410770.jpg

*Nitto Noodle Handlebar, 46 cm, heat-treated aluminum - $45*

26.0mm stem clamp diameter. Requires brake levers with a 23.8mm brake
clamp diameter.

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163448241.jpg

http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z380/Cayuga/Bike%20parts%20for%20sale/IMG_20160413_163507859.jpg

*Paul MiniMoto brakes - SOLD*

*Sugino Chainring, 110x46-tooth - SOLD*

*Nitto Technomic Stem - SOLD*

*Shimano Front Derailleur CX70 - SOLD*

[RBW] Re: FS: Paul MiniMoto Brakes, Shimano ST-R500 Brake/Shift Levers, Nitto Noodle Handlebar, Nitto Stem, Shimano CX70 Front Derailleur, Sugino 46t Chainring

2016-04-20 Thread Matt P.

*Updated with new prices!*

Noodle handlebar can only be shipped within the US (due to large package
size).