[RBW] WTT: My 60cm Rambouillet for your 62cm Rambouillet

[rw1911]

Is your Ram just a little too big?  Would you be interested in trading your 
62 for a 60?  I could do complete or just the frame set. Email me and we 
can discuss.

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[RBW] Re: FYI: Saluki on Ebay

[islaysteve]

Thanks so much to the folks here who alerted us the Bike Index!  I wasn't 
aware of the merging of the two services and I have just finished 
registering all of my family's bikes.  It would be so awesome if this 
Saluki is returned to the owner with the help of this group, I hope that we 
will get an update.  As an aside, I can't believe that some owners don't 
record their serial numbers, let alone register them locally or nationally. 
 I sent mine in to Riv when they were offering a registration service a 
while back, but I don't know if that is being maintained; haven't heard 
anything about it.  I tried to register my Bleriot on the old Bleriot 
datebase, but it appears that it is now defunct.  My frame is on there, but 
registered under the previous owner's name.  

On Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 1:07:10 PM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>
> I'm sure most folks have searches on ebay, this one popped up this morning 
> and it's interesting/odd to me.  From the seller, looks to be a 
> non-bikeshop (maybe a pawnshop?) so i don't trust the sizing and there are 
> no measurements (though from the pics, it looks to be a 54-56).
>
> One odd thing, i did not know these ever came with threadless stems.  and 
> from the (poor) pictures, there is a locknut under the stem.  Would that 
> even fit if you went from 1" threaded to 1" threadless?  
>
> Maybe i need another cup of coffee, this just looked odd to me.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for helmet/head rain covers?

[Doug Williams]

I don't like hoods that block my vision when I'm trying to scan behind me. 
I haven't tried it, but I think the Grundens rain hat would not block your 
vision.

If you wear a helmet (and maybe you want to if you are mixing it up with 
SUV's in the rain) I like this one:

https://www.taigaworks.ca/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=66

It fits over you helmet, doesn't block you vision, and even has a loop to 
attach your red light. I attach my take-a-look mirror to my helmet and the 
taiga doesn't interfere with it. I don't always bike with a helmet, mirror, 
and red light on my head. But if it is dark and rainy in heavy traffic...it 
is time to pull out all the stops.


Doug



On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 5:29:02 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

> Rivendell fans would do well to take Grant's advise and wear a Grundens 
>  in a hard rain.  Keeps your 
> gourd dry.  Bright yellow colors enhance visibility in the gloom.
>
> On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 1:18:19 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Next in the series.
>> What works for you in downpours on long rides?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Mashley Overnight #2 New Brighton.

[Wayne Naha]

Looks like a great trip.  Awesome pictures.  But what's with grilling the 
banana?

On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 9:34:52 PM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> On my first bike tour down the coast one of our last stops was at New 
> Brighton. 
>
> A magical place where the hiker/biker campsite sit above a bluff with a 
> short trail down the the beach where campfires and beautiful ocean await.
>
> I always known from that moment that place was special. Last year reality 
> came true when I got to propose to my wife near that same spot I camped 
> alone those so many year ago.
>
> We return a year later but this time by bike!
>
>
> One thing you need to know about my wife is that she never really grew up 
> going outside. So to even get her outside on a bike let alone camping is a 
> huge deal.
>
> We did a super short trip with mid-ride ice cream stoppage.
>
> Got to the campground early so enjoyed the beach with the family. 
>
> Once camped share smores and we dropped the few hot dogs we had in the 
> fire.
>
> Love that we got to share the place together.
>
> Pictures Proved that Tandem Camping is still pretty hard:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskgpidBP
>
> Mashley
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for helmet/head rain covers?

[Deacon Patrick]

Doug, a properly fitting/adjusted mountaineering hood moves with the head, 
allowing vision when turning my head to look behind. A poorly fitting or 
adjusted one does block exactly as you describe.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 8:50:42 AM UTC-6, Doug Williams wrote:
>
> I don't like hoods that block my vision when I'm trying to scan behind me. 
> I haven't tried it, but I think the Grundens rain hat would not block your 
> vision.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for helmet/head rain covers?

[Marc Irwin]

I use a Jannd Helmet cover with my Grunden's cape.  The helmet cover makes 
a convenient saddle cover when the bike is parked.

Marc

On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 2:18:19 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Next in the series.
> What works for you in downpours on long rides?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Country Bike Rally in Michigan 2015

[Marc Irwin]

> It's less than two weeks away!   A reminder, there are 5 of us camping and 
>>> there is room for two more if anybody makes last minute plans.  We have 4 
>>> or 5 joining us who are driving in for the ride on Saturday.  I expect to 
>>> have a great weekend.
>>
>>
Marc 

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[RBW] Re: Mashley Overnight #2 New Brighton.

[Bill Lindsay]

Fantastic.  That's my favorite Wedding Program in the history of weddings.  

I have a few ideas for propping up your huge Wald basket.  Let me know if 
you want to talk about it

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 6:34:52 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> On my first bike tour down the coast one of our last stops was at New 
> Brighton. 
>
> A magical place where the hiker/biker campsite sit above a bluff with a 
> short trail down the the beach where campfires and beautiful ocean await.
>
> I always known from that moment that place was special. Last year reality 
> came true when I got to propose to my wife near that same spot I camped 
> alone those so many year ago.
>
> We return a year later but this time by bike!
>
>
> One thing you need to know about my wife is that she never really grew up 
> going outside. So to even get her outside on a bike let alone camping is a 
> huge deal.
>
> We did a super short trip with mid-ride ice cream stoppage.
>
> Got to the campground early so enjoyed the beach with the family. 
>
> Once camped share smores and we dropped the few hot dogs we had in the 
> fire.
>
> Love that we got to share the place together.
>
> Pictures Proved that Tandem Camping is still pretty hard:
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskgpidBP
>
> Mashley
>

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[RBW] 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[Surlyprof]

I wouldn't use gorilla glue or pressure unless the crack was caused by being 
hit.   Gorilla glue depends on moisture on one side of the wood and dry on the 
other.  You don't have that access to your gluing surface. Plus, gorilla glue 
(or any polyurethane glue) foams up and makes a mess and turns your fingers 
black for a week or so. If it is from a hit, I'd use titebond 3 and clamp 
lightly.

If the crack just appeared, it may be a natural occurrence and might be 
destined to recrack (maybe in a new spot) if glued with pressure.  Wood's an 
organic material susceptible to changes in humidity so it can crack (called 
checking in woodworking) as it expands and contracts and tries to find a 
neutral balance.  Whenever I have a board that checks, I work super glue into 
the crack using paper or foil to work it into the crack, particularly the ends. 
Then, quickly wipe up any excess very well with a rag or 600 grit sandpaper. 
That should stabilize the wood to stop further cracking.  If you have access to 
the backside of the crack, you can use gap-filling super glue or epoxy and then 
use a vacuum hose to suck the glue into the crack.

If you don't like seeing the crack, you can blend it in with wood putty after 
it is glued.  You may want to experiment with color.  A darker color may look 
more like part of the woodgrain.

John "my other passion is woodworking" McClusky

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[RBW] 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[Surlyprof]

One more thing... make sure you are using panhead screws.  Countersink screws 
will work like a wedge to crack it more.

John

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[RBW] Re: 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the glue tips. I may do that -- I do have some good wood glue.
But then again, I may just install the TA crank with a 50 t ring since I
have a second spare set of arms sitting around.

Does anyone know the standard spindle for a Pro 5 Vis single and a 120 OL
rear? I use 113s for my Rivs, but both those are 126 and 130 respectively.
I can use the stock spindle, but I have a Phil 113 lying around.

Choices, choices.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 1. I need a standard fixed, left-hand thread lockring. Would prefer to
> trade for a fixed cog; have 14, 15, 16 and probably others. Failing trades,
> cash if cheap. Failing cheap, let me know what you have and what you want.
>
> 2. See photo. The nice but, admittedly twee, wooden chainguard from my
> newtome Dahon Hon Solo is cracked; look at the section around the bottom
> most bolt hole. The cracks don't quite go all the way through.
>
> Is there a way to regain material integrity here? The wood is very thin; I
> think of some sort of glued-on backing, but I don't want to make it look
> ugly.
>
> Perhaps I should just change the crankset - there's an efficient fix!
>
> Thanks. Enjoy the richly ripe mid-Victorian smug and twee literary
> reference.
>
> Out flew the web and floated wide-
> The mirror crack'd from side to side;
> "The curse is come upon me," cried
> The Lady of Shalott.
>
> Patrick Moore, who blushes to admit that he finds at least a few Tennyson
> lines appealing, in ABQ, NM.
>
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>
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> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
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>
>



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[RBW] Re: 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[David Banzer]

Your other Riv's are single/fixed, correct? If so, chainline should be the 
same I believe for 120/126/130, with 126 & 130 having more spacers on the 
axle. I think it's 135mm specific SS hubs that may require a different 
chainline.
David 
Chicago

On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 11:21:46 AM UTC-5, bertin753 wrote:
>
> Thanks for the glue tips. I may do that -- I do have some good wood glue. 
> But then again, I may just install the TA crank with a 50 t ring since I 
> have a second spare set of arms sitting around.
>
> Does anyone know the standard spindle for a Pro 5 Vis single and a 120 OL 
> rear? I use 113s for my Rivs, but both those are 126 and 130 respectively. 
> I can use the stock spindle, but I have a Phil 113 lying around.
>
> Choices, choices.
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> 1. I need a standard fixed, left-hand thread lockring. Would prefer to 
>> trade for a fixed cog; have 14, 15, 16 and probably others. Failing trades, 
>> cash if cheap. Failing cheap, let me know what you have and what you want. 
>>
>> 2. See photo. The nice but, admittedly twee, wooden chainguard from my 
>> newtome Dahon Hon Solo is cracked; look at the section around the bottom 
>> most bolt hole. The cracks don't quite go all the way through.
>>
>> Is there a way to regain material integrity here? The wood is very thin; 
>> I think of some sort of glued-on backing, but I don't want to make it look 
>> ugly.
>>
>> Perhaps I should just change the crankset - there's an efficient fix!
>>
>> Thanks. Enjoy the richly ripe mid-Victorian smug and twee literary 
>> reference.
>>
>> Out flew the web and floated wide-
>> The mirror crack'd from side to side;
>> "The curse is come upon me," cried
>> The Lady of Shalott.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who blushes to admit that he finds at least a few Tennyson 
>> lines appealing, in ABQ, NM.
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>>
>> *
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
>> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto
>>  
>>
>
>
>
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> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
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>  
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[RBW] Re: 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[Peter Adler]

Specialites T.A.'s 1973 and 1983 catalogs list the ref:314 (ISO) track 
spindle as 111.5mm.

TA 1973 Catalog 

TA 1983 Catalog 


Phil's 113 is JIS, right? If that's the case, it would be the equivalent of 
an ISO 117.5mm, roughly TA's length for a Pro V double. If you're going to 
attempt track-ish chainline with Pro V+JIS spindle, you're looking for 
something in the 107-109mm range.

Peter

On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 9:21:46 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks for the glue tips. I may do that -- I do have some good wood glue. 
> But then again, I may just install the TA crank with a 50 t ring since I 
> have a second spare set of arms sitting around.
>
> Does anyone know the standard spindle for a Pro 5 Vis single and a 120 OL 
> rear? I use 113s for my Rivs, but both those are 126 and 130 respectively. 
> I can use the stock spindle, but I have a Phil 113 lying around.
>

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[RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Comotion001]

I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I like 
the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently riding. 
 I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to hear 
feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Parts Bin Clean Out

[Sean Wheeler]

John-

It's 32h/130mm, there is a description with details of each part beneath
every picture.

Let me know, thanks

Sean



On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 12:23 PM, John Hawrylak 
wrote:

> What is the OLD of the 105 cassette hub?  How many spokes???
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[johnboy]

I would strip any finish off the back side and lay a layer of glass or 
(heavens forbid ) carbon fiber cloth into epoxy. West GFlex is strong and 
allows some working time, 5 minute is usually a bit thick and obviously has 
short working time. squeegee the epoxy into the cloth and get good contact 
with wood. Then clamp the guard to a piece of plywood covered with packing 
tape ( acts to keep epoxy from sticking to ply)  The idea is to press the 
epoxy saturated cloth to the wood and get a smooth surface on the chain 
side of the guard. Let cure over night and unclamp . Sand , file as needed 
to clean up. Be careful when clamping that the cloth does not slime out of 
position and don't over clamp. Also warming the epoxy will make it saturate 
the cloth easier. Good luck, John

On Saturday, September 12, 2015 at 2:58:27 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 1. I need a standard fixed, left-hand thread lockring. Would prefer to 
> trade for a fixed cog; have 14, 1 5, 16 and probably others. Failing 
> trades, cash if cheap. Failing cheap, let me know what you have and what 
> you want. 
>
> 2. See photo. The nice but, admittedly twee, wooden chainguard from my 
> newtome Dahon Hon Solo is cracked; look at the section around the bottom 
> most bolt hole. The cracks don't quite go all the way through.
>
> Is there a way to regain material integrity here? The wood is very thin; I 
> think of some sort of glued-on backing, but I don't want to make it look 
> ugly.
>
> Perhaps I should just change the crankset - there's an efficient fix!
>
> Thanks. Enjoy the richly ripe mid-Victorian smug and twee literary 
> reference.
>
> Out flew the web and floated wide-
> The mirror crack'd from side to side;
> "The curse is come upon me," cried
> The Lady of Shalott.
>
> Patrick Moore, who blushes to admit that he finds at least a few Tennyson 
> lines appealing, in ABQ, NM.
>
> -- 
>
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> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>
> *
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
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>  
>

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[RBW] Re: 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[Roger Blake]

It looks fixable with wood glue. It need to clamped and requires shaped 
wood cauls. 

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> 1. I need a standard fixed, left-hand thread lockring. Would prefer to 
> trade for a fixed cog; have 14, 15, 16 and probably others. Failing trades, 
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>
> 2. See photo. The nice but, admittedly twee, wooden chainguard from my 
> newtome Dahon Hon Solo is cracked; look at the section around the bottom 
> most bolt hole. The cracks don't quite go all the way through.
>
> Is there a way to regain material integrity here? The wood is very thin; I 
> think of some sort of glued-on backing, but I don't want to make it look 
> ugly.
>
> Perhaps I should just change the crankset - there's an efficient fix!
>
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[RBW] WTB: 64cm STT atlantis

[Sarah Bogdanovich]

Wanted frame or complete. Please email details, thanks!

jeffbogdanov...@hotmail.com

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[cyclotourist]

If you have the line on a used one, get it!

They ride wonderfully. My favorite bike. The gear changing procedure is a
breeze, although I think most QB owners end up keeping it in a single ratio
most the time. Very versatile. Able to haul things around town, meander
through the country, hit the local trails.

Really, if you have the opportunity, take it. I think you'll love the bike,
and if not, you can re-sell and not lose any money. QBs don't depreciate.
May actually be one of the few bike to actually appreciate a bit.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Comotion001 
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> I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I like
> the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently riding.
> I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to hear
> feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Esteban]

I agree with David - easily my favorite Riv, not only because of the fun of 
ss, but it just rides lively, solid, and fun like when you're a kid. Can't 
explain it, but jump on a QB for sure.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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>
> I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I like 
> the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently riding. 
>  I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to hear 
> feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill
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[RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[dougP]

Comotion: understand that David is not entirely rational about Quickbeams. He's 
actually hoarding them. Note his comment about ease of re-sale.

Dougp

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[RBW] Re: Mashley Overnight #2 New Brighton.

[dougP]

It's the load that Manny puts in the basket. 

Dougp

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for helmet/head rain covers?

[Matthew J]

> but I think the Grundens rain hat would not block your vision.

Does not for me anyway.

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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Patrick Moore]

How does the QB handle on pavement compared to the Ram, or to the Roadeo?
On dirt compared to a good NORBA rigid MTB?

When I first took the '03 out on dirt this morning it felt, in comparison
to the Fargo, too "upright" in the front -- the front end seemed too ready
to "plow" in sandy spots; and this not merely because of the 28.5 mm, 55
psi tire.

But after 10 miles on this dirt, it started to feel much more natural.
Chauncey is, God willing, making me a split between the F and the '03:
slightly slacker in front than a road bike is.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 12:38 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> If you have the line on a used one, get it!
>
> They ride wonderfully. My favorite bike. The gear changing procedure is a
> breeze, although I think most QB owners end up keeping it in a single ratio
> most the time. Very versatile. Able to haul things around town, meander
> through the country, hit the local trails.
>
> Really, if you have the opportunity, take it. I think you'll love the
> bike, and if not, you can re-sell and not lose any money. QBs don't
> depreciate. May actually be one of the few bike to actually appreciate a
> bit.
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Comotion001 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I
>> like the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently
>> riding.  I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to
>> hear feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill
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[RBW] Re: Mashley Overnight #2 New Brighton.

[Bill Lindsay]

dougP

You are absolutely right.  If Manny stops putting loads in his baskets, his 
baskets will be less likely to bend.  If he stops riding his bikes 
altogether, the lifespan of a lot of his equipment will be extended.  

I'm operating on the assumption that Manny is going to both continue 
riding, and will continue carrying loads.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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> It's the load that Manny puts in the basket. 
>
> Dougp
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[RBW] Wtb nitto mini front rack

[subfascia]

I am looking for a nitto mini front rack, cosmetics not a concern. Offers off 
list please. 

Thanks
Jason
SF, CA 

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[RBW] Re: Wtb nitto mini front rack

[Pondero]

Jason,

I've got an extra Nitto M12 in good shape I'll sale for $50 shipped CONUS.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas


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>
>
> I am looking for a nitto mini front rack, cosmetics not a concern. Offers 
> off list please. 
>
> Thanks 
> Jason 
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[RBW] Re: Mashley Overnight #2 New Brighton.

[dougP]

"I'm operating on the assumption that Manny is going to both continue 
riding, and will continue carrying *humungous *loads."  That's a given.  

dougP 

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>
> dougP
>
> You are absolutely right.  If Manny stops putting loads in his baskets, 
> his baskets will be less likely to bend.  If he stops riding his bikes 
> altogether, the lifespan of a lot of his equipment will be extended.  
>
> I'm operating on the assumption that Manny is going to both continue 
> riding, and will continue carrying loads.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 12:15:31 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> It's the load that Manny puts in the basket. 
>>
>> Dougp
>>
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[RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Pondero]

I agree with both David and Esteban.  To me it feels light, neutral, with a 
subtle spring in its step that is versatile, delightful, and hard to describe.  
I enjoy telling people that Quickbeams are magic.  I usually ride mine fixed 
and have that whole connected-to-bike-and-terrain thing going on.  This spring, 
however, I put a three speed IGH on it and did a short fully loaded tour...and 
it performed admirably.  Reluctantly, I'm selling my Atlantis, but I can't 
imagine parting with my Quickbeam.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Deacon Patrick]

Spectacular!

With abandon,
Patrick

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>
> I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I like 
> the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently riding. 
>  I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to hear 
> feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[dstein]

Agreed on all the above. The quickbeam is the one bike I'd have a hard time 
parting with and I imagine will be in the stable for a long time. I had it 
setup as a road bike for a short bit, but now is handling commuting and kid 
carrying duties (with a yepp mini). 

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[Chris Cullum]

There's a bunch of good fix info but it seems to me that wood is a pretty
questionable material to use for a chain guard.
On Sep 12, 2015 2:58 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:

> 1. I need a standard fixed, left-hand thread lockring. Would prefer to
> trade for a fixed cog; have 14, 15, 16 and probably others. Failing trades,
> cash if cheap. Failing cheap, let me know what you have and what you want.
>
> 2. See photo. The nice but, admittedly twee, wooden chainguard from my
> newtome Dahon Hon Solo is cracked; look at the section around the bottom
> most bolt hole. The cracks don't quite go all the way through.
>
> Is there a way to regain material integrity here? The wood is very thin; I
> think of some sort of glued-on backing, but I don't want to make it look
> ugly.
>
> Perhaps I should just change the crankset - there's an efficient fix!
>
> Thanks. Enjoy the richly ripe mid-Victorian smug and twee literary
> reference.
>
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[RBW] FS: 60CM Cheviot Frame $675

[Mike OShea]

FS: 60CM Cheviot Frame $675.00
I'm selling my 60 cm orange Cheviot frame/fork/headset/BB. Frame is too 
large for my wife. The frame was purchased new from Rivendell on 6/15. 
There is less than 200 miles on frame. The frame is blemished. According to 
Keven at Rivendell, "The middle (mite) seat stay was brazed too far inboard 
making it possible for the chain to tap on it when you are riding the 
largest front chain ring and smallest rear cog. We removed enough material 
to prevent that from happening. It doesn't have any effect on the overall 
integrity or longevity of the frame. It's purely aesthetic and hardly 
visible".
I tried to touch up with nail polish but my color match is not very good. I 
try to show it in the photos. The frame has a few chips at wheel dropouts 
and rack braze-ons. Again I try to show this in the pictures. No dings or 
dents. Overall excellent condition. $675.00 plus $50.00 shipping (Bike 
Flights) Continental US. Paypal preferred. Please contact off list. Thanks, 
Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wtb nitto mini front rack

[subfascia]

Chris,

Thanks for the offer but this is going on a 559 wheeled mtb and I think the 
brake hole to canti-mount spacing is too long for the m12.

Jason



> On Sep 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Pondero  wrote:
> 
> Jason,
> 
> I've got an extra Nitto M12 in good shape I'll sale for $50 shipped CONUS.
> 
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 3:25:33 PM UTC-5, Jason Leach wrote:
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>> I am looking for a nitto mini front rack, cosmetics not a concern. Offers 
>> off list please. 
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> Jason 
>> SF, CA
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[RBW] WTB - Nitto M1 Rack (Mark's Rack)

[John Hawrylak]

WTB - Nitto M1 Rack (Mark's Rack) - Need all parts, including clamps.  PM me

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wtb nitto mini front rack

[Philip Kim]

I have the m12 on my 559 mtb...

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Minh]

As you will see those of us that have kept a qb or s1 will echo the same thing, 
we don't know why but its likely the last bike we'd sell. 

I can't guarantee that you will get it, but if you do its a really great bike.  

I have a hillborne that is nearly identical in dimensions but there is 
something about my qb. 

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[RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Philip Williamson]

Get it. My QB is my favorite.

I've ridden it on road, off-road, commuting, 40 miles at a whack... It's just 
great. Mostly fixed, but I've experimented with freewheels and internal hubs 
(Sachs automatic), and it's all great.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[dougP]

".. there is something about my qb." 

Scroll to the second post from the very top, where Jim talks about a new SS 
from Rivendell.  Last post is a year ago.  Anyone know what happened here?  
Possible got pushed aside for the Clem project?  In any case, there is a 
passionate following for the Quickbeam.  

dougP

On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 5:27:19 PM UTC-7, Minh wrote:
>
> As you will see those of us that have kept a qb or s1 will echo the same 
> thing, we don't know why but its likely the last bike we'd sell. 
>
> I can't guarantee that you will get it, but if you do its a really great 
> bike.  
>
> I have a hillborne that is nearly identical in dimensions but there is 
> something about my qb. 
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Re: [RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Robert F. Harrison]

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 8:38 AM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> They ride wonderfully. My favorite bike. The gear changing procedure is a
> breeze, although I think most QB owners end up keeping it in a single ratio
> most the time.


Absolutely agreejust got off mine a few minutes ago after running 10
miles of errands around town. I "graduated" to single-ratio after a year or
two, though I'm glad I still have the option "just in case."

I also own a Hunq, which I love (and may even ride more because of the
setup - shopping, camping, etc), but every time I get on the QB I wonder
why I wasn't riding it the day before as well.

I've ridden in on good pavement, bad pavement, and the equivalent of fire
roads, though no single track, and about the only change I tend to make is
air pressure in the tires.

If you can get a QB get it. As other's have said, you won't lose money on
it.

Mine is just about due for a cockpit change. I've gone from original
mustaches to albas and now? Hmmm...still thinking it over but as I have to
change the cork grips and it looks like time for a recabling, I may as well
go all in.

Aloha,

Bob


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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Deacon Patrick]

I'm at a keyboard and can respond more fully now. Mine is my country bike, 
with my Hunqapillar as my trail and bikepacking bike. There is a 
contemplative flow to the single speed, and I suspect more specifically to 
the Quickbeam due to Grant's gifts of design, that makes every ride on it a 
dream of soaring delight. I live in the Colorado mountains and would never 
have considered a single speed for this area, but with the gearing I have, 
I happy take on any road ride and many trails too. Naturally, I ride trails 
differently with the QB than the Hunqapillar and both are a blast, but the 
QB is underbiking at it's glorious best on trails. If something is too 
steep for my to ride up, I always have LCG (lowest common gear) with me and 
hoof it to the top. Grin.

I will voice my minority opinion that my QB is not the last bike I would 
sell. That would be my Hunqapillar as I bikepack too much. There are, 
however, many other things I would sell before letting go my beloved QB.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] 2 things: 1: ISO/WTT for fixed gear lockring; 2: How to fix wood chain guard?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks to all. As I posted elsewhere, I solved the problem by installing
the Pro 5 Vis.

If anyone wants the cheap, swaged OEM single crank (46 t) and the unglued
guard, he/she can have it for postage.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Chris Cullum 
wrote:

> There's a bunch of good fix info but it seems to me that wood is a pretty
> questionable material to use for a chain guard.
> On Sep 12, 2015 2:58 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
>> 1. I need a standard fixed, left-hand thread lockring. Would prefer to
>> trade for a fixed cog; have 14, 15, 16 and probably others. Failing trades,
>> cash if cheap. Failing cheap, let me know what you have and what you want.
>>
>> 2. See photo. The nice but, admittedly twee, wooden chainguard from my
>> newtome Dahon Hon Solo is cracked; look at the section around the bottom
>> most bolt hole. The cracks don't quite go all the way through.
>>
>> Is there a way to regain material integrity here? The wood is very thin;
>> I think of some sort of glued-on backing, but I don't want to make it look
>> ugly.
>>
>> Perhaps I should just change the crankset - there's an efficient fix!
>>
>> Thanks. Enjoy the richly ripe mid-Victorian smug and twee literary
>> reference.
>>
>> Out flew the web and floated wide-
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[RBW] Racks for the Clem

[Wayne Naha]

Hello folks,
I am contemplating some racks for my upcoming Clem, and I'd love to get 
recommendations for some economic, hard working front and rear racks.  Up 
until now, my sights were set on the Pletscher rack from Riv.  But after 
some looking around, this one from Velo Orange caught my eye: Dajia 
Cycleworks Stainless Steel Rear Expedition Rack 
.
 
 Anyone ever use this?  Only $20 more than the Pletscher, and stainless 
steel to boot!  Alas, there is no matching front rack, but the VO 
Constructeur Front Rack 

 seems 
nice.  I really like the VO Porteur Rack 
,
 
but it is a little pricey.  Also, given that the Clem has (I am assuming 
here) a mid-to-high trail fork, is it practical to put so much load on the 
front?  Does "low trail = big front load" imply "high trail = mostly rear 
load"?  I would be using this mainly for errand running and grocery 
getting.  No long tours planned, but the racks should be applicable for 
that as well.  Has anyone else considered how best to rack and load the 
Clem or Clementine?  I'd love to hear thoughts, suggestions, etc.  Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Justin August]

I recently sold my SimpleOne.

I truly, deeply, honestly loved that bike. For a few reasons, related to 
wheel size (I don't like the feeling of fat 35+ tires on 700c) and wedding 
funds, I have made peace with the sale. Will I create a SingleSpeed bike 
from a 650b Riv in the future? Cheviot? My Saluki? Yes, almost definitely. 
I think that Grant's designs make beautiful "set it and forget it" bikes 
that a SS/Fixed setup embodies.

-J

On Sunday, September 13, 2015 at 6:25:55 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'm at a keyboard and can respond more fully now. Mine is my country bike, 
> with my Hunqapillar as my trail and bikepacking bike. There is a 
> contemplative flow to the single speed, and I suspect more specifically to 
> the Quickbeam due to Grant's gifts of design, that makes every ride on it a 
> dream of soaring delight. I live in the Colorado mountains and would never 
> have considered a single speed for this area, but with the gearing I have, 
> I happy take on any road ride and many trails too. Naturally, I ride trails 
> differently with the QB than the Hunqapillar and both are a blast, but the 
> QB is underbiking at it's glorious best on trails. If something is too 
> steep for my to ride up, I always have LCG (lowest common gear) with me and 
> hoof it to the top. Grin.
>
> I will voice my minority opinion that my QB is not the last bike I would 
> sell. That would be my Hunqapillar as I bikepack too much. There are, 
> however, many other things I would sell before letting go my beloved QB.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Eunice Chang]

I have 2 riv's- AHH and QB. I love them both, but I purposefully built QB
to be a bit different from AHH (less racks, thinner tires, lighter). QB is
my bike of choice for longer commutes/rides that don't require me to carry
anything. What everyone says is true- there's something about QB that is
pure magic. I don't know how to describe it - it's more of a feeling and a
state of being. it might just have been the right time, but QB was the bike
that really, really helped me be more confident about biking, especially in
traffic. It's incredibly stable, handles well, and manages to distinguish
itself from other bikes, while at the same time seamlessly becoming an
indispensable part of you.

I think the only time I'll ever sell a QB is if I really can't ride it
anymore. That will be a very sad day.

-E.


On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 9:25 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I'm at a keyboard and can respond more fully now. Mine is my country bike,
> with my Hunqapillar as my trail and bikepacking bike. There is a
> contemplative flow to the single speed, and I suspect more specifically to
> the Quickbeam due to Grant's gifts of design, that makes every ride on it a
> dream of soaring delight. I live in the Colorado mountains and would never
> have considered a single speed for this area, but with the gearing I have,
> I happy take on any road ride and many trails too. Naturally, I ride trails
> differently with the QB than the Hunqapillar and both are a blast, but the
> QB is underbiking at it's glorious best on trails. If something is too
> steep for my to ride up, I always have LCG (lowest common gear) with me and
> hoof it to the top. Grin.
>
> I will voice my minority opinion that my QB is not the last bike I would
> sell. That would be my Hunqapillar as I bikepack too much. There are,
> however, many other things I would sell before letting go my beloved QB.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] September 20 Marin Headlands/Pre Rivendell picnic ride

[dstein]

Quick heads up to anyone who is not watching the Bay Area Rivendell Riders 
Group, there is a 9/20 Marin headlands ride starting at 9:30 from the ferry 
building (in front of Gott's) and ending around 1-ish at Crissy Field for 
the Rivendell Bicycle Picnic from 1-4 featured on the Blug. First version 
of the route here: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/10349080. Totally open to 
suggestions for anyone joining that knows the area better than I do. PM if 
interested in meeting up.

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Re: [RBW] September 20 Marin Headlands/Pre Rivendell picnic ride

[David Stein]

Forgot to mention: mixed terrain.


> On Sep 13, 2015, at 9:08 PM, dstein  wrote:
> 
> Quick heads up to anyone who is not watching the Bay Area Rivendell Riders 
> Group, there is a 9/20 Marin headlands ride starting at 9:30 from the ferry 
> building (in front of Gott's) and ending around 1-ish at Crissy Field for the 
> Rivendell Bicycle Picnic from 1-4 featured on the Blug. First version of the 
> route here: http://ridewithgps.com/routes/10349080. Totally open to 
> suggestions for anyone joining that knows the area better than I do. PM if 
> interested in meeting up.
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[RBW] Indian Head Century in Indian Head, MD

[Lungimsam]

I signed up for the 100. But we got there late and were concerned about not 
making the rest stops, so we just did the 70 mile route.

*The weather and clothes:*
The weather was about 70's-90's. Hot and humid. Bright blue skies with some 
clouds made for a beautiful day. I wore a 
jackpot-found-for-less-than-4$-at-a-Goodwill Ibex wool t-shirt, and wool 
3/4 tights that I scored on clearance on Ibex site last winter. I've had 
the shirt for a couple years now and it is getting some small holes in it. 
My wife fingernail polished them or something like that to keep them from 
getting any bigger. Nike sneakers. Cotton socks. Summer Gloves. Helmet made 
in 2009, I think.

*The Ride:*
The 70 route is the same route as the 100, but eliminates a thirty mile 
loop that splits off the 70 course. I hopefully will do the 100 next year.
Run by the Oxon Hill Bike club. The full 100 has ~3240 feet 
climbing/elevation? Not sure what the diff in those terms means, or if they 
are the same.
A handful of short-ish, steep hills. The rest of the ride was gently 
rolling southern Maryland country road and shouldered country highway 
terrain. Beautiful.
The last rest stop is at mile 89 mark on the century map, I guess 59 on the 
70 route. If you make it to there, you can recovery spin the last almost 
totally flat miles to the finish if you are tired. At least on the 70 route 
you could. There was a beautiful new looking MUP for about 5 miles at the 
end that was flat and wide. As soon as you pop out at the end of it you are 
about .2 miles from the end.
Traffic was light and the car drivers were friendly, even one slowing to 
ask me about the event. This is probably a good step up into a century with 
some hills if you are used to flat centuries and don't want anything too 
hard, but want to try a century that isn't flat. I would guess that upwards 
of 1000 people were there. When I was at one of the latter rest stops they 
said they counted about 575 people who came through so far.

I am so glad that this century is offered. And only $30 to register and 
close to home!!!
More info about the ride here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/albums/72157658179109169
I think Palinscar and Joan from this forum are involved in this ride or 
have been in the past. I saw a woman at the finish picnic who looked like 
she could have been Joan (from pics I have seen on this forum of her) but 
wasn't sure and I was too shy to ask.
Starts at a beautiful park with plenty of parking and the walk up tables to 
get wrist bands (no numbers for riders) were lickity split fast and very 
friendly service.

*The bikes:*
I saw no Rivendells that I was aware of Bummer. But I did see some 
other lugged steel. One was Japanese. Started with an H. "Hiroki"?!?! It 
was pink.
No Palinscars or Joans that I met along the way.
I saw more titanium than ever I am aware of seeing on an organized ride. 
Moots, and Sevens, and Litespeeds.
Maybe one recumbent?
No banana bikes.
Lotsa alu/carbon
One guy was on a gigantic bright blue cruiser bike. I think there were 
tassels hanging from the grips.
I think I may have seen one tandem.
I was on my 53 Bleriot.

*The pictures:*
Just a few. I'll post a video clip later.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/albums/72157658179109169

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[RBW] Quickbeam Riding Charactertics

[Bill Gibson]

I have a green Quickbeam, and like it a lot. I use it for everything, city,
pavement, gravel, stationary trainer ( I am surviving Phoenix metro.) I
consider it a very sturdy, stiff bike, suited to my overweight condition
(210 lbs), and loaded riding (full groceries, camping), with very stable,
not sprightly handling. No shimmy. I used to tour on a light sports-touring
frame (a Falcon made Eddy Merckyx branded bike, completely
mongrelized) which did not shimmy, but would wobble when climbing, and it
did plane. The Quickbeam does not wobble or plane, either. I think it would
plane, if I were stronger. It carries a moderate load in the Hobo handlebar
bag, which I use often, better than many bikes, and I have a Hoss
saddlebag, both on Nitto racks, which is well loaded when not on the
trainer. I mounted Berthoud fenders, which limits tire and gear choice, but
when I use it as a singlespeed I just ride. I also built a wheel with a
SRAM I9 hub, which eliminates any regrets about riding a single speed, or a
two speed etc. I don't care about internal hub friction loss most off the
time, but am amazed at how light my other bike, the 1970s Gitane 531db
bike, without fenders, or pack racks, which my father passed on to me, and
which I restored, is, but it is very flat in the Phoenix metro area, so,
light isn't important. You must seek out hills and wind to need gears here.
I think someday, for three or four time as much cash as my Quickbeam cost,
I might get a front loading, more flexible, sportier randonneur framed
bike, say, from Jeff Lyons, or Boulder Bicycle, but it isn't a necessity. I
am set for life. I do wonder if I might improve the brakes, though. MAFAC
has alway been my gold standard, and I have always been able to fix
squeals. I will see if I can retrofit something someday.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 11:38 AM, cyclotourist > wrote:

> If you have the line on a used one, get it!
>
> They ride wonderfully. My favorite bike. The gear changing procedure is a
> breeze, although I think most QB owners end up keeping it in a single ratio
> most the time. Very versatile. Able to haul things around town, meander
> through the country, hit the local trails.
>
> Really, if you have the opportunity, take it. I think you'll love the
> bike, and if not, you can re-sell and not lose any money. QBs don't
> depreciate. May actually be one of the few bike to actually appreciate a
> bit.
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Comotion001  > wrote:
>
>> I'm considering purchasing a used Quickbeam and found one my size.  I
>> like the fact that I can put wider tires on it than what I'm currently
>> riding.  I'm curious about the riding characteristics and would like to
>> hear feedback from other QB owners. Thanks Bill
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[RBW] Mount Laguna s24o

[hsmitham]

This happened in the Southland over the 9/11 weekend.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpusher61/albums/72157656255990733

It was cooler than at the coast with wide open vistas and superb dbl & 
single track and the company wasn't bad either.

Blessings to the 9/11 victims and their families.

Tail Winds,

~Hugh

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