Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Ron Mc]

Jason, my buddy's Dahon Tournado came with WCS (in silver - bike shops 
drool over them) - very nice bars.  

I don't have a place for rando bars, either.  What they're really good for 
is bringing hood position higher on shorter (vertical) stems. The rise on 
the end of the bars eliminates a cross hand position, since it twists your 
wrists unnaturally backwards.  
Noodles drop on the ends, giving you a natural cross position.  


  

Jim, my buddy has Salsa Woodchippers on his tandem - super wide with midge 
drops.  


On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 10:52:47 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I would like to offer an alternative view to the rando bar love fest.  I 
> tried some "48" cm VO rando bars on my tandem and I hated them.  The ramps 
> are much narrower than the drops and that is useless for someone like me 
> who's large and really needs to have a wide hand position at all times.
>
>>
>>  

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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/02/2015 07:37 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
Jason, my buddy's Dahon Tournado came with WCS (in silver - bike shops 
drool over them) - very nice bars.


I don't have a place for rando bars, either.  What they're really good 
for is bringing hood position higher on shorter (vertical) stems. The 
rise on the end of the bars eliminates a cross hand position, since it 
twists your wrists unnaturally backwards.

Noodles drop on the ends, giving you a natural cross position


By "cross position" are you referring to something related to 
cyclocross?  I've never heard the phrase before.



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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Ron Mc]

it's a convenient name, since interruptor levers are also known as cross 
brakes - the hand position that warrants use of these brakes.  My daughter 
mostly rides there, sometimes on the hoods, never on the drops, but I think 
she likes the style of the drops.  


Her friend, my buddy's daughter, went out and bought a late 90s Gitane 
long-trail racing frame just to build up a similar styled bike.  

>
> By "cross position" are you referring to something related to 
> cyclocross?  I've never heard the phrase before. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[ascpgh]

I tried my own hand on that format ten years ago:



Always a fan of under biking and getting out in the woods via the miles of 
great and lonely access roads.

Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh




On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 4:50:02 PM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> http://www.elephantbikes.com/stock/ 
>
> Interesting bike... Rivish in several ways, skinny tubing, really cool 
> fork (reminds me of Wes Willits' Wow fork) and it accepts disc brakes 
>
> Stretching the possibilities...

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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/02/2015 07:54 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
it's a convenient name, since interruptor levers are also known as 
cross brakes - the hand position that warrants use of these brakes.


Oh, "on the bar top."   Long pre-dates interrupter levers.


 My daughter mostly rides there, sometimes on the hoods, never on the 
drops, but I think she likes the style of the drops.




Her friend, my buddy's daughter, went out and bought a late 90s Gitane 
long-trail racing frame just to build up a similar styled bike.





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[RBW] Re: Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[ascpgh]

+2 on the Nitto RM-013, I have them on my Rambouillet and commuter Disc 
Trucker. 

An article comparing to Noodles including side by side pics:

http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 5:01:43 PM UTC-4, Avery Wilson wrote:
>
> Check out the Nitto RM - 013. Similar to noodles, but more flare in the 
> drops. Just enough to keep my forearms from hitting the tops whilst in the 
> hooks/drops. 

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[RBW] Re: Dirty Kanza

[ascpgh]

Looks like a true mud tire would have been worth the trouble, if available 
or in the garage. Silica compounded "mud" tires may not be a panacea, but 
they let go of the goop easier. Wet snow doesn't ball up on them in winter 
use either. I had some I mounted on a hunch for a trip to Stowe, VT and had 
a great time on the snowmobile/XC trails. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 10:17:54 AM UTC-4, Jayme Frye wrote:
>
> How did the 50 "fun ride" work out for you? ;-D Special thanks go to DK 
> organizers for putting everyone through the crucible of mud regardless of 
> their chosen distance. I've never completed a bike race where my upper body 
> was more tired than my legs. My training plan did not prepare me for 
> carrying my handlebar bag rando bike several miles through sticky mud.
> I made it to CP 1 for the Half Pint before throwing in the muddy towel. 
> Mostly because I twisted my knee badly early on and although I wasn't in 
> pain on the bike any further walking was not gonna be possible. I will 
> return.
>
> Jayme
>
> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 10:36:43 AM UTC-5, Wildcat96 wrote:
>>
>> I chickened out last minute and will be doing the 50 mile "Fun Ride" this 
>> year.  Sounds like it's going to be a mudfest!  I'll be riding my Sage 
>> Green Sam.  If anyone from this list is going and wants to hook up, my cell 
>> is 913-406-5830.
>
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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Ron Mc]

there's a fine line between interrogatory and taking to task, separated by 
whether the answer is already known. 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 7:00:09 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  
>  
> Oh, "on the bar top."   Long pre-dates interrupter levers.
>
>
>  

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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Ron Mc]

fair enough.  First thing I did on my old Raleigh was remove those levers 
and add gum hoods.  
found this photo of my buddy's Dahon - it came with cross levers and the 
Ritchie WCS bar




On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 7:34:12 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote
>
>
> Well, in this case clearly interrogatory, since I had no idea what the 
> phrase meant, being profoundly ignorant of cyclocross.  When you described 
> it, I recognized it as a position I have been using for the past 43 years 
> and more, initially aided with these things, now commonly known as "suicide 
> levers":
>
>
>  

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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/02/2015 08:44 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
fair enough.  First thing I did on my old Raleigh was remove those 
levers and add gum hoods.


I did also, eventually.  In my case it took a panic stop in traffic, 
going down the hill on Wisconsin Ave in Georgetown towards K St. 
Bottomed out the levers and the stopped car in front just kept getting 
closer and larger and of course, once you are committed there's no way 
to switch from the suicide levers to the regular ones, you just have to 
ride it out and hope.  Fortunately, I did stop, about a foot from his 
bumper.   Took them off and threw them away as soon as I got home.


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[RBW] My friend Pam writes about her first S24O experience

[David Spranger]

Enjoy!

http://cltspokespeople.org/s240/

David
Charlotte, NC

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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Ron Mc]

cross levers, btw are serious brakes - they give you more leverage and less 
squirm than road levers

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 7:52:32 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> I did also, eventually.  In my case it took a panic stop in traffic, 
> going down the hill on Wisconsin Ave in Georgetown towards K St. 
> Bottomed out the levers and the stopped car in front just kept getting 
> closer and larger and of course, once you are committed there's no way 
> to switch from the suicide levers to the regular ones, you just have to 
> ride it out and hope.  Fortunately, I did stop, about a foot from his 
> bumper.   Took them off and threw them away as soon as I got home. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Tim Gavin]

I use "cross top" / interrupter brake levers on both of my Nitto
B135-equipped bikes without discomfort, and I have bad wrists.

But I just use that position--and those brakes--for upright cruising.  I'm
in the drops about 90% of the time (bars at seat level).

I suppose I can say that I love the Rando bars for their flare, not for
their upward sweep.

I'd love a bar with the same flare through the drops as the B135/132, but
with the rearward sweep of the Noodle B177.

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[RBW] Re: Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Kellie]

Alternative: dirt drops. Here's a Midge……. similar to the now very popular 
Soma Portola.




On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 7:41:57 AM UTC-7, Jayme Frye wrote:
>
> Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always 
> stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I 
> like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a 
> hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better 
> school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps 
> and more flair at the drops? 
>
> Jayme
>

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[RBW] Re: Dirty Kanza

[Kellie]

Here's a link to some excellent photos of the event. DK200 event on the 
right in the blog.  http://adventuremonkey.com

On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 1:47:20 PM UTC-8, Wildcat96 wrote:
>
> I just signed up for the non-competitive 100-mile Half Pint.  Registration 
> opened this morning and they already have nearly 1400 people signed up.  I 
> had a blast last year despite my blown out bottom bracket 26 miles in. 
>  Beautiful ride through the Konza Prairie and Flint Hills of Kansas. 
>  Anyone else here participating?I rode the Sam Hillborne last year, but 
> might try out the Bombadil I'm working on.

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[RBW] Re: My friend Pam writes about her first S24O experience

[Shoji Takahashi]

Terrific! A full spectrum of bikes, gear, and good times. It is inspiring 
to read how normal it can be to go and enjoy the outdoors. (I enjoy EPIC 
adventure stories, but this  one makes me feel like I should go out now.)

shoji
 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 9:10:39 AM UTC-4, David Spranger wrote:
>
> Enjoy!
>
> http://cltspokespeople.org/s240/
>
> David
> Charlotte, NC
>

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Re: [RBW] loaded handling question

[Chris Chen]

I found that with the homer + mark's rack + basket load, if I didn't add a
second set of struts to the rack, I'd get these harmonic movements that got
really nerve wracking on decents, etc. Sort of solved it by either

1) irish strapping rack to the handlebars
2) replacing with big front rack

On my low trail chicken, with heavy loads I also get oscillating movement,
but we're talking tens of pounds here, like two cases of beer territory; I
often clamp the top tube with my legs and I it calms it down--in this case
I can definitely see the flexing of the tubes as this happens.

cc

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:01 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> Thanks Doug! Last weekend would have been a good time to talk about
> this, but too busy scraping off the mud! :-)
> I only had the one pannier this time, so figure that could be a
> contributing factor. Although last time I had two, with same effect.
> Hands-free isn't the absolute goal, but riding with a light touch
> would be nice! I get death-shimmy at even real low speeds if I let go
> of the bars, and a minor one if I use one hand light. Gotta' be a
> better way!
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:32 PM, dougP  wrote:
> > David:
> >
> > As you can see, there is no single answer to the shimmy problem.
> > Personally, I think where the load is, both front / rear and high / low)
> and
> > how each of us rides are major factors.  A good example is Joe Bartoe's
> > experience with shimmy on his Hilsen with a light front load, whereas my
> > Atlantis will shimmy with a lightly loaded rear saddlebag but moving that
> > bag to the front solves the problem.  Atlantis & Homer are different
> bikes,
> > and Joe & I are different sizes and likely riding styles.
> >
> > As to solving the puzzle, I found a gentle hill that allowed the bike
> roll
> > up to about 20 mph w/o pedaling (pedaling seems to dampen things for
> me).  I
> > took 4 panniers loaded with books to simulate the weight of my gear, and
> > tried all front, all rear, some front, some rear, etc., until I found a
> > combination that was rock solid.  What works for me is 60% of the weight
> in
> > front & 40% rear.  For an S240 or a loding tour, I only need 2 bags so
> they
> > both go on the front.  In the photo, I don't recall what was in the
> saddle
> > bag but it was probably a last minute add for overflow, and the sleeping
> pad
> > hanging off the back can't weight much.
> >
> > To avoid buying new stuff for only a few trips per year, take what you've
> > got & find a similar hill and experiment.  I think the no-hands is
> asking a
> > lot but I grant you should be able to ride the bike light handed & not
> in a
> > death grep.  Seriously try putting some heavy stuff in the basket BUT
> make
> > sure it can't shift or bounce around.  I had some dive weights in my
> Acorn
> > bag on time (they would let us drive tent stakes) and got shimmy for
> shimmy
> > (probably had 12 lbs of lead).
> >
> > Location is another variable.  Weight up high (basket, rando bag, etc.)
> > seems to be shimmy enabling.  If you can't come up with a non-shimmy
> > combination with your existing rackage, you may have to look at low
> riders.
> > IMHO getting the weight centered around the front axle seems to improve
> life
> > greatly.  I've used my big Ortleibs on my Tubus Duo front rack and it's
> rock
> > solid.
> >
> > Another consideration that's been mentioned is the roller bearing headset
> > that Riv sells.  I've got one on my Atlantis and have not had any shimmy
> > since installing.  But then before that I'd worked around the shimmy with
> > loading so it can't be credited entirely.  But it's still worth a
> thought.
> >
> > Lastly, and probably heresay here, but I've had situations where I know
> the
> > Nitto Big Back rack was contributing to handling difficulties, albeit
> likely
> > overloaded by their standards.  As beautiful as they are, they lack
> lateral
> > triangulation and can develop resonance.  Tubus and other rack makers
> design
> > with a triangle, viewed from the rear, that greatly stiffens the
> structure.
> > The Nitto R-26 (?) that I had for while is essentially a pyramid, is made
> > out of 10 mm tubing, and is as stiff as they come.  Unfortunately the
> > platform was a little small for my needs.
> >
> > On our next S24O, I'll throw all my junk on the back to see how things
> work
> > with Tubus rack since I got the needle bearing headset.  The downside to
> > front low riders is limited clearance.
> >
> > dougP
> >
> > On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 9:27:05 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> >>
> >> It took me a sec to find a photo, but it handled just as terribly when
> >> it was straight rear-loaded with nothing on front. You can see it on
> >> the right in this photo, with both panniers in place and packed full:
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/15187812094
> >> So basically two panniers full + tent in back = bad
> >> One pannier + tent in back with light load on front = bad
> >> Is the

[RBW] Re: Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Philip Kim]

The nitto randonneur bars have longer ramps and flairs, I believe. While 
the ramps are flat, they are also swept up a bit.

I think they are measured at the drops, and since the hoods are closer to 
accomdate for the flaire at the drops, I would get a bigger size than 
normal, but would definitely check the dimensions before you get one.


On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 10:41:57 AM UTC-4, Jayme Frye wrote:
>
> Bent my Noodle bars in a crash and must replace. Part replacement always 
> stirs thoughts of what else is available that I might like. The things I 
> like about the Noodle bars are the long flat ramps behind the hoods as a 
> hand position and the flair of the drops. From the more must be better 
> school of thought does anyone know of a bar with a bit flatter/longer ramps 
> and more flair at the drops? 
>
> Jayme
>

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[RBW] Ram/Rom/Red 650b Conversions.

[Jonathan Shinefeld]

Hi David, I converted my 58 Rambouillet to 650b and enjoy it very much. It 
needed brake posts and paint. No issues with the low bb, but I understood the 
potential bottom bracket drop issue at the outset. Last week I switched the 
cockpit to Albatross bars on a long stem and now have a plush commuter and city 
bike. Im not sure if I like sitting so upright, at least on this bike. 
Jon in PhillyPA

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Re: [RBW] loaded handling question

[Jim Dobbins]

Slick!
-JimD
> On May 29, 2015, at 7:41 AM, Jeffrey Marco  wrote:
> 
> Here's a pic of my setup. Just in case.
> 
> 
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[RBW] Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Jim Dobbins]

I'm exploring the use of a dog trailer so I can take our new pup to work
with me.

I'll use my Saluki if I do this.

I'm interested of others have experience towing trailers with their Riv's.
I'm thinking a Doggyride trailer looks like a good choice.

Thanks,
JimD

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[RBW] Local Rivendell Dealer suggestions for DELMARVA area?

[Alan Pickett]

What to DC-centric folks think about helping develop a local dealer for Riv 
Bikes, as requested a bug-post or two ago?

I love the gang at Proteus Bikes in College Park, and I know that College 
Park Bicycles has an affinity with Grant/Riv, but somehow I wonder if a 
place like Bicycle Space - which just recently opened a new shop right 
smack in downtown DC, might have real potential, by tapping into a well 
moneyed, bike-commutin' crowd with consumer tastes just precious enough to 
make the gorgeous lugs and paint on Riv Bikes a beacon of irresistible 
attraction. Does anyone know the Bicycle Space people? Could we talk to 
them?

Either that, or a few of us could quit our day jobs and attempt to open a 
bike store... I would assume that we would all become filthy stinking rich 
in short order, right?

Alan in Silver Spring

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[RBW] Saluki With Dog Trailer?

[Jim Dobbins]

We have a new puppy and taking care of her has impacted my regular bike 
commuting to work.

I’m exploring the idea of getting a Doggyride trailer to hook to the Saluki to 
take the pup to work with me.

Has anyone here had experience with this or any other trailer on their bike?

-JimD

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[RBW] Nominating Dealers for Sams and Clems

[Alan Pickett]

Grant's Blug post of May 26th appealed for help nominating bicycle shops - 
preferably in large markets - that might be interested in carrying Sams and 
Clems. Any thoughts on this from folks in the DC area? I love the folks at 
Proteus Cycles, and recall that College Park Bicycles has an affinity with 
Rivendell (Grant spoke there during his book tour), but I actually wondered if 
the newly moved Bicycle Space might be a great bet. It appears to really focus 
on practical cycling for commuters, carries products, gear and bikes (Surly, 
Linus,  Pashley) that have just the right amount of irreverence for the status 
quo, a little consumeristic snootiness for quality and brand, and are located 
smack downtown in DC in a recently acquired space - getting lots of exposure to 
well-moneyed folk to whom Riv might appeal on multiple levels. They also have a 
great community networking component - hosting plenty of "just-ride" style 
events.

Would it be interesting to travel as a group of friendly emissaries 
(Fremissaries!) on our bikes for a dog and pony show, to promote the idea of 
them carrying Clems/Sams? I don't know anyone there, perhaps others in DELMARVA 
do? (If we did so, I would secretly imagine myself as Marco Polo travelling to 
the court of Kublai Khan to talk up textiles and spices. You know, just for 
fun...)

I'm curious about whether folks in other areas that can imagine an existing 
brick and mortar shop selling Rivendells. Where in your neck of the woods can 
you easily imagine seeing a Rivendell Floor Model, complete with a floppy 
card-stock price tag dangling from a handlebar?

Alan in Silver Spring MD

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[RBW] Re: Brilliant Bicycle Company

[Eddie Flayer]

Wow. A beautiful website and rich guys starting a bike company that sells 
really common bikes. What's the attraction? Granted, I'm not a hipster more 
concerned about color that ounces. It's the grams that concern me.

On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 1:23:24 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Thought this might be of interest to the group—a new company selling 
> simple MUSA bicycles:
>
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2015/05/27/ex-vcs-launch-brilliant-bicycle-co-with-1-5-million-in-funding/?ncid=rss&cps=gravity_1462_4834067520792034342#.7chmya:hLTJ
>  
>
> According to the article, their goal is to sell “reasonably priced bikes 
> to people who care more about simplicity and color than specs and ounces."
>
> Hmmm … who else does that? They also point at mainstream cycling companies 
> whose ads feature, "pictures of high-end racing bikes ridden by 
> middle-aged, spandex-clad men."
>
> Oh, by the way, their prices start at $299 with free shipping in the USA. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
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[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[tim clark]

I was part of the fendered crew (shake-down ride on the Nobilette!).

Made it to Prineville the first night (or was it morning? -- 3:30am). I was 
so blown from the rain, squishy roads and fatigue that I decided to call it 
and ride to Bend.

In hind sight, it wish I brought camping gear so I could have pushed on and 
broken up the last 140 miles if needed. But as it was, it was do or die. 
and I wasn't willing to die! :)

Looking forward to seeing your trip report -- you guys had a solid crew!

Best,
Tim Clark

On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 9:51:39 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> That was me! Yes, I did it on the Atlantis. It was excellent. I snapped my 
> derailleur in half at the bottom of the descent out after Prineville, 
> single speeded it 70km until a nice fellow sold me the derailleur off his 
> bike after calling it a day. I was looking for other Riv's, didn't see any! 
> Were you in the parking lot at the start?
>
> I also saw a number of fendered bikes. A number of guys I rode with had 
> them actually. One was a custom bike with 42mm Compass tires (rear tire was 
> slashed and destroyed right where my derailleur died. He had a backup, 
> which was later slashed as well!), the other was an Elephant with the same 
> tires. They were pulling mud out of them fairly often though. Oh, also 
> there was a Nobilette-built Velo Cult rando bike with honjo's. It was 
> gorgeous. 
>
>
> I'll be posting a full report in the next few days, just need to 
> decompress, download the 1,200 photos I took... and do a write up. Also, my 
> Atlantis never arrived on the plane with me coming home... I'm hoping to 
> find out where it is today.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 1:33:51 AM UTC-5, Allan in Portland wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, yesterday I shuttled an Atlantis from Deschutes SP back to PDX. I 
>> don't recall his name, but it was owned and operated by a Canadian.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Allan
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>>
>>> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a 
>>> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry 
>>> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots 
>>> of gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was 
>>> rock solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never 
>>> felt under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the 
>>> first day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work. 
>>> No problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics 
>>> in the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an 
>>> Atlantis on the ride. 
>>>
>>> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and 
>>> they kept my water bottles usable. 
>>>
>>> Brian Hanson 
>>> Seattle, WA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Visting Portland

[ant ritchey]

All depends on where you're stayin!  Drop me a line offlist and I can throw 
my two cents atcha.

Best,
ant

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 9:14:47 AM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> My girlfriend and I are taking a road trip up to Portland in a couple 
> weeks and bringing our bikes. We plan on riding around fairly leisurely and 
> enjoying a great town. I've been before but never had the pleasure of 
> having my Riv (or any bike for that matter) with me. 
>
> Any tips? Good routes, sights, beer stops? We will def stop by Rivelo and 
> Velo Cult. 
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: "Last run" of Sams?

[Philip Kim]

yep seems like for awhile. I'm looking at the black and cream, but the sage 
also looks good and on sale..

On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 12:55:18 AM UTC-4, Reid wrote:
>
> Just received the latest email from Riv. Highlights the black Sam frames 
> coming in, mentions frames coming in of the usual blue, then says, "Last 
> run." Sounds ominous. Does that mean what I think it means? Like if I 
> kinda' think I want one, I'd better pry open my checkbook and shake out all 
> the moths?
>
> Reid
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Curious: saddle bags versus panniers?

[Chris Chen]

I've never had that problem with the nitto large rear rack and the big
saddlesack, with a toplight brake; But I can see how a bag could obscure a
rack mounted light.

cc

Fendertown, OR

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Tom M  wrote:

> I've used the Arkel Randonneur rack (
> http://www.arkel-od.com/en/arkel-randonneur-rack.html) with their
> Tailrider Trunk Bag, both of which work as advertised. Not sure how much
> weight you'd want to put in it, but I've used it to carry work clothes,
> less shoes, during some commutes. As someone else posted, I want my rear
> lights to be visible, which tends, on my fenderless bikes, to rule out
> saddle bags.
> --Tom
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Segwaying from this thread: has anyone used a seatpost clamp-on rack? My
>> '03 Curt grocery carrier is spending a month at Chauncey's nursing home,
>> and I am left with the Fargo (Pica and a clamp on rack rated for 10 kg) and
>> Reg or Beryl or Campari musettes (by Velo Retro, highly recommended).
>>
>> I've not yet used the clamp on rack; suppose I should just try it. I
>> hacked vertical extensions to keep panniers out of the spokes -- but again,
>> haven't yet tried it.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Stolen SimpleOne and a question

[redsydude]

"Are there any production frames with a similar 72.5/72.5 and midlong 
chainstay geometry? If nothing else I might round up an 80s steel touring 
frame and throw a SimpleOne fork on it."

There is a 25 inch 1986 Schwinn Passage for sale on Portland craigslist (in 
Vancouver) right now for $250.  

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 8:54:45 AM UTC-7, donavanm wrote:

> As the subject says, theres another stolen SimpleOne out there now. Last 
> Thursday night I was out at Golden Gardens in Seattle enjoying the sunset 
> with some friends. Bikes were parked ~15 feet away on the beach, which was 
> far enough for someone to make off unnoticed. They kindly left another 
> friends tandem and my helmet plus gloves behind. Already reported to SPD 
> etc, though I have little hope of recovery.
>
> First was my daily commuter, 62CM SimpleOne frame serial M105. At time 
> of theft included black revelate frame bag, black Haulin Colin front rack + 
> wald basket, Supernova light, "Velo Orange" branded SP dynamo hub, salsa 
> delgado rims, silver Paul cantilever brakes, schwalbe little big ben tires. 
> https://bikeindex.org/bikes/46199
>
> Second was a friends 1993 XO-2, purple paint, 54cm frame, 
> serial H220098. At time of theft included silver rear rack, white bar tape, 
> salsa 38cm short and shallow drop bars, nitto periscopa stem, bar end 
> shifters, original deore 3x7 drive train, original wheelset. 
> https://bikeindex.org/bikes/46200
>
> And now the question, suggestions for a similar single speed frame? The 
> SimpleOne was my favoritist bike, used for daily commuting, shenanigans, 
> and bike camping. Im seriously considering getting a clone custom made, but 
> would like a replacement in a sooner time frame. Are there any production 
> frames with a similar 72.5/72.5 and midlong chainstay geometry? If nothing 
> else I might round up an 80s steel touring frame and throw a SimpleOne fork 
> on it.
>

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[RBW] Re: Stolen SimpleOne and a question

[donavanm]

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 8:20:17 PM UTC-7, JohnS wrote:
>
> Hello donavanm,
>
> Having your bike stolen sucks, hopefully you can get a new set of wheels 
> soon. Here's a couple of suggestions for you.
>
> High Option: If you don't come across a QB/S1 any time soon, I would 
> recommend the 2012 Salsa Casseroll. I bought one last spring when I 
> couldn't find a QB/S1. The Casseroll was NOS and was available at an 
> independent bike shop that's about an hour from my house. Great bike, very 
> similar geometry, feel and features as the QB/S1, canti brakes, chromoly 
> frame, light touring geometry, semi-horizontal drop outs, lots of braze on 
> mounting points for racks, fenders, three water bottles and frame peg. The 
> Riv Little Big Bens fit, fillet brazed not lugged. I paid $700 for the 
> frame, fork and custom front rack. I'm using it as my commuter and have it 
> set up fixed. The QB that I bought this year came with custom wheels built 
> up with Phil Wood hubs which are very nice. I replaced the QB rear wheel 
> with the two speed fixed Bendix and mounted the Phil hub rear wheel on the 
> Casseroll. I did have to change the end caps to match the Casseroll 130 
> OLD. The Casseroll had a limited production run and are kind of rare, so it 
> might be just as hard to find as a QB/S1.
>
> http://salsacycles.com/bikes/archive/2012_casseroll
>

Ironically my Simpleone replaced a 2007 casseroll that was my single speed 
commuter that replaced my previous stolen commuter. I havent used one of 
the canti models, but Ill keep an eye out. One of the features that I 
really really really want is the front fork high rack mount braze ons ala 
rivendell. Besides riv the only other folks that I know commonly spec'ing 
them are soma and velo orange. 
 

> Low Option: As you had mentioned another option would be to build up an 
> old touring bike. I have an Azuki Elite frame/fork which I think is late 
> '70's that I would be willing to sell for $50 plus shipping. It's 62cm 
> chromoly lugged touring frame that was made in Japan. Semi-horizontal drop 
> outs and eyelets for fenders, but none for racks nor water bottles. 
> Requires center pull or side pull brakes, not canti. Rear OLD is 126mm. Red 
> paint polished up nicely, but it does have some scratches. Azuki was make 
> by Kawamura (Nishiki) for West Coast Cycle. I think building it up as a 
> Frankin bike using the S1 fork and a Paul racer rear brake would be pretty 
> cool. Let me know if you're interested, I can provide pictures.
>

Thanks! I'll take a looksee at that frame and follow up! If it's a beater 
anyways I wont have to worry about the paint. I can get new braze ons and 
canti mounts done locally.  

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[RBW] Re: Visting Portland

[Jack B]

If beers are what you want, then there are some great options not far from 
Rivelo, in the SE quadrant:
• Hair of the Dog is at SE Water & Yamhill, maybe a mile due north of 
Rivelo. Strangely I've never been, but great beers. BIG beers though, so if 
you have more riding to do then be careful.
• The Commons Brewery has a new tasting room at SE 7th & Belmont. Their 
Belgian- and Euro-Inspired beers are a refreshing change from the hop-heavy 
IPAs found elsewhere (though I love those too). Highly recommend. 
• Just a few blocks East is the  Cascade Barrel House (sour beers) and 
Green Dragon (owned by Rogue, but with 50+ rotating taps, mostly not 
Rogue). Both have good outdoor seating if weather is good. 
• Head north of here for Base Camp Brewing, south for Lucky Lab, even 
further south to Division St. for Apex Beer bar (actally almost due East 
from Rivelo). Great outdoor seating at all three.
• If you do plan to visit Mt. Tabor then you could take the Salmon St. bike 
boulevard most of the way from Central Eastside. Much nicer route than any 
of the busy streets with bike lanes.
• Along the way to or from Tabor I'd suggest a stop at The Horse Brass Pub, 
a real Portland institution. 50+ taps, knowledgeable staff. 

Have fun!

On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 3:04:56 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> So much good advice Thanks everyone who's chimed in! Some great stuff 
> here. Grateful to have this list as a resource.
>
> Keep em coming!
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 9:14:47 AM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>
>> My girlfriend and I are taking a road trip up to Portland in a couple 
>> weeks and bringing our bikes. We plan on riding around fairly leisurely and 
>> enjoying a great town. I've been before but never had the pleasure of 
>> having my Riv (or any bike for that matter) with me. 
>>
>> Any tips? Good routes, sights, beer stops? We will def stop by Rivelo and 
>> Velo Cult. 
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Seeking Rack Advice

[Jack B]

I'm looking for a rear rack for my VO Campeur, and a bit overwhelmed by all 
the choices. Anyone with opinions to share?

The rack might see some light touring, but the primary use will be for my 
daily commute, usually with one ortlieb roller pannier, ~15 lbs load. 
Occasionally I'll stuff it heavier, say 20 lbs.

I love the idea of the Clem rack but am skeptical about carrying panniers 
on this rack. Maybe it could handle my light daily load, but I also take 
the bag off at least twice daily, so it should be easy to mount & remove 
the bag.  

VO's Campeur rack would be an obvious choice but seems like overkill 
plus I'm a bit self conscious about riding around like a VO advertisement 
with too many of their parts, I prefer to mix it up. Would Nitto's R-15 do 
the trick?

Weight is not a huge issue, but I do lug my bike up 3 flights of stairs 
each day.

Thanks for any input from the group!

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[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

[Philip Kim]

Good to hear. Just ordered my first Rivendell...the black and cream Sam.

Definitely plan to ride it to the ground, but it can see it being the other 
way around...

On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-4, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote:

> Hear hear!
>
> If you can only get one, a Sam is a good choice. In fact, when desirous of 
> a second bike, I got yet another Hillborne.
>
> At the time I weighed enough that it was probably truly warranted in some 
> sense: I never ride for speed, always want to carry stuff, and was (and 
> still am) fat to boot. I do ride year round, I do ride on rough roads and 
> moderate trails, I do ride tens of miles when I can, and I do want to know 
> that the bike is not become mis-shapen just because it's me riding. Sounds 
> like a job for a Hillborne.
>
> I do now weigh somewhat less and sometimes I wonder... would my second 
> bike have been something else in these current improved circumstances? A 
> Hilsen-type? A singlespeed? A (gasp) road bike?
>
> Alas, I seriously doubt I'll ever know. My Hillbornes are the bees knees. 
> And there's always at least one ready to go!
>
> Yours,
> Thomas Lynn Skean
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 11:54:52 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> ...
>  
>
>> Sam Hilborne is my goto bike for just about anything other than extended 
>> rides.  Spandex, street clothes, board shorts, get on Sam and ride.  One 
>> block in the hood or ten miles.  He has a lot of Nitto for carrying things, 
>> but most of the time gets ridden naked with the exception of an Acorn glove 
>> compartment and tool roll.  I have had great support from Rivendell (in 
>> particular, Jared) but have not needed it for some time.  If you could have 
>> only one bike, this would be the bike.
>>
>
> ...
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto, Brooks, Coffee, Ultra Light, Wool, MUSA bits

[ant ritchey]

parts
MKS Sylvan track pedals, very good condition, $15
Nitto Albastache, a few scrapes near clamp, very good condition $70
Brooks Professional, honey w/ copper rails, tension bolt hasn't moved, as 
this saddle was barely ridden $95
Nitto S83 seat post 26.8, very good condition, less than 200 miles $80 
Nitto S65 Crystal Fellow 27.2 x 210, very good condition & riv's outta 
stock $70
Shimano Deore front & rear derailleur set, FD-m590 black clamp silver cage, 
RD-m591 black, brand new $50
1 Jack Brown Blue, worn but with life left $5

gear
Smart Wool beanie, cuffed, blue 100% merino, worn twice $12
Snow Peak titanium bowl, plate & mini-spork, very good condition $30 for 
the set
Leatherman H502  knife, MUSA, only 
philips driver included, good condition $30
Porlex Mini Hand Grinder 
, nests in your aero 
press, very good condition, comes w/ vintage stainless pour-over device $50
Big Agnes Copper Spur Ultra Light 2-person tent 
, brand 
new with tags $250
American Apparel backpack, THIS ONE 
,
 
canvas, MUSA & very handsome; hardly used it $20
Sea to Summit Thermolite Extreme mummy bag liner 
,
 
used twice $40

Trade interested icluding but not limited to aluminum heat treated 
Albatross, King Iris cages, Park Truing stand 2 or 2.2, a Mark's rack, 
Schmidt Edulux II, SON hub, HA Rack Sackville Bags, Carradice Bagman 
Expedition silver, 700c Compass tires, 64cm-68cm f/f, etc.

Prices do not include shipping.  Open to reasonable offers.  Paypal 
preferred.  Pics upon request, via email or text (72fore 7fiiive7 935ate & 
lemme know you're a RBW/BOB).  Apologies for the redundancy in cross-posts 
to the sister lists. A lot of this stuff may be posted to PDX OR 
Craigslist.  Feel free to come check the stuff out in person- I'm in North 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[Chris Chen]

Son, you got a licence to ride that Riv?

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:33 PM, Allan in Portland 
wrote:

> FWIW, yesterday I shuttled an Atlantis from Deschutes SP back to PDX. I
> don't recall his name, but it was owned and operated by a Canadian.
>
> Cheers,
> -Allan
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:13:43 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
>>
>> I just finished the Oregon Outback on my 54cm Hunqapillar. I used a
>> hodgepodge of bags (Riv Med SaddleSack, Swift Paloma, and Orlieb) to carry
>> the often times large loads. After 360 miles of rain, mud, dust, and lots
>> of gravel roads, I am happy to report no mechanicals. The Hunqapillar was
>> rock solid.  There were 40+mph downhills with 30mph wind gusts, and I never
>> felt under biked. Kudos to the 2.1" Thunder Burts. I had an almost flat the
>> first day, but a little air and spin, and the Stan's sealant did its work.
>> No problem for the next 300 miles. I will get a better write up with pics
>> in the next few days. No other Rivs sighted, but I heard there was an
>> Atlantis on the ride.
>>
>> P.S. Thumbs up for fenders. Mine was the only fendered bike I saw, and
>> they kept my water bottles usable.
>>
>> Brian Hanson
>> Seattle, WA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Visting Portland

[Chris Chen]

Weather's great tho

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Manuel Acosta  wrote:

> Don't go. Portland is horrible. People there are horrible. Food Horrible.
> Bike shops/beer bars/vintage mtbing museums are horrible.
>
> Don't go. Horrible.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 9:14:47 AM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
>> My girlfriend and I are taking a road trip up to Portland in a couple
>> weeks and bringing our bikes. We plan on riding around fairly leisurely and
>> enjoying a great town. I've been before but never had the pleasure of
>> having my Riv (or any bike for that matter) with me.
>>
>> Any tips? Good routes, sights, beer stops? We will def stop by Rivelo and
>> Velo Cult.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: "Last run" of Sams?

[Chris Chen]

In the words of fat tony, "that's a fine looking model. It would be a shame
if it where to be  discontinued"

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:55 PM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> Sleeping with the fish.
>
> Once a Riv goes away, it doesn't come back.
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Reid  wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 4:00:04 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmm, Here's a snippet from an RBW newsletter in 2007:
> >>
> >> "We have introduced a new model (A. Homer Hilsen) recently, and some
> >> others are coming up, so rather than overwhelm ourselves with too many
> >> models, we're putting the Rambouillet to sleep for a while. The alarm
> clock
> >> is set for "sometime in late '08, more'n likely." We do have a few 50cm
> and
> >> 52cm frames and complete bikes ($2350) still available. Sometimes
> they're
> >> listed in the "Web Specials" section but not always. Call to check
> >> inventory."
> >>
> >> The nap continues.  So, as is usual with Riv, if you think you might
> want
> >> it and they have it, buy it.  Or watch this list for resales down the
> road.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I kept dithering with the Rambs, never made a decision, and still
> kick
> > myself over that one. But I love that putting them "to sleep for a
> while."
> > Yeah, like permanently. So now it's "deja-vu all over again" with the
> Sam.
> > What am I gonna do??? I think I have trouble letting go of noticeable
> chunks
> > of money.  :-)
> >
> > Reid
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[RBW] Re: Curious: saddle bags versus panniers?

[Don Funke]

Hyalite equipment  makes waterproof panniers 
that fit both sizes of rack tubing. I agree that saddlebags look great, but 
also nothing is as easy as taking panniers on and off. Now is just need a 
really fancy rear rack instead of just my old aluminum one. 

On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 7:44:50 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I know many of y'all swear by big saddlebags, supported or not. I've used 
> many if not most of the various large (Nelson upward) saddlebags made over 
> the last 20 years, and though I really like them (I loved the Hoss on the 
> trike and the Sackville Medium on the Curt) I always, always, always come 
> back to a rack and panniers. In fact, my first principle of saddlebag use 
> is:
>
> *Thou shalt not use a rack, the absence of rack being the very *raison 
> d'etre, purpose, advantage, benefit, and finality-in-the-Aristotelian-sense 
> *of 
> the saddlebag; but thou mayest use a support.*
>
> So: you reasons "pro" for saddlebags, with or without racks;
>
> And your reasons "con" for same.
>
> My two reasons:
>
> 1. I can carry more in 2 panniers than in the largest saddlebag (well, 
> I've not used the Sackville Large, but don't tell me it carries more than 2 
> Ortlieb Packers or Rollers); after all, if I'm gonna use a rack, then I 
> might as well get max vol.
>
> 2. Rack/panniers are flexible: None; 1 small; 2 small; 1 small + 1 big; 2 
> big. Not to mention the various patterns, colors, shapes, sizes, and styles 
> of pannier I can attach or forgo attaching.
>
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> *
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Threaded Headset Recommendation

[Chris Chen]

I love my IRD roller bearing headset with my Chicken, which has taken
ridiculous front loads for almost a year and has shown no signs of giving
up.

Now, I'm pretty sure I need to replace the paul brake pivots... :)

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:21 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> Darin - don't get too discouraged with the IRD by the difficult
> installation I described.  Other posters have recorded no problems with
> their.  Could just be something stubborn about the head tube on my frame
> (although the Shimano 105 that was in there to begin with was removed with
> relative ease).  I'd say go for it.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 1:08:49 PM UTC-5, Darin G. wrote:
>>
>> I don't do any of the harsh riding you've described.  My best guess is
>> that they come out of adjustment quickly and once there is play in there
>> they quickly deteriorate.  I make an effort to check them frequently and
>> try to keep them adjusted but my preference is obviously for a headset that
>> stays properly adjusted.  Sounds like both the IRD Roller Blaster and the
>> CK are generally endorsed by this group, with the one negative review for a
>> difficult installation.  hmmm.
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 8:15:08 PM UTC-6, hangtownmatt wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, I've ridden bicycles all my life and have never replaced a headset
>>> and rarely service them.  My 2012 Hillborne has the original headset with
>>> 12,000+ miles and I haven't even checked it.  I had planned on servicing it
>>> this summer though. What do you think causes the rapid failure of yours?
>>> Do you do a lot of offoading and/or stream crossings without fenders?  Ride
>>> in a lot of rain without fenders?  I'm curious.  If this is the case, I'm
>>> also curious to know if the general consensus is that sealed cartridge
>>> bearings would alleviate headset deterioration for those riding in extreme
>>> conditions without fenders.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 8:44:27 AM UTC-7, Darin G. wrote:

 I've managed to notch the Shimano 105  headset on my Rom.  My shop says
 he can't find the cartridge bearings for this headset, so we switched the
 bottom cartridge to the top for now, but  I'm researching a new one. This
 is the second headset I've had that was worn out by the 3500 mile mark, the
 other being the original Tange on my Hillborne, and I'm searching for a
 replacement that will last.  I've considered the CK headsets in the past
 but they seem mighty expensive and while most reviews are positive there
 are some reviews suggesting they are not worth the money.  Also considering
 the IRD needle roller bearing headset on the Riv site.  Other ideas would
 be appreciated!.

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[RBW] Re: Bag for Front Rack

[lukeheller]

I cam across this bag recently:
http://rideendpoint.com/collections/frontpage/products/espresso-randonneur-bag

Never seen one but they look like they may fit the bill for someone wanting 
a smaller bag.

On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 5:02:45 PM UTC-4, DS wrote:
>
> Is there anything like a rando bag out there that is smaller than most 
> rando bags, but bigger than the small trunksack for a front rack?
>
> I have an Acorn bag. Its great. But bigger than I need. I don't rando. I 
> just need to fit my tools, jacket, snacks, wallet, phone, a lock, etc. 
>
> Hoping for something that is maybe wider like a rando bag, but not as tall.
>
> Is there anything like that out there?
>

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Re: [RBW] Bag for Front Rack

[Chris Chen]

But seriously Ely makes gorgeous bags

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:20 PM, David Banzer  wrote:

> Thanks Tim. I just sent a PM as well. For the OP and others, I can always
> change dimensions of bags I offer as well as make custom bags. I'm
> learning, so trying to keep prices affordable.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 4:12:27 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 4:02 PM, DS  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there anything like a rando bag out there that is smaller than most
>>> rando bags, but bigger than the small trunksack for a front rack?
>>>
>>
>> Listmember David Banzer makes some that look to be just a bit bigger than
>> the small Trunksack.  Boxy front bag.
>> , $65.
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[RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Daniel Jackson]

Anybody out there have an XL Elephant? If so, might you report the 
standover?

Thanks much,
D.

On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:40:14 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> There were a ton of the NFE on the Oregon Outback and I have to admit I 
> was envious. Many were setup just like I had my Atlantis - front panniers, 
> rando boxy bag, and a saddle bag. They can fit 2.35 knobbies, or 42 slicks 
> with fenders. On the wet descents with the loaded bike, I definitely wanted 
> their disc brakes. I have Paul touring canti's with kool stop salmon and 
> they were all but useless when we got up to 70km/h with wet rims. The 
> finish on them is very good, and they're very light. I'm actually planning 
> on buying one next season, but keeping the Atlantis for the real heavy 
> lifting. 
>
> On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, Hudson Doerge wrote:
>>
>> I absolutely love my first batch NFE. The tubing is perfect for my 
>> weight, uses, and riding style. The fork is more supple than my previous 
>> rawland rsogn and my simpleone, but all things aren't equal so it's pretty 
>> hard to say with certainty. As I understand it, it's possible to make a 
>> supple disc fork, but very difficult in a production setting. Glen had 
>> special mounts machined locally to keep the fork as compliant as possible. 
>> All I really know is that the bike rides wonderfully and was a killer value 
>> for a domestically made frame. Highly recommend. 
>>
>> Hudson in atx. 
>
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Re: [RBW] 57 Canti-Romulus and other frame and parts

[David McCulloch]

57 Canti-Romulus has SOLD.

I'll repost the other items soon under a new subject line.

Thanks, 
David
On May 23, 2015, at 8:18 PM, David McCulloch  wrote:

> I have my friend Chip's 57 Romulus, frame fork and headset for sale, $750
> It is a 2005 Canti-Rom, Toyo built in excellent used condition, i.e. usual 
> cable rub, etc but very clean
> 
> It will fit 35mm tires w/fenders (tight but doable) and 38mm tires without 
> fenders. My friend Jon owns a sister canti-Rom and has ridden it many RUSA 
> randonneur miles, including PBP, that bike is not for sale, Jon loves it too 
> much, but Chip's is for sale.
> 
> I'm 6'6" so this bike doesn't fit me, just helping a friend sell his bike. 
> Here is a link http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/index.html
> 
> PM me at bikem...@olympus.net and I can answer questions and send more pics.
> 
> I also have an unknown Rivish/Eisentrautish frame and fork for sale: 65 c-t-c 
> seat tube, 58.5 c-t-c top tube, 72.5 HT 73 ST, campy horizontal drop outs, 
> and Velo-Orange Gran Comp 610 center pull brakes (essentially new)  
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/brakes/calipers/dia-compe-610-centerpull-brake.html
>  new $85 each, $150 for both
> 
> I can send pics as needed.
> 
> Thank you,
> David
> (in Port Townsend, Washington, on the Olympic Peninsula)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Curious: saddle bags versus panniers?

[Philip Kim]

You can also get the compression straps from Riv to strap the panniers. I 
like to use a large saddle bag and front panniers and basket up front.

On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 12:45:36 AM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
> Anne,
>
> If you have spare/leftover cotton bar tape, those will also work, 
> especially as you can easily wrap layers to fit an adaptor-less Ortlieb bag.
>
> However, I've found that the rattling isn't from the top hooks. Because 
> Ortliebs don't have the traditional elastic strap/hook, they rattle about 
> the lower hooks. It's a feature, not a bug! :)
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 8:52:02 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> I was using the right inserts for the pannier hooks, but on checking 
>> my panniers, I see that I've lost several of them. They fall out, and 
>> they break. I don't notice it on flat pavement, but on dirt they go 
>> bumpity bumpity bumpity. 
>>
>> I'm going to follow your innertube/ziptie advice, though. 
>>
>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Tim Gavin 
>>  wrote: 
>> > Anne- 
>> > 
>> > There are two sizes of inserts for the Orlieb clips; ensure you're 
>> using the 
>> > ones that fit your rack tubing.  One size fits the Nitto rack on my Riv 
>> > perfectly, the other size fits the Tubus on my KOM. 
>>
>>
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>>
>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Oregon Outback

[tim.cl...@nike.com]

I was one of the fendered few (riding the Nobilette). Made it to Prineville the 
first night--or was it morning--at 3:30am.

With all the rain, hail and saturated roads, I was pretty cooked by that point. 
I had a little more in the tank but not enough to do the 140 left in one push. 
So off to Bend I rode!

In hind sight, next time I'll have camping gear which opens up the options on 
this route.

Love the photos posted thus far, looks like you guys had a stellar trip!

All Best,
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Re: [RBW] Seeking Rack Advice

[Tim Gavin]

I use and like the Nitto 20R "Mt Campee" rear rack.  It's a bit more
light/compact (like the R-15) than the really big racks.  It can be found
for ~$140 online.  Riv's 32R rack is basically a reinforced/triangulated
version of the 20R.

The R-15 has adjustable struts on top and bottom, so it definitely can be
customized to fit any frame, and could be positioned far to the rear, if
you needed heel clearance.

I have fine heel clearance with the 20R mounted on my Riv Road
,
even with short its 43 cm chainstays.  My Vaude panniers have Ortlieb
hardware, so they're very adjustable front-to-rear.

I don't know if the "free floating" design of the R-15 would make it less
sturdy than a frame with solid bottom anchors like the 20R.  My impression
would be yes, it would be more flexy, but maybe only a tiny amount.  Those
Nitto rack bolts are very secure.

The R-15 is kinda unique in that it has a big keystone loop.  That would
make it easily compatible with a large Trunksack.  I have an olive one for
sale/trade if you become interested.

I also use and like the Tubus Logo Evo.

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Jack B  wrote:

> I'm looking for a rear rack for my VO Campeur, and a bit overwhelmed by
> all the choices. Anyone with opinions to share?
>
> The rack might see some light touring, but the primary use will be for my
> daily commute, usually with one ortlieb roller pannier, ~15 lbs load.
> Occasionally I'll stuff it heavier, say 20 lbs.
>
> I love the idea of the Clem rack but am skeptical about carrying panniers
> on this rack. Maybe it could handle my light daily load, but I also take
> the bag off at least twice daily, so it should be easy to mount & remove
> the bag.
>
> VO's Campeur rack would be an obvious choice but seems like overkill
> plus I'm a bit self conscious about riding around like a VO advertisement
> with too many of their parts, I prefer to mix it up. Would Nitto's R-15 do
> the trick?
>
> Weight is not a huge issue, but I do lug my bike up 3 flights of stairs
> each day.
>
> Thanks for any input from the group!
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[RBW] Re: Your Boulder and Rivendell compare/contrast.

[Ron Mc]

congratulations - looking forward to photos.  

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 9:15:11 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Good to hear. Just ordered my first Rivendell...the black and cream Sam.
>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Curious: saddle bags versus panniers?

[Ginz]

>
>
>
I don't like to carry panniers unless they are needed for the load. 
 Saddlebags are less cumbersome and are better on trails I ride before 
doing my shopping.  Less rattling, less bumping into things.  I also do not 
like having only one heavy pannier.   However, I ride very small frames and 
saddlebags must be very small.  So, here's what I do:

Carradice Barley with Tubus Airy as a support/rack
Add small Carradice front panneris when needed for a shopping trip
For larger loads - I use a different bike with full rackage and pannier'age.

If I could, I'd be using the largest Saddlebag available.


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[RBW] Re: Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Jim,
I have used my AHH and Hunqapillar to tow a Burley trailer with kids. Kids 
and toys probably weighed 60# or 70# (on the Hunqapillar). For AHH, I only 
loaded it with one child-- probably 30#.

There are limitations to trailers and carrying live weight. 

The Burley trailer is a two-wheeled trailer. From what I can see, the 
Doggyride is also two wheeled. Though stable for loading, it can be tipped 
when going over uneven ground or taking a turn too quickly. If you're going 
on trails, be mindful of rocks and logs. It looks like the wheels on the 
Doggyride don't have bumpers-- narrow pathways (e.g., between trees on a 
trail or bollards on a path) could be problematic if the wheel strikes it. 

Kids and dogs moving in a trailer can influence the handling of the bike. 
It depends on the weight and how much they're moving around. 

good luck,
Shoji



On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:12:43 AM UTC-4, rasterdogs wrote:
>
> I'm exploring the use of a dog trailer so I can take our new pup to work 
> with me.  
>
> I'll use my Saluki if I do this.
>
> I'm interested of others have experience towing trailers with their Riv's. 
> I'm thinking a Doggyride trailer looks like a good choice.
>
> Thanks,
> JimD
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Re: [RBW] Re: Attn Sac area folks: Meet Your Makers ride this Saturday June 6

[Jeremy Till]

All of the most recent information is on Facebook: 

https://www.facebook.com/events/925697187482553/

I have it from the guy organizing the event-- Robert Ives of Blue Collar 
Bikes--that the gravel portion of the long ride will be relatively short, 
less than 10 miles for sure.  There will be no gravel on the shorter 
option.  I know people who will be doing it on road bikes with 28's; I feel 
like any tire larger than 32mm or so would work well.   

For those attending, make sure to pick up some raffle tickets!  $5 each and 
all of the proceeds are going to benefit the local pit bull rescue and the 
top prizes are two locally made bikes--one Blue Collar 26+ (so 26x2.75" 
tires) dirt jumper and a Ventana El Gordo fat bike.  I've been up close and 
personal with both and while not exactly Riv-ish, they are awesome.

On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 10:09:09 AM UTC-7, danmc wrote:
>
> I thought it was a 50 mile ride. Is there a shorter loop option? Did not 
> see it on the site. 
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Jeremy Till > 
> wrote:
>
> I'm going to try to be there, the condition of my right knee will 
> determine if I do the full 60 mile ride or the shorter loop.  
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:07:11 PM UTC-7, Neil wrote:
>>
>> Any other Riv-ish folks up for this? Looks like fun, I plan on riding my 
>> Sam. Flat ride, hope the wind isn't too brutal.
>>
>> http://meetyourmakertour.com/rides/june-6-2015/
>>
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Re: [RBW] Saluki - Dog Trailers?

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my buddy did just this with is Saluki. he fashioned chicken wire around an 
existing trailer to tow his pooch around

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[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[Ron Mc]

brought up this old topic for two reasons - first to show off my results 
over the winter with spar varnish on cork and shellac on twine wraps (it 
was brown twine, chosen to accent the spalted look of the varnished cork)


but also to mention this other product that fly rod builders use - this 
won't make the cork look dark and spalted, but instead will seal the cork 
and keep it looking bright and natural
http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/U-40/U-40-Cork-Seal-2-oz-

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[RBW] Re: Local Rivendell Dealer suggestions for DELMARVA area?

[Kevin Lindsey]

Alan -

Given the growing popularity of bike-share programs in the D.C. area (which 
feature about the most un-racer bikes imaginable) and what I believe is a 
very real upsurge in the number of people who bike commute or who otherwise 
might appreciate a comfortable ride, the idea of growing a "Riv East" 
business is appealing.  However, I've discussed the idea with several of 
the area bike shops, and none of 'em were very keen on the idea.  In a 
nutshell:
A) The majority of LBS owners still believe that the big bucks are in 
selling upscale carbon fiber road bikes and associated components.  Brand 
names seem to count for a lot in the D.C. area, and it's hard to compete 
with the likes of Trek, Specialized, and other mega-brands;
B) There is a perception - maybe correct - that Rivendell is not 
enthusiastic about selling its bikes via retail establishments.  This makes 
some local bike shops nervous and leads them to wonder whether they could 
trust Riv as a long-term partner;
C) The D.C. market for Rivendell - a pricey and, let's admit it, quirky 
firm and product - may not be strong enough to justify the initial 
expenditure;
D) The shops would not keep a large selection of Riv bikes in stock, but 
would have to order them once they are purchased by individual customers.  
In this case, the customer would be better off simply buying them directly 
from Riv (in which case they would also not pay local sales tax);
E) Etc.
I don't do retail and so have no idea whether I've correctly articulated 
the LBS points and, if so, whether they're valid.  However, the lack of 
interest in stocking Rivs and Riv-like bikes was pretty obvious from the 
few shop owners I've spoken to over the years.  This being said, I can't 
help but think there's enough money and cycling enthusiasm in the D.C. area 
to justify an attempt to try establishing a Riv East somewhere in the 
area.  I'd gladly shop there, at least until my wife puts out a restraining 
order to keep me and my wallet away from it.
All the best,
Kevin in Alexandria


On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:12:30 AM UTC-4, Alan Pickett wrote:
>
> What to DC-centric folks think about helping develop a local dealer for 
> Riv Bikes, as requested a bug-post or two ago?
>
> I love the gang at Proteus Bikes in College Park, and I know that College 
> Park Bicycles has an affinity with Grant/Riv, but somehow I wonder if a 
> place like Bicycle Space - which just recently opened a new shop right 
> smack in downtown DC, might have real potential, by tapping into a well 
> moneyed, bike-commutin' crowd with consumer tastes just precious enough to 
> make the gorgeous lugs and paint on Riv Bikes a beacon of irresistible 
> attraction. Does anyone know the Bicycle Space people? Could we talk to 
> them?
>
> Either that, or a few of us could quit our day jobs and attempt to open a 
> bike store... I would assume that we would all become filthy stinking rich 
> in short order, right?
>
> Alan in Silver Spring
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Re: [RBW] Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[blakcloud]

I have used trailers for the last twenty years in some form or another. My 
current rig is my Sam pulling a Burley Travoy. This trailer is light and 
even when loaded isn't a problem. I love trailers and if I had a dog I 
would do the same thing as you. Have fun. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[David Hays]

Nice work Ron. 
I just shellacked my bar tape but for next time, any specific suggestions on 
which type of spar varnish?
David

> On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Ron Mc  > wrote:
> 
> brought up this old topic for two reasons - first to show off my results over 
> the winter with spar varnish on cork and shellac on twine wraps (it was brown 
> twine, chosen to accent the spalted look of the varnished cork)
>  
> 
> but also to mention this other product that fly rod builders use - this won't 
> make the cork look dark and spalted, but instead will seal the cork and keep 
> it looking bright and natural
> http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/U-40/U-40-Cork-Seal-2-oz- 
> 
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[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[drew]

yes, beautiful and great idea. i don't use cork grips, but im wondering how 
this would work on cloth tape. now i shellack them and while i like the 
look and the weather resistance, the hardness is not ideal.  have you tried 
the spar varnish over cloth? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Jim Bronson]

I don't know what the XL standover is but the Elephant folks did offer to
work with me on a full custom NFE frame since the stock sizes in their
production run will not fit me.  I promised not to divulge any specifics so
I won't, but I would recommend calling or emailing them and talking to them
about it.

I didn't end up getting the frame built, but it wasn't due to a lack of
want - the reasons were primarily financial on my side.  I ended up buying
that 68 Redwood that was on eBay a while ago - but the Redwood is
definitely more of a compromise for the intended task than the NFE would
have been.

I would contact them and see if they will work with you, if you don't think
the stock XL would fit.  Nice folks.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anybody out there have an XL Elephant? If so, might you report the
> standover?
>
> Thanks much,
> D.
>
>
> On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:40:14 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> There were a ton of the NFE on the Oregon Outback and I have to admit I
>> was envious. Many were setup just like I had my Atlantis - front panniers,
>> rando boxy bag, and a saddle bag. They can fit 2.35 knobbies, or 42 slicks
>> with fenders. On the wet descents with the loaded bike, I definitely wanted
>> their disc brakes. I have Paul touring canti's with kool stop salmon and
>> they were all but useless when we got up to 70km/h with wet rims. The
>> finish on them is very good, and they're very light. I'm actually planning
>> on buying one next season, but keeping the Atlantis for the real heavy
>> lifting.
>>
>> On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, Hudson Doerge wrote:
>>>
>>> I absolutely love my first batch NFE. The tubing is perfect for my
>>> weight, uses, and riding style. The fork is more supple than my previous
>>> rawland rsogn and my simpleone, but all things aren't equal so it's pretty
>>> hard to say with certainty. As I understand it, it's possible to make a
>>> supple disc fork, but very difficult in a production setting. Glen had
>>> special mounts machined locally to keep the fork as compliant as possible.
>>> All I really know is that the bike rides wonderfully and was a killer value
>>> for a domestically made frame. Highly recommend.
>>>
>>> Hudson in atx.
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Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[Ron Mc]

I have some fancy stuff around, Sutherland Welles, but plain old Helmsman 
available at hardware stores, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. is very good spar 
varnish.  If you buy varnish, you also want to get some kind of inert gas 
like Bloxygen (you don't need this with shellac or the U-40 sealant).  Pour 
out your working varnish supply into a glass jar, spray Bloxygen and seal 
the can.  Also spray Bloxygen into the top of the jar every time you close 
it.  Both can and jar will keep indefinitely.  Wipe on a thin coat with a 
lint-free cloth and go away for a day.  After your coats are done, let it 
dry a couple of days and lightly buff with a clean lint-free cloth (removes 
oil that would otherwise pick up on your hands and gloves).  

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:42:01 AM UTC-5, David Hays wrote:
>
> Nice work Ron. 
> I just shellacked my bar tape but for next time, any specific suggestions 
> on which type of spar varnish?
> David
>
> On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Ron Mc > 
> wrote:
>
> brought up this old topic for two reasons - first to show off my results 
> over the winter with spar varnish on cork and shellac on twine wraps (it 
> was brown twine, chosen to accent the spalted look of the varnished cork)
>
>
> 
> but also to mention this other product that fly rod builders use - this 
> won't make the cork look dark and spalted, but instead will seal the cork 
> and keep it looking bright and natural
> http://www.mudhole.com/Rod-Building/U-40/U-40-Cork-Seal-2-oz-
>
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Re: [RBW] cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[Jim Bronson]

Spar varnish - is this for boat spars, aircraft wing spars, or both?

On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> I come from a bamboo fly rod background, and we used flexible coatings to
> turn fibrous materials into tough composites - spar varnish, and maybe as
> exotic as mastic varnish on silk thread wraps or to turn an old silk braid
> into a floating fly line.  When I made my first twine wrap on a bike, it
> was natural for me to coat it with spar varnish.  Later wraps, found out
> shellac is awesome for this application because twine wraps on a bike don't
> need to be flexible - twine it, shellac it, and it's good to go and go.
> More than 2 coats would also be a mistake.
>
> While I haven't tried shellac on cork grips, its use there doesn't make
> sense.  Take a soft grippy material and put a hard slick exoskeleton on it
> - seems to defeat every purpose of a cork grip.
> Three years ago, when I put cork grips on my daughter's upright bike, I
> used spar varnish and here's the result 3 years later - it's soft and
> grippy, and still beads water like a new Ferrari
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> That's the good news - now the bad news:  you have to be patient, because
> it takes 7 days to do this right (hey, it takes a month to mastic-varnish a
> silk fly line).  You want 5 coats, and wait a day between each coat to let
> it soak and cure.  You apply thin coats and of course the cork sucks it
> right up.  Wait a day and apply another.  It won't be until the 4th coat
> that you can see the cork is sealed and you're apply a build-up.  After the
> last coat, give it two days to cure, and it will still feel tacky - don't
> worry.  Take a lint-free cloth and buff it like you're shining shoes.  You
> will be delighted with the result for years...
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Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[Ron Mc]

btw, propane is an inexpensive substitute for Bloxygen, in case you have a 
gas grill or camp lantern.  

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:07:03 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I have some fancy stuff around, Sutherland Welles, but plain old Helmsman 
> available at hardware stores, Lowes, Home Depot, etc. is very good spar 
> varnish.  If you buy varnish, you also want to get some kind of inert gas 
> like Bloxygen (you don't need this with shellac or the U-40 sealant).  Pour 
> out your working varnish supply into a glass jar, spray Bloxygen and seal 
> the can.  Also spray Bloxygen into the top of the jar every time you close 
> it.  Both can and jar will keep indefinitely.  Wipe on a thin coat with a 
> lint-free cloth and go away for a day.  After your coats are done, let it 
> dry a couple of days and lightly buff with a clean lint-free cloth (removes 
> oil that would otherwise pick up on your hands and gloves).  
>
>
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[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[Ron Mc]

drew, I've never tried but it should work, and the U-40 should, as well. 
 Shellac is hard, but Varnish or U-40 will be tough and flexible.  

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:07:51 AM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> yes, beautiful and great idea. i don't use cork grips, but im wondering 
> how this would work on cloth tape. now i shellack them and while i like the 
> look and the weather resistance, the hardness is not ideal.  have you tried 
> the spar varnish over cloth? 
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Re: [RBW] cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[Ron Mc]

any weathering application of a flexible fibrous material that will absorb 
the oils - bamboo fly rods, too - this one was made in 1915 
of course the name came from spars on sailing ships




On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:13:25 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> Spar varnish - is this for boat spars, aircraft wing spars, or both?
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Visting Portland

[Kurt Manley]

Jack, Awesome list! Thanks man Will check out a few of these for 
sure

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 7:15:02 AM UTC-7, Jack B wrote:
>
> If beers are what you want, then there are some great options not far from 
> Rivelo, in the SE quadrant:
> • Hair of the Dog is at SE Water & Yamhill, maybe a mile due north of 
> Rivelo. Strangely I've never been, but great beers. BIG beers though, so if 
> you have more riding to do then be careful.
> • The Commons Brewery has a new tasting room at SE 7th & Belmont. Their 
> Belgian- and Euro-Inspired beers are a refreshing change from the hop-heavy 
> IPAs found elsewhere (though I love those too). Highly recommend. 
> • Just a few blocks East is the  Cascade Barrel House (sour beers) and 
> Green Dragon (owned by Rogue, but with 50+ rotating taps, mostly not 
> Rogue). Both have good outdoor seating if weather is good. 
> • Head north of here for Base Camp Brewing, south for Lucky Lab, even 
> further south to Division St. for Apex Beer bar (actally almost due East 
> from Rivelo). Great outdoor seating at all three.
> • If you do plan to visit Mt. Tabor then you could take the Salmon St. 
> bike boulevard most of the way from Central Eastside. Much nicer route than 
> any of the busy streets with bike lanes.
> • Along the way to or from Tabor I'd suggest a stop at The Horse Brass 
> Pub, a real Portland institution. 50+ taps, knowledgeable staff. 
>
> Have fun!
>
> On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 3:04:56 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>
>> So much good advice Thanks everyone who's chimed in! Some great stuff 
>> here. Grateful to have this list as a resource.
>>
>> Keep em coming!
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 9:14:47 AM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>>
>>> My girlfriend and I are taking a road trip up to Portland in a couple 
>>> weeks and bringing our bikes. We plan on riding around fairly leisurely and 
>>> enjoying a great town. I've been before but never had the pleasure of 
>>> having my Riv (or any bike for that matter) with me. 
>>>
>>> Any tips? Good routes, sights, beer stops? We will def stop by Rivelo 
>>> and Velo Cult. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Dan]

I'd be interested in folks' experience with the XL size too. This frame is 
really really close to my ideal; recently I've even come to think discs are 
a good idea on this type of bike.  At this point my biggest hesitation is 
the wheel size, even though I thought the wheels on my 29er felt TOO big, 
650B still scares me for some reason. 

Dan

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:10:32 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I don't know what the XL standover is but the Elephant folks did offer to 
> work with me on a full custom NFE frame since the stock sizes in their 
> production run will not fit me.  I promised not to divulge any specifics so 
> I won't, but I would recommend calling or emailing them and talking to them 
> about it.
>
> I didn't end up getting the frame built, but it wasn't due to a lack of 
> want - the reasons were primarily financial on my side.  I ended up buying 
> that 68 Redwood that was on eBay a while ago - but the Redwood is 
> definitely more of a compromise for the intended task than the NFE would 
> have been.
>
> I would contact them and see if they will work with you, if you don't 
> think the stock XL would fit.  Nice folks.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Daniel Jackson  > wrote:
>
>> Anybody out there have an XL Elephant? If so, might you report the 
>> standover?
>>
>> Thanks much,
>> D.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 6:40:14 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> There were a ton of the NFE on the Oregon Outback and I have to admit I 
>>> was envious. Many were setup just like I had my Atlantis - front panniers, 
>>> rando boxy bag, and a saddle bag. They can fit 2.35 knobbies, or 42 slicks 
>>> with fenders. On the wet descents with the loaded bike, I definitely wanted 
>>> their disc brakes. I have Paul touring canti's with kool stop salmon and 
>>> they were all but useless when we got up to 70km/h with wet rims. The 
>>> finish on them is very good, and they're very light. I'm actually planning 
>>> on buying one next season, but keeping the Atlantis for the real heavy 
>>> lifting. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 7:10:55 PM UTC-5, Hudson Doerge wrote:

 I absolutely love my first batch NFE. The tubing is perfect for my 
 weight, uses, and riding style. The fork is more supple than my previous 
 rawland rsogn and my simpleone, but all things aren't equal so it's pretty 
 hard to say with certainty. As I understand it, it's possible to make a 
 supple disc fork, but very difficult in a production setting. Glen had 
 special mounts machined locally to keep the fork as compliant as possible. 
 All I really know is that the bike rides wonderfully and was a killer 
 value 
 for a domestically made frame. Highly recommend. 

 Hudson in atx. 
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[RBW] Re: Ram/Rom/Red 650b Conversions.

[Leslie]

I did.  (I'm might be one of the ones that you'd ran across in 
researching)

I probably should have gone w/ a Hilsen over the Rambouillet, given that 
I'm not svelte, but, when I was looking at the frames at MSL, that green 
just was screaming my name.  Bought it as a frame, built it up myself.  w/ 
700c 28's, fenders were fine, but I wanted to run 32's, and didn't have 
much room.  Tried w/ fenders, w/o fenders, w/ 28's, w/ 32s... decided I 
wanted 32s and fenders, and at my size, had enough tire deformation that 
it'd rub...   I'd gotten a 650b Bombadil, so, one day, messin' around, I'd 
swapped my 700c wheels onto the Bomba; since I had Motolites, I could just 
raise the pads and it worked fine.   But, I had the 650b wheelset sitting 
there, decided to try them on the Ram, as all I'd need was a brakeset (I 
had started w/ the Tektro R538 calipers, switched to R559's)...  and, it 
worked fine.   So...   I ended up building a dyno wheelset for the Ram, 
returned the Bomba's wheelset.  The thing the conversion did for me, was 
put me onto a larger tire, as I'm running Hetres;  they fit under my 
fenders w/ clearance, but because they're a 42, I ended up not having 
issues w/ the BB drop, as a 650b-42 is right there at a 700c-25... and, I'm 
not so aggressive, I don't pedal through corners anyway...   (and, my 
cranks are 172.5's instead of 175's;  170's might be a bit better).  

If I was a more reasonable weight, I wouldn't have felt the need to go to a 
larger tire, would have been happy on the 700c-28's under fenders, or, if I 
would have been happy w/o fenders, I could have lived fine enough w/ the 
700c-32's.   Or if I'd had a Hilsen, no prob...

But, I can't say I have any reason to regret switching my Ram to 650b, 
either...  I did gain a cushy tire, that's under fenders, and, it became 
just a bit more unique in the process   FWIW.   


-L


On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 1:57:56 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> After pondering how to get a decent 650b road bike built up to ride, the 
> most obvious solution evaded me all week until last night I realized I 
> should convert my Redwood to 650b and try and fit 42mm tires and fenders.
> I think what's kept me from doing this is the 77mm drop, though I did just 
> fine with a Trek conversion with 72mm drop and traditional pedals. If I run 
> VP-001s (Thin Gripsters) that's basically makes up for the difference in 
> drop and eases concerns about pedal strike.
> I've checked archives here and there was at least a couple conversions of 
> a Ram. 
> I have long reach Tektros, Koolstop thinline brakes, and have no issue 
> filing brake slots if need be. I believe I have all the necessary parts 
> needed and it really (hopefully!) will just be an easy swap of brakes and 
> wheels.
> Anyone else converted a Rambouillet/Romulus/Redwood to 650b? Impressions? 
> Advice?
> David
> Chicago
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[RBW] Re: Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Leslie]

When we head to the coast, I rent a trailer, to tow one of the kids 
around   
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
 


I've had no problems, ridin' around the village...   but yes, it can tip 
the bike over, if weight is getting shifted around...   how well behaved is 
the dog?   

The Bombadil is a stout bike, tho'... not that I don't think the Saluki 
could handle it, but, the Bomba is a workhorse of a bike


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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/02/2015 12:56 PM, Dan wrote:
I'd be interested in folks' experience with the XL size too. This 
frame is really really close to my ideal; recently I've even come to 
think discs are a good idea on this type of bike.  At this point my 
biggest hesitation is the wheel size, even though I thought the wheels 
on my 29er felt TOO big, 650B still scares me for some reason.


You should try to figure out what exactly frightens you about 650B. 
Perhaps trying to enumerate them might help you decide one way or the other.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Mike Shaljian]

For this price you can get more bike than you'd ever know what to do with in 
the Jones Plus. 2.1" max tire seems awfully limiting to me when 3" tires give 
you the ability to do real mountain biking and fly down loose gravel descents 
with confidence. Pretty MUSA bike though! 

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[RBW] Re: Local Rivendell Dealer suggestions for DELMARVA area?

[bo richardson]

i talked to jack kimmes who helped start Kulshan Cycles in Bellingham, Wa.
a few years ago about carrying Riv bikes and rivvish parts and accessories.
Kulshan carried Bridgestone and worked with Grant, and is about as canny as 
anyone gets about bicycle retail and business in general.

Jack said "anything in my shop that isnt major brand like Trek 
takes up floor space and costs me money."

Granted, (pun noted) Bellingham is a small, family type city. Free Range Cycles
in Seattle and Elliot Bay, plus that shop on Commercial Drive in Vancouver
do carry Rivvish stuff. But Elliot Bay discontinued Riv bikes well before they 
retired, even though I sold two Roms for them.

OTOH REI started out of someone's garage in Seattle. And Riv has 
educated it's audience and prepared the market in wonderful ways.

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[RBW] Seeking Rack Advice

[Lynne Fitz]

Racktime (Ortlieb's value line) has a nice collection of racks.  The Addit (on 
my RIvendell Bleriot) is a wonderful commute rack, but allows for more 
adventurous outings.  The Standit is a basic rear rack.  The Foldit is a rear 
rack which folds flat for packing; I used one on my Sweetpea for a 
self-supported East Coast credit card tour from VA to NJ last fall.

The Addit doesn't complain when, in addition to basic commute gear, I also toss 
in a laptop and 6lbs of coffee beans...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Anne Paulson]

Speaking of the Jones Plus, how short can a person be and still fit
it? It looks like a big for tall people, even in the smaller size.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Mike Shaljian  wrote:
> For this price you can get more bike than you'd ever know what to do with in 
> the Jones Plus. 2.1" max tire seems awfully limiting to me when 3" tires give 
> you the ability to do real mountain biking and fly down loose gravel descents 
> with confidence. Pretty MUSA bike though!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Mike Shaljian]

I consulted a friend of mine who is 5'6.5" and she is very happy with the Jones 
Plus. To my surprise, she even maxxed out the 250mm seatpost I recommended (and 
she's running a 70mm, 0º rise stem, as per Jeff's recc.). She hasn't ridden it 
with 29+ tires yet, but on Super Motos she is more than comfortable with the 
standover height, and I expect she'll be fine with 3" tires. It seems like 5'6" 
is the lower height limit, depending on proportions.

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Rack Advice

[drew]

+1 on racktime. they make nice quality stuff at an acceptable pricepoint. 
the clem rack is OK, but racktime is a much better value

i would also say that the nitto big back rack is actually not that much 
heavier than most other racks, but adequately heavy duty. i leave one on my 
bike all the time and even though it is just saddlebag support most of the 
time, im always happy for it's strength when i need it. for a while i was 
debating swapping it with something lighter, but id be saving well less 
than a pound in weight and losing a lot of versatility. 

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Rack Advice

[Will]

I've equipped 4 of our bikes with Tubus Logo Evo's. I cannot say enough 
good things about the rack. Four things worth knowing:

1) it is extremely well made and substantial without being heavy
2) it fits Ortlieb bags perfectly since the bags and the racks are 
co-engineered.
3) it has a high and low carry rail. 
4) it fits and protects the B&M Topline light, which is the best tail-light 
on the market. 

You have a choice of silver or black. 

Wayne: 
http://www.thetouringstore.com/TUBUS/TUBUS%20HOME/TUBUS%20HOME%20PAGE.htm
is a very good fellow to deal with. He's price competitive and very 
responsive. If you do buy from him, be sure to get that Topline rear light. 



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>
> I'm looking for a rear rack for my VO Campeur, and a bit overwhelmed by 
> all the choices. Anyone with opinions to share?
>
> The rack might see some light touring, but the primary use will be for my 
> daily commute, usually with one ortlieb roller pannier, ~15 lbs load. 
> Occasionally I'll stuff it heavier, say 20 lbs.
>
> I love the idea of the Clem rack but am skeptical about carrying panniers 
> on this rack. Maybe it could handle my light daily load, but I also take 
> the bag off at least twice daily, so it should be easy to mount & remove 
> the bag.  
>
> VO's Campeur rack would be an obvious choice but seems like overkill 
> plus I'm a bit self conscious about riding around like a VO advertisement 
> with too many of their parts, I prefer to mix it up. Would Nitto's R-15 do 
> the trick?
>
> Weight is not a huge issue, but I do lug my bike up 3 flights of stairs 
> each day.
>
> Thanks for any input from the group!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Anne Paulson]

In the pics the Jones Plus looks huge, but the standover height for
the smaller model is 31", which is barely bigger than the standover
height for my Surly Krampus in size small.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Mike Shaljian  wrote:
> I consulted a friend of mine who is 5'6.5" and she is very happy with the 
> Jones Plus. To my surprise, she even maxxed out the 250mm seatpost I 
> recommended (and she's running a 70mm, 0º rise stem, as per Jeff's recc.). 
> She hasn't ridden it with 29+ tires yet, but on Super Motos she is more than 
> comfortable with the standover height, and I expect she'll be fine with 3" 
> tires. It seems like 5'6" is the lower height limit, depending on proportions.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Attn Sac area folks: Meet Your Makers ride this Saturday June 6

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thank You Jeremy.  I had no idea this was such a big event.



On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 8:07:26 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> All of the most recent information is on Facebook: 
>
> https://www.facebook.com/events/925697187482553/
>
> I have it from the guy organizing the event-- Robert Ives of Blue Collar 
> Bikes--that the gravel portion of the long ride will be relatively short, 
> less than 10 miles for sure.  There will be no gravel on the shorter 
> option.  I know people who will be doing it on road bikes with 28's; I feel 
> like any tire larger than 32mm or so would work well.   
>
> For those attending, make sure to pick up some raffle tickets!  $5 each 
> and all of the proceeds are going to benefit the local pit bull rescue and 
> the top prizes are two locally made bikes--one Blue Collar 26+ (so 26x2.75" 
> tires) dirt jumper and a Ventana El Gordo fat bike.  I've been up close and 
> personal with both and while not exactly Riv-ish, they are awesome.
>
> On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 10:09:09 AM UTC-7, danmc wrote:
>>
>> I thought it was a 50 mile ride. Is there a shorter loop option? Did not 
>> see it on the site. 
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to try to be there, the condition of my right knee will 
>> determine if I do the full 60 mile ride or the shorter loop.  
>>
>> On Sunday, May 31, 2015 at 7:07:11 PM UTC-7, Neil wrote:
>>>
>>> Any other Riv-ish folks up for this? Looks like fun, I plan on riding my 
>>> Sam. Flat ride, hope the wind isn't too brutal.
>>>
>>> http://meetyourmakertour.com/rides/june-6-2015/
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Seeking Rack Advice

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

I'm *very, very *font of this rack:

http://www.amazon.com/Axiom-Streamliner-Road-Cycle-Black/dp/B0025UCXEO/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1433267548&sr=1-1&keywords=Axiom+Streamliner+Road+DLX+Racks

It's somewhat minimalist in orientation, being very narrow at the top.  You 
can't use a rack top bag with it.

It comes in black or silver and is *solid.*  It's intended for use on a 
road bike with very short stays, and to mount to the rear skewer.  Since I 
have longish stays, I shortened the feet on mine and mounted it to the 
rack/fender mounts at the dropouts.  I have the silver one and it looks 
very nice on my VO Rando, IMO.  I have carried law books in panniers on it, 
which should assure you of its strength.

The one gotcha for some folks is that it *does* use oversized tubing, so 
you have to make sure your pannier system can handle that.  I use Arkel's 
system, which is very happy with this rack.  JANDD stuff is of course, also 
fine with it.

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:15:03 AM UTC-4, Jack B wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a rear rack for my VO Campeur, and a bit overwhelmed by 
> all the choices. Anyone with opinions to share?
>
> The rack might see some light touring, but the primary use will be for my 
> daily commute, usually with one ortlieb roller pannier, ~15 lbs load. 
> Occasionally I'll stuff it heavier, say 20 lbs.
>
> I love the idea of the Clem rack but am skeptical about carrying panniers 
> on this rack. Maybe it could handle my light daily load, but I also take 
> the bag off at least twice daily, so it should be easy to mount & remove 
> the bag.  
>
> VO's Campeur rack would be an obvious choice but seems like overkill 
> plus I'm a bit self conscious about riding around like a VO advertisement 
> with too many of their parts, I prefer to mix it up. Would Nitto's R-15 do 
> the trick?
>
> Weight is not a huge issue, but I do lug my bike up 3 flights of stairs 
> each day.
>
> Thanks for any input from the group!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Drop Bar Dirt Hillborne

[EGNolan]

Thanks Kieran!

On Saturday, May 30, 2015 at 8:35:47 PM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> I've got about 44.5mm wide, 42.5mm tall on Mavic A319s.
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 at 1:05:37 PM UTC-4, EGNolan wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone put a caliper on the SS's to see how wide/tall they are in 
>> reality? I've got 38's & fenders on an ol' Novara Randonee at the moment & 
>> am hoping I can fit the SS's in there sans fenders. Any help'll be much 
>> appreciated.
>>  
>> Best,
>> Eric
>> Indps
>>  
>>  
>>
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[RBW] Sackville Backabike Bag on HAB Frontabike Rack?

[Clayton.sf]

Hi All,

QQ -  Sackville Backabike Bag on HAB Frontabike Rack? Does this work?

Thanks,
Clayton, SF

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[RBW] Re: Local Rivendell Dealer suggestions for DELMARVA area?

[Philip Kim]

I would also like this.

I commute from NE DC to VA about 3-4 times a week, and I usually see a 
majority of aluminum bikes (Trek, Giant, etc), although I have seen an 
Atlantis pretty recently.

With Riv coming out with the Clems at a lower price point, it may be 
doable. I think Bicycle Space sells Pashley, Bromptons, and Handsome Cycle 
bikes, so they aren't entirely about mainstream branding.

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:12:30 AM UTC-4, Alan Pickett wrote:
>
> What to DC-centric folks think about helping develop a local dealer for 
> Riv Bikes, as requested a bug-post or two ago?
>
> I love the gang at Proteus Bikes in College Park, and I know that College 
> Park Bicycles has an affinity with Grant/Riv, but somehow I wonder if a 
> place like Bicycle Space - which just recently opened a new shop right 
> smack in downtown DC, might have real potential, by tapping into a well 
> moneyed, bike-commutin' crowd with consumer tastes just precious enough to 
> make the gorgeous lugs and paint on Riv Bikes a beacon of irresistible 
> attraction. Does anyone know the Bicycle Space people? Could we talk to 
> them?
>
> Either that, or a few of us could quit our day jobs and attempt to open a 
> bike store... I would assume that we would all become filthy stinking rich 
> in short order, right?
>
> Alan in Silver Spring
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Mike Shaljian]

Yeah, I think one of the big features of Jeff's geometry is that the 24" or 25" 
ETT models can fit basically anyone from 5'6 - 6'6, given different 
seatpost/stem combinations. He also makes a point that the 24" Plus starts with 
the same reach as a small (I think) ECR, and you just go from there with 
changing the components to optimize fit. I can't conceive of a more versatile 
and fun bike, the hype you see about Jones bikes on the web is very real in 
practice. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Elephant National Park Explorer

[Clayton.sf]

I have a standard steel Jones Diamond. It is nothing short of amazing. 
Would love to have a plus too.

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 11:23:42 AM UTC-7, Mike Shaljian wrote:
>
> Yeah, I think one of the big features of Jeff's geometry is that the 24" 
> or 25" ETT models can fit basically anyone from 5'6 - 6'6, given different 
> seatpost/stem combinations. He also makes a point that the 24" Plus starts 
> with the same reach as a small (I think) ECR, and you just go from there 
> with changing the components to optimize fit. I can't conceive of a more 
> versatile and fun bike, the hype you see about Jones bikes on the web is 
> very real in practice. 

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[RBW] FS: 63cm A. Homer Hilsen, 4 46T chainrings, a pair of Schwalbe Mondials

[Michael Williams]

hey all,  for sale is a Waterford built 63cm AHH.   Its prob 5 years old,  Im 
the 3rd owner.   Its got scratches and paint chips but no dings or dents.   I 
rode this bike a fair bit.   The brake cable guides were moved from under the 
top tube to on top,and the top tube is a VERY SLIGHT different blue.  I'll try 
and get some pics together.  Asking $1100 plus packing/ shipping.

Also for sale are 4 46T 110bcd chainrings. 1 is brand new for $20, other 3 are 
slightly used $15 each.
 
1 pair 700x 47 Schwalbe Mondials $40/ pair
Please contact off list.Thanks!   -Mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[Richard Rios]

Hi all,

sorry for the off topic post. But  since I noticed Peter M has become active on 
the list again I wanted to warn other members should he post items for sale in 
the future DO NOT buy from him as he will accept payment but not send you your 
items.  Although other list members have had difficulty dealing with him 
ultimately they received their stuff. I and another list member were not so 
lucky.  Forgive this interruption but I would like to be a small part of 
keeping ROB a safe and fun place to share ideas and buy goods from other like 
minded members. 

Sincerely,
Richard 

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Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[Richard Rios]

Hi all,

sorry for the off topic post. But  since I noticed Peter M has become active on 
the list again I wanted to warn other members should he post items for sale in 
the future DO NOT buy from him as he will accept payment but not send you your 
items.  Although other list members have had difficulty dealing with him 
ultimately they received their stuff. I and another list member were not so 
lucky.  Forgive this interruption but I would like to be a small part of 
keeping ROB a safe and fun place to share ideas and buy goods from other like 
minded members. 

Sincerely,
Richard 

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[RBW] Re: Seeking Rack Advice

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

#3 is a very nice feature and can easily be overlooked.

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:56:12 AM UTC-7, Will wrote:
>
> I've equipped 4 of our bikes with Tubus Logo Evo's. I cannot say enough 
> good things about the rack. Four things worth knowing:
>
> 1) it is extremely well made and substantial without being heavy
> 2) it fits Ortlieb bags perfectly since the bags and the racks are 
> co-engineered.
> 3) it has a high and low carry rail. 
> 4) it fits and protects the B&M Topline light, which is the best 
> tail-light on the market. 
>
> You have a choice of silver or black. 
>
> Wayne: 
> http://www.thetouringstore.com/TUBUS/TUBUS%20HOME/TUBUS%20HOME%20PAGE.htm
> is a very good fellow to deal with. He's price competitive and very 
> responsive. If you do buy from him, be sure to get that Topline rear light. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 9:15:03 AM UTC-5, Jack B wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for a rear rack for my VO Campeur, and a bit overwhelmed by 
>> all the choices. Anyone with opinions to share?
>>
>> The rack might see some light touring, but the primary use will be for my 
>> daily commute, usually with one ortlieb roller pannier, ~15 lbs load. 
>> Occasionally I'll stuff it heavier, say 20 lbs.
>>
>> I love the idea of the Clem rack but am skeptical about carrying panniers 
>> on this rack. Maybe it could handle my light daily load, but I also take 
>> the bag off at least twice daily, so it should be easy to mount & remove 
>> the bag.  
>>
>> VO's Campeur rack would be an obvious choice but seems like overkill 
>> plus I'm a bit self conscious about riding around like a VO advertisement 
>> with too many of their parts, I prefer to mix it up. Would Nitto's R-15 do 
>> the trick?
>>
>> Weight is not a huge issue, but I do lug my bike up 3 flights of stairs 
>> each day.
>>
>> Thanks for any input from the group!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[drew]

looks like the intense draw of the rivendell group has brought him out of 
hiding.  somewhat insulted and shocked that he thinks he can just show up 
again. im not as diplomatic as Richard. Peter, you owe me money, man... a 
decent person would also include a sincere apology. 

sorry to be so off topic. needed to be said

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Re: [RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[Ron Mc]

don't know him, but this is a post I dragged up from last year

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 2:06:11 PM UTC-5, Richard Rios wrote:
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> Hi all, 
>
> sorry for the off topic post. But  since I noticed Peter M has become 
> active on the list again I wanted to warn other members should he post 
> items for sale in the future DO NOT buy from him as he will accept payment 
> but not send you your items.  Although other list members have had 
> difficulty dealing with him ultimately they received their stuff. I and 
> another list member were not so lucky.  Forgive this interruption but I 
> would like to be a small part of keeping ROB a safe and fun place to share 
> ideas and buy goods from other like minded members. 
>
> Sincerely, 
> Richard 

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[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[drew]

ah. well we are idiots. i do hope that he stays away. 

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Re: [RBW] loaded handling question

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I'm going to focus on the front rack, trying it w/ a bag cinched to it 
tight w/out a basket, as well as w/ no rack at all.
Just trying to get it to pleasant to ride mode!

On Monday, June 1, 2015 at 8:33:14 PM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
>
> I bet it is your front rack and basket. The little front racks are a lot 
> more wobbly than you think. Grab your basket on each side and with the 
> wheel between your knees, rock each side up and down, and back and forth 
> (yaw). Really flexy isn't it?  That motion is introduced into your forks 
> and frame with steering corrections and bumps. Harmonic feed back keeps it 
> goingThe unequal weight in the back would add to it. I don't think 
> those racks were made for baskets full of stuff, rather a stuff sack with a 
> sleeping bag or a supporting the bottom of a stem/bar supported Randonneur 
> bag. The shimmy on my Atlantis went away, finally, when I took off my Tubus 
> low rider rack, Nitto M-12 mini-rack and replaced them with a Nitto Big 
> Rack. I love my Atlantis and wouldn't give it up for a stiffer bike, ever. 
> I just had to figure out the shimmy, and I did, for MY bike. Good luck!
>
> Claytonious Q
>  
>
>
>
>   On Monday, June 1, 2015 1:03 PM, Jim Bronson  > wrote:
>  
>
> "Loaded handling question" 
> Pun intended?  ;)
> On May 28, 2015 11:07 PM, "cyclotourist"  > wrote:
>
> Last week on a S240, had a great time (except for that one incident)
> but the problem was really, really bad shimmy/wobble. So bad I really
> couldn't take my hands off even for a bit at any speed.
> Rear loaded, with a little bit up front (sleeping bag). Pannier on one
> side only but not a ton of weight in there. Heaviest thing was
> probably the tent, packed up high.
> So what am I packing wrong? I don't want to get a whole new luggage
> system, nor a new bike, just want to work with what I've got and what
> you can see here:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/17795666300/in/photostream/lightbox/
> Suggestions? Want to get it so I'm stable and can ride hands free, at
> least at lower <10mph speeds. Possible, or just the wrong bike for it?
> Intermediate Riv tubing, OS downtube, nothing super light, nor super
> stout, basically like a Hilsen I would guess.
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Re: [RBW] Re: "Last run" of Sams?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Yes, the blessed sixth season...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opzaBVwHy_I 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 7:15:03 AM UTC-7, Chris Chen wrote:
>
> In the words of fat tony, "that's a fine looking model. It would be a 
> shame if it where to be  discontinued"
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:55 PM, cyclotourist  > wrote:
>
>> Sleeping with the fish.
>>
>> Once a Riv goes away, it doesn't come back.
>>
>> On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Reid > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 at 4:00:04 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hmm, Here's a snippet from an RBW newsletter in 2007:
>> >>
>> >> "We have introduced a new model (A. Homer Hilsen) recently, and some
>> >> others are coming up, so rather than overwhelm ourselves with too many
>> >> models, we're putting the Rambouillet to sleep for a while. The alarm 
>> clock
>> >> is set for "sometime in late '08, more'n likely." We do have a few 
>> 50cm and
>> >> 52cm frames and complete bikes ($2350) still available. Sometimes 
>> they're
>> >> listed in the "Web Specials" section but not always. Call to check
>> >> inventory."
>> >>
>> >> The nap continues.  So, as is usual with Riv, if you think you might 
>> want
>> >> it and they have it, buy it.  Or watch this list for resales down the 
>> road.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yeah, I kept dithering with the Rambs, never made a decision, and still 
>> kick
>> > myself over that one. But I love that putting them "to sleep for a 
>> while."
>> > Yeah, like permanently. So now it's "deja-vu all over again" with the 
>> Sam.
>> > What am I gonna do??? I think I have trouble letting go of noticeable 
>> chunks
>> > of money.  :-)
>> >
>> > Reid
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[RBW] Re: Curious: saddle bags versus panniers?

[Neil]

Yep, a big fan of both methods here.

On the daily, I get tons of utility out of my Acorn transverse saddle bag, 
the biggest one they make. I have a matching Acorn tall boxy rando bag in 
front, and between the two I can lug plenty. That's my go-to setup for 
S24O, and can even bring my Tarptent if I wish. The bike looks and handles 
great with this setup.

However, for multi-day trips and lugging groceries, on go the Arkel 
panniers. It's also a great system...I have the big, square, 
one-compartment units that Arkel sold until a year or two ago, designed to 
swallow a grocery bag. Those on the back, with my rando bag on the front, 
is plenty roomy.



On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 6:44:50 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I know many of y'all swear by big saddlebags, supported or not. I've used 
> many if not most of the various large (Nelson upward) saddlebags made over 
> the last 20 years, and though I really like them (I loved the Hoss on the 
> trike and the Sackville Medium on the Curt) I always, always, always come 
> back to a rack and panniers. In fact, my first principle of saddlebag use 
> is:
>
> *Thou shalt not use a rack, the absence of rack being the very *raison 
> d'etre, purpose, advantage, benefit, and finality-in-the-Aristotelian-sense 
> *of 
> the saddlebag; but thou mayest use a support.*
>
> So: you reasons "pro" for saddlebags, with or without racks;
>
> And your reasons "con" for same.
>
> My two reasons:
>
> 1. I can carry more in 2 panniers than in the largest saddlebag (well, 
> I've not used the Sackville Large, but don't tell me it carries more than 2 
> Ortlieb Packers or Rollers); after all, if I'm gonna use a rack, then I 
> might as well get max vol.
>
> 2. Rack/panniers are flexible: None; 1 small; 2 small; 1 small + 1 big; 2 
> big. Not to mention the various patterns, colors, shapes, sizes, and styles 
> of pannier I can attach or forgo attaching.
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[RBW] Possiby still FS: 58cm Sam complete - LA area

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

This came up in a conversation elsewhere. Don't know if it's still FS, but 
worth a shot if you're looking for said bike:

http://theradavist.com/2015/05/rivendell-hillborne-country-bike/#1  

Golden Saddle was brought up as a great potential Riv dealer. 

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Re: [RBW] Nominating Dealers for Sams and Clems

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/01/2015 06:46 AM, Alan Pickett wrote:

Grant's Blug post of May 26th appealed for help nominating bicycle shops - preferably in 
large markets - that might be interested in carrying Sams and Clems. Any thoughts on this 
from folks in the DC area? I love the folks at Proteus Cycles, and recall that College 
Park Bicycles has an affinity with Rivendell (Grant spoke there during his book tour), 
but I actually wondered if the newly moved Bicycle Space might be a great bet. It appears 
to really focus on practical cycling for commuters, carries products, gear and bikes 
(Surly, Linus,  Pashley) that have just the right amount of irreverence for the status 
quo, a little consumeristic snootiness for quality and brand, and are located smack 
downtown in DC in a recently acquired space - getting lots of exposure to well-moneyed 
folk to whom Riv might appeal on multiple levels. They also have a great community 
networking component - hosting plenty of "just-ride" style events.


College Park Bicycles was a Riv dealer for many years.  I'm not sure 
what happened to cause them to quit.





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[RBW] Re: cork grips - shellac vs. spar varnish

[Richard Rios]

Apologies didn't notice the date, but I will let the post stand just in case. 
I'd feel pretty bad if he pops back up and someone else is taken advantage of...

I really do like the varnish idea though as I put shellac on my cork grips and 
they did become hard and slippery. Keeping the grips nice and squishy plus 
waterproof is a fantastic idea. Not sure I personally have the patience for it 
though...

sincerely,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Dirty Kanza

[Wildcat96]

Kellie-Those pictures are great.  Eric Benjamin does a good job capturing 
the emotions of the event.  I would like to point out that while the 
pictures show the DK200 "racers" struggling through the mud, the Half Pint 
100 and 50 DK Lite riders had to endure this same mud pit of hell.

Andy-I had pretty good look using the Force Field Fatty Rumpkins again this 
year.  The were able to shed the mud and I had no flats. I'll have to check 
out the dedicated mud tires.  Several folks used fat bikes, but it was my 
understanding that they did not fair any better in the mud.

I'm going to take a look at the Paul Racer centerpulls.  Sounds like they 
might give me a little extra clearance over the Tektro R559 sidepulls.

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 8:45:45 AM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:

> Here's a link to some excellent photos of the event. DK200 event on the 
> right in the blog.  http://adventuremonkey.com
>
> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 1:47:20 PM UTC-8, Wildcat96 wrote:
>>
>> I just signed up for the non-competitive 100-mile Half Pint. 
>>  Registration opened this morning and they already have nearly 1400 people 
>> signed up.  I had a blast last year despite my blown out bottom bracket 26 
>> miles in.  Beautiful ride through the Konza Prairie and Flint Hills of 
>> Kansas.  Anyone else here participating?I rode the Sam Hillborne last 
>> year, but might try out the Bombadil I'm working on.
>
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[RBW] Re: Possiby still FS: 58cm Sam complete - LA area

[drew]

it was, as of a week ago. i walked in and was deeply confused.  mine also 
is a 2 tt with a non-cream headtube, wide/low double, shellacked 
albastache, mini front rack, brown little big bens.  i didnt understand how 
my bike ended up in the shop.  it didnt make sense until i saw the stem 
shifter. rare to see a rivendell in the wild. scary to see one so similar.

golden saddle is great though. nice guys who do good work and support a 
variety of riding styles. maybe the most welcoming shop in LA


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[RBW] Re: Possiby still FS: 58cm Sam complete - LA area

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Yes, real nice shop and people there, even if they copied your bike! I 
stopped by there last year when CicLAvia was in Echo Park. 
Good luck finding a parking spot though!!! 

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 1:01:26 PM UTC-7, drew wrote:
>
> it was, as of a week ago. i walked in and was deeply confused.  mine also 
> is a 2 tt with a non-cream headtube, wide/low double, shellacked 
> albastache, mini front rack, brown little big bens.  i didnt understand how 
> my bike ended up in the shop.  it didnt make sense until i saw the stem 
> shifter. rare to see a rivendell in the wild. scary to see one so similar.
>
> golden saddle is great though. nice guys who do good work and support a 
> variety of riding styles. maybe the most welcoming shop in LA
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Alternative to Noddle Handlebars

[Ron Mc]

gorgeous ride

On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 2:49:10 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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