[RBW] Soma Oxford vs. Nitto Albatross

[Cecily Walker]

When my bike shop substituted the Soma Oxford handlebars for the Nitto 
Albatrosses I'd originally requested, I was told that the handlebars were 
"just like" Nitto, except for the finish. However, I'm learning that the 
Albatross bars are a bit wider, and they're also a bit longer than the 
Somas. 

I'm wondering if anyone has a photograph or some other graphic that 
compares the size of the two handlebars so that I would be able to see the 
difference? I'm still trying to tune in the right fit on the Betty Foy, and 
even though I've gone in for a fitting, I can't help wondering if the 
longer, wider Albatross handlebars would make an appreciable difference in 
how the bike feels, especially on those days when the arthritis is flaring 
up and my wrists hurt a lot. 

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [RBW] FS: SON28/LX/Dyad wheelset, B&M lights, Nitto Big Front Rack

[Scot Brooks]

Wheelset now $415, so another $25 off. Will also include a bar of extra 
dark chocolate from local producers Theo Chocolate :) 

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[RBW] Re: Soma Oxford vs. Nitto Albatross

[Scot Brooks]

Hi Cecily,
Here's what 
flickrhad to 
offer for the comparison. They really are remarkably similar, even 
near-as-makes-no-difference. We carry both in the shop where I work and I 
really can't tell if there's a difference when I hold the two up to each 
other. I've got the Somas on my bike and they're great, but nothing like 
the Nitto in terms of finish. Not even close.

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Re: [RBW] Saw the coolest thing on trail today.

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great gallery of photos Manny! The crash/recovery narrative is even more 
entertaining!!

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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Eric Platt]

Starting to look like my Hillborne might try a new set of tires this year.
 700x38 is probably the minimum width for me these days.  Very, very
tempting.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
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> I thought I had enough bikes, but now I'm tempted to build a new bike
> around a pair of these tires!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Change my chain or ride it til it skips?

[Eric Platt]

My rule is after each winter replace chain.  No matter how many/few miles.
 This year will probably only get about 150 to 200 miles on the bike with
this chain.  But it will go away by late march.

Personally not to the point where the cassette gets replaced after winter
with that few miles.  Although probably should.

Winter in MN means lots of sand/salt/chemicals on the roads.  It does a
number on chains and chainrings.  That's also a reason some folks like
steel rings. Slower wear.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Chris Chen  wrote:

> And if you don't do it, eventually your chain, rings, and cassettes will
> wear and if you get chainsuck at an unfortunate place, you'll crash.
>
> So replace the f'n chain. It's $20.
>
> :)
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> So is it as easy to do myself as just buying a new 9-speed chain,
>> matching the link count and then snapping together the master link?
>>
>> Any tips?
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[RBW] Re: Change my chain or ride it til it skips?

[Michael Hechmer]

I go a step further. I don't necessarily even replace cassettes when they 
start to skip!  Skipping almost always begins with the smallest cog, so I 
replace it.  Now when I buy a new cassette, I buy the best I can find and 
an additional small cog at the same time.  My experience has been that the 
higher end cassettes and chains shift better and last longer than the 
budget versions.

Michael


On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:49:44 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Michael:
>
> My opinion (you'll get others on this) is to swap out the chain early & 
> often.  It's the (relatively) cheapest & easiest to change part in the 
> drive train.  They are always available.  Since I started changing chains 
> more frequently, cassettes last many times longer.  
>
> Chain life is highly dependent on environment & lubrication / care.  I 
> live in a benign chain environment (dry, little dust) and run chains around 
> 3,000 miles and toss 'em because I can find 8 speed for $20.  If you're in 
> a wet climate with lots of road salt/ grit and generally hostile 
> conditions, I've heard of people only going 1,000 miles on a chain.  
>
> The conventional wisdom of changing chains & cassettes at the same time is 
> conservative.  It's recommended by bike shops because you brought them the 
> bike with "shifting problems" and they want you to leave with "problem 
> solved" and not be back next week with "it still doesn't shift like it used 
> to".  My cynical side says this also sells a lot more parts.  
>
> As to the chainrings, you are correct.  Since most of us tend to use one 
> ring for most of our riding, they don't wear out all at once.  Just replace 
> the worn one(s) when they look crappy.  When they get shark finned they 
> also tend to be noisy.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:07:15 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>
>> I know there are two schools of thought on this. Was wondering what Riv 
>> peeps like with these bikes.
>>
>> I have Sugino cranks and some stock RBW cassette. All stock on the Sam.
>>
>> 1. Should I swap it early, or ride it till the cassette is trashed and 
>> then get a new 'sette along with a chain?
>>
>> 2. Also, I am under the impression that chainrings don't have to be 
>> swapped at all until they get shark toothed. Is this right, *just 
>> cassette and chain swaps until then*?
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
>> Sorry if I asked this here before. I searched, but no find. Gettin' some 
>> miles on the Sam and was wondering.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Soma Oxford vs. Nitto Albatross

[doc]

I've got both a pair of Albatross as well as a pair of Oxfords.  I found 
the shapes to be identical, with the Oxfords having a better finish.  While 
I haven't measured them, it seems the Oxfords are also a slightly smaller 
diameter between the ends and the center.  I found them discounted on line 
for $38.

On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:14:47 AM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> When my bike shop substituted the Soma Oxford handlebars for the Nitto 
> Albatrosses I'd originally requested, I was told that the handlebars were 
> "just like" Nitto, except for the finish. However, I'm learning that the 
> Albatross bars are a bit wider, and they're also a bit longer than the 
> Somas. 
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has a photograph or some other graphic that 
> compares the size of the two handlebars so that I would be able to see the 
> difference? I'm still trying to tune in the right fit on the Betty Foy, and 
> even though I've gone in for a fitting, I can't help wondering if the 
> longer, wider Albatross handlebars would make an appreciable difference in 
> how the bike feels, especially on those days when the arthritis is flaring 
> up and my wrists hurt a lot. 
>
> Thanks in advance!
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Can you have too much twine?

[Tim Gavin]

steampunk lowrider?


On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, hsmitham  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Yes that's definitely a labor of love. I love it! But I can appreciate
> creative beauty from afar. So as much as I love it I personally would go in
> a different direction. Regarding can you twine too much? Nah twine away!
> But you made me laugh it does have that Low rider/Riv fusion thing going
> on.
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:57:18 PM UTC-8, velomann wrote:
>>
>> Saw this at Velocult today. Local custom Ascari with Lots of brass and
>> twine. And yes, those are wood rims. Just about everything brown you see,
>> including all the many pairs of fender struts and the brake and shifter
>> cables, are twine wrapped and shellacked. Not my cup of tea- looks to me
>> like the bastard child of lowrider culture and Rivendell- but obviously a
>> labor of love.
>> http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/8199310@N04/sets/72157641440262664/
>> Mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Can you have too much twine?

[Ron Mc]

yes, and you can also have too many dharumas.  

On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:41:25 AM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> steampunk lowrider?
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:01 PM, hsmitham 
> > wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Yes that's definitely a labor of love. I love it! But I can appreciate 
>> creative beauty from afar. So as much as I love it I personally would go in 
>> a different direction. Regarding can you twine too much? Nah twine away! 
>> But you made me laugh it does have that Low rider/Riv fusion thing going 
>> on. 
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:57:18 PM UTC-8, velomann wrote:
>>>
>>> Saw this at Velocult today. Local custom Ascari with Lots of brass and 
>>> twine. And yes, those are wood rims. Just about everything brown you see, 
>>> including all the many pairs of fender struts and the brake and shifter 
>>> cables, are twine wrapped and shellacked. Not my cup of tea- looks to me 
>>> like the bastard child of lowrider culture and Rivendell- but obviously a 
>>> labor of love.
>>> http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/8199310@N04/sets/72157641440262664/
>>> Mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Change my chain or ride it til it skips?

[Steve Palincsar]

YMMV. I have been using the same custom 13 t 1st position cogs for over ten yrs 
and tens of thousands of miles.   It's the 2nd thru 5th that wear for me

Michael Hechmer  wrote:

>I go a step further. I don't necessarily even replace cassettes when
>they 
>start to skip!  Skipping almost always begins with the smallest cog, so
>I 
>replace it.  Now when I buy a new cassette, I buy the best I can find
>and 
>an additional small cog at the same time.  My experience has been that
>the 
>higher end cassettes and chains shift better and last longer than the 
>budget versions.
>
>Michael
>
>
>On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:49:44 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Michael:
>>
>> My opinion (you'll get others on this) is to swap out the chain early
>& 
>> often.  It's the (relatively) cheapest & easiest to change part in
>the 
>> drive train.  They are always available.  Since I started changing
>chains 
>> more frequently, cassettes last many times longer.  
>>
>> Chain life is highly dependent on environment & lubrication / care. 
>I 
>> live in a benign chain environment (dry, little dust) and run chains
>around 
>> 3,000 miles and toss 'em because I can find 8 speed for $20.  If
>you're in 
>> a wet climate with lots of road salt/ grit and generally hostile 
>> conditions, I've heard of people only going 1,000 miles on a chain.  
>>
>> The conventional wisdom of changing chains & cassettes at the same
>time is 
>> conservative.  It's recommended by bike shops because you brought
>them the 
>> bike with "shifting problems" and they want you to leave with
>"problem 
>> solved" and not be back next week with "it still doesn't shift like
>it used 
>> to".  My cynical side says this also sells a lot more parts.  
>>
>> As to the chainrings, you are correct.  Since most of us tend to use
>one 
>> ring for most of our riding, they don't wear out all at once.  Just
>replace 
>> the worn one(s) when they look crappy.  When they get shark finned
>they 
>> also tend to be noisy.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:07:15 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>>>
>>> I know there are two schools of thought on this. Was wondering what
>Riv 
>>> peeps like with these bikes.
>>>
>>> I have Sugino cranks and some stock RBW cassette. All stock on the
>Sam.
>>>
>>> 1. Should I swap it early, or ride it till the cassette is trashed
>and 
>>> then get a new 'sette along with a chain?
>>>
>>> 2. Also, I am under the impression that chainrings don't have to be 
>>> swapped at all until they get shark toothed. Is this right, *just 
>>> cassette and chain swaps until then*?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info.
>>>
>>> Sorry if I asked this here before. I searched, but no find. Gettin'
>some 
>>> miles on the Sam and was wondering.
>>>
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Soma Oxford vs. Nitto Albatross

[Matthew J]

with the Oxfords having a better finish 

Shinier maybe.  Nitto have a luster made by hand.  Oxfords are all machine.

On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:00:15 AM UTC-6, doc wrote:
>
> I've got both a pair of Albatross as well as a pair of Oxfords.  I found 
> the shapes to be identical, with the Oxfords having a better finish.  While 
> I haven't measured them, it seems the Oxfords are also a slightly smaller 
> diameter between the ends and the center.  I found them discounted on line 
> for $38.
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:14:47 AM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>>
>> When my bike shop substituted the Soma Oxford handlebars for the Nitto 
>> Albatrosses I'd originally requested, I was told that the handlebars were 
>> "just like" Nitto, except for the finish. However, I'm learning that the 
>> Albatross bars are a bit wider, and they're also a bit longer than the 
>> Somas. 
>>
>> I'm wondering if anyone has a photograph or some other graphic that 
>> compares the size of the two handlebars so that I would be able to see the 
>> difference? I'm still trying to tune in the right fit on the Betty Foy, and 
>> even though I've gone in for a fitting, I can't help wondering if the 
>> longer, wider Albatross handlebars would make an appreciable difference in 
>> how the bike feels, especially on those days when the arthritis is flaring 
>> up and my wrists hurt a lot. 
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Quickbeam,Simpleone 58cm Kinda Quickbeam, Waterford/Gunnar and Phil Wood wheelset.

[hobie]

Thought I'd post this frameset here as it is somewhat related to a 
Rivendell. After all Waterford does build for Rivendell. I wanted a 
Quickbeam and could never find one in my size. Riv had stopped having them 
made by Panasonic. I decided to have Waterford/Gunnar build me a 
Singlespeed frameset. I was fortunate that Richard Schwinn took my order of 
this custom frameset.  It is a modified Crosshairs 58cm w. horizontal 
dropouts spaced 130mm. The color is battleship gray. I wanted to get as 
close to the Hunquapillar in color as possible. It is not a lugged frame 
although the custom Waterford 22-Series fork is. The fork is a 1" threaded 
w. at the time brand new Dura ace headset. The frame also has the maximum 
head tube extension allowed w.27mm worth of spacers. Get those handlebars 
up high! It has 2 water bottle bosses, 2 front eyelets at dropouts w. 
lawyer lips.  rear eyelets at dropout, rack attachments on seat stays. The 
fork also has the attachments for a Riv Marks Rack placed at the correct 
distance. This was recommended by Richard Schwinn. The frame can handle up 
to 40mm tires with fenders. I have done a  few 100 milers on this bike. It 
is quick, and comfortable! The tubing is not the standard Crosshairs, 
but "OS" again recommended by Richard Schwinn. He said it smooths out the 
ride. Boy was he correct. The top tube is 28.6 (1 1/8"), the down tube is 
31.8 (1 1/4"), and the seat tube is 28.6 (1 1/8"). Takes a 27.2 seatpost. 
The top tube slopes upward slightly.  The frameset is just over a year old 
although I have not ridden it in about 4-5 months. I have frame saved it 4 
times. Comes w. a pair of Tektro 559 extra long reach sidepull brakes,New 
SKS Commuter II fenders, black never used. I had intentions of turning this 
into a 2-speed w. the wonderful Schlumph crankset from Cycle monkey. There 
are a few options that could be done with this frame. The Schlumph is one. 
2 would be an internal geared hub, although it is 130 spacing it could be 
cold set to 132.5. The other option is a 650B conversion. Can't see why it 
wouldn't work with Grand Bois Hetres 650b. Maybe the finest tires I've ever 
ridden. The paint is in excellent condition with some chainsuck marks. I 
covered that w. clear nail polish to prevent any rust. This is a wonderful 
frameset that rides superbly. My riding for the most part has shifted to 
MTN. biking. So this frameset needs a lovin home. The frame cost $1,250, 
the Waterford lugged fork cost $375. I'm asking $800. plus actual shipping 
for the frameset w. headset, new SKS fenders, Tektro 559 brakes. Below you 
can find the excellent rolling Phil Wood wheelset w. White Industries 
freewheel that I used for this frame. Email me off list for photos and 
offers or text me 917 968 5664

Phil Wood Wheelset, handbuilt by Phil Wood. Yes that is correct Phil Wood 
laced these. The front hub is a Silver high flange Phil  laced to a 
Silver Mavic Open Pro 32 hole, Phil Wood straight gauge spokes. All silver 
in color. The rear is a 130 spaced Phil freewheel hub laced to same spoke 
hole configuration all silver also. Comes with Rox rim tape. Both hubs are 
bolt on, not skewers. Also included is a White Industries Eno freewheel 
18T. Excellent rolling, strong made wheel set. Tracks very straight and 
true!! Asking $340. plus actual shipping. Email me off list for photos and 
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[RBW] Re: Change my chain or ride it til it skips?

[Ryan]

As others have saidchains are the least expensive component of the 
drive train to replace...so replace early and often. Park sell those neat 
chain measurement tools. Downside of running worn chains (and then finally 
replacing them) is that skipping becomes evident when you do finally get 
around to replacing your chain
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:07:15 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote: 
>
>  I know there are two schools of thought on this. Was wondering what Riv 
> peeps like with these bikes.
>
> I have Sugino cranks and some stock RBW cassette. All stock on the Sam.
>
>  1. Should I swap it early, or ride it till the cassette is trashed and 
> then get a new 'sette along with a chain?
>
> 2. Also, I am under the impression that chainrings don't have to be 
> swapped at all until they get shark toothed. Is this right, *just 
> cassette and chain swaps until then*?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
> Sorry if I asked this here before. I searched, but no find. Gettin' some 
> miles on the Sam and was wondering.
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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Chris:  That's an American-built True Temper triple-butted chromoly 
frame... Nothing at all mediocre about that.. .And you got yourself an 
amazing deal for $150 !!!  I'm sure you agree those ride amazingly well.   
But yeah, the 1 1/8 threaded was kinda odd... I had a Giant ATX 770 with 
same setup... I was replacing the headset when I realized the 1" set was 
too small!!!

BB

On Saturday, February 22, 2014 11:30:59 PM UTC-5, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> One, a 1996 Trek 930 that I bought new in the box in 2008 for $149. It is 
> a wonderful, mediocre, rigid fork, musa steel bike. Woulda bought ten of 
> them had they been available. Only weird thing is the 1 1/8 threaded 
> headset. 
>
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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Jim Bronson]

I only got about 1000 miles before the amount of flats I was getting became
intolerable.  Nevertheless I love these Pari-Motos and I recently bought
more of them.  Perhaps I would also love the Loup Loup Pass but get longer
tread life.  The thinner sidewalls are a concern though.  I have had some
sidewall problems on various Panaracer manufactured tires.  I am quite
heavy though, I'm sure that doesn't help tire longevity.

At any rate, the next time I wear out a Pari Moto, I'll take my calipers to
them and see how much tread thickness is left.  Should be interesting.

-Jim
On Feb 23, 2014 8:46 AM, "Steve Palincsar"  wrote:

> Mine wore out at 1600 mi
>
> Bruce Herbitter  wrote:
>>
>> Jan:
>>
>> My Pari-Motos have 2,521 miles on them. They're showing some age and I
>> expect 3,000 might be as much as I expect to get from them. While the
>> Loup Loup may be longer lasting, I doubt it would even double my
>> mileage, not to say "many times."   Pari-Motos have a similar lifespan
>> for me as your Cypres folding bead tires. Both fall far short of the
>> wear from say, Continental Ultra Gatorskins, but both offer much nicer
>> ride quality.
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On 2/23/2014 8:06 AM, Jan Heine wrote:
>>
>>> . Compared to the Pari-Moto, the Compass Loup Loup Pass has more tread
>>> in the middle, so it will last many times longer.
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Matthew J]

> I thought I had enough bikes, but now I'm tempted to build a new bike 
around a pair of these tires! 

Have a slightly different dilemma.  700x38s will fit, but my bike already 
has 700x32 ELs bought just last year.  Even have a spare pair.  The ELs are 
holding up so well for me that if I wait for them to wear down it could be 
years!  

On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:08:33 AM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
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> I thought I had enough bikes, but now I'm tempted to build a new bike 
> around a pair of these tires!

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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Patrick Moore]

Stan's will help you. I just had the bike shop do the ghetto tubeless thing
on the supremely fragile (360 actual grams, 700C X 55mm actual on my 44mm
rims) Furious Freds (ghetto required because of the wide rims) and a test
ride through a thicket, literally, of goatheads caused no permanent leaks
while control wheel with Stan's filled tube flatted. My Parigi Roubaix are
useable only with Stan's (in tubes) - no flats in 500 miles.

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> I only got about 1000 miles before the amount of flats I was getting
> became intolerable.
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[RBW] Re: Soma Oxford vs. Nitto Albatross

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks for this, Scot! The Albatrosses look to be a bit wider, but not so 
much that they'd make a huge difference. 

On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:29:13 AM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote:
>
> Hi Cecily,
> Here's what 
> flickrhad 
> to offer for the comparison. They really are remarkably similar, even 
> near-as-makes-no-difference. We carry both in the shop where I work and I 
> really can't tell if there's a difference when I hold the two up to each 
> other. I've got the Somas on my bike and they're great, but nothing like 
> the Nitto in terms of finish. Not even close.
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[RBW] Re: Soma Oxford vs. Nitto Albatross

[Evan Baird]

It's worth noting the Nitto comes in a steel version, which the Soma 
doesn't. Probably won't matter for road riding, but for gravel/single track 
it makes a big difference.

On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:42:24 AM UTC-8, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> Thanks for this, Scot! The Albatrosses look to be a bit wider, but not so 
> much that they'd make a huge difference. 
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:29:13 AM UTC-8, Scot Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Hi Cecily,
>> Here's what 
>> flickrhad 
>> to offer for the comparison. They really are remarkably similar, even 
>> near-as-makes-no-difference. We carry both in the shop where I work and I 
>> really can't tell if there's a difference when I hold the two up to each 
>> other. I've got the Somas on my bike and they're great, but nothing like 
>> the Nitto in terms of finish. Not even close.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Saw the coolest thing on trail today.

[Jeremy Till]

I was right behind Brian and Manny when this all went down, and I can 
indeed verify it was the most spectacular yard sale and recovery that I 
have ever been lucky enough to witness.  If I could go back in time, I 
would buy a Go Pro camera and go back to strap it to my helmet just before 
that happened, just to have video of it.  

As always, a great day out riding with everyone.  I was on my new, very 
un-riv-ish, mountain 
bike: 
an aluminum(!) 29er hardtail with suspension fork(!) and hydraulic 
brakes(!).  However, being a relative novice to technical off-road riding, 
I was thankful for every last ounce of tire volume, fork travel, and 
hydraulic fluid I had, and totally humbled by the skills of my companions 
on their steel all-rounders. Mastering singletrack switchbacks is now a 
riding goal for me.  



On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35:59 PM UTC-8, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Good amount of East Bay dirt. 
> Five of us. Kurt, Brian, Jeremy, Evan and Jon.
>
> Two of the five were on single speeds.
> 4 out of the five haven't ridden the single track of Joaquin Miller Park, 
> Oakland's only "downhill" course.
> Which always equals fun.
>
> Lots of crashes today. Me included.
>
> Notable crashes.
>
> As we start of the single track down from JMP we're followed by another 
> group of dirt riders. 
> 10 bikers barreling down a single track, I take a short cut and was able 
> to cut in front of them only to miss the last lip and doing my best ninja 
> roll over my camera. Nothing hurt just a twisted handlebar. Camera was fine.
>
> Mr.Brian Oei, one of the four/five? members of the Boyz on the Hoods 
> Made my life complete by allowing me to watch him crash but recover in the 
> coolest way possible.
> Going down Sunset Trail in JMP with Brian, Kurt and Jeremy behind me.
> Taking the first switchback Brian's back wheel slides out.
> I look back and he's on his back still clipped in. 
> He was in toe clips and he couldn't unclip. Like a boss he did a 180 
> backspin on his back on the cambered switchback. 
> He rolls his bike over himself gets back on the trail and rides ahead of 
> me.
> Then proceeds to rip through. 
>
> My life feels complete now that I've seen that. No pictures of this but 2 
> other people can be a witness.
>
> Picture proved that the rest of the ride was great:
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjTcUtiG
>
> Manny "Uses his breakdance moves on the trail" Acosta
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Saw the coolest thing on trail today.

[Liesl]

Somehow, I think this is why Grant cautioned me about following Manny on a 
Manny-planned route for an S24O.  Me hopping a stump...you gotta laugh or 
it wouldn't be funny!

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[RBW] Re: [650B] Re: グランボアのあたらしいセンタープルブレーキ!

[Bruce Herbitter]

$184 USD.  Comparable to Paul's?
On 2/24/2014 10:30 AM, Matthew J wrote:

Very nice.  Hope they make their to Compass soon.

On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:52:49 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:

They're Here!

http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/gb_ch.html


Anybody got ¥19,000 I can borrow? ;-)


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[RBW] Re: Soma Oxford vs. Nitto Albatross

[Liesl]

Cecily, I have some lyme-related problems with my joints and also a few 
ragged vertebra in my neck.  Don't rule out Boscos as they are dreamy for 
comfy hands/wrists/neck and offer lots of hand positions.  I switched three 
bikes (saluki, protobleriot set up as a single speed, and a Bike Friday) 
with old style mustaches to Boscos and haven't looked back.  I still have 
albas on one bike, and I like the Boscos more.  You'll need a long 
(10-12cm) stem.

good luck!

Liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: [650B] Re: グランボアのあたらしいセンタープルブレーキ!

[Bill Gibson]

It looks like they only fit custom braze-ons, but maybe parts from old
MAFACs could be bolted on. So the Paul brakes are more "complete". It's an
exciting Spring, though.


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Bruce Herbitter  wrote:

>  $184 USD.  Comparable to Paul's?
>
> On 2/24/2014 10:30 AM, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Very nice.  Hope they make their to Compass soon.
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:52:49 AM UTC-6, Ryan wrote:
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>> They're Here!
>>
>> http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/gb_ch.html
>>
>> Anybody got ¥19,000 I can borrow? ;-)
>>
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[RBW] Re: Soma Oxford vs. Nitto Albatross

[Liesl]

FS, Tires, Bars, and Bag oh my

Cecily, if you're interested, this thread has a Bosco/stem set-up

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Re: [RBW] Re: Change my chain or ride it til it skips?

[dougP]

Sheldon shows a method for getting the correct chain length.  I was only 
taking out a few links so one time I just installed the full chain.  
Couldn't detect any difference in shifting quality or performance.  This is 
on a wide range drive train, 13-34 cassette, 24-34-46 crankset.  Being 
lazy, that's what I've done now for several years.  Oh, and just lightly 
wipe off any extra goo on the new chain but don't bother trying to lube 
it.  Whatever that factory stuff is works wonderfully and lasts a long 
time.  

dougP

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:39:49 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Yes. It's that simple.
>
> -Hugh
> On Feb 23, 2014 10:35 PM, "Michael" > 
> wrote:
>
>> So is it as easy to do myself as just buying a new 9-speed chain,
>> matching the link count and then snapping together the master link?
>>
>> Any tips?
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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Bill Lindsay]

I feel exactly the same way.  A lot of people have built a bike around 
Hetre tires.  Some have built a bike around Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads.  I 
was planning a build around Soma C-Line 700x38, and now there is a Compass 
700x38 that claims to be even faster.  It's great!  I've heard putting the 
cart before the horse.  This is more like putting the shoe before the 
horse, but dang, there are so many nice shoes!

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:08:33 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:
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> I thought I had enough bikes, but now I'm tempted to build a new bike 
> around a pair of these tires!

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RE: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

My order for the 700C 38mm is already in – I’m going to try them on my Hilsen.  
Report to follow.

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I feel exactly the same way.  A lot of people have built a bike around Hetre 
tires.  Some have built a bike around Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads.  I was 
planning a build around Soma C-Line 700x38, and now there is a Compass 700x38 
that claims to be even faster.  It's great!  I've heard putting the cart before 
the horse.  This is more like putting the shoe before the horse, but dang, 
there are so many nice shoes!

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:08:33 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
I thought I had enough bikes, but now I'm tempted to build a new bike around a 
pair of these tires!
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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Bill Lindsay]

Somebody should do a youtube of themself walking into their local bike shop 
with a pair of Compass 700x38 tires.  Walk up to the dude behind the 
counter and ask:  Do you have a bike to fit these tires?  See how they 
handle it.  They always ask very early in the conversation "What kind of 
riding are you going to do?" and that's a very useful way to narrow the 
search.  If you have the tires picked out, you can hold them up and say 
"THIS is the kind of riding I will be doing".  


On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:03:35 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
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>  My order for the 700C 38mm is already in – I’m going to try them on my 
> Hilsen.  Report to follow.
>
>  
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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Chris Chen]

The design tire for my new bike is a 50x584 big ben, with enough to go to
55.

MI ENCANTA


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Somebody should do a youtube of themself walking into their local bike
> shop with a pair of Compass 700x38 tires.  Walk up to the dude behind the
> counter and ask:  Do you have a bike to fit these tires?  See how they
> handle it.  They always ask very early in the conversation "What kind of
> riding are you going to do?" and that's a very useful way to narrow the
> search.  If you have the tires picked out, you can hold them up and say
> "THIS is the kind of riding I will be doing".
>
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:03:35 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>
>>  My order for the 700C 38mm is already in - I'm going to try them on my
>> Hilsen.  Report to follow.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Minh]

>
> I'm glad Tom is going to try these, i'm interested in the 700x38, but my 
> fender clearance is a little tight with the 700x37 on there now, would like 
> to get some real world feedback on measured width once mounted.


The price per tire for the non-el versions is not too terrible when 
comparing to other brands either 

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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Christopher Murray]

I love the 930- don't get me wrong. It was a middle-of-the-road quality bike in 
1996. If I could have bought more than one in 2008 I would have. I put on 
alba'a, fenders, and racks and couldn't be happier. 

Cheers!
Chris

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RE: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Minh – No fenders on my Hilsen, but I can measure actual width on the rims (I 
think they’re Synergies).  T

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I'm glad Tom is going to try these, i'm interested in the 700x38, but my fender 
clearance is a little tight with the 700x37 on there now, would like to get 
some real world feedback on measured width once mounted.

The price per tire for the non-el versions is not too terrible when comparing 
to other brands either
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[RBW] Re: Soma Oxford vs. Nitto Albatross

[Cecily Walker]

Hey Liesl,

Keven at Riv actually suggested the Boscos back when I thought I was going 
to buy the build kit from Riv, but for whatever reason (stupidity on my 
part, maybe?) they didn't make it onto my list of considerations when I had 
the bike built locally. They sort of remind me of the handlebars I had on 
my Dutch bike. Now that I think of it, that isn't necessarily a bad thing. 
 I've just gotten so used to riding in a somewhat forward position (instead 
of bolt upright) that I worry the Boscos might make me too upright, if that 
makes any sense. 

Thanks for the reminder and the link to the other thread. I've got some 
thinkin' to do.

On Monday, February 24, 2014 10:16:34 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>
> Cecily, I have some lyme-related problems with my joints and also a few 
> ragged vertebra in my neck.  Don't rule out Boscos as they are dreamy for 
> comfy hands/wrists/neck and offer lots of hand positions.  I switched three 
> bikes (saluki, protobleriot set up as a single speed, and a Bike Friday) 
> with old style mustaches to Boscos and haven't looked back.  I still have 
> albas on one bike, and I like the Boscos more.  You'll need a long 
> (10-12cm) stem.
>
> good luck!
>
> Liesl
>

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[RBW] Re: Saw the coolest thing on trail today.

[Michael]

>
> Say it ain't so, but looks like Manny took the reigns off and put the 
> New-bau-baums on! Maybe the reigns are under the cotton for cush?
>

bababababababababababababababababa Ba-ba New-bau-baums ba-ba New Bau-Baums 
- uh- Ba-ba New-bau-baums ba-ba New Bau-Baums...

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Re: [RBW] A Rivendell 29+ Camping bike.

[hobie]

Just spoke to Jeff about THE LONE RANGER. He wouldn't tell me if it's 
happening. I think it will. I own one of his Diamond frames w. unicrown 
fork. Possibly the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden. It's also a 
super fast road bike, great do it all frameset. Use it with a Knard up 
front for mtn. biking. Crawls over a lot of stuff. I really like BIG 
TIRES The Schwalbe Super Motos are stellar! Super bike! The Motos just 
power down the road.  Regarding the ECR's low BB, you could go to a shorter 
crank set, say 165mm XT.

On Sunday, February 16, 2014 5:05:04 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> I understand the drool factor. I don't drool for Rivs like I used to, but 
> I get it. I also understand that Surly doesn't go to great lengths to add 
> visual pizzazz to their frames. Their beauty is in brilliant ideas and 
> engineering...things they don't even market, like the Disc Trucker rear 
> dropout, which is the smartest vertical dropout ever.
>
> Anyway, here's a 29+ that might be more drool-inducing from the Rivish 
> standpoint.
> http://www.jonesbikes.com/?option=com_wordpress&lang=en&p=2828&Itemid=58
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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Jan Heine]

You could run the "standard" Loup Loup Pass, which has a similar casing to 
the Pari-Motos. You still get the extra tread thickness and longer life, in 
exchange for a few grams extra weight when new. Once you have ridden them 
for a thousand miles or so, they'll be almost indistinguishable from the 
Pari-Motos...

Jan Heine
Compass Bicycles Ltd.
www.compasscycle.com

Follow our blog at www.janheine.wordpress.com

On Monday, February 24, 2014 7:58:01 AM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
>  Perhaps I would also love the Loup Loup Pass but get longer tread life.  
> The thinner sidewalls are a concern though.
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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[Chris Lampe 2]

I am also wanting to build my dream bike around a specific tire but I doubt 
Jan will be producing a 559 x 55 Compass version anytime soon.  :)   

On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:58:41 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I feel exactly the same way.  A lot of people have built a bike around 
> Hetre tires.  Some have built a bike around Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads.  I 
> was planning a build around Soma C-Line 700x38, and now there is a Compass 
> 700x38 that claims to be even faster.  It's great!  I've heard putting the 
> cart before the horse.  This is more like putting the shoe before the 
> horse, but dang, there are so many nice shoes!
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:08:33 PM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> I thought I had enough bikes, but now I'm tempted to build a new bike 
>> around a pair of these tires!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?

[RJM]

>
> I just purchased a pair of the 700c x 32 mm Stampede Pass, standard model 
> with tan sidewalls, to use on the Roadeo. I look forward to using them. 
>

So far I have been using 25mm GP4000s tires on that bike on a set of wheels 
that I had, which has worked fairly well for the riding I have been doing 
on it. These tires are going to make the bike that much more comfortable 
and still be quick, which is what I want from the Roadeo. Fingers crossed.

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[RBW] Re: How many mountain bikes do you own?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Cool... Mine should be similar...1989 970 frameset... Building up a set of 
wheels (old cassette and front dyno hub), and adding a pair of Bosco 
Bullmoose bars...  


On Monday, February 24, 2014 4:33:00 PM UTC-5, Christopher Murray wrote:

> I love the 930- don't get me wrong. It was a middle-of-the-road quality 
> bike in 1996. If I could have bought more than one in 2008 I would have. I 
> put on alba'a, fenders, and racks and couldn't be happier. 
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Technomic 26.0, 100 mm, new in package

[eflayer]

sold
On Friday, January 24, 2014 6:47:12 AM UTC-8, eflayer wrote:
>
> This an extra from my Albatross fitting process. $45 shipped. I prefer 
> paypal gift option, or you can add in paypal fees if you think "gift" is 
> cheating the man.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Change my chain or ride it til it skips?

[cyclotourist]

Buy a gauge, and when it hits the .75 mark change it. Very simple. Buy a
Sram, or other chain that has a removable link for future cleaning and
replacement.

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:28 AM, dougP  wrote:

> Sheldon shows a method for getting the correct chain length.  I was only
> taking out a few links so one time I just installed the full chain.
> Couldn't detect any difference in shifting quality or performance.  This is
> on a wide range drive train, 13-34 cassette, 24-34-46 crankset.  Being
> lazy, that's what I've done now for several years.  Oh, and just lightly
> wipe off any extra goo on the new chain but don't bother trying to lube
> it.  Whatever that factory stuff is works wonderfully and lasts a long
> time.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:39:49 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Yes. It's that simple.
>>
>> -Hugh
>> On Feb 23, 2014 10:35 PM, "Michael"  wrote:
>>
>>> So is it as easy to do myself as just buying a new 9-speed chain,
>>> matching the link count and then snapping together the master link?
>>>
>>> Any tips?
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Re: [RBW] FS: SON28/LX/Dyad wheelset, B&M lights, Nitto Big Front Rack

[Scot Brooks]

Wheels sold pending payment! Thanks for all the interest everyone :)

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[RBW] Wanted: Hoss saddlebag

[rcnute]

Hi, all: I'm looking for a ginormous saddlebag, anyone have a Hoss they're 
not using?  Thanks!

Ryan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Change my chain or ride it til it skips?

[Michael]

That would be cool if RBW had a video of chain replacement!
They have nice wrenching videos.

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Re: [RBW] Wanted: Hoss saddlebag

[Patrick Shea]

I have one. It is used but very usable. Make offer?

Patrick

On Monday, February 24, 2014, rcnute  wrote:

> Hi, all: I'm looking for a ginormous saddlebag, anyone have a Hoss they're
> not using?  Thanks!
>
> Ryan
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[RBW] Sunday Single-Speeding

[Tony DeFilippo]

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2014/02/sunday-rolling.html

Lack of a Riv (for the moment) didn't keep me off the bike this weekend. 
 Erl and I meet up in Georgetown for a midday ride up the CCT towards 
Bethesda.  I was curious to see his Surly LHT commuter, particularly its 
fine luggage... Large Saddle Sack and a front bag that sits smartly on 
Nitto Platrack.  I'm sadly remiss in getting photo's of Erl or his LHT, the 
conversation was too good to stop for pictures!  The large saddle sack was 
even more impressive in person, that may be my luggage of choice come 
GAP/CO time.

I'll add another Bethesda recommendation for a culinary treat - Taylors 
Gourmet Deli, excellent philly style sandwiches.  Eat half there and save 
the rest for a spot with a view on the way home.  My second half was 
consumed near the C&O trailhead what looks like an old bridge abutment just 
short of the Key Bridge.  Lot's of people out enjoying the spring like 
conditions on Sunday!  

The XO-3 continues to perform splendidly as a singlespeed, I think I've 
found my Quickbeam-balm  :)  Speaking of beausage...  the XO-3 has it in 
spades, in fact the finish has been downright abused over the years.  I 
love the color, and I love the scratched up decals but I'm wondering how to 
keep it from rusting under all the extra use it's now getting. Especially 
given its likely role as the wet/bad weather standby.  Do I have to 
painstakingly nail polish all the nicks or could I just get the whole thing 
clear powdercoated over the existing paint?!? Or do I just let it continue 
to age naturally and keep a wire brush handy for the rust?  

Tony



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[RBW] Re: Sunday Single-Speeding

[Michael]

>
> Nice shots!
>
Thanks for sharing, Tony.
Very cool how beausaged frames looks so good.

Suggestions for you question:
1.On the next group ride, we could all bring our own clear nail polish and 
have at it at one time. Get it done fast that way! Everyone could pick a 
steel tube and we'd be done in no time!
2. What would Boeshield look like sprayed over the bare metal? (If you do 
spray Boeshield, remove wheels first and cover up brakes/pads and anything 
else you don't want overspray on).
3. Repaint the whole frame, as you pondered. RBW might be able to tell you 
where labels were to be found.

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[RBW] 9 to 8 speed worth it for better friction shifting?

[Michael]

While I need to replace my chain now, I was wondering if swapping out my 9 
speed chain and cassette to an 8 speed chain/cassette would be a good idea 
for better friction-ing while I am at it.

I hear the cogs are wider apart which makes for truer shift and less 
auto-shifting.

My 9 speed cassette and Silver shifter does well, but I do get some 
auto-shifts, probably because I don't always land the chain squarely on the 
next cog and I am wondering if going to an 8 speed would help a bit.

Anything I need to know about this, or just swap the parts and adjust the 
derailer limit screws if needed in case the cassette width differs from the 
existing 9 speed? I am guessing the Silver shifter would be fine for 8 
speed. I plan to keep the same toothcount for the biggest cog.

Any info is appreciated.

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Re: [RBW] 9 to 8 speed worth it for better friction shifting?

[Chris Chen]

Before you do that swap the Centeron pulley closest to the cassette with
the non floating one and see if that helps your accuracy.
On Feb 24, 2014 10:30 PM, "Michael"  wrote:

> While I need to replace my chain now, I was wondering if swapping out my 9
> speed chain and cassette to an 8 speed chain/cassette would be a good idea
> for better friction-ing while I am at it.
>
> I hear the cogs are wider apart which makes for truer shift and less
> auto-shifting.
>
> My 9 speed cassette and Silver shifter does well, but I do get some
> auto-shifts, probably because I don't always land the chain squarely on the
> next cog and I am wondering if going to an 8 speed would help a bit.
>
> Anything I need to know about this, or just swap the parts and adjust the
> derailer limit screws if needed in case the cassette width differs from the
> existing 9 speed? I am guessing the Silver shifter would be fine for 8
> speed. I plan to keep the same toothcount for the biggest cog.
>
> Any info is appreciated.
>
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