Re: [RBW] Re: Best/Worst

[Tim Gavin]

I love the German mirror!  I've never had problems with it.  Well, besides
it being constantly knocked around when I'm walking, parking, or carrying
the bike.  But, it's easy to re-adjust when I'm riding, because the mirror
will stay in the position it was last put (or whacked).

I mount mine about 6-8 inches in from the left end of the moustache bars on
my Riv Road (hard to see in the lower pic, sorry), and in a similar place
on my Schwinn KOM-10, but horizontal under the grip:


That placement sometimes catches my knee in the field of view, but at least
my arm is out of the way.  The sweep of the Wald cruiser bars precludes a
vertical position on the bars.

I also love the fender light!  I'd like it to flash (I understand why it
doesn't, but still), and I love that I don't have to think too hard about
it.  I may try to get the cute metal bash guard for it.  I also may try out
the Pixeo Xba; it's the same light but with a light and motion sensor, so
it comes on automatically.


Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:59 PM, shawn m.  wrote:

> The German Mirror... Man, I really want to like that thing. I can't get it
> positioned so that I can see behind me without leaning my body out of the
> way. The bolt that fixes the mirror position rattled out and was lost after
> a week of riding. The damn thing knocks into everything. I do like seeing
> behind me, though, even if I have to lean out of the way. Where DO you
> mount the blasted thing, anyway?
>
> Albas, totally love em. I have Boscos now, and they're fine. I like that I
> can run my stem lower than with albas, but I miss the hooks when I'm
> climbing. And aesthetically, the boscos just don't look as nice on my
> Hunqapillar.
>
> That mirror, though. I shake my fist at it daily...
>
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:48:53 AM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> I love the grouping of the 
>> best/worstfor the January Sale.
>> My thoughts on best:
>> Good lip stuff, Obenauf's, hemp twine, pine tar soap, John's Irish strap,
>> can never get enough!
>> Albas - love em.
>> Mark's rack - I eventually will get one of these.
>>
>> On worst:
>> Ones I like:
>> MUSA Half Mitts (new edition with thumbs). I am sure these do not sell
>> well, but I think they are a great addition to a bike bag for when it gets
>> a bit chillier than you thought it would.
>> German Mirror. I love mine, but it is so dorky (like my poncho), I bet it
>> doesn't sell a ton.
>>
>> Ones I don't like:
>> Half Mitts thumbs. Half Mitts without thumbs were a bad idea, to sell
>> individual thumbs even worse.
>> Windshield. You could make the same argument as for the Half Mitts
>> (dorky, but practical), but I won't!
>> Grunden's rain hat - I like the poncho, the hat is a little much for
>> biking.
>>
>> Mystery - Anorak - low selling because they are new? High selling because
>> they are good looking, cheap, practical and fold down small?
>>
>> What do you all think?
>>
>> Edwin
>>
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[RBW] Re: Best/Worst

[Edwin W]

German Mirror:
I have Albas and mount it just forward of the brake levers. At first I was 
really annoyed that it kept moving, knocking into things, etc, but now I 
actually like that it can move, so I can rotate it in when I put it in a 
car (or when I am wearing my poncho over my handlebars during a rainy 
commute). I also sometimes wish it were wider, or out to the side further, 
but what can you do! I just fiddle with it, finding that with the right 
tilt I get a slightly better angle behind me. 

I just ordered another German Mirror with some Boscos for my fairly new to 
me family ride - Yuba Mundo. The handlebars on there now are fine, but I 
have really wanted to try some Boscos. I'll report back to see how the 
mirror works on those bars.

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Riv e-bike conversion?

[Steven Frederick]

I agree, with the further caveat that they don't use it to go too fast on
MUPS and other non-motorized trails/routes.


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 10:38 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> IMHO, not anathema at all! I know there's that divide in the bicycling
> world between assists and not, but I think it's bogus. If it gets someone
> on a bike, or out of a car, then it's 100% OK by me.
> So there you have it, The Cyclotourist says it's OK!
> Feel free to quote me on that.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:25 PM, David Mayne  wrote:
>
>> I have a Bionx powered Bleriot. Severe osteo arthritis in the knee led to
>> it, the only way I can ride much now in hilly Seattle. I got over any
>> notion of shame.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 10, 2014, Ray Shine wrote:
>>
>>> I have very seriously considered it -- several times. I am an old guy
>>> (65+) but in relatively good health. I don't need an ebike, but there are
>>> plenty of times where I would welcome the ability to use power assist on my
>>> pedaling.  If I only cycled for health reasons, then I would see no point
>>> in a conversion. But I cycle mainly for transportation purposes, and
>>> because there is very little free/cheap parking in San Francisco.  I carry
>>> cargo on my bike, and I have several hills in between my home and my
>>> office. I can and do make the commute each day without an ebike, but I
>>> would have no qualms at all using an ebike on the commute.  Price has been
>>> a factor, as well. But, the technology is evolving very rapidly, and there
>>> are very reasonable ebikes on the market. I would be more inclined to go
>>> for a factory build now rather than a conversion. I see often some very
>>> impressive factory ebikes on the streets of SF.
>>>
>>>   --
>>>  *From:* Cecily Walker 
>>> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 2:01 PM
>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Riv e-bike conversion?
>>>
>>> I know the very idea is anathema, but has anyone had any experience with
>>> converting a Rivendell bike of any model to an e-bike?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Cecily
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Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG

[Tim Gavin]

Yes!  That's a cool shelter.  Do you lay a piece of plastic down underneath
your sleeping bag/mat?  I like that you can park your bike inside!  I'm not
sold on a screen-less tent; Iowa has fierce mosquitos in summer.

I have this tent (Big Agnes Emerald Mtn SL3), which is crazy light for a
3-person backpacking tent ~5.5 lbs.  There is an optional vestibule that is
advertised as big enough to be a bike garage.  I may pick one up...


As for retro camping gear, I love it so long as it's lightweight.  I used
heavy canvas/military surplus stuff as a kid in the Scouts, but I've
upgraded since.  (Modern military gear is pretty good, though; I use my
combat boots and gore-tex suit often)

I managed to get a pair of home-built, barely used Frost Line down sleeping
bags for cheap recently.  Frost Line was a company that offered mail-order
kits (patterns and materials) to make your own outdoor gear.
http://www.oregonphotos.com/Frostline1.html
Apparently, in the 1970s it was tough to find good mountaineering gear in
the states (probably why Rivendell Mountain Works made such an impression
on Grant). So, many folks made their own.
The pair of bags I found (plus an additional down insert bag, for those
polar nights) are probably built tougher than a modern North Face.  They're
lightweight (down!) and super warm.  Basically for 40 degrees or colder
only, 'cause they're ovens above that temp.

Kinda like great vintage lightweight bikes.  Retro, light, and just as
excellent now as when they were made.

Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Ray Shine  wrote:

> Hopefully everyone can see these now.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122
>
>   --
>  *From:* dougP 
> *To:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* Ray Shine 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:38 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
>
> Ray:
>
> Your link connects to a page that says it's private, so we can't view it.
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:46:16 AM UTC-8, Ray Shine wrote:
>
> We are not all doing it wrong. This was my set up for Oregon Coast ride
> (with BOB trailer, too!)
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122/
>
>
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> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups. com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:21 AM
> *Subject:* [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
>
> I can't compete.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/11961422373/
>
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[RBW] Re: Maryland overnighter

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 2:39:24 PM UTC-7, BIKIE46 wrote:
>
> Here in the Mid-Atlantic, you have to take your mini-vacations when you 
> can. These two Sam Hillbournes took a couple of dry days in the 50's, 
> sandwiched between lots of rain to do a bike camping trip along the Potomac 
> River in southern Maryland: 
>
>  *http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157639768669323/ 
> *
>
> Paul Germain 
> Midlothian, Va.
>  

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[RBW] single speed Sam

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I've got my Sam set up at the moment as kind of a cyborg single speed with a 
40/26/bashguard up front and a 16 tooth cog in back with whatever spacers and 
old cogs I had in my parts bucket. No front derailler at the moment.

All this is held together with a normal length chain running through a long 
cage deraillier.

I'd like to replace the rear derailleur with a chain tensioner if I can find 
one that will let me keep the granny gear up front for occasional use.

Does such a thing exist?

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Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG

[Ray Shine]

I agree about the bug screen. I didn't experience that on the trip shown -- too 
wet, except for the giant banana slugs that I had to pluck off the inside of 
the tent walls each morning. I'll take giant banana slugs over skeeters any 
day. I hate skeeters. I did not bring a floor as it would get torn up with the 
bike and trailer. I used a bivy on this trip (you can see it in these pix), 
which does have a face net. I just never needed it.





>
> From: Tim Gavin 
>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 6:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
> 
>
>
>Yes!  That's a cool shelter.  Do you lay a piece of plastic down underneath 
>your sleeping bag/mat?  I like that you can park your bike inside!  I'm not 
>sold on a screen-less tent; Iowa has fierce mosquitos in summer.
>
>
>I have this tent (Big Agnes Emerald Mtn SL3), which is crazy light for a 
>3-person backpacking tent ~5.5 lbs.  There is an optional vestibule that is 
>advertised as big enough to be a bike garage.  I may pick one up...
> 
>
>
>As for retro camping gear, I love it so long as it's lightweight.  I used 
>heavy canvas/military surplus stuff as a kid in the Scouts, but I've upgraded 
>since.  (Modern military gear is pretty good, though; I use my combat boots 
>and gore-tex suit often)
>
>
>I managed to get a pair of home-built, barely used Frost Line down sleeping 
>bags for cheap recently.  Frost Line was a company that offered mail-order 
>kits (patterns and materials) to make your own outdoor gear.  
>http://www.oregonphotos.com/Frostline1.html
>Apparently, in the 1970s it was tough to find good mountaineering gear in the 
>states (probably why Rivendell Mountain Works made such an impression on 
>Grant). So, many folks made their own.  
>The pair of bags I found (plus an additional down insert bag, for those polar 
>nights) are probably built tougher than a modern North Face.  They're 
>lightweight (down!) and super warm.  Basically for 40 degrees or colder only, 
>'cause they're ovens above that temp.  
>
>
>Kinda like great vintage lightweight bikes.  Retro, light, and just as 
>excellent now as when they were made.
>
>
>Tim Gavin
>Cedar Rapids, IA
>
>
>
>On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Ray Shine  wrote:
>
>Hopefully everyone can see these now. 
>>
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: dougP 
>>>To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
>>>Cc: Ray Shine  
>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:38 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>Ray:
>>>
>>>Your link connects to a page that says it's private, so we can't view it.  
>>>
>>>dougP
>>>
>>>On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:46:16 AM UTC-8, Ray Shine wrote:
>>>We are not all doing it wrong. This was my set up for Oregon Coast ride 
>>>(with BOB trailer, too!)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/8581354@N03/sets/72157602967676122/






>
> From: Christopher Chen 
>To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups. com 
>Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:21 AM
>Subject: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG
> 
>
>
>I can't compete.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/11961422373/
>
>
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[RBW] Re: single speed Sam

[frank_a]

 This one will do it.

http://www.paulcomp.com/melvin.html

 - Frank

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:11:06 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I've got my Sam set up at the moment as kind of a cyborg single speed with 
> a 40/26/bashguard up front and a 16 tooth cog in back with whatever spacers 
> and old cogs I had in my parts bucket. No front derailler at the moment.
>
> All this is held together with a normal length chain running through a 
> long cage deraillier.
>
> I'd like to replace the rear derailleur with a chain tensioner if I can 
> find one that will let me keep the granny gear up front for occasional use.
>
> Does such a thing exist?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sykesville, MD 30-miler on Sam today.

[Nancy Seibel]

Hi Michael - many thanks  for the route info. Looks great! You even 
indicated where the killer hill is, so I can mentally prepare for it. :) 
John (also in this Riv group) and I will want to try it out one day. He 
patiently accommodates my slowish pace. If that wouldn't bother you too 
much I'd be happy to see if we can arrange to do the ride with sometime 
soon. 


On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 1:38:09 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>
> Hi Nancy,
>>
> From Catonsville, you could take Frederick Road through Ellicott City, 
> then stay on Frederick and pick up my Route at:
>
> Right turn onto Centennial Lane (turns into Bethany Lane after you cross 
> over Rt. 40
> Left turn onto Rt. 99
> Right turn onto Sykesville Rd. (Rt. 32)
> Left onto West Friendship
> tunr into:
> 1s Ave/Main Street Sykesville.
> Just keep going straight and it turns into Spout Hill Rd. with the big 
> climb that ends at
> Right turn onto 3rd Ave
> Right turn onto Springfield (watch your speed as this downhill ends 
> abruptly at T intersection)
> Left onto Main, and back out to West Friendship and go back home the same 
> way.
>
> If you want to ride it and want company let me know and I will happily 
> join. It is a fun, but hilly ride.
> Shoulders on 99 and Sykesville Rd, are wide and nice. Bethany Lane doesn't 
> have much shoulders, but it is short and gets you to 99 quickly.
> If you want less miles, you could always park at Centennial Lake in 
> Ellicott City and ride Centennial lane up to Bethany Lane and go from there.
>
> Here it is but without the right turn onto 3rd Ave and Springfield.
>
> https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Catonsville,+MD&daddr=39.2777149,-76.8606282+to:39.3074167,-76.8691579+to:39.3170305,-76.9015447+to:Spout+Hill+Rd&hl=en&ll=39.307605,-76.864815&spn=0.083015,0.198269&sll=39.373173,-76.970751&sspn=0.005184,0.012392&geocode=FXM-VwId9Clt-ylNjA7JPRzIiTGNcyTcDrP1IQ%3BFZJUVwIdLDNr-ymVhGCEsiHIiTEtTIujZ6W3uw%3BFZjIVwId2xFr-ynnKf4qgyHIiTE7dAniwcv8Ww%3BFSbuVwIdWJNq-yllBMe0XiHIiTGrZpnoVOlK6w%3BFVjPWAIdXntp-w&t=h&gl=us&dirflg=b&mra=dme&mrsp=4&sz=17&via=1,2,3&z=13&lci=bike
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[RBW] Re: ISO 60cm canti saluki

[iamkeith]

Peter,

If you (or Tony D., hint hint) are not set on the cantilever brakes 
option, that 60cm Rambouillet on craigslist, in another recent thread, is a 
great option.   There have been a few discussions recently about how well 
they convert to 650b (even wide ones, like the Hetres), by using the 
long-reach tektro/silver calipers.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/4280300843.html

My motivation here is of course partly selfish, because this now makes 
three of us who have recently started threads  indicating an interest in 
finding a 60cm Saluki.  But that Rambouillet really is a nice  "roadier" 
bike, in about as good of condition as you'll ever find.  And the 650b 
option just makes it more versatile.  If I didn't already own the exact 
same bike, that's what I would buy!...

On Monday, January 13, 2014 2:52:49 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

> Got the tacit go ahead from my wife to add a roadier bike to the stable. I 
> know these are rare but thought I would give it a go. Any color is fine, 
> just no dents please. Thanks all. 
>

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[RBW] 13 shots for 13…2013 that is…and maybe a few more...

[Paul Germain]

I'd like to jump on Meade Anderson's bandwagon here before the new year gets 
old and add 13 of my favorite shots of 2013:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/sets/72157639835254254/


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Re: [RBW] Bike Camping. We are DOING IT WRONG

[Patrick Shea]

If you look at the pic a few slots to the right, you will see a very nice
double-toptubed-triplet.

PShea


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Mike Williams wrote:

> Looks like the means to play cricket in the right foreground,  Im
> definitely bringing that next time!  -Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 15, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Christopher Chen  wrote:
>
> I can't compete.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/11961422373/
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[RBW] Re: Bar end Silver Shifters + Campy 9 Speed drivetrain

[Jayme Frye]

Sweet! Thanks for the knowledge. Time to place a Riv order. 
Cheers

On Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:04:43 AM UTC-6, Jayme Frye wrote:
>
> I'm looking at repurposing a 9 speed Campy Veloce long cage rear der and 
> Campy cassette on a build using bar end Silver Shifters. Anyone have 
> experience with a similar setup? How well does this shift? Any gotchas I 
> should lookout for?
> Thanks
>
> Jayme Frye
>  
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[RBW] Maryland overnighter

[blueride2]

You picked a great route.Very little traffic and nice scenery. I'm familiar 
with Rt.224, but not the beautiful campsite you stayed at. Thanks for posting.

Richard

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[RBW] Re: single speed Sam

[Bill Lindsay]

I read through the Paul Melvin tech pages and it says that the Melvin will 
wrap up a full 20-teeth of difference between chainrings.  That's pretty 
sweet.  It can wrap up that 40/26 with ease.  Shift with a stick or leave 
the front derailer on. 

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:11:10 AM UTC-8, frank_a wrote:
>
>  This one will do it.
>
> http://www.paulcomp.com/melvin.html
>
>  - Frank
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:11:06 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> I've got my Sam set up at the moment as kind of a cyborg single speed 
>> with a 40/26/bashguard up front and a 16 tooth cog in back with whatever 
>> spacers and old cogs I had in my parts bucket. No front derailler at the 
>> moment.
>>
>> All this is held together with a normal length chain running through a 
>> long cage deraillier.
>>
>> I'd like to replace the rear derailleur with a chain tensioner if I can 
>> find one that will let me keep the granny gear up front for occasional use.
>>
>> Does such a thing exist?
>>
>>

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[RBW] 2014 Multi-Locale Jamboree-mania - 2 Threads

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Just a quick heads up that there are currently two (2) (TWO!) burgeoning 
RBW Jamborees gaining steam at this point: 

RBW 20th Anniversary Gathering and Entmoot -- SF Bay edition

thread - 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/f2JuoFUSiP8

and 

Minneapolis country bike rally

thread - 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/vwjlERta5X0

I have driven a hatchet through these two topics so they will remain at the 
top of the RBW Group Page.  If anyone comes up with a date/location for 
additional gatherings, please let me know and I will keep those on the top 
once they are semi-solid.

Great to see this. It's one of the truly wonderful things which has grown 
out of this group.

- Jim

cyclofiend.com / admin

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Hey there Bill - 

Right now, there are less than 10 people who have sent an email saying that 
they would absolutely, positively be on board.  

This does not concern me at all, as a number more have contacted me with 
interest.  Plus, the project has only been announced here on the list.  I 
was going to request that they make a general announcement on their Blug, 
via the Newsletter and possibly through an Instagram post.  But, I wanted 
to wait until around now before making a second push.

Also, the focus of most discussions has been features and brainstorming for 
the model.  Some of the feedback from the people who are interested but 
have not yet committed is that they are waiting until that conversation had 
ended or at least waned a bit.

Hope that helps!

- Jim




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[RBW] Re: single speed Sam

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

2 pulley wheels? 
How is that better than a derailler? 

What tensioner do people use who don't want to spend $90 on the Paul?

Jay

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:26:55 PM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I read through the Paul Melvin tech pages and it says that the Melvin will 
> wrap up a full 20-teeth of difference between chainrings.  That's pretty 
> sweet.  It can wrap up that 40/26 with ease.  Shift with a stick or leave 
> the front derailer on. 
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:11:10 AM UTC-8, frank_a wrote:
>>
>>  This one will do it.
>>
>> http://www.paulcomp.com/melvin.html
>>
>>  - Frank
>>
>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:11:06 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got my Sam set up at the moment as kind of a cyborg single speed 
>>> with a 40/26/bashguard up front and a 16 tooth cog in back with whatever 
>>> spacers and old cogs I had in my parts bucket. No front derailler at the 
>>> moment.
>>>
>>> All this is held together with a normal length chain running through a 
>>> long cage deraillier.
>>>
>>> I'd like to replace the rear derailleur with a chain tensioner if I can 
>>> find one that will let me keep the granny gear up front for occasional use.
>>>
>>> Does such a thing exist?
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: single speed Sam

[Jim M.]

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:08:21 AM UTC-8, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> 2 pulley wheels? 
> How is that better than a derailler? 
>
> What tensioner do people use who don't want to spend $90 on the Paul?
>
>>
>>>
If you want to be able to shift 14 teeth, you probably need 2 pulley 
wheels. There are cheaper quality chain tensioners than the Paul (Surly 
SIngleator, for example) but they have one wheel and could not handle your 
shift. Here's the cheapest 2-pulley tensioner that I know of: 
http://www.cambriabike.com/Shimano-Shimano-Alfine-SingleSpeed-Tensioners-Black.asp

Is it better than a derailer? I don't know. It doesn't have the sideways 
play of a derailer and it's lighter (but we all know that weight doesn't 
matter).

jim m
wc ca

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[RBW] Re: single speed Sam

[Rocky B]

there's also the Surly Singleator.  its a little cheaper...

http://surlybikes.com/parts/drivetrain/singleator

Rocky

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell "SimpleBeam" - New Model - Call for the Seriously Interested

[Bill Lindsay]

Jim

That all sounds reasonable, and I appreciate the peek into the process. 
 That tells me what I wanted to know.  

Bill

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:41:18 AM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Hey there Bill - 
>
> Right now, there are less than 10 people who have sent an email saying 
> that they would absolutely, positively be on board.  
>
> This does not concern me at all, as a number more have contacted me with 
> interest.  Plus, the project has only been announced here on the list.  I 
> was going to request that they make a general announcement on their Blug, 
> via the Newsletter and possibly through an Instagram post.  But, I wanted 
> to wait until around now before making a second push.
>
> Also, the focus of most discussions has been features and brainstorming 
> for the model.  Some of the feedback from the people who are interested but 
> have not yet committed is that they are waiting until that conversation had 
> ended or at least waned a bit.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> - Jim
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: single speed Sam

[Bill Lindsay]

"2 pulley wheels?"

If you want to run two (or three) chainrings with a single freewheel, then 
you need two pulley wheels

"How is that better than a derailler?"

Excellent question.  The spring is tons stronger.  With a derailer you have 
exactly the same chain slap properties as you do on any geared bike.  With 
the Paul the spring is burly so you have a lot less slack and slap.

"What tensioner do people use who don't want to spend $90 on the Paul?"

Try ebay.  Used and new.  Let me search for you :-)

Used:
Melvin for $35 on 
ebay

New (free shipping):
Melvin for $70 on 
ebay




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[RBW] Bicycle Music

[Tom Virgil]

Bespoken .


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[RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

[Evan Baird]

The story I was told is that modern black wall tires came about because 
Specialized was trying to copy some Japanese tires and the factory they 
contracted with wasn't able to reproduce the amber sidewalls, so they just 
covered the whole thing with black rubber and said this is the new thing, 
and from them on they just made all their tires in black.

On Monday, January 13, 2014 3:30:50 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote:
>
>
>
> All that the "casing" is on gumwall, non-puncture protected Panaracer 
> tires is just a web of strands, embedded in rubber? Topped off with a black 
> tread?
>
> I have seen coronal views of tires with a puncture proof casing that looks 
> solid, that wraps around both beads like a blanket, with the tread on top. 
> Like the Schwalbes and Conti Gatorskins have.
>
> But I am trying to understand what the casings are on these non-puncture 
> protected Panaracers
>
> Just a non- solid web of threads from bead to bead that are embedded in 
> rubber? 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/16/2014 04:40 PM, Evan Baird wrote:
The story I was told is that modern black wall tires came about 
because Specialized was trying to copy some Japanese tires and the 
factory they contracted with wasn't able to reproduce the amber 
sidewalls, so they just covered the whole thing with black rubber and 
said this is the new thing, and from them on they just made all their 
tires in black.


And how is this different from the ancient blackwall tires that were 
seen so often on English 3 speeds?



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Re: [RBW] Re: School me on Panaracer gumwall casing design.

[Bill Lindsay]

It's exactly the same.  Specialized was responsible for those ancient 
blackwalls on English 3-speeds, too.  FACT!

OK, just kidding, but here is a real story about Specialized.  Working at a 
Specialized dealer in the late 1980s we were amused to see some of the 
Taiwan bike boxes with a typo.  Some of the Rockhopper boxes were labeled: 
 ROCKPOOHER.  Sadly the decals on the frames actually said Rockhopper. 

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:58:58 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On 01/16/2014 04:40 PM, Evan Baird wrote: 
> > The story I was told is that modern black wall tires came about 
> > because Specialized was trying to copy some Japanese tires and the 
> > factory they contracted with wasn't able to reproduce the amber 
> > sidewalls, so they just covered the whole thing with black rubber and 
> > said this is the new thing, and from them on they just made all their 
> > tires in black. 
>
> And how is this different from the ancient blackwall tires that were 
> seen so often on English 3 speeds? 
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTT: Narrow for wide Noodles

[john muhl]

Mine are a Rivendell 41cm (i.e. 43cm c-to-c at the ends); would prefer a 46 
but have no objections to a 44 or 48.

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[RBW] All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[hsmitham]

Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width 
affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference 
between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?

What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:

Sheldon Brown 26" rims .

Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the 
costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[cyclotourist]

The current thinking seems to echo that of tire design: Wider = better

I would say 22.5 to 27.5 is a significant difference and would go wider all
else being equal.


Cheers,
David

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM, hsmitham  wrote:

> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width
> affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference
> between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>
> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>
> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>
> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the
> costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Hugh
>
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[RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

wider rim = wider tire… as in the same tire will be wider on the wider rim. 
There is a noticeable difference between 22.5 and 27.5… 22.5 is probably 
close to what's on your Homer. 27.5 will be more like a rim on a beach 
cruiser. 

Those all look like double wall rims w/ eyelet's… any of them are probably 
fine for your purpose. 

I would probably go with the Rhyno Lite (27.5) just for the extra width. 

--Smitty

 

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width 
> affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference 
> between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>
> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>
> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>
> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the 
> costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[dougP]

Hugh:

Are these for the Atlantis?  What tires are you planning to use?  

My personal approach is "wider is better & heavier is better".  There's 
only a hundred grams difference so that's a non-issue.  Price is reasonable 
for any of them.  A couple of friends have used the Mavic with good success 
but I'm sure the others are equally good.  

dougP

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width 
> affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference 
> between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>
> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>
> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>
> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the 
> costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

FWIW… I see the Rhyno Lites on cargo bikes all the time. 

--Smitty


On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width 
> affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference 
> between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>
> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>
> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>
> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the 
> costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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[RBW] FS: Wool arm warmers and jerseys, bike and running shoes

[Anne]

*Salsa Merino Wool Arm Warmers *17"long, size small* $*25 

*ProTogs Superwash pure wool jerseys* $20 each 
Short sleeve blue/black, size small, 15" across chest, 25" long
Long sleeve yellow, size small, 16" across chest, 23" long. Few small 
breaks in one shoulder, wrist, cuff from a fall. 
Short sleeve royal blue, size large, 18" across chest, 27" long, few small 
breaks in sleeve and on side.

*Casual bike clothing package* asking $45 for all items
Zoic Baggies, men's small 27-30" waist 
Zoic SS jersey, men's small 19" 
Hind bike short, women's medium 25-31" waist 
Loeka Capri, women's small, 27-31" waist (new w/o tags, washed) 

*Sidi Dominator* bike shoes, women's 40 $75

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[RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Mike Schiller]

I would agree wider rims flatten out the tire and increase width.  I'm not 
that excited about Sun rims though.  They seem to have more rim to rim 
height variation than others ( tire fit). And Mavics seem to crack at the 
eyelets a little more than average.  I like the the Velocity noBS rim 
 
http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/nobs-559
  or Atlas for a few more $$.  Both are MUSA and mid width at 25.4 mm.  You 
won't see much diff between 25.4 and 27.5 in tire width.

oh yea... I'd go with 36h rims as well.

good luck

~mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Hugh Smitham]

Michael, thanks for the offer, however I'm after something a bit different.
Be good to ride with again at the RSR.

David, that's the vein I was moving towards.

Smitty, good to hear the Rhyno lite's are used on Cargo's says volumes
about their strength.

Doug, Ah could be...I think wider seems to be the consensus. And as you say
the price is reasonable.

Funny, I assumed this would devolve/evolve into a high tech thread with
wind tunnel dynamics and such, see what I get for assuming. Thanks all  for
unraveling my grey matter on this subject and keeping it simple.

I'm gravitating toward the Sun rims and...hold on incoming from the
Bigshill.

Mike,  I like Velocity rims (Riv digs them) but do they come in black? And
the price is a bit more. I was hoping to keep the total cost down.

So since I'm leaning toward the Sun Rhyno Lite's has anyone personal
experience with these?

~Hugh

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving." -- Albert Einstein

http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/




On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> FWIW... I see the Rhyno Lites on cargo bikes all the time.
>
> --Smitty
>
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width
>> affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference
>> between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>>
>> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>>
>> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>>
>> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the
>> costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Mike Schiller]

Hugh...most people say wheels are not where you scrimp.  The noBS rims are 
about $60 each so kinda mid range.  

The Rynolites are used on a lots of MTB bikes too and are pretty burly. 
 They are also one of the cheapest rims on the market though, made in 
China. 

Maybe you should talk to your wheel builder and see what they say.  

~mike





On Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:11:27 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Michael, thanks for the offer, however I'm after something a bit 
> different. Be good to ride with again at the RSR.
>
> David, that's the vein I was moving towards.
>
> Smitty, good to hear the Rhyno lite's are used on Cargo's says volumes 
> about their strength.
>
> Doug, Ah could be...I think wider seems to be the consensus. And as you 
> say the price is reasonable. 
>
> Funny, I assumed this would devolve/evolve into a high tech thread with 
> wind tunnel dynamics and such, see what I get for assuming. Thanks all  for 
> unraveling my grey matter on this subject and keeping it simple.
>
> I'm gravitating toward the Sun rims and...hold on incoming from the 
> Bigshill.
>
> Mike,  I like Velocity rims (Riv digs them) but do they come in black? And 
> the price is a bit more. I was hoping to keep the total cost down.
>
> So since I'm leaning toward the Sun Rhyno Lite's has anyone personal 
> experience with these?
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 
> <54c...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> FWIW… I see the Rhyno Lites on cargo bikes all the time. 
>>
>> --Smitty
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>>> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim 
>>> width affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a 
>>> difference between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>>>
>>> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>>>
>>> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep 
>>> the costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
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[RBW] WTT Viva Tape for Viva Tape (Different Color)

[Mattt]

I have green viva tape.  Anyone have blue, orange, or other color (maybe) 
of Viva that they want to trade for green.  

Send me a message offline.




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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Hugh Smitham]

Mike,

Does cheap translate into poor performance?

~Hugh

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:38 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> Hugh...most people say wheels are not where you scrimp.  The noBS rims are
> about $60 each so kinda mid range.
>
> The Rynolites are used on a lots of MTB bikes too and are pretty burly.
>  They are also one of the cheapest rims on the market though, made in
> China.
>
> Maybe you should talk to your wheel builder and see what they say.
>
> ~mike
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:11:27 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Michael, thanks for the offer, however I'm after something a bit
>> different. Be good to ride with again at the RSR.
>>
>> David, that's the vein I was moving towards.
>>
>> Smitty, good to hear the Rhyno lite's are used on Cargo's says volumes
>> about their strength.
>>
>> Doug, Ah could be...I think wider seems to be the consensus. And as you
>> say the price is reasonable.
>>
>> Funny, I assumed this would devolve/evolve into a high tech thread with
>> wind tunnel dynamics and such, see what I get for assuming. Thanks all  for
>> unraveling my grey matter on this subject and keeping it simple.
>>
>> I'm gravitating toward the Sun rims and...hold on incoming from the
>> Bigshill.
>>
>> Mike,  I like Velocity rims (Riv digs them) but do they come in black?
>> And the price is a bit more. I was hoping to keep the total cost down.
>>
>> So since I'm leaning toward the Sun Rhyno Lite's has anyone personal
>> experience with these?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54c...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW... I see the Rhyno Lites on cargo bikes all the time.
>>>
>>> --Smitty
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>>>
 Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim
 width affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a
 difference between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?

 What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:

 Sheldon Brown 26" rims .

 Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep
 the costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.

 Thanks,

 ~Hugh

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[RBW] single speed Sam

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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Mike Schiller]

can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim even 
for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb) is a 
lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping off 
cliffs.

This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of the 
Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in 
black!   
http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428&TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw

I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with. 
 They are the go-to rim for touring.
mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Christopher Chen]

Big thumbs up for the dyads. I have 'em on the front, got 'em when I got
the SON28, and I'll be building up a rear wheel soon.

Manny has 'em on his Hillborne, and that has to count for something*

*Yeah, it counts for HEARSAY


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim even
> for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb) is a
> lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping off
> cliffs.
>
> This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of the
> Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in
> black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428
> &TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw
>
> I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with.
>  They are the go-to rim for touring.
> mike
>
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[RBW] Bike & Coffee Porn Video

[Christopher Chen]

You've been warned, it's safe for work, but maybe not for your wallet:

http://vimeo.com/84343669

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Re: [RBW] Bike & Coffee Porn Video

[Michael Williams]

Thanks for sharing CC,   looks like quite a few methods for enjoying
coffee, i had no ideer


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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Hugh Smitham]

Mike,

Your link didn't work? Does Velocity make the Dyad in a 26" rim?

~Hugh

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> can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim even
> for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb) is a
> lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping off
> cliffs.
>
> This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of the
> Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in
> black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428
> &TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw
>
> I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with.
>  They are the go-to rim for touring.
> mike
>
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Re: [RBW] Bike & Coffee Porn Video

[Christopher Chen]

You know what's missing from that video mustache man?

A cricket bat. I bet you can make a mean cup of coffee with a cricket bat.


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Michael Williams  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing CC,   looks like quite a few methods for enjoying
> coffee, i had no ideer
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
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>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike & Coffee Porn Video

[Michael Williams]

Ha!   Yes yes , I can picture it now


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> You know what's missing from that video mustache man?
>
> A cricket bat. I bet you can make a mean cup of coffee with a cricket bat.
>
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>> Thanks for sharing CC,   looks like quite a few methods for enjoying
>> coffee, i had no ideer
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>
>>> You've been warned, it's safe for work, but maybe not for your wallet:
>>>
>>> http://vimeo.com/84343669
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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Andy Schmidt]

try this... http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims#sizes-tab


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Your link didn't work? Does Velocity make the Dyad in a 26" rim?
>
> ~Hugh
>
> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Mike Schiller 
> wrote:
>
>> can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim
>> even for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb)
>> is a lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping
>> off cliffs.
>>
>> This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of the
>> Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in
>> black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428
>> &TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw
>>
>> I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with.
>>  They are the go-to rim for touring.
>> mike
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Hugh Smitham]

How about these?

http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/nobs-559

~Hugh

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim even
> for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb) is a
> lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping off
> cliffs.
>
> This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of the
> Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in
> black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428
> &TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw
>
> I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with.
>  They are the go-to rim for touring.
> mike
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Christopher Chen]

No Dyad in 26" but the Aeroheat looks incredibly similar:
http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/aeroheat-559


On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Andy Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> try this... http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims#sizes-tab
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Your link didn't work? Does Velocity make the Dyad in a 26" rim?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Mike Schiller > > wrote:
>>
>>> can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim
>>> even for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb)
>>> is a lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping
>>> off cliffs.
>>>
>>> This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of the
>>> Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in
>>> black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428
>>> &TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw
>>>
>>> I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with.
>>>  They are the go-to rim for touring.
>>> mike
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Hugh Smitham]

Right they don't make a Dyad in 26"

~Hugh

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Christopher Chen  wrote:

> No Dyad in 26" but the Aeroheat looks incredibly similar:
> http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/aeroheat-559
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Andy Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> try this... http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims#sizes-tab
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Your link didn't work? Does Velocity make the Dyad in a 26" rim?
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Mike Schiller <
>>> mikeybi...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim
 even for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb)
 is a lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping
 off cliffs.

 This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of
 the Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in
 black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428
 &TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw

 I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with.
  They are the go-to rim for touring.
 mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Mike Schiller]

hmmm link worked for me.   The Aeroheat uses the same extrusion as the 
Dyad.  I don't know why they don't call it a Dyad?   

Shop around, you can buy them for around $50 per rim.  

~mike

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>
> try this… http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims#sizes-tab
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Hugh Smitham 
> > wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Your link didn't work? Does Velocity make the Dyad in a 26" rim?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Mike Schiller 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim 
>>> even for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb) 
>>> is a lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping 
>>> off cliffs.
>>>
>>> This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of the 
>>> Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in 
>>> black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428
>>> &TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw
>>>
>>> I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with. 
>>>  They are the go-to rim for touring.
>>> mike
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Andy Schmidt]

BigSchill Mike already mentioned the NoBS. it lacks eyelet's, but I imagine
they've beefed it up accordingly.

FWIW... I was contemplating the Velocity Cliffhanger (559) for my tandem...
it's like an over wide 26" Dyad.


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> Right they don't make a Dyad in 26"
>
> ~Hugh
>
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> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>
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>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Christopher Chen wrote:
>
>> No Dyad in 26" but the Aeroheat looks incredibly similar:
>> http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/aeroheat-559
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Andy Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> try this... http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims#sizes-tab
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
 Mike,

 Your link didn't work? Does Velocity make the Dyad in a 26" rim?

 ~Hugh

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 moving." -- Albert Einstein

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> can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim
> even for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb)
> is a lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping
> off cliffs.
>
> This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of
> the Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and 
> in
> black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428
> &TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw
>
> I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured
> with.  They are the go-to rim for touring.
> mike
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Hugh Smitham]

Oh my! I'm going back and forth between a rabble and sanity.

No really thanks Andy I'll check it out. But first.

~Hugh

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Andy Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com> wrote:

> try this... http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims#sizes-tab
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Your link didn't work? Does Velocity make the Dyad in a 26" rim?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Mike Schiller > > wrote:
>>
>>> can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim
>>> even for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb)
>>> is a lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping
>>> off cliffs.
>>>
>>> This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of the
>>> Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in
>>> black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428
>>> &TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw
>>>
>>> I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with.
>>>  They are the go-to rim for touring.
>>> mike
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Hugh Smitham]

Got it Mike. I'll check them out and talk to the wheel builder.

~Hugh

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> hmmm link worked for me.   The Aeroheat uses the same extrusion as the
> Dyad.  I don't know why they don't call it a Dyad?
>
> Shop around, you can buy them for around $50 per rim.
>
> ~mike
>
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:16:31 PM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
>> try this... http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims#sizes-tab
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> Your link didn't work? Does Velocity make the Dyad in a 26" rim?
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Mike Schiller 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim
 even for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb)
 is a lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping
 off cliffs.

 This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of
 the Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in
 black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428&;
 TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw

 I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with.
  They are the go-to rim for touring.
 mike


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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Mike Schiller]

The noBS is what I suggested before. But I really  think it's too heavy for 
most uses except for really heavy loads, tandems and larger riders.  The 
Aeroheat is exactly the same rim geometry as the Dyad. They both come from 
the same extrusion die.  For some reason when they roll at 26" and smaller 
they call it an Aeroheat.  

~mike

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:19:30 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> How about these?
>
> http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/nobs-559
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Mike Schiller 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim 
>> even for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb) 
>> is a lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping 
>> off cliffs.
>>
>> This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of the 
>> Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in 
>> black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428
>> &TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw
>>
>> I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with. 
>>  They are the go-to rim for touring.
>> mike
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Hugh Smitham]

Thanks Mike.

~Hugh

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Mike Schiller wrote:

> The noBS is what I suggested before. But I really  think it's too heavy
> for most uses except for really heavy loads, tandems and larger riders.
>  The Aeroheat is exactly the same rim geometry as the Dyad. They both come
> from the same extrusion die.  For some reason when they roll at 26" and
> smaller they call it an Aeroheat.
>
> ~mike
>
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:19:30 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> How about these?
>>
>> http://www.velocityusa.com/product/rims/nobs-559
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Mike Schiller 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> can't really answer that one  Hugh.  I'd go with a little lighter rim
>>> even for off-road s24o's.  100 gms of rotating weight per wheel ( 1/4 lb)
>>> is a lot to deal with unless you are carrying super heavy loads or jumping
>>> off cliffs.
>>>
>>> This is what I would get Velocity Aeroheat is the 26" version of the
>>> Dyad and it comes in black. Great rims, very durable for touring and in
>>> black!   http://www.modernbike.com/itemgroup.asp?igpk=2126174428&;
>>> TID=367&gclid=CL-h5dOxhLwCFQVbfgodkUUAOw
>>>
>>> I have Dyads on my Matthews and also had them on my Soma I toured with.
>>>  They are the go-to rim for touring.
>>> mike
>>>
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[RBW] Bleriot, the Hat

[Eric Norris]

Alas, it doesn't seem to be available any more. Perhaps Grant can bring it back?

http://fifocycle.blogspot.com/2010/12/new-hats-for-icy-winds.html


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Re: [RBW] Bleriot, the Hat

[cyclotourist]

They might still have some in different fabrics:
http://www.fifocycle.com/collections/heavyweight-collection/products/mod-310-the-bleriot-1203

Very fashionable!

Cheers,
David

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> Alas, it doesn't seem to be available any more. Perhaps Grant can bring it
> back?
>
> http://fifocycle.blogspot.com/2010/12/new-hats-for-icy-winds.html
>
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[RBW] Re: Sykesville, MD 30-miler on Sam today.

[Michael]

> Anytime. Sounds like fun. Just email me: john11.2...@gmail.com
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[RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[grant]

The early mountain bikes had 32mm rims for the 50mm or so tires they had. 
The tire and rim with were proportional. Mtn bike tire rims got skinnier 
when Keith Bontrager (this is not a knock, he has been a hero) cut down 
Mavic road rims (MA-2, 20.5mm) to mtn bike 26 size, and big rim  makers and 
bike bike product managers wanted to be nearly as cool, so followed that 
move and made skinnier rims, and we've never recovered.
The ISO (international standards org) recommends much rider rims than 
almost anybody uses...for fat tires. They don't enforce rules or oversee or 
anything. They're a bunch of engineers who recommend. The older wider rims 
are more in line with their recs for fatter tires.

The only drawback to a wider tire is weight. It holds a lower pressure tire 
better, it provides slightly more height and width, and especially in the 
case of a sidepull or centerpull, it gives a fatter tire a better chance to 
escape btw the pads when the arms are released. With canti or V, this isn't 
a big deal, but if the fork blades are wide and the   canti posts are set 
wide and the rim is skinny, the pads will arc down at the contact point, 
which...can't be great.

Wider is also much stronger laterally, but...blah blah blah...

I think in our catalogue we have tire recs for rim widths. I don't have one 
here and I won't be within 122 miles of one for a few days, but 
basically...if your tire is fat your rim should be...not skinny. I don't 
think I'm surprising anybody with that statement, but I apologize for using 
so many words to get to it.
G

On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width 
> affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference 
> between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>
> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>
> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>
> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the 
> costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~Hugh
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: All turned around bout rims [SOS Help!]

[Hugh Smitham]

I know Grant you are a chatty sort. But really thanks for the explanation
with some history behind it...history is always fun stuff in my book!
Lesson and all.

~Hugh

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moving." -- Albert Einstein

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On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 10:23 PM, grant  wrote:

> The early mountain bikes had 32mm rims for the 50mm or so tires they had.
> The tire and rim with were proportional. Mtn bike tire rims got skinnier
> when Keith Bontrager (this is not a knock, he has been a hero) cut down
> Mavic road rims (MA-2, 20.5mm) to mtn bike 26 size, and big rim  makers and
> bike bike product managers wanted to be nearly as cool, so followed that
> move and made skinnier rims, and we've never recovered.
> The ISO (international standards org) recommends much rider rims than
> almost anybody uses...for fat tires. They don't enforce rules or oversee or
> anything. They're a bunch of engineers who recommend. The older wider rims
> are more in line with their recs for fatter tires.
>
> The only drawback to a wider tire is weight. It holds a lower pressure
> tire better, it provides slightly more height and width, and especially in
> the case of a sidepull or centerpull, it gives a fatter tire a better
> chance to escape btw the pads when the arms are released. With canti or V,
> this isn't a big deal, but if the fork blades are wide and the   canti
> posts are set wide and the rim is skinny, the pads will arc down at the
> contact point, which...can't be great.
>
> Wider is also much stronger laterally, but...blah blah blah...
>
> I think in our catalogue we have tire recs for rim widths. I don't have
> one here and I won't be within 122 miles of one for a few days, but
> basically...if your tire is fat your rim should be...not skinny. I don't
> think I'm surprising anybody with that statement, but I apologize for using
> so many words to get to it.
> G
>
> On Thursday, January 16, 2014 5:00:38 PM UTC-8, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Hey I need the collective wisdom of this group. First, how does rim width
>> affect tires overall width, height, ride? Does it even make a difference
>> between 22.5 mm and 27.5 mm?
>>
>> What are your thoughts on these rims for a loaded tour/S240 rig:
>>
>> Sheldon Brown 26" rims .
>>
>> Which of these would you go for especially if your attempting to keep the
>> costs down? Other suggestions are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
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