[RBW] POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Philip Williamson]

Green housing on the Quickbeam. I've only ever had silver ferrules, but I 
suppose brass would be nice. 
Black is classic. Gray would look good on a silver frame. I've used red and 
orange where (in)appropriate. 

Philip
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[RBW] Re: wtb: Rivendell Bombadil ~ 56cm ~ diagatube?

[Tom Harrop]

But if you did that, how would it be different from a Hunq? In-between frame 
size?

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[RBW] Re: Chain Suck under torque in Granny Gear

[ascpgh]

Deacon,

Wipe the chain enough to lay a ruler up to it, line the zero mark up on a 
pin center and see where the 12" mark hits relative the nearest pin. Sage 
advice is replace the chain if 1/16" stretch is detected. A field-expedient 
that is less precise is to pull the middle of the chain wrapped around your 
big chainring away from the teeth and see how far it goes; a little is 
fine, halfway off the tooth not so good, over a tooth is excessive.  This 
demonstration includes wear of chainring teeth and should be followed by 
more careful assessment. 

Wear beyond 1/16" eats chainrings and cassette cogs at a faster rate. At 
1/8" stretch, the drivetrain degrades in finer functions in normal use and 
begin to misbehave like chain suck when "Just Riding Along" (term of art in 
bike repair).

If the chain is beyond the normal length between its pins, it doesn't lay 
well around the tooth profile of the chainrings. Wrapped around a granny 
gear, the stretched chain is forced into a smaller set of tooth gaps by 
riding a little bit high on each tooth provided you are really easing along 
on the pedals. The force generated by the granny ring sinks those links 
farther onto the non-matching teeth beyond being freely engaging. So as the 
chainring rotates from the top where it is pulling the run of chain off the 
cassette cog, it is creating a binding fit of the chain onto itself to the 
point of sticking to the ring until knocked off by your frame. 

Continued riding will erode the teeth of rings and cogs.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:35:22 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> This isn’t happening when shifting, it’s new and happening when well 
> established in gear with gear mostly happy (it makes some noise in lowest 
> gear that it doesn’t in higher ones), cranking up a steep hill. Especially 
> happens if I stand to peddle. All suggestions welcome.
>
> Possible fixes would seem to be:
> — remove, clean, lube chain (it’s been 18 months)
> — monkey with front derailure adjustment. Help here appreciated. I’m over 
> my head on that one.
> — Other ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: Chain Suck under torque in Granny Gear

[Deacon Patrick]

Like you, Joe, I don't cross chain. I will use my four lowest gears in my 
granny gear, but generally only the bottom 2-3.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:12:38 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Are you cross-chaining? You might be catching the chain on the front teeth 
> sideways-like if the bend from the granny to the smaller rear cogs is too 
> severe. I only use the granny in the 3-or-4 biggest/lowest-gear cogs.
>
> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:35:22 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> This isn’t happening when shifting, it’s new and happening when well 
>> established in gear with gear mostly happy (it makes some noise in lowest 
>> gear that it doesn’t in higher ones), cranking up a steep hill. Especially 
>> happens if I stand to peddle. All suggestions welcome.
>>
>> Possible fixes would seem to be:
>> — remove, clean, lube chain (it’s been 18 months)
>> — monkey with front derailure adjustment. Help here appreciated. I’m over 
>> my head on that one.
>> — Other ideas?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>  
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: wtb: Rivendell Bombadil ~ 56cm ~ diagatube?

[Peter Morgano]

For me if the Hunqapillar came in a 56 I would have bought it over my
bombadil, not to take anything away from an awesome bike but the hunq had
better clearances and was a steal when it was first released. Not that it's
overpriced now, but at 1500 I had one on order at Harris before realizing
it was just too small in the TT and the 58 was gonna have negative
standover with the tires I would run on it.  I was steered towards the 56
Sam which I am sure is an awesome bike but I was looking to run big rubber,
just my take on the whole thing.
On Nov 1, 2013 5:32 AM, "Tom Harrop"  wrote:

> But if you did that, how would it be different from a Hunq? In-between
> frame size?
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[RBW] Re: Chain Suck under torque in Granny Gear

[doc]

and if all else fails...http://n-gear.com/whatis.html

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:35:22 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> This isn’t happening when shifting, it’s new and happening when well 
> established in gear with gear mostly happy (it makes some noise in lowest 
> gear that it doesn’t in higher ones), cranking up a steep hill. Especially 
> happens if I stand to peddle. All suggestions welcome.
>
> Possible fixes would seem to be:
> — remove, clean, lube chain (it’s been 18 months)
> — monkey with front derailure adjustment. Help here appreciated. I’m over 
> my head on that one.
> — Other ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Highland Day Ride

[Deacon Patrick]

Yeah, Hugh, you'd have to lose the beard mousse and spiced eyebrow wax for 
a few weeks lest the scents send me down the mountain. Grin.

As far as stinking, I read a National Geographic article in which the crew 
described how before reaching the South American village they stopped at 
the river to take their first bath in weeks. The medicine man wouldn't go 
near them because they "stunk." I knew exactly what he was talking about 
and couldn't stop laughing. Stink is in the nose of the besniffer. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:01:41 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
> 20 degrees and dark! I would say I'd love to join in but there's the 
> matter of scents (not saying I stink) and that I think it's cold at 40 
> degrees, hey that is cold in Southern California :-) Seriously, I totally 
> enjoy the scenery in your part of the world. One of these days I will ride 
> in Colorado.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:16:14 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Well it was a bundle and batten down your chihuahua type of day. 20˚F for 
>> most of my ride, as I started out before sunrise, and quickly climbed to 
>> 10,000+ feet. Lots of the ride was through 1-2” of remnant snow. I came to 
>> one cleaning and the chihuahua was less dog and more kite — someone hadn’t 
>> battened the poor lad down very well.
>>
>> Incredible views of Pikes Peak from an angle most don’t see. I passed the 
>> “Bigfoot Crossing” sign on the Pikes Peak Highway, but it was too dark for 
>> a photo, so it didn’t happen. Beautiful cloudless day and back by 2. What 
>> fantastic country this is to explore and play in!
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157637166639776
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>>  
>>

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Re: [RBW] POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Tim Gavin]

I put white on my blue/white Giordana when I tuned her up this year.  Looks
great on that classic racer.  But I used the grey housing on my Riv, and
black on my Schwinn KOM.  I like the grey because it doesn't stand out but
looks nice.


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:

> White. Definitely white.
>
>
>
>
> –Eric N
> Sent from my iPhone 5S
>
> > On Nov 1, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Philip Williamson <
> philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Green housing on the Quickbeam. I've only ever had silver ferrules, but
> I suppose brass would be nice.
> > Black is classic. Gray would look good on a silver frame. I've used red
> and orange where (in)appropriate.
> >
> > Philip
> > www.biketinker.com
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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Ron Mc]

I really, really really like my (discontinued) Acorn tubular bag on my 
go-fast bike - I can outfit it either for my tubular or clincher wheelset 
(I keep either supply staged in gallon ziplocs)



It carries everything I might need to get home on a bad day and still room 
for car keys and cell phone, etc - just no room for a beer.  

Not on this bike, but if I want to haul more, I prefer my rando bag (11 
liter).  



note the fork geometry is good for front loads


On Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:10:44 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm still thinking about setting up a dedicated mountain bike for 
> offroad touring. As I read journals and articles online, I see that 
> the various frame bags made by Revelate and others are becoming 
> popular. Like this one: 
>
> https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Seat-Bags/Viscacha 
>
> And I don't get it. Why would a bag like that, which is small and 
> which has a small opening so it's harder to load, be better than a 
> transverse saddlebag such as Carradice and Riv sell? 
>
> I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at 
> that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling 
> rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm. 
>
> -- 
> -- Anne Paulson 
>
> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
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Re: [RBW] Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Patrick Moore]

One advantage is that they clear rear tires better than transverse bags.
Even the Junior drags on the rear tire of my size M Fargo -- mostly solved
by a cardboard stiffener -- while a "wedge" of similar size would clear the
tire better. And, as others have said, no rack and certainly no loops
required.

That said, if Carradice bags were better known and positioned in the
marketplace differently, they would probably be popular as light off road
touring baggage.


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

> I'm still thinking about setting up a dedicated mountain bike for
> offroad touring. As I read journals and articles online, I see that
> the various frame bags made by Revelate and others are becoming
> popular. Like this one:
>
> https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Seat-Bags/Viscacha
>
> And I don't get it. Why would a bag like that, which is small and
> which has a small opening so it's harder to load, be better than a
> transverse saddlebag such as Carradice and Riv sell?
>
> I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at
> that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling
> rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm.
>
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>
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Re: [RBW] Chain Suck under torque in Granny Gear

[Patrick Moore]

I had this happen with distressing frequency on the Fargo when the chain
was dirty. I installed a device to prevent chainsuck; forget the name.


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> This isn’t happening when shifting, it’s new and happening when well
> established in gear with gear mostly happy (it makes some noise in lowest
> gear that it doesn’t in higher ones), cranking up a steep hill. Especially
> happens if I stand to peddle. All suggestions welcome.
>
> Possible fixes would seem to be:
> — remove, clean, lube chain (it’s been 18 months)
> — monkey with front derailure adjustment. Help here appreciated. I’m over
> my head on that one.
> — Other ideas?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chain Suck under torque in Granny Gear

[Patrick Moore]

That's the one. It works.


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:37 AM, doc  wrote:

> and if all else fails...http://n-gear.com/whatis.html
>
> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 6:35:22 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> This isn’t happening when shifting, it’s new and happening when well
>> established in gear with gear mostly happy (it makes some noise in lowest
>> gear that it doesn’t in higher ones), cranking up a steep hill. Especially
>> happens if I stand to peddle. All suggestions welcome.
>>
>> Possible fixes would seem to be:
>> — remove, clean, lube chain (it’s been 18 months)
>> — monkey with front derailure adjustment. Help here appreciated. I’m over
>> my head on that one.
>> — Other ideas?
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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Re: [RBW] Chain Suck under torque in Granny Gear

[Deacon Patrick]

Good call. In my case, my chain's been dirty for 17.7963 months before this 
started happening.

The plan is to get a new chain and see where I go from there.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, November 1, 2013 7:24:55 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I had this happen with distressing frequency on the Fargo when the chain 
> was dirty. I installed a device to prevent chainsuck; forget the name.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> This isn’t happening when shifting, it’s new and happening when well 
>> established in gear with gear mostly happy (it makes some noise in lowest 
>> gear that it doesn’t in higher ones), cranking up a steep hill. Especially 
>> happens if I stand to peddle. All suggestions welcome.
>>
>> Possible fixes would seem to be:
>> — remove, clean, lube chain (it’s been 18 months)
>> — monkey with front derailure adjustment. Help here appreciated. I’m over 
>> my head on that one.
>> — Other ideas?
>>  
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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[RBW] Re: TA Carmina BB recommendation - Atlantis

[Ron Mc]

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 2:04:41 PM UTC-5, Mike On A Bike wrote:
>
> Thanks for all of the input, but it turns out I've changed my fancy crank 
> overhaul plans some. I decided to get White ENO arms and set these up as a 
> double, and I'll be pairing it with a 113 mm SKF BB that I bought from 
> Compass. Jan Heine said I should be fine with a 113 for that even though 
> they run a little big, and this solution seems a lot simpler than messing 
> with a TA setup. I had never heard of SKF BB's until a couple of days ago 
> but man do they look like some next level engineering!
>
> Yes, roller bearings on the drive side, and oversize ball bearings on on 
the left.  Putting a cyclotouriste triple on my old Raleigh, I had to go 
with 126mm.  With the crazy 73mm-wide BB boss on Raleigh, SKF does not 
recommend use of spacers, so it's fully symmetric.  Looks funny enough to 
draw comments, but chainline is perfect and half-steps + escape adds huge 
versatility to a wide-6 in the rear.  
 

> In case anybody is interested, bikebling.com is selling the ENO arms for 
> $180 and you can add a 10% coupon to that for $162 shipped. I had upgrade 
> with a deal like that! 
> http://www.bikebling.com/White-Industries-ENO-Crank-Arms-p/whiteind-eno-crank-arms.htm
>
> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 8:51:05 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> ps - might also call the folks at Boulder Bicycle since they sell and 
>> install both the SKF and Carmina.  
>>
>> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 7:39:59 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> a reply to Mike on the SKF BB.  This is a symmetric BB, and they offer 
>>> spacers up to 4mm.  I would go for the 116 and make sure you have the 3 
>>> available spacers (1.5, 2, 4).  This will get you up to the extra 10mm with 
>>> the width plus spacer offset, and gives you 3 other options for dialing in 
>>> chainline.  The SKF square tapers are Big, and the crank arms don't seat 
>>> very deeply on them.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 12:06:28 AM UTC-5, Mike On A Bike wrote:

 Hey Mitch,

 I saw this post as I was searching for folks experiences with carmina 
 cranks and SKF BB's. I am thinking of buying a used carmina on here and 
 pairing it with an SKF BB and I just wanted to know if you ended up going 
 that route? I read Peter White's carmina info and it seems like a 110 mm 
 would work best for the double I'm looking to setup, and he says it should 
 be 10 mm more for a triple, so I'd be curious to know what you have.

 How do you like the carmina? Happy riding and thanks for your feedback!

 Mike 




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RE: [RBW] POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

+1 on the Titanium - looks great on everything.

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Subject: Re: [RBW] POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? 
Ferrules?


Jagwire titanium with brass ferrules, silver and gold baby!
On Oct 31, 2013 7:09 PM, "Michael" 
mailto:john11.2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
1. You like gray or black on your Rivendell?
2. You like silver, or brass colored ferrules like Riv does?

Noticed that Riv builds have gray housing with brass ferrules. Was wondering 
why they use that combo.
Seems like it stands out less on a bike than black housing does. What a cool 
idea. Don't know if they really do it for that reason.

So was wondering what everyone's preference was for their Rivendells.

My answers:
1. Gray
2. Brass.

I hope to put gray on my Bleriot soon. it has black now. I like the gray on my 
Sam.
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Re: [RBW] Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Hugh Smitham]

Patrick Moore, have been wondering where you've been...glad to see your
here.



Best,


~Hugh


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> One advantage is that they clear rear tires better than transverse bags.
> Even the Junior drags on the rear tire of my size M Fargo -- mostly solved
> by a cardboard stiffener -- while a "wedge" of similar size would clear the
> tire better. And, as others have said, no rack and certainly no loops
> required.
>
> That said, if Carradice bags were better known and positioned in the
> marketplace differently, they would probably be popular as light off road
> touring baggage.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
>> I'm still thinking about setting up a dedicated mountain bike for
>> offroad touring. As I read journals and articles online, I see that
>> the various frame bags made by Revelate and others are becoming
>> popular. Like this one:
>>
>> https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Seat-Bags/Viscacha
>>
>> And I don't get it. Why would a bag like that, which is small and
>> which has a small opening so it's harder to load, be better than a
>> transverse saddlebag such as Carradice and Riv sell?
>>
>> I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at
>> that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling
>> rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hetre/Synergy safety issue?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

 Lacking any hard data, we can only play with the numbers.  3 mm is
25% of 12 mm, which is probably the average difference in bottom
bracket height between cyclocross and road bike bottom bracket
heights. People have argued that road bikes noticably turn better than
cyclocross bikes due to this difference, so perhaps the princess on 4
peas would notice the difference!

Toshi


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Jan Heine  wrote:
The difference in tire height (about 3 mm) will lift your center of
> gravity by about 0.3%. Even the princess on the pea would be hard-pressed to
> notice that!
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Re: [RBW] Another stolen Riv in the SfBay area

[cyclotourist]

The pic isn't really the best to show details, but those do look like some
26ers with fat knobs.
Maybe a custom or post-retail surgery?

Cheers,
David

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> why would anyone claim their 2TT Bombadil had 26" wheels?
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Re: [RBW] Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Patrick Moore]

I haven't gone away (much to y'all's chagrin); have  been simultaneously
sick and busy (and irritable and morose). Better today.


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> Patrick Moore, have been wondering where you've been...glad to see your
> here.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> One advantage is that they clear rear tires better than transverse bags.
>> Even the Junior drags on the rear tire of my size M Fargo -- mostly solved
>> by a cardboard stiffener -- while a "wedge" of similar size would clear the
>> tire better. And, as others have said, no rack and certainly no loops
>> required.
>>
>> That said, if Carradice bags were better known and positioned in the
>> marketplace differently, they would probably be popular as light off road
>> touring baggage.
>>
>>
>>  On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>>>  I'm still thinking about setting up a dedicated mountain bike for
>>> offroad touring. As I read journals and articles online, I see that
>>> the various frame bags made by Revelate and others are becoming
>>> popular. Like this one:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Seat-Bags/Viscacha
>>>
>>> And I don't get it. Why would a bag like that, which is small and
>>> which has a small opening so it's harder to load, be better than a
>>> transverse saddlebag such as Carradice and Riv sell?
>>>
>>> I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at
>>> that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling
>>> rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm.
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [RBW] Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Ron Mc]

hang in there, bro, you have friends here

On Friday, November 1, 2013 11:37:43 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I haven't gone away (much to y'all's chagrin); have  been simultaneously 
> sick and busy (and irritable and morose). Better today.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Hugh Smitham 
> > wrote:
>
>> Patrick Moore, have been wondering where you've been...glad to see your 
>> here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Patrick Moore 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> One advantage is that they clear rear tires better than transverse bags. 
>>> Even the Junior drags on the rear tire of my size M Fargo -- mostly solved 
>>> by a cardboard stiffener -- while a "wedge" of similar size would clear the 
>>> tire better. And, as others have said, no rack and certainly no loops 
>>> required.
>>>
>>> That said, if Carradice bags were better known and positioned in the 
>>> marketplace differently, they would probably be popular as light off road 
>>> touring baggage.
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Anne Paulson 
>>> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
  I'm still thinking about setting up a dedicated mountain bike for
 offroad touring. As I read journals and articles online, I see that
 the various frame bags made by Revelate and others are becoming
 popular. Like this one:


 https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Seat-Bags/Viscacha

 And I don't get it. Why would a bag like that, which is small and
 which has a small opening so it's harder to load, be better than a
 transverse saddlebag such as Carradice and Riv sell?

 I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at
 that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling
 rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm.

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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Mike Schiller]

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 2:10:44 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at 
> that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling 
> rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm. 
>
> -- 
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>
>
>
Salsa and Surly have been doing the rigid MTB for a number of years.  The 
Fargo and Ogre both look like perfect bikes for off-road touring, just as a 
Hunqapillar of Bomba would.  I'm really interested int he new Surly ECR 
with 29 x 3" tires.  It has all the braze on's for racks or can be run with 
frame bags. Low BB ( like Atlantis low at 80mm) kinda like a LHT for pure 
off-road camping/touring.

~mike 

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Rivendell Bombadil ~ 56cm ~ diagatube?

[Leslie]

On Friday, November 1, 2013 5:32:52 AM UTC-4, Tom Harrop wrote:
>
> But if you did that, how would it be different from a Hunq? In-between 
> frame size?



Biggest thing, tire size;   smaller Hunq's are 26", the 54 and up are 
700c;  the Bomba is 650b, until you get up to a 60, then it switches to 
700c too.

My Bomba is a 56, in 650b;  if I went w/ a Hunq, it'd be a 54, in 700c...  



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Re: [RBW] Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. As usual, I was exaggerating -- things are not too bad.

Back to regular programming.

PAM, blushing furiously (not to say morosely) in ABQ, NM


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> hang in there, bro, you have friends here
>
> On Friday, November 1, 2013 11:37:43 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I haven't gone away (much to y'all's chagrin); have  been simultaneously
>> sick and busy (and irritable and morose). Better today.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Moore, have been wondering where you've been...glad to see your
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 One advantage is that they clear rear tires better than transverse
 bags. Even the Junior drags on the rear tire of my size M Fargo -- mostly
 solved by a cardboard stiffener -- while a "wedge" of similar size would
 clear the tire better. And, as others have said, no rack and certainly no
 loops required.

 That said, if Carradice bags were better known and positioned in the
 marketplace differently, they would probably be popular as light off road
 touring baggage.


  On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:

>  I'm still thinking about setting up a dedicated mountain bike for
> offroad touring. As I read journals and articles online, I see that
> the various frame bags made by Revelate and others are becoming
> popular. Like this one:
>
> https://www.revelatedesigns.**com/index.cfm/store.catalog/**
> Seat-Bags/Viscacha
>
> And I don't get it. Why would a bag like that, which is small and
> which has a small opening so it's harder to load, be better than a
> transverse saddlebag such as Carradice and Riv sell?
>
> I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at
> that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling
> rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm.
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Shawn Granton]

A few points:

   - There* are* some bikepacker types who use traditional Carradice 
   saddlebags. Nick of Gypsy By Trade does. 
   http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/ If you look at his touring bike page, 
   you can see his Camper Longflap on his Raleigh XXIX+G, Pugsley, and pretty 
   much all of his bikes. http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/my-bikes/ In 
   fact, I purchased an old Lowsaddle Longflap off of him.
   - Carradice does make some saddlebags that are more wedge shape, so more 
   in line with the Revelate style bags and all. 
   
http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=range&product_id=138 
  
 
   
http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&under=range&product_id=57  
   
   http://www.carradice.co.uk/index.php?page_id=product&product_id=56
   - Joe B in Portland, if you're thinking of selling your Camper Longflap 
   at a reasonable price, please get in touch!

your Carradice partisan,
Shawn


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Re: [RBW] Another stolen Riv in the SfBay area

[Bill Lindsay]

possibly.  maybe a proto?  

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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Clayton]

I think one of the biggest advantages to the Revelate bags for offroad 
touring, is that when you shift your weight way back, such as going down a 
steep singletrack, your legs clear. With a transverse bag, you can only 
throw your weight back until your legs hit. They also don't get hung up on 
that trailside tree limb you failed to see, like my panniers did once, 
sending me over the bars (Disclaimer: I use a Rivendell Adam transverse bag 
on a daily basis and have not owned a Revelate as I don't do any "extreme" 
off road touring). If you are planning on doing a lot of singletrack 
riding, I'd go for the Revelate bags. 

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 2:10:44 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm still thinking about setting up a dedicated mountain bike for 
> offroad touring. As I read journals and articles online, I see that 
> the various frame bags made by Revelate and others are becoming 
> popular. Like this one: 
>
> https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Seat-Bags/Viscacha 
>
> And I don't get it. Why would a bag like that, which is small and 
> which has a small opening so it's harder to load, be better than a 
> transverse saddlebag such as Carradice and Riv sell? 
>
> I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at 
> that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling 
> rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm. 
>
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>
> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
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Re: [RBW] Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Hugh Smitham]

+1 what Ron MC said. Hope you feel better real soon.



Best,


~Hugh


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I haven't gone away (much to y'all's chagrin); have  been simultaneously
> sick and busy (and irritable and morose). Better today.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
>> Patrick Moore, have been wondering where you've been...glad to see your
>> here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> One advantage is that they clear rear tires better than transverse bags.
>>> Even the Junior drags on the rear tire of my size M Fargo -- mostly solved
>>> by a cardboard stiffener -- while a "wedge" of similar size would clear the
>>> tire better. And, as others have said, no rack and certainly no loops
>>> required.
>>>
>>> That said, if Carradice bags were better known and positioned in the
>>> marketplace differently, they would probably be popular as light off road
>>> touring baggage.
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Anne Paulson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  I'm still thinking about setting up a dedicated mountain bike for
 offroad touring. As I read journals and articles online, I see that
 the various frame bags made by Revelate and others are becoming
 popular. Like this one:


 https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Seat-Bags/Viscacha

 And I don't get it. Why would a bag like that, which is small and
 which has a small opening so it's harder to load, be better than a
 transverse saddlebag such as Carradice and Riv sell?

 I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at
 that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling
 rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm.

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Re: [RBW] Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Peter Morgano]

The list wouldn't be the same without you Patrick, take that for what it
is, haha.


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> +1 what Ron MC said. Hope you feel better real soon.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I haven't gone away (much to y'all's chagrin); have  been simultaneously
>> sick and busy (and irritable and morose). Better today.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Moore, have been wondering where you've been...glad to see your
>>> here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:23 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 One advantage is that they clear rear tires better than transverse
 bags. Even the Junior drags on the rear tire of my size M Fargo -- mostly
 solved by a cardboard stiffener -- while a "wedge" of similar size would
 clear the tire better. And, as others have said, no rack and certainly no
 loops required.

 That said, if Carradice bags were better known and positioned in the
 marketplace differently, they would probably be popular as light off road
 touring baggage.


  On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Anne Paulson 
 wrote:

>  I'm still thinking about setting up a dedicated mountain bike for
> offroad touring. As I read journals and articles online, I see that
> the various frame bags made by Revelate and others are becoming
> popular. Like this one:
>
>
> https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Seat-Bags/Viscacha
>
> And I don't get it. Why would a bag like that, which is small and
> which has a small opening so it's harder to load, be better than a
> transverse saddlebag such as Carradice and Riv sell?
>
> I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at
> that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling
> rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm.
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Brewster Fong]

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:09:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: 
>
>  1. You like gray or black on your Rivendell?
> 2. You like silver, or brass colored ferrules like Riv does?
>  
> Noticed that Riv builds have gray housing with brass ferrules. Was 
> wondering why they use that combo.
> Seems like it stands out less on a bike than black housing does. What a 
> cool idea. Don't know if they really do it for that reason.
>  
> So was wondering what everyone's preference was for their Rivendells.
>  
> My answers:
> 1. Gray
> 2. Brass.
>
 
If you like brass ferrules, you may also like brass cable adjusters too:
 
http://www.kirkframeworks.com/accessories_photos/barrel_adj.jpg
 
Reasonably priced too at $10/pair:
 
http://www.kirkframeworks.com/accessories.htm
 
Good Luck! 

>   
> I hope to put gray on my Bleriot soon. it has black now. I like the gray 
> on my Sam.
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[RBW] Planning 72 hours in Marin

[John L]

Just took possession of a new Surly Trucker Deluxe which I had Harris 
Cyclery build up with a mix of Riv-ish and otherwise practical parts 
(moustache bars, silver shifters, the new IRD 8 speed cassette mated to an 
XT 44-32-22 crank), and while I don't have yet the tools, couplers, travel 
case, or technical ability to break it apart for travel, I'm itching to get 
out there and use it.  Have a week off coming up and nothing planned, so I 
bought a spur of the moment ticket to SFO on Virgin, which claims to let 
bikes under 23 kg fly for free (it's nothing near a weight weenie build, 
but I think I'm safe).  The plan is, put the bike on the plane in a nashbar 
travel bag, and then put the bag into storage and cycle from the airport to 
the Golden Gate bridge with a special focus on staying alive in city 
traffic, then hit a mix of road and trails once over the bridge.  Tentative 
itinerary is to head up Mt. Tam and stay at the West Point Inn on the 12th, 
up the Bolinas Ridge to Olema and back down to Wildcat campground on 13th, 
and then down to the headlands and Hawk campground on the 14th (have 
confirmed that the first two have availability, have to call to see about 
Hawk but my sense is that fall weekdays are not peak period for camping in 
Marin).  I'm taking on the red eye back to Boston the night of the 15th, so 
plan to slowly make my way back to the airport over the course of the last 
day.  I know there's people here with more experience in Marin, so I'm open 
to suggestions on route, and if anyone wants to join for part or all of the 
ride, I'd welcome the company ( be advised, though, am fat and slow).

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Re: [RBW] Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Steven Frederick]

Mountain bikes are fun.  Take a look at some of SOMA's offerings.  They're
one of the least expensive brands that use frame size specific tubing in
their builds.  I really like my Juice (set up as a singlespeed) and almost
bought a B-line.

The Revelate bags are designed to be minimalist and fit mountain bikes that
don't really have any allowance for touring gear.  (no braze ons,
suspension complications, etc).  They're also designed to be streamlined
and out of the way when trail riding, utilizing the "dead spaces" of the
frame (main triangle, under the bars, behind the saddle, etc)

Steve.


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> I'm still thinking about setting up a dedicated mountain bike for
> offroad touring. As I read journals and articles online, I see that
> the various frame bags made by Revelate and others are becoming
> popular. Like this one:
>
> https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Seat-Bags/Viscacha
>
> And I don't get it. Why would a bag like that, which is small and
> which has a small opening so it's harder to load, be better than a
> transverse saddlebag such as Carradice and Riv sell?
>
> I was looking at different bikes at my LBS today, and oh, look at
> that, suddenly mountain bike manufacturers like Salsa are selling
> rigid bikes as mountain bikes. Hmm.
>
> --
> -- Anne Paulson
>
> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
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[RBW] Re: POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Garth]

Silver is my choice :) 

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[RBW] Re: POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Garth]

Silver housing for me :)  

I've always loved the silver stuff, whether it's Jagwire flat silver, or I 
see now they have Sterling silver, which looks awesome ! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Peter Morgano]

I have the flat silver on one bike but really like the braided looks they
have been coming out with. I have the braided gold on my MB2 and braided
carbon silver on my Bombadil.
On Nov 1, 2013 3:43 PM, "Garth"  wrote:

> Silver housing for me :)
>
> I've always loved the silver stuff, whether it's Jagwire flat silver, or I
> see now they have Sterling silver, which looks awesome !
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[RBW] POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Perry]

You guys/gals spend way too much time color matching/accessorizing. Not that 
there's anything wrong with that. ;)

Perry "you can have any color cable housing as long as it's black and any color 
ferrules as long as they're silver because that's what I buy and stock in bulk" 

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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[sameness]

One possible minor benefit: Lesser likelihood of thigh contact? 

Never used a Revelate, but unless my Lowsaddle Longflap is packed pert near 
solid, it has a tendency to get a little floppy at the corners and bow in 
towards the back of the saddle. 

The thigh contact isn't a deal breaker, but if I had a choice in the 
matter, it wouldn't be happening.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Garth]

Yep, I didn't mention it , but thigh rubbing is another "non negotiable" 
for me.  For this reason I even ditched the Banana Bag I once had, I rigged 
it so it wouldn't rub, but then it would sway because I couldn't get the 
leather strap tight enough around the seat stays ... lol.  The Revelate 
bags are like the Banana bag embiggened and* perfected* ! 




On Friday, November 1, 2013 5:00:34 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote:
>
> One possible minor benefit: Lesser likelihood of thigh contact? 
>
> Never used a Revelate, but unless my Lowsaddle Longflap is packed pert 
> near solid, it has a tendency to get a little floppy at the corners and bow 
> in towards the back of the saddle. 
>
> The thigh contact isn't a deal breaker, but if I had a choice in the 
> matter, it wouldn't be happening.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Warragul, VIC Australia
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Re: [RBW] Re: POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Bill Lindsay]

there's grey and then there's grey.  there is a classy dark grey, like dura ace 
and xtr housing.  there is the stuff that was closer to clear, where you could 
see the coiled metal underneath.  bridgestones came with that stuff out of the 
box.  flat pale grey can be nice, and that was one of the campy options.

i usually just go black, though

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Anne Paulson]

Thanks, everybody, for your excellent, thought-provoking posts and
links. Whoever mentioned those super-big 3" tires for off-road, yeah.
The Krampus and the ECR look so cool.

One thing I hadn't appreciated about the Revelate-style bags is that
saddlebags that aren't any wider than me are not going to be a problem
*when riding*. But they might be a problem *when pushing*. I almost
never push my Atlantis when I'm touring-- that's what low gears are
for-- but off-road, I'd definitely be spending plenty of time
hike-a-biking. Rear panniers get in the way of my legs when pushing,
and wide saddlebags are somewhat in the way as well.

On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
> Yep, I didn't mention it , but thigh rubbing is another "non negotiable" for
> me.  For this reason I even ditched the Banana Bag I once had, I rigged it
> so it wouldn't rub, but then it would sway because I couldn't get the
> leather strap tight enough around the seat stays ... lol.  The Revelate bags
> are like the Banana bag embiggened and perfected !
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 1, 2013 5:00:34 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote:
>>
>> One possible minor benefit: Lesser likelihood of thigh contact?
>>
>> Never used a Revelate, but unless my Lowsaddle Longflap is packed pert
>> near solid, it has a tendency to get a little floppy at the corners and bow
>> in towards the back of the saddle.
>>
>> The thigh contact isn't a deal breaker, but if I had a choice in the
>> matter, it wouldn't be happening.
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Warragul, VIC Australia
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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Projects, 2013/14 version

[Anne]

Rebuild my S+S bike in hopes of a travel trip in the next year.
Maximize my time outside on mtb trial or XC skis

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddlebags vs Revelate bags

[Deacon Patrick]

I hike-a-bike quite a bit, with the large SaddleSack and sometimes with the 
TourSacks under it. Neither has been an issue for me.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, November 1, 2013 4:53:11 PM UTC-6, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> Thanks, everybody, for your excellent, thought-provoking posts and 
> links. Whoever mentioned those super-big 3" tires for off-road, yeah. 
> The Krampus and the ECR look so cool. 
>
> One thing I hadn't appreciated about the Revelate-style bags is that 
> saddlebags that aren't any wider than me are not going to be a problem 
> *when riding*. But they might be a problem *when pushing*. I almost 
> never push my Atlantis when I'm touring-- that's what low gears are 
> for-- but off-road, I'd definitely be spending plenty of time 
> hike-a-biking. Rear panniers get in the way of my legs when pushing, 
> and wide saddlebags are somewhat in the way as well. 
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Garth > 
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Yep, I didn't mention it , but thigh rubbing is another "non negotiable" 
> for 
> > me.  For this reason I even ditched the Banana Bag I once had, I rigged 
> it 
> > so it wouldn't rub, but then it would sway because I couldn't get the 
> > leather strap tight enough around the seat stays ... lol.  The Revelate 
> bags 
> > are like the Banana bag embiggened and perfected ! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, November 1, 2013 5:00:34 PM UTC-4, sameness wrote: 
> >> 
> >> One possible minor benefit: Lesser likelihood of thigh contact? 
> >> 
> >> Never used a Revelate, but unless my Lowsaddle Longflap is packed pert 
> >> near solid, it has a tendency to get a little floppy at the corners and 
> bow 
> >> in towards the back of the saddle. 
> >> 
> >> The thigh contact isn't a deal breaker, but if I had a choice in the 
> >> matter, it wouldn't be happening. 
> >> 
> >> Jeff Hagedorn 
> >> Warragul, VIC Australia 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Dura-Ace 7703 group, Square Taper BBs and some misc bits.

[Anne]

Updated one more time for what's left, prices on all now include postage 
w/in US
Contact offlist for photos or to buy.


Used Maxxis Ignitor 29x2.1 (kevlar/folding) $26
Used Bontrager Jones XR 29x2.25 (kevlar/folding) $20
Buy both for $38 

Three pack of 26" tires $85 shipped, singles are $36

New Kenda Karma DTC L3R Pro 26.0 x 2.0 
New Geax AKA 26 x 2.2 
Maxxis Ignitor 26 x 2.1 (2 rides, like new) 

New and used SwissStop yellow pads, also full set of pad holders for 
V-brakes (nice upgrade over some canti pad holders) $40 for the package

Misc.package $15
3 brake cable hangers for 1" steerer tube 
Front der braze on clamp, for 1.125" seat tube
N-Gear Jump Stop chain guide, 1.125" seat tube

Thorne seat collar with rear cable stop, new 31.8, $15 or add to any other 
item here for $10

Chris King mtb disc front hub axle to convert from 15Thru back to 9MM QR $35

Ritchey 31.8 stem 30deg, 100 length, may have been mounted to a bike to 
test fit, will also include a new quill adaptor if you can use it $30 

SKS Race Blade fenders, 700c 18-23 (easily fit 25s) $35

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[RBW] Atlantis is sold - thank you!

[Me]

The Atlantis is going to a good home.  Hard to see her go but am happy for all 
the future NC rides.  

Thanks to all who showed interest.  What a pleasure it was to interact with you 
all.  I appreciate it and wish you luck in your bike quests.

My experiences selling this and the Simpleone exemplified this list at its 
best.  Instead of a chore it was a pleasure. 

Warm regards,
Tim

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[RBW] Re: Need collectives help on color choice.

[Evan]

The green is beautiful but the orange is unexpected. I vote orange.

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[RBW] FS: NOS 55cm Bleriot Frameset

[Jeff Schmidt]

Hey All-
 
  I've got a new, never ridden 55cm Bleriot frameset for sale.  It's been 
hanging out in the shop for awhile just wanting to be built.  Well, I 
decided to give up the ghost and let it be someone else's project.  It has 
a Tange headset pressed in it.  I got the frame like that.  A few paint 
niks here and there.  Nothing that you wouldn't expect from years of 
knocking around a shop.  I would like $700 plus actual shipping.  I might 
also be interested in trading for a 66cm+ Rivendell or other high quality 
steel frameset.  Thanks much and have a great night!
 
-Jeff Schmidt
Minneapolis, MN.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brake Pad Recommendations?

[Patrick Moore]

Peter: do you still want the pads?


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Patrick, I could use those for a stump jumper winter project, if you can
> find them.
> On Oct 25, 2013 10:43 PM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>
>> I've got a pair or two of non-thread-post salmons that I can't use;
>> postage gets me to look for them, discover if they are 2 or 4, and send
>> them to you. You figger costs -- 2 pr can't be a lot more than 1.
>>
>> Contact me offlist. Send stamps. I will pack, stick on stamps, and forget.
>>
>> Or will trade for Bombadil.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Mike On A Bike 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have to buy some more Kool Stop inserts for my Avid v-brakes (because
>>> their stock pads make me wanna strangle kittens) and I found they're
>>> available on Amazon Prime. They can be sort of a pain for me to get from my
>>> LBS so this is good news.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:13:45 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Indeed, Bill. Blowing through brakes is a good problem to have,
 especially if you're not on a steep hill at the time. Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:03:18 PM UTC-6, Bill Gibson wrote:
>
> Well done Deacon Patrick. I am always proud of wearing out brake pads,
> rims, tires, chains, etc. Sad, though, when a frame cracks.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> Thanks again, Ron. Next time I have a parts question, I'll just write
>> you off list. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:24:02 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> $9/pair for Kook Stop salmon - hard to beat
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 24, 2013 9:19:00 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I replaced my brake pads this spring after a year of use. Now, I
 nearly had to end a S24O before it started (but swapping sides worked) 
 from
 brake metal on rim. I’ve admittedly done a lot more steep single track,
 with full gear, plus riding slow behind my daughters, so no doubt my 
 use
 has increased.

 What’s the most cost effective quality brake pad for cantilevered
 brakes?

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: NOS 55cm Bleriot Frameset

[Michael]

>
> Do you have a link to pics?
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Re: [RBW] Need collectives help on color choice.

[Curtis McKenzie]

I like the burnt orange, but how about a stealth bike with just a clear
coat?

On Friday, November 1, 2013, Evan wrote:

> The green is beautiful but the orange is unexpected. I vote orange.
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[RBW] WTT: 6 cm and 10.5 or 11 mm, ~10* 1 1/8 threadless stems for ~ 9-11 with rise.

[Patrick Moore]

I am resurrecting my daughter's minimountainbike that has a stubby 6/31.8.
I have an Easton 10.5-11, 25.4. Both very shallow -- not quite 90*.

Either or both for something with rise and >< 9 and 11 cm.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Highland Day Ride

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, your pictures pull at me - I miss the mountains!



On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Yeah, Hugh, you'd have to lose the beard mousse and spiced eyebrow wax for
> a few weeks lest the scents send me down the mountain. Grin.
>
> As far as stinking, I read a National Geographic article in which the crew
> described how before reaching the South American village they stopped at
> the river to take their first bath in weeks. The medicine man wouldn't go
> near them because they "stunk." I knew exactly what he was talking about
> and couldn't stop laughing. Stink is in the nose of the besniffer. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:01:41 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> 20 degrees and dark! I would say I'd love to join in but there's the
>> matter of scents (not saying I stink) and that I think it's cold at 40
>> degrees, hey that is cold in Southern California :-) Seriously, I totally
>> enjoy the scenery in your part of the world. One of these days I will ride
>> in Colorado.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:16:14 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Well it was a bundle and batten down your chihuahua type of day. 20˚F
>>> for most of my ride, as I started out before sunrise, and quickly climbed
>>> to 10,000+ feet. Lots of the ride was through 1-2” of remnant snow. I came
>>> to one cleaning and the chihuahua was less dog and more kite — someone
>>> hadn’t battened the poor lad down very well.
>>>
>>> Incredible views of Pikes Peak from an angle most don’t see. I passed
>>> the “Bigfoot Crossing” sign on the Pikes Peak Highway, but it was too dark
>>> for a photo, so it didn’t happen. Beautiful cloudless day and back by 2.
>>> What fantastic country this is to explore and play in!
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**32311885@N07/sets/**72157637166639776
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Philip Williamson]

Schwinn KOM? Nice. I remember that frame hanging in the Schwinn shop, and 
my friend Will still had one 15 years later. Will is a welder and 
fabricator, and can make any bike he wants, so I always thought that was a 
telling endorsement of the KOM. 

Philip
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On Friday, November 1, 2013 6:08:50 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I put white on my blue/white Giordana when I tuned her up this year. 
>  Looks great on that classic racer.  But I used the grey housing on my Riv, 
> and black on my Schwinn KOM.  I like the grey because it doesn't stand out 
> but looks nice.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:24 AM, Eric Norris 
> > wrote:
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>> White. Definitely white.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> –Eric N
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>> > On Nov 1, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Philip Williamson 
>> > > 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Green housing on the Quickbeam. I've only ever had silver ferrules, but 
>> I suppose brass would be nice.
>> > Black is classic. Gray would look good on a silver frame. I've used red 
>> and orange where (in)appropriate.
>> >
>> > Philip
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[RBW] Re: POLL: You like Gray or black housing for your Rivendell? Ferrules?

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I generally buy gray housing, but I do use black housing that comes with 
new levers or whatever. I pretty much use what I have on hand if I have a 
suitable length. A little mis-matched housing never hurt anyone. 

--Smitty


On Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:09:54 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>
> 1. You like gray or black on your Rivendell?
> 2. You like silver, or brass colored ferrules like Riv does?
>  
> Noticed that Riv builds have gray housing with brass ferrules. Was 
> wondering why they use that combo.
> Seems like it stands out less on a bike than black housing does. What a 
> cool idea. Don't know if they really do it for that reason.
>  
> So was wondering what everyone's preference was for their Rivendells.
>  
> My answers:
> 1. Gray
> 2. Brass.
>  
> I hope to put gray on my Bleriot soon. it has black now. I like the gray 
> on my Sam.
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