[RBW] Re: Quickest bar tape goo removal chemical?

[Deacon Patrick]

White gas, but as Andrew points out it's not as fast as tast specific 
answers, but less toxic. Quite effective though.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, June 16, 2013 10:26:45 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:
>
> I use kerosene, it gets through the mastic and is fairly benign. But then, 
> it's what I have handy, there are lots of other "faster" treatments you 
> could use. 
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:14:23 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
>>
>> Anything just rips it right offa there?
>>  
>> I am cleaning off a Noodle.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rich build 559/26 inch wheel

[colinthehippie]

What's the rim width?

On Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:06:30 PM UTC-5, RonLau wrote:
>
> To all,
>
> Hello, moved recently and have this hanging around for far too long.  Hope 
> it works for one of you.
>
> I am selling the following wheel.
>
> 26 inches/559, with older 9s XT hub (steel axle), 32 spokes, brass nipples 
> with Synergy rim.
>
> Rich build this a few years ago for my wife bike but now I gave her my WI 
> wheels to use.
>
> $120 shipped to lower 48 states.  $100 local pick up.
>
> If you are using 8s cassette, I can include a good lightly used one.
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv sighting Chuckanut Drive

[David Verrinder]

I believe that was me :)  It must have been shortly before my front 
derailleur cable snapped if I was still smiling.  I was on the home stretch 
of a RT ride from Conway to Bellingham and ended up waiting in Edison for 
my friends to come back for me. The thought of the last 25 miles in a 
ridiculous gear was jut too much to bear...

On Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:23:10 PM UTC-7, bo richardson wrote:
>
> sunday evening around six pm 
> Me on my blue Rambouillet with Baggins panniers
> headed north.
> Greeted a gentleman with a big smile headed south
> on what I believe to be a Sam Hilbourne 
> although i only caught a glance
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[RBW] Re: What is the highest rise quill stem made?

[clayton]

I use a 10 cm Nitto dirt drop. I have a bad back (3 surgeries) and bad 
carpal tunnel syndrome too (3 surgeries). My Atlantis is on the small side 
of Riv's suggested sizing. I find the dirt drop high enough that I don't 
need to run the stem all the way up.
Clayton


On Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:50:11 PM UTC-7, samh wrote:
>
> In other words, what stem can get your handle bar grips the furthest from 
> earth?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rich build 559/26 inch wheel

[RonLau]

It is Velocity Synergy, 23mm wide outside to outside.


On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:47:01 AM UTC-7, colinthehippie wrote:
>
> What's the rim width?
>
> On Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:06:30 PM UTC-5, RonLau wrote:
>>
>> To all,
>>
>> Hello, moved recently and have this hanging around for far too long. 
>>  Hope it works for one of you.
>>
>> I am selling the following wheel.
>>
>> 26 inches/559, with older 9s XT hub (steel axle), 32 spokes, brass 
>> nipples with Synergy rim.
>>
>> Rich build this a few years ago for my wife bike but now I gave her my WI 
>> wheels to use.
>>
>> $120 shipped to lower 48 states.  $100 local pick up.
>>
>> If you are using 8s cassette, I can include a good lightly used one.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ron
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Quickest bar tape goo removal chemical?

[Scott Henry]

I use WD-40.   Works great.
Scott

Cheers,
Scott Henry
Dayton, OH

FTM-PTB


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[RBW] New-to-me Hunqapillar (drop-bar mountain bike/commuter rig)

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi All,
What a great Fathers' Day weekend-- I got to build up my new-to-me 
Hunqapillar. Many parts are from RBW Listers-- thanks so much for the 
parts, ideas, suggestions.

Here it is before its maiden voyage. A few adjustments for fit, but it was 
pretty good out of the repair stand.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/9066100361/


Build: 
48 cm, Waterford build
Phil Wood Rivy 26" wheels
Schwalbe Big Ben 2.15" (measure 50mm and 52mm mounted)-- cushy, but [dare I 
say] pretty heavy. I'm used to Jack Brown Greens on my Commuter CrossCheck, 
so the Big Bens are a very different tire. No problems running over things 
and hopping curbs; I'm a kid again on a BMX.

48 cm Nitto Noodle
1x7 drive train (I couldn't get the crank+bottom bracket to work as a 
triple-- I'll need to get longer bb)
VP Thin Gripsters-- I like these much better than the GripKings on my 
CrossCheck

King Cage IRIS-- works great with stainless steel Klean Kanteen bottle.

Small Saddlesack (I put an Irish strap around it to keep it off the tire on 
my commute this morning)
Acorn Handlebar bag

A few more from the neighborhood and trails:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/with/9066100361/

Happy riding, shoji

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[RBW] Re: New-to-me Hunqapillar (drop-bar mountain bike/commuter rig)

[Deacon Patrick]

Beautiful! Enjoy the ride!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:06:27 AM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> What a great Fathers' Day weekend-- I got to build up my new-to-me 
> Hunqapillar. Many parts are from RBW Listers-- thanks so much for the 
> parts, ideas, suggestions.
>
> Here it is before its maiden voyage. A few adjustments for fit, but it was 
> pretty good out of the repair stand.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/9066100361/
>
>
> Build: 
> 48 cm, Waterford build
> Phil Wood Rivy 26" wheels
> Schwalbe Big Ben 2.15" (measure 50mm and 52mm mounted)-- cushy, but [dare 
> I say] pretty heavy. I'm used to Jack Brown Greens on my Commuter 
> CrossCheck, so the Big Bens are a very different tire. No problems running 
> over things and hopping curbs; I'm a kid again on a BMX.
>
> 48 cm Nitto Noodle
> 1x7 drive train (I couldn't get the crank+bottom bracket to work as a 
> triple-- I'll need to get longer bb)
> VP Thin Gripsters-- I like these much better than the GripKings on my 
> CrossCheck
>
> King Cage IRIS-- works great with stainless steel Klean Kanteen bottle.
>
> Small Saddlesack (I put an Irish strap around it to keep it off the tire 
> on my commute this morning)
> Acorn Handlebar bag
>
> A few more from the neighborhood and trails:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/with/9066100361/
>
> Happy riding, shoji
>

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Re: [RBW] Ram + Parigi Roubaix + Stan's: report

[Ron Mc]

put another 30 miles on my Parigi Strada combo yesterday and am totally 
spoiled by the ride of these wonderful tires.  However, now that they have 
us hooked, sale is over - prices everywhere are back to Retail on these.  

On Monday, June 10, 2013 9:32:53 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> fair enough, and they look very cool, also.  
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2013 9:24:26 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Ron, Thanks. I like the Retrofrictions very much; they are my ideal 
>> shifters and far better IMO than the Campys.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, you might want to look at the NOS Triomphe shifters Boulder is 
>>> selling for $22.  They're striking and work well.  
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 10, 2013 8:46:57 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

 More on indexing: If I find a pair of Simplex retrofrictions for very 
 cheap, I'll probably abandon the "DA Group" fetish and go back to friction.

 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:46 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

> # flats/100 miles: it can vary with my routes; In a good week, none or 
> perhaps just one. In a bad week with the Parigi Roubaix before Stan's, 
> seven or more.
>
> I went through ~100 patches between Jan 1 and mid May of this year, 
> though this usage included a spate of flats due to a thorn or thorns 
> hidden 
> in one of the P-R's carcase for a total of some 20 patches applied over 
> the 
> course of a weekend. I recently bought 2 boxes of 100, with the hope that 
> they'll last me a couple of years.
>
> Indexing: I don't think that the shifters or derailleurs are worn; 
> they feel "tight" to me and they work well enough. The reason for 
> sticking 
> to it is pure aesthetics or vanity or what have you: I got a 7400 rd and 
> matching dt shifters and dammit, I want them to work and, perhaps, 
> eventually to have an all Dura Ace 7400 group.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Scott Henry  wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>> Sorry for the late reply, but I try not to do much computing on the 
>> weekends.
>>
>> Just two comments, one, how many flats do you normally get in 100 
>> miles?   Actually, I use Stan's on a few of my bikes and love it.   
>> Haven't 
>> had any problems yet.  At all.Secondly, I can understand your issues 
>> with your DuraAce setup.  Stick with it.  But jeez, if you haven't used 
>> index in 20+ years, why would you stick with the same indexing that's 
>> 20+ 
>> years worn?
>>
>> Enjoy the ride.
>> Scott
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Scott Henry
>> Dayton, OH
>>
>> FTM-PTB
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:49 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I've been riding the Ram/Parigi Roubaix and ya know what? No 
>>> flats in a hundred miles!
>>>
>>> In other news: the Ram feels really nice -- as good as my customs. I 
>>> continue to tweak the saddle-bar-height relationship -- we're looking 
>>> at 
>>> about 1" difference right now, and that could decrease -- but with our 
>>> warm 
>>> weather winds I've been riding recently 8 miles at a stretch into 
>>> headwinds 
>>> and it feels quite good. I use no gloves, but the very sensitive heel 
>>> of my 
>>> left hand is surprisingly comfortable. I may have to raise the brake 
>>> bodies 
>>> a wee bit on the bar's curve.
>>>
>>> I think I've got the saddle where it needs to be -- perhaps a wee 
>>> bit too high, but the position is the wonderful (and on some bikes, 
>>> elusive) perfect spot where you feel you are perfectly far behind the 
>>> bb so 
>>> that there is no awkwardness  either while spinning fast or while 
>>> torquing 
>>> hard to gain momentum. 
>>>
>>> The 7-speed Dura Ace system, in indexed mode, requires an annoying 
>>> fine tune between over- and under-shifting: reminds me why I've not 
>>> used 
>>> indexing for 20+ years until now -- hell, even derailleurs are newish. 
>>> I 
>>> use it now because, dammit, I have a 7400 indexing system and it *will* 
>>> work for me. There is a very mild rattle once a crank rotation that 
>>> must 
>>> come from the rear derailleur because it's not from the front; but it's 
>>> mild enough that I attribute it to default derailleur behavior and not 
>>> the 
>>> indexing.
>>>
>>> I find that, unladen, the Ram cruises nicely in the 74" gear and 
>>> that the 70" gear feels "light", proof to me of pedaling efficiency, 
>>> something I don't find with every bike. With some bikes, ~75" feels 
>>> overgeared. I assume this has to do with very many things, but perhaps 
>>> among them are the tires and the fit/position. 
>>>
>>> Funny, I tend to do most of my riding in the 16-17-18 range: 74", 
>>> 70", and 66", with a drop to 60" for st

Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

[Ron Mc]

New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle.  that's the same price as 
a Select Grade B17, etc.  Looks like the wrong end of the market to me.  

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[RBW] The last minute bike switcheroo

[Addison Wilhite]

I am leaving this morning on a bike tour from Crescent City, CA down
to...wherever we decide to stop.

Had the new Gunnar Sport all rigged and went for a test ride and realized
the rear wheel needed to be sturdier even though I was in a pretty light
touring mode as far as load.  Just felt a bit too much flex.  That was
yesterday and did the quick switch back to the tried and true Riv
Allrounder.  Even got to mount the front rack which I had been putting off.


It's a bit sad because the Gunnar road very well with the load.  Looks like
I need a bit tougher wheelset if I tour with it though.

Here is the before and after of it:

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/06/what-difference-day-makes.html

Cheers,

-- 
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[RBW] Re: The last minute bike switcheroo

[BSWP]

Reminds me of my ride last month... I got the rear rack mounted and the 
Noodles taped just the night  before leaving... and made adjustments the 
first couple days as things settled in.

You'll find great sandwiches and picnic benches in Elk, the Deli is open at 
Stewart's Point, and the best breakfast (eggs and lox on focaccia) and 
coffee in Jenner, at the small cafe on the river side just past the post 
office. The coffee shop in anchor Bay is also good, very very very mellow.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:32:37 AM UTC-7, Addison wrote:
>
> I am leaving this morning on a bike tour from Crescent City, CA down 
> to...wherever we decide to stop.
>
> Had the new Gunnar Sport all rigged and went for a test ride and realized 
> the rear wheel needed to be sturdier even though I was in a pretty light 
> touring mode as far as load.  Just felt a bit too much flex.  That was 
> yesterday and did the quick switch back to the tried and true Riv 
> Allrounder.  Even got to mount the front rack which I had been putting off. 
>  
>
> It's a bit sad because the Gunnar road very well with the load.  Looks 
> like I need a bit tougher wheelset if I tour with it though.
>
> Here is the before and after of it:
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/06/what-difference-day-makes.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> -- 
> Addison
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com
>  

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[RBW] Courage Classic 2013

[Benedikt]

I'll be riding the Courage Classic again this year. It's a 178 mile, 3 day 
ride though 3 mountain passes in beautiful Cascades. It was created as a 
fundraising ride to support the Rotary Endowment for the Intervention and 
Prevention of Child Abuse and Neglect. 

If anyone wants to support a fellow Rivendell rider on his 38 pound Sam 
Hillborne in the sea of carbon you can make a donation here - 
http://www.courageclassic.kintera.org/Brian_Pickart

Anything helps! All your donation dollars will go to the kids. All support 
for the riders is done by volunteers.

- Brian in Seattle.



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Re: [RBW] The last minute bike switcheroo

[cyclotourist]

Perfect time of year to be out and about on a bike!

Could you have swapped wheelsets from the Riv to the Gunnar?

Cheers,
David



On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Addison Wilhite
wrote:

> I am leaving this morning on a bike tour from Crescent City, CA down
> to...wherever we decide to stop.
>
> Had the new Gunnar Sport all rigged and went for a test ride and realized
> the rear wheel needed to be sturdier even though I was in a pretty light
> touring mode as far as load.  Just felt a bit too much flex.  That was
> yesterday and did the quick switch back to the tried and true Riv
> Allrounder.  Even got to mount the front rack which I had been putting off.
>
>
> It's a bit sad because the Gunnar road very well with the load.  Looks
> like I need a bit tougher wheelset if I tour with it though.
>
> Here is the before and after of it:
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/06/what-difference-day-makes.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Addison
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com
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[RBW] Re: New-to-me Hunqapillar (drop-bar mountain bike/commuter rig)

[Ginz]

Fantastic wheel/tire combo!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rich build 559/26 inch wheel

[Colin Cummings]

I'd like to take these.  You don't happen to need a set of SS 650b wheels,
do you?

Cheers,

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, TX


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM, RonLau  wrote:

> It is Velocity Synergy, 23mm wide outside to outside.
>
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:47:01 AM UTC-7, colinthehippie wrote:
>>
>> What's the rim width?
>>
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:06:30 PM UTC-5, RonLau wrote:
>>>
>>> To all,
>>>
>>> Hello, moved recently and have this hanging around for far too long.
>>>  Hope it works for one of you.
>>>
>>> I am selling the following wheel.
>>>
>>> 26 inches/559, with older 9s XT hub (steel axle), 32 spokes, brass
>>> nipples with Synergy rim.
>>>
>>> Rich build this a few years ago for my wife bike but now I gave her my
>>> WI wheels to use.
>>>
>>> $120 shipped to lower 48 states.  $100 local pick up.
>>>
>>> If you are using 8s cassette, I can include a good lightly used one.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ron
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rich build 559/26 inch wheel

[Colin Cummings]

Know what, I thought it was a set.  Never mind.

Cheers,

Colin Cummings
Amarillo, TX


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:02 AM, RonLau  wrote:

> It is Velocity Synergy, 23mm wide outside to outside.
>
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:47:01 AM UTC-7, colinthehippie wrote:
>>
>> What's the rim width?
>>
>> On Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:06:30 PM UTC-5, RonLau wrote:
>>>
>>> To all,
>>>
>>> Hello, moved recently and have this hanging around for far too long.
>>>  Hope it works for one of you.
>>>
>>> I am selling the following wheel.
>>>
>>> 26 inches/559, with older 9s XT hub (steel axle), 32 spokes, brass
>>> nipples with Synergy rim.
>>>
>>> Rich build this a few years ago for my wife bike but now I gave her my
>>> WI wheels to use.
>>>
>>> $120 shipped to lower 48 states.  $100 local pick up.
>>>
>>> If you are using 8s cassette, I can include a good lightly used one.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ron
>>>
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[RBW] Re: The last minute bike switcheroo

[Mike Schiller]

I've done most of that tour from McKinleyville to the SF Airport .  One of 
the best in the US.  Lot of nice microbreweries along the way too.  I'd 
love to do it again.
Maybe you add some low riders and front panniers?  That would take some of 
the load off the rear wheel.

Have a great time.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.


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[RBW] Post Your Hunqapillar Pics Here

[Deacon Patrick]

http://www.flickr.com/groups/hunqapillar/pool

I know I scoured the internet looking for pics of the Hunqapillar before I 
bought it, to see various configurations, and then to drive myself nuts with as 
I waited for it to arrive after I ordered it. This group is linked to on 
Rivendell's Hunqapillar site now, making such gapping much easier for others.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: Wool Clothing

[Zack]

$5 off everything.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wool Clothing

[cyclotourist]

Zack, I'd like the striped if it's an XL or a loose fitting L. Thin wool?

Cheers,
David



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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wool Clothing

[cyclotourist]

Yeah, reply to list, sorry...

Cheers,
David



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> Zack, I'd like the striped if it's an XL or a loose fitting L. Thin wool?
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
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[RBW] Cracked XD Crank Arm ..... And the Earth Didn't Stop Rotating :)

[Garth]

  I noticed this strange squiggly line coming from the drive side pedal 
hole today, while may miles from home !   Oh well I thought, nothing to do 
really, if it breaks it breaks  if not not. It didn't. When I got home 
I removed the pedal to check if i could see the crack in the threads, but 
could not. So I sanded off the anodizing at the spot until I could see it 
no more. I hopped back on the bike and pushed down with all my weight on 
the pedal, and lo and behold, the crack line reappeared .  Oyil well !   
Funny thing is, it's not such a big deal !  I have another bike to ride and 
I'll order another crank. Pretty simple . These are the 152mm XD's, which 
no one here likely uses anyway. They are made of a slightly different mold 
than the longer ones, but still XD's as labeled . 

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Re: [RBW] Cracked XD Crank Arm ..... And the Earth Didn't Stop Rotating :)

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 14:41 -0700, Garth wrote:
>   I noticed this strange squiggly line coming from the drive side
> pedal hole today, while may miles from home !   Oh well I thought,
> nothing to do really, if it breaks it breaks  if not not. It
> didn't. When I got home I removed the pedal to check if i could see
> the crack in the threads, but could not. So I sanded off the anodizing
> at the spot until I could see it no more. I hopped back on the bike
> and pushed down with all my weight on the pedal, and lo and behold,
> the crack line reappeared .  Oyil well !   Funny thing is, it's not
> such a big deal !  I have another bike to ride and I'll order another
> crank. Pretty simple . These are the 152mm XD's, which no one here
> likely uses anyway. They are made of a slightly different mold than
> the longer ones, but still XD's as labeled 

Of course, if it /had/ broken when you were riding, it would have turned
into a whole lot of bigger deal.  Happened to me four times.



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[RBW] WTB: 48" Hunqapillar Frame or Complete

[Johnny Alien]

This is probably a longshot but I thought I would give it a shot.  Anyone 
looking to unload an 48" Hunqapillar?

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 48" Hunqapillar Frame or Complete

[Deacon Patrick]

I presume you mean 48 cm? Unless you're looking for a really tall Hunqa. 
Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> looking to unload an 48" Hunqapillar?

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Re: [RBW] Your method of going around brake levers with cloth bar tape?

[Rex Kerr]

Thanks, and good luck [assuming you haven't started yet!] :-)


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> Dang Rex...I'd say that's pretty clean! I'm going to tackle this today or
> tomorrow.
>
> I DID have a bit of a scary episode with my shellac. I wanted to check how
> much I had and give it a stir, and when I barely applied pressure to the
> lid with my opener it exploded off the can with a huge BOOM! I'm very lucky
> I had my hand over the can to stop it, as my face was directly over the
> can. It hit my palm with enough force to hurt and leave a mark. I've gone
> through maybe 6-7 small cans of Zinzer over the last 5 years and never had
> one do that. It's always stored in a cabinet in the house to avoid the
> crazy temp swings in the garage. Not sure why/how this one had built up so
> much internal pressure, but I'm going to treat all future cans as volatile.
> Safety first kids.
>
>
> On Friday, June 14, 2013 4:52:18 PM UTC-6, Rex Kerr wrote:
>>
>> I have the same basic setup... non aero levers on mustache bars.  The
>> outcome of my wrapping might not be as clean as you'd like, but I used two
>> cheaters:
>>
>> http://imgur.com/a/1zB7t
>>
>> I've gone under the clamp before as well, so I can say that does work,
>> but I wasn't that careful this time.
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[RBW] Re: Quickest bar tape goo removal chemical?

[George Schick]

Finish Line citrus degreaser/solvent.  Smells good, works great, and you 
won't have to worry quite as much about the toxicity of the chemical.

Historical footnote:  In the questionably good-old-days I used to use a 
chemical called trichloroethelyne, sold by the company who manufactured it 
under the name of Carbo-sol.  It was also commonly known by those who 
worked in the petrochemical industry as well as the business sectors who 
were the major users of it (printing, etc.) as simply "trike."  It worked 
much, much faster than anything I've ever seen since and was the default 
go-to product for removing the old glue from tubular tire rims.  'Course, 
it contained fluorocarbons, which it the main reason it was discontinued in 
the last decade, plus it was hazardous to use - the molecule chain was 
small enough to be absorbed into the skin easily where it went directly to 
the central nervous system.  Great stuff!


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> Anything just rips it right offa there?
>  
> I am cleaning off a Noodle.
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Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

[Joe Bernard]

Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more 
accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the 
market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but 
without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

> New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle.  that's the same price 
> as a Select Grade B17, etc.  Looks like the wrong end of the market to me.  
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[RBW] Re: Quickest bar tape goo removal chemical?

[Paul]

WD40 and some soft steel wool has worked for me in the past. Seems to clean 
most things off metal pretty well.

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> Anything just rips it right offa there?
>  
> I am cleaning off a Noodle.
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[RBW] FS: 700c Wheelset: Phil Wood / Campagnolo Omega 19 / Wheelsmith DB

[ColonelJLloyd]

Super strong and very lightweight wheelset. The anodizing is mostly worn 
off of the brake tracks, but the rims have loads of life left. Wheels are 
true and round with proper tension. The hubs are super smooth with no play. 
These are excellent wheels. No skewers. 

   - 36h Phil Wood 1st Gen hubs (120/100 spacing)
   - Standard English threading (1.37" x 24 tpi)
   - 700c Campagnolo Omega 19 hard anodized rims
   - Wheelsmith double butted stainless steel spokes
   - Chromed brass nipples
   - Velox rim tape
   
*$235 shipped*. If west of the Mississippi, please add $10 for extra 
postage. These will be packed in a supremely safe, proper wheel box and 
sent via FedEx. 

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[RBW] Re: Thanks for the advice and warm welcome.

[Rob Boss]

You're welcome. I am new too. 

I hope to join in on this quest to find army 
surplusand motorbikes etc.

On Friday, 31 May 2013 01:33:49 UTC+1, Curtis wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> What a great group of bike riders this forum has. Thank you for the advice 
> on the choice of tires for the AHH.  Not sure which was I will go right 
> now, but am having fun looking at all of the tires.  Once the bike is put 
> together I will post pictures.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Curtis
>
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[RBW] FS: Gilles Berthoud GB999 Small Rack Top Bag (Black) $80 shipped

[ColonelJLloyd]

Berthoud 
GB999.
 
One of the highest quality bags available in excellent condition. *$80 
shipped* in the CONUS. PayPal (add 3% or use personal/gift option), money 
order or personal check accepted. Please email if interested. 

















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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud GB 2586 Handlebar bag Grey

[Sean Cleary]

Berthoud decaleur just sold – GB 2586 and installed Velo Orange decaleur 
are now available combined for $260. Includes shipping to continental U.S. 

Heckuva deal!

On Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:54:34 AM UTC-5, Sean Cleary wrote:
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> This is the best bag I've owned but the Hilsen it resides on is either 
> going up for sale or destined for an expensive steer position change, 
> neither suits the bag. It's Berthoud model GB 2586 in excellent, used 
> condition, as in barely used: $300 shipped (48 states). Includes installed 
> Velo Orange decauler for 1-inch threaded (Nitto, etc.) stems. Also 
> available is a Berthoud Decaleur - horizontal 91 shorter extension. I'll 
> sell that alone for $50 shipped (48 states). Contact me off-line please. 
> Thanks.
>
> With luck, photos appear here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66219337@N06/
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[RBW] Cracked Ramboullet

[chris]

I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain stay 
broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram new 
in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and spoke 
to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me today 
regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local builder.  
Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on frames.

Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved the 
Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.

Chris
San Jose

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Riv Rambouillet 58cm frameset (any color other than orange!)

[Stmike]

I have a green one that I'm listing for sale.  Like new, only rode it about 
250 miles.  Email me.

On Friday, April 26, 2013 12:56:12 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Eh, the orange is nice, but I prefer the blue and green, too. 
>
> On Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:05:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> No Orange! What the heck, that's one of the best of all colors :-)
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:16:00 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey there! I'm looking for a 58cm Rambouillet in any color other than 
>>> orange. Not picky on paint condition but nothing with dings/dents. 
>>> Otherwise let's make a deal!! Thanks!! 
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Rambouillet

[Stmike]

Selling my as new Rivendell Rambouillet 58 cm bicycle. It has less than 250 
miles on it and is in perfect condition. It is the beautiful forest green 
color with white accents. It is built with the following componentry:
Brooks saddle B.17 Steel/Honey
Ultegra STI
Ultegra rear derailer
Ultegra 9 speed cassette
Nitto seat post, handlebars, bottle cage
and I'll throw in a Nigel Smythe tweed handlebar bag (pictured).
Let me know if you'd like specific photos.
$1500.



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[RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

[oren]

i will keep posted and as the camping location gets set in stone i will 
help with possible ride ideas. i know the county well and i may be able to 
offer great on-road/ off-road suggestions.

On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53:02 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Damn Andy and his rumbling shenanigans now there needs to be a rumble in 
> Cal.
>
> Slight talks on the other threads. Like to clean things and get things 
> semi more organized. 
> Lets make this happen I'm off for the summer and I wouldn't mind driving 
> down somewhere in the middle.
>
> Any ideas?
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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Drive side rear dropout area is probably the most common area of failure of 
any bicycle frame that wasn't crashed or otherwise damaged.  Lots of 
torques and stresses right there.  

Certainly isn't an epidemic with the Rambouillet or Rivendells in general.  

I'm sure they will be fair with you on this issue. Sorry to hear that 
you'll be off the bike for a bit.

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, chris wrote:
>
> I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain stay 
> broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram new 
> in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and spoke 
> to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me today 
> regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local builder.  
> Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on frames.
>
> Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved 
> the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.
>
> Chris
> San Jose
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 48" Hunqapillar Frame or Complete

[Johnny Alien]

Uggghhh.yes. It's been a long day.

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Re: [RBW] Cracked XD Crank Arm ..... And the Earth Didn't Stop Rotating :)

[Peter Morgano]

Glad you made it home ok. I half expected you to say a quill stem adaptor
would have helped, haha.


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On Mon, 2013-06-17 at 14:41 -0700, Garth wrote:
> >   I noticed this strange squiggly line coming from the drive side
> > pedal hole today, while may miles from home !   Oh well I thought,
> > nothing to do really, if it breaks it breaks  if not not. It
> > didn't. When I got home I removed the pedal to check if i could see
> > the crack in the threads, but could not. So I sanded off the anodizing
> > at the spot until I could see it no more. I hopped back on the bike
> > and pushed down with all my weight on the pedal, and lo and behold,
> > the crack line reappeared .  Oyil well !   Funny thing is, it's not
> > such a big deal !  I have another bike to ride and I'll order another
> > crank. Pretty simple . These are the 152mm XD's, which no one here
> > likely uses anyway. They are made of a slightly different mold than
> > the longer ones, but still XD's as labeled
>
> Of course, if it /had/ broken when you were riding, it would have turned
> into a whole lot of bigger deal.  Happened to me four times.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: New-to-me Hunqapillar (drop-bar mountain bike/commuter rig)

[Takashi]

Looks great! Enjoy!

Takashi


2013年6月18日火曜日 0時06分27秒 UTC+9 Shoji Takahashi:
>
> Hi All,
> What a great Fathers' Day weekend-- I got to build up my new-to-me 
> Hunqapillar. Many parts are from RBW Listers-- thanks so much for the 
> parts, ideas, suggestions.
>
> Here it is before its maiden voyage. A few adjustments for fit, but it was 
> pretty good out of the repair stand.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/9066100361/
>
>
> Build: 
> 48 cm, Waterford build
> Phil Wood Rivy 26" wheels
> Schwalbe Big Ben 2.15" (measure 50mm and 52mm mounted)-- cushy, but [dare 
> I say] pretty heavy. I'm used to Jack Brown Greens on my Commuter 
> CrossCheck, so the Big Bens are a very different tire. No problems running 
> over things and hopping curbs; I'm a kid again on a BMX.
>
> 48 cm Nitto Noodle
> 1x7 drive train (I couldn't get the crank+bottom bracket to work as a 
> triple-- I'll need to get longer bb)
> VP Thin Gripsters-- I like these much better than the GripKings on my 
> CrossCheck
>
> King Cage IRIS-- works great with stainless steel Klean Kanteen bottle.
>
> Small Saddlesack (I put an Irish strap around it to keep it off the tire 
> on my commute this morning)
> Acorn Handlebar bag
>
> A few more from the neighborhood and trails:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/with/9066100361/
>
> Happy riding, shoji
>

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[RBW] New to Albas after drops/staches...did this happen to you?

[Michael]

Sitting totally upright on Albas with my saddle in the ususal KOPS position 
that I had with 'staches and drops, I feel like my saddle has moved 
forward, but it hasn't (I checked).
Feels like I am out in front of the pedals now when pedaling -  not 
directly over them like I felt with the low drops position with KOPS. I 
guess when you move your weight around to a different position a lot 
changes.
 
Nothing bad, I'll just move the saddle back if I feel the need. But for now 
keeping the saddle the same as long as nothing hurts.
Just a curious thing.
 
Did you feel this when you switched to totally upright after being used to 
a low drops position?
 
I am enjoying the bolt upright position a lot. Nice views. No neck/hand 
issues either so far. I hope it will make it more comfy to wear layers in 
the winter.
With drops, clothes get scrunched between my belly and thighs. Upright 
really opens up the torso. Its a nice feeling.
 
 
 
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

[Michael Hechmer]

Ouch.  Sorry to hear about your problem.  I have a 2004. Absolutely no 
problem with the frame at all.  Today I spied a major crack in the original 
Honjo rear fender.

Michael

On Monday, June 17, 2013 11:09:57 AM UTC-4, chris wrote:
>
> I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain stay 
> broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram new 
> in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and spoke 
> to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me today 
> regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local builder.  
> Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on frames.
>
> Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved 
> the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.
>
> Chris
> San Jose
>

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[RBW] FS: Carradice Barley Saddlebag-SQR Rack

[Kellie Stapleton]

Almost new, barely used, in excellent condition a Carradice Barley 
Saddlebag (green with honey straps) and SQR rack (attaches to seat post, 
quick release). Love it but not big enough for all I have to carry to work 
when commuting. Will sell separately. Barley lists for $109, SQR is $66 at 
Wallbike. Asking $90 for Barley and $50 for rack, plus shipping unless we 
can rendezvous.

Contact: Kellie @:  kl...@me.com

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Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

[Robert F. Harrison]

Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is
going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I
would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive.

"Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new
Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for
sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering
a total of 1,200 pieces:
-1,000 C17 Gents Saddles
-200 C17s Ladies Saddles"

http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/saddles/touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+C17+Ltd+Edition/

In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up) I've
kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest
option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-)

Aloha,

Bob



On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more
> accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the
> market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but
> without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle.  that's the same price
>> as a Select Grade B17, etc.  Looks like the wrong end of the market to me.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New-to-me Hunqapillar (drop-bar mountain bike/commuter rig)

[Tim Tetrault]

Awesome, awesome. You could nickname that wheelset/tire combo NEV-R-BREAK.

On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:06:27 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> What a great Fathers' Day weekend-- I got to build up my new-to-me 
> Hunqapillar. Many parts are from RBW Listers-- thanks so much for the 
> parts, ideas, suggestions.
>
> Here it is before its maiden voyage. A few adjustments for fit, but it was 
> pretty good out of the repair stand.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/9066100361/
>
>
> Build: 
> 48 cm, Waterford build
> Phil Wood Rivy 26" wheels
> Schwalbe Big Ben 2.15" (measure 50mm and 52mm mounted)-- cushy, but [dare 
> I say] pretty heavy. I'm used to Jack Brown Greens on my Commuter 
> CrossCheck, so the Big Bens are a very different tire. No problems running 
> over things and hopping curbs; I'm a kid again on a BMX.
>
> 48 cm Nitto Noodle
> 1x7 drive train (I couldn't get the crank+bottom bracket to work as a 
> triple-- I'll need to get longer bb)
> VP Thin Gripsters-- I like these much better than the GripKings on my 
> CrossCheck
>
> King Cage IRIS-- works great with stainless steel Klean Kanteen bottle.
>
> Small Saddlesack (I put an Irish strap around it to keep it off the tire 
> on my commute this morning)
> Acorn Handlebar bag
>
> A few more from the neighborhood and trails:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/stakx/with/9066100361/
>
> Happy riding, shoji
>

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Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

[Joe Bernard]

Hmm, good point. Although calling 1000 non-leather Brooks saddles "limited" 
is pushing the concept, in my opinion. I'm not at all convinced there's 
much of a market for one.
 
Joe "I've been wrong before" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:56:28 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:

> Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is 
> going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I 
> would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive. 
>
> "Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new 
> Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for 
> sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering 
> a total of 1,200 pieces:
> -1,000 C17 Gents Saddles
> -200 C17s Ladies Saddles"
>
>
> http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/saddles/touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+C17+Ltd+Edition/
>
> In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up) I've 
> kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest 
> option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-)
>
> Aloha, 
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more 
>> accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the 
>> market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but 
>> without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion.
>>  
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>>> New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle.  that's the same price 
>>> as a Select Grade B17, etc.  Looks like the wrong end of the market to me.  
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

[Matthew J]

There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of 
course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them.  The 
majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing 
to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make.

And yes, many currently available race saddles are synthetic.  They are 
also for the most part gawsh forsaken torture devices.

On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:08:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hmm, good point. Although calling 1000 non-leather Brooks saddles 
> "limited" is pushing the concept, in my opinion. I'm not at all convinced 
> there's much of a market for one.
>  
> Joe "I've been wrong before" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:56:28 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
>
>> Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is 
>> going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I 
>> would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive. 
>>
>> "Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new 
>> Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for 
>> sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering 
>> a total of 1,200 pieces:
>> -1,000 C17 Gents Saddles
>> -200 C17s Ladies Saddles"
>>
>>
>> http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/saddles/touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+C17+Ltd+Edition/
>>
>> In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up) I've 
>> kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest 
>> option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-)
>>
>> Aloha, 
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more 
>>> accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think the 
>>> market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but 
>>> without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion.
>>>  
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
 New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle.  that's the same 
 price as a Select Grade B17, etc.  Looks like the wrong end of the market 
 to me.  

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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

[Joe Bernard]

>From rivbike.com:
 
Our No Warranty Frame Warranty

It may seem odd for a company that makes such reliable frames to not have a 
standard instant freebie replacement - warranty, but hold on. Just because 
something that's defective is likely to break, doesn't mean anything that 
breaks is defective. Even superbly designed, artfully made steel bikes 
ridden according to design intent can break. We know that, and go to great 
lengths to prevent it. 

We're skilled, experienced non-defective designers. We use top-notch, 
proven, non-defective materials. Within the few but real constraints 
pricing imposes, we're selective about who builds our frames. When it comes 
to caring about weight and shooting for lightness, we're super 
conservative. It's not far off the mark to say we don't care about weight, 
and it's absolutely true that we never compromise a frame to make it 
lighter. A good frame weighs what it ought to weigh.

After all that, sometimes a frame breaks, and that's no more proof of a 
defect than a broken window is proof of defective glass. It is impossible 
to tell the history of the frame. It may be impossible for even its owner 
to know it. Sometimes even good things break, and anybody, or any company 
who doesn't acknowledge that is not being honest.

All that said, broken frames are rare. Crash damage, and running into 
garages with bikes on the roof rack are way, way more common. Tell us your 
frame's story. We may fix it for nothing, but you pay the freight. Or we 
may charge a fee for the fix. It is at our discretion, but we're not your 
enemy, and you are our friend. We keep that in mind, always.

The great thing about steel frames is they can be fixed. In many cases, the 
fixed frame can be reinforced so that it's stronger than the original. You 
want a fresh start, but a fresh start with a beefed up frame can be even 
better. A thicker tube. An extra tube. Whatever it takes, we can do it. In 
almost all cases, a fixed frame needs new paint. We'll work with our local 
painter and get it to you at no profit. A repair may cost nothing or nine 
hundred dollars. It all depends.

In any case, we feel beholden to original owners only. No other warranty 
(or non-warranty) is implied, so don't go inferring any. But no matter how 
you came upon your frame, we are happy to advise you on how to get your 
frame repaired at a reasonable cost. We want your bike back in action, too. 
Fair enough?
 
On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, chris wrote:

> I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain stay 
> broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram new 
> in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and spoke 
> to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me today 
> regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local builder.  
> Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on frames.
>
> Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved 
> the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.
>
> Chris
> San Jose
>

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Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, you've gone out of your way to impress upon me your vegan ways, and 
the error of mine. I'm not interested in the politics of leather Brooks 
saddles, but thanks for playing.

On Monday, June 17, 2013 6:27:33 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

> There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of 
> course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them.  The 
> majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing 
> to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make.
>
> And yes, many currently available race saddles are synthetic.  They are 
> also for the most part gawsh forsaken torture devices.
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:08:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, good point. Although calling 1000 non-leather Brooks saddles 
>> "limited" is pushing the concept, in my opinion. I'm not at all convinced 
>> there's much of a market for one.
>>  
>> Joe "I've been wrong before" Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:56:28 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
>>
>>> Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is 
>>> going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I 
>>> would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive. 
>>>
>>> "Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new 
>>> Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for 
>>> sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering 
>>> a total of 1,200 pieces:
>>> -1,000 C17 Gents Saddles
>>> -200 C17s Ladies Saddles"
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.brooksengland.com/catalogue-and-shop/saddles/touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+C17+Ltd+Edition/
>>>
>>> In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up) I've 
>>> kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest 
>>> option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-)
>>>
>>> Aloha, 
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more 
 accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think 
 the 
 market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but 
 without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:

> New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle.  that's the same 
> price as a Select Grade B17, etc.  Looks like the wrong end of the market 
> to me.  
>
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>>> statrix.com
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Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

[Peter Morgano]

I worked in a Vegan restaurant for a long time (a lot of fixed gear bikes)
and the owner made it a point not to make the non-vegans feel like they
were baby killing satan worshippers. I would imagine the smart people at
Brooks would do the same and not market this as a "this saddle will make
you sleep better at night" kind of thing. I see nowhere on the site where
Brooks is advertising this as a Vegan saddle.  Is some part of the Cambium
made in china? Did some child worker slave to make it? Maybe that should be
more important.


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Yes, you've gone out of your way to impress upon me your vegan ways, and
> the error of mine. I'm not interested in the politics of leather Brooks
> saddles, but thanks for playing.
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 6:27:33 PM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
>> There are a growing number of prosperous vegans in the UK, US, EU, and of
>> course India, who like nice things without dead animals in them.  The
>> majority is not yet enlightened, but we are growing and we are very willing
>> to spend our money on products that don't need to kill an animal to make.
>>
>> And yes, many currently available race saddles are synthetic.  They are
>> also for the most part gawsh forsaken torture devices.
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:08:57 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm, good point. Although calling 1000 non-leather Brooks saddles
>>> "limited" is pushing the concept, in my opinion. I'm not at all convinced
>>> there's much of a market for one.
>>>
>>> Joe "I've been wrong before" Bernard
>>> Vallejo, CA.
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 5:56:28 PM UTC-7, Statrixbob wrote:
>>>
 Actually my reading of the letter is that their first production run is
 going to be a limited edition at 145 quid. These will all be numbered. I
 would suspect that sales after the limited edition will be less expensive.

 "Now, on Monday 17th June, a specially dedicated website for the new
 Cambium Saddles goes live and an initial limited edition is available for
 sale with each saddle's number etched into its nose rivet. We are offering
 a total of 1,200 pieces:
 -1,000 C17 Gents Saddles
 -200 C17s Ladies Saddles"

 http://www.brooksengland.com/**catalogue-and-shop/saddles/**
 touring+%26+trekking/Cambium+**C17+Ltd+Edition/

 In the surveys I've filled out as one of the first 200 (it went up)
 I've kept saying I'd pay under $125 (or was it $135) which was the lowest
 option. Not that they'll listen to me. :-)

 Aloha,

 Bob



 On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hmm. I assumed this would be an attempt to make a Brooks saddle more
> accessible to the masses, both in construction and price. I don't think 
> the
> market is hollering for a Brooks just as pricey as the leather ones, but
> without the leather. An odd decision, in my opinion.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> New Brooks mail today - 145 quid for this saddle.  that's the same
>> price as a Select Grade B17, etc.  Looks like the wrong end of the market
>> to me.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

[Steve Palincsar]

Wouldn't it be nice to discuss this saddle on the basis of its merits
rather than all this /politics/?



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Re: [RBW] Brooks Cambium C-17 First Look

[Peter Morgano]

Its too narrow for my fat ass. If they make a wide one in a year or two I
will give it a look. Should come in somewhat cheaper than the standard
offerings considering its made of rubber and cotton.


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> Wouldn't it be nice to discuss this saddle on the basis of its merits
> rather than all this /politics/?
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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

[dougP]

Chris:

Sorry to hear about the breakage.  That had to have ruined an otherwise 
good ride.  Based on the "no warranty frame warranty" my guess is you will 
be treated fairly and the repaired frame will be at least as good as new.  
Whatever they charge, you will have the piece of mind that the repair was 
properly done.  

dougP

On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, chris wrote:
>
> I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain stay 
> broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram new 
> in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and spoke 
> to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me today 
> regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local builder.  
> Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on frames.
>
> Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved 
> the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.
>
> Chris
> San Jose
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[RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

[dougP]

Oren:

That's great to hear.  Local knowledge trumps internet info every time.  I 
can live wherever we decide to land.  The inland campground at El Chorro 
sounded like better amenities but was remote while the beach one at Morro 
Strand lacked hot showers but was close to Morro Bay.  People should 
probably express a preference so we can settle that question.  

dougP

On Monday, June 17, 2013 3:35:20 PM UTC-7, oren wrote:
>
> i will keep posted and as the camping location gets set in stone i will 
> help with possible ride ideas. i know the county well and i may be able to 
> offer great on-road/ off-road suggestions.
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53:02 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> Damn Andy and his rumbling shenanigans now there needs to be a rumble in 
>> Cal.
>>
>> Slight talks on the other threads. Like to clean things and get things 
>> semi more organized. 
>> Lets make this happen I'm off for the summer and I wouldn't mind driving 
>> down somewhere in the middle.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cracked Ramboullet

[BSWP]

I saw your bike when you brought it in, that crack looked like what you 
might see on one of those belt-driven bikes, with the slot for the belt to 
slip through. ;-)

But from my quick look, the grain on the crack looked very fine, no large 
crystals or strange plastic yield. I bet it's very easy to repair, and 
probably with a stouter dropout than came originally.

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:09:57 AM UTC-7, chris wrote:
>
> I was on a ride last Saturday in the Gold Country in CA and the chain stay 
> broke through on the drive side at the rear dropout. I bought the Ram new 
> in 2003. Fortunately no injury. I stopped at Riv on my way home and spoke 
> to Scott who told me to leave the bike and Kevin would get back to me today 
> regarding repair which would involve sending the bike to a local builder.  
> Scott mentioned that Riv now beefs up the rear dropout area on frames.
>
> Has anyone had a similar experience with their Riv.?  I've always loved 
> the Ram and it appears fixable. Not sure if there is any type of warranty.
>
> Chris
> San Jose
>

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[RBW] Post Your Hunqapillar Pics Here

[Christian]

I've been posting mine. Really enjoying looking at others as well

Christian

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Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

[cyclotourist]

FYI, the hostel had room for eight in the male dorm last I checked.

Cheers,
David



On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Oren:
>
> That's great to hear.  Local knowledge trumps internet info every time.  I
> can live wherever we decide to land.  The inland campground at El Chorro
> sounded like better amenities but was remote while the beach one at Morro
> Strand lacked hot showers but was close to Morro Bay.  People should
> probably express a preference so we can settle that question.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 3:35:20 PM UTC-7, oren wrote:
>>
>> i will keep posted and as the camping location gets set in stone i will
>> help with possible ride ideas. i know the county well and i may be able to
>> offer great on-road/ off-road suggestions.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53:02 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>>
>>> Damn Andy and his rumbling shenanigans now there needs to be a rumble in
>>> Cal.
>>>
>>> Slight talks on the other threads. Like to clean things and get things
>>> semi more organized.
>>> Lets make this happen I'm off for the summer and I wouldn't mind driving
>>> down somewhere in the middle.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
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[RBW] New Riv Prototype

[Liesl]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2339507/The-hobby-horse-style-bike-pedals-saddle--holds-riders-harness.html

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[RBW] Re: New Riv Prototype

[Michael]

>
> BTW, hows the upright bars working out for you?

 
Hows your neck doing? 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet

[samh]

What a beauty!  I don't think I've ever seen a Ram in that color.  Was that 
color made before the Orange-Blue series? Good luck with the sale.

On Monday, June 17, 2013 4:00:56 PM UTC-6, Stmike wrote:
>
> Selling my as new Rivendell Rambouillet 58 cm bicycle. It has less than 
> 250 miles on it and is in perfect condition. It is the beautiful forest 
> green color with white accents. It is built with the following componentry:
> Brooks saddle B.17 Steel/Honey
> Ultegra STI
> Ultegra rear derailer
> Ultegra 9 speed cassette
> Nitto seat post, handlebars, bottle cage
> and I'll throw in a Nigel Smythe tweed handlebar bag (pictured).
> Let me know if you'd like specific photos.
> $1500.
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

If that was a 60, I'd be all over it. Rams are great bikes.
Don C.

On Monday, June 17, 2013 3:00:56 PM UTC-7, Stmike wrote:
>
> Selling my as new Rivendell Rambouillet 58 cm bicycle. It has less than 
> 250 miles on it and is in perfect condition. It is the beautiful forest 
> green color with white accents. It is built with the following componentry:
> Brooks saddle B.17 Steel/Honey
> Ultegra STI
> Ultegra rear derailer
> Ultegra 9 speed cassette
> Nitto seat post, handlebars, bottle cage
> and I'll throw in a Nigel Smythe tweed handlebar bag (pictured).
> Let me know if you'd like specific photos.
> $1500.
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

[dougP]

I assume the hostel can accommodate an equal number of women.  The unknown 
is bicycle security.  Bicycles are not allowed inside the building.  They 
claim to have an area outside that is safe.  Maybe one of our SLO riders 
could have a look & give a comment?  Address is 1617 Santa Rosa, a short 
walk from the train station.  

The hostel is an interesting option, especially for those only spending the 
weekend, and especially if your train arrives after dark or you want to 
catch an early AM return train.  It's definitely worth consideration.  

dougP

On Monday, June 17, 2013 7:55:22 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> FYI, the hostel had room for eight in the male dorm last I checked.
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM, dougP >wrote:
>
>> Oren:
>>
>> That's great to hear.  Local knowledge trumps internet info every time.  
>> I can live wherever we decide to land.  The inland campground at El Chorro 
>> sounded like better amenities but was remote while the beach one at Morro 
>> Strand lacked hot showers but was close to Morro Bay.  People should 
>> probably express a preference so we can settle that question.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 3:35:20 PM UTC-7, oren wrote:
>>>
>>> i will keep posted and as the camping location gets set in stone i will 
>>> help with possible ride ideas. i know the county well and i may be able to 
>>> offer great on-road/ off-road suggestions.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53:02 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Damn Andy and his rumbling shenanigans now there needs to be a rumble 
 in Cal.

 Slight talks on the other threads. Like to clean things and get things 
 semi more organized. 
 Lets make this happen I'm off for the summer and I wouldn't mind 
 driving down somewhere in the middle.

 Any ideas?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet

[Joe Bernard]

Green was the final color, and that is a very fair price. Someone's going 
to be very happy.

On Monday, June 17, 2013 8:31:35 PM UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:

> If that was a 60, I'd be all over it. Rams are great bikes.
> Don C.
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 3:00:56 PM UTC-7, Stmike wrote:
>>
>> Selling my as new Rivendell Rambouillet 58 cm bicycle. It has less than 
>> 250 miles on it and is in perfect condition. It is the beautiful forest 
>> green color with white accents. It is built with the following componentry:
>> Brooks saddle B.17 Steel/Honey
>> Ultegra STI
>> Ultegra rear derailer
>> Ultegra 9 speed cassette
>> Nitto seat post, handlebars, bottle cage
>> and I'll throw in a Nigel Smythe tweed handlebar bag (pictured).
>> Let me know if you'd like specific photos.
>> $1500.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Rambouillet

[Reid]

Hey Stmike ... Where are you (well, and the bike) located?
 
Reid
 

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[RBW] Re: Post Your Hunqapillar Pics Here

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I believe there are similar groups for each model... at least for the 
current models. I post to the AHH and Betty Foy groups occasionally. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: So.Cal Vs Nor.Cal Rumble ?

[cyclotourist]

I like the hostel option, but don't know anything about this one. If it's
in town (yet not next to the rail line) that seems like a plus (Firestone,
Firestone, Firestone...). If there's any interest in that, maybe we can
find out if they can offer a group discount even. Although $25 a night aint
too bad.

Cheers,
David



On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:36 PM, dougP  wrote:

> I assume the hostel can accommodate an equal number of women.  The unknown
> is bicycle security.  Bicycles are not allowed inside the building.  They
> claim to have an area outside that is safe.  Maybe one of our SLO riders
> could have a look & give a comment?  Address is 1617 Santa Rosa, a short
> walk from the train station.
>
> The hostel is an interesting option, especially for those only spending
> the weekend, and especially if your train arrives after dark or you want to
> catch an early AM return train.  It's definitely worth consideration.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Monday, June 17, 2013 7:55:22 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> FYI, the hostel had room for eight in the male dorm last I checked.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM, dougP  wrote:
>>
>>> Oren:
>>>
>>> That's great to hear.  Local knowledge trumps internet info every time.
>>> I can live wherever we decide to land.  The inland campground at El Chorro
>>> sounded like better amenities but was remote while the beach one at Morro
>>> Strand lacked hot showers but was close to Morro Bay.  People should
>>> probably express a preference so we can settle that question.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 17, 2013 3:35:20 PM UTC-7, oren wrote:

 i will keep posted and as the camping location gets set in stone i will
 help with possible ride ideas. i know the county well and i may be able to
 offer great on-road/ off-road suggestions.

 On Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53:02 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Damn Andy and his rumbling shenanigans now there needs to be a rumble
> in Cal.
>
> Slight talks on the other threads. Like to clean things and get things
> semi more organized.
> Lets make this happen I'm off for the summer and I wouldn't mind
> driving down somewhere in the middle.
>
> Any ideas?
>
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