[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville SaddleSack Small Grey - $75

[Evan Spacht]

Beardpapa, I'm interested .

I recently purchased a Nitto Toprack, but I'm sort of thinking that a 
Saddlebag would be more useful.
Would you be interested in making a trade?

On Monday, April 8, 2013 7:42:28 PM UTC-7, Beardpapa wrote:
>
> Haven't used it and need to sell.  Msg me if you're interested

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[RBW] The Rivendell Blues..

[Bruce Herbitter]

No, not the Glen Frye song...

RBW has certainly had some really nice blues over the years. The Ram blue
mentioned in a previous thread is French Blue, as close as I can see. Since
there is a forest in France named Rambouillet as well as a sheep breed,
makes sense. The Road and Romulus had a similar wonderful minty blue color,
and Bleriot and Hilsen also were/are blue beauties. I don't know the names,
if any, that RBW has for them.

When my Road needed a repaint I looked long and hard at all the pretty
bikes in the cyclofiend gallery, almost going with the Branywine red, but
finally re doing it in the original blue. It just looks so good.

Tailwinds.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Blues..

[Tom Goodmann]

And don't forget the easy-on-the-eyes grey-blue of the Sam Hillborne 
(unless you have the green, or the orange . . . ). Blue seems a color you 
can live with for a long time; there must be some neuroscience behind all 
this.

Tom

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 6:43:45 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> No, not the Glen Frye song...
>
> RBW has certainly had some really nice blues over the years. The Ram blue 
> mentioned in a previous thread is French Blue, as close as I can see. Since 
> there is a forest in France named Rambouillet as well as a sheep breed, 
> makes sense. The Road and Romulus had a similar wonderful minty blue color, 
> and Bleriot and Hilsen also were/are blue beauties. I don't know the names, 
> if any, that RBW has for them.
>
> When my Road needed a repaint I looked long and hard at all the pretty 
> bikes in the cyclofiend gallery, almost going with the Branywine red, but 
> finally re doing it in the original blue. It just looks so good. 
>
> Tailwinds.
>

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[RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Tom Goodmann]

Prices for RBTs seem to be on the rise (no surprise; so's everything, 
right?)  Before I lucked into a Heron--it just arrived yesterday!--I was on 
the hunt for an RB-T, and anything I turned up in my size (59 cm) was 
offered to me for no less than $500--and, as Joe says, in "well ridden" 
condition. --Tom

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:34:07 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm a master of The Google (actually startpage.com. Google tracks your 
> IP, but I digress). RB-Ts are good bikes, but that one is "well ridden". I 
> wouldn't pay more than $250 for it.
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2013 10:11:47 PM UTC-7, Scot Brooks wrote:
>
>> Pretty fancy sleuth work, Joe! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

No comment particular to the RB-T, but of old, used bikes in general. IME, you 
can spend a load of $$$ on a used bike chasing an unattainable dream. At a 
minimum: unless the bike is a garage-queen formerly owned by an OCD type, or 
you happen to be a decent wrench yourself and have a garage full of good parts, 
you're probably going to have to spend a small fortune at the LBS replacing 
things that are worn out. Chain, cassette, crank/chainring(s), brake pads, 
bar-tape, cables, tires, and who knows what else, along with a 
tune-up/overhaul...could easily run to $300 or even $500 (even with mediocre 
replacement parts) at a LBS. As a "best-case" scenario, I'm not including stuff 
like cracked/bent rims or screwed up hubs or a stuck seatpost or a 
handlebar/stem that Nitto says you should replace every 5 years (or when your 
GF needs a different bar/stem for comfort)...things that can run into big 
money. So, let's say that, with this basic maintenance, the bike actually costs 
you $800 total. Even for that $800, most of the "good" parts that were not 
replaced (including the frame) are still 20 years old, and have an unknown 
history. And besides that, unless your GF really has her heart set on a RB-T, 
you've just spent $800 on a bike that you settled for because it was one of 
very few suitable options available on the local used market. If she doesn't 
like it after going through all that trouble, you'll be lucky to recoup even a 
fraction of the extra $$$ you put into fixing it up.

For that $800 or a bit more, you could buy a NEW bike with all new parts and a 
warranty and a LBS that wants you and your GF to be happy customers. Most 
importantly, the new bike world allows a person to shop around a bit to find a 
bike he/she really likes, rather than settling for whatever happens to make it 
to Craigslist.

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[RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

My previous comment was in no way intended to say that used/older bikes are not 
worth buying and/or fixing. I simply wanted to offer my perspective about what 
I consider to be reasonable expectations in this situation. Too often, people 
buy used older bikes while wearing a set of blinders because they want to 
believe that this cool vintage bike will be a fun and economical project. 
Sometimes it's not fun or economical.

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[RBW] Re: Rear rack advice/suggestions

[Ron Mc]

I have a Tubus Vega on my daughter's bike, and my buddy has a Tubus Cargo 
on his tandem.  The Cr-Mo Tubus racks have a light gray primer, which 
almost exactly matches the aluminum-silver paint on my daughter's bike, and 
looks striking.  The cargo is made to carry panniers lower and is, of 
course, stainless.  Tubus builds a fine rack, and rated for 55 lbs.  




On Monday, April 8, 2013 9:08:49 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Bruce Gordon (he makes them to order, so I reckon you can get whatever 
> color you want) or Tubus.  
>
> I bought the big Nitto and wound up selling after only briefly installing 
> it on my new tourer.  Heavy and overbuilt compared to Gordon and Tubus 
> entries.  The finish as with all Nitto products sure looks nice.
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2013 8:46:11 PM UTC-5, Norman Bone wrote:
>>
>> Looking for a nice silver rear rack for my A/R. Something that can take 
>> panniers. I was looking at this one at Riv (Nitto Big Back Rack): 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r4.htm . 
>> Anyone have experience with it? 
>> Any other silver racks I should be looking at?
>>
>> -Norman in PDX
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rear rack advice/suggestions

[Ron Mc]

forgot to add - the Touring Store is the place to check for Tubus racks and 
hardware - no online sales, but good price and great service.  
http://www.thetouringstore.com/TUBUS/TUBUS%20HOME/TUBUS%20HOME%20PAGE.htm

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:08:20 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I have a Tubus Vega on my daughter's bike, and my buddy has a Tubus Cargo 
> on his tandem.  The Cr-Mo Tubus racks have a light gray primer, which 
> almost exactly matches the aluminum-silver paint on my daughter's bike, and 
> looks striking.  The cargo is made to carry panniers lower and is, of 
> course, stainless.  Tubus builds a fine rack, and rated for 55 lbs.  
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2013 9:08:49 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Gordon (he makes them to order, so I reckon you can get whatever 
>> color you want) or Tubus.  
>>
>> I bought the big Nitto and wound up selling after only briefly installing 
>> it on my new tourer.  Heavy and overbuilt compared to Gordon and Tubus 
>> entries.  The finish as with all Nitto products sure looks nice.
>>
>> On Monday, April 8, 2013 8:46:11 PM UTC-5, Norman Bone wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking for a nice silver rear rack for my A/R. Something that can take 
>>> panniers. I was looking at this one at Riv (Nitto Big Back Rack): 
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r4.htm . 
>>> Anyone have experience with it? 
>>> Any other silver racks I should be looking at?
>>>
>>> -Norman in PDX
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Peter Morgano]

As a owner of many a vintage bike I have to agree with Jim. I wouldn't buy
one not expecting to spend extra on a host of things. But for alot of C&V
people this is a built in cost, all depends on where you are coming at the
project.
On Apr 9, 2013 8:06 AM, "Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery" 
wrote:

> My previous comment was in no way intended to say that used/older bikes
> are not worth buying and/or fixing. I simply wanted to offer my perspective
> about what I consider to be reasonable expectations in this situation. Too
> often, people buy used older bikes while wearing a set of blinders because
> they want to believe that this cool vintage bike will be a fun and
> economical project. Sometimes it's not fun or economical.
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Bruce Herbitter]

Same holds true for old cars or boats.  If you know what you are doing and
want to do the project, great. If you have no clue but see a low price on
ebay or CL, you are just rolling dice. I bought a used frame set (RBW Road)
here (or maybe it was on the 650B list?) from a reputable seller and knew
what my budget would be. I also could (and did) build it up from scratch
myself. It worked out  satisfactorily, but for the same money I could also
have purchased new, decent quality mass production bike. The bike I built
up is way more bike for the same money, imo.


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> My previous comment was in no way intended to say that used/older bikes
> are not worth buying and/or fixing. I simply wanted to offer my perspective
> about what I consider to be reasonable expectations in this situation. Too
> often, people buy used older bikes while wearing a set of blinders because
> they want to believe that this cool vintage bike will be a fun and
> economical project. Sometimes it's not fun or economical.
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Re: [RBW] Re: are there any true 700x40 plush, high tpi tires?

[Matthew J]

Just noticed these new Schwalbe 700x35&38 Marathons on Wall Bike the other 
day.  Not quite so large but may have sufficient plush for the 700 crowd:
 
http://www.wallbike.com/schwalbe/tires/schwalbe-marathon-deluxe
 
I might try them this fall if I can get enough time for a week plus tour I 
hope to do.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet, finally built!

[PATRICK MOORE]

Ryan -- I know it's an odd fixation, but my goal is to have a bike that
rides very nicely unladen, as the Ram has proved to do, and that can also
carry groceries -- up to 40 lb, usually 25 to 30 lb -- nicely. The '73
Motobecane did so, as did my first -- early 1995 -- Waterford custom; which
is odd because neither of these bikes was at all designed for loading. I
don't want a bike designed for heavy loads as these, probably, won't ride
as nicely unladen.

As for theft, I use my '03 custom for errands but I am fortunate that it
rarely needs to be locked outside, and that only in better, and well
trafficked, places.

Frankly, I see the Ram as a kind of high end -- well, beater is too strong
a word, but one that spares my customs, should they need it.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Ryan  wrote:

> Not my business, of course, but really, is hauling 30-40lbs of groceries
> the best  application for your new Ram ? I thought that 20lbs was about the
> maximum.  The SamH , which you did not enjoy as much seemed  like a better
> Riv for errand running .
>
> I know you use your bikes a lot for transport and errand running, but I
> would hate to see one of those lovely Rivendells  vandalized or stolen,
> which is one of the reasons , I suspect, you have the Fargo and you've had
> other bikes too as "utility" bikes.
>
> On Saturday, April 6, 2013 9:43:57 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/**BERTIN753/**RAMBOUILLETFINALLYBUILT040613#
>>
>> I've added a Fly rack and a small seat wedge for basic kit, but
>> otherwise, as you see it. The wheels are loaners, hope to get my own
>> shortly.
>>
>> Pro 5 Vis 44/30 pulling 14-15-16-17-18-20-23 7 speed cassette by 7400
>> series derailleurs, with old Dura Ace SPD pedals and 7 speed Dura Ace dt
>> shifters -- indexed! First indexed drivetrain I've owned since, what, 1993.
>> Kevlar bead 35 mm Kojaks are light and roll quite well despite the armored
>> tread -- would love to get some very nice Compass Bike tires.
>>
>> 9 cm Nitto stem with 42 cm Noodles: I've got the bar a bit higher than on
>> the other Rivs, but also 1 cm further out -- serendipity, but the original
>> setup seems to be a keeper.
>>
>> Shimano levers pulling (for now): front: Nashbar, rear: Shimano A550.
>> Nitto Jaguar post (thanks again, Tom!), original issue Flite, used but good
>> tape, Fly rack. That's all you need!
>>
>> I think this will take over grocery runs from the Fargo, which will go
>> back to off road duty.
>>
>> Thanks to Tim Whalen, sometime of this list, for a good price and very
>> easy terms!
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Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Blues..

[PATRICK MOORE]

I wish I'd kept a note of the blue with which they powdercoated my
erstwhile Herse. Much like the Ram blue; at any rate, nicer than the
original Herse blue, tho' that on this bike was 53 years old, I think, at
time of re-coat. The Ram will get this powdercoat if I live long enough to
get it re-coated.

I do like the Ram blue -- better, frankly, than the almost navy on the '99
Joe.

Another favorite is the sage green -- with cream contrasts -- that covers
my '03.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Bruce Herbitter
wrote:

> No, not the Glen Frye song...
>
> RBW has certainly had some really nice blues over the years. The Ram blue
> mentioned in a previous thread is French Blue, as close as I can see. Since
> there is a forest in France named Rambouillet as well as a sheep breed,
> makes sense. The Road and Romulus had a similar wonderful minty blue color,
> and Bleriot and Hilsen also were/are blue beauties. I don't know the names,
> if any, that RBW has for them.
>
> When my Road needed a repaint I looked long and hard at all the pretty
> bikes in the cyclofiend gallery, almost going with the Branywine red, but
> finally re doing it in the original blue. It just looks so good.
>
> Tailwinds.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville SaddleSack Small Grey - $75

[Beardpapa]

SOLD!

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:06:57 AM UTC-5, Evan Spacht wrote:
>
> Beardpapa, I'm interested .
>
> I recently purchased a Nitto Toprack, but I'm sort of thinking that a 
> Saddlebag would be more useful.
> Would you be interested in making a trade?
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2013 7:42:28 PM UTC-7, Beardpapa wrote:
>>
>> Haven't used it and need to sell.  Msg me if you're interested
>
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Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Blues..

[Bruce Herbitter]

Is this the yellowish green that first year Salukis came in?


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

>
>
> Another favorite is the sage green -- with cream contrasts -- that covers
> my '03.
>
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Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Blues..

[Joe Bernard]

Ahh..sage green. I will either a buy a Riv that color someday, or have one 
painted such. I saw/rode Ray Varella's sage green Rivendell some years ago 
in Vallejo, and it was just gorgeous.
 

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 6:44:46 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

> I wish I'd kept a note of the blue with which they powdercoated my 
> erstwhile Herse. Much like the Ram blue; at any rate, nicer than the 
> original Herse blue, tho' that on this bike was 53 years old, I think, at 
> time of re-coat. The Ram will get this powdercoat if I live long enough to 
> get it re-coated.
>
> I do like the Ram blue -- better, frankly, than the almost navy on the '99 
> Joe. 
>
> Another favorite is the sage green -- with cream contrasts -- that covers 
> my '03. 
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Bruce Herbitter 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> No, not the Glen Frye song...
>>
>> RBW has certainly had some really nice blues over the years. The Ram blue 
>> mentioned in a previous thread is French Blue, as close as I can see. Since 
>> there is a forest in France named Rambouillet as well as a sheep breed, 
>> makes sense. The Road and Romulus had a similar wonderful minty blue color, 
>> and Bleriot and Hilsen also were/are blue beauties. I don't know the names, 
>> if any, that RBW has for them.
>>
>> When my Road needed a repaint I looked long and hard at all the pretty 
>> bikes in the cyclofiend gallery, almost going with the Branywine red, but 
>> finally re doing it in the original blue. It just looks so good. 
>>
>> Tailwinds.
>>
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[RBW] WTB Sackville Saddlesack Small

[EGNolan]

Title says it all. As long as it's in OK condition color doesn't matter. 
Let me know what you have and how much you want.
 
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Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Blues..

[PATRICK MOORE]

This and the immediately prior photo were taken with an old iPhone, but may
serve to indicate this "sage green".

https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5861264110804371778

https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5823569192821520178

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Bruce Herbitter
wrote:

> Is this the yellowish green that first year Salukis came in?
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Another favorite is the sage green -- with cream contrasts -- that covers
>> my '03.
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Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Blues..

[Bruce Herbitter]

Okay, not Saluki green.  Nice treatment of the stays too.


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:37 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> This and the immediately prior photo were taken with an old iPhone, but
> may serve to indicate this "sage green".
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5861264110804371778
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5823569192821520178
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Bruce Herbitter  > wrote:
>
>> Is this the yellowish green that first year Salukis came in?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> covers my '03.
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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Lights and Theft

[Claude LaVallee]

A similar thing happened to me during a trip to the grocery store, also on 
a busy street, in front of a busy bus stop, and in broad daylight, except 
the thief tried to get my basket!

I came out of the grocery store to find that someone had cut 5 of the 8 zip 
ties that held the basket to my front rack. I promptly got some metal 
plates and screwed my basket to the rack, and also now keep both my basket 
and the rack locked to my frame with a cable, as a deterrent. My seat post 
and saddle are locked to my frame too, with a U-lock.

I'm a fan of pitlock skewers and, as soon as I can afford them, I'm also 
getting some of those to secure my wheels to the frame (for now I just TiGr 
lock both wheels to the frame and a bike rack (30" TiGr lock), and back 
that up with a U-lock).

Lights are way more valuable than a basket, so I would consider a good 
pitlock skewer set lock yours onto your bike.

Good luck, and don't let this stop you from the practical use of your bike!

On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:43:19 PM UTC-4, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> I came out of my Dr appointment today to find the 5 zip ties holding the 
> wire connecting my dynamo hub to my light removed and the wire dangling. 
> It's just a cheap IQ Fly.
>
> Is light theft like this common? It was on a busy street in daylight. An 
> Acorn bag was left alone.
>
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Re: [RBW] The Rivendell Blues..

[PATRICK MOORE]

The stays were aftermarket, when Dave Porter swapped the verticals for
1010s and moved the brake bridge. A bit of serendipity for the aesthetics.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Bruce Herbitter
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> Okay, not Saluki green.  Nice treatment of the stays too.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:37 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:
>
>> This and the immediately prior photo were taken with an old iPhone, but
>> may serve to indicate this "sage green".
>>
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5861264110804371778
>>
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5823569192821520178
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Bruce Herbitter <
>> bruce.herbit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is this the yellowish green that first year Salukis came in?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:44 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>>>


 Another favorite is the sage green -- with cream contrasts -- that
 covers my '03.

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[RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Frank Brose]

What Jim says is well worth considering. I don't know how much I have in 
mine but I know it would be way north of $800 if I would have bought 
everything new (might be anyhow).  I had it repainted and had used parts I 
on hand that I used and it still cost me a fair amount of money . The used 
parts cost me something at some point in time and new cables,chain, 
tire,tubes,ect. all add up. I also have enough parts that I knew if I 
didn't like the setup I could always change it's hairdo That being said 
it's still one of my favorite bikes but then again it fits me and I like 
the ride. If I were fiscally responsible when it comes to bicycles. I 
probably would have never pursued it. But I'm not.
 
On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:01:07 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

> No comment particular to the RB-T, but of old, used bikes in general. IME, 
> you can spend a load of $$$ on a used bike chasing an unattainable dream. 
> At a minimum: unless the bike is a garage-queen formerly owned by an OCD 
> type, or you happen to be a decent wrench yourself and have a garage full 
> of good parts, you're probably going to have to spend a small fortune at 
> the LBS replacing things that are worn out. Chain, cassette, 
> crank/chainring(s), brake pads, bar-tape, cables, tires, and who knows what 
> else, along with a tune-up/overhaul...could easily run to $300 or even $500 
> (even with mediocre replacement parts) at a LBS. As a "best-case" scenario, 
> I'm not including stuff like cracked/bent rims or screwed up hubs or a 
> stuck seatpost or a handlebar/stem that Nitto says you should replace every 
> 5 years (or when your GF needs a different bar/stem for comfort)...things 
> that can run into big money. So, let's say that, with this basic 
> maintenance, the bike actually costs you $800 total. Even for that $800, 
> most of the "good" parts that were not replaced (including the frame) are 
> still 20 years old, and have an unknown history. And besides that, unless 
> your GF really has her heart set on a RB-T, you've just spent $800 on a 
> bike that you settled for because it was one of very few suitable options 
> available on the local used market. If she doesn't like it after going 
> through all that trouble, you'll be lucky to recoup even a fraction of the 
> extra $$$ you put into fixing it up. 
>
> For that $800 or a bit more, you could buy a NEW bike with all new parts 
> and a warranty and a LBS that wants you and your GF to be happy customers. 
> Most importantly, the new bike world allows a person to shop around a bit 
> to find a bike he/she really likes, rather than settling for whatever 
> happens to make it to Craigslist. 
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[RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes to all of the above. As a bit of a Bridgestone collector, I can say 
with some authority there are two ways to buy an expensive one: Buy and 
expensive one, or buy a cheap one...

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 8:40:25 AM UTC-7, Frank Brose wrote:

> What Jim says is well worth considering. I don't know how much I have in 
> mine but I know it would be way north of $800 if I would have bought 
> everything new (might be anyhow).  I had it repainted and had used parts I 
> on hand that I used and it still cost me a fair amount of money . The used 
> parts cost me something at some point in time and new cables,chain, 
> tire,tubes,ect. all add up. I also have enough parts that I knew if I 
> didn't like the setup I could always change it's hairdo That being said 
> it's still one of my favorite bikes but then again it fits me and I like 
> the ride. If I were fiscally responsible when it comes to bicycles. I 
> probably would have never pursued it. But I'm not.
>  
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:01:07 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>
>> No comment particular to the RB-T, but of old, used bikes in general. 
>> IME, you can spend a load of $$$ on a used bike chasing an unattainable 
>> dream. At a minimum: unless the bike is a garage-queen formerly owned by an 
>> OCD type, or you happen to be a decent wrench yourself and have a garage 
>> full of good parts, you're probably going to have to spend a small fortune 
>> at the LBS replacing things that are worn out. Chain, cassette, 
>> crank/chainring(s), brake pads, bar-tape, cables, tires, and who knows what 
>> else, along with a tune-up/overhaul...could easily run to $300 or even $500 
>> (even with mediocre replacement parts) at a LBS. As a "best-case" scenario, 
>> I'm not including stuff like cracked/bent rims or screwed up hubs or a 
>> stuck seatpost or a handlebar/stem that Nitto says you should replace every 
>> 5 years (or when your GF needs a different bar/stem for comfort)...things 
>> that can run into big money. So, let's say that, with this basic 
>> maintenance, the bike actually costs you $800 total. Even for that $800, 
>> most of the "good" parts that were not replaced (including the frame) are 
>> still 20 years old, and have an unknown history. And besides that, unless 
>> your GF really has her heart set on a RB-T, you've just spent $800 on a 
>> bike that you settled for because it was one of very few suitable options 
>> available on the local used market. If she doesn't like it after going 
>> through all that trouble, you'll be lucky to recoup even a fraction of the 
>> extra $$$ you put into fixing it up. 
>>
>> For that $800 or a bit more, you could buy a NEW bike with all new parts 
>> and a warranty and a LBS that wants you and your GF to be happy customers. 
>> Most importantly, the new bike world allows a person to shop around a bit 
>> to find a bike he/she really likes, rather than settling for whatever 
>> happens to make it to Craigslist. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Scot Brooks]

It's amazing how on-the-money you are, Jim. It's almost like you were able 
to see exactly how much I spent resurrecting my brother's old Bridgestone. 
While I *do *want some perfect example of...something to come along, I also 
appreciate your point. The practical bike market is pretty great these 
days, and something like a Cross Check or a LHT might be the practical 
choice of practical bikes. 

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Lights and Theft

[Will]

These would probably do the trick...

http://www.bicyclebolts.com/collections/security-allen-bolts

I know this notion offends some bob-types, but a bit of duct tape 
strategically placed on the lights seems to help. Makes them look dingy and 
worn. If the thief thinks your lens cover is about to fall off, they tend 
to move along. At least that's my experience with 2 bikes equipped with 
dynamo systems. 

I see a lot of pretty bikes here. Shiny, expensive bits. Spotlessly clean. 
They are nice. I appreciate them. But I wouldn't park a show-bike at our 
local Trader Joe. 

And I don't see "pretty" reflected in photos of Grant Petersen's bikes. 
Those bikes have straps and stuff hanging from the bars, un-matched bar 
tape, unmatched shifters, twine shellac'd to the saddle. In general: the 
scruffy look. I don't think Grant's approach is anti-theft, but he's 
certainly not polishing his rims so a thief can see his reflection. 



On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:47:53 AM UTC-5, Claude LaVallee wrote:
>
> A similar thing happened to me during a trip to the grocery store, also on 
> a busy street, in front of a busy bus stop, and in broad daylight, except 
> the thief tried to get my basket!
>
> I came out of the grocery store to find that someone had cut 5 of the 8 
> zip ties that held the basket to my front rack. I promptly got some metal 
> plates and screwed my basket to the rack, and also now keep both my basket 
> and the rack locked to my frame with a cable, as a deterrent. My seat post 
> and saddle are locked to my frame too, with a U-lock.
>
> I'm a fan of pitlock skewers and, as soon as I can afford them, I'm also 
> getting some of those to secure my wheels to the frame (for now I just TiGr 
> lock both wheels to the frame and a bike rack (30" TiGr lock), and back 
> that up with a U-lock).
>
> Lights are way more valuable than a basket, so I would consider a good 
> pitlock skewer set lock yours onto your bike.
>
> Good luck, and don't let this stop you from the practical use of your bike!
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:43:19 PM UTC-4, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> I came out of my Dr appointment today to find the 5 zip ties holding the 
>> wire connecting my dynamo hub to my light removed and the wire dangling. 
>> It's just a cheap IQ Fly.
>>
>> Is light theft like this common? It was on a busy street in daylight. An 
>> Acorn bag was left alone.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] my sort of new to me Hunqapillar

[Christian]

The Paselas completely transformed the bike.  GB Cypres might be next.  I 
am imagining having a set of Cypres and maybe BG Rock n Roads to swap back 
and forth.  The wheels are Velocity Dyad 36 hole with a Phil Wood in the 
rear and a SON 28 up front.  What's your Hilsen wheel set up?  I'm not 
gonna do much more to optimize the Hunq for brevets; my Terraferma will be 
back in service before too long.  

Best wishes,

Christian 

Charlottesville, VA.

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:55:46 AM UTC-4, stonehog wrote:
>
> Nice bike, Christian!  I think my Hunqa would do a brevet, in its current 
> config, as well.  When I have it outfitted with similar wheels/tires and 
> bars as my Hilsen, it's a bit stiffer, but a superbly comfortable ride.  
> Nice to know that it is a proven alternate if the Hilsen has an issue 
> pre-ride...
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Christian 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> So back in the fall I bought a Hunqapillar from someone on the list.  I 
>> rode it around here and there but nothing more than a few miles at a time. 
>>  For 99% of my riding I used my 650B Terraferma.  The Hunqapillar was 
>> great, but I bought it to ride around town, eventually to tour again, it 
>> was a good deal, etc.  
>>
>> But then the drive side chainstay on my beloved Terraferma broke!  The 
>> Hunqapillar needed to snap to attention.  I swapped over my decaleur and 
>> Berthoud bag, head light (it came with a SON hub), converted to drivetrain 
>> from 1 X 8 to 3 X 8 (I'd prefer my compact Herse, but did not want to 
>> fiddle with it and knew I'd get the Sugino up and running quickly).
>>
>> I then headed out for a ride.  I needed to get the bike in shape for this 
>> weekend's fleche.  So on Monday I did a mixed terrain century using 
>> Marathon Duremes (talk about a workout!), ordered some Paselas, and headed 
>> out Saturday morning for the fleche.  I developed some hip pain--something 
>> that's crept up before and had been solved, I think, by my low q Herse 
>> crank--and had to abandon. But not before getting in a 200k.  
>>
>> The Hunqapillar was to be my Hunqafleche but since I did not finish I 
>> cannot christen it a full rando bike yet.  It performed well, however.  The 
>> Paselas make it look like a skinny tire bike! Here's a few photos: 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157633184218583/with/
>> 8627620295/
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco Bullmoose 58 $115; Marathon Duremes + tubes $60; Oury grips $10--all plus shipping

[Christian]

Bars have been sold.  

On Sunday, April 7, 2013 1:00:50 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> --Bosco Bullmoose 58cm bar in excellent shape.  $115 plus shipping 
>
> --one pair Schwalbe folding Marathon Duremes plus tubes, 700 x 50, in 
> excellent shape.   $60 plus shipping 
>
> --one pair Oury grips, black, $10 plus shipping 
>
> Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157633188790126/
>
> If these prices are out of line let me know.  I can be flexible, but 
> please be reasonable.   
>
> PayPal please.  
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Christian 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Eric Platt]

Agreeing with the other folks here.  I've come close a few times over the
past few years to buying an older bike.  Once I've sat down and figured out
how much would be spent, have decided it wasn't worth the effort.

The other thing (and this is not a rub on the RB-T) but a lot of the older
bikes don't take the tire widths I need.  As Jim Thill is well aware, came
close to buying an older Miyata touring bike.  Once I looked and figured
out the bike might be able to fit 28s with fenders that idea went out the
window.
 Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Scot Brooks  wrote:

> It's amazing how on-the-money you are, Jim. It's almost like you were able
> to see exactly how much I spent resurrecting my brother's old Bridgestone.
> While I *do *want some perfect example of...something to come along, I
> also appreciate your point. The practical bike market is pretty great these
> days, and something like a Cross Check or a LHT might be the practical
> choice of practical bikes.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Lights and Theft

[Eric Platt]

Have not seen light theft around here, but one can never tell what will can
and will be stolen from a bike.  Had been thinking about installing the
Pitlock set I have on the Hillborne.  Maybe I should be safe rather than
sorry.
 Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Will  wrote:

> These would probably do the trick...
>
> http://www.bicyclebolts.com/collections/security-allen-bolts
>
> I know this notion offends some bob-types, but a bit of duct tape
> strategically placed on the lights seems to help. Makes them look dingy and
> worn. If the thief thinks your lens cover is about to fall off, they tend
> to move along. At least that's my experience with 2 bikes equipped with
> dynamo systems.
>
> I see a lot of pretty bikes here. Shiny, expensive bits. Spotlessly clean.
> They are nice. I appreciate them. But I wouldn't park a show-bike at our
> local Trader Joe.
>
> And I don't see "pretty" reflected in photos of Grant Petersen's bikes.
> Those bikes have straps and stuff hanging from the bars, un-matched bar
> tape, unmatched shifters, twine shellac'd to the saddle. In general: the
> scruffy look. I don't think Grant's approach is anti-theft, but he's
> certainly not polishing his rims so a thief can see his reflection.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:47:53 AM UTC-5, Claude LaVallee wrote:
>>
>> A similar thing happened to me during a trip to the grocery store, also
>> on a busy street, in front of a busy bus stop, and in broad daylight,
>> except the thief tried to get my basket!
>>
>> I came out of the grocery store to find that someone had cut 5 of the 8
>> zip ties that held the basket to my front rack. I promptly got some metal
>> plates and screwed my basket to the rack, and also now keep both my basket
>> and the rack locked to my frame with a cable, as a deterrent. My seat post
>> and saddle are locked to my frame too, with a U-lock.
>>
>> I'm a fan of pitlock skewers and, as soon as I can afford them, I'm also
>> getting some of those to secure my wheels to the frame (for now I just TiGr
>> lock both wheels to the frame and a bike rack (30" TiGr lock), and back
>> that up with a U-lock).
>>
>> Lights are way more valuable than a basket, so I would consider a good
>> pitlock skewer set lock yours onto your bike.
>>
>> Good luck, and don't let this stop you from the practical use of your
>> bike!
>>
>> On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:43:19 PM UTC-4, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> I came out of my Dr appointment today to find the 5 zip ties holding the
>>> wire connecting my dynamo hub to my light removed and the wire dangling.
>>> It's just a cheap IQ Fly.
>>>
>>> Is light theft like this common? It was on a busy street in daylight. An
>>> Acorn bag was left alone.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Lights and Theft

[Eric]

On my Indy Fab touring bike that I had set up with a dynamo front wheel I 
used a SuperNova light mount for my Edelux. I swapped out the standand bolt 
on the front (that threaded through the Edelux bracket) and put my Pitlock 
on there. I used the Pitlock for the seat collar. It worked pretty well but 
was difficult to get enough torque to secure it. It was somewhat of a 
hassle but it gave me piece of mind.

Now my piece of mind is never locking my bikes up outside unless I have to. 
I live in Chicago so that might add to that mindset. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[William]

I never go out looking for a used bike, but when the perfect used bike 
opportunity finds me, I am often ready to take advantage

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:34:16 AM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
> Agreeing with the other folks here.  I've come close a few times over the 
> past few years to buying an older bike.  Once I've sat down and figured out 
> how much would be spent, have decided it wasn't worth the effort.  
>  
> The other thing (and this is not a rub on the RB-T) but a lot of the older 
> bikes don't take the tire widths I need.  As Jim Thill is well aware, came 
> close to buying an older Miyata touring bike.  Once I looked and figured 
> out the bike might be able to fit 28s with fenders that idea went out the 
> window.
>   Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Scot Brooks 
> > wrote:
>
>> It's amazing how on-the-money you are, Jim. It's almost like you were 
>> able to see exactly how much I spent resurrecting my brother's old 
>> Bridgestone. While I *do *want some perfect example of...something to 
>> come along, I also appreciate your point. The practical bike market is 
>> pretty great these days, and something like a Cross Check or a LHT might be 
>> the practical choice of practical bikes.  
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RE: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

So your perception is that used bike opportunities "go looking for you"?

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:04 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

I never go out looking for a used bike, but when the perfect used bike 
opportunity finds me, I am often ready to take advantage

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:34:16 AM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
Agreeing with the other folks here.  I've come close a few times over the past 
few years to buying an older bike.  Once I've sat down and figured out how much 
would be spent, have decided it wasn't worth the effort.

The other thing (and this is not a rub on the RB-T) but a lot of the older 
bikes don't take the tire widths I need.  As Jim Thill is well aware, came 
close to buying an older Miyata touring bike.  Once I looked and figured out 
the bike might be able to fit 28s with fenders that idea went out the window.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Scot Brooks > 
wrote:
It's amazing how on-the-money you are, Jim. It's almost like you were able to 
see exactly how much I spent resurrecting my brother's old Bridgestone. While I 
do want some perfect example of...something to come along, I also appreciate 
your point. The practical bike market is pretty great these days, and something 
like a Cross Check or a LHT might be the practical choice of practical bikes.
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Interesting discussion. I've had great fun, great chagrin, and great
expense trying to achieve silk purse perfection out of sows' ear beaters.
OTOH, I've sold some such beaters and, afterward, regretted doing so. But
on the whole, I've learned that, unless the cheap find is exceptional --
either exceptionally good or exceptionally cheap, it's not a good way to
spend your money. But this sort of buy/rehab/try/sell-at-loss has at least
given me experience with many bikes.

Now my brother, OTOH, goes through at least a dozen bikes a year -- at one
point he had so many that he would lose bikes, frames groups, inside his
very large garage that was packed floor to rafters, front to back, and side
to side, leaving only a little gap near the door for his workspace. And
this number includes only those he buys for his own interest, not those
other dozens he buys merely to flip (tho' he ends up flipping many of the
former category, too). Since he's much less picky about what he likes, and
knows his stuff, he does manage to find excellent bikes and still come out
way ahead financially - a sort of self-supporting acquisition addiction.

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Lights and Theft

[Michael Williams]

Sorry about your light getting stolen,   anything stolen off of your bike
feels personal.   My antitheft device is a ball bearing and some Gorilla
Glue in the hex head.   The glue sets pretty hard,  and Ive tried getting
it out myself as if I were a thief.   To actually get it out,  I have to
heat it up a bit with a lighter or any heat source I would imagine.  If i
were out riding and I needed to adjust my saddle or something on my light,
 Id be a bit out of luck.   My thing is to just deter someone from stealing
things off your bike because it might take too long.Maybe its stopped
someone before,  or maybe Ive just been really luck.   Sorry about your
light.   -Mike


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Minh  wrote:

> Gosh, that stinks, this is a fear of mine as i have an edelux and a
> supernova and like you i ride my bike to normal places like the doctor,
> store etc.  It truly sucks, and there are a few things you can do to ward
> this off (use security bolts instead of normal allen ones, stick wax or
> glue in the bolt heads to make it harder to undo).  But nothing is 100%
> fool-proof if someone really wants it.
>
> But in the end, we can't live in fear and our bikes are made to be
> used/enjoyed, so don't let this dissuade you from replacing it and riding
> on!
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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Lights and Theft

[jeffrey kane]

Genius resource on the Security Bolt site, Will ... many thanks for that!


On Monday, April 8, 2013 5:43:19 PM UTC-4, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> I came out of my Dr appointment today to find the 5 zip ties holding the 
> wire connecting my dynamo hub to my light removed and the wire dangling. 
> It's just a cheap IQ Fly.
>
> Is light theft like this common? It was on a busy street in daylight. An 
> Acorn bag was left alone.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Moustache vs. Noodle bar reach overlay with pics

[Hoffsta]

It's nice to see I'm not the only one who likes the Mustache long and low. 
I tried it up higher and closer but couldn't dig, man.

Sean
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[William]

Absolutely they go looking for me.  All I do is keep my eyes and ears open. 
 

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 10:07:31 AM UTC-7, Pudge wrote:
>
>  So your perception is that used bike opportunities “go looking for you”?
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *William
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 09, 2013 1:04 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?
>
>  
>
> I never go out looking for a used bike, but when the perfect used bike 
> opportunity finds me, I am often ready to take advantage
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:34:16 AM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>  
> Agreeing with the other folks here.  I've come close a few times over the 
> past few years to buying an older bike.  Once I've sat down and figured out 
> how much would be spent, have decided it wasn't worth the effort.  
>  
>  
>  
> The other thing (and this is not a rub on the RB-T) but a lot of the older 
> bikes don't take the tire widths I need.  As Jim Thill is well aware, came 
> close to buying an older Miyata touring bike.  Once I looked and figured 
> out the bike might be able to fit 28s with fenders that idea went out the 
> window.
>
> Eric Platt
>  
> St. Paul, MN
>   
>  
>  
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Scot Brooks  wrote:
>
> It's amazing how on-the-money you are, Jim. It's almost like you were able 
> to see exactly how much I spent resurrecting my brother's old Bridgestone. 
> While I *do *want some perfect example of...something to come along, I 
> also appreciate your point. The practical bike market is pretty great these 
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[RBW] Saluki stuff

[Bruce Herbitter]

The question earlier about Pea Sage Green got me hunting down the actual
color name for the early Saluki (Yellow Olive) but a crawl through old
pages showed up something I missed until now.  This little tidbit:  
Yes, you can use 700c or (on the centerpull version) mountain bike 26-inch
wheels, but the frame is designed for 650Bs, and the others should be
regarded as life-or-death options for escaping mean cowboys in
middle-of-the-desert saloons, after you flatten their tires and scatter
their horses.

 If mine were a center pull model, you can be sure I'd beat a path to the
garage to play musical wheel sets and see how the rides compare.  I've
always liked it as a 650B though. Loved it as I toodled on down to City
Hall yesterday to meet the mayor (and talk bike stuff for our little town)
and chained it up to the fence there. In fact, I don't have a 700 wheel
bike at all anymore.

Tailwinds

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Scot Brooks]

And, in perfect harmony with William's statement, up pops a lovely Waterford on 
Seattle CL. Thank goodness it's not my size :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: your opinion of the Bridgestone RB-T?

[Tom Goodmann]

yeah, thank goodness about the size! that Waterford looks like a good deal.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet, finally built!

[Toshi Takeuchi]

My Kojaks on Open Pros measured 32 mm. However, it was a taller 32 mm
compared to the 32 Paselas, which were flatter tires of similar width.  I
preferred the 32 Paselas to the Kojaks on the Ram--maybe because I was used
to the Paselas and the Kojaks were different enough for me to notice it.

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] ISO Small Tweed Trunksack

[Peter Morgano]

Bump here, I just called and they said there is no timetable for the Tweed
but green Canvas should be in next month. As I am incredibly impatient if
anyone has a green or tweed for sale I am in the market. Thanks.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Peter M  wrote:

> My anniversary is coming up and I was given the go ahead to get more bike
> bags as I am in "need" of a small trunk sack. They are out of stock on the
> Riv site so thought I would see if any serial bag hoarders wanted to sell a
> tweed trunksack small. Yes I know I owned one last year and sold it, but
> such is life. I dont really care if its the old or new style, just as long
> as it is in nice condition. Thanks all.
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[RBW] Re: Hey I know this tall fello

[Amit Singh]

Thanks for the shout-out Manny.  Great meeting you too Nick!

Here's a link that works:

http://flic.kr/p/e9PpLw

and another riding the DandylaBomba:

http://flic.kr/p/e9Hqkk

On Monday, 8 April 2013 20:57:05 UTC-4, Nick Worthington wrote:
>
> I was there!  Really nice to meet, and talk with, Amit!  
>  
> Nick 
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2013 3:24:32 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
>> Checking out flickr I found this guy during the Sac Tweed Ride... 
>> http://flic.kr/p/e9HvEp
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Spring Camp Saturday, April 27th

[keven@rivendell]

Forgot to mention...

We will be leaving Rivendell HQ at 4pm, so meet here by at least 3:30.

We'll be back at Riv HQ by noon on Sunday.

Cheers,

keven


On Monday, April 8, 2013 12:59:03 PM UTC-7, keven@rivendell wrote:
>
> Hello All-
> We will be hosting a Spring Camp Out this Saturday, April 27th in the 
> Shell Ridge/ Mt. Diablo area.
>
> If you'd like to join us, shoot me, Keven, an email (ke...@rivbike.com) 
> to let me know.
>
> We're limiting the group size to 12 folks.  Myself and at least one other 
> Riv employee will join us.
>
> You're on your own with food, bikes, gear, etc. but can arrange to borrow 
> a demo bike and even demo camping gear if arranged ahead of time.  It's a 
> great opportunity to try out something new!
>
> The charge is $50 to cover our camp site, some low-carb snack food, and 
> gets you a $25 Rivendell credit to be used within 30 days.
>
> Hope you can join us!
> -keven
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet, finally built!

[PATRICK MOORE]

Interesting take on the Kojaks. They felt fast on the Fargo, but now, on
the Ram, which feels and fits more like the customs, the Kojaks feel a bit
sluggish: odd because the 559 ones on the '03 don't give me that impression.

Too many variables to count, I suppose, but once money is available, I will
give the K's back to the Fargo and buy some nice Compass tires, God willing.

Just 11 miles today on the Ram, on a detour'd PO run -- windy, cold, and
wettish -- even a bit of sleet!

Raised the saddle a wee bit; may drop the bar a wee bit, too. (Must play
racer. No, really, to make the hoods a bit more comfortable.)

On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> My Kojaks on Open Pros measured 32 mm. However, it was a taller 32 mm
> compared to the 32 Paselas, which were flatter tires of similar width.  I
> preferred the 32 Paselas to the Kojaks on the Ram--maybe because I was used
> to the Paselas and the Kojaks were different enough for me to notice it.
>
> Toshi
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Spring Camp Saturday, April 27th

[Liesl]

Dang I wish I were joining you!  xxoo RCW, MD

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[RBW] Re: Dynamo Lights and Theft

[Liesl]

Oh I'm so sorry, ryan.

One way I hope to avoid this is...I have a SuperNova E3 and I set it up on 
my bars with their handlebar mount.

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/supernova.asp (scroll down for the mount)

I used a set of gold connectors from P White near the light.  with this 
set-up, I can disconnect the light, remove it from the bars, and put it in 
my pocket in less time then it takes to write this sentence.  works well.

-liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rambouillet, finally built!

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Kojaks feel great on the Roadeo, but have not tried Paselas with the
Roadeo...

Toshi



On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:47 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Interesting take on the Kojaks. They felt fast on the Fargo, but now, on
> the Ram, which feels and fits more like the customs, the Kojaks feel a bit
> sluggish: odd because the 559 ones on the '03 don't give me that impression.
>
> Too many variables to count, I suppose, but once money is available, I
> will give the K's back to the Fargo and buy some nice Compass tires, God
> willing.
>
> Just 11 miles today on the Ram, on a detour'd PO run -- windy, cold, and
> wettish -- even a bit of sleet!
>
> Raised the saddle a wee bit; may drop the bar a wee bit, too. (Must play
> racer. No, really, to make the hoods a bit more comfortable.)
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> My Kojaks on Open Pros measured 32 mm. However, it was a taller 32 mm
>> compared to the 32 Paselas, which were flatter tires of similar width.  I
>> preferred the 32 Paselas to the Kojaks on the Ram--maybe because I was used
>> to the Paselas and the Kojaks were different enough for me to notice it.
>>
>> Toshi
>>
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[RBW] Hetre gash: to replace or not replace?

[john muhl]

If these weren't brand new I'd replace it without second thought but the 
thought of chucking a $70 tire with such low milage on it makes my inner 
cheapskate go crazy. What say the wisdom of the group? Replace or 
not? http://goo.gl/2AY9i

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[RBW] Re: Hetre gash: to replace or not replace?

[C.J. Filip]

Patch the tire itself.  Keep an eye on it.   No way I would throw it away 
either.

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:53:23 PM UTC-7, john muhl wrote:
>
> If these weren't brand new I'd replace it without second thought but the 
> thought of chucking a $70 tire with such low milage on it makes my inner 
> cheapskate go crazy. What say the wisdom of the group? Replace or not? 
> http://goo.gl/2AY9i

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Spring Camp Saturday, April 27th

[Stephen S]

It looks like my previous post to the group has been lost. Well, that or I 
am being moderated

I am signed up for the Spring Camp. Were there any other folks from the 
south bay who are signed up?  Anne, Rene? 
Hopefully we could get a carpool going. If not, maybe we can do a group 
ride to the Fremont Bart if that worked well for Anne last time.

Stephen

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:45:08 PM UTC-7, keven@rivendell wrote:
>
> Forgot to mention...
>
> We will be leaving Rivendell HQ at 4pm, so meet here by at least 3:30.
>
> We'll be back at Riv HQ by noon on Sunday.
>
> Cheers,
>
> keven
>
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2013 12:59:03 PM UTC-7, keven@rivendell wrote:
>>
>> Hello All-
>> We will be hosting a Spring Camp Out this Saturday, April 27th in the 
>> Shell Ridge/ Mt. Diablo area.
>>
>> If you'd like to join us, shoot me, Keven, an email 
>> (ke...@rivbike.com) 
>> to let me know.
>>
>> We're limiting the group size to 12 folks.  Myself and at least one other 
>> Riv employee will join us.
>>
>> You're on your own with food, bikes, gear, etc. but can arrange to borrow 
>> a demo bike and even demo camping gear if arranged ahead of time.  It's a 
>> great opportunity to try out something new!
>>
>> The charge is $50 to cover our camp site, some low-carb snack food, and 
>> gets you a $25 Rivendell credit to be used within 30 days.
>>
>> Hope you can join us!
>> -keven
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Spring Camp Saturday, April 27th

[Deacon Patrick]

"I think it does if you ride there"

Fuel (food) cost from Colorado is likely not included. Sigh. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 8, 2013 8:21:01 PM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> I think it does if you ride there...
>
> - J
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2013 6:00:29 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> $50 bucks doesn't include transport to Riv HQ, does it? Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Monday, April 8, 2013 1:59:03 PM UTC-6, keven@rivendell wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All-
>>> We will be hosting a Spring Camp Out this Saturday, April 27th in the 
>>> Shell Ridge/ Mt. Diablo area.
>>>
>>> If you'd like to join us, shoot me, Keven, an email (ke...@rivbike.com) 
>>> to let me know.
>>>
>>> We're limiting the group size to 12 folks.  Myself and at least one 
>>> other Riv employee will join us.
>>>
>>> You're on your own with food, bikes, gear, etc. but can arrange to 
>>> borrow a demo bike and even demo camping gear if arranged ahead of time. 
>>>  It's a great opportunity to try out something new!
>>>
>>> The charge is $50 to cover our camp site, some low-carb snack food, and 
>>> gets you a $25 Rivendell credit to be used within 30 days.
>>>
>>> Hope you can join us!
>>> -keven
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 64 cm Atlantis - custom blue

[Kelly]

The price seems to cheap to me.   Then again maybe that's why my Quickbeam 
didn't sell I wanted to much for it.   Pretty bike good luck on the sale. 

Kelly


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[RBW] Re: Hetre gash: to replace or not replace?

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I wouldn't hesitate to ride that tire. I probably wouldn't do anything to 
patch it even, but if a patch gives you more confidence, do it. 
--Smitty

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> If these weren't brand new I'd replace it without second thought but the 
> thought of chucking a $70 tire with such low milage on it makes my inner 
> cheapskate go crazy. What say the wisdom of the group? Replace or not? 
> http://goo.gl/2AY9i

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Spring Camp Saturday, April 27th

[René Sterental]

Stephen,

I also signed up and am clearing out some logistics around my son's Water
Polo tournaments on that Saturday and Sunday. As the dates get closer and
we have information on the games, I'll know exactly how easy it will be for
me to offer carpooling from the Peninsula. My capacity will be, in addition
to my bike, one additional fendered (or not) bike in the rear rack plus two
nonfendered ones on the roof racks.

René


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Stephen S  wrote:

> It looks like my previous post to the group has been lost. Well, that or I
> am being moderated
>
> I am signed up for the Spring Camp. Were there any other folks from the
> south bay who are signed up?  Anne, Rene?
> Hopefully we could get a carpool going. If not, maybe we can do a group
> ride to the Fremont Bart if that worked well for Anne last time.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 1:45:08 PM UTC-7, keven@rivendell wrote:
>
>> Forgot to mention...
>>
>> We will be leaving Rivendell HQ at 4pm, so meet here by at least 3:30.
>>
>> We'll be back at Riv HQ by noon on Sunday.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> keven
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 8, 2013 12:59:03 PM UTC-7, keven@rivendell wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All-
>>> We will be hosting a Spring Camp Out this Saturday, April 27th in the
>>> Shell Ridge/ Mt. Diablo area.
>>>
>>> If you'd like to join us, shoot me, Keven, an email (ke...@rivbike.com)
>>> to let me know.
>>>
>>> We're limiting the group size to 12 folks.  Myself and at least one
>>> other Riv employee will join us.
>>>
>>> You're on your own with food, bikes, gear, etc. but can arrange to
>>> borrow a demo bike and even demo camping gear if arranged ahead of time.
>>>  It's a great opportunity to try out something new!
>>>
>>> The charge is $50 to cover our camp site, some low-carb snack food, and
>>> gets you a $25 Rivendell credit to be used within 30 days.
>>>
>>> Hope you can join us!
>>> -keven
>>>
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[RBW] Re: First Generation Bosco's

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Excellent Pic.  

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:58:55 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Well friends, imagine my surprise when I found this photo taken by my 
> grandfather in about 1932.  The girl on the right bicycle is my mother; the 
> little guy up in the tree is her brother and the other girl is her sister.  
> The boy on the Early Double Top-Tube Riv with the first bullmoose top-tube 
> prototype Bosco's is a mystery.  So now it all makes sense:  it's genetic!
>
> Riv Chica Warrior, Jr.
>
>
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[RBW] OT but Riv content: B-stone CB-0

[C.J. Filip]

>From a local LBS, great shop.  No affiliation with the shop other than 
being an infrequent customer.  

http://pullman.craigslist.org/bid/3671050042.html

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[RBW] FS: 57cm handmade frameset by RRB Cycles with Centaur group and Record/Velocity wheelset

[Kevin Mulcahy]

My apologies for crossposting from the iBOB list. This bike might be OT, 
but it is a handmade bike with generous clearances and certainly Rivly. I 
thought some of you might be interested in a bike I have for sale. 

Frame: 57cm square. Henry James lugs and fork crown. Campagnolo drop outs. 
Cenelli BB, oversized TT and chainstays. This is pretty much a century 
special: Clearance for 27s Paris Roubaix tires, low bb height, and stable 
geometry. Frameset comes with matching Slica frame pump.

Group: 2009 Centaur. Like-new condition. This is the best Centaur group 
with the older Ultrashift internals with the new body shape. Skeleton 
brakes. Compact crank. 13-26 cassette.

Wheelset: 1st gen 9/10sp Record hubs to Velocity Aerohead Deep-V's. Campy 
skewers included. Currently equipped with Paris Roubaix tires.

Other parts: Gran Compe seatpost and stem. Nitto Grand Rando bars. Brooks 
tape. Chorus headset.



http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7059/6911603126_6b30f80c97_b.jpg

Looking for $1200 complete. I'd also consider parting out the group or 
frameset for $500 each and wheelset for $300

*Saddle and pedals not included.*

Reply off list for more pictures and details. Buyer pays shipping if 
needed. 

Hope you like it!
Kevin Mulcahy,
Chicago, IL

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[RBW] Re: First Generation Bosco's

[Deacon Patrick]

Ancestral memory! I love it!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:58:55 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:
>
> Well friends, imagine my surprise when I found this photo taken by my 
> grandfather in about 1932.  The girl on the right bicycle is my mother; the 
> little guy up in the tree is her brother and the other girl is her sister.  
> The boy on the Early Double Top-Tube Riv with the first bullmoose top-tube 
> prototype Bosco's is a mystery.  So now it all makes sense:  it's genetic!
>
> Riv Chica Warrior, Jr.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Saluki stuff

[justinaugust]

Here I sit. A Saluki. With side pulls. And a 700c Rich built wheelset 
downstairs. Hmmm. Hmmm. Hmmm. 

I'm more interested in the 26" honestly. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Saluki stuff

[James Warren]

I'm guessing you'd use short-reach sidepulls with the 700c wheels. It's like 
the opposite of a 650B conversion of a late 80's road bike.


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>Here I sit. A Saluki. With side pulls. And a 700c Rich built wheelset 
>downstairs. Hmmm. Hmmm. Hmmm. 
>
>I'm more interested in the 26" honestly. 
>
>-J
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Re: [RBW] Saluki stuff

[Joe Bernard]

Yep. There is/was a 650b Hilsen staff bike at Riv converted to 700c wheels 
and short-reach brakes.

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 5:10:45 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

>
> I'm guessing you'd use short-reach sidepulls with the 700c wheels. It's 
> like the opposite of a 650B conversion of a late 80's road bike. 
>
>
> -Original Message- 
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> >Subject: [RBW] Saluki stuff 
> > 
> >Here I sit. A Saluki. With side pulls. And a 700c Rich built wheelset 
> downstairs. Hmmm. Hmmm. Hmmm. 
> > 
> >I'm more interested in the 26" honestly. 
> > 
> >-J 
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[RBW] Re: First Generation Bosco's

[Alex Moll]

Neato!

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Re: [RBW] Saluki stuff

[justinaugust]

Any 26" successes?

-J

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Re: [RBW] Hetre gash: to replace or not replace?

[Joan Oppel]

I have patched similar cuts in tires and ridden many many more miles on them (100's at least if not thousands).  If you're really concerned, take an old tire and cut out a small section to use as a patch.  It can be held in place with just the tube or with a couple of small pieces of duct tape.Joan   On 04/09/13, john muhl wrote: If these weren't brand new I'd replace it without second thought but the thought of chucking a $70 tire with such low milage on it makes my inner cheapskate go crazy. What say the wisdom of the group? Replace or not? http://goo.gl/2AY9i-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.  



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Re: [RBW] First Generation Bosco's

[jimD]

Cool photo!
Thanks,
JimD

On Apr 9, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> Well friends, imagine my surprise when I found this photo taken by my 
> grandfather in about 1932.  The girl on the right bicycle is my mother; the 
> little guy up in the tree is her brother and the other girl is her sister.  
> The boy on the Early Double Top-Tube Riv with the first bullmoose top-tube 
> prototype Bosco's is a mystery.  So now it all makes sense:  it's genetic!
> 
> Riv Chica Warrior, Jr.
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: First Generation Bosco's

[Norman]

I'm not sure how this scanned photo will turn out but that's me on those 
old time handlebars in Newark, NJ 1950's.

Norman


On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 5:58:55 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:
>
> Well friends, imagine my surprise when I found this photo taken by my 
> grandfather in about 1932.  The girl on the right bicycle is my mother; the 
> little guy up in the tree is her brother and the other girl is her sister.  
> The boy on the Early Double Top-Tube Riv with the first bullmoose top-tube 
> prototype Bosco's is a mystery.  So now it all makes sense:  it's genetic!
>
> Riv Chica Warrior, Jr.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Saluki stuff

[C.J. Filip]

Have a freshly built 26" wheel with WI ENO eccentric hub.  Single speed 
Saluki?!  Will try it.

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 5:52:35 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Any 26" successes?
>
> -J
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[RBW] Re: Hetre gash: to replace or not replace?

[Christian]

In the two years I've been riding Hetres I've had several similar gashes with 
no ill effects.  Generally, they've been caused by very small pieces of 
glass--or the gash somehow came first and the glass got in--and so I've had to 
get tweezers and pull the glass out. But the gash itself has never caused a 
problem or grown bigger.  I say: ride on.

Christian 

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[RBW] Re: OT but Riv content: B-stone CB-0

[Joe Bernard]

A caveat to anyone considering one of these: It's not light, and that big 
downtube adds to its tank-like feel. It's fine as a basic commuter, but 
although it may be the precursor to the XO series, it doesn't ride like 
them.
 
On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 4:13:59 PM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:

> From a local LBS, great shop.  No affiliation with the shop other than 
> being an infrequent customer.  
>
> http://pullman.craigslist.org/bid/3671050042.html
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[RBW] Re: Hetre gash: to replace or not replace?

[IanA]

I'd say only ride it on the rear.  

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 4:53:23 PM UTC-6, john muhl wrote:
>
> If these weren't brand new I'd replace it without second thought but the 
> thought of chucking a $70 tire with such low milage on it makes my inner 
> cheapskate go crazy. What say the wisdom of the group? Replace or not? 
> http://goo.gl/2AY9i

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT but Riv content: B-stone CB-0

[cyclotourist]

What Joe said. Much better off getting a MB-5 which is already built up
pretty close to that one.
Wouldn't pay more than $150.

Cheers,
David



On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> A caveat to anyone considering one of these: It's not light, and that big
> downtube adds to its tank-like feel. It's fine as a basic commuter, but
> although it may be the precursor to the XO series, it doesn't ride like
> them.
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 4:13:59 PM UTC-7, C.J. Filip wrote:
>
>> From a local LBS, great shop.  No affiliation with the shop other than
>> being an infrequent customer.
>>
>> http://pullman.craigslist.org/**bid/3671050042.html
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[RBW] Re: Hetre gash: to replace or not replace?

[Ron Mc]

Good idea to patch the tire.  Even if it's a little square of duck tape. 
 You couldn't run that cut with a latex tube - it would blow right through. 
 

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 5:56:33 PM UTC-5, C.J. Filip wrote:
>
> Patch the tire itself.  Keep an eye on it.   No way I would throw it away 
> either.
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 3:53:23 PM UTC-7, john muhl wrote:
>>
>> If these weren't brand new I'd replace it without second thought but the 
>> thought of chucking a $70 tire with such low milage on it makes my inner 
>> cheapskate go crazy. What say the wisdom of the group? Replace or not? 
>> http://goo.gl/2AY9i
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Re: [RBW] my sort of new to me Hunqapillar

[Brian Hanson]

Velocity Synergy and GB Cypres.   Like butter. 

Mobile Brian Hanson

On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Christian  wrote:

> The Paselas completely transformed the bike.  GB Cypres might be next.  I am 
> imagining having a set of Cypres and maybe BG Rock n Roads to swap back and 
> forth.  The wheels are Velocity Dyad 36 hole with a Phil Wood in the rear and 
> a SON 28 up front.  What's your Hilsen wheel set up?  I'm not gonna do much 
> more to optimize the Hunq for brevets; my Terraferma will be back in service 
> before too long.  
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Christian 
> 
> Charlottesville, VA.
> 
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 2:55:46 AM UTC-4, stonehog wrote:
>> 
>> Nice bike, Christian!  I think my Hunqa would do a brevet, in its current 
>> config, as well.  When I have it outfitted with similar wheels/tires and 
>> bars as my Hilsen, it's a bit stiffer, but a superbly comfortable ride.  
>> Nice to know that it is a proven alternate if the Hilsen has an issue 
>> pre-ride...
>> 
>> Brian
>> Seattle, WA
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Christian  wrote:
>>> So back in the fall I bought a Hunqapillar from someone on the list.  I 
>>> rode it around here and there but nothing more than a few miles at a time.  
>>> For 99% of my riding I used my 650B Terraferma.  The Hunqapillar was great, 
>>> but I bought it to ride around town, eventually to tour again, it was a 
>>> good deal, etc.  
>>> 
>>> But then the drive side chainstay on my beloved Terraferma broke!  The 
>>> Hunqapillar needed to snap to attention.  I swapped over my decaleur and 
>>> Berthoud bag, head light (it came with a SON hub), converted to drivetrain 
>>> from 1 X 8 to 3 X 8 (I'd prefer my compact Herse, but did not want to 
>>> fiddle with it and knew I'd get the Sugino up and running quickly).
>>> 
>>> I then headed out for a ride.  I needed to get the bike in shape for this 
>>> weekend's fleche.  So on Monday I did a mixed terrain century using 
>>> Marathon Duremes (talk about a workout!), ordered some Paselas, and headed 
>>> out Saturday morning for the fleche.  I developed some hip pain--something 
>>> that's crept up before and had been solved, I think, by my low q Herse 
>>> crank--and had to abandon. But not before getting in a 200k.  
>>> 
>>> The Hunqapillar was to be my Hunqafleche but since I did not finish I 
>>> cannot christen it a full rando bike yet.  It performed well, however.  The 
>>> Paselas make it look like a skinny tire bike! Here's a few photos: 
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cwmcmillen/sets/72157633184218583/with/8627620295/
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[RBW] Rivendell phrase game

[Michael Williams]

I was riding home on my commute tonight.  It consists a bit of trails and 
pavement.I couldnt help but think how capable Rivendell bikes are.   
Thought it be a fun game to make up phrases about Riv bikes because Im sure 
there are alot of folks out there who are enamored with their bike(s) as I 
am. I'll start   Rivendell Bikes:   Stunningly Capable-Mike

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell phrase game

[Michael]

>
> Rivendell Bicycles: Anybar, anyheight, anytire, anyfender, anywhere...
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell phrase game

[Joe Bernard]

"It's a Rivvy!" Sorry, that's a riff on "It's a Duesy!", the old tagline 
for Duesenberg automobiles...I couldn't help myself (yes, the phrase "it's 
a doosy" started as a car ad. Now you know).

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 8:36:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote:

> I was riding home on my commute tonight.  It consists a bit of trails and 
> pavement.I couldnt help but think how capable Rivendell bikes are.   
> Thought it be a fun game to make up phrases about Riv bikes because Im sure 
> there are alot of folks out there who are enamored with their bike(s) as I 
> am. I'll start   Rivendell Bikes:   Stunningly Capable-Mike

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Blues..

[hsmitham]

I like em both! Why choose when you have both :-)

Hugh

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 9:03:38 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
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> Sam Blue vs. Bleriot Blue:
>>
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[RBW] WTT: My B17 for your Flyer

[Michael]

Hi everybody,
 
I have a black B17 Standard for trade:
Black, silver rivets, black rails. Bought new last fall, if I remember 
correctly. A few minor cosmetic marks from use. Nothing that's a big deal. 
I will send as many detailed pics as you like. Carefully proofhided upper 
and lower.
Garage kept on the bike. Pretty much a saddle in its infancy.
 
I like to ride with the handlebars high and think a sprung saddle will take 
the edge off the road bumps. I like the B17 shape, so I figure the Flyer 
will work out nicely.
 
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me at : john11.2...@gmail.com
 
Thanks

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[RBW] Re: WTT: My B17 for your Flyer

[Michael]

>
> Moderator: Tried to tag it, but keep getting invalid message.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell phrase game

[René Sterental]

Rivendell bicycles: Granting you the ride of a lifetime!


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 9:09 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> "It's a Rivvy!" Sorry, that's a riff on "It's a Duesy!", the old tagline
> for Duesenberg automobiles...I couldn't help myself (yes, the phrase "it's
> a doosy" started as a car ad. Now you know).
>
> On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 8:36:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote:
>
>> I was riding home on my commute tonight.  It consists a bit of trails and
>> pavement.I couldnt help but think how capable Rivendell bikes are.
>> Thought it be a fun game to make up phrases about Riv bikes because Im sure
>> there are alot of folks out there who are enamored with their bike(s) as I
>> am. I'll start   Rivendell Bikes:   Stunningly Capable-Mike
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell phrase game

[Manuel Acosta]

Rivendell. Enough said. Period.

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 8:36:52 PM UTC-7, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> I was riding home on my commute tonight.  It consists a bit of trails and 
> pavement.I couldnt help but think how capable Rivendell bikes are.   
> Thought it be a fun game to make up phrases about Riv bikes because Im sure 
> there are alot of folks out there who are enamored with their bike(s) as I 
> am. I'll start   Rivendell Bikes:   Stunningly Capable-Mike

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell phrase game

[iamkeith]

My
 
*R*eliable,
*I*nvincible
*V*elocipede
*E*scapes
*N*obody's
*D*etection,
*E*liciting
*L*ustful
*L*onging 
 
everywhere it goes.

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